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Premier League has a serious problem.
Premier League has a serious problem.
Premier League has a serious problem. - Ігри
The frustrating part about this is that the media always seems to defend or give idiotic excuses for the referees incompetence.
I think some are correct, the manner of how it's been done it's incorrect, but the message is right
Especially that stupid Ref Watch segment. Its just a wank-off session for the PGMOL. The last time I recall Dermot actually criticising a poor decision was the Liverpool onside goal vs Spurs, and even then, that was a blatant poor decision
@@goldie8501 Bloody exactly, Ref Watch along the rest of the output of Sky Sports News just boils my piss. Instead of being balanced and impartial they have their own blatant agendas and also want to drive their own narrative in our faces.
Sky and the FA effectively launched the PL back in 1992, The FA, EFL and PL own the PGMOL. It's not really that difficult to see why that's the case
Media are nothing but corporate stooges. Worthless trash.
The fact that there was better use of the VAR in the last African cup of nations than in the premier league is a huge slap in the face of the premier league
AFCON is a beautiful competition aswell
I’m a the only one who thinks that this comment undermines the abilities of referees in the caf scene but I get it lol
Prem is supposed to be the best league in the world yet there are some of the worst decisions you will see in all of your life
@@afroblox938 tbf to the comment, during the 2021 AFCON there were a lot of refereeing shenanigans so the reputation of the confederation suffered for it lol.
Umm because AFCON is a great international tournament???
I can't speak for the whole tournament but I watched a fair few matches from AFCON and the officiating was on point (and some of those games were bonkers). Either that or it's so bad in the Prem that simply competent officiating seems stellar in comparison.
The officiating in the PL is so embarrassing considering on how much money is involved. We are laughing stock to other leagues around the world because we always brag on how good league yet we can’t even get the most basic refereeing decisions correctly.
I just think it should be scrapped, it’s causing more damage and more controversy which is the direct opposite of what it was brought in for
@@Vizeh dont hate the system, hate the ppl handling the system
@@felixmustermann790 Yeah same. The concept isn't that bad, but in practice everyone always makes terrible decisions.
@@VizehThe only thing that needs scrapping is PGMOL and English monopoly on refereeing in the premier league. They are simply not good enough. Just bring in international referees. The standard of refereeing will improve as they won't be best friends with everyone else in the premier league. English media won't be scared to call out their mistakes because they won't be English, and the problem of being a fan of a certain club won't be an issue anymore. If they don't want them running around on the pitch just make them VARs. Same things apply and they won't do everything to protect the ref on the pitch and explain his mistakes.
I watch a lot of Serie A as well as the PL and hate to say it but Italian officiating is just as bad, if not worse. It just no longer gets any mention since Napoli/Inter have been winning the league and the "referees protecting Juventus" narrative has lost steam, but the reality on the ground is still horrible.
I reckon the game just goes too fast nowadays for most human referees, particularly seeing how those in the Premier League are often... chubby and not fit to follow the pace of the game. There will need to be AI officiating at some point.
VAR seems to consistently make the worst decisions possible, it honestly ruins the competitive value of the Premier League
Absolutely
Forest never said it was corruption.
Forest went to the PGMOL and said that the var is a Luton fan and that they don’t think it’s a good idea. Because stuff like this can happen. It’s just using common sense, Don’t put a Luton fan on the biggest relegation game of the season.
You're playing semantics mate, Forest using the fact that the VAR official was a Luton fan is there directly to cause debate and question corruption and unbias towards them. That's why they put that in the statement.
@@Vizeh it’s pure stupidity from the PGMOL to put themselves in that situation, and of course it’s going to be put in the statement, because it was previously raised by forest that it could be an issue
@@Vizeh Forest are well within their rights to challenge the integrity of the league, and the referee's. It's down to the League and the PGMOL to prove their integrity. It's like respect, it's not simply given but earned, what has the PL done to be so above being questioned?
@@MasterIceyy
The PL proving their integrity??? Lol nahhhhh they rather rig games in their favor and whoever yells “CORRUPTION” will get ignored
As someone who watches college football, and knows that major referee decisions often come from a state in which a rival team is in, often by a fan of that team, and is often wrong and biased in favor of that team.
