Casinos accusing anyone of cheating is hilarious and the height of hypocrisy. Card counting or edge sorting is NOT cheating at all in any way, shape, or form. Casinos steal BILLIONS from MILLIONS of people and cry when someone beats them. It's sick.
@@doritogoat The casinos and Ivey came to an agreement with the courts, that's why he was not criminally charged. If he had refused a payback agreement he would have been in serious trouble. Most likely assets seized at a minimum and a criminal record.
Total disgrace how Phil basically lost both these cases. Amazing that courts would uphold the whims of borderline criminal casinos while actively punishing an intelligent player who broke NO law.
He lied. He based his request on false 'superstitious' reasoning. Casinos are run by crooks, you shouldn't go, doesn't mean this guys isn't a narcissistic, lying, thief.
He ran a scam and the Casino called foul. If things like this were ruled for the player casinos would not offer these types of bets. Thats the reason its a good set of rulings.
I’m sorry but he’s foolish if he thought the American justice system wasn’t completely corrupted. You don’t think they can sway a federal judge who can’t be fired on issues that don’t really mean shit, like this one.
The casino doesn't cheat you lol, you know what the game is and you are a grown up person, you can freely decide not to participate in it. Of course Phil did nothing wrong either, but stop playing a victim when there is none.
If you walk into any casino and put your life savings, or any amount of money, down on the table, you are actively taking a chance that you may not walk out with that money. Don't blame the casino.
You bet there’s a minimum/maximum now when he enters at any casino.the word is out.if there’s casino who identifies him entering then lets him sets the rules out front then the casino has only themselves to blame because this guy already know the odds beforehand.
@@joeventre9357 jes the borgata couldn't get his money because he moved money offshore, but it's seizing all the money he wins In American tournaments.
The way the courts treated Ivey actually pisses me off to no end. Dude won fair and square. The casino agreed to everything he asked for. He simply played smart and won. The court system in both the UK and in America FUCKED HIM over big time.
@@brianmayabella5992 *Oh heck yeah! You bet they were. Probably 2 million buck each and the casino get their 20 million back so it was worth it to them.*
@@radicalrick9587 might have just paid them the full 20 million or more in bribes but no the precident is set and they can point at this case in the future if anyone tries this again. if they are losing 20 million anyways may as well literally change law for their benefit.
They agreed to his request, and they knew what he was doing. They didn't think his 5-6% advantage was going to net him 20 million in winnings. They rolled the dice, just like he did. He's just a phenomenal player, and he outsmarted the casino's. Game over.
Yeah, the casinos just trying to freeroll Phil. If they win they say nothing, if phil win they sue so to get the money back lol. The casino could just decline phils request lol fking slimy
"It is an offence, under section 42 of the UK Gambling Act, to cheat at gambling or do anything for the purpose of enabling or assisting another person to cheat at gambling. A gambler can be considered to be committing an offence of cheating even if they do not win anything or improve their chances of winning anything by engaging in the activity."
@@alexojideagu completely different story if he would have just told them "I don't know what you're talking about." Him actually admitting it, is what made him lose the case. Stick to your guns and take their money. "Speculation" doesn't win them anything.
Indeed, the courts determined that such action as requesting a specific brand of playing cards amounts to cheating. Shame he lost on appeal in both cases.
@@ianbowline404 as much as I would have loved the casinos to lose the case, that in turn would mean casinos would be allowed to use edge sorting as well.
@@jorceshaman only works in blackjack. They use 4 decks but always play at full table. The rest is common sense to me. Im up a lot on the casino on blackjack.
robin hoods are the shit. i watched a dude who robbed a bank earlier and him and his accomplices threw the money out his window while on pursuit 1-2 grand at a time til they had no money left and the pursuit ended. The neighborhood loved him. Straight up legend
Would be better to take personal responsibility for your actions so you don't repeat the same mistake. Don't blame the bottle for your drinking problem.
I work as a pit boss, and Phil is absolutely right. He did nothing illegal. Those casinos were just outright irresponsible in agreeing to his requests.
Did he win those lawsuits? I remember reading about it. I didn't think he cheated...if the Casino is too stupid to do their home work...that's on them.
The only thing that sounds sketchy is the setup with the dealer. It sounded like he was doing some kind of colluding with the dealer. If he colluded with the dealer to get some kind of advantage, that's probably illegal. It really depends on why he wanted a dealer that was speaking mandarin and whatever was involved in the conversation. Was there some kind of bribe agreement here? If so, that'd definitely be a problem. Beyond that, the casino knows what it's doing when it lets him have a specific style of deck and shuffler. The casino agreed to the terms and they're stuck with the result.
Remember the house can let you play or they can make you go. The house makes the rules of who they will do business with. They always have the ultimate hand it that regard.
There's nothing ironic about it. Casinos offer you very long odds to make money. You're free to stay home if you like, but if you hit upon a miracle they WILL pay you. Real casinos keep it as honest as humanly possible in order to let you feel "safe" betting your mortgage payment on a million to one chance. Perfectly honest, just a really, really terrible idea. There's no irony here.
So can I sue the casino for taking my money after I feel embarrassed? No, so the moral of the story is AS LONG AS THE CASINO BREAKING YOU ITS COMPLETELY FINE!!!!!!
For anyone wondering it looks like he lost both of those cases. He had to settle in court for 10million and lost the case in England. Glad to know the legal system just loves to protect the stupid and wrong corpos rather then the smart successful man.
Yeah it nearly destroyed him.. and it was 100% wrong. Just another proof that the system is rigged.. and I don't mean the casinos, everyone knows they're rigged.
He had a decent case, but his opponents were too big. I'd truly be surprised and interested to learn about people that took on a casino in court and still feel like they won today.
To anyone wondering - phil Ivey lost the case in both the US and the UK. He never got paid in the UK, and was asked to pay back the money to the borgata. However, the casino wired his $10mil he made to a Mexican account - so the money couldn’t be directly returned. The borgota would then go on to take future winnings of ivey’s - essentially meaning he would play poker without a prize. This got a lot of backlash from the gambling community. The borgota tried to seize ivey’s assets in Nevada as repayment, but that didn’t work out and Ivey ended up filing an appeal - which reached an unknown settlement. No one knows if he repaid his $10mil to the casino or not
Wow, thanks for the in depth explanation. I’m glad he’s still alive as I was going to search the obits. Scary stuff to be even accused of gambling theft.
@@jacksparrow8932 I agree, if the casino agreed to his demands - he shouldn't be considered cheating. His only problem was that he went up against an establishment with a lot of money and a lot of power - and unfortunately our court systems favor the rich
“If I make a request and the house grants it, then how can that be cheating ?” Especially considering that the casinos were well aware of who Phil Ivey was.
@@sludge4125 All casinos were and are well aware of this ‘playing the turn’ technique and that many card decks are flawed because of a mistake during the cutting process at the manufacturing plant. They agreed to Phil Ivey’s demands in spite of that.
@@sludge4125 Is Phil Ivey under arrest for cheating? NO Is Phil Ivey even under threat of being arrested for cheating? NO If someone like me is well aware that not all backsides of playing cards are identical, is it safe to also assume that the casinos are aware of it? YES Did the casino agree to, and control the playing cards when Phil Ivey played? YES If a player is obliged to tell the dealer that there is a defect in the playing cards, let me go on record right now and tell ALL of the casinos in the world, that the backsides of many card decks are not identical because of a mistake during the cutting process at manufacturing plants.
JASON MORRIS exactly. Nothing but sour grapes. The casino knew who they were dealing with but they thought they could beat him and take his money. Don’t go crying now that you lost. Bitch asses
yea if u somehow manage to win u cheated haha, as ur not meant to win big as far as theyre concerned. i checked wiki and it seems both casinos won their lawsuits against him.
@@ninjanizzle Yea, as someone who doesn't gamble, it is kinda annoying. This guy outsmarted them both, and didn't technically cheat. They are only crying cause they lost. So I go in there and lose, can accuse them of of cheating me and sue and get my money back? Why the double standard?
There are no implied rules in gambling. It's the casino's responsibility to make sure the hardware is honest. If they use cards with flaws it's on them.
@@KingofallHacks this is not true, although that's what the other poster was implying, what ivey did was have the dealer orientate cards so he could see them better
The casino agreed to all of Phil's terms and conditions in order to give him what he believed to be an edge and again the casino agreed to it. Withholding of Phil's winnings is damaging enough to the casino's reputation because other casual gamblers may avoid them. My advice to the casino would be to get some Aspercream with Lidocaine, apply it to their anal area and get over the butt hurt! They surely brought this upon themselves. As an aside, before this video, I never even heard of a gambler named Phil Ivey!
As high-limit gaming manager at The Venetian in Las Vegas for 11 years, I dealt with Phil Ivey many times. Very cool guy. He would lose $1mil in less than an hour on a crap table. As far as this case; the second I heard about it I said basically everything the game protection guy in this video said. These two casinos either got greedy or had very weak table games managers because they never should have agreed to Phil's requests. Since they did; the only thing they could do after that was label him an "Advantage Player" and not let him play again. Phil needs a lawyer and a judge who understands gaming because he should be able to keep his winnings.
This is disgusting, Ivey outsmarted these guys and they went and cried to their mommies. Its their reputations which have been blackened. And, an 'implied' contract isnt worth the paper that it's not written on!
