This is once again a great content-constructive video from Tom. Thanks for it. Also, because as a user of a Nammatj 2 I have long been very interested in the Jannu as an alternative. I will describe below why I with 188 cm height chose the Nammatj 2 as a one person tent for comfort ten years ago. I knew before buying that even the big tunnel tents (Keron 3/4/GT) from Hilleberg withstand strongest storms in open terrain like Hardangervidda or inland ice Greenland. A test at a big reseller in Hamburg (I’m german) with a six cm thick mat and my winter down sleeping bag showed me that I can just lie on my back in the Nammatj 2 without the foot end of the sleeping bag hitting the inner tent and threatening to get wet. This was not at all guaranteed for me in the Jannu in that side-by-side test, despite the Jannu’s longer floor length remained due to the strong slopes at the ends less usable sleeping length. Footprint wise they both were the same, inner space wise the Nammatj 2 was far better. I use the tents Nammatj 2 (in summer with mesh inner tent) as a one-person tent and my older Keron 3 for two in four seasons in Europe including areas as Lapland and Island. At the Nammatj I appreciate especially the strength of a Black Label, the small footprint, the very good interior space and the fast setup with only two poles. It is in low wind with four pegs ready in three minutes. I've had the opportunity to set up and spend nights in the Nammatj many times so far ie. on the coast lines in wind force 9 Bft (
Hey thank you for this awesome and very detailed comment. I always want to learn how to do thinks differently and just gain extra knowledge and comments like yours really help..The experience that you have is amazing and I really appreciate you passing it on by taking the time to write so much. Its also amazing to engage someone like yourself by my video...Great to see the interest here using a two man tent for the purpose of one just like Gary and myself... I have put out a few videos regarding this and had great interest... Another on out today on the Durston x mid 2... Its totally amazing to feel in practice the differences in tent length compared to the on paper measurements...Ha ha about the zippers... The jingling noise doesn't bother me... I actually didn't cut mine off, I only ordered Hilleberg 2mm cord and added it as pulling cord... Mable though it also stops them rattling so much.. I too like the idea of the Black label fabrics and Hilleberg actually state that their strongest tents are Black Label Tunnels with double poles... The space difference inside the tents for two people is serious... We really noticed it sitting in the tents. I also had to leave the Jannu due to my back hurting.... so what about that... Regarding the tensioner straps it's complicated ha ha. On my Nammatj the strap slips though the buckle for some reason. So on the front straps I just re pegged it with the strap at max length but pulled out for good tension. On the rear as I was double pegging anyway I just put the second peg through the small loop on the strap to prevent it slipping back through the buckle... (I think this is what you are referring to). So after all that, my Nammatj will be on eBay tonight in favour of a Jannu as it has enough space for one and that's always how I camp. The tension on the inner is one of the main reasons. I had a good pitch here and have been out in 60mph winds in the Nammatj but the inner is too flappy for me... It flaps so much that the fabric movement caused big rushes of air over the tope of me making the inner tent extremely drafty... A black label Jannu gets close to the Tarra... I would make a Jannu and call it the Assault.... Same fabrics but extra pole at the rear and of Cours stretch it a little but keep the weight to 3.5kg.... ATB and great to have your thoughts... Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 disappointing to hear about the tensioner straps slipping like that. I have a Macpac tent that does the same thing in rough weather but I’d assumed the Hillebergs metal tensioners would have solved it since I never hear anyone mention it but obviously not.
@@TOMHEANEY100What’s your experience regarding the length of the inner of the Jannu compared to the Nammatj ? You are very briefly mentioning in the video. Is the German fellow right ? Is your sleeping bag more likely to touch the inner in the Jannu than in the Nammatj? ( I’m 187. )
Your channel content is very much appreciated - we have bought a Nammatj 3 and a Jannu in the last 4 months, mainly based on your reviews. By the way, 2 large neo xtherm max fit side by side in the Jannu with about 10cm to spare. Looking at the numbers looked like they wouldn’t, but they do. Might be useful info for somebody…
Hey I am delighted that you bought these two fantastic tents.... Are you happy with them ? Thank you for sharing your experience with the Xtherms .. I like to test two man shelters if possible with regular wide pads but I only have one so this information is great and very valuable as wide mats now are really becoming much more popular.. best wishes and let me know your thoughts on the tents.. Tom
We have used the Nammatj 3, 4 times camping high, had it in heavy rain and very cold conditions (no snow), not in high winds yet. Very impressed apart from the single pocket each side, but it’s a minor glitch. The sand model disappears into the scenery at 200 to 300 metres, more so than green. The Nammatj 3 is about the same weight as the Jannu but more roomy for 2 on longer treks. I will use the Jannu if alone. We will use the Jannu for two for winter stuff, where there is a risk of unexpected gnarly conditions. First trip in the Jannu will be early January. When I ordered the Jannu I purchased the 10mm poles too, and doubled up on the Nammatj poles in case, plus got the footprints as it makes the vestibule a lot cleaner and dryer.
Since the last comment we have camped a few more times 4000m+ using the Jannu in winter and the Nammatj 3 in better conditions. We do not go out looking for extreme weather but are prepared for it. Although the Jannu is "cosy" I would say that it's not an issue for active couples. Switched to 10mm poles in the Jannu and double poled the Nammatj 3 (2 x 10mm) on summits. Also used 4 delta pegs on the quadrant guy lines just in case. I don't mind the extra weight for security in exposed locations. The Nammatj 3 is probably a better choice for 2 if there is only a small chance of harsh weather as very roomy. If it is rocky, very cold and or extreme weather is expected the Jannu is a better choice. For 1 person use, I think the Jannu fits all round. Both tents are very good for wild camping where flat spots are hard to find. In most of the scenic places (summits and ridges) we target, we find sites are only just big enough to accommodate the Jannu / Nammatj footprints and the additional 1m length in the HG GTs would be an issue. If we were camping in valleys / by lakes etc GTs would work. We have a Tarra on order for longer high-altitude trekking trips 1 week+. Again, thank you for your excellent reviews which have heavily influenced the above tent choices for mountain camping.
I love the wind and cant sleep without hearing it..... Its always windy here in Northern Ireland... All the very best wishes and thank you for watching a number of may videos..Tom
Great video. It’s always good to see 2 tents like this side by side in challenging conditions. For me the Jannu edges it due to the way it can be pitched from the ground up and the inner tension. The only time my tents have ever sustained any damage is either pitching in high winds or having to take them down in high winds. Thanks and looking forward to your next video.
Hi John thank you.. Yes side by side is the way to do it... The ground up pitching system works so well in any conditions.. Me too re tent damage.. Nearly always when putting up or taking down.. I'll let you see my Jannu when I get one... Tom
Hey thank you for your vote and thoughts... The Nammatj is more durable and versatile and has more space for the same weight... It needs a few votes here so that you.... ATB Tom
Hi Ian, it wasn't as windy as we wanted..Both of us wanted to see the others tent under a bit of pressure if you understand.. A decent night weather wise and great to test the tents side by side.. I really appreciate the interest in my videos you have shown over the past while thank you... ATB Tom
Had a nammatj, only used it once. A foot of snow dropped on it overnight, had no idea that it had snowed till I woke up, the tent had shed all the snow..
Hi Marty, great to hear from you.. Jannu, yes needed the tents side by side to properly compare.. Gary is delighted that everyone loves his tent., 😂😂💪💪💪
As always, a wonderful video. Interesting to see how just a few in/cm can make a real difference in usable interior space. You do a great deal a study and research for these videos. Thanks so much for all you do.
Hey Denis, great that you are watching my videos and commenting 😁... yes interior measurements can be deceptive. When the tents are side by side then you can really see and feel the difference.. Tom
Hey Clive, I hope you are well.... Thank you for this feedback on the video. I have an awesome 44mph wind pitching video of the Jannu coming up shortly... All the very best wishes Tom
Hey Craig please do I would love to hear.. Make sure he is aware he has to pick... You know if he had to sell one which would it be... Hey thanks for the comments and watching.. Tom
Great to see two Titan tents going head to head. You could almost throw a coin as to which is best and be happy with the outcome. As you say though, the aerodynamics of the Jannu can clearly be seen. Thanks Tom.
Hey Barry, I thought you might enjoy this one.. It's generated good interest with the Red Label Black Label concept.. Also tunnel Vs semi geodesic.. You can definitely see the difference aerodynamics makes here as Jannu more comfortable in this wind.. Great to see you still have an interest in videos even when you are not making them... ATB Tom
I used to own Nammatj however found it bit short length wise (i am 178 - still was an issue for me), and then bought Jannu, incredibly strong tent but still there is downside of porch not really usable in bad weather - I would usually end up cooking inside (boiling water). I ve owned 13 Hilleberg tents total and all I can say there is no perfect tent (cliché!), I ve got Saivo on order which should arrive early 2024, I hope this would raise the bar of "comfort" in prolonged bad weather but will limit how many miles I can do on my usual hiking trips in Lake District... compromises 😀
@@sebastianforbes1 in what respect? Steam? Actually jannu is great for that as you can do it right below the went and all steam goes up. So I have msr lowdown for stability, I fix tent flor with my legs, sort of tentioning it, and the msr resides on foil insulation mat. Found this setup safe and secure enough.
