Firefly: The BIG MISTAKES Never Mentioned that REALLY ended the Show!
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- Опубліковано 5 бер 2021
- We explain the short life of this amazing scifi epic western.
Firefly was lucky to be born at all but the reason it was canceled and the movie sabotaged was because extreme incompetence and a very stubborn director.
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the cancellation of firefly was a political decision. just like defiance.
The obstacle now is Whedon himself, Gorramit... 🤦
@@itsMe_TheHerpes At least Defiance had an ending.
Jericho could also have continued on TV, if they had the balls.
I don't think they missed, I say it's the best they could do with what they got. To try to tie up everything in a two hour movie wasn't going to happen. You have back stories missed on the crew, reavers, the alliance, independents, the killers hunting River, blue sun's, organize crime factions, working class civilians, wealthy citizens, slaves, the old earth and how and who used it up and on and on. I wish for all this and more the lore is so massive, but happy with what I got. Maybe a streeming service will reboot it and have more success. Then the crazies questions of all are who plays are favorite crew lol, just my opinion.
The fact that this video exists, a solid 15 years after the show aired, speaks for itself.
Well said, I second that motion
Amen, brother. Well said.
Make that nearly 20 years! It aired in 2002 I think. Crazy.
Wait. What?
While i only "heard' of the show after cancellation, I actually bought the DVD on a whim.....Then I forgot about it....So one night I was digging through my DVDS and I found Serenity....I watched it and was amazed how good the movie was. While there was some lacking in back stories, I thoroughly enjoyed all the characters.The actors I recognized were in different TV shows and movies made the movie much better, I still watch the movie several times a year...4-8 times...I'd wish for another movie....and hope for it.
What made firefly special was the chemistry with the cast was gold. The story was intriguing for sure but the cast just felt like family. The arguing and adventures and laughs were just great.
LoL yea man Don't forget the Crazy Uncle/MAD Dad And Little Sister that needs her meds to keep her feet ON the Ground😜😜😜😵🙈🙉🙊
Aside from 'the whore', Serenity's crew was a fun bunch. There was so much more to do with them.
I always felt that the "Love keeps her flying" speech at the end of Serenity was aimed at the fans who kept it going.
For the love of God, do NOT let Disney touch Firefly
Touchstone touch maybe
Wait until Kathleen is gone before bringing up Firefly. Otherwise we will get a shot for shot remake of the show with unlikable wooden performances and egos the size of planets.
@@whollymindless And not a straight white male in sight.
young and edgy cast, and no more of the silly space and ship and western stuff
eeew, i will stop watching if those evil people get their crappy claws into this show. walt disney is rolling over in his grave watching what has been done to him.
The cancellation of Firefly was the biggest crime in television history.
GoT series 8 eh !
@@richardbradley2335 Blame George. D&D & HBO were contractually obligated to get to George’s ending. And if you’ve read the books, you know George has always been more about the surprise twist than staying true to the characters as written. Thankfully, Ty Franck, one half of James S. A. Corey who wrote The Expanse books, (and is GRRM’s former assistant), and his writing partner Daniel Abraham, are not married to The Twist, and so far, their characters have stayed true to themselves & circumstances. Sure, D&D&B had to cut all the red herring plot lines for budget and story purposes, and I personally, considering I work in the industry and know how things get done (or in most cases don’t), worked miracles with those bookies, especially the hot mess books 4 & 5 turned into because George doubled the cast both times to distract from everyone figuring out who Jon Snow was because he put that info in the first book, and that they were only going off of George’s outline for books 6 & 7 (which I don’t believe we’ll ever see.) If you’ve not watched the Expanse, do so. But be patient. There are three sets of characters that need to be established before they can converge, which takes a bit of time. But it’s as good as Firefly and BSG when it finally reaches the top of the roller coaster and turns into TV Crack. 🤓
@@talismanb6449 If I would name one strength of Martin's writing is that he stays true to his character's personalities even with his twists - something I can't sadly say about the TV series after it had no source material left. And yes: The books 4 & 5 needed a rework for the series - but I wouldn't consider it a miracle with things like the Dorne storyline (if you don't want it in simply don't use it!) or the events around Arya. And no: Even Martin himself seems to have no clear idea in mind how the book series will end (besides that there will be a King Bran) so I think it has more to do with the issue that the showrunners needed to improvise on a vague outline.
*cough* Star Trek *cough* :)
@@JDGennTAS got two seasons; TOS and DSC both got three seasons; ENT got four. TNG, DS9 and VOY all got the full seven. Firefly got axed in the middle of its first season. All things considered, Trekkers have fared rather better than Browncoats.
Fox: "I swear by my pretty floral bonnet, I will end you."
Firefly: "Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!"
I see what you did there...
You win.
Everything.
I love it when Firefly fans do that!! Matt Dowds for President!!😍
I wish i had thought of that. Most excellent!
"Oh, God the terror!
_Oh dear God in heaven!"_
Firefly was a well written show with relatable characters. Sad we only got one season.
It hurts more when you find out they had another 5 or 6 seasons planned out. But there is about 17 years worth of comics already out and a current series going on right now so at least we have that
@@hamburgerdog25 6 seasons and a movie!
The characters were so unique. I liked hem all, they had personality faults yet still very lovable.
My favorite episode was " out of gas". It showed how they became what they were.
ABSOFUKINLUTELY
Same, glad they made that episode particularly
There was a run of flawless episodes: Jaynestown, Out of Gas, Ariel, and War Stories. Those four together just ruins almost all TV for me.
Firefly would have had 10 seasons, if Prime was around.
You're right. I'm just happy Amazon saved The Expanse.
@@Texas240 I love the expanse! One of the few series (outside Anime) that I have kept up to date on
@@Texas240 And Netflix saved Lucifer.
@@frankgesuele6298 - I had to drop Netflix after they removed user reviews due to "the feature not being used." Not used?? Everyone uses reviews. How else are people supposed to know if something they haven't heard of is interesting to them.
It was some BS about certain movies receiving bad reviews that feminists and SJWs were championing (propaganda, basically).
I kept finding reviews on Amazon when I was Googling, so just switched to that instead. My personal limit on streaming services for movies/TV and music is one each.
If flix is saving mishandled things, good for them. However, you can keep flix. Every now and then, I receive a "come back now" email. It's funny that not when I canceled nor in any of these emails do they have a questionnaire about why I canceled in the first place. Netflix is a terrible company pushing feminist and SJW propaganda. That's just not the service for me!