@@APARAJITMUSIC he got his stake back but he did not get his winnings from the london casino, and bargata are in the process of taking his luxury items to pay for the 10mil they paid him
His game starts as soon as he grabs the chair. “How many hands did I miss?” He doesn’t care how many hands he missed. He wants to know who’s paying that close of attention to the game, and encourage fan boys to start talking. Most people will play more aggressively towards him because they want to have that story of busting a pro.
Yeah, Cuba Gooding Jr. would also be a great candidate but Denzel has that way of playing the edgy character that Phil portrays sometimes. The “my way or the highway” attitude. Gooding is a great actor as well.
Photography memory? I can take pictures of the back of each card in the deck and I would still forget them hahaha phil ivey out played them and they're crying about their money. It's phil's money...haha
He probably didnt find it out himself. But he is famous enough that a casino would agree to all his requests that otherwise would make a casino suspicious if any other person would do these requests. So if there is 1 clever person anywhere on the world , he can get the information, "maybe" pay that person some nice money for the informations and just check on some casinos if they fall for the scam.
Literally genius. From the conditions, to the edge sorting, to the HAVING HIS PARTNER AND A DEALER THAT SPOKE MANDARIN SO THAT HE COULD GET CARDS TURNED SO THEY WOULD BE EASIER TO READ AFTER GOING THROUGH THE SHUFFLE MACHINE.... absolute legend. Sometimes I think I'm pretty intelligent, and then people like this come along and just blow my mind
@@dankelly5150 He didn't play the race card. He simply asked if race is an issue in that world. Ivy said no and the interviewer moved on. If he was interviewing a woman, he would have asked if gender was an issue in that world. It's a fair question to ask especially when someone is the minority in an industry. Bye.
So let me get this right ... If Phil Ivey had lost all of his money the casino's would have given Phil all his money back cos he was'nt smart enough to beat them
There should be a risk of doubling the money if the casino starts suing the winner so they don't retardedly start wasting everyone's time after someone wins fair and square.
I totally agree , and the fact that the whole world now knows that they are looking for Phil to pay back money they lost to these " marked " cards ... will this casino also name the people that they owe to because of these damaged cards ??
These 2 casino's that are suing Phil are basically saying to Phil and more importantly to all the big gamblers that come their doors .... " You are NOT a cheat if you lose all your money here but you ARE a cheat if you win " . Be careful where you go with you money !!!!
It’s mind-blowing that casinos who make billions would impose rules that are designed to prevent a level playing field, ie, give the player as much an opportunity to win money as the casino has to take the money from the player. If edge sorting is a known problem, then have cards specifically manufactured to eliminate the edge sorting issue!! Jeez, it’s stupid. They act like he is drawing cards off the bottom of the deck!!
Josh Carter they take your money but you can take theirs. If you walk in do 1 bet win and leave they can't do anything. They can only stay in business knowing they have a statistical advantage, when you take that away, you're going to go out of business.
Chase Merritt Well then they are fucked. How can you say if you are a better player than our dealers and know all the 'shortcuts' in the game then we won't pay you.
Then let them go out of business! That's how capitalism is supposed to work, I'm sick of all these safety nets for big corporations. If you fuck up, you exit the gene pool.
LordNasor I would let them go out of business if it were up to me. I don't gamble and damn sure wouldn't at a casino. I would play friends or at places where it's fair. Unfortunately millions of people every year spend their life savings in these casinos and keep them running. They won't ever go out of business.
Your premise is flawed. People go to casinos and play games built to give no expectation of winning over time. They do not take, that would be stealing and illegal.
That's so damn disgusting even if you take the money from casino, they are just to damn powerful for you to keep it... That's how the world works you can not take anything from the big guys, but if it other way around.....
@@Klaudaslt Yeah, I don't get it. He did NOT cheat. They agreed to everything. He only did "advantage play". That is NOT cheating. That is being a smart gambler. Just seems so odd he lost them. But, I am sure a nice dono was made to campaigns.
@@urmaker just another case of Sour Grapes!! As much money as those casinos bring in daily, paying their debts should be no problem! But the Greedy just want more and more!!
Q: “Has race been a factor at all?” A: “No, not in poker. In poker, the only color they see is green.” This guy deserves everything he has, incredible personality and no excuses. Brilliant mind.
if this was cheating then being smart is cheating as well. Imagine the classroom of the future, teacher: "ok class, I give you three numbers, and you tell me what comes next, ready? let's go: 1, .. 4, .. 7, ... so what number comes after 7? little lisa screams: 8! little jimmy shoots out: 10!! - teacher: that's right jim--..and gets interrupted by lisa: cheater! Ivy just discovered a pattern, and made a profit of it. The tools to help him discover that pattern were even granted him by the casinos, such a clear case. Discovering patterns and making profits of them is one basic pillar of all our economies throughout history, makes us human, calling that cheating is ridiculous really want to know how the cases go for ivy
I agree that in MY book, ivey didn't cheat but played smart. But in CASINO rules, it's cheating. Before playing a casino, you indirectly agree that it's a gambling game and they have an edge on you. For example if you go to vegas, counting cards at blackjack is illegal and casinos can sue you and take you to jails for that. Even if you're smart, it's still cheating to THEM.
It's not illegal to count cards. It does give the player the advantage so when a casino sees it, they tell the player they won't take their bets any more. But the player can not be arrested for it and a casino can't sue a player for doing it. All they can do is refuse your business.
They can't arrest you because it isn't illegal. Just saying that your original comment was wrong in saying it's illegal and someone can be arrested for doing it. You just said they can't be arrested. Illegal means there's a crime commited, which counting cards is definitely not a crime.
I 100% agree with Phil Ivey. All the rules they decided prior to that were fully agreed on by both parties. If Phil Ivey is doing anything wrong here then all rigged gambling in favor of the casino is equally wrong.
@Charlie oh cmon, I won't get into an argument over words definition, that's just silly. We all know those machines pays in favor of the casino. Sure all the info is available to the player however all the efforts are put into games making you believe you could win big amount. It's not because the game follow GLI rules that it ain't wrong or rigged. I programmed slot machines for over 15 years and trust me the efforts to circumvent rules and regulations are insane.
@Charlie just look at class2 casino games...That's slot machine disguised into so called bingo game, although it is perfectly legal, this is deception at it's purest level just to circumvent the law. Wake up to the real world where it's not just rainbow and unicorn. Since casinos are allowed to do this to people, they deserve to get their own deceiving medicine...
All games in the casino are known to have a house advantage and people willingly agree, The casino didnt know that Ivey was using these cards for cheating and reading them otherwise they would have never agreed.
@Charlie It was a form of cheating, in my opinion. They didnt figure it out until he left, and of course they are going to settle it in court. If Phil was reading the back of card without having requested a certain type of cards then I would say its just an advantage if it was the casino's card and Phil hadnt asked for them knowing what he was going to do, but he intended obviously to get them to have certain type of cards so he could have a signifcant advantage without the casino's knowledge, to me thats cheating.
In my experience (which is small) dealers are cool people. So to be outside China and be able to speak your native tongue in a foreign country, that would definitely loosen the dealer up. Imagine what you could do if you could speak a secret language to the dealer...
He is correct. The game is very popular with Asian people and almost every time I have played I had a Asian dealer for that game. It’s a great game. I have won big bucks and lost big in a hurry. But it’s fun playing. It’s more fun to me then blackjack for sure. But you need to learn all the rules before you play for sure
The casino's legal way of playing against them is to have zero advantage against them. Basically anyone who can beat them is cheating, they're not supposed to be beat.
How is card counting cheating? You don't use a device. You don't mark cards. You don't pay of the dealer. You just use your mind in your advantage. That's not cheating. That's being clever.
Sorry, they agreed to ALL his requests. Therefore they gave him their money, thinking they could take his money. Fair game. And maybe the casinos should invest in better cut cards.
@Random Person it is you who can't read between the lines... read again what he said and read the ending twice... he put in a little joke too... made it sound like he was talking :) numnuts
Casinos do this to ANY successful player. Also, what a horrible crappy job 60 minutes did...they did not even talk about how the casinos do this very often to successful players.
they have a black book of players that beat them card counting ,thats not cheating its using youre brain .and facial recognition software that they put on a database, no problem ruining people who arent succesful but thet defame anyone who wins to much . completely right you are
@saintquinn007 they never will because they don'thave to, they know you have an edge and they don't want anyone with even a 1% chance over the house to be on their property. Eventually you're stuck at private games or in his case putting light on casinos because they basically so they can't say no or lose "huuuge" lol business.
Welcome to impartiality. I think almost ANYONE will side with Ivey - but 60 Minutes leave it to the viewer to decide if they agree or not. This isn't a bug, it's THE feature of news.
He lost the court case. This ladies and gents is why you don't gamble. They cheat you and keep it all. You take a very small advantage and win, they still take it all.
The thing that got I've was the middle man being the Asians if it had just been Phil looking at the cards no harm no foul but when he requested an Asian dealer and had his Asian companion now u have an inside man and a sidekick communicating on your behalf too much evidence even if they did grant it to him he took the bait!!
@Dave Farley :Saying it over & over again might make you not feel inadequate, but sorry to bust your bubble it's not a BELIEF but a proven FACT & you can eat your heart out , IT'S A BLACK THING, hey & what have you been smoking? Even our women say so!! That alone disqualified your comment.
@Dave Farley quit living in denied dude that was the dumbest shit u could say we dominate the sports world and every white women breathing want sum BBC in there life every the racist ones get use to it🍆
obviously it's not Phils fault. He beat the casino at their own game. They need to learn and deal with it. the casinos reaction makes players feel like not playing again.