Hi Tom. I commented last year after you reviewed the Jannu. Your thoughtful considerations were enough to give me the confidence to go out and purchase the tent - which is what I did. I’m pleased to say it lives up to my high expectations. Absolutely superb tent! It definitely gets my vote. ATB, Paul
Hi Paul, this is great to hear it really is... I am on the email stock alert list for one and my Nammatj is currently on eBay. I really meant to when I said this was a great tent. Side by side here it has more of what I am looking for than the Nammatj.... Once again thank you for keeping me informed.. Look out for my videos of it in action when I get it..... Tom
Perhaps, I lived in a Jannu for about 4 weeks or longer and with two persons and combined with a small car, the Jannu is the best sleeping room. Very warm and to be regulated superbly in my experience. The Nammatj 2 is more the to go too as an all purpose tent and indeed fot two persons sitting in. Cooking we did outside and in bad weather our living room was the small car. Super combination. It was in cold weather in the Pyrenees France at some altitude.
Hey just awesome to hear your thoughts Onno and your experience of the Jannu.. 4 weeks is a long the to spend in a tent.. Did 3 weeks on one occasion also in the Pyrenees in Andorra... I have now bought a Jannu and sold my Nammatj. Check out my recent video of the Jannu under big snow load.... ATB Tom ua-cam.com/video/HMa2xt1Ufm0/v-deo.html.
@@TOMHEANEY100 Ah you bought a Jannu. :-) you can't decide? :-) Well I cannot too. I now have an Allak 2 but only slept twice in it yet. I have 4 Hillebergs and a VW T3 minicamper. :-) travel always with a tent too to change routine so now and then. :-) But I think the Allak 2 is the real competitor for the Jannu. I think I like it more because of height inside and for cooking space inside and of course!! !! !! 🙂 the view with the two doors open in good weather. My favorite tent to live in is by the way: Keron 4 GT. :-) ok not for on your back, but for the rest..... Greetings.
Nice comparison. Jannu for me. I seems bigger than the Soulo, lighter than the Staika, and a smaller footprint needed than the Tarra, but yet it’s similar to all three in it’s pole design. It’s big enough for 4 season usage for one person, and best of all - it’s red!!!!! I do t like the thought of putting a tunnel tent up in high winds, and watching the Jannu go up easily in that wind would be a big plus in my book. Great film Tom! Phil
Hey Phil thanks for watching and commenting... Great to hear your thoughts.. I think we both need one.. Too many compromises on Nammatj and Soulo.. Hope you are well.. Tom
Hilleberg tunnel tents like the Namatj or the Nallo are brilliant provided you can find a strong peg placement. I guess every tent needs this but my only worries using the Nallo were when pegging out the guylines in particular was difficult.
Hi William, Jannu is getting all the votes so far . My poor Nammatj... No one likes it., You seriously want to feel the strength in the poles.. Due to the structure the 10mm pole on its own felt as strong as the 9 and 10 combination on me double polling the Nammatj.. Great to hear your thoughts... Tom
Tough call Tom and great video once again. If the ground is hard, rocky, etc then the Jannu would clearly be better. The Nammatj without good pegs in the ground would be next to useless in winds like that.
Hi Kevin great to hear from you.. Yet another vote for the Jannu.. I will have to do a rematch on Luke's Mountain... Yes no doubt the Nammatj requires total reliance on pegs.. ATB and I hope you are well.. Tom
I have the Jannu and the Karon, 3 pole, hoop tent. For canoeing the hoop tent has better space and is more comfortable.... For up in the Alpine the Jannu is way quieter and more stable in a wind, but you'd better like your partner as you will be sleeping close!
Hey when I had the two tents here side by side I could really appreciate the difference in space and wind noise and fabric flapping on the inside of the tent. As I always use the tents on my own the Jannu is better for me so I sold the Nammatj and bought one. You can see it out on its first test in my Blizzard camping video... ua-cam.com/video/HMa2xt1Ufm0/v-deo.html.. Always pleased to hear the thoughts 💭 of owners of the tents that I am testing...All the very best Tom
Tarra just about 0k for 1 to carry but not too often.. Yes it would have been great to have a Tarra here to compare.. It's one of my favorite tents ever.. Tom
Excellent review of the two tents side by side comparisons. For me the two are very good tents but I still like and prefer my Hilleberg Tara. Its a Black label and has plenty of room for two people. It has two vestibules for an entrance in the tail of the wind and very strong with 4x 10 mm poles. This for me proves that the Tara is worth the couple extra pounds. Again all Hilleberg tents are awesome and these two just prove it. Thank you for your work, time, and expertise with this video. Take care.
Hi Jason, I totally get the Tarra thing but for one person I personally cant do 4kg but that's the only reason why I dont have one.. I have a review video on the terra and intend to borrow it again and put it up against a terra love 40th anniversary Quasar.. (no contest really).... best wishes Tom
The weight is a definite factor. I really appreciate the different perspective on it too. Looking forward to more of your videos and adventures. Thank you
Great demo Jannu gets my vote as the inside is so taught But for space it’s opposite !!! But for one person Jannu again My vote is a guess as I have not seen either in the flesh To vote or have an opinion you need to get in them Cheers
Hi Mountain Hopper... Thank you for your vote... This is the same as me and its mainly down to the tension on the inner of the Jannu and it has enough space for one... It kind of took me to see the tents in action side by side to come to this conclusion.... ATB Tom
Definitely the nammatj in my opinion. My jannu was badly damaged in December on binnian. The issue started with the webbing cutting through from the violent vibration against the pegs. The metal rings on the nammatj would have prevented this. The nammatj is noisier in the wind but in my opinion stronger
Hey, John I watched your video the other day and will comment on it... I learned quite a lot from it so thank you for posting...really was a great video. No doubt the metal rings are a solution but so is using Tube Stakes that cant damage the straps of guy lines. I use 8 of them here and so does Gary in the Jannu. After both of watching your video we both have ordered more as the Hilleberg Y pegs could also work their way through a guy line in the wrong conditions. I am aware of this happening to others too. I also double peg and back stake so no peg can come loose. Nammatj needs 18. I take 10 extra for conditions like this... I also double poled the Nammatj here. However it was definitely no where near as windy here as on your camp.... ATB Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 thanks for your thoughts. We definitely learned alot that night. The weather definitely caught us out. We didn't expect what the wind that arrived and that was definitely a learning experience. I actually bought xpegs from hilleberg after that night and will use them in future. I must check out the tube pegs too.
Great video Tom! I think both tents are very good! But I like nammatj better because I have one myself 😂 But I have a dream about Allak 2 in sand color. Have a great evening!
Excited to see you get a Jannu it’s been a dream tent of mine for a long time. I’ve heard the rear wall can be a weak point if the wind turns in the night and starts hitting it, would be interesting to see you test this. Also wind blowing rain up under the top cover but that seems a possibility on any tent with a top hat. Looking forward to some Jannu content!
Hi, I have a stock email alert in with a few companies as no stock anywhere... Hilleberg state its best vestibule into the wind and rain and this also stops rain blowing under the top cover... When I get it I will definitely try both to see how it performs.... Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 Awesome look forward to it. Maybe it’s just a New Zealand thing but it’s not uncommon for the wind to swing 180 on a wim so those recommendations only work some of the time haha. Hopefully you get your hands on one soon
I’ve always wanted a Jannu. After using tunnel tents for the last few years I made the switch to a Soulo. I used it in 50 mph winds (measured with my anemometer) and the difference in flappiness compared to my old Nammatj and Abisko tents was night and day. The Jannu has always looked like a brilliant tent due to the taught pitch, space and strength. Very hard to get hold of at the moment though. Great video 👍👍
Hi Jamie,. Another vote for Jannu.. Flip sake the Nammatj will have to go.. When used side by side then the flapping of the inner in the Nammatj is insane.. It actually created puffs of air blowing over me all night... Thank you for watching again and sharing your tent experience... Really good to hear from you.. Hope you are out in the Soulo as I now am kind of regretting selling mine..ATB Tom
Hey thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts 🤔💭.. I had Terra Novas for years and a decent reliable product.. The owner of this Quasars would be happy with your vote.. Thank you for sharing it.. Hey ATB Tom
Very nice video, but for a four season tent isn't the choice of a semi geodesic design over a tunnel obvious? Less deformation, better snow loading and much much quieter?
