I worked on a railroad 44 years and someone came up with a great idea to rerail cars that saved us a lot of time and work. It was a pair of steel bars tapered from 0 to just about rail height. They were about 2 inches thick. It was fast and easy to place one of those inside the rail sitting on the base and as soon as the wheel got onto it
I liked this. I can remember as a kid in the 70's my POP, got a 44 back on the track near the silo's at THE ROCK. He had a day off but got the Fettlers to put the sleepers under the front and reversed it while the others were waiting for the old yellow crane from Junee. He got out, went home, and poured a beer.
When i worked for QR. We had a thing to attach to the rails that had a ramp on. For re-railing carriages. Also had a clamp to bring the rails back into the right gauge again.
This video was really great Rocketboy1950! It was amazing to witness the recovery process of rerailing the bogies. Two thumbs up, a very rare capture of something you don't see often.
I still love the look of that era of engines stream line sleek powerful they are just easy on the eye in a time when now looks are more important than performance and still these look better than anything out now
Simon, unfortunately the wheels come up on the blocks ( which are not placed long enough ) and drop back on the ground while the rear wheel is coming up. All the blocks were a waste of time therefore. The wheels rerailed when they got to the concrete road crossing. Maybe someone needs a tape measure next time. And yes, I have rerailed cars.
What gradient if any was there and which way was the train running? It seems to me that the rail will always fail on the side that the escapement from gyroscopic nutation sends it: ua-cam.com/video/hVKz9G3YXiw/v-deo.html www.cleonis.nl/physics/phys256/gyroscope_physics.php When a disturbing torque is applied while the body is rotating such that the rotation axis describes a cone, with the vertical through the vertex of the body as axis of the cone, and the motion of the rotating body is perpendicular to the direction of the torque.
It is a low speed freight line which is not maintained or inspected to anything like the standard of a main line. Having said that I agree that the system is a mess.
It is a very heavy metal ramp that fits over a rail and allows a wheel to be dragged up to a point at which it will drop back into position on the track.
I was sitting on a railway wall years ago watching trains pass, We heard the train from a distance and it sounded horribly deafening, as it got nearer we could see smoke towards the back end. The loco and 1st few wagons were ok but then we could see the last 20 odd cars with wheels about 1ft off. The smoke was the wheels chewing the sleepers and crushing ballast while travelling about 25-30 in a cutting on a steep gradient which made a frightening sound.such an awesome sight. cool video though
I worked for the Santa Fe, and Burlington Northern as a freight brakeman/ conductor for 20 years. The device your thinking about is called a frog. Used it quite a few times in cars jumping track in industrial parks, or splitting a switch. Derailments are usually a wheel looses it's press on a axle, wheel bearing goes, axle or wheel breaks, dragging equipment, or engineer going too fast for track condition.
thanx for your reply I remember years ago they used to have a special peice of equipment that was called a rerailer made of steel I think it was placed in front of the derailed wheels and formed a sort of ramp that the wheels ran onto and onto the line maybe some of the old rail men will remember them but they were standard equipment back then
When a train goes on the ground here in the States, many times they will use a "re-railing frog" which is a steel plate angled back to the rail. It catches the flange and forces it back up onto the track. It serves the same purpose as the wood used in the segment at 2:40.
This is a great video Rocketboy1950! I am a collector of Railway Digest (for those who don't know what it is, it's a railway magazine in Australia) and i see locomotive S303 alot in them. I see that these sleepers are wooden so this must be a grain siding i suppose? It obviously doesn't get much attention, so (it's just a guess) while the train was rolling over this railway the track rolled and spread. So the train derailed.
When this happens in Britain, the entire system shuts down for hours, sometimes for most of the day.But, when the system shuts down, its usually due to vandalism on signalling equipment.
I remember being in the cab of C501 backing up in the SG road to the turntable at Seymour when the trailing bogie(or truck for any americans) did the same thing, in the dirt big time!!
