For more information about the P-Rails and Triple Shot combos, check out our product pages (available flat for super strats or arched for Les Pauls): - Flat: www.seymourduncan.com/single-product/p-rails-triple-shot-set-flat - Arched: www.seymourduncan.com/single-product/p-rails-triple-shot-set-arched
Anyone curious about how these pickups would do in a mid grade Epiphone should check out Darrell Braun’s Ultimate Epiphone Challenge where he upgrades a relatively high end Epi (I.e. fancier wood) with these pups and correspondingly high grade electronics, then blind tests them against high end iconic American made guitars. I successfully identified the P-Rails in every test but one by choosing the sound I liked best. These really are pure genius.
Mike Whitfield I just watched his two videos, which is why I’m here doing further research (though, his videos pretty much already sold me on these pickups). I have a similar Epiphone LP - mine is a clear, dark red over curly maple with black hardware, so the black P-Rails will blend in nicely. The only thing I’m torn on is whether to do the push-pull pots for switching modes, because I do plan to upgrade the pots, selector switch, and jack like he did, anyway, or to go with the Triple Shot mounting rings to open up more tonal combinations. I’m probably going to flip the pickups to put the rails on the outside of the pickups to try to eek out a little more of the Strat/Tele sound, too. All in all, I’m pretty excited about this.
From what I've heard they are wonderful pickups. I too would be interested to know how they turn out with the rails on the outside. I'm torn on picking up an ESP or Epiphone for a similar build, but then I haven't touched my WIldkat in a month, so I really can't justify several hundred dollars to make a larger variety of unpleasant noises. My wife is unanimous about that. lol
Mike Whitfield LOL. In all honesty, I had set my instruments aside for so long that I’m literally (and embarrassingly) having to relearn how to play them. As soon as I plugged the LP in to play it for the first time in a long time I was completely disenchanted and disappointed in the sound. That video with him doing the pickup and electronics upgrades in his Epi LP rekindled the fire for it, though. Funny thing is, I wasn’t even looking for a video like that, but I have been watching a lot of guitar and bass related videos lately and had just recently (like in the last few days) discovered his channel. I saw him doing a comparison of Strats with the Squire Strat he’d upgraded, then the upgraded Epi LP video popped up as a suggestion. I’d never even heard of those P-Rails before. What a game-changer!
They will behave great in any decent guitar I'm sure as long as the pickups never find out they've been installed in a cheap guitar If they do find out they will quit working all together But there is no way any one person will ever be a decent player if the headstock indicates it's a budget priced guitar Budget priced guitar players automatically have to suck at playing Those are the rules! It just is!
@Fred Garvin You look like the guy to ask; I hope you get this message. I have an electric 12 (Jay Turser JT-Hawk 12) made with crappy HBs and a mini-switch that's either a series/parallel or coil tap. I'm thinking about getting the set in this video to expand the otherwise underwhelming tonal variance. There are actually other problems with the guitar--suspected linear pots combined with cheap caps, what to do with that mini-switch if I get these pickups, etc.--but I have plans for these, so let's set those aside for a sec. In your experience, would this pickup set help such a guitar? BTW, I'm NOT looking to achieve or emulate any particular 12-string tones; I'm just trying to get a better selection of tones with pickups that complement this kind of guitar. This really looks like the set to get, and I can build on it from there. Thanks in advance!
wow, I'm blown away by the versatility of these pickups, such an ingenuous idea +SeymourDuncan . just out of curiosity, would it be possible to get a set of these made in an 8 string variant through the custom shop?
+Sebastian Suarez I am pretty sure the custom shop can make 8th string version of the P-rails. You might need toggle switches to operate them though.. I don' think triple shot rings will be available for 7 or 8 strings.
+Seymour Duncan Pickups Do you know when the information lost in the redesign might be restored to your website? Pickup specifications are incomplete (e.g. resonant peak specifications), and many wiring diagrams are missing. Speaking of which, the filters on the wiring diagram page are far too limiting. Do not get me wrong: I love the sound samples and the various methods of filtering and sorting the regular production pickups. In that regard, you have leapfrogged the DiMarzio website.
