Should You Join the Windows "Insider" Program?
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- Опубліковано 27 лип 2024
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Windows Insider website: insider.windows.com/
Insider "Flight Hub": docs.microsoft.com/en-us/wind...
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0:00 - Intro
0:48 - What Is It?
1:56 - Very Good Thing
3:34 - Dev Channel
5:39 - Beta Channel
7:55 - Internal Channels
9:23 - Release Preview Channel
10:10 - Major & Minor Builds
11:43 - Early Minor Patches
13:00 - "Secret" Early Updates
14:40 - Should You Join?
15:15 - Leaving the Insider Program
16:41 - How to Join
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Thank you so much for telling me about Mine. I just found out that almost 200 companies have my personal data.
They don't seem to be able to gather much info, my main email only shows 13 results all saying joined in September or October of this year, even showing me as joining steam in September of this year when i know i had my steam account since just after the launch of Left 4 Dead 2. So I have no idea how useful it really is but i do know I've used my email on a lot more than what's showing up
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I’m stuck on the Delta ring for Xbox. Is there any way to get to the alpha skip ahead?
Nice video! The reason patch Tuesday is on Tuesday... you push things out early in the week, so they have time to bake... never release right before the weekend, just in case 😂 With the internal rings, you still get 100K+ Microsoft users depending on the scenario, so decent amount of testing/validation before it hits external users with dev/beta/release.
YOUR here nice ot see two big tech channels in the same place
@@swirly_1 bhxhbvx, , vat kari to the, vxvuhhh
Huhh
I regret choosing the dev Channel
hi kevin
"If you're watching this video you used a computer before"
That was so good😂😂😂
phones and tablets: am i a joke to you?
I've used all the different channels on Windows Insiders over the years and haven't found any horrendous problems, even on the Dev Channel. I've now settled back in to the regular Windows 11 build (the Outsiders Channel. if you will) which is probably an indication of how satisfied I am with the new operating system: nothing jars, it matches my needs perfectly, its easy to use and is aesthetically pleasing (which Windows 10 wasn't, in my view.) Thanks for another fluent, info rich video, Thio. Always a pleasure to listen to you.
Same, the biggest errors I had were in the first dev release of windows 11 but there weren't horrendous
Same here, I've been an Insider for 6 of the last 7 years havin' fun with the new O.S.s with no really notable issues during that time.
I haven't had any major issues in the Dev channel so far either.
There definitely were some annoyances, but these would often get addressed in the next build or two.
What in god's name is an Outsiders channel, never heard of it.
@@mindrover777 a clever wordplay
Thanks for the time stamps. I still watched the whole thing but saved to watch later in case I need to refresh my memory
We are now the beta testers. Here's why: Microsoft changed testing processes significantly in the past few years. Back in 2014/2015, Microsoft employed an entire team that was dedicated to testing the operating system, builds, updates, drivers, and other code. The team consisted of multiple groups that would run tests and discuss bugs and issues in daily meetings. The teams ran the tests on "real" hardware in a lab through automated testing.
Microsoft has since laid off almost the entire Windows Test team. The company moved most of the testing to virtual machines and this meant that tests were no longer conducted on real and diverse hardware configurations. The main sources of testing data comes from Windows Telemetry and Windows Insiders. We are all beta testers now.
I have a couple of spare PCs that I use for the Windows Insider program, one on DEV and one on Beta. The DEV channel is more fun since new stuff shows up. Microsoft is smart to do this. They get people to work for them for free.
One more difference between the Dev and Beta Channel is that the Dev builds are usually timebombed. This means that the Dev builds will stop working after a certain date.
so if you don't update you cant boot?
Why ?
So that's why dev program doesn't have an iso download. Only beta and preview channel
@@Animeso it actually only restart your computer after 2 hours🤓
Just change the bios date
Bro, you're awesome at explaining things!
Have used Mine before, must say they're great!!💪🏻
Been on Dev channel for years, apart from minor glitches its been a fun experience.
Was just about to search this!!
Good video, with good clear guidance. I joined Dev channel today not realising I couldn't go back. However, I managed to go back to Beta channel by clicking on "System recovery go back". I should say I upgraded to windows 11 on 16th February. I then extended "go back" to 60 days. However, I have just checked and "go back" is no longer an option, meaning I can no longer go back to Windows 10, but luckily I was able to come out of Dev channel without a fresh re-install. so good advice from you, be very sure you want to go on Dev channel before doing so.