The Victorian Railways engines all used to carry the frogs but I guess since the break up I guess the different companies decided it was too expensive to carry them of course VR also used have their own breakdown crane trains allways ready in major yards ready to go at any time
We never used screws in Australia. The real issue here was probably rotted sleepers that allowed the spikes to give and spread the rails. It's only a 15km/h freight line with almost no traffic these days. As a result it doesn't get much attention.
We had some tools made for this type of spread rail and it was very simple. A pair of steel slabs cut like a tear drop sort of about 25 5o 35 inches long and about 2 inches thick. use them in place of oak wedges an just place a tiny sliver of wood to keep the wheel from pushing the wedges. Sort of pin them down. The top of them needs to be tall enough for the tallest rails.
2:14 they’re damaging the track more by driving The train still in the US they would check up the cars right away and put them back on the track not drive on and drag The train like that because all you’re doing is winding up spreading the track and tearing out spikes.
i know its not a metro line but i generally dont read the herald sun, i normally get the age, but an amazing video interesting to see how they re-railed that rollingstock at the end
l remember seeing this, it was the up end of Totty Yard, took me back years as seeing these old girls back on the rails reminded me of the mid 80's when they were a common sight out there as l had a perfect lookout from the Olex Tower
Those are still carried on branchline trains in the USA. A number of years on the Rock Island Railroad the tracks were so bad they even had derailments of standing trains.
Geez ! You'd think they'd have steel rerailing chocks similar to those common de-rails used to prevent cars rolling too near main.. Wood blocks !! My god how silly it looks !!
BTW, in Russian this equipment is called "frogs". A common things on industrial branches. And on narrow gauge railroads they usually kept 1-2 pairs of "frogs" on every locomotive, because there was a probability for a train about 50% to derail, or 50% not to derail, any time passing these some "ill" sites on the track (for example, some site with actual gauge 810 mm on 750 mm line :) ).
Ya gotta wonder. The old Commonwealth Railways carried one on each locomotive because they ran across such remote country with no help at hand for hundreds of miles.
@DaveWVideo and I'm stuffed if I know why they aren't in use here. The Commonwealth Railways carried them on the locos that ran across the Nullarbor. They were a bloody long way from help out there.
Yes, that's exactly what I am saying. It varies but the advertising generates $300-$900 a month. A nice return for something that I was doing for a hobby anyway.
Having done this a few times myself, but never alone, I know that rerailing equipment is a dirty, nasty, dangerous job. I just wonder why there was a gap in the wood cribbing and the concrete when the grain cars were being rerailed. And I am assuming that the passenger equipment on the adjacent tracks were operating under a slow order.
You need to look at some more of my videos and those of the two featured sites that I have on the main page. The old locos are on hire and doing lots of main line running..
Looking at several of this type of video. The common factor seems to be the use of spikes instead of screws to hold the rail in place and that they have been knocked back in. Is this the same here. I think the practice was outlawed decades ago in Europe.
@@gijs.22 what snow plow, this is Australia no trains run up the mountains to the snow, because no lines run up to the snow, if you want to go to the snow you need a truck, bus or car
Love that area mid way where you see how clunky the wheels are when not on the rails...nice!
The train derailed again 4 days later in the same spot.
"Luckly No one was hurt" - Thomas seasons 1-6
Lol
I worked on a railroad 44 years and someone came up with a great idea to rerail cars that saved us a lot of time and work. It was a pair of steel bars tapered from 0 to just about rail height. They were about 2 inches thick. It was fast and easy to place one of those inside the rail sitting on the base and as soon as the wheel got onto it
I liked this. I can remember as a kid in the 70's my POP, got a 44 back on the track near the silo's at THE ROCK. He had a day off but got the Fettlers to put the sleepers under the front and reversed it while the others were waiting for the old yellow crane from Junee. He got out, went home, and poured a beer.