4. At best.
I loved Firefly and miss it, Fox is a huge disappointment
Yes, when you realize how many shows they've killed on Friday nights, at some point they have to realize they need to lower their expectations for viewing on certain nights. Firefly was the big one they let get away for sure.
@@ThePopcast It wasn't just on Fridays, they were cancelling new shows left and right every day of the week. I've always felt that Fox got spoiled with the success of The Simpsons and X-Files and that any show that didn't hit those kinds of numbers right off the bat were canceled. They didn't want to take the time to let their shows find their legs and audience, they just wanted instant hits.
@@ThePopcast I really don't understand the thinking behind a lot of what the networks do. Do you remember the show 'Flash Forward', which I think was on NBC maybe 10 years ago? Lately a lot of shows are splitting up their seasons... show the first half several weeks in a row, and then come back 3 or 4 months later and finish the season. "Join us in February, and find out what happens"... yeah right. They get away with it when a show is a runaway hit like The Walking Dead, but with a lot of shows it kills their momentum and they never recover. Flash Forward had an interesting premise and a great cast, but it never recovered its ratings after the 'break', and they canceled it after the first season ended on a cliffhanger. Super frustrating when you get all invested in a show, and then it gets canceled because of their ineptitude.
@@Riceball01 Yep. I think that was _exactly_ their problem. I've always thought that if I were a creator with a show to bring to audiences, I would get down on my knees and pray to the gods of television that my series got bought by _any_ other network than Fox, because if they get it, and it doesn't take off like a rocket, it's doomed. Even when they didn't cancel shows outright after the first season, like they did with Firefly (or John Doe, another really interesting series they axed after I'd gotten invested in the story), then in pursuit of those magic numbers, they invariably meddled with the shows in ways that made the second season worse and killed any chance of success, like with Dark Angel or Human Target, for example.
Everything owned by Rupert Murdoch is a disappointment.
I backed into Firefly. I became a Firefly fan by going to see the movie at a friend's recommendation. Needless to say, I was blown away! A unique and involving story with fascinating characters! After leaving the theater I immediately ordered the the DVD's of the entire season and immersed myself in Whedon's rich, dynamic world. every episode a gem every character memorable and unique. I've been a die hard Firefly fan in mourning ever since.
You might also enjoy Whedon's "Dollhouse" as well - if you can find it. Ran two seasons.
"There wasn't a big enough fanbase" BUUUUUUUUUUUUULLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!! Afer all these YEARS, Browncoats are still here, and begging for more!
I had never even heard of the series "Firefly". I was looking for a movie to rent on video, back in 2008, I think. I found this movie called "Serenity". I read the back cover and wasn't sure if it would be worth watching but I decided what the heck. I really liked the movie and saw in the special features that it was based on a series called "Firefly". My curiosity was piqued and bought the series at a local entertainment retailer. I loved it from the very first episode. When I was finished I watched "Serenity" again. I liked the movie even more after having seen the series. This show was the product of Genius. I loved every character, and the Serenity. I think this is my favorite sci-fi show of all time. A pity that Studio chiefs and the like aren't as visionary as Joss Whedon has been.
Agreed Jerry Renn, one of my kids bought the box set for my birthday 2011, instant fan. Then zip, it's gone and I'm sure tainted by the almost anti-fan handling by fox. I also think it's death was political 100%. Firefly was born too late, With the little guy thumbing his nose at the man it would not surprise me to learn someone on capital hill said no no no wrong message fox. Look you can kill the show and here have this money, why not we're the government we print money around here... Or you can be a hard head and off the air this time next year, it's your call.
Think about it, when was the last time you saw anything from Orson Wells let alone 1984?
@@johnkiss8804 It wouldn't surprise me at all. Thanks for the insight.
That sounds amost exactly like my story
Same here. I saw Serenity first and really liked it. I told a friend who also likes sci-fi type things about it. He asked if I liked Firefly and I was like, "What's that?" and he told everything. I watched Firefly, and same as you, I liked the movie more after seeing the series. I first saw Serenity in 2008, also.
I also didn't know about the show until after the movie. And, I didn't know about the movie until streaming was a thing.
Marketing was simply terrible.
They'll NEVER take the sky from me!!
cant stop the feed baby!
@@ThePopcast "ain't no power in the verse that can stop me............."
Goram right
@@erikskole7669 I always wondered about that line. Kaylee said it to River when she got her apple back.. but when River said it back to Kaylee after saving her life, all of a sudden it's scary? That's gratitude for ya, I guess..
@@flappy7373 well she did say it just after doing a no look triple kill from one quick peek around the corner. I can see how that would creep some people out.
I am 67 years old, and I consider this one of the top 10 tv series of all time. I believe this show got the shaft. Joss Whedon was correct about the value of promoting the types of deeply portrayed characters his show gave us. I am a fan!
Totally agree. 55
Totally agree 49
60, and I agree, too. It had all the elements of an engaging show.
I'm 46 and I totally agree. The only show that began to get in the same arena was, IMO, Farscape. The writing wasn't at the same level and the main character was poorly cast, but it was gritty and incredibly fun. And it had several seasons to flesh everything out. I can't imagine how Firefly would have dominated had it had time to show off Joss Whedon's genius!
I watched the movie with my sister before i had seen the series (she had already watched the show) and i couldn't understand why she was crying when Book and Wash died. I then watched the show, fell in love with the characters and re-watched the movie.The second time i watched the movie, i cried like a baby. While the movie will always be in my top 10 favorites, you did need to watch the show first to become emotionally invested with characters.
This is probably the first "Things you didn't know" video I've ever seen that actually told me things I didn't know.
I didn't know anything about a show called "Firefly" when a friend took me to see "Serenity". Everything about the movie fascinated me! I wanted to know more about this world, and so, my friend introduced me to Firefly. I am one of those rabid fans, proud to be a browncoat, wearing my Jayne hat and "You are beginning to damage my calm" t-shirt. I even named my beat-up 1972 Chevy, "Serenity". My kids loved the show. I want to ask Nathan Fillion if he remembers a little 11 year old girl run up to him at Disneyland, stare at him with big eyes, scream in his face when he smiled at her because she recognized him, and run away.
This show will always be my favorite!
Thank you for this video!
It's probably a case of trying to remember which one of the little girls who did that..
