Uberti Schofield & Black Powder?
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- Опубліковано 9 кві 2022
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In this video I discuss the Uberti Schofield reproduction and discuss whether or not modern reproductions are capable of being used with real black powder.
Apparently this video is more about the sunglasses than the gun, you can find them here:
www.historiceyewearcompany.com/
Apparently this video is more about the sunglasses than the gun, you can find them here:
www.historiceyewearcompany.com/
I was just about to comment on how awesome those sunglasses are!
damn, looks like I need new glasses
What about the shirt!? Wanted one since the Apache video!
When they inventively make a Matrix squeal that takes place in the wild west, Karl is ready!
To be fair and honest they are some nice frames.
Every time you put up one of these "by history nerds for history nerds" videos, I get so proud that I'm a patron. Thank you Karl, and please don't ever stop being you ❤
Same here. And what a nice looking pistol I want one.
Me three.
Wish we had more budget friendly modern top break revolvers. They're just so damn cool.
They are very cool but not very cost effective to make a good one
We used to, but they are considered Saturday night specials. And in the case of the mp412 rex, bill “Lewinsky lovin” Clinton happened. This is also why no USA KS23.
I wont lie I would buy one for no other reason than i found the break action revolver super cool. because i watched outlaw star and trigun as a kid.
@@baker90338 After becoming a massive fan of the fascinating Schofield I learned about the MP412 REX; I'm still crying to this day that we will never get the REX.
@@vogelfreiinderwuste4770 I’m pissed because he’s also the prick behind the AWB, but then again, bush senior did the sporting purpose clause, aka the “lol no scary gun imports” rule that gave us the famous Russian saiga and its unique sporterized stylings.
I enjoy your videos because they offer a wide variety of well researched information presented well. I am a patron because I believe that the 2nd Amendment will be kept alive by people of diverse backgrounds and interests being introduced to firearms for various reasons and then becoming politically aware and active in fighting for their rights. You and your content bring those type of people into the fold. Keep up the good work.
Thank you very much for your kind words, your support and for being here!
I found the whole video educational and interesting, but also had a juvenile LOL at the line "Be careful what you're doing with your loads." 😁
and who you give them to...
Don't forget about experimenting with lube.
@@RaptorJesus always essential. Especially once one is over 40.
So sez the guy whose job occupation is "Breaking into buildings to test their security set-up"!
Yes, please feature this revolver more. There are videos of it here and there on YT but not enough in my opinion, I can find plenty of information on the Peacemaker though. I bought the 7.5" Schofield from Uberti chambered in .45 LC because the No.3 ended up being my favorite sidearm in Battlefield 1. It is very accurate in real life and the trigger throw on it is superb with a nice crisp break in my opinion. Things I would be interested in would be the average velocity of .45 LC if you could put it through a chronograph and its viability as a brush gun when deer hunting.
45 colt, 44 spl, and 44-40 are totally viable as medium game cartridges with 230-250 grain semi wadcutter or flatnose lead slugs at around 1000 fps. Excellent penetration, good bleed holes, and manageable recoil.
Have you got an older Smith to compare the trigger to? The biggest thing I worry about with these things is dropping all of that money on one and still wanting to rip it apart to try to clean up the action.
I still want a Model 3 of any kind and a SAA of any kind some day. I'll settle for my H&R 999 for now.
@@xb0xisbetter Sorry I don't have an older S&W. I have several 1911's and compared to my Glocks I would put the trigger break of the No.3 on par, if not as good as the 1911. While fundamentally different designs I was always on the hunt for a pistol that had the trigger break to match my 1911. On a side note though that cross bar they added for safety can get in the way sometimes and cause it to bind but that has only happened to me after putting multiple cylinders of Cowboy loads through it. I understand that can make a break a pistol for some but being able to own a 'New' piece of history makes up for it in my mind. I have no issue with any other functionality of the gun. On a side note as well and totally unrelated to the trigger, I found that you can fit 5 rounds on the 91/30 Mosin stripper, its like a cheap mans quick reload just drop the round in the cylinder and pull it off the clip.