4 combinations neck then 4 in bridge then 4x4=16 in middle for a total 24 coil combinations, then x3 for clean/crunch/lead to around 72 different tones he could demonstrate in a single demo, of course he did not do all of them. Sure guys who know each kind of pickup can appreciate this demo but I got lost :on so many options(
+Javier Aldan Series/parallel and phase reverse switches (I prefer reversing the neck like Peter Green to reversing the bridge like Jimmy Page) will enable 72 tonal options from the guitar itself, and the standard P-Rails sets produces a lovely growl when in series and out of phase (not much amp gain is needed). Having said that, I also added volume and tone bypasses to enable 288 tonal options (from a PRS SE 245, which I gave to my father). By the way, I prefer the P-Rails mounted with the Rails out (i.e. the Seymour Duncan logos upside down).
wow just wow I heard some of the best tones ever and I'm one picky old fart from way back. Just in love with that Charvel. Awesome playing Steve It must be rough to have to get up and come to work at Seymour Duncan every day I mean just look at the working conditions and yet not once through the whole video did I hear a complaint not once. Hang in there man things can only get better!
I might my Epiphone BB King Lucile back soon from the luthier who installing it for me with a Fishman Piezo Powerbridge and Powerchip , cannot wait to blend them all together...
I have a '98 PRS CE-22. I tried a few different pickups in it and was not really impressed. I put in the P-Rails with the Triple Shots.......O M G This guitar has a ton of tones now and I almost got rid of it! Great pickup. It's my favorite Duncan
Hi. I've owned P-Rails & Triple shots for some years now, and recently wondered if you would consider making some other versions. Have you ever thought of making the rail a 'lipstick' pickup for the neck position, or making the 'soap bar' a gold foil pup? Or, even pushing the boat out a bit and making the rail a mini minibucker? AND... Could you make some triple shots with four switches, so I can throw two of your single coil sized hummers in?
Hi! Is there any particular reason why the Neck's rail is positioned towards the bridge? Will there be any negative effect if I put it pointing towards the neck? thanks!
Would these pickups work well in a metal context? I’m thinking of doing a modification to my Jackson Kelly where the neck pickup and bridge pickups are wired separately so I can get cleans out of the neck and switch to distortion on the bridge to not have to worry about channel switching.
John Browne of Monuments has a mayones loaded with a set of these. I’d say you’re fine but you won’t be able to go from high gain to clean just with a coil split. Not sure there are many pickups out there that can do that without serious loss in volume and tone. In addition most modern metal high gain channels just compress too much to have any clean headroom.
I resisted getting into the technicality of my guitars for years, but I have done one of my instruments some unjustice by never having played the guitar because I don't know how to operate its floyd rose bridge. Its a black 2002 Squier Showmaster. It's missing strings and its all dusty with everything still stock. I want to make a project out of this thing. But I'll need some help choosing my pick ups because I know next to nothing about them. I found Seymour Duncan because I'm taking inspiration from my favorite guitar player Mickey Melchiondo and he uses 1 set of hot rails on his Strat. This thing has 24 frets on a rosewood board, reverse headstock, super strat style layout with 1 humbuck and 2 times single row pick ups, with a Floyd Rose bridge. And it also has these 3 screws on top of the neck that lock the strings or something. I am buying a set of D'addario EXL110 nickle wound light strings to replace the current broken and old strings. I want to remove the humbuckers and the other two pick ups. I read that they are worthless. As for the humbuckers I found three options - which is what brought me to this video - : The Dimebucker, The Jupiter Rails & Hot P - Rails. Now I'm having a hard time choosing which one to go with and what to combine it with in terms of the other two pick ups. I have yet to even figure out what type of pick ups these two are. I am uncertain if I can throw in some strat model pick ups or if it need be tele pick ups. because there is a lot of open space around my current pick ups that seem to be share a baseplate shape like the tele pickups on the seymour duncan website. Some interesting pickups I found are the Custom Stack Plus Strat overwound. Custom/vintage staggered strat. I feel like any of these 3 could be paired up and put in combination with the Dimebucker.
bought 2 sets of triple shot mounts 1 year ago - small switches on BOTH sets packed up today - yep same day!. Both contain SD JB/Jazz pups which are awesome. My fav would have to be my custom shop Pearly Gates - choice for blues. Will contact my Aussie supplier tomorrow - I wonder what the response will be. Cost over $100/set here - not impressed.
