From India We use lumix G85H it works great , superb but only issue which we face is battery issue Our service goes 3 - 4 hrs What about Canon XA70 ? Video camera
Wow, I wish I had this video couple of years ago. I am leaning toward panasonic G7 but I'm worried about its poor(?) autofocus, so I'm also thinking of slightly more expensive sony zv-e10 or even the PTZ camera. Our church bought a cheap ptz camera from amazon few years ago (~$700), and the quality wasn't good. However, I really do like the convenience of PTZ functionality, since we lack volunteer camera man so the extra cost is like the cost of hiring a cameraman.
What's the HDMI latency for Panasonic cameras? They're all good for me, but I'm worried that the latency will be severe. Will it be okay to use them in IMAG?
What do you suggest for live-streaming Joel? I’m looking for a super easy setup for video and audio but not complicated. Looking for high quality but we don’t have the best internet connection speeds.
Sorry, I'm just now seeing this. I have all kinds of info and recommendations on my site. And, as always, feel free to reach out directly with any questions.
I tried using a Nikon DSLR camera for video input, but the video lagged behind the audio (I had a line coming in from my mixer into the computer). DO these options also have this issue?
All of the Canon CR-N series PTZs have optical image stabilization, including the CR-N100. But I always recommend getting stability in other ways as much as possible. Image stabilization should be an absolute last resort.
Love your videos Brady! Very informative and helpful! Keep them coming, please. I have to admit though that I don't understand your rating system. For example, the Canon CR-N100 you gave an overall 9/10. But not a single one of the individual scores even came close to a 9. The highest individual score was a 6/10 for Manual Control. But there were 2 that you gave 2/10 (dynamic range and low light quality). Could you clarify that please?
Great question! Brady takes those scores directly from my website, and I understand they can seem odd when out of context. I have a detailed explanation of how I choose scores at the bottom of every camera list on my site. In short, each camera is compared against every other camera in every category. So a PTZ is rarely ever going to score as high in terms of image quality or dynamic range to a high level cinema camera like an ARRI ALEXA. If you consider all the cameras across all six current categories on my site (camcorders, mirrorless, studio, cinema, PTZ, and POV), you'll see a pretty good balance of scoring across the board from really low all the way up to 10. But also, just because a camera seems to have many low scores doesn't mean it isn't a great value. PTZs are a bit of an outlier because they trade off a lot of things like image quality and performance for the remote operation capabilities. There is a give and take with all of these camera categories. The Canon CR-N100 isn't going to win many image quality shootouts, and manual control isn't going to compare to more expensive solutions like a Ross Furio or MRMC robotic head. But it's still an incredible value considering the things it offers at such a low price point. I believe the overall scoring system benefits those trying to decide between different styles and types of cameras. If image quality is a priority, you'll want to know what categories fair better than others for that metric. If you're more interested in live features like remote zoom or even full PTZ capability, then you'll need to expect some other metrics like image quality may have to give to get that functionality. Ultimately, it's a way to try and set clear expectations about camera strengths and weaknesses. I hope this helps clear that up a bit! And as always, if you ever have questions I am always happy to help. You can reach out through my site.
Hello Brady, how are you? I'm Hugo from Igreja Cristã Evangélica de Brasília, in the capital of Brazil. We are doing our strategy for live stream for the next 5 years. I realy like your opinion about the Sony ZVE10 (instruments and laterals) and the Sony A6700 (central) to our live stream, because Panasonic is not so popular in Brazil, and Sony is growing up every day, what is better for buy, sell and technical assistance. Another point is that we have a Sony A7III for photos, so we can use the same mount for live, photos and videos. We don't need to record and stream at the same time with this cameras. What do you think about it? Are this cameras capable to work for long years? Thanks and God bless you
I do not recommend the Sony Alpha cameras under $2,000 USD for live streaming or long-form video recording. They overheat way too easily and they have proven to be quite unreliable for many churches that have tried using them for live streaming services.
Im looking to upgrade my modest live streaming set up to a PTZ but the whole IP control and network set up is a bit over whelming. Is it possible to get the Canon CR N100 set up to use HDMI into a laptop via capture card and control it there too?