I loved this show. Unfortunately, I found this long after the show was canceled. I loved ALL the characters, the story line everything. This story could still live by building on the individual characters- tell Bishop’s story, take anyone of the characters lifeline & run with it. Loved the wild cowboy background. Jose Whedon is pure magical genius!
Theres about 17 years worth of seversl comic runs for Firefly. Some of them take place before the movie, some after. Some of them tell backstories like for Shepherd Book and Ma Reynolds (Mal's mother). I would suggest catching up on those
@@hamburgerdog25 I was just going to recommend these Firefly comics. Some decent fill in for backstories and good adventures.
To this day, I tell the uninitiated that like most of FIrefly's fans, I only discovered it long after it had been cancelled.
The Firefly cancellation was a massive blow to my Sci-Fi viewing and I still dig out my box set and watch it even now. I had a vague hope when there was rumour that Firefly life would continue in an MMORPG, but alas that seems to have been stuck in Developement Limbo. I guess Mal and his crew continue to only live on in our memories.
I think Firefly was one of the BEST shows to ever come to television! The entire cast is magnificent! I almost feel that it was too good and had to end, before it was ruined by studios or bad writing. This way we can watch the crew of Serenity in all their glory. Firefly lives on in our dreams. If you don’t adore Firefly, we simply cannot be friends.
There were a lot of great lines in this series. Like, "If someone tries kill'in you, you kill em right back!" Words of wisdom from Mal.
or: i'll be in my bunk
you know what the chain of command is?
I quote that surprisingly frequently.
@@Verschal Jane had the best fucking comedic timing lol
I found Firefly through watching the Serenity movie. I loved it and was excited when I found out there was a series too. Then I was disappointed/mad to learn it was cancelled and cut short.
Closing scene of this vid with Wash saying his iconic line, Serenity flying and the music that contributed as much as the dialogue gave me goosebumps.
There is a special place reserved in Hell for the Fox Execs who cancelled Firefly.
Or a place in *the SPECIAL hell* ?
A special place on hell for all the really good shows they have canceled.
With child abusers and those who talk in the theater.
@@h.c.49 Isn't that... Special ?
@@DerOberfeldwebel it's one of Shepard Book's lines.
The biggest thing for me was that it was aired out of order. After "The Train Job," the next week's episode was the series premiere. For me, all the characters were meeting up and I was thinking to myself "what's going on?" because I didn't know it was being shown out of order. All because Fox wanted an "action episode" to kick off the series. Execs are soooo dumb.
Yeah, that was weird at the time.
Yeah.... like execs know what the people want.... idiots.... joss was a proven success with buffy and angel.... never fold... never give in... or you will always regret compromising your integrity
It also kept bouncing around the schedule. You never knew when it was going to be on. This was only a couple of years after the first DVRs came out.
Charlene C that surely didn’t help. Moving shows around or preempting them is a killer, and that is done on purpose. I wonder if they tried to sabotage the show. Maybe they thought it was too much money to make like the original Battlestar Galactica and got scared? Firefly wasn’t the greatest show ever, but it was really very good with a massive amount of potential. It never was even given a chance.
I saw Serenity first and LOVED the idea of a cowboy inspired space opera. When I found out about the show, I searched UA-cam. This was in 2006/07 so it was really hard to find. I saw it out of order and it was so confusing. Now that it's on Hulu, I can rewatch in order as much as I want.
I'm a very sad soul when I remember this show.
It was brilliant. Still is.
Shiny.
I always felt that from the moment Wash and Book were killed off, the show had effectively been executed for good. Great essay.
I am a leaf on the wind..watch how I crash and burn!😁
Definitely was not a good move.
By now, you'ld think EVERYONE in movie land would know that killing off beloved characters in completely pointless ways is a recipe for a flop. Remember Aliens 3?
Well, at least not after event from the movie. But they could do a show with event before the movie though where Wash and Book still is alive.
@@ErinPipes76 But this is Joss Whedon we're talking about, the king of killing off beloved characters.
I wish that the Firefly universe could be brought back to our screens somehow.
I'd love to see a show called "Tales From The Verse" where different characters, communities and planets could be explored in different episodes. but I doubt that will ever come to pass. 😞
Like almost every show in 2019 on, there are too many political opinions in them. The show would be lost from the start, but a good idea.
It's the exact same thing that happened to Picard and Discovery, they lost the soul of Star Trek by chasing the ideals of today.
There was a bid to do an animated Firefly series. That kind of show could still be pretty great.
@@michaelwolf8690 if they stay true to the original. Don't think I will hold my breath, the woke does not want to die yet.
@@michaelwolf8690 I guess, but me personally wouldn't be interested in animation or comic books.
Firefly had that rare chemistry among it's cast, similar to two other Wedon creations "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" and "Angel", that made us adore them. Another Wedon creation, "The Nevers", is equally fantastic. Joss may be a dick, but he has wise magic.
My experience was different from what this video claims. I had never heard of Firefly but saw Serenity in theaters with a friend and loved it. Then I found out it was from a cancelled show and sought out the show (and loved that too). There were a couple oddities in the film if you hadn't seen the shows but it wasn't a big deal (it just alluded to there being more but it wasn't necessary to the plot at hand). I don't think TV and film needs to hold the viewer's hands and explicitly spell out everything. The character deaths were powerful even though I hadn't seen the series and made me wonder who - if any - were going to survive the final battle (but I wanted them to make it because the film developed enough of their character to build that attachment).
I had a similar experience. I had no idea about the show and my friends ended up taking me to what must've been a pre- screening in May 2005, because that's I remember seeing the movie. After watching I saw reruns on sci-fi that summer, I decided that I needed to see the whole show. I finally found it on DVD in December of 2005 and watched it all. After that, I was hooked. I bought all kinds of merchandise and comics that continue the story. I even bought books about the show written by both fans and industry professionals. Firefly is a perfectly put together show and it's sad what happened to it, due to the meddling of people in charge who didn't know how to handle it. That's why Firefly is so special to fans; we love all of it for what it is, not what it can be. Also, we consume every tangible piece of material about it because we know that it could stop at any moment. I could forget everything else I've ever watched or read but Firefly and Serenity will stay in my heart forever. All of this is coming from a dude who was 19 when he saw the movie in theaters back in 05, it's THAT powerful.