+Bill Tsompanidis not playing again is what the casino wants, as a advantage player that is, on the contrary we need to become more advantageous players against the casino systems, that would really burn their bullshit and make them think deep into what they need to do to beat the players at their games...
+Jay Silva Why would any high stakes gamblers gamble at those casinos knowing they could be sued afterwards? By trying to label Phil a cheater they ruined their own reputation in the process.
+Jamie Simmons It's cheating if you secretly give yourself an advantage. It's not cheating if he tells the casino he would like to play with a certain shuffling machine, and they agreed. If you agree to rules without thinking them through (and I'm sure they are experts on cheating/preventing being cheated), then obviously they thought they could win and are likely angry that Phil still won.
@Will Rich I haven't had TV for a while and that is one of the shows I miss..I enjoyed watching him and I feel sorry for anybody that has to look in his eyes when he knows he's going to steamroll right over whatever hand they have sooner or later ... I would love to be sitting there in person watching him up close... I can only imagine what the vibe is that comes off at him when he knows he's going to beat you at your game... gives me chills haha but good chills like watching a spooky movie when you know what's going to happen next. I really wish they would put him in a movie where he's the bad guy cuz he could play that very easily
On the table yes, but when you get up its back to life and reality. Mess with the whitemans money and its lawsuit. He's lucky that the mob didnt put him to death!
I don't completely agree. Race plays no part in your ability to win or lose. I have always been one of the best if not the best at majority white casinos. I was loved by a few who judged me on the content of my character and hated by many others for I'll advised reasons. I do however have a clue why I am hated.
@@alyjulmiste1880 Not trying to take away anything from your point, but just the way you implied that anyone who sees you by your character loves you, already made me dislike you.
I wouldn’t be able to sleep if I knew I had to beat the casino and the court to get my money especially as I put up a million in stake even before I walked into the casino. It should never have gone to court in the first place They should pay him and then bar him. But not to pay don’t look good for the casino. So if someone lost millions of pounds then won it all back then what would they get paid or not. Casinos only like losers not winners. Better not to gamble. Also how many lives have the casino ruined over the years. Millions I bet.
It’s just like a legally binding agreement. Even if someone doesn’t get there way they can go back to the contract in court and say right here you agreed to this.
Phil Ivey walked on to their car dealership and out negotiated them, paid his bill and drove off with his new car and now they want to whine that he cheated them and want their car back because he out negotiated them. Everyone knows that poor defenseless car salesman are nice trustworthy people that would never charge as much as they can get, so why is it fair when someone comes in and pays as little as they can?
If Phil can really read cards by the pattern on the back by edge sorting, it seems to me that the casino has a responsibility to it's owners/shareholders to make sure every card single that is dealt is exactly the same. Problem solved. Cards need to have identical backs. No request otherwise.
I mean... you would think that.. that would be the standard. " All backs of cards are identical.. why should that be a problem. The casinos dealt Ivy.. an imperfect deck of cards.. he used the imperfections to his advantage and took the casinos money.
I think Phil is 100% correct in that if the casino agreed to his terms but got butt hurt when he won the money they didn't want to pay out, how in the hell can that be thought of as cheating? Seems to me the casinos are the cheats here not want to pay out his rightful winnings!! 😡
Phil is so ultra focused even during an interview. He misses nothing! That’s why he so good at poker. His mind works like no other. He’s just an incredibly talented person. He’s a savant of card playing and poker.
Fuck those casinos . They have all the odds in their favor & on the super rare occasion someone learns how to win after many years of practice they sue you or threaten you to give the money back
Update on this case: There were two lawsuits: 1) Crockfords Casino in London-In 2017, unsurprisingly lost this case. UK judge ordered that Crockfords didn't have to pay the £7.7 million ($12.1 million). 2) Borgata Casino in Atlantic City, New Jersey-In 2016, lost this case. Judge ordered Ivey to pay $10 million/$10.1 million. In 2020 (last year) Both Ivey and Borgata settled out of court for an undisclosed sum. Don't gamble. Casinos use mathematical models and calculations to favor themselves at your wallet's expense. They have the resources and the rules (and laws) favor them. If you do go, intend to lose all of your money.
I actually do think that all the advantages they gave him would be considered cheating in a sense. However they agreed to give him those advantages so they played themselves.
They agreed to permit him and his collusionist their request. They didn't agreed to allow him and her to win by cheating. They were not agreeing to cheating or card sorting.
@@Str8Faced But you do know don'y you that it was Mr. Ivey trying to sue (got mad) Crocfords Casino. So a flawed augment if you are trying to imply the Casino operators were the mal-contents. In fact Mr. Ivy lost his High Court Case as well so as the loser he had to pay plus he had to pay the court costs. So you can imagine how not mal-content they were to see him paying their costs as well. If you told me what your cards were then got mad at me for using that information to win. I may still think you are a mad poker player. But I likely would not tell you I thought you were mad. I likely wouldn't care if your brains were frying with red rage. If you were honest at the door then you are over eighteen and as an adult you would be entitled to be treated as an adult unless you prove you are not entitled. But you are not entitled to free mental health care or free psychological assistance or free education in the Casino from me unless you were going to do some-thing really stupid or dangerous such as fall out of the window or sit on the stove hot burner. If it was just you and I in the pot then you are allowed to tell me what you have. If I had pocket twos and the pot was getting bigger I may ask you to show me one card and if you do you would only have to pay 50% of the next bet to win the pot if your cards beat mine. But I would not tell you I had pocket twos. But house rules here are if there is a third party in the hand you may not then tell your hand unless you are prepared to forfeit your share of the pot. As acting out of turn or abusing by revealing results in the forfeiture penalty. You forfeiting your money does not make us mad. The more and bigger the merrier.
Str8Faced It’s not cheating at all in a sense. Imagine fighting me in a fighting game, and we agree to put a handicap. Then I cry about it, call you a cheat, and take you to court.
Yeah I have to 100% agree with this mans logic. Casinos are 100% allowed to tip the odds in their favor as long as they don't break the law to do so. He made a request to tip the odds in his favor, they granted the request, and he won... A saying I hate, but applies... "What is good for the goose is good for the gander."
UPDATE: Ivey lost the lawsuit in the UK. The judge said he "manipulated the casino into unknowingly giving him an advantage." But the casino sure doesn't complain when I play a game without knowing the rules, thereby, giving them an even greater advantage than the game should have. "I DIDN'T KNOW! GIVE OUR MONEY BACK!" smh
I definitely side with Ivey on this one. He specified the type of deck he wanted to use and wanted to use the same deck throughout. If the casinos were too dumb to see the red flags and acquiesce to the requests, that's on them, IMO.
Matthew Wyman That’s right fire the morons. When Ivy wired the casino 3 million they thought he was going lose!!!! The casino had their agreement so did ivy. They are not as smart as ivy. The casinos are their to take your money. !!! I hate the Bogota. I like Harrahs
The casinos are there to take your money, but they have to realize without some winners, there would be no players at all. I used to count cards around town including the Four Queens, and took about 5 years away from the game. When I came back, within ten minutes, they had me identified and (surprisingly enough) dismissed the dealer to go to the break room and bring back his replacement, a magician who could make the cards dance and do anything he wanted. That dealer proceeded to shuffle up any time I bet more than 5 dollars.
@@ninjanizzle yea, even when they loose. I hear stories of slot jackpots being won and casinos getting their money back. Corrupted to the core, such a shame.
But he lost in courts: In August 2012, Ivey was reported to have won £7.3 million (approx. $11 million) playing Punto Banco at Crockfords, a casino in London, but was refused payment beyond his initial £1 million stake due to Ivey's use of edge sorting.[31] Ivey issued a statement through his lawyers denying any misconduct: "Any allegations of wrongdoing by Crockfords are denied by me in the very strongest of terms."[32] In April 2014, The Borgata Casino in Atlantic City sued Ivey claiming he cheated at baccarat by taking advantage of a defect in the manufacturing of the playing cards.[33] Both Crockfords and the Borgata used the same kind of playing cards, manufactured by Gemaco. The Borgata is suing Gemaco as well as Ivey.[34][35] On October 8, 2014, a UK court held that the techniques Ivey used at Crockford's constituted cheating and decided for the casino with costs.[36][37] On November 29, 2015, it was reported that Ivey had been given permission to appeal after a judge found that his case raised an important question of law and had ‘a real prospect of success’.[38] On November 3, 2016, his appeal was dismissed by the Court of Appeal, upholding the earlier decision that the technique amounted to cheating.[39] A further appeal to the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom led to a unanimous judgement delivered on October 25, 2017 which found in favour of the casino. The court concluding that Ivey's actions constituted cheating and that, had it been necessary to make a finding on dishonesty, it would have determined that Ivey's "conduct was dishonest".[40][41][42] In January 2019, a federal judge allowed the Borgata to pursue Ivey's assets in Nevada to recoup more than $10 million he won at the casino using edge-sorting. [43]
@@MagicManxab Look at the moron with TDS! Trump made billions before selling out, before most investors lost their asses. But you keep drooling in the corner.
