As someone who was taught latin in school for 7 years and then for another 5 years at university (with a degree) im so excited for this series. Im already amazed by your flawless pronounciation of the example phrases, it happens so often that spoken latin is accentuated by the speakers native language. And all those excellent points you made for studying this language. Let me add one more: Latin had such a big part in forming the western history, it deserves to be preserved!
@@edwardj3070 no its still being taught. I mean it was like 13 years ago and my highschool latin teacher has since retired, but it was a pretty popular course and I just couldnt imagine them getting rid of it completely.
@@edwardj3070 ah I thought you meant just public schools in general. I mean they got rid of all ap science courses at my school shortly after I left, who knows what else they'd deem unnecessary.
I took two years of Latin (and ancient Greek) in college. It is indeed amazing how much of these words survive in current languages. Words like 'paraphrase' and 'perimeter' can completely be understood by knowing ancient Greek.
I've become a bit of a Catholicism and Orthodoxy weeb, and much like actual weebs who learn Japanese from anime, I've found myself able to decipher the Greek characters and pronounce Greek, even know some words; then from my knowledge of Spanish, Portuguese, and even from English (and all the Romance languages I've tried), Latin Mass lets me kind of figure out Latin. I was kind of dumbfounded in Mass upon recognizing, finally, what "nobis" must mean - it is nosotros, nos, nous, nois, or as we know it, "we".
I started learning Latin once. But whenever I would practice, everyone around me started to freak out, acting like they saw a ghost, or like they thought I was demon-possessed or something. So I stopped.
My experience in understanding grammar is similar, yet very different. I took German, and it helped me understand what they were trying to teach me in English classes. It also helped me understand and appreciate the aspects of Old English that remain in the language.
I haven’t watched Professor Dave in a while but I just found your Latin playlist. As a linguistics nerd whose favorite language is Latin, I am ecstatic.
Indeed, in my renewal of Latin, this little playlist will be important. Thanks, Dave! Ecce in renovatione latinae hae lectiones magni momenti erunt. Gratias tibi, Dave.
Thanks for that. I wanted to learn latin for the heck of it, but now I want for the way how logical it sounds. Also, Latin should be broughtly taught since even in case of Polish, lots of modern polish words are "polished" latin words from 17th century. We all speak Latin without knowing it.
Oh my god I’ve just gotten into a language-learning phase and am watching everything in Japanese that I can and I was thinking about practicing Latin as well and have watched your stuff on and off for like 2 years and now I find THIS on your channel?!?!?? THANK YOU
Got through 4 years of Latin at grammar school and have an "O" Level in it. Wasn't a fan of it at the time but have been into all things Roman Empire for many years and appreciate that it is the language of the Empire, and it has caused me to have greater interest in it.
I’m now in my 5th year of taking Latin and Greek and I’d say I’m very experienced by now, but still, translating original Latin texts is very difficult. Saying that you will be able to read philosophy and other Latin texts like a book is not realistic at all, and only people who have studied it for years can read Latin ‘fluently’. I still love Latin, but I think it is hard to properly teach it on youtube, since years are needed to build up the experience. Not to say I don’t like your idea, because teaching everyone the basics of the Latin grammar is such a good initiative! Looking forward to see how these lessons will turn out!
I took a latin class in 10th grade, I hated it but I liked the teacher which made it much better, I'm way more into the history of languages than I am actually learning them.
Really excited to learn Latin from an Italian-American who uses the restored classical pronounciation. Italians have such a fitting way of pronouncing it. How in depth do you plan on going with this? As much as your series on Italian? What happened to that by the way?
I don't know any Latin, but I don't think it can be 100% systematically precise like math. If it was, that would mean If could just learn every word and every grammar rule, I would sound 100% fluent and understandable, which is definitely not the case for other languages.
Is learning Latin as the first romance language really a good idea? For granted, if you are interested in studying ancient history or if you are interested in becoming a catholic priest. But wouldn't it otherwise be better to spend the time learning one of the current romance languages instead? Learning one also gives you a head start if you wish to add another one. All the examples in Latin from the video can be understood perfectly if you have Italian or Spanish. What about teaching Interlingua? Anyway, I will stay tuned for the Latin course. You, teaching Italian 🇮🇹 before was great and helpful for me.
i just took latin courses for 2 semesters in university! it was all in japanese, so i didn't quite get much, but this should be a nice way to recap if i do say so myself!