When i worked for QR.
We had a thing to attach to the rails that had a ramp on.
For re-railing carriages.
Also had a clamp to bring the rails back into the right gauge again.
This video was really great Rocketboy1950!
It was amazing to witness the recovery process of rerailing the bogies. Two thumbs up, a very rare capture of something you don't see often.
I still love the look of that era of engines stream line sleek powerful they are just easy on the eye in a time when now looks are more important than performance and still these look better than anything out now
Thanks for uploading this one Rod. Interesting view you don't normally see of getting it back on the rails.
Great video.Very interesting .Love your work.
I'd never seen that done before, fascinating! Thanks Rod.
Thanks Rocketboy, a nice video showing something most of us never see.
Simon, unfortunately the wheels come up on the blocks ( which are not placed long enough ) and drop back on the ground while the rear wheel is coming up. All the blocks were a waste of time therefore. The wheels rerailed when they got to the concrete road crossing. Maybe someone needs a tape measure next time. And yes, I have rerailed cars.
What gradient if any was there and which way was the train running?
It seems to me that the rail will always fail on the side that the escapement from gyroscopic nutation sends it:
ua-cam.com/video/hVKz9G3YXiw/v-deo.html
www.cleonis.nl/physics/phys256/gyroscope_physics.php
When a disturbing torque is applied while the body is rotating such that the rotation axis describes a cone, with the vertical through the vertex of the body as axis of the cone, and the motion of the rotating body is perpendicular to the direction of the torque.
W U T T ? (the hell did you sayeeee?!?!) -:)
It is a low speed freight line which is not maintained or inspected to anything like the standard of a main line. Having said that I agree that the system is a mess.
Best damn rerail video ever!! Good job, and hope to see some more.
It is a very heavy metal ramp that fits over a rail and allows a wheel to be dragged up to a point at which it will drop back into position on the track.
Good old aussie hardwood.
I was sitting on a railway wall years ago watching trains pass, We heard the train from a distance and it sounded horribly deafening, as it got nearer we could see smoke towards the back end. The loco and 1st few wagons were ok but then we could see the last 20 odd cars with wheels about 1ft off. The smoke was the wheels chewing the sleepers and crushing ballast while travelling about 25-30 in a cutting on a steep gradient which made a frightening sound.such an awesome sight. cool video though
So freakishly cool
Oh. Thank you for the help.
I worked for the Santa Fe, and Burlington Northern as a freight brakeman/ conductor for 20 years. The device your thinking about is called a frog. Used it quite a few times in cars jumping track in industrial parks, or splitting a switch. Derailments are usually a wheel looses it's press on a axle, wheel bearing goes, axle or wheel breaks, dragging equipment, or engineer going too fast for track condition.
Quite unique rerailing method.
thanx for your reply I remember years ago they used to have a special peice of equipment that was called a rerailer made of steel I think it was placed in front of the derailed wheels and formed a sort of ramp that the wheels ran onto and onto the line maybe some of the old rail men will remember them but they were standard equipment back then
When a train goes on the ground here in the States, many times they will use a "re-railing frog" which is a steel plate angled back to the rail. It catches the flange and forces it back up onto the track. It serves the same purpose as the wood used in the segment at 2:40.
This is a great video Rocketboy1950! I am a collector of Railway Digest (for those who don't know what it is, it's a railway magazine in Australia) and i see locomotive S303 alot in them. I see that these sleepers are wooden so this must be a grain siding i suppose? It obviously doesn't get much attention, so (it's just a guess) while the train was rolling over this railway the track rolled and spread. So the train derailed.
As a QLD railwayman I thought - "yep, broad gauge, yep VIC, yep they've got no idea"! Tragic those two railwaymen died in their last derailment.
When this happens in Britain, the entire system shuts down for hours, sometimes for most of the day.But, when the system shuts down, its usually due to vandalism on signalling equipment.
What a vintage beauty.