My experience was different too. I had never heard of Firefly (now pretty much my favourite show ever), as it was on pay tv in Australia. I got sent to review Serenity and was mildly curious why the screening room, which seated about 40 people, was so full it had people sitting on the steps. I'd never seen that before. I was also confused why some were so upset when a character died. Yes, it was sad, but they seemed to have this huge attachment to the character, which didn't make all that much sense to me. I thought maybe they were just really sensitive. It was only after watching the series and falling in love with it that I got it. My big regret is seeing the movie before the series, because although entertaining on its own, it is the culmination of story-arcs, for River, in particular, and is quite a spoiler. It takes away all the mystery building up about her in the tv series. To the newcomer, Inara and Book also just seem like convenient new characters thrown up from nowhere.
I'm a newer fan as of a few months ago. I had already heard a lot of Firely but I think the first time I had heard of it was within the fanbase of the video games Destiny and Destiny 2, because Nathan Fillion (Malcolm Reynolds) and Gina Torres (Zoe Washburn) star in those games as two of the main characters that sort of work with and guide the player. If you don't know anything about it you should really see the Cayde-6 promos for those games. Cayde being the character portrayed by Nathan. So I finally picked up the show on Hulu and I was instantly in love with it. After I finished it I went around the Firefly fanbase mostly on youtube and I came across this reccurring mentioning a movie called Serenity. So I naturally assumed they were talking about the first episode of the show, Serenity, which was something like and hour and half long (about the typical length of a movie). Then I saw those comments talking about things I hadn't seen in the show. Fast forward a few Google searches later and I now find out there is a movie called Serenity as well. I was lucky enough to catch it on Peacock before it fell of the face of the streaming world. I mean its still availble to rent or buy but I'm not the one with money for renting or buying, so. And then fast all the way forward to our last free comicbook day as I'm strolling around one of my local comic shops when I stumble upon a book with a very familiar cover. Turns out that not only are they running a Firefly comic series right now, but they've done multiple series' for the past 17 or so years. They have runs about times before the movie, after the movie, Shepherd Book's story, they even have a story about Malcolm's mother, The Outlaw Ma Reynolds. I would heavily suggest catching up on those if you can
I thought this was one of the better sci-fi series and was extremely disappointed when it was brought to what I think was a premature end.
This and Babylon 5 sequel Crusader were deliberately killed by their respective broadcasting networks using similar methods (wrong order of episodes, tampering with scripts and bad airing times) for unknown reasons.
Fox really didn't understand what they had.
But their tiny little brains can see greatness like "The Masked Singer" and "I Can Hear You Sing" done for pennies and entertaining the tiny brained. Some of the worst programming people in charge. I usd to watch on Sundays for the animated series but come fall all that goes to hell because of freaking football. I just gave up on Fox. It's not even an alternative anymore.
Philistines
No, they really really didn't understand what they had at all. It was a great idea. It had great writing. And it had some f'ing awesome actors really bringing the characters to life. There's a reason why so many of the actors continued to have great careers, and the they had them all there, together, with their hearts on their sleeves. And with bigger budgets for future seasons? OMFG! Firefly would have been unstoppable. So, they stopped it. Totally ridiculous. Epic fail.
I think they did, and realised it after they bought the first package. Firefly is an Asa Carter style story (Outlaw Josey Wales...), Jesse James, and The Undefeated. It was a neo-Confederate metaphor.
That can make some great conflict and story telling, but after 1965, Hollywood mostly rejected those scripts on TV and after 1975 in movies.
The Union is the Pinkertons and the Reconstruction feds. The cast is trying to start over in the frontier rim (the west). The union is shown as evil. The self directed crew is shown as hunted, but the better moral examples.
I think the network mixed up the episodes on purpose so viewers, or more likely their liberal bosses, wouldn't catch on.
@@STho205 Don't think so. As the one who cancelled it regrets cancelling it. They set it up to fail, and it still had better ratings than some current shows and even shows on other networks at the time, just not as big of numbers as older well established shows for mass market. They compared it to the wrong market.
I just watched for the first time Firefly and Serenity a couple of days ago. Its truly a gem , IDK how took me this long to watch it, but it was and amazing, yet very short journey.
We all are just leaves in the wind..
I worked at a large box retailer, where I was by far the oldest worker, so I was always surrounded by much younger people. I walked in on a discussion three of them were having in the breakroom that intrigued me. One was saying: "It was weird! It's a TV show with all the characters from the (Serenity) movie... Like before the movie happened!"
They had all watched Serenity without ever knowing that Firefly existed.
THAT'S how well Fox had advertised the TV show!
When Wash died, I knew as a fan that the franchise was over.
Rest in Power Wash. You were a leaf on the wind.
😭
No other show franchise or series ..other than GoT would have had the guts to do that. We all expected a standard happy ending one second before that. And it broke the hearts of every single firefly fan
Damn.. it's been 15yrs and even saying "I am a leaf on the wind." Brings tears to my eyes.. those characters are some of the best ever put to film.
I remember thinking, at that moment, that they were going to kill off every member of the cast before the end of the movie.
Yet the new star trek movie screwed fans and got sequels. There is no justice.
New star trek is a political shit show. It pleases femists, gays and statists. I guess that's the real reason.
@@KrzysztofDerecki You've clearly never watched any other Star Trek shows. Also, anyone who phrases their response to imply that people who are gay or who are feminist are bad probably should reevaluate their life choices.
@@Nevets1073 I watched all ST series, TNG is my fav, second VOY, so... you are wrong. I did not imply gay or feminist are bad, you did. Again wrong.
New ST series looks just like this: ua-cam.com/video/i0dvv4fTiqA/v-deo.html and I'm the guy in audience.
The big issue I'm seeing here is context and understanding.
Star trek of the 60s and 70s and 80s and 90s and early 2000s had a way of making the "support of LGBT, women's rights, anti racist" perspectives did so in a mostly "these issues were resolved over a hundred years ago" way, and not so "throw it all in your face because we have to make you remember all these issues exist" instead of progressing story. I'm all for support of LGBT and ridding the world of bigotry etc, but it shouldn't be the story of star trek, as star trek is about what's next, after the thing that is being dealt with after the thing that was dealt with after these issues modern tv is trying so hard to talk about... Shows like doctor who and star trek don't need to be someone's megaphone or soapbox , but rather, a demonstration that such issues can be a thing of the past, all but forgotten. When racism is shown in star trek, the characters should be reacting with confusion and almost disgust , not with a march and trumpet call to arms.
And made money. People who think its not about money lol
I Love Firefly/Serenity making a model of her right now in fact! In these days I find it so very odd that Hollywood still does not get us Browncoat's! We are still here, still do not like to be meddled with and still flyin!