@@RG1001 Interesting insights, thank you.
Even 1911 triggers can vary a lot though. Like I did a trigger job to the factor parts of my stupid Taurus PT1911 and I swear it is still worse than even factory triggers from other companies. Ironically, my Charles Daly turned out extremely light and crisp but I did put a different trigger altogether in that. My Metro Arms American Classic II's factory trigger was better than the PT1911 after a trigger job, and my Colt Combat Elite's is nice enough stock that I'm not going to bother.
I have some older Smith Model 66s, with the pinned barrel and recessed cylinder and I literally don't feel anything pulling that trigger with the hammer back.
I suppose they may not make .45 LC speed loader that fits the cylinder? Mosin strippers are an interesting idea.
Fantastic content. You set out to prove something, successfully did so, and then Modified the experiment.
TRUE
Awesome! The Schofield/Model 3 is my favourite revolver from the Old West. The break-open cylinder is a big advantage when reloading.
It also shows that coltists´ black propaganda about "inherent weakness" of top-breakers is just sh*t!
@@morriganmhor5078 Granted
Before industrial steel as we know it
It was iffier
But nowadays
Yeah you can beef it up enough for sure
Lord, just give me a modern top break in something like .38 so I don't have to sell my arm to buy one
@@morriganmhor5078 it's true though, it's an inherently weaker design
@@hyenaloaf1858 To your comment I could say only this: in the time of construction, the black powder .45 LC did have about 600 J muzzle energy, .45 Schofield 380-445 J and .455 Webley 287-490 J. It doesn´t look as much different.
With the way you were dressed Karl, I could see you fitting right into Hunt:Showdown as a legendary hunter :)
Hunt:Showdown referenced in the first comment. It's going to be a good day. ;)
I'm waiting to load into a match watching this haha
hmmm, hmm hmm hmmmmm
Nothings better than good ol hunt spamdown
Exactly what I was thinking
Always love when you present historical guns. Its clear to see you have alot of fun presenting them and are quite passionate about the topic as well.
Great video! Really shows what a big thing fouling was and the ways they had to take it into account. Also the little cleaning midway through reminds me of how sometimes you used spit to remedy some of the fouling when you were shooting BP lever guns!
I love your enthusiasm for this era. It's nice being able to watch cowboy gear, without fuddlore, from someone who honestly enjoys and is knowledgeable about black powder.
Excellent video! I bought my Uberti schofield in .45LC last November and absolutely love it. Glad to know that we can run bp alternatives in them!
Blackhorn, yes. 777 and Pyrodex also seized.
Thanks for the great content, looking forward to more great historical content. Always loved the Schofield.
More to come!
I have done extensive blackpowder testing with my uberti schofield. I have gotten the best results using olde eynsford powder, it burns cleaner like the original blackpowder of the day. Coupled with an original style BP bullet like the Nei 454230 or lyman 454190, lube is home made 50/50 beeswax, crisco (no salt) in a Schofield case. This would average me around 775fps with good accuracy.
Regular Goex would bind after about 12-15 rounds where the olde eynsford would go 50 rounds before binding. A significant improvement, making range sessions much more enjoyable. This worked in my gun that has a fairly generous cylinder gap.
Just an FYi for those wanting to stay with the Holy Black.
Karl I LOVE this stuff! Some years ago my cousin brought one of these home, a beautiful firearm, I've enjoyed seeing them ever since. Thanks for this video, BP shooting is always a pleasure.
One of these has been on the list for quite some time, but I've kept my buying focus on stuff that would be included in a future AWB (if it ends up happening). Just snagged a Century AP5 for this reason
God, I love old-school wheel guns, though.
Keep up the great work, Karl
Great to see content on the Schofield. Always wanted one so glad to see the Uberti still makes replica that can be a good option. Have to admit, that as interesting as blackpowder is, that I will likely will stick with smokeless.