Having a good grounding in Latin plus some Ancient Greek helped hugely when learning anatomy. My favourite is “substantia gelatinosa” in the spinal cord. It literally means “jellyish stuff”. 😄
Utah you can really tell how ingrained Latin and Greek cultural supremacy is STILL ingrained in our culture. "Substantia Gelatinosa" sounds so formal, translate it into Germanic words and you get "jelly stuff" which, you probably wouldn't go back to a doctor who used that to refer to it would you? Deconstructing Latin or Greek terms into literal translations can be quite a culture shock
A lot of doctors' 'diagnoses' turn out to be Latin descriptions of the symptoms with some Greek incursions. eg (exempli gratia) 'Laryngitis':-' inflamed larynx' , 'gingivitis';- 'inflamed gums'
i like these languages, i wonder if professor Dave is planting on doing languages like English, Spanish, or other languages. though im sure hes really busy with making the political sciences course or something
If Dave can go from science to language on a dime and still come up with an effective lesson structure then he should probably be given an honorary phd in education. And latin definitely helps at the drs office too. Like when they give you some bs diagnosis "oh those chest pains that left you crumpled on the floor and that you paid $3k for an ultrasound to diagnose? Well we've diagnosed you with idiopathic chest pains..."
Stoked to see a language video: One minor caveat: this was a missed opportunity to bring up the difference between a “dead” language (like Latin) and an “extinct” language (like Hittite)
Latin vowels are very straightforward phonetically and fixed, unlike English where smtimes E sounds like I, A, Uh I like A, EE A as AE, AA, Eh so and so That's why Latin is easy to pronounce
Some of those sayings are so similar to Portuguese. Others, you must do quite a stretch in linguists Like alea iacta rest Translated as a sorte lançada está Alea existe in words like aleatório... And iacta (throw) exists as jato (jet) which until 50 years ago still had a silent c... Jacto. But the verb jatear nowadays means to throw very fast and continuously a substance (water, air, sand) Aleatoriedade jateada está
Nil per os or NPO, referring to the medical term of nothing by mouth. Also a whole dictionary of medical terminology, as Prof Dave mentioned, come from latin which is fascinating. Luckily, i manage to communicate in English, French, Arabic and a little bit of Latin
Idk if a linguist helped you with this, but some of the claims here about Latin having "better organized grammar" is not scientific. All languages have perfectly organized grammar, and no one language is "better" than another at anything. Calling Latin "more precise" or anything like that comes across just as badly as saying that energy can be good or bad.
Really? There are languages without the determinative article. Don't you think they are missing something crucial? Do you think a language which created the double genitive has a "perfectly organized grammar"?
@@galileog8945pretty sure they meant "perfect" in the sense of "perfectly well and good" and not "flawless." Something anyone with a passing degree of interest and familiarity with the field off linguistics would obviously agree with, unlike the notion that Mandarin, Japanese, Korean, Tatar, Mongolian, or countless other languages spoken perfectly well and good by billions of people are fundamentally missing something crucial because they're lacking definite articles. And by your own standards, what you have just written should somehow be gibberish because it's the same language in which the construction "a friend of his is a friend of mine" is grammatically possible. You fundamentally misunderstand linguistics.
@@rheiagreenland4714 I am not a linguist for sure. I just studied a few modern and ancient languages and know indeed that ancient Greek and, to a lesser extent, Latin have well organized grammars which, when you have studied them, enhance comprehension and avoid ambiguities. Most modern languages are less precise and must replace endings, declensions and conjugations with prepositions and context. There is no question that when a grammar is more precise it becomes more complex. A language with simple grammar like English is unavoidably more ambiguous and less interesting. I did not say English is gibberish because of the double genitive: English is a modern language with a limited grammar and a few freaky rules, but of course it is still usable and conveys meaningful messages in most cases. Yet, ambiguities abound: take the sign "Large tire sale"; or the headlines "Pentagon Plans Swell Deficit"; "Union Demands Increased Unemployment". There are thousands of these cases due an overly simplified grammar. German does not have these problems, because it retains many Latin features. Studying Latin brings us back to a richer, more organized language. Unfortunately, learning Latin is 100 times more difficult than learning English, and therefore this course will only scratch the surface. I do not understand why you say that I misunderstand linguistics. It is a blank, unjustified claim. Tell me how. Tell me how languages are all rich to the same extent.