The starpower in Firefly was awesome, Baccarin at her finest, very nostalgic Ron Glass of 'Barney Miller' fame (whose voice could have been like another Morgan Freeman for narration), Alan Tudyk of current 'Resident Alien' hit series, and the list goes on. Epic concept, series, and acting. The only way this failed is due to senior mgt poor decisions.
As someone who saw the movie before knowing the show existed, I couldn't disagree more with the take on the movie. I loved that movie and thought most of the characters came through great. It's why I watched the show. I will say this though. I had no idea Inara was a companion or any kind of futuristic sex worker from the movie. That came as a huge shock when I finally saw the show. They make no mention of it in the movie. The only reference is to the 'training house' which didn't exactly scream 'She's a Courtesan!' to me.
awfully fancy ways to say the word whore in the future, i guess ;D
@@flappy7373 it still isn't work in the future either.
I'm with ya. Saw the movie pop up on Netflix then later the series was suggested. Do you know how disappointed I was to find out there wasn't more.
Imo the oly flaw of the movie is the mishandling of inara. She was one of my favs in the show and she was o ly in the movie bc whe had to be
Hell, I was ready for a revival for almost two decades. Then, Disney bought it, and I feel like one season's enough, now.
Don't let Disney ruin what little greatness Firefly is.
Damn that mouse 😡
My sentiments precisely. The Rat has ruined enough. One perfect season is plenty
To paraphrase Kaylee....”“It’s full on a year now since I’ve had anything twixt my nethers that didn’t run on batteries”.
Sigh. Kaylee really encapsulated the Pandemic, didn’t she? :(
imagine a post serenity ship, filled with a partial aged crew fighting against the same issues highlighted in firefly
I will always miss Firefly. But there really wasn't any marketing. Not of the show, and not of the movie. I ran into the show and loved it, the banter, the characters, the stories. The "let's be bad guys' really were "big damn heroes" and going along for the story was entertaining and got one out of their own head and world for just a little while. When the DVD's came out, I bought multiple sets and gave them as gifts. When the movie came out, I went to see it with multiple friends and got them addicted. It was an easy show to get addicted to watching. Thank you for doing a show about FireflySerenity, while it was sad to see all the ways it was let down, it was still great to see characters that I love to this day.
Hmmm, I felt like Serenity was made on a promise - just to finish the story. So it was ok to kill folks off to up the stakes. I reckon Joss bargained away some of his future and rights just to get this movie made for fan service.
That's basically it. He knew it was a swan song. Fox burned the show and so it couldn't be given a proper ending. The movie was the ending the show didn't get.
I entirely agree and seriously wash‘s death had a huge i pact on me and i hadn‘t even seen the show. This made the stakes in the final battle so much higher.
The thing that always annoyed me about whedon was when he came out and said someone needed to die to up the stakes.like wash dying made us realize our favorite character could die. Like they couldn't do that through acting.
And now that my favorite character was dead do I still care?
@@mdjouster If you had nine friends, but your best friend among them died, would that make you care less about the other eight?
there is also one thing i think you forgot to mention. Whedon is the Jim Butcher of TV im my opinion. He takes a while to build momentum. The first seasons of either buffy or Angel weren
I can watch Firefly over and over. It's just a fantastic show. As much as I would've loved a longer run, it might be the short run that made it so great. It didn't have the chance to become stale and repetitive.
I don't think enough people give credit to Adam Baldwin. His Jayne character in this film/series was awesome. He has also starred in another favorite, "Chuck". I'd keep an eye out for any production that puts him in a role.
He is very much like Amos from the Expanse, actually.
Detective Slaughter 🤣.
Yeah! Adam really made the character. I think the airlock scene really showed who he was when he asked Mal to make something up and not tell the others what he did.
Breaks my heart. Such an incredible story. Wasted.
Firefly stands head and shoulders above ANY of the current shows. Such a shame Fox canned it far too early.
@@BoingBB the expanse enters the chat
@@LilNewo Oh yeah, I quite like that. Still prefer Firefly though.
@@LilNewo The Expanse took three seasons to get to where Firefly was at from the first episode. Then Amazon shat all over it with their cost cutting. Season 4 was boring and took place almost entirely without space scenes. I couldn't even watch the final season.
UA-cam recommended this to me and I expected to hate it. I'm a major fan of Firefly and, honestly already knew most (not all!) of what's covered here, and all too often people claiming to know "the real reason" are just BS-ing for views, or, worse, blaming it all on the fans.
But... I don't hate this. It's a week presented history and a thoughtful analysis of a lot of different factors. You missed mentioning the graphic novelizations, but did really well on almost every other front.
Great video. You definitely earned my like and subscription.
Hated Firefly when it was originally on TV because the order was wrong. Watched it on DVD and absolutely fell in love with the show. Still love it. Still want more.
Two other scifi series that I loved and FOX cancelled much too soon were
" Space: Above and Beyond " and " Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles ".
Maybe Fox just didn't like Summer Glau as she was in Sarah Connor Chronicles and Firefly
They also managed to repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot by cancelling Babylon 5 before the story arc had time to finish, ended up getting badly crammed into 4 seasons instead of 5, then getting a surprise 5th season that the creators didn't know what to do with.
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@@Dosbomber B5 was under WB.
@@relik0fages Fox hated Sci-Fi even though it brought in huge viewership.
I liked 'Firefly' a lot. It was quirky, original, thoughtful, clever, well written and performed by an excellent cast. In addition, the vast universe and backstory created could have easily accommodated a dozen series. I don't know what was going on in the minds of the suits at Fox, either. Maybe they wanted instant success and profits, being unable to understand the notion of letting things grow and develop. Years later the phrase 'cult following' must have been a bit of a shock for them to hear and realising they could have made a lot of money out of 'Firefly'. But by then it was too late. I am sad that there was not more.
I can't even imagine how much the heads at Fox must have been kicking themselves when the realization finally dawned on them on just how badly they screwed up this goldmine. Though the fact that they didn't try to reboot suggests maybe they were too stupid to even come to that realization.
@@justsomeperson5110 - "Though the fact that they didn't try to reboot suggests maybe they were too stupid to even come to that realization."
@@rodjacksonx Personally I feel like it would be a mistake to try and reboot Firefly. the original cast are all too old and tbh I can't really see anyone else doing these roles. The writing and worldbuilding are good, but what made the show great was the cast.