Nice demo! I'd probably utilize it similar to what you've done here (heavier styles but a range of tones... minus your skill, haha). I play a Mesa Boogie though and if I really wanted to play some heavy, tight, dark crunchy stuff, can you dial that in with these? They seem a little fuzzy or flabby for lack of a better term. Thoughts?
I'm trying to get the scoop on these as well in that regard. I get the impression, from all the demos I've heard, that in series humbucker mode on the bridge pickup, they behave like a higher output alnico humbucker. It's not going to behave like some mega high output modern metal pickup, but I get the impression it'd probably handle higher gain just fine (it doesn't at all, as a humbucker, seem like a low output vintage gibson humbucker or anything). Go to 1:12 to see what the humbucker in series sounds like
Just out of curiosity, how do you think a P-Rails style humbucker that's a Gold-Foil instead of the P-90 and a Lipstick Tube instead of the Rail would sound?
I had a similar idea! I have an electric 12 for which I'm considering this ☝ set, but prior to seeing this video, I pondered combining lipstick pickups like the Danelectro 12s use with P90s. I think this set would probably suffice for my needs, although I'd probably like them in chrome or gold, so people ask me what the hell they are and I can tell them. 😀
These are amazing, i have a set in my Ibanez s. The only issue is i have the normal Dimarzio single coil in the middle and he just sucks! He has a weak sound in comparison with the spitted P-Rails and he is also to high. Any ideas witch Duncan coil would do the job?
these PUPS are the tits, I remember Esp launch a guitar back in 07-08 loaded with these, is it possible to fit one in a Bohemian surf wax guitar? I only ask because if it is possible w/out any alteration I'll do it and run the switches via mini toggle
Hello! I have been going through many pick up but I don't seem to find the proper one for a fat juicy sound. I love blues but also hard rock. Could these pickups do the right job on an epiphone lp custom pro? since these are demoed in a way diferent guitar with maple neck and finger board. Thank you!
The P-Rails with the Triple Shot rings are capable of a fat, juicy sound (both coils in series). They are also suitable for a wide variety of music. You can also check out the Slash set as well as the Whole Lotta Humbuckers- both which specialize in blues and hard rock.
For more information about the P-Rails and Triple Shot combos, check out our product pages (available flat for super strats or arched for Les Pauls):
- Flat: www.seymourduncan.com/single-product/p-rails-triple-shot-set-flat
- Arched: www.seymourduncan.com/single-product/p-rails-triple-shot-set-arched
The thing that impresses me with these pickups is not only the diversity but how good in each position sounds. I'm hoping to pick up a set up soon
Thanks for this comment! We would love to hear what you think about this set.
All my favorite music is Seymour Duncan PU demos.
..right?
Anyone curious about how these pickups would do in a mid grade Epiphone should check out Darrell Braun’s Ultimate Epiphone Challenge where he upgrades a relatively high end Epi (I.e. fancier wood) with these pups and correspondingly high grade electronics, then blind tests them against high end iconic American made guitars. I successfully identified the P-Rails in every test but one by choosing the sound I liked best. These really are pure genius.
Mike Whitfield
I just watched his two videos, which is why I’m here doing further research (though, his videos pretty much already sold me on these pickups). I have a similar Epiphone LP - mine is a clear, dark red over curly maple with black hardware, so the black P-Rails will blend in nicely. The only thing I’m torn on is whether to do the push-pull pots for switching modes, because I do plan to upgrade the pots, selector switch, and jack like he did, anyway, or to go with the Triple Shot mounting rings to open up more tonal combinations. I’m probably going to flip the pickups to put the rails on the outside of the pickups to try to eek out a little more of the Strat/Tele sound, too. All in all, I’m pretty excited about this.