@@galileog8945 I do not mean that all languages are "equally rich," i mean that is a concept which does not even apply to it. All I mean is that all languages are valid and work perfectly well for the people that speak them. English does not have an 'overly simplified' grammar, that is not something you could really say that a language has. It's not like other languages don't have ambiguities. Grammar is also dependent on context. Such as for 'large tire sale.' And with that 'union demands increased unemployment' is not everyday English, it's newspaper language, which kind of intentionally has ambiguities due to both limited space and clickbaiting. Normally you would say "The union's demands have caused increased unemployment." Or "The union demanded increased unemployment." English has the tools to clear those ambiguities. Other languages might put different cases on their verbs and stuff to indicate all the relations between the words in the sentence. It's not a better or worse or simpler or more complex grammar, it's just different and it changes over time to fit the needs of those speaking it. I think the problem with those headlines isn't with English being "too simple," but rather the necessary reduction of the headline to fit a single catchy line. To be frank, the notion that English is too simple and ambiguous is objectively false, it is capable of just as much precise grammatical construction as any other language upon anything resembling a closer inspection, as is any other human language. You seem to be conflating analytic vs. synthetic languages with grammatical simplicity vs. complexity, which is a fundamentally false misunderstanding of it.
@@rheiagreenland4714 OK then. You have no idea about linguistics or grammar or languages and you are just writing to fill some space. Thanks for clarifying that.
When reading ancient texts, there will always be something lost to translation/interpretation. How do you know the writer meant exactly what you think they meant? Is your red the same as their red?
It will help, a lot of German grammar is similar to Latin. I don't see the point though, it's much less effort to learn German than to learn first Latin and then German.
I learned latin at school and reached the highest certification available, and I think most of the arguments given in the video are BS. 1) If you want to learn romance languages, learn a romance language. You get all the benefits of getting easier access to other romance languages, plus you already know one of them. You know, one you can actually use. 2) While English was influenced by latin, the influence is pretty watered down. For example, Latin is a highly inflected language while English is very much not. Vocabulary can be learned much easier by just learning its use in the English language (which might differ from ancient use). I'm sure there are several books and websites on the topic. 3) Latin has a huge influence on technical terms, esp. in medicine, but these are a) just a list of words and b) very uncommon in Latin. I'm pretty sure the only medical terms I ever came across were the major body parts and major organs (arm, head, heart....). Become fluent in Latin and you have 99% of the work still ahead of you. 4) Latin allows you to read Latin books in the original, of which there are probably 50 worthwhile even for hardcore enthusiasts. (Side note: _By far_ the best ancient book I know is written in Greek: Thukydides' History of the Peloponnesian War) On the other hand, France is the second-largest exporter of movies in the world, and there are probably some tens of thousands of books first published in French annually. Learn French (the movies alone are worth it), Spanish or Portoguese, or one of the other romance languages.
Hey! You said in another comment that you are responding to the "how science became unscientific" video, but haven't uploaded a response video yet. Is it still being made?
"Learning Latin is a shortcut to the romance languages" Okay so hear me out That's like saying learning Chinese (specifically Beijing language known as pǔtōnghuà or mandarin) first is a shortcut to learning Mongolian, Japanese, Korean, Taiwanese, Vietnamese, etc. Yeah sure it'll be easier to learn the rest *maybe* but honestly? You might just be better off learning the one language you wanna learn xD Chinese is hard. Really hard. Especially compared to Japanese and *especially* compared to Korean considering they actually standardised their language to make it easier for people to be literate >> If you want to learn all the romance languages, go for Latin first. If you wanna learn one or two, learn those. Don't try to learn the origin language just to learn one or two others xD it'd take way too much time lmao I, for one, have been learning Latin because I like Latin.
Those languages have absolutely nothing to do with Chinese. Japanese is not descended from a dialect of Chinese. Romance languages on the other hand are direct descendants of Vulgar Latin. Your analogy makes more sense for learning Latin as an avenue to English due to the enormous amount of loan words
Some of your pronunciation of Latin are a bit off. The “ti” in Latin is pronounced as a sharp z like in zip (ab initio pronounced ab inizio). In fact all Italian words have mutated this spelling to a z. The curious thing is that English has maintained that Latin spelling, most (not all) English words that ends with “tion” can be translated to Italian by replacing it with “zione”, e.g. sta-tion = sta-zione, addi-tion = addi-zione, amputa-tion = amputa-zione
Scholars agree this is very likely how classical Latin was pronounced in imperial Rome. Latin was a widely spoken language till the 18th century, and the pronunciation changed over the centuries. What you learned (probably in school) is not the correct pronunciation.
