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savagegeese is the best kept secret in youtube automotive reviews.
agreed
Ha need to keep it that way!
+BrokenFiddles true
+BrokenFiddles Truth.
Still a secret? :D
I love your reviews Geese, you are so professional at what you do. You have accomplish a style no one can surpass.
I am sure plenty would disagree but thank you.
No, i feel the same way, I enjoy your reviews
Add my vote as well!
I love the track drives where Mr. Goose has an instructor riding shotgun telling him what to do.... I know damn well my boy could outrun 99% of these instructors out on a track lmfao.
Spot on with yoir motor trend comment. Im not a mustang guy but love what you get at that price point. You have to respect it.
Thats how I feel about it, exactly.
savagegeese BTW, truely feel you put out the best reviews. You and everyday driver put out the best cinematic reviews with great facts and insights. im not going to pretend to be capable of doing that as well as you guys. Truely amazing. Great job my man
+kkthxk Completely agree. i thoughy for some crazy reason they were gonna be logical and reward the miata when it got down to the top 3. Nope lets have a sold GT4 and Merc win. wow makes me feel even poorer. I might be able to buy a Focus RS one day. hahaha Thats my max $ on a car.
Good job, haven't seen any press from this event yet, saw it here first. You can definitely hear the difference in that engine with the flat plane crank. High RPMs it just screams.
I dont think anyone did video at road america. Very odd.
Great honest review!! I liked how you commented on Motortrend. Hope to see a full review of the GT350.
Gt350 is still desirable 6 years later...car is incredible
Probably the only youtube car review who can actually drive on the track.
Wow that was good video.....Excellent driving also. The GT350 like the Boss before it is just hard to top at 55k. You are dead on about the regular GT being an excellent car with just some slight modifications. No one would pay an additional $7,000 or so more to take 200 more pounds out of the car even if most of it was unsprung weight.
Dislikes really? Savage is the man..raw, honest, and no bs. Plus I own this car...automatic like anyways.
I like how you apply common sense to your reviews, your points of view, going for the GT soon, thanks !
looked that instructor knew u had a clue on the track...nice to see
I like this guy, he is honest and real. Making me think to keep my GT instead of upgrading to the GT350R.
good god those downshifts
I think you have a point about upgrading the suspension on a GT Mustang, but that engine in the 350 is just fantastic. The sound of it ripping up to redline is worth at least $10k. The flat plane crank and engine tuning is what I think makes the 350 GT so special.
I also really liked your comment on the MotorTrend COTY. I hear the AMG GT is a blast to drive, but it requires so much room to enjoy, I'd have the Miata any day. Loved your review of the Miata by the way!
+HandsomeAlex25 Thanks glad you like the Miata review, its easier to do a video when you have a car like that. I won't lie that 5.2L in the 350 is amazing but personally it's a one off and I reserve any major endorsements for it until it's in the wild. (Tested) As Turbowski said how is warranty support going to work, and not only that normal Ford dealerships are not going to be fixing much. It's a car that may have more hidden costs. The GT 5.0L is already proven.
+savagegeese This is exactly why I appreciate your channel so much. You and i-Turbowski focus so much on ownership costs and the engineering underneath the car (literally) as well as the driving experience. Your point about servicing the unique 5.2 flat crank engine is really pertinent to potential owners... You deserve a lot more attention than you get.
Excellent shifting no doubt!
The lighting @2:32 for suspension and underbody views is the best #Turbowski mode yet.
Wow, geese with the exclusive. Liked your insight though I would have loved a track map and voiceover on the track driving to see what your impressions were corner by corner. Love your reviews though man, keep it up.
The goal is to get the car again for a real track run. We didnt even get a full lap on Road America, it was like half.
+savagegeese Would you say that the only purpose of owning the R version would be to track it? If I just wanted a super badass mustang and had the cash with no real intention of tracking it. Would you just advise someone to get a regular gt350 track or tech package? There's something special I think about owning a R version..idk about an extra 13k though. Plus 3k for electronics added. Just wanted your thoughts..
+Robert Garcia No track = GT350. Same great things more practical. Having no AC, no radio, no trunk or backseat and DOT R tires for street a waste.
R version is definitely not worth it. I agree with your assessment though. GT with mods sounds best for sure. Tires, brakes, springs/shocks are where I always put money first. Aftermarket always yields more value.
+savagegeese Anything out there that you would rather own that is comparable to price? That 50-60k range..even used.
Based on your review and many others, I end up purchasing a 2020 GT 350. It’s a great car. I was looking at the Z4 M40i. Yes two very different cars. I’m happy with my choice.