What are the odds the VAR dude is actually a Luton fan?
Manchester City are the only team that can’t complain to be fair
Tottenham man city? last minute of the game, Simon Hooper Plays the advantage to Haaland being fouled then he plays a through ball to Grealish who is one-on-one then the ref brings it back for the foul. (btw i support West ham not man city)
@@Silistel I am talking in terms of VAR
@@Silistel With both the Liverpool and City matches, i saw a lot of people (Liverpool and City fans mainly) saying that Liverpool should have been given 3 points as would City but the problem is no one knows what would have happened with either match. It was so early on that the outcome cant be judged because its impossible to be 100% that Liverpool would've won and with the City one while i agree that Haaland would have scored and won the match but whats to say Davies doesn't dive into his ankles and take Haaland out allowing for everyone to get back for a free kick
i looked at it, other way round it was Haaland passing to Grealish but my point still stands Davies was catching up to him
Man City-Spurs was the worst call of the season other than Liverpool
Prem refs when they see a defender kill a striker:
Yup, looks like a booking to me
var- " no theres not enough contact give the striker a yellow card for diving idgas if hes dead"
Idk. Mac alister got cleated in the chest and no call.
@@user-nv7le6cr9s
Ref: “reality can be whatever I want”
(He was payed to give whatever team that needs to win a free pass)
The thing is the fans are divided because they see that only their club is getting snubbed by the officials and then calling out the other clubs for 'paying the ref' instead of uniting against the referee and officials.
Yeah I get that
I still think Liverpool should consider suing PGMOL. Now with Forest alongside them, the case only grows stronger. It’s only a matter of time before other clubs (except City) support them.
100% it’s genuinely a joke how Liverpool have been screwed by officials, saw a stat that 20% of VAR mistakes have been against Liverpool
Coventry vs United without VAR would have been one of the greatest FA Cup games 🔥
The VAR decision is also shit!
Was an incredible match man, gutted for Cov
Coventry supposed to won that match they got robbed
@@albertfingernail7820 I wouldn't say they got robbed. It was inches offside but still an offside. They robbed us of an all-timer FA Cup story, though.
@@liverbot4854
You can't know that someone is definitely off when the margins are so fine. It wasn't inches, it was millimetres.
Even if you could be sure of it, he wasn't gaining an advantage by a millimetre of his body being past the defender.
The offside rule doesn't exist to take away perfectly good goals. VAR being used to chalk off goals like that is making the game worse.
You've ran various marathons and then been on a marathon of quality content getting produced, LFG Viz!
You hero!!
@@Vizeh Additionally, I do think a lot of these problems are a worldwide bit when it comes to refereeing as a whole. Brazil has...honestly, just as much of this tomfoolery around if not more somehow and VAR isn't gonna help when the tech is ran with the same levels of inconsistency too.
Thanks for making a video on this topic. The officiating in the so called "best league in the world" is so terrible it's a joke. These silly mistakes can cause clubs to get relegated or miss out on europe or a title.
I just wished it was scrapped at this stage
The fact Spurs has had only 1 penalty ALL SEASON is crazy
A few teams have only had one penalty, Burnley have only had one too
Maybe because they got handed a goal and a sending off against Liverpool that they shouldn't have!
@@nonnayoubuzinnes1669 okay so? you shouldnt be punished for the referees incompetence lmfao
@@hair6789 Um am just pointing out Spurs fans moaning about no pens is a bit laughable when they had the worst decisions of the season go their way in that game. But yes the ref was crap in that game as they all have been most of the season.
@@nonnayoubuzinnes1669 This line of thinking is exactly why no change will come. Stop talking about different teams getting calls against them as some competition and just come together with everyone to make a difference.
That tweet from Nottingham forest was like a frustrated fan feelings
It pretty much was a direct reactionary tweet from the club owner
@@Vizehit was the truth
@@Vizeh
1st time I clicked and commented on your video, I think your head's in the clouds about refs being atleast slightly biased, either consciously or not but there Def is corruption
I think because it was a tweet people are calling it reactionary. If the exact same statement was put out in different media less people would say that
Hanlon's razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
100%
I think it’s both. They make mistakes and cover it up, which is corruption
PGMOL might have literally cost Liverpool the title.