I remember being in the cab of C501 backing up in the SG road to the turntable at Seymour when the trailing bogie(or truck for any americans) did the same thing, in the dirt big time!!
The Victorian Railways engines all used to carry the frogs but I guess since the break up I guess the different companies decided it was too expensive to carry them of course VR also used have their own breakdown crane trains allways ready in major yards ready to go at any time
This was built as an A7 and modified to become an A16C. It has six powered axles.
We never used screws in Australia. The real issue here was probably rotted sleepers that allowed the spikes to give and spread the rails. It's only a 15km/h freight line with almost no traffic these days. As a result it doesn't get much attention.
Screws were used on mbasin job
We had some tools made for this type of spread rail and it was very simple. A pair of steel slabs cut like a tear drop sort of about 25 5o 35 inches long and about 2 inches thick. use them in place of oak wedges an just place a tiny sliver of wood to keep the wheel from pushing the wedges. Sort of pin them down. The top of them needs to be tall enough for the tallest rails.
I think that they are still down the back on GM's and CL's. I certainly remember them. Most likely only used in remote locations for minor mishaps.
Cool... that was interesting to watch, great vid
even with a model train kit its a royal pain to put it back on the tracks somehow this seems easier
quality, fascinating video, thanks
Long ago we used mobile cranes too but when they had to crawl over rails we ended up buying them new tires sometimes. They cost a lot.
2:14 they’re damaging the track more by driving The train still in the US they would check up the cars right away and put them back on the track not drive on and drag The train like that because all you’re doing is winding up spreading the track and tearing out spikes.
@labhunter1 Generally about 76 tonnes but some grain cars are permitted 92 tonnes at a reduced speed on some lines.
Good video. Author, thank you! from Russia.
i know its not a metro line but i generally dont read the herald sun, i normally get the age, but an amazing video interesting to see how they re-railed that rollingstock at the end
HAH! Nice re-railer!
Also, when the shunters calls red light, it means RED LIGHT.
We have few derailments. This one was on a poorly maintained very low speed freight only line.
NHS
FEW ???? I'm glad your not in the airline business.
A vid of a small crew re-railing a Norfolk Southern SD40-2 led me here. Interesting to see how it's the same all around the world.
Great Work 🔥
good clip , i always wondered how they get these back on the tracks, and i wonder how often this happens that we don`t hear about ?
Thomas pulled the breakdown train as quick as possible.
l remember seeing this, it was the up end of Totty Yard, took me back years as seeing these old girls back on the rails reminded me of the mid 80's when they were a common sight out there as l had a perfect lookout from the Olex Tower
Very neat video!
Those are still carried on branchline trains in the USA. A number of years on the Rock Island Railroad the tracks were so bad they even had derailments of standing trains.
Isn't the opposite wheel pushing its rail out & spreading the track gauge, so when this wheel goes on, the other side gets pulled off?
Thanx for sharing!
Geez ! You'd think they'd have steel rerailing chocks similar to those common de-rails used to prevent cars rolling too near main.. Wood blocks !! My god how silly it looks !!
Well done, closeup video!
What incompetence at 2:40 and on. Couldn't see what would happen?
INCOMPETENCE???? These are SKILLED railroad workers!
That's why the railroad system in this country is always profitable!!!! 👎👎👎 😉
The cars with the yellow things on the wheels, do those have friction bearings?
Sweet saw the silos in the back!
BTW, in Russian this equipment is called "frogs". A common things on industrial branches. And on narrow gauge railroads they usually kept 1-2 pairs of "frogs" on every locomotive, because there was a probability for a train about 50% to derail, or 50% not to derail, any time passing these some "ill" sites on the track (for example, some site with actual gauge 810 mm on 750 mm line :) ).
Ya gotta wonder. The old Commonwealth Railways carried one on each locomotive because they ran across such remote country with no help at hand for hundreds of miles.