If I want to use a power tool such as an electric drill, I do not need an engineering degree that will enable me to understand in great detail how such a tool is constructed and how it works. Similarly if I want to understand word derivations I do not need to have a full-blown understanding of Latin. I suffered 3 years of Latin at school, and was still unable to form a sentence in Latin, because it is a bizarre example of pointless heavyweight bureaucratic complexity, and I have no problem in understanding why it died out. It uses a stupid linguistic practice of piling layers of complexity into word-endings, for which it provides a large number of regular schemas (conjugations, declensions, etc) plus a bunch of essential irregular ones. Modern languages in Europe seem to me far less prone to that, and are therefore easier to learn, because we learn them as speakers whose native languages mostly do not use this practice. Latin remains in use in naming species, but that is a rather simplified matter compared to being able to hold a conversation in Latin. One has to wonder how the average Roman spoke such a heavily overburdening language, and I suspect the truth is that the formal Latin we see on Roman monuments was that of an educated clerical class. Rather than teaching Latin specifically, what should be taught is an overall linguistic overview therefore also taking into account the other linguistic influences that together led to the mainstream European languages of today. I was never taught ANY of that at school, I had to guess, or read about it myself, and yet it adds whole dimensions to a subject that, restricted to Latin, falls flat and empty and boring beyond belief.
As someone who was taught latin in school for 7 years and then for another 5 years at university (with a degree) im so excited for this series. Im already amazed by your flawless pronounciation of the example phrases, it happens so often that spoken latin is accentuated by the speakers native language. And all those excellent points you made for studying this language. Let me add one more: Latin had such a big part in forming the western history, it deserves to be preserved!
@@edwardj3070 no its still being taught. I mean it was like 13 years ago and my highschool latin teacher has since retired, but it was a pretty popular course and I just couldnt imagine them getting rid of it completely.
@@edwardj3070 ah I thought you meant just public schools in general. I mean they got rid of all ap science courses at my school shortly after I left, who knows what else they'd deem unnecessary.
I took two years of Latin (and ancient Greek) in college. It is indeed amazing how much of these words survive in current languages. Words like 'paraphrase' and 'perimeter' can completely be understood by knowing ancient Greek.
I know what these words mean already
I've become a bit of a Catholicism and Orthodoxy weeb, and much like actual weebs who learn Japanese from anime, I've found myself able to decipher the Greek characters and pronounce Greek, even know some words; then from my knowledge of Spanish, Portuguese, and even from English (and all the Romance languages I've tried), Latin Mass lets me kind of figure out Latin. I was kind of dumbfounded in Mass upon recognizing, finally, what "nobis" must mean - it is nosotros, nos, nous, nois, or as we know it, "we".
just watching a priest praying in Latin, then suddenly a notification appeared about this video
That is not a coincidence, my brother, seriously, lol.
Funny how that works 😂
Irrefutable proof that god exists /s
Or, an easier proof: AI speech recognition and devices background sound recording are working well (as intended).
@@Hallgrenoid not proof at all 💀
I started learning Latin once. But whenever I would practice, everyone around me started to freak out, acting like they saw a ghost, or like they thought I was demon-possessed or something. So I stopped.
Honestly, that sounds like another good reason to learn 😂
Stop reciting Latin in front of ancient books, and the problem would go away.
Can't wait for this. Thank you for your hard work. Really looking forward to the whole series!
NO WAAAAY 😱 This is a series I'll watch through the whole thing, please be exhaustive! Will you teach us grammar etc. too?
yep
@@ProfessorDaveExplains I'm jumping with joy 😄
Yes! Thank you Dave, I'm really excited for this series! I was meaning to study some Latin and improve my Italian
My experience in understanding grammar is similar, yet very different. I took German, and it helped me understand what they were trying to teach me in English classes. It also helped me understand and appreciate the aspects of Old English that remain in the language.
It also helped me learn to appreciate some things that English changed: like not conjugating to gender! 😂
I haven’t watched Professor Dave in a while but I just found your Latin playlist. As a linguistics nerd whose favorite language is Latin, I am ecstatic.
I am so excited! Learning Latin will make my philosophical studies much more rewarding!
Indeed, in my renewal of Latin, this little playlist will be important. Thanks, Dave!