Thanks Karl, I’ve always had a special place in my heart for the schofield, very cool to see such a nice reproduction
Glad you enjoyed it!
I have a theory that Schofield had army supply connections so they plotted togther with S&W. Intending to design that short knowing it would run out from being used out in colts too . The problem would force the army to drop the colts to standard Schofield shorts enabling the suppliers to corner the ammunition contract as well. Turns out the army kept the colt and dumped the Schofield instead. Big oops.
I figure if that was the plan, S&W would have designed a round that actually fit the Colt.
The .45 Schofield round was not a perfect replacement for .45 Colt because of the rim. A soldier loading their Colt SAA with .45 Schofield could only load three rounds, one for every other chamber, because the wide rims interfered with each other.
The M1887 Ball cartridge is the length of .45 Schofield but with a narrower rim than the original .45 Schofield, just so you could fully load a Colt SAA with the rounds.
I have been considering picking up one of these. This video gave me some food for thought. As always, love your work!
Awesome! Thank you!
I absolutely love these videos covering older blackpowder guns!
Great video with a really unique topic. Love it.
not something I was even remotely aware of, but little bits of detail like this are worth so much when it comes to gun design in that era. Thanks for that bit of info Karl.
Hey Karl, people in black powder groups did lol kinds of ‘testing’ with these and black powder. If you use shorter 45 schofield and especially 45 cowboy special, and grease up the ‘arbor’ you can get almost 50 shots through before the gun locks up from the fouling. Mine will only get maybe 1-2 cylinders with 45 colt, about 30-35 with 45 schofield and 40-50 with the cowboy special. The shorter brass, less powder and grease seem to be the ‘solution’. Great video!
Good point. I've found that to be true to the point that nearly all my .45 BP shooting is with Schofield cases. I always check to see if the cylinder will turn freely after shooting a cylinder-full. If not, it's easily removed, cleaned, and regreased. I'm still playing around on the best grease to use. Very few modern revolvers would handle BP well and the new Schofield is no different.
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Im really looking forward to seeing more of this pistol. The Schofield is my favorite pistol design of all time.
elegant piece, karl.
good presentation as usual.
thanks from france.
That is an awesome camera angle! Watching the fouling drop out of the barrel at 10.23 gives a really good visualization. Sweet video and awesome comparison, I really thought the blackpowder was going to function fine.
I used "Big Lube" bullets and that helped a lot. Also there's fouling build up in the frame because the frame is not scalloped around the barrel trapping fouling in the frame and causing the cilinder to bind...
Neat video! I've wanted one of these Schofield pistols for quite a while. Thanks for the info!
I appreciate the history along with practical information. Cool specs BTW!
I have the 7 inch nickel Schofield and a few years ago, I tried loading it with 45 colt cartridges with pyrodex. It did the exact same thing that the black powder did with yours. It was jamming up by the second cylinder and couldn't fire the third without cleaning. Being as it is the nickel Schofield, it made it super easy to find every tiny bit of fouling to clean. Took a good hour to clean it up completely. I'll have to get some of that black horn, it seems like it would work a lot better.
Love this revolver and loved the video! Great information for owners or potential buyer!
Very nice! You are quick on the single action one handed ops!!
Great video, glad to see how well it worked with the 209...
What I enjoy the most is the fast smooth single action operation. Between practice and the combo grip / hammer hook it feels as fast as double action
I have a Stoeger Schofield in 45 LC. I purchased it over 30 years ago and I have never fired it. I have many other firearms and have never gotten around to firing it. It has no transfer bar and like yours have the correct hammer.
But, I might just do that now after seeing your presentation.
Ricky from IBM, Ret
Now that's an edc gun if I ever saw one! Seriously though, great video Karl! I love the historical testing. Keep it up!