The onside disallowed, the Odegaard handball, the kungfu kick to the chest by Doku. There is no way these blatant decisions are mistakes. More teams need to complain. PGMOL are ruining the game.
Not to mention the wrong red cards and decisions city get their way constantly
Literally every team thinks the league is out to get them when the ppl running the league are just incompetent
Seems funny how city never have anything against them whilst Liverpool constantly do.
And if fans call it out they get shut down with ‘victim mentally’
@@Do27gg ‘never have anything against them’ nah all teams got something against them, the difference is some teams make it their whole personality while others just do what they can
@@jayyzee5708 nah the difference is the things against city and arsenal are minor and everyone else gets screwed
The English game is every season becoming more and more like the MLS, just corporate entities only designed to make money. the FA, Premier League and EFL should look towards Germany for inspiration on the game.
Sadly I agree, the football league is much better for that reason
i agree for the most part with notts forest the premier league is corrupt and the referees are biased
They aren't
@@Vizeh😂 yes they are currupt
@@user-sw9ry3rg7uif you have any evidence you will be a millionaire. I assume you have none?
@@SamS-uv2ql
You don't need a question mark at the end of a statement.
@@mrman2415 no one said you did.
What’s the point of VAR when City could just walk away Scott free after robbing Chelsea like that?
I have no idea how that wasn’t even checked like
@@Vizeh they didn't even get a corner, let alone a pen.
What is the point if VAR when Caicedo didn’t get the second yellow when he literally put his studs in Jack’s knee? Stop with the bullshit already, that’s such looser’s mentality it’s mad, that’s just the way everyone copes with Man City actually being good and probably the best English club during the Pep’s reign…
@@alexanderdraganov418he cleared the ball it wasn’t intentional
Learn football
@@josephpeppleif so, then the referee and var also didn’t overlook the so called penalty intentionally 😂😂😂
The "problem" is Manchester City.
If all these anomalies are investigated, they are going to lead there.
To much money and to great an influence......none of it on the football pitch.
Not all the problem is Man City, but that elephant in the room needs to be dealt with as soon as possible now
@@Vizeh True, but the institution around that Club (not the supporters or players; but the ownership and administration) are the catalyst that has brought covert corruption into the game; because of the sums of money involved - Newcastle, ironically, have VAST wealth, but have conveniently been stopped from deploying it. So the base source can only come from one place.
@@Vizehwhich is?!
Something will come out about city in the future, not sure what but it’ll be the biggest scandal in football
I don’t know what’s more frustrating. The complete incompetence and inconsistency of refs and VAR, or fans of clubs using this to attack other clubs that match their world view as the enemy.
I’m a Man Utd fan, and while I don’t think the PGMOL is out to get us. I see a number of decisions that get given for other teams that don’t get given for us (goal ruled out where Rashford was out of bounds vs Brighton when the same incident happened and was given to Newcastle). I also know we have had decisions go our way that really shouldn’t have (Onana vs Wolves at the start for the season). We just want consistency.
I still think that the Liverpool issues are the worst as they have been blatant and unanimous in agreement that they are bad
Ex, Diaz goal, Odegard stopping the ball with his hand, and Doku kicking Mac allister
i think people tend to mix up VAR and its use in english competitions, i remember it being almost perfect in WC2018 but these english refs have been abusing it
The AFCON had perfect use
It’s always decent in these FIFA and UEFA tournaments
Particularly Michael Oliver, who seems to use VAR calls as an opportunity to audition for a role in Coronation Street or East Enders. Refs like him forget that it's about the game and the decision they take, not about their little selves.
The “right” way to do it has been done through over and over and the PGMOL doesn’t change. I fully stand behind their statement and how they said what they said.
Subtle that man city weren’t mentioned in any negative ref decisions 🤔
Been like that every year and you wonder why klopp ran out of energy
VAR should be run by European refs, no favourites
And for the big games whether it's for the title and relegation
If there's corruption at the core, wouldn't they just choose corruptible European referees?
The refereeing has gotten so horrible in England that corruption is almost the only way to explain it
Corruption against who? Is Javier Tebas paying off the refs to ensure refereeing is garbage throughout the league so PL fans will watch LaLiga instead?