@@basedbear1605 Dude you support a 74 year old man that paints his face orange and has the mental capacity of a 3rd grader. Nothing you say can cause me any pain lol
*_They will shut down your table even for a small amount of money! I was playing Black Jack in Vegas, starting with $20, and then a few hours I'm up $1,400, and that when a casino worker came to the table and shut it down? It was a full table! But I knew they were watching on the cameras._* *It pissed them off when you're making all the right calls all the time. Stop, HIt Me, Double Up, etc... and just keep winning and winning.* _In other games the house can barely beat me if I play long enough but in Black Jack, I can take the house for everything they have if I wanted to. I don't understand why more people don't understand how easy it is to beat the Black Jack Table._
Lets say if Phil lost his money - would casino return it back to him? Absolutely not! Casino having a lot of money from unprofessional players, and this is considering a very good deal! However, when a smart man beat them up - it is not good at all! They don't want to pay him! OUTRAGES!
he had to wire 3 mill to the casino up front that's why they granted his request! his conditions was to play for atleast 10 hours and he wasn't allowed to walk free with a win before then.
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Casinos accusing anyone of cheating is hilarious and the height of hypocrisy. Card counting or edge sorting is NOT cheating at all in any way, shape, or form. Casinos steal BILLIONS from MILLIONS of people and cry when someone beats them. It's sick.
Never mind that. Pay for cards that don't have glaring security failures like this.
Haha for sure. Surprised the casino even used those cards
Casinos don't steal from people!
@@andreashabeck1155 Are you being paid to say that? If not, you are worthless shill.
@@Maxbps88 how do casinos steal from people?
He took advantage of 2 stupid casinos. They wanted him in there so bad they didn’t do their research on his requests. Their fault. His money.
The House always wins and won both lawsuits
@@johnbeezley9975 . Yep, it's sad because it is clear cut who is in the right. Now and days you have to maintain a low profile in casinos.
Any advantage outside of the rules is classed as fraud and cheating. Card Counting is not illegal but marking cards is,
@@alexojideagu it's one thing to be illegal and another for him not to be criminally charged but told to give all his money back? House always wins
@@doritogoat The casinos and Ivey came to an agreement with the courts, that's why he was not criminally charged.
If he had refused a payback agreement he would have been in serious trouble. Most likely assets seized
at a minimum and a criminal record.
Who else got this in their recommended 5 years later? 👀
This Nigga oof is everywhere
Dude I just watched rounders a couple hours ago. Ha ha ha
Me lol
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Yuuuuupp!!!
Total disgrace how Phil basically lost both these cases. Amazing that courts would uphold the whims of borderline criminal casinos while actively punishing an intelligent player who broke NO law.
Someone was on the take .. . Wouldnt be the judge would it?
He lied. He based his request on false 'superstitious' reasoning. Casinos are run by crooks, you shouldn't go, doesn't mean this guys isn't a narcissistic, lying, thief.
He ran a scam and the Casino called foul. If things like this were ruled for the player casinos would not offer these types of bets. Thats the reason its a good set of rulings.
Basically why I don’t gamble and RNI on 1 arm bandit is computer generated and bitch when massive win pops up
I’m sorry but he’s foolish if he thought the American justice system wasn’t completely corrupted. You don’t think they can sway a federal judge who can’t be fired on issues that don’t really mean shit, like this one.
I guess it's ok when the casinos cheat you out of your life savings but when a man out smarts them it's cheating lol.
@Kc gunz actually kind child the casino odds are set against you from the beginning
yep
The casino doesn't cheat you lol, you know what the game is and you are a grown up person, you can freely decide not to participate in it. Of course Phil did nothing wrong either, but stop playing a victim when there is none.
Exactly
If you walk into any casino and put your life savings, or any amount of money, down on the table, you are actively taking a chance that you may not walk out with that money. Don't blame the casino.
Illegal or not doesn’t matter. The casinos agreed to his requests. They made their own beds.
Dug their own graves
You bet there’s a minimum/maximum now when he enters at any casino.the word is out.if there’s casino who identifies him entering then lets him sets the rules out front then the casino has only themselves to blame because this guy already know the odds beforehand.
yeah, but in the end both Casinos get their money back and Ivey lost both law suits
They are not very good with loosing money
Dan did Ivey really lose both suits? That’s insane.
@@joeventre9357 jes the borgata couldn't get his money because he moved money offshore, but it's seizing all the money he wins In American tournaments.
Casinos offer free alcohol so you can make bad decisions. Isn't that cheating?
yeah🐝💸🐝💸🐝💸🐝
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Yes. casinos are ruthless. People please don't bet what you can't lose.
They dont force feed it into peoples throats, lol.
No kidding. Don't blame casinos because you lose a lot of money, blame the person who's losing that money.
The way the courts treated Ivey actually pisses me off to no end. Dude won fair and square. The casino agreed to everything he asked for. He simply played smart and won. The court system in both the UK and in America FUCKED HIM over big time.
The judge were paid
@@brianmayabella5992 *Oh heck yeah! You bet they were. Probably 2 million buck each and the casino get their 20 million back so it was worth it to them.*
Money > the law. The little guy never wins.
@@radicalrick9587 might have just paid them the full 20 million or more in bribes but no the precident is set and they can point at this case in the future if anyone tries this again. if they are losing 20 million anyways may as well literally change law for their benefit.
Big fucks small - smh
They agreed to his request, and they knew what he was doing. They didn't think his 5-6% advantage was going to net him 20 million in winnings. They rolled the dice, just like he did. He's just a phenomenal player, and he outsmarted the casino's. Game over.
Yeah, the casinos just trying to freeroll Phil. If they win they say nothing, if phil win they sue so to get the money back lol. The casino could just decline phils request lol fking slimy
too bad he lost the case in the end
Brilliant right on Phil just out smarted them period
"It is an offence, under section 42 of the UK Gambling Act, to cheat at gambling or do anything for the purpose of enabling or assisting another person to cheat at gambling. A gambler can be considered to be committing an offence of cheating even if they do not win anything or improve their chances of winning anything by engaging in the activity."
@@alexojideagu completely different story if he would have just told them "I don't know what you're talking about." Him actually admitting it, is what made him lose the case. Stick to your guns and take their money. "Speculation" doesn't win them anything.
110% agree w Phil Ivey. Casinos agreed to the terms, Ivey did too...its on them. Pay up, sore losers.
well, he lost his money in court because they said edge sorting is cheating as well.
Indeed, the courts determined that such action as requesting a specific brand of playing cards amounts to cheating. Shame he lost on appeal in both cases.
He should not have lost... that is amazing to me. These casinos agreed to the terms... Sounds like some judges got payed off.
@@ianbowline404 as much as I would have loved the casinos to lose the case, that in turn would mean casinos would be allowed to use edge sorting as well.
back in the day they would take a hammer to your hand and give you no money
He asked for a specific deck and the same one used all the time, and they didnt get it? The greedy mutts deserved to get taken. GO Phil!
If Phil would of lost 20 Million with the same cards. The house wouldn't give it back.
ikr, nothing suspicious about this at all, let him play and spend $ pampering him while he robs us.
Pete Watts they do anything for the people that put in tons of money. These places just didn’t realize that they were actually losing.
They got caught by the one factor a regular player gets caught by - greed.
but there playing 9 so theres only a few cards he is interested in?
Let just say: if a player wins money your a cheater, but if a player loses he’s a gambler
Either way its a lose lose situation
No, if a player wins money _by edge sorting_ then the casinos claim he's a cheater.
You just got to love Phil Ivey for beating the casino's with pure intellect.
He became known as “the black kid who plays poker all day long”.
Catchy.
Lmao
😂😂
i call him the Ace of Spades
Terence Flynn 😆
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How do you "cheat" casinos ?
-You can come into our establishment, but you can't use your brain...it's against the rules!
Essentially. That's all counting cards is, using your brain. But if you're too obvious they'll ban you.
WIN
If you win you cheated.
I stopped going to casinos years ago simply because I am an Eidetiker.
@@jorceshaman only works in blackjack. They use 4 decks but always play at full table. The rest is common sense to me. Im up a lot on the casino on blackjack.
Everyone who has felt violated leaving a casino with empty pockets is rooting Ivey on!!.
A Robin Hood of sorts!!
robin hoods are the shit. i watched a dude who robbed a bank earlier and him and his accomplices threw the money out his window while on pursuit 1-2 grand at a time til they had no money left and the pursuit ended. The neighborhood loved him. Straight up legend
Would be better to take personal responsibility for your actions so you don't repeat the same mistake. Don't blame the bottle for your drinking problem.
I work as a pit boss, and Phil is absolutely right. He did nothing illegal. Those casinos were just outright irresponsible in agreeing to his requests.
whats a good way of getting my foot in the door for something like that? Im a really big dude so i feel like that might help
Did he win those lawsuits?
I remember reading about it.
I didn't think he cheated...if the Casino is too stupid to do their home work...that's on them.
The only thing that sounds sketchy is the setup with the dealer. It sounded like he was doing some kind of colluding with the dealer. If he colluded with the dealer to get some kind of advantage, that's probably illegal. It really depends on why he wanted a dealer that was speaking mandarin and whatever was involved in the conversation. Was there some kind of bribe agreement here? If so, that'd definitely be a problem.
Beyond that, the casino knows what it's doing when it lets him have a specific style of deck and shuffler. The casino agreed to the terms and they're stuck with the result.
@@taragnor it was obviously so his asian partner could ask to turn the card in mandarin to not arise suspicion on the day.
@@cluelessbeekeeping1322 Google his name
Isn’t that ironic the casino calling him a cheat
Remember the house can let you play or they can make you go. The house makes the rules of who they will do business with. They always have the ultimate hand it that regard.