Yes, there are many different solutions, all with various pros and cons. First, I would caution against using a laptop for streaming. If you really know what you're doing, then you can disregard the rest of this paragraph. However, if you don't know the difference between CBR and VBR, bits and bytes, and whether you're using hardware-accelerated encoding or not, then it's very easy to get in over your head and wind up frustrated. Ultimately, I don't recommend live streaming from computers for a vast majority of situations. I see way more problems with computers and software encoding than I do hardware solutions - and hardware solutions can often be cheaper in comparison to computer systems with comparable performance. You'll still need a way to control the PTZ functions. You can't control it from a computer over HDMI. It will need a network connection, serial communication connection, or a connected hardware controller. If you're just streaming a single PTZ, keep in mind that the CR-N100 has built-in streaming via RTMP or SRT. So you can stream directly from the camera without having to deal with a capture card and encoding on a laptop. You may also want to look into using the Canon Webcam Driver with the CR-N100. It gives you video and control over a single network connection.
We have a Sony A6600 for one of our Livestream Cameras, and we love it; we are looking to replace our Sony RF something camcorder that sits higher up for a widescreen view. The problem with the A6600 is you can't charge while using it (at least, I don't think you can). So, putting another A6600 (I have another one) up there would mean I would need to get a ladder each week to cycle the camera off and on. Will the Panasonic charge while in use? Also, is it easy to match the color between the Panasonic and Sony? That is the other major issue with the RF camcorder. I am writing this before I hear about the PTZ option, as that may be the way we want to go.
There are definitely NP-FZ100 dummy battery adapters that can use an AC adapter to power the Sony Alpha 6600 continuously. However, a mirrorless camera is probably not going to be a great fit if you will have to get a ladder every time it needs to be powered on/off. I wouldn't recommend leaving the camera powered on long-term either, so if it were me I would look for alternative solutions.
@@LutheranChurch I think a PTZ is probably a better fit for this situation. However, if you just want a static wide shot and don't need remote pan/tilt capability then the Blackmagic Micro Studio Camera 4K G2 may also be a good fit and will be slightly cheaper. It will automatically turn itself back on if it loses power while the camera is on. So if you can find a way to switch or plug/unplug power from a more accessible location then that would also work well.
The Sony ZV series is highly prone to overheating when recording for longer durations. I have even seen multiple instances of heat issues when the ZV cameras are just outputting HDMI and not recording internally. This is one reason why I tend to not recommend Sony for live streaming and long recording until you start spending more money for the Alpha series.
I always recommend pairing PTZs with the manufacturer's controller if there is one. For the Canon CR-N100 that would be the Canon RC-IP100 or RC-IP1000. Both are excellent choices.
@@fyfmedia No, not really. Low light performance depends more on the lens and sensor than it does on the processed information. Fundamentally, a full frame camera that has photosites roughly 4 times the size of a Micro Four Thirds camera will have much better performance in lower light situations. Also, this entire list is based on live streaming performance. So being able to minimize/reduce noise in DaVinci Resolve is basically not a consideration.
My budget for Multi Media is only $500.00 a year. I can't touch any of those options. I love the videos but small community churches just do not have the budget that you are talking about. We have a congregation of about 40 people with an average age of 75. Most of fixed income, so funds are very limited. I thank you for your advice and will keep watching.
I think the reality is, there’s not really an option for a usable camera setup below what’s on this vid. Even at that $500 budget, you’re probably better off just not live-streaming and using your phone for social…
@@scooch26 I agree with this. Use your phone if you want to add video to your ministry. I recently purchased an android phone for my kids for $30 and it has a camera that works just fine.
@@warrenroberts1912 I could of course providing I had that much laying around. I doubt most people can drop a thousand on something for someone else, other than a family gift. I sure don't have extra money to buy it.
@@scooch26 We do have a camcorder, Cannon xm11 or something like that. It does ok but when you zoom all the way in it starts to have issues. It is only a 20X zoom, we need a 30X.
I talk about this specifically at the bottom of every camera list on my site. The ratings are in comparison to ALL other cameras, not just the cameras in that specific category. The G7 gets great ratings when compared to just mirrorless cameras, especially at such a low price point. But the G7 can't compare to the performance of a cinema camera or studio camera at significantly higher price points and with many more features.