I mean the most egregious handball was United last week. Genuinely, I was confused how we got a pen for us when Smith literally kept his hands to his body, but Maguire who basically had the similar thing happen to him didn't get called a pen.
Idk if its cause it was a draw or if people forgot but genuinely it was a joke.
Ah sh*t, here we go again..
Yeah i feel that
wolves have arguably been robbed more than everton this year. thoughts?
Everyone thinks that their team has been dealt worse than anyone else, Wolves had a dodgy free kick in their favor that caused their goal v Burnley this season from a personal example
@@Vizeh we have tho. It has cost us 9-15 points.
@@wolvgrizz7763 In wolves opening match, (against Man U) near the end Onana Clattered a wolves player in the box, completely missed the ball, and it wasn't given as a penalty. Honestly one of the worst decisions I've ever seen
@@Silistel i honestly thought Onana signed with WWE.
in Serie A there's the semi-automatic offside that resolves most of episodes you mentioned, is still absurd because it negated goals because of millimetres but an offside is an offside
It's not a top 6 thing but I think it's definitely a Man City thing. Most of the decisions are them just being crap but the ones that went against any opposition of City have been outrageous; especially Doku at Liverpool and Rodri at Everton. They'll win the league again and it'll be because of the refs, again
literally, the only team that is protected from these bad calls is city. Always seems to get 'lucky' with officials
I think differently as Forest stated to the pgmol that a certiain var ref is somehow associated with Luton therefore they asked for a different ref and they ignored their requests
Don't you think that the UAE connection to Michael Oliver is weird? Especially when you look at how many key decisions he got wrong in favor of Man City.
I agree but that Coventry call made me question the corruption element for the first time. I’m Leeds and I don’t want to go up. I want us to get top two, but I don’t want to go up.
Fair play. I guess it hurts and is visible more when it happens to your club. Equality served with a dose of reality.
The amount of VAR Disallow goals because someone's toe, index finger, hair or bum is offside is absolutely ridiculous!
And clearly there is corruption in the Premier league!
Im friends with Olympiacos fans and Olympiacos actually have the same owner as Forest and ur right the guy is a maniac
Consistency isn’t the problem in terms of what is and what isn’t a foul or penalty or handball as the rules are designed to be vague, the problem is when VAR gets involved and alters the on field decision instead of assisting the decision made on field.
Just seems funny how every season city never have controversial decisions against them.
As a Liverpool fan we probably notice it the most as we’ve been challenging them most seasons. I hate saying this but just doesn’t seem right at all
I don’t like the minimal offsides, the only real reason the offside was added was to stop an insane long ball game
If there are decisions for or against your team in the Championship. I like the fact there are no var there as there isn't anything to ruin the flow of the play just like how football used to be. It's all fast paced
I think there is a big difference in saying that the PGMOL is corrupted and implying that they are incompetent. Forest were clearly stating the latter. They asked to have a referee removed because he could have potentially be biased and lo and behold, a clear penalty wasn't given. They never said it happened because the match was fixed, they're stating it happened because the PGMOL wasn't competent enough to prevent it from happening
I can’t believe in corruption, I just can’t. Forest’s statement comes across as throwing their toys out the pram. Had the same conversation with me Dad this morning, could have been some better phrased, but the way the ey did just means it’ll get dismissed out of hand, and land them in hot water. As for the calls, 1st one is refs call, 2nd isnt, 3rd is.
As for the fa cup if the games had been swapped then Wan Bissaka wouldn’t have been called a pen, but Grealish would have. I heard somewhere that the Chelsea pen wasn’t called cause ref didnt see it, so what about the linos? Or var? I just can’t believe it didn’t get referred. Bad reffing, but support from his team AND the system to catch these.
Hmm I remember the abysmal refereeing for forest that allowed them to be promoted two years ago, I don’t recall them complaining abt it back then 😂😂😂
I have a theory that VAR’s actual purpose is to create a talking point for every match so no matter how boring the game is, there’s always something to debate about. More controversy = more eyes on the sport.
Its not so long ago when Mike Dean was at VAR duty and said he didnt want to send Anthonyt Taylor to check Romero pulling Cucurellas hair cause he is his mate and didnt want him to have more grief.