@DaveWVideo
We often use wood too actually. I think the reason being is because its easier to bring with you.
It's actually the down independent goods line near West Footscray.
re railing only two pairs of wheels are shown what happens to the other pairs
The old Victorian railways used to carry them as well
Looks like you guys still got straight plate wheels out there. I haven't see one in about 3 years on our railroad
@DaveWVideo and I'm stuffed if I know why they aren't in use here. The Commonwealth Railways carried them on the locos that ran across the Nullarbor. They were a bloody long way from help out there.
Thanks for how to wagons return to right track.
既に車輪が傷んでそう････｡
2:35､煉瓦らしき合成板での脱線を回復させても次々と粉々になりそうときも有るので､脱線を回復させることができないときも有ったけど､底に踏切が有ってて良かったです｡
@WBDE Yep the passenger traffic was being flagged to slow down. As to the process, I was just watching and waiting to drive the thing away.
MaY I know the track gauge in the area where derailment happened please?
5'3" (1600mm) Irish Broad Gauge, by the looks of the background, it's Tottenham yards located in the Western Suburbs of Melbourne, Australia
THANKS FOR SHARING NICE !
Cool video. What is the maximum weight of your cars?
Good video.thankyou.
The only solution to prevent derailments is to close down the railway. Derailments are caused by a multiplicity of factors and there is no solution.
Well captured...
Can I use this video in my train compilation video credit to you in video will be given..
Yes, that's exactly what I am saying. It varies but the advertising generates $300-$900 a month. A nice return for something that I was doing for a hobby anyway.
Are all of the cars roller bearings?
Excellent.
excellent video
金属の擦れ合う音がいい味出してます。
素晴しい動画だ！
Very nice!
nice video Rocketboy, Thanks
In america we call the wheels that are hopping on the sleepers limping or hopping
Having done this a few times myself, but never alone, I know that rerailing equipment is a dirty, nasty, dangerous job. I just wonder why there was a gap in the wood cribbing and the concrete when the grain cars were being rerailed. And I am assuming that the passenger equipment on the adjacent tracks were operating under a slow order.
You need to look at some more of my videos and those of the two featured sites that I have on the main page. The old locos are on hire and doing lots of main line running..
@fnh8340 In the US 2,000 pounds (lbs.) equals 1 ton. Thus 286,000 lbs is 143 tons. If 286,000 pounds is converted to kilograms it is 129,727.41782
Thanks
Other trains really don't slow down that much going through an derailment/accident scene
How would that help?
Is that at Sunshine or Tottenham?
:D Looks like the track flipped over on the train Maybe they could add 3 or 4 rails per track to help balance it out.
if the boards were slanted towards the rails, that might have worked
It did work?
Interesting stuff
So that's why there are rail crossoings not ony to have road crossing the rail but also to rerail a de-railed train thanks Buddy
Looking at several of this type of video. The common factor seems to be the use of spikes instead of screws to hold the rail in place and that they have been knocked back in. Is this the same here. I think the practice was outlawed decades ago in Europe.
Just immediately on the down side of the junction at West Footscray.
LOL check out that burn mark on the bottom left corner of the engin where it rubbed on the track
Looks like the rail rolled over counter-clockwise ... interesting ...
Railway is in a sorry state if you can't prevent derailments.
Packing wasn't level and a large wedge would have helped near the concrete ..derailments was my job back in the late 70's and 80's
Wood logs? I expected some more advanced gadget. BTW there is not any mention if some repairs on wagon or loco was needed.
iannickCZ well i think the loco needed some repair didn't you see the plow
I do not know what you mean...which plow?
+iannickCZ i mean the snow plow on the front
@@gijs.22 what snow plow, this is Australia no trains run up the mountains to the snow, because no lines run up to the snow, if you want to go to the snow you need a truck, bus or car
@@dantemadden1533 after these 4 years i realised my stupidity lol
bad maintenance.