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one of the best youtuber ever seen! Love ur content keep it up
Another thing to consider is that you will want to keep all your data like video, pictures, etc. on a separate folder or drive than the default Windows folders. It should be outside Windows so that if you have to reinstall Windows you won't have to move that data around. You will likely have to reinstall the programs you're using though.
thanks for the Mine link, it's actually really easy to use, any average joe (no pun intended) can use this.
Nice! Love this. I also love Mine
I would love to see an updated video which covers the new Canary channel and the updated Dev channel.
Love your wallpaper!
Yeah I always get those secret ones xd
I also put the Preview updates and everything's been good so far :)
Thanks this is really helpful.
I'm a developer, but there's no way I would be able to use any of the insider versions of Windows because I want to make sure that my applications run on the versions that end users are most likely to have. Good video, Joe!
As a dev, don't u have more than one computer system? 🤔
@@pythondrink I have three computers: a Dell desktop, a Dell laptop and a MacBook Pro
@@snarkykat so that means u could get into Windows Insider Program if u wanted to but that's all up to u
@@pythondrink I decided not to enroll in the insider program because I would feel more comfortable trying out early versions of a Windows release on a virtual machine. But, that also means that another license for Windows has to be purchased. Sure, they can be obtained cheaper than the official price of $200 for Windows 10 Pro, but that seems a little dodgy to me.
@@snarkykat great. It's all good for u 👍
Thankx , Thio did try "Mine" , only 4 , and these . very basic ! Reclaimed one only .
I did the dev build and its been pretty good
This video is a great explanation 👍 Respect This Guy here
Very useful 👍
I would've liked to see you mention the privacy concerns of using Insider builds. Good video overall, though.
Great bro.... I like it
Love from india 😍
Aaaaaah finally I know what the 'canary' thing is all about lol If they had let me use my secondary machine I would be interested but it's an unsupprted device so I let it be. BTW you are so knowledgeable I always learn new stuff here.
I've been in the insider program since 2014 and submitted alot of feedback and tested Windows 10 on some test desktops, laptops. I've ran into a few installation issues when a new build comes out. It's part of the fun of being in the program but it's not for everyone. I've read feedback where people have joined the program and put their production PCs in the program. Not very smart.
I would highly recommend joining it on some laptop you don't use much or Virtual Machine. A lot of issues can occur and ruin your experience on your main machine. Since Windows 11 is fully out there isn't really a reason to join the insider preview at this point.
I was an insider for windows 7, that was very impressive. I was an insider for windows 10 and there was a build where it removed half the letters on the screen, it went weird. Very funny.
And I'm on the xbox insider programme, kinda normal but some lovely animated backgrounds
There is actually a way to leave the dev channel which is basically waiting for a window to switch from dev channel to beta channel and than switching. Then when you changed from the dev channel to the beta channel you can click on the unenroll option in the beta channel
Good timing with the Ryzen L3 Cache issue being fixed in the most recent Win 11 Release Preview build.
I guess that could be a good reason to join, just to get the fix early.
@@AndersHass Pretty much, I'm on the Release Preview build already because I have a 3900x, it's definitely fixed the issue. I was on all the Insider Dev builds for Windows 11 since the first one though, so it's nothing foreign to me personally.
You get a custom Win11-themed wallpaper if you were an insider! Love the new design
8 Y/o me watching this after installing Windows 11 Dev Build on my Dad's office laptop:
I N T E R E S T I N G
Oh no. You'll get beaten hard if your dad knows its a beta. LOL
I'm in the beta channel (the currently best version for Win11 imo) and the worst I got was *gasp* slightly buggy titlebar coloring on the new versions for the explorer and task manager that got fixed with the next update.
ive been installing earlier preview builds for quite some time without me knowing
probably not gonna do that anymore
Been a member of the insider program since 2017.
You didn't face problems!??
You didn't face any problem??
Thanks i picked up what you layed down
Beauty 🥳🥳 🧡🙏🏼
I'm in dev channel since the beginning and the latest latest latest update fixed nearly all my problems 🥺 I had big big problems
so many people i'm subscribed too keep uploading 😅
Yes 😛
Beta channel might be good way of getting ahead of future problems if you have mission critical pcs
Your videos give more meaning to my life lol
Hmm, I was on the dev channel but was able to roll back to the stable version and then change to the release candidate channel.
Don't think you can entirely get out of the Insider program once your install is enrolled, however.
I never had any problems with the Dev channel. Heck every time i noticed some bug in the dev channel it would just make its way to the official public release anyway. Sometimes the dev builds fix problems that the public channel introduced so the so called tradeoff is more than worth it
It isn't worth it if you value stability. I've tried being an insider a bunch of times over the years as I like being an early adopter. I finally had enough of it last year with all the prerelease bugs that really screwed my system up. I'm content to just wait until the bugs are all fixed AFTER the final release comes out and MS decides to finally fix the bugs that were there in the prerelease version. I haven't even tried Windows 11 yet, I'm going to wait for bug fixes for a few months.