Kudos for an excellent review. You are a savagely honest reviewer that cuts through the BS and gets right to the point. Interested to hear your review on the C7 Z51 and Z06
I have asked for a C7 and honestly doubt we will get one from GM in the near future with winter coming.
Glad I found this channel... Best review ever! I like the realness of your review.
Best non-magazine review of this great car to-date. Thanks for posting!
The driver’s aid driver’s car of the year. Priceless!
Love your reviews. I only follow your channel from car reviews. Everyone else is a joke! Keep up the good work :-)
I agree with you. Great video.
If I had the money this very minute I would run down to my nearest Ford dealership and plonk down the money for a GT because of your review. I, like you, am a driver. You and your videos strike a cord with me for we are of the same mind my brother.
Savage, thanks for the great review, but I have a question I hope you have time for. Is the C7 Corvette a better option for similar money? Would like to hear your thoughts comparing contrasting these two very different high performance cars. Thanks.
Thats a very difficult question. The C7 is a better sports car from the group up. Dedicated platform and not built to a price point. The Mustang has budget car roots. But... this motor and trans if reliable make it a car that anyone should be able to work on and service. I think the C7 has higher potential overall as a track car as the Mustang is maxed out here but that does not make it any less appealing. If I was going for mostly street with some track duty I'd take the GT350 with track pack.
1:11 flat plane crank goes down-up-down-up which is a bit strange, compared to the more unusual down-up-up-down for most flatplane crank V8s and four-cylinders. Interesting.
I'm impressed. It's late and I've had a couple drinks, so I'll leave it at that. Thumbs up on the Motor Trend comments...
omg this car is so amazing. I want one so freakn bad
I've heard people say that the Gt350R has similar lap time to the 997 gt3,that's the only reason I have slight interest in the 350,but clearly all mustangs are quite porky. High Torque and high HP can hide the weight in a straight line,I'd imagine the weight would show up in the canyons,still want to test drive one before i make a decision.
Great review and pinpointing the cast steel pieces, thing is they reduced the weight and roational weight via the carbon fiber wheels, Makes a great aftermarket target for weight reduction almunium pieces. one thing he kinda misses is the the fact that the flat plane crank engine with its 8k rev is exclusice to the gt350's engine that cant be had within the GT. so indeed you can make the GT perform better with magneride dampers but overalll you not getting the same experience as the gt350, and at the end of the day those gt350 will be worth millions especially the R's '
You can get a/c in the R if you get the "electronics" package, just thought I'd add that info, which also includes other goodies like upgraded audio system. Maybe if a fairy granted me a wish, and the R didn't cost more, than I'd get it as long as it had the electronics package.
I realize in the states motor and engine are interchangeable. Could you please bear in mind that and the rest the world a motor is electric and the engine is internal combustion. Thank you for your consideration. Truly love all the videos you do and the honesty that they invoke.
Question Mark; Both you and Turbowski mention taking the R over the Camaro for the NON-forced induction. Why is that though? Is it based on that a FI car will put it into a higher race category class? Or?
This car is so fast, it's unbelievable. Has to be the closest you can get to a factory V8 Supercar or sort-of Trans Am Mustang for the street. For just $65k. Incredible.
Its a mustang supercar. If you love these cars its the pinnacle.
As great as the gt350 seems, I have to agree with your comments on upgrading a gt. The lower end torque would be much more practical for daily use as well. Do you think it is also necessary to upgrade the gt's transmission?
Nice job. The Shelby GT350 is going to look great next to my Porsche 911. I can't wait to put one of these on a circuit, my Boss 302 Laguna Seca was a track beast, can't imagine how this will be. I wouldn't say this car is "obtainable." $60,000 USD most people cannot afford. The people that can afford it, chances are they still can't get one.
Thank you! This pretty much solidifies my purchase.
Man that's a cool car. I hope you get to do more on it! What was the instructor referring to re: your shfting? Thanks for the video :)
Awesome review man Good job 👍
This man is my hero.
Loved it! Nice hat too!!
Damn this car sounds SAVAGE!
Good honest review.
Subbed......and why you aren’t at 1mil plus is MINDBLOWING🤯
nice shifts man
Nice job. Btw, the Simpson "Hans" device is really not enhancing safety unless you are in a full 4 or 5 point harness. Did the Ford people set you up with that device?
No auto blip, me don't want.
Yes is was ford provided, I asked what was the point if HANS tethers not integrated with seat. Answer was insurance reasons. Why would you want auto blip?