Moral of the story. Dont gamble
👌🏽👌🏽👌🏽😂😂😂 RIGHT ABOUT THAT
There's nothing ironic about it. Casinos offer you very long odds to make money. You're free to stay home if you like, but if you hit upon a miracle they WILL pay you. Real casinos keep it as honest as humanly possible in order to let you feel "safe" betting your mortgage payment on a million to one chance. Perfectly honest, just a really, really terrible idea. There's no irony here.
So can I sue the casino for taking my money after I feel embarrassed? No, so the moral of the story is AS LONG AS THE CASINO BREAKING YOU ITS COMPLETELY FINE!!!!!!
For anyone wondering it looks like he lost both of those cases. He had to settle in court for 10million and lost the case in England. Glad to know the legal system just loves to protect the stupid and wrong corpos rather then the smart successful man.
Yeah it nearly destroyed him.. and it was 100% wrong. Just another proof that the system is rigged.. and I don't mean the casinos, everyone knows they're rigged.
England is crooked & racist!
@@dalenfusaro3024 LMFAO
He had a decent case, but his opponents were too big. I'd truly be surprised and interested to learn about people that took on a casino in court and still feel like they won today.
@@dalenfusaro3024 England is where the devils dwell
To anyone wondering - phil Ivey lost the case in both the US and the UK. He never got paid in the UK, and was asked to pay back the money to the borgata. However, the casino wired his $10mil he made to a Mexican account - so the money couldn’t be directly returned. The borgota would then go on to take future winnings of ivey’s - essentially meaning he would play poker without a prize.
This got a lot of backlash from the gambling community.
The borgota tried to seize ivey’s assets in Nevada as repayment, but that didn’t work out and Ivey ended up filing an appeal - which reached an unknown settlement. No one knows if he repaid his $10mil to the casino or not
Wow, thanks for the in depth explanation. I’m glad he’s still alive as I was going to search the obits. Scary stuff to be even accused of gambling theft.
All people in the know say he was completely innocent but both courts disagreed. Strange
@@jacksparrow8932 I agree, if the casino agreed to his demands - he shouldn't be considered cheating. His only problem was that he went up against an establishment with a lot of money and a lot of power - and unfortunately our court systems favor the rich
@Audio and whips hey bro can you send me $100 please
@@esdrasmanrique6457 shit can he send me $100K
“If I make a request and the house grants it, then how can that be cheating ?”
Especially considering that the casinos were well aware of who Phil Ivey was.
A player is obligated to tell the dealer is there is a defect in the cards.
@@sludge4125 All casinos were and are well aware of this ‘playing the turn’ technique and that many card decks are flawed because of a mistake during the cutting process at the manufacturing plant.
They agreed to Phil Ivey’s demands in spite of that.
@@michaelterry1000 Lots of undocumented horseshit in your post.
@sam ludman Read Robert’s Rules of Order.
@@sludge4125 Is Phil Ivey under arrest for cheating?
NO
Is Phil Ivey even under threat of being arrested for cheating?
NO
If someone like me is well aware that not all backsides of playing cards are identical, is it safe to also assume that the casinos are aware of it?
YES
Did the casino agree to, and control the playing cards when Phil Ivey played?
YES
If a player is obliged to tell the dealer that there is a defect in the playing cards, let me go on record right now and tell ALL of the casinos in the world, that the backsides of many card decks are not identical because of a mistake during the cutting process at manufacturing plants.
Casinos are the cheaters
They don’t like being outsmarted, so this guy cheated
He’s a master of his craft
Pay him and move on
JASON MORRIS exactly. Nothing but sour grapes. The casino knew who they were dealing with but they thought they could beat him and take his money. Don’t go crying now that you lost. Bitch asses
yea if u somehow manage to win u cheated haha, as ur not meant to win big as far as theyre concerned. i checked wiki and it seems both casinos won their lawsuits against him.
@@ninjanizzle Yea, as someone who doesn't gamble, it is kinda annoying. This guy outsmarted them both, and didn't technically cheat. They are only crying cause they lost. So I go in there and lose, can accuse them of of cheating me and sue and get my money back? Why the double standard?
@@jamesb.9472 He broke no laws you moron.
james b
The judges are corrupt and got paid off !
Don’t hate the players baby
Hate the game
There are no implied rules in gambling. It's the casino's responsibility to make sure the hardware is honest. If they use cards with flaws it's on them.
Do u think if he lost the $3 mill they would have a problem with him? GTFOH
no
Of course, not!
"does race matter in poker?"
"No the only color I see in poker is green"
Hahaha whatta legend
Legend has it, Phil still hasn't blinked
If he won by memorizing little tiny dots on the edges of cards they should pay double lol..thats impressive shit man
He did not memorize anything, he got the dealer to orientate the good cards in one way and the bad cards the other way.
@@raymurrayie be
raymurrayie How did he get the dealer to do that? Are you saying the dealer was working with him?
@@KingofallHacks this is not true, although that's what the other poster was implying, what ivey did was have the dealer orientate cards so he could see them better
Inhalin1514 best fucking quote on here
Give the guy the money. Swallow your pride and learn from it. Phil did what he does best. Good luck Phil.
Casinos are little mafia shits, if mafia loose money, they worry and hunt.
Sadly in las vegas corpses with this talent are buried every day.
Well said, Mr. Jefferson
The casino agreed to all of Phil's terms and conditions in order to give him what he believed to be an edge and again the casino agreed to it. Withholding of Phil's winnings is damaging enough to the casino's reputation because other casual gamblers may avoid them. My advice to the casino would be to get some Aspercream with Lidocaine, apply it to their anal area and get over the butt hurt! They surely brought this upon themselves. As an aside, before this video, I never even heard of a gambler named Phil Ivey!
Ivey lost both the court cases........
Raincentral003 Unless there's more to the story the courts made a mistake.
As high-limit gaming manager at The Venetian in Las Vegas for 11 years, I dealt with Phil Ivey many times. Very cool guy. He would lose $1mil in less than an hour on a crap table. As far as this case; the second I heard about it I said basically everything the game protection guy in this video said. These two casinos either got greedy or had very weak table games managers because they never should have agreed to Phil's requests. Since they did; the only thing they could do after that was label him an "Advantage Player" and not let him play again. Phil needs a lawyer and a judge who understands gaming because he should be able to keep his winnings.
The only advantaged players casinos want are themselves.
11 years, what was the time period?
@@g..._anthony27 '99 to 2010 why?
You ever seen him win a lot of money ?
@@michaeldoyle4922 I'd be more interested in knowing why you left !! 😜
This is disgusting,
Ivey outsmarted these guys and they went and cried to their mommies. Its their reputations which have been blackened.
And, an 'implied' contract isnt worth the paper that it's not written on!
@Garrett A The American casino settled so Ivey won. The British weren't about to let a Black yank bust their racket publically.
The man dan bilzerian wishes he could be
This is literally the fake story dan made up and how he got his millions...
Best comment ever
Mandarin
I hate dan bilzerian can’t stand him.
...who?
This smart man outsmarted the casinos....pay the man.....
He did not get paid his winnings, the courts ruled against him. I wonder if he atleast got his buy in back. Can anyone tell?
@@APARAJITMUSIC he got his stake back but he did not get his winnings from the london casino, and bargata are in the process of taking his luxury items to pay for the 10mil they paid him
casino outsmarted ivey. They freerolled him because he tried to cheat by edgesorting
Pay that man hees money
@@james6870love that ol malkovich
His game starts as soon as he grabs the chair. “How many hands did I miss?” He doesn’t care how many hands he missed. He wants to know who’s paying that close of attention to the game, and encourage fan boys to start talking. Most people will play more aggressively towards him because they want to have that story of busting a pro.
If the casinos were stupid enough to let him dictate the rules in which he was playing then how the hell can they sue him?
This will make a great movie. I vote Denzel plays Phil.
I agree
Nah, I propose Cuba GJ
Yeah, Cuba Gooding Jr. would also be a great candidate but Denzel has that way of playing the edgy character that Phil portrays sometimes. The “my way or the highway” attitude. Gooding is a great actor as well.
foredamusic Yeah, he is a bit too old now to play a young man’s role.
@foredamusic Phil is actually 42. Use that google machine sometime, bruh.
Yeah, the casinos should pay him, also how the hell can you identify cards defects like that he must have eagle eyes and photography memory.
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Photography memory? I can take pictures of the back of each card in the deck and I would still forget them hahaha phil ivey out played them and they're crying about their money. It's phil's money...haha
you only need to identify 25 percent of the deck to easily control, even less if you make safe bets till you can make mega bets
How To Make Sushi Bro I see you everywhere lol. Gonna start leaving a comment every time I see one of yours.
He probably didnt find it out himself.
But he is famous enough that a casino would agree to all his requests that otherwise would make a casino suspicious if any other person would do these requests.
So if there is 1 clever person anywhere on the world , he can get the information, "maybe" pay that person some nice money for the informations and just check on some casinos if they fall for the scam.
Literally genius. From the conditions, to the edge sorting, to the HAVING HIS PARTNER AND A DEALER THAT SPOKE MANDARIN SO THAT HE COULD GET CARDS TURNED SO THEY WOULD BE EASIER TO READ AFTER GOING THROUGH THE SHUFFLE MACHINE.... absolute legend. Sometimes I think I'm pretty intelligent, and then people like this come along and just blow my mind
And of course the interviewer plays the race card ! 🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂
@@dankelly5150 He didn't play the race card. He simply asked if race is an issue in that world. Ivy said no and the interviewer moved on. If he was interviewing a woman, he would have asked if gender was an issue in that world. It's a fair question to ask especially when someone is the minority in an industry. Bye.