Ecce in renovatione latinae hae lectiones magni momenti erunt. Gratias tibi, Dave.
Definitely opens up your appreciation for much scientific terminology.
this guy literally knows everything
I don't have all the evidence yet, but I have a suspicion that Professor Dave is an Immortal who has lived on Earth for well over 2000 years.
Thanks for that. I wanted to learn latin for the heck of it, but now I want for the way how logical it sounds. Also, Latin should be broughtly taught since even in case of Polish, lots of modern polish words are "polished" latin words from 17th century. We all speak Latin without knowing it.
Oh my god I’ve just gotten into a language-learning phase and am watching everything in Japanese that I can and I was thinking about practicing Latin as well and have watched your stuff on and off for like 2 years and now I find THIS on your channel?!?!?? THANK YOU
Iyay amyay ayay igpay andyay iyay enjoyedyay isthay ideovay!
Got through 4 years of Latin at grammar school and have an "O" Level in it. Wasn't a fan of it at the time but have been into all things Roman Empire for many years and appreciate that it is the language of the Empire, and it has caused me to have greater interest in it.
I look forward to this series! Going into nursing, the ability to understand even a little Latin is a massive boost.
Wait.. intro to Latin!?!?
I'm down! 💯
I wanna learn Latin! I am so excited to see that Professor Dave is teaching it 😍
Get the book Gwynne's Latin as well. It will give a good foundation to build upon.
@@Art-is-craftthank you!
I love it, but I laughed out loud when you said learning Latin first is a "shortcut" to learning Romance languages. 😂
I appreciate your work. I am so exited for this new series. I was looking for a online latin course. Thanks for this content.❤
I’m now in my 5th year of taking Latin and Greek and I’d say I’m very experienced by now, but still, translating original Latin texts is very difficult. Saying that you will be able to read philosophy and other Latin texts like a book is not realistic at all, and only people who have studied it for years can read Latin ‘fluently’. I still love Latin, but I think it is hard to properly teach it on youtube, since years are needed to build up the experience. Not to say I don’t like your idea, because teaching everyone the basics of the Latin grammar is such a good initiative! Looking forward to see how these lessons will turn out!
Dave, you are the best, please, now make a series on other languages, like French or german, please 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
This is awesome! 👏
Nice. I was planning to learn Latin. This comes at the right time.
I took a latin class in 10th grade, I hated it but I liked the teacher which made it much better, I'm way more into the history of languages than I am actually learning them.
Well, this was fun! Thanks Dave.
THANK YOU for the correct pronunciation of V! ❤
Really excited to learn Latin from an Italian-American who uses the restored classical pronounciation. Italians have such a fitting way of pronouncing it. How in depth do you plan on going with this? As much as your series on Italian? What happened to that by the way?
3:48 in spoken Classical Latin you don’t make pauses between words, you pronounce all in one.
i've always had a vivid interest in both medicine and etymology, so Latin always felt like a warm friend to me ♥
Great topic to talk about 🙏
Hi Professor Dave happy Friday
"So, anfter AILL THAT, if you're not interested in Latin, best of luck in your future endeavors."
🤣🤣🤣
I don't know any Latin, but I don't think it can be 100% systematically precise like math.
If it was, that would mean If could just learn every word and every grammar rule, I would sound 100% fluent and understandable, which is definitely not the case for other languages.
Is learning Latin as the first romance language really a good idea? For granted, if you are interested in studying ancient history or if you are interested in becoming a catholic priest. But wouldn't it otherwise be better to spend the time learning one of the current romance languages instead? Learning one also gives you a head start if you wish to add another one. All the examples in Latin from the video can be understood perfectly if you have Italian or Spanish. What about teaching Interlingua? Anyway, I will stay tuned for the Latin course. You, teaching Italian 🇮🇹 before was great and helpful for me.
wow you actually managed to persuade me to learn latin. i had no intention of doing it before clicking
There are over 100k untranslated surviving books in latin from 600-1850 about all kinds of subjects including history
Out of all the languages Hebrew has got to be one of the easiest to learn, easier than Latin for sure
please contiue this series sir
I'm British and when I was at high school, many moons ago we were taught latin
i just took latin courses for 2 semesters in university! it was all in japanese, so i didn't quite get much, but this should be a nice way to recap if i do say so myself!
These are all good reasons to study Latin! Yay ancient Greek and Roman philosophy!