When using Pyrodex I found it needs cleaning with black powder protocol first then cleaning again with modern nitro solvent right after. Never had a problem with the "etching" other people complained about from Pyrodex.
Cool to watch
Loved the tight editing
Great content! I love the Schofield revolver! Keep it up!
thanks for the Info Karl, I have been waiting for uberti to make a decent Schofield! I am so hype!
I load my own black powder 45 Colt cartridges and I can't fire more then 3 cylinders in my Pietta new model Army conversion, but I started loading my 45 Colt cartridges with bh209 black powder substitute and I don't have a problem with fauling anymore. I have shot 7 cylinders and no binding of the cylinder or action, and clean up is a lot easier too with the bh209.. now the bh209 is a little hotter than black powder so you don't want to load the same as black powder, bh209 cartridge loading chart says to weigh 23 grains of powder for 45 Colt.
Thanks for a great video. Love the revolver.
I imagine this will eventually lead to to a duel between black powder revolvers against the spinner. Great content, as always.
One of my all time favorite guns. Can’t wait to see more.
Cool gun, cool video. Thanks for the info on the Blackhorn 209.
Very interesting. Enjoyed the article.
I needed a dose of science this morning. Thanks, Karl!
For The Science! Great vid Brother....love your black powder series
I love the Old West content!!! I hope more vignettes and black powder pistols and rifles videos are in the works!!!
great content - I love those top break revolvers. with the black powder, it seemed like it was fine through the first 6 shots, but immediately started binding upon reloading. i wonder if inserting the new cartridges forces fouling from the cylinder into the cone. a way to test it would be to shoot six in 45 Colt, and then reload in 45 Schofield....for science?
Karl, your revolver's frame seems to be broken and your ejector rod is missing take care
Oh no!
I own a couple newer Uberti reproductions and I'm very impressed. I haven't shot my colt reproductions but I have shot my New Army extensively. After more than 500 rounds and multiple outings, I have had zero issues with it. I thoroughly clean my blackpowder equipment so I have had zero rust issues. I am very impressed... especially considering I purchased my Uberti New Army for 199.00 with free shipping.
A gunsmith told me a long time ago that S&W speedloaders WILL work on a Scholfield! Hopefully a poster here can try some out & post.
Good show, Karl!
Always fun seeing Kowboy Karl in action.
The should have lengthened the frame and just kept the gas seal.
Very interesting. I've been curious about black powder and you gave me a few things to think about.
Great info as always.
I just found your channel. Nice video! Thanks! Subscribed!
Great video! What a lovely revolver! I really like the Schofield! It just look like it's a weapon that means business! And definatley one of the coolest looking revolvers to see service during the First World War.
Great content as always. I'd love to see yinz do a Hunt Showdown series.
While I'm not a black powder shooter, I totally concur about your assessment of the Cimarron/Uberti Schofield. I have the standard length barrel model, and it is not only a fun shooter, it is absolutely beautiful to behold. As a long time owner of a Webley Mk. VI I was always touting that as my favorite revolver. Now I'm not so sure. The top break makes so much sense for a combat revolver.
Great video Karl!
Would Colt cap and ball style circle grooves on the cylinder pin fix this?
There's no such thing as "wasted ammo" on InRangeTV.
Those are some epic spectacles Karl, very Doc Holliday-esque
Very interesting video. Thank you.
I have an Uberti Colt Navy that I inherited from my father. I've been shooting with it for years. I absolute;y love it.
I have a Uberti Navy also. That is a fun revolver to shoot.
Very interesting, thanks for sharing.
That "oh yeah!" After shooting the 209 was smile invoking! 😃 Thanks Karl!
Always loved the look of the Scofield thanks for posting
Man, your glasses are incredible and awsome
Karl, I have Uberti New Model #3 and I have never shot BP through it because of the gas ring issue. I'm glad you proved it correct. I just bought some Pyrodex, maybe I'll try a few rounds of it to see how it does.
It won’t work. Specifically Blackhorn.