@@MrBeatboxmasta wrong. It’s silliness embedded so deeply into American culture that you think it normal.
@@MeatLockerBlitz Let me ask you something. Do you think reverse racism exists?
Dude has a poker face even when he’s not gambling 👏🏻👏🏻
Rather poker face than poke his... xD
You mean when he's lying
@@FIVE-0-APOCALYPTO Na that's 80% a her face because it is 80% of women filing for divorce.
@@alecfleming3213 I was addressing Anthony g
@@FIVE-0-APOCALYPTO So was I...
So let me get this right ... If Phil Ivey had lost all of his money the casino's would have given Phil all his money back cos he was'nt smart enough to beat them
Hahaha no doubt!
The casinos gladly take your money
But when have to payout
They throw a big tantrum!
There should be a risk of doubling the money if the casino starts suing the winner so they don't retardedly start wasting everyone's time after someone wins fair and square.
I totally agree , and the fact that the whole world now knows that they are looking for Phil to pay back money they lost to these " marked " cards ... will this casino also name the people that they owe to because of these damaged cards ??
These 2 casino's that are suing Phil are basically saying to Phil and more importantly to all the big gamblers that come their doors .... " You are NOT a cheat if you lose all your money here but you ARE a cheat if you win " . Be careful where you go with you money !!!!
Legend has it, Phil still hasn't blinked
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13:07
So he blinks once every 400 seconds, did I get ot right?
he sleeps with both eyes open 😳
4:16
It’s mind-blowing that casinos who make billions would impose rules that are designed to prevent a level playing field, ie, give the player as much an opportunity to win money as the casino has to take the money from the player. If edge sorting is a known problem, then have cards specifically manufactured to eliminate the edge sorting issue!! Jeez, it’s stupid. They act like he is drawing cards off the bottom of the deck!!
Casinos are fucked up. They take everyone's money but have the right to withhold your money if you win a lot and/or sue you. wtf
Josh Carter they take your money but you can take theirs. If you walk in do 1 bet win and leave they can't do anything. They can only stay in business knowing they have a statistical advantage, when you take that away, you're going to go out of business.
Chase Merritt Well then they are fucked. How can you say if you are a better player than our dealers and know all the 'shortcuts' in the game then we won't pay you.
Then let them go out of business! That's how capitalism is supposed to work, I'm sick of all these safety nets for big corporations. If you fuck up, you exit the gene pool.
LordNasor I would let them go out of business if it were up to me. I don't gamble and damn sure wouldn't at a casino. I would play friends or at places where it's fair. Unfortunately millions of people every year spend their life savings in these casinos and keep them running. They won't ever go out of business.
Your premise is flawed. People go to casinos and play games built to give no expectation of winning over time. They do not take, that would be stealing and illegal.
"does race matter in poker?"
"No the only color I see in poker is green"
Hahaha whatta legend
As long as you have an Asian dealer everything will be fine ;)
Goes on to get a Asian dealer lol
I don’t even under stand why they have to ask a question like that it has nothing to do with the video
David pelkey got to try and pull the race card somehow
Proof white privilege doesn't exist.
When he brought up being black Phil had the absolute best answer. No bullshit no skirting the answer just said nope.
Jason Becker he said not in poker. That was his answer. In poker they only see green.
jetshockey5 Yeah what an idiot, you tell him
Damn, he lost both of the lawsuits. Well, he settled with Borgata.
😦
That's so damn disgusting even if you take the money from casino, they are just to damn powerful for you to keep it... That's how the world works you can not take anything from the big guys, but if it other way around.....
@@Klaudaslt Yeah, I don't get it. He did NOT cheat. They agreed to everything. He only did "advantage play". That is NOT cheating. That is being a smart gambler.
Just seems so odd he lost them. But, I am sure a nice dono was made to campaigns.
@@urmaker just another case of Sour Grapes!! As much money as those casinos bring in daily, paying their debts should be no problem! But the Greedy just want more and more!!
Casinos aren't in the business of gambling. That's for suckers. :)
Q: “Has race been a factor at all?”
A: “No, not in poker. In poker, the only color they see is green.”
This guy deserves everything he has, incredible personality and no excuses. Brilliant mind.
I heard being a girl helps in poker as guys play differently against girls
Ivey is such a boss. He doesn’t pull any punches, he just dominates.
Louis Franco wait, for real?!
Louis Franco That has nothing to do with it 🤦🏻♂️
@@LouisGFranco How does that make being black a factor?
if this was cheating then being smart is cheating as well. Imagine the classroom of the future, teacher: "ok class, I give you three numbers, and you tell me what comes next, ready? let's go: 1, .. 4, .. 7, ... so what number comes after 7? little lisa screams: 8! little jimmy shoots out: 10!! - teacher: that's right jim--..and gets interrupted by lisa: cheater!
Ivy just discovered a pattern, and made a profit of it. The tools to help him discover that pattern were even granted him by the casinos, such a clear case. Discovering patterns and making profits of them is one basic pillar of all our economies throughout history, makes us human, calling that cheating is ridiculous
really want to know how the cases go for ivy
+naturecollision watch this: ua-cam.com/video/tSYnvffAkr4/v-deo.html
I agree that in MY book, ivey didn't cheat but played smart. But in CASINO rules, it's cheating. Before playing a casino, you indirectly agree that it's a gambling game and they have an edge on you. For example if you go to vegas, counting cards at blackjack is illegal and casinos can sue you and take you to jails for that. Even if you're smart, it's still cheating to THEM.
It's not illegal to count cards. It does give the player the advantage so when a casino sees it, they tell the player they won't take their bets any more. But the player can not be arrested for it and a casino can't sue a player for doing it. All they can do is refuse your business.
SonTerrific Trust me it is illegal in most casinos, they won't arrest you because they can't but they'll kick you out and won't pay you.
They can't arrest you because it isn't illegal. Just saying that your original comment was wrong in saying it's illegal and someone can be arrested for doing it. You just said they can't be arrested. Illegal means there's a crime commited, which counting cards is definitely not a crime.
I 100% agree with Phil Ivey. All the rules they decided prior to that were fully agreed on by both parties. If Phil Ivey is doing anything wrong here then all rigged gambling in favor of the casino is equally wrong.
@Charlie oh cmon, I won't get into an argument over words definition, that's just silly. We all know those machines pays in favor of the casino. Sure all the info is available to the player however all the efforts are put into games making you believe you could win big amount. It's not because the game follow GLI rules that it ain't wrong or rigged. I programmed slot machines for over 15 years and trust me the efforts to circumvent rules and regulations are insane.
@Charlie just look at class2 casino games...That's slot machine disguised into so called bingo game, although it is perfectly legal, this is deception at it's purest level just to circumvent the law. Wake up to the real world where it's not just rainbow and unicorn. Since casinos are allowed to do this to people, they deserve to get their own deceiving medicine...
All games in the casino are known to have a house advantage and people willingly agree, The casino didnt know that Ivey was using these cards for cheating and reading them otherwise they would have never agreed.
@Charlie It was a form of cheating, in my opinion. They didnt figure it out until he left, and of course they are going to settle it in court. If Phil was reading the back of card without having requested a certain type of cards then I would say its just an advantage if it was the casino's card and Phil hadnt asked for them knowing what he was going to do, but he intended obviously to get them to have certain type of cards so he could have a signifcant advantage without the casino's knowledge, to me thats cheating.
@@Marcv1285 so the casino try and rig the slot machines, by the way, which slot machines are the best to play.
He’s a master at his craft and still mastering the craft!
10:38 - "I requested an Asian dealer" - this guy plays baccarat in 5 dimensions
@Wary of Extremes what's the point of talking to the dealer though?
@@alexlloyd2154 to loosen them up and extract information to gain an advantage.
In my experience (which is small) dealers are cool people. So to be outside China and be able to speak your native tongue in a foreign country, that would definitely loosen the dealer up. Imagine what you could do if you could speak a secret language to the dealer...
he was able to request the cards turnt a certain way by his adain partner in mandarin
He is correct. The game is very popular with Asian people and almost every time I have played I had a Asian dealer for that game. It’s a great game. I have won big bucks and lost big in a hurry. But it’s fun playing. It’s more fun to me then blackjack for sure. But you need to learn all the rules before you play for sure
He walked in that casino like he about to drop 50 points in the nba
Charles Doss 😭😭😭
Lol
nah.. he was going for 60 on those cats... ended up dropping 80 like kobe hahahah
This was way more impressive than playing basketball
Charles Doss 😂😂😂
The casino's legal way of playing against them is to have zero advantage against them. Basically anyone who can beat them is cheating, they're not supposed to be beat.
Card counting is not illegal. You will get kicked out of the casino but it is not illegal.
kicked out for what?
you cant just kick ppl out,, you need a good reason,,
How is card counting cheating? You don't use a device. You don't mark cards. You don't pay of the dealer. You just use your mind in your advantage. That's not cheating. That's being clever.
Casinos can refuse to take bets for any reason. just like bartenders can refuse to serve.
Sorry, they agreed to ALL his requests. Therefore they gave him their money, thinking they could take his money.
Fair game.
And maybe the casinos should invest in better cut cards.
Soooooo They agreed to his terms, he wired them money...THEY LOST!! and Then sued him!??! How is that right?