From what I've heard they are wonderful pickups. I too would be interested to know how they turn out with the rails on the outside. I'm torn on picking up an ESP or Epiphone for a similar build, but then I haven't touched my WIldkat in a month, so I really can't justify several hundred dollars to make a larger variety of unpleasant noises. My wife is unanimous about that. lol
Mike Whitfield
LOL. In all honesty, I had set my instruments aside for so long that I’m literally (and embarrassingly) having to relearn how to play them. As soon as I plugged the LP in to play it for the first time in a long time I was completely disenchanted and disappointed in the sound. That video with him doing the pickup and electronics upgrades in his Epi LP rekindled the fire for it, though. Funny thing is, I wasn’t even looking for a video like that, but I have been watching a lot of guitar and bass related videos lately and had just recently (like in the last few days) discovered his channel. I saw him doing a comparison of Strats with the Squire Strat he’d upgraded, then the upgraded Epi LP video popped up as a suggestion. I’d never even heard of those P-Rails before. What a game-changer!
They will behave great in any decent guitar I'm sure as long as the pickups never find out they've been installed in a cheap guitar
If they do find out they will quit working all together
But there is no way any one person will ever be a decent player if the headstock indicates it's a budget priced guitar
Budget priced guitar players automatically have to suck at playing
Those are the rules! It just is!
I've installed at leat 20 sets of these. Most of them were in several bands and wanted a to be able to carry one guitar. This set up does the trick.
@Fred Garvin
You look like the guy to ask; I hope you get this message.
I have an electric 12 (Jay Turser JT-Hawk 12) made with crappy HBs and a mini-switch that's either a series/parallel or coil tap. I'm thinking about getting the set in this video to expand the otherwise underwhelming tonal variance. There are actually other problems with the guitar--suspected linear pots combined with cheap caps, what to do with that mini-switch if I get these pickups, etc.--but I have plans for these, so let's set those aside for a sec.
In your experience, would this pickup set help such a guitar?
BTW, I'm NOT looking to achieve or emulate any particular 12-string tones; I'm just trying to get a better selection of tones with pickups that complement this kind of guitar. This really looks like the set to get, and I can build on it from there.
Thanks in advance!
wow, I'm blown away by the versatility of these pickups, such an ingenuous idea +SeymourDuncan . just out of curiosity, would it be possible to get a set of these made in an 8 string variant through the custom shop?
+Sebastian Suarez Most likely, just be prepared to pay a lot for them.
+Sebastian Suarez I am pretty sure the custom shop can make 8th string version of the P-rails. You might need toggle switches to operate them though.. I don' think triple shot rings will be available for 7 or 8 strings.
+Sebastian Suarez Yes, our Custom Shop can make those!
+Seymour Duncan Pickups Do you know when the information lost in the redesign might be restored to your website? Pickup specifications are incomplete (e.g. resonant peak specifications), and many wiring diagrams are missing. Speaking of which, the filters on the wiring diagram page are far too limiting.
Do not get me wrong: I love the sound samples and the various methods of filtering and sorting the regular production pickups. In that regard, you have leapfrogged the DiMarzio website.
+Robstafarian We are aware of these problems and are working on it every day!
At first glance I was like"wait.what?Ronnie James Dio is playing guitar?"
I see the resemblance, but this guy looks like he's about twice the size of RJD....
I thought maybe Kirk Hammet but there wasn’t any wah so....
@@jeddak isnt everyone? 🤣🤣🤣
4 combinations neck then 4 in bridge then 4x4=16 in middle for a total 24 coil combinations, then x3 for clean/crunch/lead to around 72 different tones he could demonstrate in a single demo, of course he did not do all of them. Sure guys who know each kind of pickup can appreciate this demo but I got lost :on so many options(
+Javier Aldan Series/parallel and phase reverse switches (I prefer reversing the neck like Peter Green to reversing the bridge like Jimmy Page) will enable 72 tonal options from the guitar itself, and the standard P-Rails sets produces a lovely growl when in series and out of phase (not much amp gain is needed). Having said that, I also added volume and tone bypasses to enable 288 tonal options (from a PRS SE 245, which I gave to my father).
By the way, I prefer the P-Rails mounted with the Rails out (i.e. the Seymour Duncan logos upside down).
+Robstafarian I concure good sir! :D
..they ALL sounds great tho..not one bad.Love🖤
wow just wow I heard some of the best tones ever and I'm one picky old fart from way back. Just in love with that Charvel. Awesome playing Steve It must be rough to have to get up and come to work at Seymour Duncan every day I mean just look at the working conditions and yet not once through the whole video did I hear a complaint not once. Hang in there man things can only get better!