@@lamaface - Oh, I agree. It's definitely too late now, the magic is gone. But they had ample time to do it, even for a short while after Serenity. They just couldn't see it (and IMO, they personally didn't like it. Sounds stupid for someone to not sell something just because they don't personally like it, but I've seen it before.)
The CW understands cult followings. Go have a look at their show lineup. Many keep going and going and going...!
My wife and I watched the movie at a midnight showing at the theatre on a whim. We didn't know anything about the show, or anything about the backstory. We absolutely LOVED the movie. It wasn't until a month or so later that I found out about the TV show. We then rented the DVDs from the local video rental store (hello 2006), and binged through it in a weekend. So we were people that managed to fall in love with the whole franchise even though we saw it out of order.
I watched Serenity at a film festival knowing almost nothing about it. The description in the pamphlet said "Space Western" and my friends and myself thought "what the hell?" After watching it, I was told there was a TV series. I loved the movie! I cried for Wash and I cheered for Mal...and then then got to watch the TV show on DVD. Watching the movie, I didn't need to know what the connection between Mal and Inara is or how long Simon and Kaylee had been trying to have a relationship. I connected emotionally and trusted the storyteller. Why do some people find that so hard to do? I feel like studing Film prevents people watching with their heart. Sure, you respect the "recipe" but can no longer savour the dish.
The series was NEVER properly marketed. As a die-hard sci-fi, I NEVER heard about the series (in 2004) until after it was canceled!! Most of my sci-fi friends = THE SAME!!! Stargate SG1 was dominanting the airwaves, AND Stargate Atlantis hit the scene and took off!! The promos for it were off the scales. I don't remember (Key-REMEMBER) seeing promos for Firefly at all, and it was dumb luck I woke up one late night and a marathon of the series was running - that instantly made me a fan!!
Serenity's fate was sealed by killing off W & S. Great movie. Absolutely great.
How a studio could ruin a goldmine of a series like this is mind-boggling...oh wait...CBS/Star Trek...
Agreed. I saw the intro once never having even heard of it, rolled my eyes and changed channel. It wasnt until after it was canned I even heard it mentioned. Watched the movie, fell in love and bought the DVD's and spent the next year forcing it on all my friends and family who had also never heard of it.
Those *fan* reviews captured a big part of it: it was a great way to wrap up the series. *Not* a great way to pave the way for sequels.
Eeee. Eeeew. Serenity was ... an ... okay-ish way to wrap up the series. It was kind of weird to reboot and rewire the characters as much as was done. Which I could have been okay with, had the deaths not piled up. Killing Wash was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. Alan Tudyk is too amazing to just write out like that. Even if they were afraid of not being able to get him onboard for more, they could have come up with something better than killing Wash. Killing Shepherd didn't win any points either. :\ And the story? Kind of WTF. Serenity could have been done better. It didn't really ... grab the coattails of Firefly. It just sort of mocked it from Firefly's shadow. In a way, I was kind of glad that the movie didn't have the same title as the series, as it really felt like an alternate universe kind of reboot.
I still remember the day I found out about Firefly. Back in 2006, we had a down day at work. We were out of parts. A co-worker of mine had a DVD player with a 10" screen attached to it. He put the DVD Serenity in and we watched it. I couldn't believe I had never seen this movie. It blew me away. I thought it was THAT good. He actually gave me the movie. Then he looked at me and said if you like the movie you'll probably like the series. WHAT!?!?! As soon as we got out of work I went right to Best Buy and picked up the series. The next 2 days I binged. I fell in love.....then my heart was destroyed when I found out that THAT was it. Ugh.....tragedy.
The network didn't support it like it should have, end of story. It was such an awesome show. It had every single element that a good show needs to survive a long time
Will never forget that super duper long single take throughout almost the entire ship
Its actually not a single take :P They were just very sneaky with their cuts. Similar to the techniques they used for the recent WW1 film "1917"
Its still an amazing sequence though.
@@doom222 WHAAAAT!?!?!? I was told by my film professor that it was one long take and that they worked extremely hard for it lolllllll. I mean I can see where a cut would be, but thought there wasn't one because of what she said.
WELL THAT FILM CLASS WAS POINTLESS THEN!?!? Haha jk it was still a cool class. Ya broke my heart though hahaha
It's well over ten years since I watched this movie, but I'm pretty sure the DVD has a Joss Whedon commentary in which he describes the scene traversing the interior of the ship or most of that scene as a single shot. Seriously no mean achievement.
Summer Glau, Jewell Staite and Morena Baccarin in space.....pure Heaven. 💜💜💜
Jewel eating that strawberry... Mmmmm
Morena Baccarin my GOD she was smokin hot! Just started rewatching the show and was blown away!
@@bdb1052 The face of a goddess...yum yum.
@@mikedrop4421 Jewel Staite's existence reinvigorated my interest in Stargate: Atlantis.
Christina Hendricks was in 3 episodes and Melinda Clarke (Lady Heather CSI) guest stars in one episode.
Hotties both!!
Firefly was a favorite that my late husband and I shared. It will always hold a special place in my heart for that reason.
I think you hit the nail on the head with your comment that what made Firefly so great was it was the Deep Characters that we slowly coming out, of people who were not the ones that changed the universe but just every day people trying to survive in it. Firefly was one of those type of series where could jump from one stupid event to another and people would keep coming back for more, as long as you revealed just a little more about one or two of the characters.
They could still keep Firefly alive jus by talking about some other corner of the universe. Maybe even arrange to have Mal and Crew show up in an episode or two (missing members because they have moved on.
Fox had a habit of cancelling shows before they even had a chance to catch on...... They didnt understand that sometimes you needed a full season just to gain a fanbase.
Yet the movie gets charity showings every year that raises a lot of money for charity.
I never knew Firefly existed until my boss took us to see Serenity for a company party. LOVE the movie, loved the show when I got the DVDs for it.
I'm surprised so many people unfamiliar with the show didn't really connect to Serenity. I sure did.
@@FalconPaladin Everyone I know that saw the movie connected with it. Including the person who turned me on to Serenity. I lost track of how many times I saw the movie.
@@neophytealpha same, though I have only watched the season though once I think. Even though I did enjoy the season.
I have binged the first 4 seasons of the expanse now several times but I'm not sure that's a fair comparison, perhaps if there was a show summary movie of the expanse I would rewatch that instead.