Uhmm, explain to me if you will sherlock, how it is possible to shoot yourself twice in the head. It's people like you, who give...wait a sec...@
@Random Person it is you who can't read between the lines... read again what he said and read the ending twice... he put in a little joke too... made it sound like he was talking :) numnuts
shut yo ass up
@@heartofjustice6041 LMFAO
That shit is proof how foul casinos are especially to their simple every other day gamblers.
Casinos do this to ANY successful player. Also, what a horrible crappy job 60 minutes did...they did not even talk about how the casinos do this very often to successful players.
they have a black book of players that beat them card counting ,thats not cheating its using youre brain .and facial recognition software that they put on a database, no problem ruining people who arent succesful but thet defame anyone who wins to much . completely right you are
@saintquinn007 they never will because they don'thave to, they know you have an edge and they don't want anyone with even a 1% chance over the house to be on their property.
Eventually you're stuck at private games or in his case putting light on casinos because they basically so they can't say no or lose "huuuge" lol business.
Welcome to impartiality. I think almost ANYONE will side with Ivey - but 60 Minutes leave it to the viewer to decide if they agree or not. This isn't a bug, it's THE feature of news.
Its called 60 minutes for a reason... this is only 15 minutes
If he did anything illegal he'd be in criminal court, the very fact that this is not in Criminal Court already tells the tale
illegal doesn't mean criminal, it's a civil case.
Casino’s need to stop crying about Phil. They take millions from people every day.
The Casinos hire cheaters to identify other cheaters. So who's the real scumbags?
Answer: The Casino
"Scam" being a derogatory term coming from casinos is fucking rich.
When casinos win, they win, when they lose, they win
Fr did u see that one where that lady won on slots but they said the computer malfunctioned and offered her a steak dinner
@@dlumbreras90 I hated that story. Casinos scam people
@@dlumbreras90 thatwas terrible
A bit like the old warning against doing business with certain people : “What is mine is mine; what is yours is negotiable.”
respect to Ivey
+Peter Pi watch this: ua-cam.com/video/tSYnvffAkr4/v-deo.html
thx
+Peter Pi
you meant *RESPEK*
The fact that Phil Ivey not only lost this case but also is forced to pay the Borgata $10.1M is absurd!
Ridiculous
Really epic journalism. They went deep and told all sides to this story. Epic!
He lost the court case. This ladies and gents is why you don't gamble. They cheat you and keep it all. You take a very small advantage and win, they still take it all.
The thing that got I've was the middle man being the Asians if it had just been Phil looking at the cards no harm no foul but when he requested an Asian dealer and had his Asian companion now u have an inside man and a sidekick communicating on your behalf too much evidence even if they did grant it to him he took the bait!!
Reference please..
@Dave Farley :Saying it over & over again might make you not feel inadequate, but sorry to bust your bubble it's not a BELIEF but a proven FACT & you can eat your heart out , IT'S A BLACK THING, hey & what have you been smoking? Even our women say so!! That alone disqualified your comment.
@Dave Farley quit living in denied dude that was the dumbest shit u could say we dominate the sports world and every white women breathing want sum BBC in there life every the racist ones get use to it🍆
even the racist ones
obviously it's not Phils fault. He beat the casino at their own game. They need to learn and deal with it. the casinos reaction makes players feel like not playing again.
+Bill Tsompanidis not playing again is what the casino wants, as a advantage player that is, on the contrary we need to become more advantageous players against the casino systems, that would really burn their bullshit and make them think deep into what they need to do to beat the players at their games...
+Jay Silva Why would any high stakes gamblers gamble at those casinos knowing they could be sued afterwards? By trying to label Phil a cheater they ruined their own reputation in the process.
+vivelajonny yo,, my man Phil Ivey.. Always got that poker face stare.. I did NOTHING wrong!! hahaha
+vivelajonny hey watch this and you realize how wrong you are, ua-cam.com/video/mm8_aeWBtCc/v-deo.html
+Jamie Simmons It's cheating if you secretly give yourself an advantage. It's not cheating if he tells the casino he would like to play with a certain shuffling machine, and they agreed. If you agree to rules without thinking them through (and I'm sure they are experts on cheating/preventing being cheated), then obviously they thought they could win and are likely angry that Phil still won.
To coin a line, "He beat [them]. Straight up. Pay him. Pay that man his money."
What? You're not hungry?
one of my favorite movies. gonna watch it right now lol
......last card coming!
I like oreos
Pahy det meihn hees mahney
Casinos are the biggest crooks in the world. If you lose a million they’re all smiles. You win a million and they kick you out.
Phil Ivey = Tiger Woods of poker.
#Respect
I call him THE KILLA ... you ever see his eyes when he's playing ? He looks stone cold... like a murderer.. but I think he's the Best
Why? Because they both have brown skin?
Lol 🤣
@Will Rich I haven't had TV for a while and that is one of the shows I miss..I enjoyed watching him and I feel sorry for anybody that has to look in his eyes when he knows he's going to steamroll right over whatever hand they have sooner or later ... I would love to be sitting there in person watching him up close... I can only imagine what the vibe is that comes off at him when he knows he's going to beat you at your game... gives me chills haha but good chills like watching a spooky movie when you know what's going to happen next.
I really wish they would put him in a movie where he's the bad guy cuz he could play that very easily
How many women did Ivy have between hands?
Racism has no effect on poker, we only see one color, green.
-ivey
On the table yes, but when you get up its back to life and reality. Mess with the whitemans money and its lawsuit. He's lucky that the mob didnt put him to death!
I don't completely agree. Race plays no part in your ability to win or lose. I have always been one of the best if not the best at majority white casinos. I was loved by a few who judged me on the content of my character and hated by many others for I'll advised reasons. I do however have a clue why I am hated.
@@alyjulmiste1880 Not trying to take away anything from your point, but just the way you implied that anyone who sees you by your character loves you, already made me dislike you.
This guy looks like he never sleeps but at the same time he also looks like he doesn’t need sleep either
He looks focus as shit lmaooo
He don’t blink for shit.!
His real name is Phil "Cullen" Ivey.
He doesn't sleep....& He has that icy look in his eyes....
I wouldn’t be able to sleep if I knew I had to beat the casino and the court to get my money especially as I put up a million in stake even before I walked into the casino. It should never have gone to court in the first place They should pay him and then bar him. But not to pay don’t look good for the casino. So if someone lost millions of pounds then won it all back then what would they get paid or not. Casinos only like losers not winners. Better not to gamble. Also how many lives have the casino ruined over the years. Millions I bet.
They have the right to refuse service, but they didn't. Gambling commission should reign down the casinos.
He cheated, but, they agreed to HIS conditions, a cheater outsmarted another cheater.
Conclusion: pay the man.
He BEYET MEE. STRAYT AAP. Paye heem, paye dat mayn hees maanee.
Teddy "KGB".
LEGEND
Not a cheater
The Institution it wasn't cheating
Both the casino and the player agreed to the terms of play........ not cheating.
exactly, regardless of the reasons for agreeing to the terms, the terms were agreed upon. obviously fair
They are
It’s just like a legally binding agreement. Even if someone doesn’t get there way they can go back to the contract in court and say right here you agreed to this.
Casinos allowed it, get fucked casinos.
Accept your losses, move on.
Phil Ivey walked on to their car dealership and out negotiated them, paid his bill and drove off with his new car and now they want to whine that he cheated them and want their car back because he out negotiated them. Everyone knows that poor defenseless car salesman are nice trustworthy people that would never charge as much as they can get, so why is it fair when someone comes in and pays as little as they can?
If Phil can really read cards by the pattern on the back by edge sorting, it seems to me that the casino has a responsibility to it's owners/shareholders to make sure every card single that is dealt is exactly the same. Problem solved. Cards need to have identical backs. No request otherwise.
I mean... you would think that.. that would be the standard. " All backs of cards are identical.. why should that be a problem. The casinos dealt Ivy.. an imperfect deck of cards.. he used the imperfections to his advantage and took the casinos money.
Ivey's partner “Queen of Sorts” Kelly Sun is the one that could read the tiniest card flaws.
I think Phil is 100% correct in that if the casino agreed to his terms but got butt hurt when he won the money they didn't want to pay out, how in the hell can that be thought of as cheating? Seems to me the casinos are the cheats here not want to pay out his rightful winnings!! 😡
Normally they are, but Ivey made them use the asymmetric cards
Phil is so ultra focused even during an interview. He misses nothing! That’s why he so good at poker. His mind works like no other. He’s just an incredibly talented person. He’s a savant of card playing and poker.
...so they sued him because he outsmarted them?
basically
Yeah, that about sums it up!
Blackman Whitesuit exactly.
Fuck those casinos . They have all the odds in their favor & on the super rare occasion someone learns how to win after many years of practice they sue you or threaten you to give the money back
Nope, they sued him because he cheated.
Update on this case:
There were two lawsuits:
1) Crockfords Casino in London-In 2017, unsurprisingly lost this case. UK judge ordered that Crockfords didn't have to pay the £7.7 million ($12.1 million).
2) Borgata Casino in Atlantic City, New Jersey-In 2016, lost this case. Judge ordered Ivey to pay $10 million/$10.1 million. In 2020 (last year) Both Ivey and Borgata settled out of court for an undisclosed sum.
Don't gamble. Casinos use mathematical models and calculations to favor themselves at your wallet's expense. They have the resources and the rules (and laws) favor them. If you do go, intend to lose all of your money.
So he lost both lawsuits? Wow that is terrible. The player protection these days is to not be a player at all, I guess.
@@zMilite 100%. And these casinos use these player's likeness to promote their venues and tables and get others to play and spend money.