I'm building a Firebird style Body with my signature Headstock. Going With SD PRAILS and Triple Shot Trim. This Video Clinched It For Me!!!!
I might my Epiphone BB King Lucile back soon from the luthier who installing it for me with a Fishman Piezo Powerbridge and Powerchip , cannot wait to blend them all together...
Steve can make anything sound good
I had no idea these things existed this is amazing! surprised this is not standard equipment in most guitars!
I have a '98 PRS CE-22. I tried a few different pickups in it and was not really impressed. I put in the P-Rails with the Triple Shots.......O M G
This guitar has a ton of tones now and I almost got rid of it! Great pickup. It's my favorite Duncan
Hi.
I've owned P-Rails & Triple shots for some years now, and recently wondered if you would consider making some other versions.
Have you ever thought of making the rail a 'lipstick' pickup for the neck position, or making the 'soap bar' a gold foil pup?
Or, even pushing the boat out a bit and making the rail a mini minibucker?
AND...
Could you make some triple shots with four switches, so I can throw two of your single coil sized hummers in?
All these are possible in our Custom Shop (and I believe have been made). If they get more popular, we would add them to our production line.
Great tones and playing.
Wonderful demo, man. Really enjoy the music!!! (and ggreat tones btw)
trying to decide on pickups & wiring ?
SD P-rails with triple shot rings
or
Kent Armstrong PAF with Jimmy Page wiring
Are they noiseless when set at "single" mode (i.e. just the P90 or just the rail)?
Phil L no sadly they hum unless of course both pickups are activated then they hum cancel
Delicious tones. Congrats 👍😃🎸
Hi! Is there any particular reason why the Neck's rail is positioned towards the bridge? Will there be any negative effect if I put it pointing towards the neck? thanks!
Would these pickups work well in a metal context? I’m thinking of doing a modification to my Jackson Kelly where the neck pickup and bridge pickups are wired separately so I can get cleans out of the neck and switch to distortion on the bridge to not have to worry about channel switching.
John Browne of Monuments has a mayones loaded with a set of these. I’d say you’re fine but you won’t be able to go from high gain to clean just with a coil split. Not sure there are many pickups out there that can do that without serious loss in volume and tone.
In addition most modern metal high gain channels just compress too much to have any clean headroom.
I've been through 2 Triple Shots already, things just do not last and it's a shame. I love them but I can't afford to keep buying them.
If you are having issues with them, contact the factory via our home page and we may be able to help you.
This sounds like heaven tones. I want these pickups bad
Which one perfect for Rock Metal JB or p rails
I wish we could actually hear the real sound of the pick ups without distortion
I resisted getting into the technicality of my guitars for years, but I have done one of my instruments some unjustice by never having played the guitar because I don't know how to operate its floyd rose bridge. Its a black 2002 Squier Showmaster. It's missing strings and its all dusty with everything still stock. I want to make a project out of this thing. But I'll need some help choosing my pick ups because I know next to nothing about them. I found Seymour Duncan because I'm taking inspiration from my favorite guitar player Mickey Melchiondo and he uses 1 set of hot rails on his Strat.
This thing has 24 frets on a rosewood board, reverse headstock, super strat style layout with 1 humbuck and 2 times single row pick ups, with a Floyd Rose bridge. And it also has these 3 screws on top of the neck that lock the strings or something. I am buying a set of D'addario EXL110 nickle wound light strings to replace the current broken and old strings. I want to remove the humbuckers and the other two pick ups. I read that they are worthless. As for the humbuckers I found three options - which is what brought me to this video - : The Dimebucker, The Jupiter Rails & Hot P - Rails. Now I'm having a hard time choosing which one to go with and what to combine it with in terms of the other two pick ups. I have yet to even figure out what type of pick ups these two are. I am uncertain if I can throw in some strat model pick ups or if it need be tele pick ups. because there is a lot of open space around my current pick ups that seem to be share a baseplate shape like the tele pickups on the seymour duncan website.