+savagegeese I always knew you were a smart goose. Keep up the amazing work you are doing - best car reviews on UA-cam.
Re auto blip, on a track, where I am hard in the brakes, I can blip, (having a solid brake pedal to pivot my foot from), however on the street, where I could be just brushing the brakes, I don't have the confidence or the ability to blip at the same time. A lot of it depends on the placement of the pedals also.
Spot on, and nice job.
That 3.73 gear in the GT Performance Pack really needed an extra 1000RPM boost. I think that's where Ford had left off with the BOSS truly. They can't just slam a Boss Mani in there to get it to breath better and raise the RPM due to the height clearance of the hood and styling, so they did it in other ways.
Also agreed on the GT350 vs GT350R, I quite enjoy the MagneRide suspension in my TT, all you have to do really is get a GT350 with the Technology package, and retrofit the oil/tranny cooler, wider tires and call it a practical fun car/occasional track car.
I agree. Any issues with the magnaride of your TT?
+savagegeese Not at all, sold the TT@55K miles; to me, that's the most useful feature of that car.
The problem child of the TT was the DSG. Failed Mechatronics unit @26K miles, then servicing the DSG was like hell. So once the warranty goes out, I got rid of the sucker quick.
+savagegeese Geese, I forgot to ask, how did you like the shifting feeling compare to the GT you had previously reviewed?
I think the stock GT shifter is ok, but no where close to some top-mounted shifter trannies, since they have changed that for GT350, I'm just wondering. :) Thanks!
Dude don't quit you day jub. You are as exciting as toast. Seriously
Hot damn! What's the redline on that beast of an engine?
OMFG beautiful
Great video! Great driving!! Thanks.
Sounds glorious!
Hey SG, so awesome you got to review this mustang. BTW, what cars do you currently own?
Lol at Motor Trend comment, literally just finished watching that.
Watched one vid of SG and subscribed...very good info
1:28 "In the Shoppe" made redundant. :P
All cars should have a mode where the car lifts like that!
Love your reviews. Thanks
Thanks for the video. Just wondering what you think about the standard 350? or is the track/tech packages a must?
If all you care about is street driving and want the motor. No need to waste money on track pack. But resale will be way better.
just took delivery of mine!!!
how much do the carbon fiber wheels weight???
Awesome review
Proud 2012 5.0 owner here. Most basic model too. Lmao!!! The plastic is super cheap!! But I don't mind at all because I don't want to buy for expensive interior. All u care about is getting the most performance/hp for my dollar. So I'm happy you mentioned cheap plastic. Lol.
How much faster does the gt350 feel over the mustang gt?
Its faster but not blow you away faster.
savagegeese Gt= drag car...raw, obnoxious and a no holds barred monster. Gt350= canyons and auto cross ready platform. Love my magneride!! Handles like my 370z nismo.
great review as ever savageese, also hope your driving skills have increased a bit so you can beat turbowski, also can't wait to see if the 350 accually makes to yurop, we'll see.
Turbowski will always get me. He is more talented behind the wheel.
Menacing Color. Primer grey is in style.
nice review Goose, first off enjoyed your insight. I am curious, you mentioned the regular GT with a track pack would be your choice with some upgrades. Was the motor in the GT350 not worth the upgrade alone? I mean maybe its not with 10k extra but 4-5k, no?
The motor trend stuff, I agree with you a bit, because yes, the AMG and Bentley, are expensive and out of range for most people. However, you have to admit we all love watching it and seeing what those cars can do and be able to see the direct comparison to perhaps a Cayman GT4 or the Z06, although that one was a bit of a no show in the test. I genereal I like seeing the track time diff between those super high end cars and say a car that is more affordable.
keep up the good work
If you could get a GT350 for within 5k of GT with performance pack yes go for GT350. I just doubt you'd find that with limited production. It's likely going to be over 10k more. Motor Trend has the best videos, no one else online does better with track comparisons, they just don't get into enough nitty gritty or at least edit too much out. 99% of the population will never get into an AMG GTS I think thats worth at least saying? But I do agree with you.
hey dude,do you know somewhere i can get gt350 with no mark up?could you plz answer me that? thanks a lot.
Mars.
What mic are you using for this production. It's the clearest in the world, lol. Better than the other reviews I've seen recently.
Its all sennheiser stuff. G3 and ME2.
so would you say the tech pack or track pack is right way to go? are those coolers in the track pack going to be must have for an occasional track day, or is the bigger screen, dual cc, nav just too practical to be without?