Austin McCullah the money he got from antlantic city he transfered to a mexican bank so they couldnt take it
They really tried to take him for everything after he won... Its sad that these people are this greedy...
When he asked him about race and he immediately looked at him and said " No" I automatically know this person is a good man.
I actually do think that all the advantages they gave him would be considered cheating in a sense. However they agreed to give him those advantages so they played themselves.
They agreed to permit him and his collusionist their request. They didn't agreed to allow him and her to win by cheating. They were not agreeing to cheating or card sorting.
It would be like if we were playing a hand and I told you what my cards were then got mad at you for using that information to win
@@Str8Faced
But you do know don'y you that it was Mr. Ivey trying to sue (got mad) Crocfords Casino. So a flawed augment if you are trying to imply the Casino operators were the mal-contents. In fact Mr. Ivy lost his High Court Case as well so as the loser he had to pay plus he had to pay the court costs. So you can imagine how not mal-content they were to see him paying their costs as well.
If you told me what your cards were then got mad at me for using that information to win. I may still think you are a mad poker player. But I likely would not tell you I thought you were mad. I likely wouldn't care if your brains were frying with red rage. If you were honest at the door then you are over eighteen and as an adult you would be entitled to be treated as an adult unless you prove you are not entitled. But you are not entitled to free mental health care or free psychological assistance or free education in the Casino from me unless you were going to do some-thing really stupid or dangerous such as fall out of the window or sit on the stove hot burner.
If it was just you and I in the pot then you are allowed to tell me what you have. If I had pocket twos and the pot was getting bigger I may ask you to show me one card and if you do you would only have to pay 50% of the next bet to win the pot if your cards beat mine. But I would not tell you I had pocket twos. But house rules here are if there is a third party in the hand you may not then tell your hand unless you are prepared to forfeit your share of the pot. As acting out of turn or abusing by revealing results in the forfeiture penalty. You forfeiting your money does not make us mad. The more and bigger the merrier.
Str8Faced It’s not cheating at all in a sense.
Imagine fighting me in a fighting game, and we agree to put a handicap.
Then I cry about it, call you a cheat, and take you to court.
Yeah I have to 100% agree with this mans logic. Casinos are 100% allowed to tip the odds in their favor as long as they don't break the law to do so. He made a request to tip the odds in his favor, they granted the request, and he won... A saying I hate, but applies... "What is good for the goose is good for the gander."
UPDATE: Ivey lost the lawsuit in the UK. The judge said he "manipulated the casino into unknowingly giving him an advantage." But the casino sure doesn't complain when I play a game without knowing the rules, thereby, giving them an even greater advantage than the game should have. "I DIDN'T KNOW! GIVE OUR MONEY BACK!" smh
firebirdude2 That's bullshit!!!
The facts I posted? Or the ruling? Google it for yourself.
He lost his UK lawsuit because he is an American suing a british business. They want those millions to stay in their country and be taxed.
shiddy..he should have never taken that money out of the country
spot on
This guy has such a poker face, he must stare at his electric bill and win.
I’ve met Phil Ivey. What a great dude. Super humble one of the best people you can ever meet. I hope he gets his money
I definitely side with Ivey on this one. He specified the type of deck he wanted to use and wanted to use the same deck throughout. If the casinos were too dumb to see the red flags and acquiesce to the requests, that's on them, IMO.
He beat them at their own game. Awesome! Give the man his money.
no. the game involves not knowing what all the cards are and gambling.
True, but the court was wrong. I hope he appealed.
yup. fire whoever approved the requests made by ivey. and pay him! or i'll never gamble there
Matthew Wyman
That’s right fire the morons. When Ivy wired the casino 3 million they thought he was going lose!!!! The casino had their agreement so did ivy. They are not as smart as ivy. The casinos are their to take your money. !!! I hate the Bogota. I like Harrahs
The casinos are there to take your money, but they have to realize without some winners, there would be no players at all. I used to count cards around town including the Four Queens, and took about 5 years away from the game. When I came back, within ten minutes, they had me identified and (surprisingly enough) dismissed the dealer to go to the break room and bring back his replacement, a magician who could make the cards dance and do anything he wanted. That dealer proceeded to shuffle up any time I bet more than 5 dollars.
Casinos are the worst losers of all!
Sounds like he played smarter than the casino. They agreed to every request. Pay him.
If he marked the cards, then It would be cheating. The cards were already marked, so If anything the Casino should be sued by Ivey.
exactly if it was me i would sue them for not winning enough 😂, politicians will always be bought out.
according to wiki both casinos won their lawsuits against him, as they say the house always wins!
@@ninjanizzle yea, even when they loose. I hear stories of slot jackpots being won and casinos getting their money back. Corrupted to the core, such a shame.
But he lost in courts:
In August 2012, Ivey was reported to have won £7.3 million (approx. $11 million) playing Punto Banco at Crockfords, a casino in London, but was refused payment beyond his initial £1 million stake due to Ivey's use of edge sorting.[31] Ivey issued a statement through his lawyers denying any misconduct: "Any allegations of wrongdoing by Crockfords are denied by me in the very strongest of terms."[32] In April 2014, The Borgata Casino in Atlantic City sued Ivey claiming he cheated at baccarat by taking advantage of a defect in the manufacturing of the playing cards.[33] Both Crockfords and the Borgata used the same kind of playing cards, manufactured by Gemaco. The Borgata is suing Gemaco as well as Ivey.[34][35]
On October 8, 2014, a UK court held that the techniques Ivey used at Crockford's constituted cheating and decided for the casino with costs.[36][37]
On November 29, 2015, it was reported that Ivey had been given permission to appeal after a judge found that his case raised an important question of law and had ‘a real prospect of success’.[38] On November 3, 2016, his appeal was dismissed by the Court of Appeal, upholding the earlier decision that the technique amounted to cheating.[39] A further appeal to the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom led to a unanimous judgement delivered on October 25, 2017 which found in favour of the casino. The court concluding that Ivey's actions constituted cheating and that, had it been necessary to make a finding on dishonesty, it would have determined that Ivey's "conduct was dishonest".[40][41][42]
In January 2019, a federal judge allowed the Borgata to pursue Ivey's assets in Nevada to recoup more than $10 million he won at the casino using edge-sorting. [43]
Ty willett I just posted a dumbed down version of what happened since in the video comments.
Casinos are like insurance companies. They aren’t in the losing money business.
Unless the owner is Donald Trump xD
No business is in the losing money business you moron
@@MagicManxab Look at the moron with TDS! Trump made billions before selling out, before most investors lost their asses. But you keep drooling in the corner.
@@basedbear1605 Dude you support a 74 year old man that paints his face orange and has the mental capacity of a 3rd grader. Nothing you say can cause me any pain lol
@@MagicManxab hes a lot smarter than Biden to Harris or any of the dems
*_They will shut down your table even for a small amount of money! I was playing Black Jack in Vegas, starting with $20, and then a few hours I'm up $1,400, and that when a casino worker came to the table and shut it down? It was a full table! But I knew they were watching on the cameras._* *It pissed them off when you're making all the right calls all the time. Stop, HIt Me, Double Up, etc... and just keep winning and winning.* _In other games the house can barely beat me if I play long enough but in Black Jack, I can take the house for everything they have if I wanted to. I don't understand why more people don't understand how easy it is to beat the Black Jack Table._
Does this guy even blink? Lol! Legend
He always has his poker face..those talking to him are being read just in case they dare play him..
Lmao ! Classic response
He cracked twice and even laughed because he couldn't stop thinking about how the casinos fucked up.
He does seem kinda bug-eyed
Stoboranl
Lets say if Phil lost his money - would casino return it back to him? Absolutely not! Casino having a lot of money from unprofessional players, and this is considering a very good deal! However, when a smart man beat them up - it is not good at all! They don't want to pay him! OUTRAGES!
"The black kid that played poker all day long" catchy nickname 😂😂😂
Racism!
I LOLED AT THAT!
David Ortiz LoL
It’s clunky.
The exact opposite of when they call a giant guy, Tiny.
It describes him but it’s. . . It’s not personable.
David Ortiz he’s watching watching this documentary like... “what the fuck, nobody called me that” 😂
You're nickname's big papi so I wouldn't bring things like that up.
Good for him. Vegas isn’t Vegas because casinos lose. Along with other casinos. They HATE to lose money.
If the casino thought he was asking for those specific cards out of superstition then they deserve to lose their money.
they just agreed knowing they can sue if they happen to lose
@@mrcool76789 no, they agreed because they knew Phil would have to sue, in order to get was rightfully his, AND they had the courts bribed
The Casino is mad they couldn't hustle Phil Avey's money... he simply out hustled them.
They hussle millions of people and cant take 1 guy 1 upping them, pathetic.
Dana White (President of the UFC) is banned from the Palms for taking them also. 😂
WHAT kind of casino owner is going to AGREE to terms that ALLOW someone to edge-sword so easily.... This whole thing makes zero since..
+ZachShalack420 watch this: ua-cam.com/video/tSYnvffAkr4/v-deo.html
+ZachShalack420 Also, even if they recognized it, with a 5% advantage he could still loose.
+ZachShalack420 edge sword lmao
+Stimulate EU since lamo
he had to wire 3 mill to the casino up front that's why they granted his request! his conditions was to play for atleast 10 hours and he wasn't allowed to walk free with a win before then.
This is such BS!!! Casinos crying because they lost.
is it cheating when the casino takes all your money no I call bullshit
Erik Judd U lost bro? Vegas is over there -->