Somehow this was just brushed under the carpet by media.
The Handball law currently will continue to cause inconsistencies due to the number of factors included. Bring your arm inwards is one of the considerations (in relation to Grealish). It has to be simplified by the lawmakers (not PGMOL).
Charlton fan here, I’d argue we have it worse in the EFL. The standard of refereeing in this country needs to improve.
As a forest fan if you seen how bad some of the calls are you would be with forest look up boly read card against Bournemouth
Message was spo on, I would have done it exactly the same. Last year City told the League that the VAR ref for the FC cup final was a United fan and guess what he gave United a penalty 🤷🏻♂️
Var is so bad and incosistant especialy when there is a foul in the box like the barca araujo vs real madeid and it never even gets reviewed.
Cloughie would've had a field day with VAR.
Handball isn't subjective as it isn't down to opinion. It's either handball or it isn't, no room for interpretation.
The Laws of the Game even featured a diagram showing which parts of the arm are considered for handball and it's basically anything that isn't the shoulder and armpit. In previous years the cut-off was the elbow, and in others it depended on where the arm was in relation to the body.
This season, Berge's handball against Forest was handball, but a few years ago it wouldn't have been.
I remember a game when Wolverhampton vs man United, and wolves weren’t given a penalty due to var not being used
VAR should be run by Chatgpt or Even African Mandrills would do a better job than those at charge
Nope, f*ck AI. Just get it out of the sport...
Viz got this on point! It just fricking VAR VAR every damn week. So tiring to hear & talk about this now
If I were a club owner and my team went down to the championship and I saw a 75% revenue crash because of potential bias, or a notable pattern (Man City and referees going to Qatar) in decission against my club I would sue for lost damages. That's what it comes down to, there is so much money that a bad decision can cost millions both at the top and in getting a European spot. If clubs go legal action this gets dicy
If clubs go legal, they will expedite the ESL and the destruction of the football pyramid.
tbh VAR has made refs lazy as they don't bother calling the big decisions as they think VAR will do it for them and then they can put the blame on VAR for the mistake not the referees.
We got to a point where defending is just blocking the shot. I think penalties are shit, because more often than not the penalty was not deserved or the player faked it
Michael Oliver has been the ref for every single mistake in City's favour this season and factually has been paid by associates of City's owners to ref a glorified Sunday league game in the UAE in the middle of the season. Hell of a coincidence
As a wolves fan i can see qe are the only victims cant thing of one decision we can say we get away with that
Exactly
The only victims? Stated on a video about another club claiming victim hood.
Liverpool have been a lot more hard done than wolves lol and it’ll cost them the league
@@Do27gg we have lost up to 15 points from horrific decisions which robbed Gary O'Neil from a great 1st season.
@@wolvgrizz7763 yeah you have every right to complain but nothing will happen
As a Forest fan while the tweet was unprofessional its certainly kicked off a discussion from everyone which is what was needed. So many matches (not just ours) this season have had major errors from officials and nothing is ever done about it. Clubs get an apology letter and the official has to spend a game in a lower league as "punishment".
Honestly, I doubt anything will be done about this. The PL and PGMOL at this stage have established that they think they can say any generic shit, and act like people will just accept it.
Spot on with everything
0:30 the last sentence sounds so Football Manager
As a Chelsea fan i watched the cup game and i was completely fine thought we should have at least got the fucking corner. But i digress but then watching the cov game i was fucking fuming like there was zero consistency in a situation that was arguably softer than the handball in the chelsea game. Its not fair that if a different ref was on the field we would or could have won that game. If we were the sunday game and not the Saturday game we could have won the cup changing our season.
Yeah corruption towards everyone just can't be right. I think what's most frustrating for Forrest about this situation is that they warned the premier league that the VAR is a Luton fan, and then hours later an absolute disgrace occurs on the pitch.. The premier league needs to stop defending incompetence and say it for what it is, otherwise when teams get done over they are going to feel like the league is out to get them.
The crux of the issue is the high bar that exists for VAR to intervene. Many of the laws of the game are subjective, meaning one ref might see an incident as a penalty and another thinks otherwise. In either case, the VAR won't intervene because they want to avoid "re-reffing" the game and reduce the impact VAR has, limiting it to larger errors. This, by the way, is a result of what the fans and media have asked for. But the result is that very similar incidents have different consequences, which people are struggling to accept.