That's wise. Those guys should actually pay those, who test their software.
How to get ride of dev Channel... ?
release preview shouldnt really be bad tho, right? I assume it'll be almost exactly as stabl as the final version.
Also, I will only switch to 11 when windows 10 "EoL"s in 2025
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Thanks 😊
Ive been living life on the Edge for years running dev on my main laptop. Never had a mission failure in over 2 years specifically due to windows. its at the most 15 min o fixing things.
Yes,i will JOIN the Windows insider program NOW!
Upload yay
I have been using the dev channel for a few months and I only blue screened once and that was because I was running Minecraft and forgot to install my 2nd stick of RAM so I only had 8GB and because of that, my OC was running slow and I had multiple apps in the background so the 8GB RAM wasn't enough.
I just join it when i want an update that clearly is already ready for release like the amd cache fix and then drop back out, btw i have that thing you setup on usb but as network boot instead for my self, so i can do all kind of things just by network booting, including making a image of my boot drive and storing it directly on my nas all automated more or less, so i could go to a dev build and rollback 30 days later instead of doing a clean install.
one thing good i did, im dualbooting windows 11 and windows 11 dev channel, so it's good
How about doing an inplace upgrade of the same Windows version after ticking off insider preview updates, will that get you out of preview build?
If you want bleeding edge but with maximum stability, then you should just run a rolling release Linux distribution. It's also much faster to update too. You don't have to take 3-5 hours out of your day.
Was going to switch to linux but windows 11 dropped and i don't know what to do? Should i dualboot and try a similar distro at first like zorin
I joined the insider's program a week ago on my Optiplex 9020 after upgrading from windows 10 2015 to 18 and later that day, to 20H2. Great updates. Thio, can I upgrade to Win 11. Cause its telling me that my PC can't handle Windows 11
i always use Dev channel for my personal computer. and it works fine.... most of the time.
Just to point out to yall on Microsoft major / minor build numbers, this video is actually inaccurate. Windows usually hides the major build number as it only changes with a Major release of windows ie windows 10, windows 8, windows 7 and so on.
The real full build number for the example shown in the video is 10.0.19043.1237 where 10 is the major build number, 19043 is the minor build number and 1237 is the patch. Maj/Min/Patch. Other than that great video!
The only thing I want from the insider program is Unicode Emoji 13, something which should really already be full release but won't be until some time next year
See you when this video gets popular.
Relase preview is just better than not being insider, beta channel is good for a secondary or test machine, and dev channle is only redomended for virtual machines. At the end, the channel you jouin is your choice
Good evening Joe, hope you are doing well, I always listen to your opinion and instructions on how to get more stable versions of windows or updates, I upgraded my PC from windows 7 I reached 10 pro versions 21H1 OS build 19043,1348 and recently started walkthrough fast insider programs and I loved the early fast updates that they offer that transfer information technology to faraway dimensions for how future would be, please advice was to organize my steps to find clean fast updates, I, as I said, made a Microsoft email and join and organisation groups that I did not upgrade updates more the version I mentioned, then I started some windows debloats to hold on my horses and to close automated updates and to do updates manually, so what's your recommendations in my situation, your recommendation is highly appreciated.
I play my high spec games and work 9 hours a day in my lap, I already had 2 crashes after I updated to Windows 11. So should I go for it? or just play it safe?
At this time there's not real advantage to it. It was good to be signed up before Windows 10 came out. It was also good if you didn't have a Windows 7 or 8 key since you wound up getting even a pro version of Windows 10 for free. And being part of it just before Windows 11 was released to beta meant you could easily update an incompatible machine to 11 and can still run 11 on it. Free Windows OS software is about the only major advantage. The only reason to do it right now is to get the latest features a few months before everyone else, but that also means getting the latest bugs.
Right now however, you're best waiting since it's going to be a while before they get into any new OS and you have to have the latest computers to do it, and there's not going to be a lot of people with an extra computer sitting around that was built in the last few years, which means having to risk your main work computer.
I upgraded windows 110 pro pre release build and this hour makes it one week I am unable to get the monitor to respond on my surface pro x... I've checked the drivers. How do I address this? No response form Microsoft yet.
It is quite a trap, I did not see any warning in advance that switching to DEV channel is almost ireversible (it is just warning about stability and security issues, that are not too much tested), due to lot of installed programs I cannot simply re-install. So it looks I just have to wait and maybe in any future it will switch to "public" channel.