The only way to get unlimited recording with the Panasonic G7 is to use the AVCHD format instead of MP4. I used to own three Panasonic G7s and I recorded many events upwards of 2 hours with no issues using that format, so I can confirm from direct experience that it is possible. However, I've also seen a "workaround" here on UA-cam to unlock the 4K recording limit (link to video below). I cannot vouch for the success or reliability of that method, so it's best to approach any hacks or workarounds like that with caution. ua-cam.com/video/RUYxZmRt0KU/v-deo.html
We bought a G7 and the hdmi won’t work through an sdi box. If you output to a monitor or tv it works fine. But we get nothing but a black screen when outputting to a black magic so converter. Anyone else experience this?
haven't experienced this with my lumix cameras. I suggest playing around with different output settings. I think the g7 can do 1080p and 1080i (interlaced) at different framerates. Just experiment and find out what works and what doesnt. Also try putting something else through the converter to make sure that its functioning properly as well.
working with panasonic, I've had to change the hdmi rec output option to be compatible with the intended output... I know on GH5 it's in the settings menu... G7 is similar menu setup so it should be there as well. I looked up the manual, it looks like it's under the TV connection... Set the output resolution until the image pops up... Then make sure you turn OFF the info display option.
Very common with consumer cameras like the G7. I always recommend using a scaler/cross converter when converting video signals from computers or consumer devices. I used to use three G7s and three G85s for years for multicam shoots and would always use a Decimator MD-HX when going to SDI.
It would be cool if we got to see some sample footage of each camera to the best of its capabilities.
I agree! If only I had the time... 😫 One day, hopefully.
From India
We use lumix G85H it works great , superb but only issue which we face is battery issue
Our service goes 3 - 4 hrs
What about Canon XA70 ? Video camera
Thanks. I seem to be stuck to BYOD phase as powers to be don’t see need for proper cameras nor tech.
Wow, I wish I had this video couple of years ago. I am leaning toward panasonic G7 but I'm worried about its poor(?) autofocus, so I'm also thinking of slightly more expensive sony zv-e10 or even the PTZ camera. Our church bought a cheap ptz camera from amazon few years ago (~$700), and the quality wasn't good. However, I really do like the convenience of PTZ functionality, since we lack volunteer camera man so the extra cost is like the cost of hiring a cameraman.
What's the HDMI latency for Panasonic cameras? They're all good for me, but I'm worried that the latency will be severe. Will it be okay to use them in IMAG?
What do you suggest for live-streaming Joel? I’m looking for a super easy setup for video and audio but not complicated. Looking for high quality but we don’t have the best internet connection speeds.
Sorry, I'm just now seeing this. I have all kinds of info and recommendations on my site. And, as always, feel free to reach out directly with any questions.
I tried using a Nikon DSLR camera for video input, but the video lagged behind the audio (I had a line coming in from my mixer into the computer). DO these options also have this issue?
I believe the crn100 does not have image stabilization. Can you verify? That’s a huge issue if mounted near foot traffic
All of the Canon CR-N series PTZs have optical image stabilization, including the CR-N100. But I always recommend getting stability in other ways as much as possible. Image stabilization should be an absolute last resort.
Love your videos Brady! Very informative and helpful! Keep them coming, please. I have to admit though that I don't understand your rating system. For example, the Canon CR-N100 you gave an overall 9/10. But not a single one of the individual scores even came close to a 9. The highest individual score was a 6/10 for Manual Control. But there were 2 that you gave 2/10 (dynamic range and low light quality). Could you clarify that please?
Great question!
Brady takes those scores directly from my website, and I understand they can seem odd when out of context. I have a detailed explanation of how I choose scores at the bottom of every camera list on my site. In short, each camera is compared against every other camera in every category. So a PTZ is rarely ever going to score as high in terms of image quality or dynamic range to a high level cinema camera like an ARRI ALEXA. If you consider all the cameras across all six current categories on my site (camcorders, mirrorless, studio, cinema, PTZ, and POV), you'll see a pretty good balance of scoring across the board from really low all the way up to 10.
But also, just because a camera seems to have many low scores doesn't mean it isn't a great value. PTZs are a bit of an outlier because they trade off a lot of things like image quality and performance for the remote operation capabilities. There is a give and take with all of these camera categories. The Canon CR-N100 isn't going to win many image quality shootouts, and manual control isn't going to compare to more expensive solutions like a Ross Furio or MRMC robotic head. But it's still an incredible value considering the things it offers at such a low price point.