In theory this strategy makes sense - leave it all up to the man in the middle on the day, barring major errors. But the line that constitutes a major error is too blurred for this to work in practice, and only results in apoplectic fans who are essentially angry about whether VAR did or did not intervene. The fact is VAR was deemed correct to not intervene on the first 2 Forest penalty decisions, but thousands of Forest fans will think otherwise. The independent panel said VAR should have intervened for the 3rd incident, but on the day the VAR team felt the bar wasn't met. This is a microcosm of how the system works, and is destined to fail.
The existence of VAR means fans are not willing to accept that the referee on the day makes all the decisions, with outside intervention only for major errors. The mere existence of VAR means fans are demanding consistency and perfection, which is not possible. There either needs to be a better universal understanding (and acceptance) of when VAR is supposed to intervene (which is rarely), or bin it altogether.
The purpose of var and the execution are wildly different. Var should be used in some situations not all, it should *assist* the referees choices and not replace them.
What amazes me is that part of the problem with the situation is that the PL put themselves in a precarious position by putting a Luton fan on VAR last weekend. You'd assume they would then try to be a bit more careful with refereeing selection. They then out a Liverpool fan on VAR fir the North London Derby this weekend.
Considering Michael Oliver, a Newcastle fan, said that he shouldn't be refereeing Newcastle's rivals in the run in, it's a bit weird.
As someone not from England, this has appeared very obvious. I do think there is match-fixing going on. VAR decisions are so inconsistent, and the PGMOL punishments are only applied when the media has jumped on it.
To me it is only logical in a sport when there is so much money involved, that money is the cause and reason for these inconsistencies
I feel like football is all about controversy now how can we screw up the game 😭😭😭
Listen... There's no corruption in the prem. I'm french and in the Ligue 1, people often complain about bad decisions (var and referees) but it's NEVER about corruption. Ever. Your league just has to work on their bad refs system.
VAR has changed the outcomes of too many games
It should be scrapped by now
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We can see them being currupt and cheating twats but ay not allowed believe your eyes
As a wolves fan I know var is bollocks but complaining won’t do nothing so there’s no point
as a neutral I completely agree with what you are saying BUT it is pretty obvious that the only team that does not get the bad end of these mistakes is city. no matter how many poor officiating calls we see in the premier league, manchester city never seem to get a bad one even though the opposition they are playing always get screwed, just like we seen with chelsea the other day. City get very 'lucky', god squad or not.
18 game-changing decisions against us. It's a completely different scale with Forest
Personally I think it’s the VAR can work but only in the hands of the right people who know what their doing and also we need consistency on what a foul is because sometimes a little tap gets you booked but others that should be a sending off aren’t
When it comes to VAR, all I wanna see is consistent decisions being made by competent officials, which is the exact opposite of what we're getting.
Manchester United doesn't even deserve to go through. All they're going to do is lose the final against City. Give the opportunity to Coventry, who will benefit more from the money
I wouldn't promote scrapping VAR. But I'd encourage its use to be limited to On-side / Off-side decisions as they are the most non-subjective. If you think the PL would be better with lines-men determining who is onside, watch any weekend of the WSL - offside goals are scored all the time.
Every week we had terrible decisions against us, we have only had 1 penalty all season, loads of pens not given for us and loads of soft penalties given against us. Also why did they not even bother stopping the game to check those penalty decisions yesterday and look at the slow motion replays
They only care if it’s city as they don’t want them to look bad as their “the best team in the world and in the best league in the world” and hence give em hand outs to carry on that status
Spot on with the forest penalty claims
Even though I'm a Sunderland fan, I am from Derby and as a result I'm not the biggest fan of Nottingham Forest.
However, I agree with them on this.
They simply need to amend the rules and have it so that they broadcast the VAR dialogue live to show context to the decision making. Nobody asked for VAR, and its unacceptable to me that its not able to be scrutinised when they are making clear and obvious errors week in week out.