I can't imagine not having A/C. Coolers are a must for longevity. All it takes is one track day and that car will be roasting. I think you could live without the NAV for sure.
+savagegeese would you say the steering feel is any better here compared to the GT
+Wight King Its better for sure. Partially because of the new uprights in the front, dampers and more bracing. The test driver also agreed much like GT comfort mode felt the most real for steering setting.
Thought you was gonna fall asleep while talking
1:09 wtf are those shoulder! LOL
Great insights about the Mustang and the "Best Drivers Car" b.s.Ok, as a buyer, what is your impression of the materials, and quality of the GT? I found the outgoing model laughable. As much hoopla that was made about how great it was, I could not take it seriously with the comically cheap materials and fit & finish.I really like the styling of the new Mustang, and looks great on the street. But, has it been improved that much with regards to quality of materials?
Quality of materials is average at best.
+Cruz er
You should look at Bentley if you need special interiors. Track guys want all business, my Porsche 911 is all business, this Shelby the same. I have a coworker who just paid over 75k for a brand new M4....that's a bad deal. The Shelby is a super exotic compared to the M4. The GT350 is more appealing than cars costing twice as much.
+Nick H
Not looking for special interiors, just something better than a Mitsubishi Mirage. And you can't say Ford didn't try. They obviously cared a lot about the interior design, as it's styled in every facet. It's the materials and execution that let it down, imo.
Nice review. Remind yourself to not be critical of other reviewers. Although I do not agree with the Motor Trend "Drivers" car of the year, I do however believe in good sportsmanship. Your talents far exceed comments like that and considering I've watched every single video of yours, I know the potential!
With that being said, once again awesome job on getting us the first insight on the new GT350/R!
+Omair Khanzada Motor Trend has the best video channel and talent in the USA. It's no knock on any of that. It was just a commentary on the GT350 being a real drivers car compared. (Regardless of Price) Thanks for keeping us honest. Appreciate the feedback.
Ok lets get to it...How much better is it than the Camro race car? Or is it?
+twissted Going to have to try the next gen Z28 or whatever they will call it.
So it's better than the current Camro.
In the beginning you say there isn't not enough aluminum and Ford says it costs too much reengineer, but later you say the R isn't a value because it's more money. Go figure.
The 5.2L is the best part about this car. I know you said you would save a bunch of money by modifying a regular GT, but you miss out on that engine. I think thats why most people have interest in it. I mean, lets be honest, how many people are going to actually track it? The R sure, I can see people tracking those, but the regular 350, not so much. If you have interest in tracking the car, you probably will get the R.
The motor is the best part by a long stretch, I just don't see how you can even remotely enjoy this car on any public road. Even starting it would wake neighbors. If you are not using it for track its throwing money away IMO. Its not like we are talking about a 200HP car here where adding 75HP would be welcome. We already have 435HP on the GT. The other issue becomes rebuild and longevity. Flat crank motors are supposed to need more service in the long run. Whether or not thats true, we'll see.
+savagegeese I wonder if you are right about the economics. The GT will depreciate like any car and the mods will not help the value. The 350 in either version should hold its value better, right?
In the subject of economics, I understand reporters had to pay their own way. Thank you!
Michael Cohen Are they doing limited production runs of the GT350/GT350R? If they aren't doing any sort of limited run deal, I don't imagine it will increase in value or even not loose value, but I think the car will hold its value regardless if its limited run or not better then a regular GT. Especially if you do plan on moding a GT to get the same performance as a 350.
Do you still have your FR-S?
Are you coming to the la auto show?
Not likely. Cost is not worth it.
You don't have to make escuses for the Mustang! This thing is a beast
+SpyderRios It is a beast.
I think the 5.2 revving at 8250rpm will be a big difference from a stock 5.0. with dampers! WTF!
It is a big difference but, for most people having 430+ HP already with the GT is enough.
Wow.
Yup
Damn you can drive
I would like to ask another question. Would you want this motor in the Ford GT and if it was twin turbo would it be the GT that you would want?
+twissted I'd prefer a high revving NA motor like this in the GT. While it may not have the power output it would be a more visceral experience. My guess is the TT motor in the GT is likely because or weight and power output.
+savagegeese I would think that it is because it is a race proven engine and nothing more. The flat plane V8 is light weight and the reason that it revs so well. In fact if it used titanium connecting rods and wrist pin it would even be more rev happy and make more power. I see it as a motor not yet proven and it leaves a lot of meat on the bone for more sales of the GT down the road. Just think of it everyone wanting this car with a V6.... How many would jump if the car came out with a 1100 hp twin turbo flat plan V8 under the deck. This car puts them on the map and later it will set a standered that few if any can match.