I believe the overall scoring system benefits those trying to decide between different styles and types of cameras. If image quality is a priority, you'll want to know what categories fair better than others for that metric. If you're more interested in live features like remote zoom or even full PTZ capability, then you'll need to expect some other metrics like image quality may have to give to get that functionality. Ultimately, it's a way to try and set clear expectations about camera strengths and weaknesses.
I hope this helps clear that up a bit! And as always, if you ever have questions I am always happy to help. You can reach out through my site.
@@joelwsmith thanks so much for the thorough explanation! That helps clear up the misunderstanding.
@@lhcc My pleasure! Always feel free to reach out if you have any questions or feedback.
Hello Brady, how are you? I'm Hugo from Igreja Cristã Evangélica de Brasília, in the capital of Brazil. We are doing our strategy for live stream for the next 5 years.
I realy like your opinion about the Sony ZVE10 (instruments and laterals) and the Sony A6700 (central) to our live stream, because Panasonic is not so popular in Brazil, and Sony is growing up every day, what is better for buy, sell and technical assistance. Another point is that we have a Sony A7III for photos, so we can use the same mount for live, photos and videos. We don't need to record and stream at the same time with this cameras.
What do you think about it? Are this cameras capable to work for long years?
Thanks and God bless you
I do not recommend the Sony Alpha cameras under $2,000 USD for live streaming or long-form video recording. They overheat way too easily and they have proven to be quite unreliable for many churches that have tried using them for live streaming services.
Im looking to upgrade my modest live streaming set up to a PTZ but the whole IP control and network set up is a bit over whelming. Is it possible to get the Canon CR N100 set up to use HDMI into a laptop via capture card and control it there too?
Yes, there are many different solutions, all with various pros and cons.
First, I would caution against using a laptop for streaming. If you really know what you're doing, then you can disregard the rest of this paragraph. However, if you don't know the difference between CBR and VBR, bits and bytes, and whether you're using hardware-accelerated encoding or not, then it's very easy to get in over your head and wind up frustrated. Ultimately, I don't recommend live streaming from computers for a vast majority of situations. I see way more problems with computers and software encoding than I do hardware solutions - and hardware solutions can often be cheaper in comparison to computer systems with comparable performance.
You'll still need a way to control the PTZ functions. You can't control it from a computer over HDMI. It will need a network connection, serial communication connection, or a connected hardware controller.
If you're just streaming a single PTZ, keep in mind that the CR-N100 has built-in streaming via RTMP or SRT. So you can stream directly from the camera without having to deal with a capture card and encoding on a laptop.
You may also want to look into using the Canon Webcam Driver with the CR-N100. It gives you video and control over a single network connection.
We have a Sony A6600 for one of our Livestream Cameras, and we love it; we are looking to replace our Sony RF something camcorder that sits higher up for a widescreen view. The problem with the A6600 is you can't charge while using it (at least, I don't think you can). So, putting another A6600 (I have another one) up there would mean I would need to get a ladder each week to cycle the camera off and on. Will the Panasonic charge while in use? Also, is it easy to match the color between the Panasonic and Sony? That is the other major issue with the RF camcorder. I am writing this before I hear about the PTZ option, as that may be the way we want to go.
Cant you use a dummy battery adaptor and just power with with wall power, or a portable battery?
@@sebastienbadio9208 That is a good question, not sure. I will have to investigate that.
There are definitely NP-FZ100 dummy battery adapters that can use an AC adapter to power the Sony Alpha 6600 continuously. However, a mirrorless camera is probably not going to be a great fit if you will have to get a ladder every time it needs to be powered on/off. I wouldn't recommend leaving the camera powered on long-term either, so if it were me I would look for alternative solutions.
@@joelwsmith that is one of the reasons we were thinking of going the PTZ route.
@@LutheranChurch I think a PTZ is probably a better fit for this situation. However, if you just want a static wide shot and don't need remote pan/tilt capability then the Blackmagic Micro Studio Camera 4K G2 may also be a good fit and will be slightly cheaper. It will automatically turn itself back on if it loses power while the camera is on. So if you can find a way to switch or plug/unplug power from a more accessible location then that would also work well.
Love your videos. Keep it up!