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Thanks ThioJoe, was looking for such a tutorial! I have a question... You said that the Dev channel isn't stable and might break some parts. But would it harm our PC if we install the ISO file on a Virtual Machine? I have already installed the beta version of Windows 11 on a VM and it is stable.
And also if I opt into the Dev channel, download the ISO and install it on a Virtual Machine, will I still be able to download the beta version ISO later onwards?? Like if I download the Dev ISO of Windows 11 and install it on VMware, still I will be able to get the Windows 11 beta version ISO file??
Go ahead install it on a vm, but join with a different Microsoft account
I finally got around to building a new computer. My old computer has an
AMD 8350FX and a EVGA 1080 ti with Windows 7. The new build has an AMD
RYZEN 9 5950x and a EVGA 3090 FTW Ultra. The motherboard is an ASUS
ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero. My question is should I install Windows
10 or 11? For what it's worth I do have access to Windows Insiders
Program and downloaded both OS iso's. So I would be going from Windows 7
to Windows 10 or 11. I guess I could install both on separate NVME
or USB drives. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks
Hello. I upgraded to a clean windows 11 pro on one
1. AMD FX8350.
2. asus sabertooth 990fx r1.0
3. Asus xonar hdav 1.3 deluxe.
Everything worked fine.
win 11 does not feel slower than a win 10 but almost the opposite.
I had to turn off the TPM. In regedit but it was very easy as long as you follow a video on youtube or a website instruction.
I have not had any problems receiving win11 updates?
If you ask me, win 11 does not look any nicer than a win 10 but the opposite. Unfortunately it goes in that direction.
Same with microsoft paint as they updated but without adding anything new. They only made it more white and boring.
How about partitioning your ssd?
Partition 1: Normal edition install
Partition 2: Beta install
Partition 3: Important data
I joined beta channel 3 months ago and I encounter some bugs so I levead WIP last week and all of the bugs in the beta build .194 are still on my stable builds (kinda what?)bugs bugs bugs are the bugs will be removed? in the future updates?
Did they fix the explorer memory leak yet?
Auto HDR sounds great, and looking forward to gpu direct storage... and AMD fixing the scheduler issue...
i like this channel. reminds me of LTTs techquickie channel in the way i wouldve rather had it back in 2015 or whatever
joined dev mode for windows 11 couple months ago
Thiojoe please do what will happen if u set every registry key values to 0.
Hey can you help me I just turn my C drive folder to download folder do you know how to change it back
Hey you were right canary channel is now available for public
Thanks
One thing I noticed was that you did a micro-sneer just as you said "Patch Tuesday." I think that reveals how you feel about Patch Tuesdays.
You thought wrong
@@ThioJoe lol
I use it to get Windows 10 & 11 on my M1 Macbook Pro with Parallels.
I using the dev Channel version since months
2:04 for me it said mine has my data 🤣🤣
im constantly green screening with beta and i cant leave it, help
love from India
Been with the insider program since whenever windows 10 beta was out when I decided to make a Hotmail for Microsoft. I think that was late 2014- mid 2015.
I used to use the beta channel and there was some bug where it wiped my product key. Microsoft gave me a key for windows 10 pro for free when I was using windows 7 home premium. I now use dev and beta. Kinda werid that I was only 9 at that time.
Wow being a beta tester without being paid what a great deal
I've been a Microsoft insider for years, but only ever use it on a spare PC.
im using the dev channel and its weirdly stable for me
Im not able to leave the dev channel without having to do a clean reset install. is there a way that I can leave the dev channel without losing data?
Windows 11: *announced*
Everyone: *proceeds to become a programmer and permanently join the Windows Insider program on their host machine*
I am in desperate need of help! I had a very old laptop for almost a year and when I came back to windows 10 I was shocked and frustrated that they changed chrome THAT MUCH. I missed the old chrome that I knew in around 2019-2020. But I don't know which version had that design and I can't search for ways to restore THAT version of chrome. Could anyone help me?
Don't use Chrome altogether. Use brave or the alternative you might not like-edge. Also firefox with a few mods or opera gx
Insider since February 😄
I already use mine
I've been using Windows 11 Dev ever since 21996 leaked. Only once there was a major issue, otherwise it's worked just fine.
I can download Insider, but microsoft store says can't run on this device
I don't think the Windows Insider Program is that bad honestly, it's stable for me for the most part, and crashes rarely happen.
i never used it but i joined it for 3 times
Me having dev for 2 years on my main pc 👁👄👁