Hi... All tents have gains in some areas for sacrifices in others... It depends on your priorities. Like you say the Jannu here has less deformation in wind, not sure about the snow loading as aerodynamic profiles will flatten under snow load so the vestibule in the Jannu will deform more than the steep vestibule in the Nammatj... The Jannu is definitely much quieter in the wind but has much less space here than the Nammatj. The Jannu is also less durable due to thinner fabrics. For me though I prefer the Jannu..... ATB and thank you for this comment... Tom
That Jannu looks awesome Tom, so sturdy in those winds. Have you any experience of the wind changing direction and hitting the Nammatj from the side, just wonder with the higher sides of the tunnel if it would be an issue?
Hi I haven't had wind direction changes. Hilleberg test it to 60mph from the side so it should be ok... You will definitely get a lot of inner flapping that's for sure... Tom
Hi, from what I see its a no-brainer, Jannu for the win 100%, im surprised you sold its actually! Seems much better then the other 3 tents you showed in previous video. Its only tiny big heavier but so much better, stronger in wind and looks like they should swap labels lol its defo black to me. Yes less space for 2 but a peace on mind and no flapping and noise like in Nammatj. I would be worrying alot in your tent during night and defo less sleep as well. I like a good tipi tent myself as I cannot afford Hillebergs ectso went with Hex Peak V4A as its also bombproof in winds or its supposed to be, I need to test. I also bought the same sleeping mat in large and wide ;) Love this Big Agnes sooo comfy! Anyway, thats just my 2cents, I love your passion to have a one awesome tent and Im kinda similar and try to find my perfect one so hope to test my tent soon as well ;]
Hi Gregory, thank you for your comments and sorry for taking so long to get back to you...Great to hear your thoughts. My Nammatj is now on eBay and I have 4 email alerts set up for a Jannu.. Cant say much more than that.... I have another video up at 7 tonight which you should enjoy so will really look forward to hearing your thoughts..Not sure on your first line of your comment. I borrowed this Jannu for a previous review but never owned one... ATB Tom
Hey thank you for the comments...Too many Hilleberg tents to choose from.. I have tested an Unna and was very impressed.. Tested a Kaitum 2 so the 3 pole Keron structure would definitely be nice I am sure...
@@gjeddekaka must check out Norrona. Looked at Helsport many times but harder to source in the UK and won't hold their value nearly as well as Hilleberg... Thank you for sharing.. Tom
Hi Tom . Great vid. Thanks very much for posting this. I know it is a pet hate of yours, but my concern is condensation. I would like a four season tent to cover the worst conditions, but for that kind of money I would like a tent that would also cope better in warmer weather to get the max use out of it. If that makes sense? I suspect the Nammatj would be slightly less prone to condensation due to the through ventilation. I am with you on the Jannu in strong winds though. As you say, depends on your requirements.
Hi Paul, yes great through flow on air in the Nammatj. Also because the inner flaps and moves more there is quite a lot of air flow in the tent. You can also roll up the front door entirely by using an easy modification which is great in the summer.. Great to hear you understand that condensation is my pet hate ha ha... None here this night... Thank you for your thoughts and comments... Tom
Hi Paul. Jannu is one of best venting 4 season tents I have owned. I have several tents so not championing it just because I own it. The vent cover always needs to be staked out to separate it from fly. But it does vent incredibly well 👍
I know what you mean but both had different poles which is a Modification easy to do on each tent.. Definitely a good point as both tents then not stock.. It's a tough one as when we have the strength modifications capacity not to use it just in case the conditions deteriorate... Thank you for watching and commenting.. Tom
Hey no worries yes yes all poles on Jannu 10mm.. Nammatj 10mm and 9mm combination at wind end. 10mm on Vestibule... Hope that helps.. Thank you for watching... Translation good 💯
Hi Tom, great vid. A lot of important info. Both are great tents from what I see. Certainly some strong test winds. I like the three pole design. Stability. I'm sure the black label is more durable material wise but I really like the framework of the Jannu. Similar to my tents. Hey take care, good looking pillow.
Hey Sam great to hear from you and that you enjoyed the video.,.. Lots of differences here in design and side by side showed up a few surprises.. Yes the Trekology pillow does the job for now until I get a Big Agnes one... ,😬😁
The Tarra would be tops for two people as the weight penalty is spread between two people.. for one person though my favourite is the Jannu.. best wishes Tom
Tom, thanks for this active comparison - very helpful. One question (maybe 2): you described that you brought a spare pole and that Gary brought his 10 mm poles instead of the 9 mm's that come with the tent. Did you actually buy just one pole from Hilleberg? And did Gary actually procure somehow a separate set of 10 mm poles from Hilleberg. I ask because the designs of these tents are so precise that I just wonder how you both came to have extra poles that suited each of these tents.
Hi Michael .. I use a second pole from my AKTO which is the same length.. I also use the Nammatj pole in my Akto to make it stronger... Gary got his poles from Hilleberg., He might jump in here but if not I will double check.. Thank you for watching and great to hear that you enjoyed the video... Tom
Hi Michael. A few Hilleberg retailers stock the 10.25mm DAC poles for the Jannu, as do Hilleberg themselves. DAC make them for a few of the hille red label tents. I got from a mix of Hilleberg and Tentes 4 Saisons in France based on availability of stock. Hope this helps.
@@garynesbitt5078 Hey Gary thank you for the reply. I know you are so happy your tent is winning the opinion poll..... You handed it to me on the pitch time too ha ha.... You will be making videos next.... Tom
Hey Derek Yr a laugh.. But the Nammatj is gone... Replaced by a lovely green Jannu....Not sure if you have seen my video of it out in deep snow.. ATB Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 I have seen it. What a great adventure. I've seen other videos with top vented Hillebergs having leak problems with strongly blown rain. Is it likely to be a a problem for you. It looks like the Jannu's cover extends a bit further than the Soulu for example.
@@derekperkins7343 Hi Derek it should not be as when you pitch vestibule into the wind the vent is further protected.. It's early days for me with this tent so lots of experimenting to do.. Hey thank you for your comments and thoughts 🤔.. All the very best Tom
I've owned/used Nammatj 2, loved it, and regret selling it. But I find my Allak with 10mm poles a mini fortress, however the Jannu seems stronger in design.
Hi, thank you for watching and sharing your thoughts as a fellow Hilleberg owner... The Allak is a very versatile tent and with 10mm poles it is pretty strong I am sure.. Its strange that the red label Jannu is as strong as the black label Nammatj.. Although in durability the Nammatj would have the win.... ATB and great to hare from you.. Tom
Only one way to settle this Tom - round 2 in worse weather 🤣. This has the makings of Ali v Frazier 💪. On a serious note, it was really interesting to see both tents side by side in fairly challenging weather. I think both are closely matched for strength; the Jannu being a more rigid structure and the nammatj relying more on the guy lines and flexing with the wind. For 2 person use I’d take the nammatj because of its more usable internal space. For 1 person use I’d take the Jannu, based on its taught inner and more technical design. Two superb shelters, it really comes down to personal preference……do I sense a Jannu joining your fleet 🤔
Hi Gary you know me.. We only have days to settle the score as Nammatj on eBay shortly.. It's the one person thing and at the same weight there is tonnes of space for one in the Jannu.. The inner tension thing has eventually got to me... Thank you for the camp... Tom
Seeking the 1+ person multi-terrain/multi-conditions and 4-seasons-use tent... I'd likely go with the Jannu. Structural integrity (in a versus case by case) may be debatable in terms of attention to detail and overall scenarios on set-ups (plus maintainability aspects during changing demands). The thing worthy of consideration is: The consistency factors favoring the Jannu for set-up/take-down in an all-terrain/any-environment pitch. The only feature I do not like on Jannu is the topper/lid... in truly serious, wind driving rains, snow, silt/sand, etc. this kind of feature can have issues. It's also just another thing to assemble/take-down or get lost. Weight (as modified) would be interesting data-points given Januu went with 10mm poles and Nammatj went double pole strategies.
Hey thank you for your comments and thoughts... The Jannu is a good call and I agree.. Factors such as simplicity ie two poles and both the same length could be a definitive advantage in some environments... You are right about the ventilation cover having issues although vestibule into the wind reduces these.. yeah I am not sure exactly the fighting weight here of the tents in this format but not too much difference... Once again thank you for your detailed thoughts... Tom
Hi very good points you have raised about the vent cover. I have owned a couple of top vented Hilleberg tents, most recently the Allak. In strong rain it was almost impossible to stop rain getting pushed under the vent cover due to its “floating” design. That’s the main reason I sold it. The Jannu is very different in that the vent cover wraps over front arc pole to create a total seal so nothing can get underneath. This plus the structural strength of arc pole is why Jannu should always be pitched vestibule into wind in strong winds. On the weight query I calculate the Jannu at c. 3.3kg with the 10mm poles. Stock nammatj is 3kg. The extra pole used here probably pushes it to around c. 3.15 kg.