Awesome thanks for making this video
I have loooooong wanted a Schofield but they have always been just too expensive for me.
Imma get ma a dirty uberti
Oh man, gonna have have to get one of these. Don't get me wrong, the SAA is my favorite gun of all time, but the Schofield is such a cool gun and deserves to not be so totally overshadowed by the Colt in that "iconic western revolver" space. Great that's it's in .45 LC, that makes the prospect of actually shooting it a lot way more viable.
Thanks for the great video. The Schofield is a cool old pistol with an interesting history.
your outfit is perfect. i just started fangirling about this gun becasue we started playing hunt showdown and its sights are fitting my tastes very well
PS: my favorite gun from battlefield was the MP412 Rex - this kinda explains it
these shades go really well with the hat.
Great video. Thanks
I thank you history nerds. Keep- it coming
Dude, those glasses are RADICAL!
The Scofield is one of my favorite guns.
I had never heard of Blackhorn 209 before today. Thanks!
Love that barrel length.
Black powder fouling endurance tests for historic firearms would be an awesome series along a similar vein as the mud tests.
You looked wicked cool shooting that gun in that period attire!
Always loved this revolver design - simple and effective
Thank you for this information
Awesome video Karl, do you think it would it be possible to modify the arbor to accept an O-ring or gasket of some form if the removal of the gas ring is the problem? It would not be visible when the gun is assembled so it shouldn't be a big deal from a historicity perspective and should allow the gun to run with any powder. I have one of these Uberti reproductions and it is one of my favorite revolvers but I have not loaded black powder cartridges for it yet.
Pretty quick on the gun there....good job
It’s funny that this should appear right now. I’m working on a character for a TTRPG (GURPS for anyone who cares) who uses a very custom S&W number 3 chambered for .44-40 in addition to some other kit. Nice to see something on this :)
Look up the 1st model Double Action Frontier. It is in .44/40 and first appeared around 1882, I believe. It is considered a variant of the number 3. I own one that was made in 1889 that has tight action. Nice crisp single action let off but the double action is a stiff trigger pull.
Stupid S&W bean counters back in the day making that great gun in 45 Schofield instead of 45 Colt
Think it was marketing, forced the army to buy ammo from them and maybe get the army to drop Colt
@@demonprinces17 They dropped the 45 and basically stole the whole market for both the SW and Colt, so it worked.
Looking at the difference in ejection in this video I think S&W went with the shorter length cartridge to get the empties to drop free more easily with the stroke they were able to design into the ejector mechanism.
I thought part of it was not wanting to use a Colt cartridge in a S&W made handgun
@@christophernemeth421 - I've read it was about S&W wanting to sell ammo. Like the idea of a inkjet printer where the money is made on the ink not the printer.
This man went to a desert just to compliment the gun. Beautiful
Between this and the musket spinner challenge, I would love to see some cowboy action spinner challenge, both metallic cartridge and cap and ball.
Karl, you seem like the right pearson to ask black powder related questions. Do you know if someone makes undersized minié-style bullets (or in ideal case bullet molds) for .36 caliber muzzleloader? The smallest ones I found were .45.
Beautiful revolver, certified classic. And Karl rocking such a stylish outfit. The glasses are awesome.
Interesting finding. Is it just me or Blackhorn spits some unburned powder? 9:53
Regardless, would love to see more Schofield in the field. :)
Revolvers with a desert background plus good information. What is better on a lazy Sunday afternoon
The early Schofield imports that had issues were manufactured by Armi San Marco and imported by Navy arms and Cimarron from what I can recall. They can be easily identified by the schofield 1st model release. I believe the Ubertis were good to go for the most part from the beginning. There is a hammer safety inside a lot of the Ubertis also. The trigger is much better with it "not there".
So unrelated to the black powder experiment, and taken the chance that I am repeating my self to you.
I have discovered that S&W .45 colt speedloaders fit a functions perfectly on your uberti.