@@FalconPaladin This video makes a great point about the bungled marketing and title of the movie not being allowed to use "Firefly", but I saw Serenity in the theater before I was even aware of Firefly and I loved it.
Not knowing the backstories gave it a very fresh "slice of life" feel, which is rare in scifi and usually boring in all genres. There was enough exposition to make it work. Books death didn't mean as much to me as it would upon later watching, but it really made the world feel lived in. Even if I didn't know these peoples history, they clearly had a rich one, each and every one of them.
"Show don't tell" is something I swear by in storytelling. It was clear enough to me, with no foreknowledge, that Book was dear to the crew. That's all I needed to know.
Firefly was a great show with well thought out story lines ... the characters really made this show entertaining ...-bring back Serenity-
My journey with Firefly STARTED with Serenity. Never heard of it prior let alone watched it. Now I love it.
FYI, Shepherd Book’s history was ultimately put into a Comic Book by Whedon.
It's unknown to those of us that don't read comic books. I don't have a problem with those that do. I'm just not one of them.
It might be a good read. Just saying.
Relying on a comic book to tell an important part of your story is lazy writing and leads the consumer to suspect the original writer didn't actually have an answer to the question at the time. Very bad!
@@gillonba IIRC, the original author and his son write the comic series. It’s an avenue to keep the story going when the studios with the film/TV rights won’t let you make another.
@@adanufgail Yes, lazy writing. It doesn't need hours of screen time, just a line somewhere like "I was in the special forces before I became a preacher". That explains his skills and any contacts he may have. Then you can have the comic tell the rest of the story if you want, but give us enough to believe that you have something in mind. It's not hard, if you have a shred of respect for your audience
Movie killed off two main characters, that was the official death of the series. Even the Firefly ship was wrecked at the end. There was no chance, and now actors are too old for revival.
As mentioned in the video, though: part of the reason was that Alan Tudyk in particular had a lot of other things going on, and killing off his character would simplify scheduling for those planned sequels which never came.
If it was known conclusively that there would be no more Firefly, then there would have been no reason to kill anyone.
A reboot maybe? Like BSG?
The movie was made after the show was canceled and because it wasn't coming back
They're making a reboot. Of course, with the way things are going lately, it'll be a super woke teen drama where character depth is limited to race, gender and sexuality. It honestly makes me not want to watch it since so many of my favorite series have been utterly ruined and I will just get upset if they do it to Firefly.
THat's what killed it for me. I fell in love with the characters on tv when the series aired, then walked out of the movie wondering what I had just watched. There were several things Joss could have done instead of killing off the characters to remove them from future movies. A friend read that he liked to kill important characters to show the audience that it was hard-hitting stuff. I don't care for that logic.
Chills and goosebumps watching this, and teary eyes by the end. Nice salute to a great show.
They could still work in Shepherd Book’s past. They would just have to turn it into a file that could either be found or handed to them by someone.
They weren't interested.. Bull.. I had never even heard of it until the Serenity movie came out... Their advertising was crap... They do a season 2 on something like netflix and they'd get 10x the viewership they had back in the original run... People can't watch a show they never heard of...
Crazy that they repeatedly tried to save money... Super low budget, no money spent on marketing, yet totally planned and moved ahead as if they were going to be able to cash in on multiple films! Never ceases to amaze me how some people manage to keep their jobs.
Such a great comment. Thank you. We agree completely. Not sure how some of these studio execs get hired in the first place.
Around 2010 , I was literally talked into watching the Serenity movie by an employee of the Family Video store when I just couldn't find a movie to rent ( the titles I originally stopped in for were all out ). It didn't matter that I kept telling him I was NOT a sci-fi fan and he continued to insist that was fine...Serenity was simply too good not to like. Reluctantly I went home with it and WAS BLOWN AWAY at what I had just watched...literally as close to movie perfection as I had ever seen...EVER !! Next day , I went out and bought the DVD set and fell in love with literally every aspect of the Firefly verse. Just a year or so ago I even bought the 4K disc steel box for a future watch - I do not even have a 4k disc player or a 4k tv yet !!! I have watched the series - now on bluray - no less than a dozen times completely thru and the Serenity movie probably TWICE that...and I NEVER tire of it...in fact I think I love it more now than ever. Would LOVE anything that that Joss and any of the original characters could put on film and would buy it in a heartbeat...I can verify that by reporting I own ALL the comics , TPBs , novels and even the complete trading card sets for BOTH Firefly and Serenity. This is pretty good for a guy that is still not a sci-fi fan !?!?! No doubt in my mind - FOX F-d UP BIG TIME !!!! Browncoats unite and keep flyin' !!!
Today, 22 years later, I watched the series and the movie again and can now finally close the circle. I also had the problem that the series was shown 4 years after the movie, and I was missing any reference to the characters' backstory.
Joss did the best he could, wish he didn't kill off characters that would of made sequels easier.
I was a late Brown Coat bloomer, didn't see the show or the movie until after it was on DVD, now I own all of them and LOVE IT!
Firefly was great and serenity was great for us fans.
Fox killed the series before it was aired and universal killed the movie with the stupid previewings
Firefly is my favourite series that was never given a chance by Fox.
The one series that made me fall once more in love with an amazing Sci fi series will forever be in my heart as a series that could have been as amazing if not more amazing than star trek. I truly did believe in those characters and the stories that each one created, a truly amazing series that will live with me till the day I die. Thank you to the crew of serenity for giving me a brief but amazing experience of what a true exciting and emotional Sci fi should be!!
Heres the really big problem that one can only see in hindesight, fox was looking for immediate results in an untested niche genera, thinking weaton could bring his buffy audience to fox. What fox didnt understand is those audiences were cultivated over a long span of time. I think it took 2 seasons to get a dedicated following, and by the middle of the third it had a strong mix of followers and casual viewers. It took the word of mouth and encouragment of the established fans to sustain and grow the audience. That is actually what got stargate onto fox. It was originally on showtime where they were a bit more willing to create original programming than fox and take risks. I think stargate had like 5 or 6 seasons already with showtime that fox or scifi was able to cheaply show reruns until the audience interest built up before they could show new seasons.
I firmly believe that if weaton had been signed with showtime or scifi at that time, they would have gotten at least 3 seasons before pitching to another network.
The studio should have recognized Whedon's genius by then, handed him a pile of money, and let him do whatever he wanted. We'd all be better off for it today.
Ask the cast of Buffy whether he got to do whatever he wanted. They'll confirm it.
Dollhouse could've been saved as well.