You know what.. you are right.. It's kind of going against the label system of Hilleberg but side by side here in the wind the Jannu was more comfortable.. Hey thanks for the comments and watching.. Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 I’m a fan of the channel Tom. I’m also a Hilleberg fan, I have four now but when you cross poles the strength is multiplied exponentially, especially 10mm poles. Btw, I ordered a Durston X-Mid 2P Pro to see what the fuss is about, it arrives in April ‘23. Slàinte. 🥃
@@dougieranger Hey thanks.. I got a Durston yesterday to review.. It's just the x mid 2 but not the Pro version... I'll try to get a first look video done by Sunday or mid week at the latest...😁😁
If the Jannu was being tested as it comes, versus the Nammatj it might have been a different result. If you favour absolute windstability, then a Jannu is probably the better design, but it is a one person tent in real world application, and the angles are unfavourable for both vestibule and cabin. Nammatj has increased strength, durability and most of all space, at the expense of big side panels and some wind stability. But in general it is stable enough. The test seems a little biased given the Jannu has the 10mm poles honestly, somewhat skewers the comparison. If you're doing solo ascents in exposed mountainous areas, Jannu is probably for you, but I'd keep an eye on the weight increase with 10mm poles as you might enter another better tent's territory given the extra investment £££ and weight penalty. Speaking from experience. All the best (I vote Nammatj)
Hey you... The Nammatj was double polled at the windward side so neither tents stock or had a particular advantage...its a field test using our tents as we use them not a Lab test where all things are perfectly equal.... I own the Nammatj and selected it a year ago over the Jannu so I should have been biased towards it.... Ha ha I dont mean to be cheeky and great comment thank you. The Nammatj is more durable, spacious, versatile, better vented and ultimately probably stronger in high winds if double poled which is very easy and practical to do. However it flaps so much in the wind and is actually drafty in the inside due to this I find it's not comfortable. Ii use the tent as a one person shelter and this then means the Jannu has a fighting chance in this field test for conditions like this which is 90 percent of the conditions that I encounter.... Maybe I just fancy a chance ha ha.... Thank you once again for this great comment. I appreciate it.... Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 Oh I do agree with all you've said, Nammatj is a bit chilly, due to the increased volume and venting options. Far more liveable in terms of space though I feel. I've tried a Jannu and found it "okay" but I respect that for what you're doing, alone, exposed camps, you'll have the quieter, more wind stable night. But just like your Abisko reviews, you go up in weight and still compromise on the durability/lifetime of the fabric when you pick the red label. Maybe test an Allak 2 also? Simply due to the 100g weight difference...excellent model. I well understand fancying a change!!
@@greenpanda7121 hey I enjoyed your comments on these tents, very interesting and good to hear your experience of both. Hard to disagree with what you have said. I own the Jannu and also had an Allak 2 at the same time as the Jannu. I have since sold Allak. Allak was a great tent in terms of livability. Lots of space and 105 internal height particularly good. I did find some features of it that were not for me. It is also quite a loose inner so flaps a bit in wind. The vent cover let wind driven rain under and through vents. Also the internal doors design with zips close to centre of roof tended to let ice drop into tent in winter. My biggest issue was it’s performance in high wind. The large dome structure with 9mm poles was vulnerable to significant deformation in strong wind. I really did like the tent but not for exposed summit camping I tend to do. I replaced it with kaitum 2. In my view a very under rated tent. Less weight and much stronger if pitched correctly plus even more space 👍
@@garynesbitt5078 The Kaitum 2 is a lovely tent, wish I'd started there. The height isn't perfect but for someone of average height like myself it's no issue. It's quite low profile which I think lends a lot to the stability. Allak 2 with 10mm poles is a fortress, but the 9's allow it to deform too easily on exposed camps as you say. Great ventilation options, I've never been hit by side wind driven rain issues, cinching the cover down may help but you might have gotten unlucky with the angle. Expensive as hell and on the heavy side, but it ticks a lot more boxes for me with the 10mm poles than the Soulo ever could. One issue with the Kaitum is the flat 4+ metre pitch....thst has been a challenge for me to find on recent excursions so I've been very grateful for the dome design, but I generally prefer everything that comes along with the kaitum/keron series
Hilleberg has made a video on how to set up Namatj correctly in strong winds: m.ua-cam.com/video/3eFAyKMz314/v-deo.html. Looks like you figured it out eventually. I have both Namatj 3 and Keron 3 GT, and chose them precisely because they should be easier to set up alone in strong winds and heavy snowstorms. In the choice between the two tents you have here, I would probably go for Namatj over Jannu due to space. One more thing; I would put the vestibule against the wind with Namatj, it handles the wind better and you avoid the tent cloth pressing against the foot end and the sleeping bag.
Hey great comments here thank you..The thing that got me here was I double poled the windward end of the tent and have only done this once before but not in a high wind set up. If It was only the one pole then I would have set the pole horizontally to protect it until I was ready to pull the tent out. As there were two poles I knew the poles didn't need protection so tried to get them to stand vertically. It was actually the wind that was pushing them back down and I couldn't get the poles into the pole cups. I checked all other reasons for the pole not seating until I eventually realises it was just the wind pressure. I have pitched vestibule into the wind before and am aware that Hilleberg recommend this... However I wanted to have the vestibule free of wind drafts and dont mind curling up to keep my sleeping bay away from rear which is getting the wind deformation... Great to hear your thoughts as you have two awesome Hillebergs. ATB Tom
I see! My experience is that with both single and double poling, it is easiest to attach the poles horizontally. If you don't like drafts from the vestibule then you should consider getting Hilleberg to sew storm mats on the tent for you. I got it on my Keron 3 GT, which I mainly use in the winter and harsh condition here in Norway. It adds a few extra grams, but helps both with drafts and a bit with stability as well. And by the way, I like your videos here on YT! 🙂
This is once again a great content-constructive video from Tom. Thanks for it. Also, because as a user of a Nammatj 2 I have long been very interested in the Jannu as an alternative. I will describe below why I with 188 cm height chose the Nammatj 2 as a one person tent for comfort ten years ago.
I knew before buying that even the big tunnel tents (Keron 3/4/GT) from Hilleberg withstand strongest storms in open terrain like Hardangervidda or inland ice Greenland. A test at a big reseller in Hamburg (I’m german) with a six cm thick mat and my winter down sleeping bag showed me that I can just lie on my back in the Nammatj 2 without the foot end of the sleeping bag hitting the inner tent and threatening to get wet. This was not at all guaranteed for me in the Jannu in that side-by-side test, despite the Jannu’s longer floor length remained due to the strong slopes at the ends less usable sleeping length. Footprint wise they both were the same, inner space wise the Nammatj 2 was far better.
I use the tents Nammatj 2 (in summer with mesh inner tent) as a one-person tent and my older Keron 3 for two in four seasons in Europe including areas as Lapland and Island.
At the Nammatj I appreciate especially the strength of a Black Label, the small footprint, the very good interior space and the fast setup with only two poles. It is in low wind with four pegs ready in three minutes. I've had the opportunity to set up and spend nights in the Nammatj many times so far ie. on the coast lines in wind force 9 Bft (
Hey thank you for this awesome and very detailed comment. I always want to learn how to do thinks differently and just gain extra knowledge and comments like yours really help..The experience that you have is amazing and I really appreciate you passing it on by taking the time to write so much. Its also amazing to engage someone like yourself by my video...Great to see the interest here using a two man tent for the purpose of one just like Gary and myself... I have put out a few videos regarding this and had great interest... Another on out today on the Durston x mid 2... Its totally amazing to feel in practice the differences in tent length compared to the on paper measurements...Ha ha about the zippers... The jingling noise doesn't bother me... I actually didn't cut mine off, I only ordered Hilleberg 2mm cord and added it as pulling cord... Mable though it also stops them rattling so much.. I too like the idea of the Black label fabrics and Hilleberg actually state that their strongest tents are Black Label Tunnels with double poles...
The space difference inside the tents for two people is serious... We really noticed it sitting in the tents. I also had to leave the Jannu due to my back hurting.... so what about that...
Regarding the tensioner straps it's complicated ha ha. On my Nammatj the strap slips though the buckle for some reason. So on the front straps I just re pegged it with the strap at max length but pulled out for good tension. On the rear as I was double pegging anyway I just put the second peg through the small loop on the strap to prevent it slipping back through the buckle... (I think this is what you are referring to).
So after all that, my Nammatj will be on eBay tonight in favour of a Jannu as it has enough space for one and that's always how I camp. The tension on the inner is one of the main reasons. I had a good pitch here and have been out in 60mph winds in the Nammatj but the inner is too flappy for me... It flaps so much that the fabric movement caused big rushes of air over the tope of me making the inner tent extremely drafty...
A black label Jannu gets close to the Tarra... I would make a Jannu and call it the Assault.... Same fabrics but extra pole at the rear and of Cours stretch it a little but keep the weight to 3.5kg....
ATB and great to have your thoughts...
Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 disappointing to hear about the tensioner straps slipping like that. I have a Macpac tent that does the same thing in rough weather but I’d assumed the Hillebergs metal tensioners would have solved it since I never hear anyone mention it but obviously not.
@@Yuffarium yeah it's done it a few times now so not worth the hassle for me to contact Hilleberg.. I just manage it. Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100What’s your experience regarding the length of the inner of the Jannu compared to the Nammatj ? You are very briefly mentioning in the video. Is the German fellow right ? Is your sleeping bag more likely to touch the inner in the Jannu than in the Nammatj? ( I’m 187. )
Hi tom Ant Evans here, just a random question, because your honest. What do you think off the nortent vern 2?
Your channel content is very much appreciated - we have bought a Nammatj 3 and a Jannu in the last 4 months, mainly based on your reviews.
By the way, 2 large neo xtherm max fit side by side in the Jannu with about 10cm to spare. Looking at the numbers looked like they wouldn’t, but they do. Might be useful info for somebody…
Hey I am delighted that you bought these two fantastic tents.... Are you happy with them ? Thank you for sharing your experience with the Xtherms .. I like to test two man shelters if possible with regular wide pads but I only have one so this information is great and very valuable as wide mats now are really becoming much more popular.. best wishes and let me know your thoughts on the tents.. Tom
We have used the Nammatj 3, 4 times camping high, had it in heavy rain and very cold conditions (no snow), not in high winds yet. Very impressed apart from the single pocket each side, but it’s a minor glitch. The sand model disappears into the scenery at 200 to 300 metres, more so than green.
The Nammatj 3 is about the same weight as the Jannu but more roomy for 2 on longer treks. I will use the Jannu if alone.
We will use the Jannu for two for winter stuff, where there is a risk of unexpected gnarly conditions. First trip in the Jannu will be early January.
When I ordered the Jannu I purchased the 10mm poles too, and doubled up on the Nammatj poles in case, plus got the footprints as it makes the vestibule a lot cleaner and dryer.
Since the last comment we have camped a few more times 4000m+ using the Jannu in winter and the Nammatj 3 in better conditions. We do not go out looking for extreme weather but are prepared for it.
Although the Jannu is "cosy" I would say that it's not an issue for active couples. Switched to 10mm poles in the Jannu and double poled the Nammatj 3 (2 x 10mm) on summits. Also used 4 delta pegs on the quadrant guy lines just in case. I don't mind the extra weight for security in exposed locations.
The Nammatj 3 is probably a better choice for 2 if there is only a small chance of harsh weather as very roomy. If it is rocky, very cold and or extreme weather is expected the Jannu is a better choice. For 1 person use, I think the Jannu fits all round.
Both tents are very good for wild camping where flat spots are hard to find. In most of the scenic places (summits and ridges) we target, we find sites are only just big enough to accommodate the Jannu / Nammatj footprints and the additional 1m length in the HG GTs would be an issue. If we were camping in valleys / by lakes etc GTs would work.
We have a Tarra on order for longer high-altitude trekking trips 1 week+.
Again, thank you for your excellent reviews which have heavily influenced the above tent choices for mountain camping.
These is a magic place. Very beautiful. But too much wind too.
I love the wind and cant sleep without hearing it..... Its always windy here in Northern Ireland... All the very best wishes and thank you for watching a number of may videos..Tom
Great video. It’s always good to see 2 tents like this side by side in challenging conditions. For me the Jannu edges it due to the way it can be pitched from the ground up and the inner tension. The only time my tents have ever sustained any damage is either pitching in high winds or having to take them down in high winds. Thanks and looking forward to your next video.
Hi John thank you.. Yes side by side is the way to do it... The ground up pitching system works so well in any conditions.. Me too re tent damage.. Nearly always when putting up or taking down.. I'll let you see my Jannu when I get one... Tom
Now that’s nice! I would go for the Nammatj2 as i have one….greetings as always from Germany !
Hey thank you for your vote and thoughts... The Nammatj is more durable and versatile and has more space for the same weight... It needs a few votes here so that you.... ATB Tom
Well done Tom,that weather looked horrendous.The Jannu looked really stable,thanks for another great video 👍👍
Hi Ian, it wasn't as windy as we wanted..Both of us wanted to see the others tent under a bit of pressure if you understand.. A decent night weather wise and great to test the tents side by side.. I really appreciate the interest in my videos you have shown over the past while thank you... ATB Tom
Had a nammatj, only used it once. A foot of snow dropped on it overnight, had no idea that it had snowed till I woke up, the tent had shed all the snow..
Hey great to hear of your Nammatj experience... its a great tent but just a bit flappy in high winds for me... Best wishes Tom
Jannu for the win great video!
Another win for Jannu.... ,💪💪must be about 10 to 1 now.... Quite surprised to be honest.. Thank you for your vote..
Great video. Thanks for posting 👍
You are welcome Richard.. I really enjoyed filming it... ATB Tom
Thanks Tom, I knew you would go for the Jannu. Big thanks to both.
Hi Marty, great to hear from you.. Jannu, yes needed the tents side by side to properly compare.. Gary is delighted that everyone loves his tent., 😂😂💪💪💪
As always, a wonderful video. Interesting to see how just a few in/cm can make a real difference in usable interior space. You do a great deal a study and research for these videos. Thanks so much for all you do.
Hey Denis, great that you are watching my videos and commenting 😁... yes interior measurements can be deceptive. When the tents are side by side then you can really see and feel the difference.. Tom
Great vid as ever Tom - proper real use reviews. All the best Clive.
Hey Clive, I hope you are well.... Thank you for this feedback on the video. I have an awesome 44mph wind pitching video of the Jannu coming up shortly... All the very best wishes Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 will look forward to that!
I can only assume the wind was measured off-camera 😉. Thanks for the useful side-by-side comparison. Cheers from NL
Yes of course.. Both of us measured 37mph.. with the Kestrels... Tom
Nammatj stays my fave! Nice vid!
Thank you a vote for the Nammatj at last.. I really appreciate you watching and commenting.. Tom
A friend of mine has both... I'll have to ask him which he prefers.
Hey Craig please do I would love to hear.. Make sure he is aware he has to pick... You know if he had to sell one which would it be... Hey thanks for the comments and watching.. Tom
Great to see two Titan tents going head to head. You could almost throw a coin as to which is best and be happy with the outcome. As you say though, the aerodynamics of the Jannu can clearly be seen. Thanks Tom.
Hey Barry, I thought you might enjoy this one.. It's generated good interest with the Red Label Black Label concept.. Also tunnel Vs semi geodesic.. You can definitely see the difference aerodynamics makes here as Jannu more comfortable in this wind.. Great to see you still have an interest in videos even when you are not making them... ATB Tom
I used to own Nammatj however found it bit short length wise (i am 178 - still was an issue for me), and then bought Jannu, incredibly strong tent but still there is downside of porch not really usable in bad weather - I would usually end up cooking inside (boiling water). I ve owned 13 Hilleberg tents total and all I can say there is no perfect tent (cliché!), I ve got Saivo on order which should arrive early 2024, I hope this would raise the bar of "comfort" in prolonged bad weather but will limit how many miles I can do on my usual hiking trips in Lake District... compromises 😀
@@sebastianforbes1 in what respect? Steam? Actually jannu is great for that as you can do it right below the went and all steam goes up. So I have msr lowdown for stability, I fix tent flor with my legs, sort of tentioning it, and the msr resides on foil insulation mat. Found this setup safe and secure enough.
@@cypokfil1789How did it go with Saivo?
Hi Tom. I commented last year after you reviewed the Jannu. Your thoughtful considerations were enough to give me the confidence to go out and purchase the tent - which is what I did. I’m pleased to say it lives up to my high expectations. Absolutely superb tent! It definitely gets my vote. ATB, Paul
Hi Paul, this is great to hear it really is... I am on the email stock alert list for one and my Nammatj is currently on eBay. I really meant to when I said this was a great tent. Side by side here it has more of what I am looking for than the Nammatj.... Once again thank you for keeping me informed.. Look out for my videos of it in action when I get it..... Tom
Perhaps, I lived in a Jannu for about 4 weeks or longer and with two persons and combined with a small car, the Jannu is the best sleeping room. Very warm and to be regulated superbly in my experience. The Nammatj 2 is more the to go too as an all purpose tent and indeed fot two persons sitting in. Cooking we did outside and in bad weather our living room was the small car. Super combination. It was in cold weather in the Pyrenees France at some altitude.
Hey just awesome to hear your thoughts Onno and your experience of the Jannu.. 4 weeks is a long the to spend in a tent.. Did 3 weeks on one occasion also in the Pyrenees in Andorra... I have now bought a Jannu and sold my Nammatj. Check out my recent video of the Jannu under big snow load.... ATB Tom ua-cam.com/video/HMa2xt1Ufm0/v-deo.html.