Why are 14 videos hidden in the latin playlist?
They are released on a schedule
Letss goo , i was always fond of learning latin!!
You are amazing, Dave. A true polimath.
Thabks for sharing your knowledge with us, usi
*polymath ...And that's a good ironic use of a _Greek_ term. :)
Agreed!
Having a good grounding in Latin plus some Ancient Greek helped hugely when learning anatomy. My favourite is “substantia gelatinosa” in the spinal cord. It literally means “jellyish stuff”. 😄
Utah you can really tell how ingrained Latin and Greek cultural supremacy is STILL ingrained in our culture. "Substantia Gelatinosa" sounds so formal, translate it into Germanic words and you get "jelly stuff" which, you probably wouldn't go back to a doctor who used that to refer to it would you?
Deconstructing Latin or Greek terms into literal translations can be quite a culture shock
A lot of doctors' 'diagnoses' turn out to be Latin descriptions of the symptoms with some Greek incursions. eg (exempli gratia) 'Laryngitis':-' inflamed larynx' , 'gingivitis';- 'inflamed gums'
i like these languages, i wonder if professor Dave is planting on doing languages like English, Spanish, or other languages. though im sure hes really busy with making the political sciences course or something
Professor Dave is the G.O.A.T.
Hyped.
If Dave can go from science to language on a dime and still come up with an effective lesson structure then he should probably be given an honorary phd in education. And latin definitely helps at the drs office too. Like when they give you some bs diagnosis "oh those chest pains that left you crumpled on the floor and that you paid $3k for an ultrasound to diagnose? Well we've diagnosed you with idiopathic chest pains..."
Hi, will you start teaching Latin , just like Italian?
Professor Dave at this point is a modern day Da Vinci. It’s inspiring how much he actually knows and teaches. A true gift to the world!
Excited to learn Latin
Are you starting a Latin series?
' Opus valde pulchrum '👍
Please tell me you're working with @Polymathy on this
Yay🎉 I have also wanted to learn about Latin language
Please, moar. I studied latin in high school and forgot almost all of it. I want to remember it.
Stoked to see a language video:
One minor caveat: this was a missed opportunity to bring up the difference between a “dead” language (like Latin) and an “extinct” language (like Hittite)
He knows a lot about the science stuff professor Dave explaines hhhhhhhhhuuuuuuu
Latin vowels are very straightforward phonetically and fixed, unlike English where smtimes
E sounds like I, A, Uh
I like A, EE
A as AE, AA, Eh so and so
That's why Latin is easy to pronounce
As an aficionado of the Demonic and a delver of Kabbalah. This is very helpful.
Some of those sayings are so similar to Portuguese.
Others, you must do quite a stretch in linguists
Like alea iacta rest
Translated as a sorte lançada está
Alea existe in words like aleatório... And iacta (throw) exists as jato (jet) which until 50 years ago still had a silent c... Jacto.
But the verb jatear nowadays means to throw very fast and continuously a substance (water, air, sand)
Aleatoriedade jateada está
Oiá kk brasileiro detectado kk
This gon be the biggest flex ever
Nil per os or NPO, referring to the medical term of nothing by mouth.
Also a whole dictionary of medical terminology, as Prof Dave mentioned, come from latin which is fascinating. Luckily, i manage to communicate in English, French, Arabic and a little bit of Latin
هلا هلا، نورت
@@sirblackrose5293 thx brother 🙏
cool!
Idk if a linguist helped you with this, but some of the claims here about Latin having "better organized grammar" is not scientific. All languages have perfectly organized grammar, and no one language is "better" than another at anything. Calling Latin "more precise" or anything like that comes across just as badly as saying that energy can be good or bad.
Really? There are languages without the determinative article. Don't you think they are missing something crucial? Do you think a language which created the double genitive has a "perfectly organized grammar"?
@@galileog8945pretty sure they meant "perfect" in the sense of "perfectly well and good" and not "flawless." Something anyone with a passing degree of interest and familiarity with the field off linguistics would obviously agree with, unlike the notion that Mandarin, Japanese, Korean, Tatar, Mongolian, or countless other languages spoken perfectly well and good by billions of people are fundamentally missing something crucial because they're lacking definite articles.
And by your own standards, what you have just written should somehow be gibberish because it's the same language in which the construction "a friend of his is a friend of mine" is grammatically possible.
You fundamentally misunderstand linguistics.