+twissted I thought you meant Ford GT not Mustang GT sorry.
+savagegeese I was talking about the Ford GT and the motor that is in the Shelby not being used in the Ford GT.
+twissted Ok just wanted to be sure. Its actually better for the Mustang brand to have the flat plane. Its going to reach more people, despite the "who knows" longevity. I think the V6 in the GT is a mistake for a supercar like that but it's likely a packaging and brand (ecoboost) decision. What do you think?
three seatbelts so you know it's real
Has n e one ever thought that car companies tune their "production" cars differently/better so journalist review them with positive feedback so ppl will watch the videos and want to buy them?
They "car companies" have been busted in past for giving media ringers. Its possible, always is.
+DoubleD 613 "Anyone" is the correct word you were looking for? :D
+savagegeese can u say ferrari
great job Geese!
+James Ritchie goose? lol
Guy creepin' on girl in the background...
I appreciate this review. The GT 350 R is on the shortlist of cars I would purchase if I had the money to blow. Because that's what I would be doing, blowing money. For a cure track car it is not cost-effective and in my opinion half of the racing game is budget management. I get more miles for smiles my beater track car that I will out of this thing and I worry about dinging the paint. It has some cool bits on it, the flat plane crank engine is amazing and the carbon fiber wheels are great but aside from that, what is it? It is a Mustang like you said the same suspension geometry on the front end they been using for 40 years. I can't be impressed by that.
+Kylroyboi Sadly, you or I are not the target market. For somebody like Matt Farah , this would be a really good ready-to-go track toy that is relatively inexpensive compared to exotics. Think of it as a cheaper alternative to a Porsche or Ferrari etc. Sure it's not as pure as a Lotus, but the Trans Am Mustangs have always had a big racing heritage.
+Kylroyboi not true the front suspension is brand new in all mustangs plus the gt350s have magna-ride
+Brandon Wyatt its a McPherson strut. It's cheap to make and totally inferior to a double wishbone or some similar set up that you will find on the Camaro an Audi or BMW. The parts themselves are new but it's the same design they have been using forever. This design makes it very difficult (impossible) to have optimal tire contact on both tires in a turn. If Ford wants to turn this car into a track car they will have to fix this. But then again, it's a Mustang. It's supposed to be relatively cheap.
Kylroyboi The vast majority of BMWs, Audis and Porsches **DO** use McPherson strut suspenion on the front. The 911 uses McPherson strut front suspension and always has. Heck, Cayman has McPherson struts on both ends of the car. Likewise all BMW M3s from the E30 through to the current model all use McPherson strut front suspension. In fact McPherson struts are very common on German cars. Like for like, the Ford GT is the car you should be comparing to the Audi R8 and so on, and the Ford GT matches the double wishbone front suspension design of rival supercars from those German brands you mention.
Kylroyboi PS. A Camaro has McPherson strut front suspension also!? So I don't follow your point at all. Do you mean Corvette, which would be double wishbone being a pure sportscar? :)
you're like leave me alone I know what I'm doing.
would it be safe to say that turbocharging the v6 would yield as much fun? or is that v8 so much more advanced?
The big draw here is the high revving V8 NA motor. It's always consistent, its a huge pro when everyone is going turbo and lower revs. Its something you appreciate more on track than street.
+savagegeese that makes sense, the torque under the curve would make it more consistent and less stressed, plus that sound too!!! take care
+Mister McGill Take car man.
But the GT has a very bad manual trans. The 350 has a much, much better manual trans.
Good video.ps the mechanic dude needs to speak up.
+1 on the driver's car bs. The miata would be mine, likely including the GT350/GT350R. More usable on the street.
Exactly or buy a 53k miata cup car and actually go wheel to wheel racing in a series instead of looking at your car in a garage all day.
Dumb question, but will Ford come out with a Shelby GT350 that has an automatic transmission ??
+Michael Persaud I believe the Shelby models are only available in manual.
GT350 no. However I can see them offering an auto in the GT500 like the Hellcat and Z06.
It's Porsche-uh bro.
Oh sorry I am not from Sweeden.
+savagegeese LOL!
+savagegeese lol
Cant even keep up with base camaro
Great video, but the Packers hat.....wtf.
Haha I will link you a video explaining. Its not what you think.
AGAIN, incredible "Credible" reviews. Awesome stuff. Motor trend BS is annoying.