@@TOMHEANEY100 Ah you bought a Jannu. :-) you can't decide? :-) Well I cannot too. I now have an Allak 2 but only slept twice in it yet. I have 4 Hillebergs and a VW T3 minicamper. :-) travel always with a tent too to change routine so now and then. :-) But I think the Allak 2 is the real competitor for the Jannu. I think I like it more because of height inside and for cooking space inside and of course!! !! !! 🙂 the view with the two doors open in good weather. My favorite tent to live in is by the way: Keron 4 GT. :-) ok not for on your back, but for the rest..... Greetings.
Jannu has my vote ❎ Atb, David.
Hi David, mine too but yet I own the Nammatj.. Gary will be pleased with your vote.. Thank you for watching once again.. Tom
Nice comparison. Jannu for me. I seems bigger than the Soulo, lighter than the Staika, and a smaller footprint needed than the Tarra, but yet it’s similar to all three in it’s pole design. It’s big enough for 4 season usage for one person, and best of all - it’s red!!!!!
I do t like the thought of putting a tunnel tent up in high winds, and watching the Jannu go up easily in that wind would be a big plus in my book.
Great film Tom!
Phil
Hey Phil thanks for watching and commenting... Great to hear your thoughts.. I think we both need one.. Too many compromises on Nammatj and Soulo.. Hope you are well.. Tom
Hilleberg tunnel tents like the Namatj or the Nallo are brilliant provided you can find a strong peg placement. I guess every tent needs this but my only worries using the Nallo were when pegging out the guylines in particular was difficult.
Hi thank you for your comments and watching the video. Great to hear your experience of the Nallo... Tom
Hi, great video again, thanks!
Have you tried a Kuiu Storm Star?
Not yet! re the storm star but it gets great reviews.. Must try to source one somewhere. Tom
perfect review, simple. how. 👍
Hey thank you for watching and commenting on a number of my videos.. Much appreciated.. Tom
Love your tent comparison videos. Jannu for me based on the rigidity of the pole structure. Also like the 10mm pole upgrades done by your mate.
Hi William, Jannu is getting all the votes so far . My poor Nammatj... No one likes it., You seriously want to feel the strength in the poles.. Due to the structure the 10mm pole on its own felt as strong as the 9 and 10 combination on me double polling the Nammatj.. Great to hear your thoughts... Tom
Jannu for me. The loose inner flapping tent would drive me insane tbh.
Hi Andy, the flapping interior has eventually caught up to me.. Side by side Yiu can really notice it.. ATB Tom
Tough call Tom and great video once again. If the ground is hard, rocky, etc then the Jannu would clearly be better. The Nammatj without good pegs in the ground would be next to useless in winds like that.
Hi Kevin great to hear from you.. Yet another vote for the Jannu.. I will have to do a rematch on Luke's Mountain... Yes no doubt the Nammatj requires total reliance on pegs.. ATB and I hope you are well.. Tom
I have the Jannu and the Karon, 3 pole, hoop tent. For canoeing the hoop tent has better space and is more comfortable.... For up in the Alpine the Jannu is way quieter and more stable in a wind, but you'd better like your partner as you will be sleeping close!
Hey when I had the two tents here side by side I could really appreciate the difference in space and wind noise and fabric flapping on the inside of the tent. As I always use the tents on my own the Jannu is better for me so I sold the Nammatj and bought one. You can see it out on its first test in my Blizzard camping video... ua-cam.com/video/HMa2xt1Ufm0/v-deo.html.. Always pleased to hear the thoughts 💭 of owners of the tents that I am testing...All the very best Tom
For this, would love to use my BL Saivo or Tarra. If I could carry them.
Tarra just about 0k for 1 to carry but not too often.. Yes it would have been great to have a Tarra here to compare.. It's one of my favorite tents ever.. Tom
Excellent review of the two tents side by side comparisons. For me the two are very good tents but I still like and prefer my Hilleberg Tara. Its a Black label and has plenty of room for two people. It has two vestibules for an entrance in the tail of the wind and very strong with 4x 10 mm poles. This for me proves that the Tara is worth the couple extra pounds. Again all Hilleberg tents are awesome and these two just prove it. Thank you for your work, time, and expertise with this video. Take care.
Hi Jason, I totally get the Tarra thing but for one person I personally cant do 4kg but that's the only reason why I dont have one.. I have a review video on the terra and intend to borrow it again and put it up against a terra love 40th anniversary Quasar.. (no contest really).... best wishes Tom
The weight is a definite factor. I really appreciate the different perspective on it too. Looking forward to more of your videos and adventures. Thank you
@@jasonb2775 If I was 10 years younger it would be the Tarra every time ha ha... Tom
Great demo
Jannu gets my vote as the inside is so taught
But for space it’s opposite !!! But for one person Jannu again
My vote is a guess as I have not seen either in the flesh
To vote or have an opinion you need to get in them
Cheers
Hi Mountain Hopper... Thank you for your vote... This is the same as me and its mainly down to the tension on the inner of the Jannu and it has enough space for one... It kind of took me to see the tents in action side by side to come to this conclusion.... ATB Tom
Definitely the nammatj in my opinion. My jannu was badly damaged in December on binnian. The issue started with the webbing cutting through from the violent vibration against the pegs. The metal rings on the nammatj would have prevented this. The nammatj is noisier in the wind but in my opinion stronger
Hey, John I watched your video the other day and will comment on it... I learned quite a lot from it so thank you for posting...really was a great video. No doubt the metal rings are a solution but so is using Tube Stakes that cant damage the straps of guy lines. I use 8 of them here and so does Gary in the Jannu. After both of watching your video we both have ordered more as the Hilleberg Y pegs could also work their way through a guy line in the wrong conditions. I am aware of this happening to others too. I also double peg and back stake so no peg can come loose. Nammatj needs 18. I take 10 extra for conditions like this... I also double poled the Nammatj here. However it was definitely no where near as windy here as on your camp.... ATB Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 thanks for your thoughts. We definitely learned alot that night. The weather definitely caught us out. We didn't expect what the wind that arrived and that was definitely a learning experience. I actually bought xpegs from hilleberg after that night and will use them in future. I must check out the tube pegs too.
Great video Tom! I think both tents are very good! But I like nammatj better because I have one myself 😂
But I have a dream about Allak 2 in sand color. Have a great evening!
Hey thanks for watching.. Good to hear you have a Nammatj like me... Tom
Excited to see you get a Jannu it’s been a dream tent of mine for a long time. I’ve heard the rear wall can be a weak point if the wind turns in the night and starts hitting it, would be interesting to see you test this. Also wind blowing rain up under the top cover but that seems a possibility on any tent with a top hat. Looking forward to some Jannu content!
Hi, I have a stock email alert in with a few companies as no stock anywhere... Hilleberg state its best vestibule into the wind and rain and this also stops rain blowing under the top cover... When I get it I will definitely try both to see how it performs.... Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 Awesome look forward to it. Maybe it’s just a New Zealand thing but it’s not uncommon for the wind to swing 180 on a wim so those recommendations only work some of the time haha. Hopefully you get your hands on one soon
Best review without bullshiting
Hey Jarek, I really appreciate your positive feedback. Thank you for watching and great to hear that you enjoyed the video... ATB Tom
I’ve always wanted a Jannu. After using tunnel tents for the last few years I made the switch to a Soulo. I used it in 50 mph winds (measured with my anemometer) and the difference in flappiness compared to my old Nammatj and Abisko tents was night and day. The Jannu has always looked like a brilliant tent due to the taught pitch, space and strength. Very hard to get hold of at the moment though. Great video 👍👍
Hi Jamie,. Another vote for Jannu.. Flip sake the Nammatj will have to go.. When used side by side then the flapping of the inner in the Nammatj is insane.. It actually created puffs of air blowing over me all night... Thank you for watching again and sharing your tent experience... Really good to hear from you.. Hope you are out in the Soulo as I now am kind of regretting selling mine..ATB Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 I look forward to your future Jannu videos when you finally get one👍
The Terra is my fav and then the Stika; but tunnel versions are so comfortable!! I also love the Fjällräven tents.... they are just as good IMHO. :)
Hey thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts 🤔💭.. I had Terra Novas for years and a decent reliable product.. The owner of this Quasars would be happy with your vote.. Thank you for sharing it.. Hey ATB Tom
If it gets really! Windy you want your tent to blow down no break. The Nallo for me?
Both are failures. 😂😂
Very nice video, but for a four season tent isn't the choice of a semi geodesic design over a tunnel obvious? Less deformation, better snow loading and much much quieter?
Hi... All tents have gains in some areas for sacrifices in others... It depends on your priorities. Like you say the Jannu here has less deformation in wind, not sure about the snow loading as aerodynamic profiles will flatten under snow load so the vestibule in the Jannu will deform more than the steep vestibule in the Nammatj... The Jannu is definitely much quieter in the wind but has much less space here than the Nammatj. The Jannu is also less durable due to thinner fabrics. For me though I prefer the Jannu..... ATB and thank you for this comment... Tom
That Jannu looks awesome Tom, so sturdy in those winds. Have you any experience of the wind changing direction and hitting the Nammatj from the side, just wonder with the higher sides of the tunnel if it would be an issue?