@@rheiagreenland4714 I am not a linguist for sure. I just studied a few modern and ancient languages and know indeed that ancient Greek and, to a lesser extent, Latin have well organized grammars which, when you have studied them, enhance comprehension and avoid ambiguities. Most modern languages are less precise and must replace endings, declensions and conjugations with prepositions and context. There is no question that when a grammar is more precise it becomes more complex. A language with simple grammar like English is unavoidably more ambiguous and less interesting. I did not say English is gibberish because of the double genitive: English is a modern language with a limited grammar and a few freaky rules, but of course it is still usable and conveys meaningful messages in most cases. Yet, ambiguities abound: take the sign "Large tire sale"; or the headlines "Pentagon Plans Swell Deficit"; "Union Demands Increased Unemployment". There are thousands of these cases due an overly simplified grammar. German does not have these problems, because it retains many Latin features. Studying Latin brings us back to a richer, more organized language. Unfortunately, learning Latin is 100 times more difficult than learning English, and therefore this course will only scratch the surface. I do not understand why you say that I misunderstand linguistics. It is a blank, unjustified claim. Tell me how. Tell me how languages are all rich to the same extent.
@@galileog8945 I do not mean that all languages are "equally rich," i mean that is a concept which does not even apply to it. All I mean is that all languages are valid and work perfectly well for the people that speak them.
English does not have an 'overly simplified' grammar, that is not something you could really say that a language has. It's not like other languages don't have ambiguities.
Grammar is also dependent on context. Such as for 'large tire sale.' And with that 'union demands increased unemployment' is not everyday English, it's newspaper language, which kind of intentionally has ambiguities due to both limited space and clickbaiting. Normally you would say "The union's demands have caused increased unemployment." Or "The union demanded increased unemployment." English has the tools to clear those ambiguities. Other languages might put different cases on their verbs and stuff to indicate all the relations between the words in the sentence. It's not a better or worse or simpler or more complex grammar, it's just different and it changes over time to fit the needs of those speaking it.
I think the problem with those headlines isn't with English being "too simple," but rather the necessary reduction of the headline to fit a single catchy line.
To be frank, the notion that English is too simple and ambiguous is objectively false, it is capable of just as much precise grammatical construction as any other language upon anything resembling a closer inspection, as is any other human language. You seem to be conflating analytic vs. synthetic languages with grammatical simplicity vs. complexity, which is a fundamentally false misunderstanding of it.
@@rheiagreenland4714 OK then. You have no idea about linguistics or grammar or languages and you are just writing to fill some space. Thanks for clarifying that.
Will there be a Latin lesson here?
When reading ancient texts, there will always be something lost to translation/interpretation. How do you know the writer meant exactly what you think they meant? Is your red the same as their red?
Precise as it may be, is it phonetic though?
I've been trying to learn German on my own for years. I wonder if this will help with that? Looking forward to more Latin lessons! 🎓
It will help, a lot of German grammar is similar to Latin. I don't see the point though, it's much less effort to learn German than to learn first Latin and then German.
@@korbendallas5318 Thanks for the advice!
DAVE if you can do a series on Latin Spanish, I will send you my dog in the mail.
why was the emoji a sixer😭
As we learned in Stargate: SG1, everything sounds better in Latin.
fellow stargate enjoyer spotted
I learned latin at school and reached the highest certification available, and I think most of the arguments given in the video are BS.
1) If you want to learn romance languages, learn a romance language. You get all the benefits of getting easier access to other romance languages, plus you already know one of them. You know, one you can actually use.
2) While English was influenced by latin, the influence is pretty watered down. For example, Latin is a highly inflected language while English is very much not. Vocabulary can be learned much easier by just learning its use in the English language (which might differ from ancient use). I'm sure there are several books and websites on the topic.
3) Latin has a huge influence on technical terms, esp. in medicine, but these are a) just a list of words and b) very uncommon in Latin. I'm pretty sure the only medical terms I ever came across were the major body parts and major organs (arm, head, heart....). Become fluent in Latin and you have 99% of the work still ahead of you.
4) Latin allows you to read Latin books in the original, of which there are probably 50 worthwhile even for hardcore enthusiasts. (Side note: _By far_ the best ancient book I know is written in Greek: Thukydides' History of the Peloponnesian War) On the other hand, France is the second-largest exporter of movies in the world, and there are probably some tens of thousands of books first published in French annually.
Learn French (the movies alone are worth it), Spanish or Portoguese, or one of the other romance languages.