How would you compare it to the Sony ZV-e10?
The Sony ZV series is highly prone to overheating when recording for longer durations. I have even seen multiple instances of heat issues when the ZV cameras are just outputting HDMI and not recording internally. This is one reason why I tend to not recommend Sony for live streaming and long recording until you start spending more money for the Alpha series.
What control system would you suggest for the PTZ cameras?
I always recommend pairing PTZs with the manufacturer's controller if there is one. For the Canon CR-N100 that would be the Canon RC-IP100 or RC-IP1000. Both are excellent choices.
Is sony a7 III better than the panasonic GH6 because of the low light performance?
If you are only comparing low light performance, yes.
@@joelwsmithbut the gh6 let's HDMI in a raw format doesn't it? Would you say that you could make up for that in resolve?
@@fyfmedia No, not really. Low light performance depends more on the lens and sensor than it does on the processed information. Fundamentally, a full frame camera that has photosites roughly 4 times the size of a Micro Four Thirds camera will have much better performance in lower light situations.
Also, this entire list is based on live streaming performance. So being able to minimize/reduce noise in DaVinci Resolve is basically not a consideration.
Hello, searching for a budget camcorder or similar with hdmi output at least 2k? who can help?
My budget for Multi Media is only $500.00 a year. I can't touch any of those options. I love the videos but small community churches just do not have the budget that you are talking about. We have a congregation of about 40 people with an average age of 75. Most of fixed income, so funds are very limited. I thank you for your advice and will keep watching.
Could you purchase with your own money?
I think the reality is, there’s not really an option for a usable camera setup below what’s on this vid.
Even at that $500 budget, you’re probably better off just not live-streaming and using your phone for social…
@@scooch26 I agree with this. Use your phone if you want to add video to your ministry. I recently purchased an android phone for my kids for $30 and it has a camera that works just fine.
@@warrenroberts1912 I could of course providing I had that much laying around. I doubt most people can drop a thousand on something for someone else, other than a family gift. I sure don't have extra money to buy it.
@@scooch26 We do have a camcorder, Cannon xm11 or something like that. It does ok but when you zoom all the way in it starts to have issues. It is only a 20X zoom, we need a 30X.
If the G7 is so good, why are all the grades subpar?
I talk about this specifically at the bottom of every camera list on my site. The ratings are in comparison to ALL other cameras, not just the cameras in that specific category. The G7 gets great ratings when compared to just mirrorless cameras, especially at such a low price point. But the G7 can't compare to the performance of a cinema camera or studio camera at significantly higher price points and with many more features.
Why not the Canon M50?
Cannon m50 is not very nice . Had to give mine away and switched to Sony Fx
Because the M50 is six years old and the entire Canon EOS-M system was discontinued last year...
My G7 stops recording after about 23 minutes at 1080p
The only way to get unlimited recording with the Panasonic G7 is to use the AVCHD format instead of MP4. I used to own three Panasonic G7s and I recorded many events upwards of 2 hours with no issues using that format, so I can confirm from direct experience that it is possible.
However, I've also seen a "workaround" here on UA-cam to unlock the 4K recording limit (link to video below). I cannot vouch for the success or reliability of that method, so it's best to approach any hacks or workarounds like that with caution.
ua-cam.com/video/RUYxZmRt0KU/v-deo.html
We bought a G7 and the hdmi won’t work through an sdi box. If you output to a monitor or tv it works fine. But we get nothing but a black screen when outputting to a black magic so converter.
Anyone else experience this?
haven't experienced this with my lumix cameras. I suggest playing around with different output settings. I think the g7 can do 1080p and 1080i (interlaced) at different framerates. Just experiment and find out what works and what doesnt. Also try putting something else through the converter to make sure that its functioning properly as well.
working with panasonic, I've had to change the hdmi rec output option to be compatible with the intended output... I know on GH5 it's in the settings menu... G7 is similar menu setup so it should be there as well. I looked up the manual, it looks like it's under the TV connection... Set the output resolution until the image pops up... Then make sure you turn OFF the info display option.
Very common with consumer cameras like the G7. I always recommend using a scaler/cross converter when converting video signals from computers or consumer devices. I used to use three G7s and three G85s for years for multicam shoots and would always use a Decimator MD-HX when going to SDI.
Budget! $2000 😂😂😂