Hi I haven't had wind direction changes. Hilleberg test it to 60mph from the side so it should be ok... You will definitely get a lot of inner flapping that's for sure... Tom
Hi, from what I see its a no-brainer, Jannu for the win 100%, im surprised you sold its actually!
Seems much better then the other 3 tents you showed in previous video.
Its only tiny big heavier but so much better, stronger in wind and looks like they should swap labels lol its defo black to me.
Yes less space for 2 but a peace on mind and no flapping and noise like in Nammatj. I would be worrying alot in your tent during night and defo less sleep as well.
I like a good tipi tent myself as I cannot afford Hillebergs ectso went with Hex Peak V4A as its also bombproof in winds or its supposed to be, I need to test. I also bought the same sleeping mat in large and wide ;) Love this Big Agnes sooo comfy!
Anyway, thats just my 2cents, I love your passion to have a one awesome tent and Im kinda similar and try to find my perfect one so hope to test my tent soon as well ;]
Hi Gregory, thank you for your comments and sorry for taking so long to get back to you...Great to hear your thoughts. My Nammatj is now on eBay and I have 4 email alerts set up for a Jannu.. Cant say much more than that.... I have another video up at 7 tonight which you should enjoy so will really look forward to hearing your thoughts..Not sure on your first line of your comment. I borrowed this Jannu for a previous review but never owned one... ATB Tom
Personally, I would only use these in snow. But both are awesome tents for sure. Used a Jannu for years. Now I prefer keron / Unna combo
Hey thank you for the comments...Too many Hilleberg tents to choose from.. I have tested an Unna and was very impressed.. Tested a Kaitum 2 so the 3 pole Keron structure would definitely be nice I am sure...
@@TOMHEANEY100 theres also the Norwegian brands to choose from. Helsport, Barents outdoor and newly launched Norrøna
@@gjeddekaka must check out Norrona. Looked at Helsport many times but harder to source in the UK and won't hold their value nearly as well as Hilleberg... Thank you for sharing.. Tom
Hi Tom . Great vid. Thanks very much for posting this. I know it is a pet hate of yours, but my concern is condensation. I would like a four season tent to cover the worst conditions, but for that kind of money I would like a tent that would also cope better in warmer weather to get the max use out of it. If that makes sense? I suspect the Nammatj would be slightly less prone to condensation due to the through ventilation. I am with you on the Jannu in strong winds though. As you say, depends on your requirements.
Hi Paul, yes great through flow on air in the Nammatj. Also because the inner flaps and moves more there is quite a lot of air flow in the tent. You can also roll up the front door entirely by using an easy modification which is great in the summer.. Great to hear you understand that condensation is my pet hate ha ha... None here this night... Thank you for your thoughts and comments... Tom
Hi Paul. Jannu is one of best venting 4 season tents I have owned. I have several tents so not championing it just because I own it. The vent cover always needs to be staked out to separate it from fly. But it does vent incredibly well 👍
Great video but doesn't the fact that you used different poles alter the results??
I know what you mean but both had different poles which is a Modification easy to do on each tent.. Definitely a good point as both tents then not stock.. It's a tough one as when we have the strength modifications capacity not to use it just in case the conditions deteriorate... Thank you for watching and commenting.. Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 thanks for the reply Tom I loved the video and will be subbing
@@shuggiemcg1 it was a great comment Shug.. Got me thinking.. Great to be challenged.. ATB and I appreciate your sub too... Tom
Sorry for the mistakes, I write with the help of a translator! Tell me, is the transverse arc above the vestibule (entrance) 10mm?
Hey no worries yes yes all poles on Jannu 10mm.. Nammatj 10mm and 9mm combination at wind end. 10mm on Vestibule... Hope that helps.. Thank you for watching... Translation good 💯
@@TOMHEANEY100 but after all, the native 9mm poles on Jannu above the vestibule have a bend, where did you get 10mm poles with such a bend?
Hi the 10mm arc pole on the Jannu is sold that way. It’s is pre bent with an angled insert exact match to the stock 9mm pole. Hope this helps 👍
@@garynesbitt5078 Thanks for the answer. I didn't know that jannu sells a full set of 10mm poles.
Nice jacket 😂 Oohhhh Jannu for sure, although sherpa needed to carry the 3kg of either!
Yeah I have had the jacket for many years.. 3kg is not too bad... Worth it for the strength 💪 durability and space... Tom
👍👍 that set up was difficult
Yeah I am still learning.... Any change at all to your system can throw in a complication.... Thank you for watching and good ti hear from you.... Tom
Hi Tom, great vid. A lot of important info. Both are great tents from what I see. Certainly some strong test winds. I like the three pole design. Stability. I'm sure the black label is more durable material wise but I really like the framework of the Jannu. Similar to my tents. Hey take care, good looking pillow.
Hey Sam great to hear from you and that you enjoyed the video.,.. Lots of differences here in design and side by side showed up a few surprises.. Yes the Trekology pillow does the job for now until I get a Big Agnes one... ,😬😁
Tom, where would you rank the Tarra against these two?
The Tarra would be tops for two people as the weight penalty is spread between two people.. for one person though my favourite is the Jannu.. best wishes Tom
Hey, thank you for watching, let me know your choice between the two tents. So far in the comments the Jannu is winning by a large margin.. ATB Tom
Nammatj 2 🤗
Great for your vote.. The Nammatj needs many more votes...
For me the Nammatj is more versatile, better ventilation, more flexible and not as specific as the Jannu
@@strid_son some great points here.. Thank you for sharing.....
Tom, thanks for this active comparison - very helpful. One question (maybe 2): you described that you brought a spare pole and that Gary brought his 10 mm poles instead of the 9 mm's that come with the tent. Did you actually buy just one pole from Hilleberg? And did Gary actually procure somehow a separate set of 10 mm poles from Hilleberg. I ask because the designs of these tents are so precise that I just wonder how you both came to have extra poles that suited each of these tents.
Hi Michael .. I use a second pole from my AKTO which is the same length.. I also use the Nammatj pole in my Akto to make it stronger... Gary got his poles from Hilleberg., He might jump in here but if not I will double check.. Thank you for watching and great to hear that you enjoyed the video... Tom
Hi Michael. A few Hilleberg retailers stock the 10.25mm DAC poles for the Jannu, as do Hilleberg themselves. DAC make them for a few of the hille red label tents. I got from a mix of Hilleberg and Tentes 4 Saisons in France based on availability of stock. Hope this helps.
@@garynesbitt5078 Hey Gary thank you for the reply. I know you are so happy your tent is winning the opinion poll..... You handed it to me on the pitch time too ha ha.... You will be making videos next.... Tom
@@garynesbitt5078 Thanks Tom. I didn't realize it was an option.
@@TOMHEANEY100 Thanks again
Fjallraven 😉
mmmm.....
Sorry Tom, I'd be sleeping in the Jannu and asking you to pitch your flappy, noisy tunnel somewhere else.
Hey Derek Yr a laugh.. But the Nammatj is gone... Replaced by a lovely green Jannu....Not sure if you have seen my video of it out in deep snow.. ATB Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 I have seen it. What a great adventure. I've seen other videos with top vented Hillebergs having leak problems with strongly blown rain. Is it likely to be a a problem for you. It looks like the Jannu's cover extends a bit further than the Soulu for example.
@@derekperkins7343 Hi Derek it should not be as when you pitch vestibule into the wind the vent is further protected.. It's early days for me with this tent so lots of experimenting to do.. Hey thank you for your comments and thoughts 🤔.. All the very best Tom
Here we go...
The heavy weights..💪💪
@@TOMHEANEY100 fuck yeah, let's fucking go...
@@memphisreines now now easy on... 😬😬😂😂
@@TOMHEANEY100 hey don't you start with that.
@@memphisreines The UA-cam Police will be knocking on your door,. 😂😂
Is this tent a red label or a black label?
Hi, the Jannu is red and the Nammatj is black... Tom
I've owned/used Nammatj 2, loved it, and regret selling it. But I find my Allak with 10mm poles a mini fortress, however the Jannu seems stronger in design.