I'm doing this for biology 🙈
Okay so teach us
So english is really a combination of Latin French and German
4:05 That was wonderful! Id est, hearing an american say the motto of the country properly.😂😊
And botanical latin, my gateway drug to Cicero. : ))))))
YOU call it Latn,
WE call it Latin.
Where is the rest?
Hey! You said in another comment that you are responding to the "how science became unscientific" video, but haven't uploaded a response video yet. Is it still being made?
I know this is nit picky but in the US most people don’t know that the staff of Hermes (caduceus) is not a medical symbol
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@@donchristie420 HOW ARE YOU?
"Learning Latin is a shortcut to the romance languages"
Okay so hear me out
That's like saying learning Chinese (specifically Beijing language known as pǔtōnghuà or mandarin) first is a shortcut to learning Mongolian, Japanese, Korean, Taiwanese, Vietnamese, etc. Yeah sure it'll be easier to learn the rest *maybe* but honestly? You might just be better off learning the one language you wanna learn xD
Chinese is hard. Really hard. Especially compared to Japanese and *especially* compared to Korean considering they actually standardised their language to make it easier for people to be literate >>
If you want to learn all the romance languages, go for Latin first. If you wanna learn one or two, learn those.
Don't try to learn the origin language just to learn one or two others xD it'd take way too much time lmao
I, for one, have been learning Latin because I like Latin.
Those languages have absolutely nothing to do with Chinese. Japanese is not descended from a dialect of Chinese. Romance languages on the other hand are direct descendants of Vulgar Latin. Your analogy makes more sense for learning Latin as an avenue to English due to the enormous amount of loan words
Some of your pronunciation of Latin are a bit off. The “ti” in Latin is pronounced as a sharp z like in zip (ab initio pronounced ab inizio). In fact all Italian words have mutated this spelling to a z. The curious thing is that English has maintained that Latin spelling, most (not all) English words that ends with “tion” can be translated to Italian by replacing it with “zione”, e.g. sta-tion = sta-zione, addi-tion = addi-zione, amputa-tion = amputa-zione
Scholars agree this is very likely how classical Latin was pronounced in imperial Rome. Latin was a widely spoken language till the 18th century, and the pronunciation changed over the centuries. What you learned (probably in school) is not the correct pronunciation.
Latin is a dead language,
As dead as dead can be,
It killed the Romans, now
Professor Dave is killing me.
I guess I'm learning latin then
Hi Dave, would you recommend any text material to complement your latin course?
The only Latin I know is "Romane eunt domus".
'Domus'? Nominative? 'Go home', this is motion towards, isn't it, boy?
Let's drop Math and Science from high school and learn Latin instead
Ad libitum = at will
Just searched about angels and demons and stuff and this popped up in recommended lol
Latin grammar is pretty cool. But there are so many different words. Maybe I'll take up toki pona instead.
Or Chinese and Russian, and you'll be better prepared for the new world order.
Salve! loquerisne latinē?
Not hardly, partner
@@donchristie420Nunc discere potes
@@crabbyboi9127 gratias-conabor
If I want to use a power tool such as an electric drill, I do not need an engineering degree that will enable me to understand in great detail how such a tool is constructed and how it works.
Similarly if I want to understand word derivations I do not need to have a full-blown understanding of Latin. I suffered 3 years of Latin at school, and was still unable to form a sentence in Latin, because it is a bizarre example of pointless heavyweight bureaucratic complexity, and I have no problem in understanding why it died out.
It uses a stupid linguistic practice of piling layers of complexity into word-endings, for which it provides a large number of regular schemas (conjugations, declensions, etc) plus a bunch of essential irregular ones.
Modern languages in Europe seem to me far less prone to that, and are therefore easier to learn, because we learn them as speakers whose native languages mostly do not use this practice.
Latin remains in use in naming species, but that is a rather simplified matter compared to being able to hold a conversation in Latin.
One has to wonder how the average Roman spoke such a heavily overburdening language, and I suspect the truth is that the formal Latin we see on Roman monuments was that of an educated clerical class.
Rather than teaching Latin specifically, what should be taught is an overall linguistic overview therefore also taking into account the other linguistic influences that together led to the mainstream European languages of today.
I was never taught ANY of that at school, I had to guess, or read about it myself, and yet it adds whole dimensions to a subject that, restricted to Latin, falls flat and empty and boring beyond belief.
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