I'm not convinced grealish was a pen. When you jump you get lift from your arms so his arms was in a natural position. It's the natural position word that's the problem. When you run you move your arms, slide you have a different position for your arms. Arms are used for getting lift and for balancing. O and the forest complaint was before the game that the VAR guy was linked to Luton. Forest brought it up days before the game.
One thing that is worth remembering for prem clubs is the standard of officiating without var, all well and good saying get rid of var, but the level of championship officiating is a joke. If you want any help with this, I'm a wba fan, we had a penalty vs rotherham which was clearly outside the box, and not handball, kipre handball off the line vs qpr not given and a pen against us vs Leicester qhich was most likely outside of the box, all in the space of a month
Also, the stoke vs Swansea game a few weeks back, and who can forget Anthony Taylor's penalty decision in the cov vs Preston game, after it was decided he wasn't good enough for the prem for 1 week, but good enough for the championship
We need ab overhaul of officiating, and that won't happen, my advice is go to the footy with your mates on a saturday, enjoy football (preferably without var) for what it is, and don't get wrapped up in twitter or replays when you get back, as it's so frustrating, and drags you down for longer periods of time
Tbf Marinakis alleged corruption in Greece... then bribed officials and got charged for match fixing
Completely agree with you! No corruption just awful officiating
Cheers Tom
Can’t believe how many people are bringing up the Wan-Bissaka handball. He had his arms in the air to communicate that he thought the ball was going out of play, it didn’t, and his arms were coming down from that communication and then caught the ball with one of the arms. VAR is swings and roundabouts, the offside rule is incorrect as of right now, and we need a bigger group of refs voting on decisions if the actual ref cant make his own mind up in 15 seconds for any decision.
i agree so much as a arsenal fan i dont think we are targeted but everton and forest get points deleted with like 1 or 2 charges but man city and chelsea the fact that var is so stuiped i crazy i would also rather play without var in championship. THE PREM IS CORRUPT
Those two decisions that went in our favour are literally the only decisions that have gone in our favour this season with about 15 going against
i am starting to get tired of these Var mistakes
At least 2 of the "incidents" were clear Pens for me. I have to says I don't understand how none of these were given and the game just seem to gone on without any concern. The ref standards are worse than when we had amateur ref's; there just seems to be so many terrible decisions. It's damaging the game and things are going backwards.
I just think with it being 2024 and with it being such a high stakes multi £million game where 1 incompetent, 1 wrong or 1 biased decision can change a game or even an entire season and be the difference between getting relegated or not getting into Europe, and even if they can or can't cheat and fix games, let's take that power away and their control of the narrative by either scrapping VAR with 4 referees and 2 linesmen and going back to the human eye with 1 ref and 2 linesmen which will go back to incompetent, wrong and biased decisions but they wont be able to control the narrative, or we go completely technological using LiDar, put microchips in the ball, nets, boots, socks, shorts and shirts and an AI computer will show us to the millimeter within microseconds if a person is offside without any bias/mistake, the ref can just be there to signal and uphold the rules
It will kick off at the end of the season when likes of Liverpool lose the title by a point because of the spurs game, or likes of Nottingham getting relegated by the slightest margin. VAR is good for the game, the people running it are either corrupt, incompetent or both. We are at a point we dont know what constitutes a handball, a pull, how far back the var can go, what constitutes a red card etc. Bonkers
The VAR decision with Spurs vs Liverpool was the start of the whole controversy. And I do agree that Forest has had it harsh throughout the season.
Do we know for sure he is a a luton fan? If this is confirmed then forrest are in the right but if its just forests opinion that he is a luton fan then that's just silly from the club.
Also idk if anyone agrees with me but I don't think VAR should be scrapped. In my head its like this, lets say the ratio of wrong decisions to right decisions with var is 30:70. With var this number should be more like 1:99 but instead its around 10:90 or 15:85 (these are just random numbers but you get the point I hope) so basically imo it helps but it should help more. Would be interesting to get your thoughts on this Viz?
as a united fan i don’t understand the consistency in the league at all. grealish’s handball in the fa cup not given but awb’s was, penalties constantly given against us that aren’t given to city as well, i think there has to be a deeper investigation and then implications for bad officiating it’s been horrific this season, also when is the league going to address city’s charges?!? it’s mental that they haven’t done anything yet but continue to batter everton