Some interesting pickups I found are the Custom Stack Plus Strat overwound. Custom/vintage staggered strat. I feel like any of these 3 could be paired up and put in combination with the Dimebucker.
bought 2 sets of triple shot mounts 1 year ago - small switches on BOTH sets packed up today - yep same day!. Both contain SD JB/Jazz pups which are awesome. My fav would have to be my custom shop Pearly Gates - choice for blues. Will contact my Aussie supplier tomorrow - I wonder what the response will be. Cost over $100/set here - not impressed.
Nice demo! I'd probably utilize it similar to what you've done here (heavier styles but a range of tones... minus your skill, haha). I play a Mesa Boogie though and if I really wanted to play some heavy, tight, dark crunchy stuff, can you dial that in with these? They seem a little fuzzy or flabby for lack of a better term. Thoughts?
I'm trying to get the scoop on these as well in that regard. I get the impression, from all the demos I've heard, that in series humbucker mode on the bridge pickup, they behave like a higher output alnico humbucker. It's not going to behave like some mega high output modern metal pickup, but I get the impression it'd probably handle higher gain just fine (it doesn't at all, as a humbucker, seem like a low output vintage gibson humbucker or anything). Go to 1:12 to see what the humbucker in series sounds like
How would an "HSH" setup be like? What would you recommend for the middle pickup?
Cool or hot rails makes a great middle pickup
SD makes a prewired pickguard for a strat with 2 of these in it and some single coil in the middle. You could look at what they put in that for ideas.
Just out of curiosity, how do you think a P-Rails style humbucker that's a Gold-Foil instead of the P-90 and a Lipstick Tube instead of the Rail would sound?
That is a cool idea! I bet the Custom Shop could build it, too!
I had a similar idea! I have an electric 12 for which I'm considering this ☝ set, but prior to seeing this video, I pondered combining lipstick pickups like the Danelectro 12s use with P90s. I think this set would probably suffice for my needs, although I'd probably like them in chrome or gold, so people ask me what the hell they are and I can tell them. 😀
Anyone knows if is possible to play metal with those pickups ?
putting the single coil and the p-90 together in series turns it into a humbucker
..this a eureka here fellas..I already thinking Seymour..already thinking p-90..this it...and the bezel..🤯🎵🖤🎩🤘🥼
Where can i get this wiring diagram?
www.seymourduncan.com/wiring-diagrams?meta_params=guitar-options,2-pickups,neck-pr,bridge-pr,2-volume
Hey guys have you tried the rails in series together? How was that?
Big and thick. Good for slow, deep, heavy, doomy stuff.
These are amazing, i have a set in my Ibanez s.
The only issue is i have the normal Dimarzio single coil in the middle and he just sucks!
He has a weak sound in comparison with the spitted P-Rails and he is also to high.
Any ideas witch Duncan coil would do the job?
+schissgring Depends on what sound you are going for, what guitar & what amp. The Quarter Pound will match the P-Rail in output, though.
***** Guitar Ibanez S, Amp Fender, Marshall, Mesa and Line6 dt 25.
Sound Rock, Blues, Metal, Funk, Jazz ^^
I want to be flexible ;-)
I'd go Quarter Pound for output, or a Classic Strat Stack if you want some cool quack in there too.
Thanks for the recommendations, i think i will try the Quarter Pound because you mention it two times ^^
these PUPS are the tits, I remember Esp launch a guitar back in 07-08 loaded with these, is it possible to fit one in a Bohemian surf wax guitar? I only ask because if it is possible w/out any alteration I'll do it and run the switches via mini toggle
Hello! I have been going through many pick up but I don't seem to find the proper one for a fat juicy sound. I love blues but also hard rock. Could these pickups do the right job on an epiphone lp custom pro? since these are demoed in a way diferent guitar with maple neck and finger board.
Thank you!
The P-Rails with the Triple Shot rings are capable of a fat, juicy sound (both coils in series). They are also suitable for a wide variety of music. You can also check out the Slash set as well as the Whole Lotta Humbuckers- both which specialize in blues and hard rock.
I keep coming back to this pickup. I think my sixty six will probably get one someday.
saved the best for last :D
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well done bro...:)
jeesh with the distortion it's all basically the same, too bad
Well, too bad u can't hear the difference
Why isn’t Jimmy Page equipped his guitars with this leading edge device? Is Jimmy a has been?
It's so hot, sweety and delicious tone.
Sounds all the same
meh