Hi, thank you for watching and sharing your thoughts as a fellow Hilleberg owner... The Allak is a very versatile tent and with 10mm poles it is pretty strong I am sure.. Its strange that the red label Jannu is as strong as the black label Nammatj.. Although in durability the Nammatj would have the win.... ATB and great to hare from you.. Tom
Only one way to settle this Tom - round 2 in worse weather 🤣. This has the makings of Ali v Frazier 💪. On a serious note, it was really interesting to see both tents side by side in fairly challenging weather. I think both are closely matched for strength; the Jannu being a more rigid structure and the nammatj relying more on the guy lines and flexing with the wind. For 2 person use I’d take the nammatj because of its more usable internal space. For 1 person use I’d take the Jannu, based on its taught inner and more technical design. Two superb shelters, it really comes down to personal preference……do I sense a Jannu joining your fleet 🤔
Hi Gary you know me.. We only have days to settle the score as Nammatj on eBay shortly.. It's the one person thing and at the same weight there is tonnes of space for one in the Jannu.. The inner tension thing has eventually got to me... Thank you for the camp... Tom
Seeking the 1+ person multi-terrain/multi-conditions and 4-seasons-use tent... I'd likely go with the Jannu. Structural integrity (in a versus case by case) may be debatable in terms of attention to detail and overall scenarios on set-ups (plus maintainability aspects during changing demands). The thing worthy of consideration is: The consistency factors favoring the Jannu for set-up/take-down in an all-terrain/any-environment pitch. The only feature I do not like on Jannu is the topper/lid... in truly serious, wind driving rains, snow, silt/sand, etc. this kind of feature can have issues. It's also just another thing to assemble/take-down or get lost. Weight (as modified) would be interesting data-points given Januu went with 10mm poles and Nammatj went double pole strategies.
Hey thank you for your comments and thoughts... The Jannu is a good call and I agree.. Factors such as simplicity ie two poles and both the same length could be a definitive advantage in some environments... You are right about the ventilation cover having issues although vestibule into the wind reduces these.. yeah I am not sure exactly the fighting weight here of the tents in this format but not too much difference... Once again thank you for your detailed thoughts... Tom
Hi very good points you have raised about the vent cover. I have owned a couple of top vented Hilleberg tents, most recently the Allak. In strong rain it was almost impossible to stop rain getting pushed under the vent cover due to its “floating” design. That’s the main reason I sold it. The Jannu is very different in that the vent cover wraps over front arc pole to create a total seal so nothing can get underneath. This plus the structural strength of arc pole is why Jannu should always be pitched vestibule into wind in strong winds. On the weight query I calculate the Jannu at c. 3.3kg with the 10mm poles. Stock nammatj is 3kg. The extra pole used here probably pushes it to around c. 3.15 kg.
Black Label v Red Label, okay but it looks like design/geodesic structure versus two hoops is much more important in high winds.
Jannu wins.
You know what.. you are right.. It's kind of going against the label system of Hilleberg but side by side here in the wind the Jannu was more comfortable.. Hey thanks for the comments and watching.. Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 I’m a fan of the channel Tom. I’m also a Hilleberg fan, I have four now but when you cross poles the strength is multiplied exponentially, especially 10mm poles.
Btw, I ordered a Durston X-Mid 2P Pro to see what the fuss is about, it arrives in April ‘23.
Slàinte. 🥃
@@dougieranger Hey thanks.. I got a Durston yesterday to review.. It's just the x mid 2 but not the Pro version... I'll try to get a first look video done by Sunday or mid week at the latest...😁😁
@@TOMHEANEY100 I will look forward to seeing that my friend.
@@dougieranger yes mate done a spare room pitch already... 😂😂
Nallo 2 for one?
Hey William, fair enough almost bought a Nallo 2 on a few occasions.... Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 I’m just being selfish as I’d love to see you review it. Atb Tom.
Helisport pro
Stop it you should know better... 😂😂 But I will accept your comment seeing it's you.... Tom
It looks like your friend has a broken pole? Maybe it’s just the camera angle
Hi definitely not..... If you get a moment where about in the video does it look like the pole is broken.... Many many thanks Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 57 seconds. Quite the bend on one
@@iddn Hi the pole is pre bent like that in the middle.... Just had a look so that you for the time.... ATB Tom
If the Jannu was being tested as it comes, versus the Nammatj it might have been a different result. If you favour absolute windstability, then a Jannu is probably the better design, but it is a one person tent in real world application, and the angles are unfavourable for both vestibule and cabin. Nammatj has increased strength, durability and most of all space, at the expense of big side panels and some wind stability. But in general it is stable enough. The test seems a little biased given the Jannu has the 10mm poles honestly, somewhat skewers the comparison. If you're doing solo ascents in exposed mountainous areas, Jannu is probably for you, but I'd keep an eye on the weight increase with 10mm poles as you might enter another better tent's territory given the extra investment £££ and weight penalty. Speaking from experience. All the best (I vote Nammatj)
Hey you... The Nammatj was double polled at the windward side so neither tents stock or had a particular advantage...its a field test using our tents as we use them not a Lab test where all things are perfectly equal.... I own the Nammatj and selected it a year ago over the Jannu so I should have been biased towards it.... Ha ha I dont mean to be cheeky and great comment thank you. The Nammatj is more durable, spacious, versatile, better vented and ultimately probably stronger in high winds if double poled which is very easy and practical to do. However it flaps so much in the wind and is actually drafty in the inside due to this I find it's not comfortable. Ii use the tent as a one person shelter and this then means the Jannu has a fighting chance in this field test for conditions like this which is 90 percent of the conditions that I encounter.... Maybe I just fancy a chance ha ha.... Thank you once again for this great comment. I appreciate it.... Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 Oh I do agree with all you've said, Nammatj is a bit chilly, due to the increased volume and venting options. Far more liveable in terms of space though I feel. I've tried a Jannu and found it "okay" but I respect that for what you're doing, alone, exposed camps, you'll have the quieter, more wind stable night. But just like your Abisko reviews, you go up in weight and still compromise on the durability/lifetime of the fabric when you pick the red label. Maybe test an Allak 2 also? Simply due to the 100g weight difference...excellent model. I well understand fancying a change!!
@@greenpanda7121 hey I enjoyed your comments on these tents, very interesting and good to hear your experience of both. Hard to disagree with what you have said. I own the Jannu and also had an Allak 2 at the same time as the Jannu. I have since sold Allak. Allak was a great tent in terms of livability. Lots of space and 105 internal height particularly good. I did find some features of it that were not for me. It is also quite a loose inner so flaps a bit in wind. The vent cover let wind driven rain under and through vents. Also the internal doors design with zips close to centre of roof tended to let ice drop into tent in winter. My biggest issue was it’s performance in high wind. The large dome structure with 9mm poles was vulnerable to significant deformation in strong wind. I really did like the tent but not for exposed summit camping I tend to do. I replaced it with kaitum 2. In my view a very under rated tent. Less weight and much stronger if pitched correctly plus even more space 👍
@@garynesbitt5078 The Kaitum 2 is a lovely tent, wish I'd started there. The height isn't perfect but for someone of average height like myself it's no issue. It's quite low profile which I think lends a lot to the stability. Allak 2 with 10mm poles is a fortress, but the 9's allow it to deform too easily on exposed camps as you say. Great ventilation options, I've never been hit by side wind driven rain issues, cinching the cover down may help but you might have gotten unlucky with the angle. Expensive as hell and on the heavy side, but it ticks a lot more boxes for me with the 10mm poles than the Soulo ever could. One issue with the Kaitum is the flat 4+ metre pitch....thst has been a challenge for me to find on recent excursions so I've been very grateful for the dome design, but I generally prefer everything that comes along with the kaitum/keron series
Hilleberg has made a video on how to set up Namatj correctly in strong winds: m.ua-cam.com/video/3eFAyKMz314/v-deo.html.
Looks like you figured it out eventually. I have both Namatj 3 and Keron 3 GT, and chose them precisely because they should be easier to set up alone in strong winds and heavy snowstorms. In the choice between the two tents you have here, I would probably go for Namatj over Jannu due to space. One more thing; I would put the vestibule against the wind with Namatj, it handles the wind better and you avoid the tent cloth pressing against the foot end and the sleeping bag.
Hey great comments here thank you..The thing that got me here was I double poled the windward end of the tent and have only done this once before but not in a high wind set up. If It was only the one pole then I would have set the pole horizontally to protect it until I was ready to pull the tent out. As there were two poles I knew the poles didn't need protection so tried to get them to stand vertically. It was actually the wind that was pushing them back down and I couldn't get the poles into the pole cups. I checked all other reasons for the pole not seating until I eventually realises it was just the wind pressure. I have pitched vestibule into the wind before and am aware that Hilleberg recommend this... However I wanted to have the vestibule free of wind drafts and dont mind curling up to keep my sleeping bay away from rear which is getting the wind deformation... Great to hear your thoughts as you have two awesome Hillebergs. ATB Tom
I see! My experience is that with both single and double poling, it is easiest to attach the poles horizontally. If you don't like drafts from the vestibule then you should consider getting Hilleberg to sew storm mats on the tent for you. I got it on my Keron 3 GT, which I mainly use in the winter and harsh condition here in Norway. It adds a few extra grams, but helps both with drafts and a bit with stability as well. And by the way, I like your videos here on YT! 🙂