They recognized his "talent", and then spawned nearly decades of him being one of the most prominent propaganda show and filmmaker in america. Ideologically speaking, firefly and serenity is not only antithetical to the rest of weedens work, but also the entirety of NYC and Hollywood storytelling
I often felt someone wanted this series dead. I could see that this had potential to easily be big and good.
I can't comment on the mishandling of the TV series because I became a fan *after* the series had been cancelled. I went to see the movie when it first came out in the broad September release. A soon as I saw it, I tagged it as one of the most brilliant Sci Fi movies I had ever seen. I left the theater craving more of the Firefly universe and assumed, at the time, that like many other movies, it was based on a popular book. As soon as I had an opportunity, I looked up "Serenity" on the internet, hoping to identify the author. I was thrilled to find out that it was based on a TV series and equally dismayed to find out it had been cancelled after only 11 episodes. I bought the DVD series for myself and was utterly floored. The series was every bit as good as the movie - and more. Since that time, I have purchased three more copies of the series as gifts for family and friends and in each case, the recipient has become a fan of the movie and the series, as well. Joss Wheadon is a minstrel genius and, regardless of whose fault it was, the loss of the Firefly universe is an entertainment tragedy. I'd swap out Star Wars for the Firefly universe any day.
I saw the movie before the TV show, and found the opening scene a master class in summing up the series and characters. I loved the movie as a stand alone thing. Seeing it after the series certainly enhances the experience, but it does work quite well for the uninitiated. I was baffled by the lack of promotion. I saw only one advertisement, and it was confusing because it seemed to be simultaneously promoting the movie and series. Very bad marketing.
I too saw the movie first and I loved it. I was super excited to find out that there was a series. At this point I would even settle for a reboot of the show although I am aware the new cast could never live up to the original actors.
Firefly is better than Stargate or most Star trek's - it's grown up, clever sci fi. What happened to it was a crying shame. I never even knew it has been on the tv and only found it due to buying the DVD set. The greatest (pre Expanse) sci fi show ever. Yes - to really enjoy Serenity you need to have watched Firefly. I have loaned that box set to so many people who had never heard of the show - and turned them all into fans. Somebody screwed this up big time.
It did not fail, it was an awesome series, wish they had continued it.❤️
It did not fail. The incompetence, malfeasance and stupidity of the Fox Executives killed it. It was also intentional, because no one is that stupid, incompetent or malicious without a reason.
I've found a few people who have never heard of Firefly,but saw Serenity and really enjoyed it.That,to me shows Wheadon did a good job on Serenity.As a big fan of the show I still to this day can't understand why it wasn't a huge hit.The cast,the dialog and the stories were all fantastic,what does it take to make a show a hit if Firefly didn't make it!!
There's a class of humor, which you alluded to with the Kaylee clip, that would never be permitted by the Soviet Republic of Disney. That they own 20th Century Fox ensures that Firefly/Serenity are lost forever. They wouldn't even let others have another crack at it.
@@eddysgaming9868 Don't compare the two. And when you throw around "woke" as if the original movies didn't have that I know to discount your opinion.
@@eddysgaming9868 Star Wars is a great fit for Disney. It has always been cheesy crap. Btw, people who use "woke" as an insult only show that they are right-wing morons.
I always wear my River t-shirt and by Blue Sun t-shirt when I got to Disney. I get comments from other brown coats all the time.
The show came out when I was in high school and I thought it looked boring with no aliens and no space fights, but I watched it in my late 20s and I was amazed at how great it was. Hopefully, the reboot is just as great or even better.
Reboot? Damn sure ought not be one...
I’d never seen or heard of Firefly when I saw a commercial for Serenity. The 30-second spot caught my attention and I remembered it when I saw Serenity and other DVDs available for rent at the airport before a work flight. This was the first time I had ever rented a DVD for a flight. I decided to give Serenity a try and really I enjoyed it. In fact, I rented it again for my return trip. Later, a friend told me that the movie was based on the TV show Firefly. While I found the series enjoyable, some of its content made it less appealing for repeat viewings. On the other hand, I’ve watched Serenity more than half a dozen times and it remains one of my all-time favorite movies. In fact, I'm at this page because I watched it again last night.
Kaylee was the Princess of Serenity! The characters are what made the show so great!
It reminded me of a D&D party campaign!
The synopsis of Alan Tudyks written season 2 episode really makes me see how much i miss the show!
Even the villains were great characters, my favorite were Jubal, Niska and badger!
Book's backstory was explained in the Serenity comic book The Shepherd's Tale.
He was once a high-ranking Alliance officer who screwed up big time and went into hiding by stealing the identity of a dead Shepherd.
So all this time, not only was Mal harboring two fugitives; he also unknowingly let a former Alliance officer on his boat.
Wow! I’ll check that out! Thank you for heads up! Live long and prosper, young man!
@@malirabbit6228 May the Force be with you and your spice flow in abundance.
@@remc0s Well, hell, young man! You'a big damn hero!
Actually that's a pretty sucktastic backstory for such a great character. Comic tie-ins are always garbage
@@insertclevernamehere2506 It was written by Joss Whedon himself, because he intended to reveal this in future seasons.
Also that Inara was terminally ill.
Interesting how the viewing numbers averaged 4.7 million for Firefly, yet now we got Batwoman at about 800k and its present numbers in season 2 are at 477k. Its even got renewed for a season 3. Not far or sensical, just how the world works at times.
No they got rid of firefly because of the anti establishment feel it boldly broadcasted, I loved it & still do.
Lots of rebels & freedom fighters love firefly for the message.
Fuck the system fly low & off the radar do the work & get paid while living free.
Take a look at the world now it's getting real crowded in my sky I don't like it, it's getting hard for a honest criminal to live.
Isn't that because Batwoman is from the CW?
@@brandonontama2415 That is correct on Fox & the CW, I was just talking on view numbers and how its unfair we still have BW, when its a lot less watched show.
I'd love to see it come back, but with the death of Book and Wash I really can't see how it could be done in a way that really feels, right
Was and is still my favorite. So unhappy that it was killed. Loved Serenity
I really miss having a great scifi epic western to watch, and I just don't see how anyone would be able to build something to match Firefly. The Mandalorian is great (it really is), but it's not the same.
If somebody writes the Great History Book on how to do your job poorly, this whole mess will have its dedicated chapter
9:00 - There's a one off canon comic that tells this story. As hinted at in the film, he was an OP.