Billie Lourd Talks About Her Grandmother Debbie Reynolds (Clip) | Star of the Month | TCM

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  • @marysketch4772
    @marysketch4772 9 місяців тому +27

    What a great idea to have a tribute to Debbie Reynolds. I always thought she wasn't celebrate/recognized enough upon her death; perhaps because of the close circumstances with her daughter. I always thought my mother would have been upset, thinking Debbie Reynolds didn't get enough recognition upon her death too; she was certainly an important star!

  • @whatfreshhellisthis8810
    @whatfreshhellisthis8810 9 місяців тому +138

    Lovely young woman. Clearly, the forces of her mother and grandmother are with her.

    • @michaelstacey8303
      @michaelstacey8303 9 місяців тому +1

      Dumbest Star Wars reference ever

    • @andreaandrea6716
      @andreaandrea6716 9 місяців тому +3

      @@michaelstacey8303 No. I liked that. Because it's true.

    • @michaelstacey8303
      @michaelstacey8303 9 місяців тому

      @@andreaandrea6716 again! The dumbest Star Wars reference other! There is no truth in your silly statement as the force does not exist

    • @andreaandrea6716
      @andreaandrea6716 9 місяців тому

      @@michaelstacey8303 Just because you are colour blind doesn't mean that there is no colour. There most certainly IS a great Force in the Universe. Just LOOK AROUND YOU. Life itself is an EXTRAORDINARY and insane miracle. If you are so jaded and stupid as to not be able to get that, then I am infinitely sorry for you.

    • @ginnylorenz5265
      @ginnylorenz5265 8 місяців тому +3

      Great comment!

  • @sandyhughes1520
    @sandyhughes1520 8 місяців тому +42

    How refreshing to hear someone say they love their family. She is a sparkle and so sweet

    • @MissLizaMay
      @MissLizaMay 4 місяці тому

      sparkle and sweet? She's a hypocrite who turned on her aunts and uncle because they processed their grief differently than her. WTF does she think she is? What a spoiled brat

  • @Green.heron24
    @Green.heron24 9 місяців тому +78

    This was perfect. She was excited, positive and well prepared. She would be a great host. Thank you and best wishes to Billie.💜🦋🌟

    • @leighewinson9473
      @leighewinson9473 8 місяців тому +2

      In the seventies I saw Debbie's show in NYC. Everything in the show that could go wrong did.
      Costume malfunctions The screen brought down to show her movies wasn't working.
      This was where I really learned the word Trooper. If I remember correctly she did apologize. But of course she was amazingly entertaining. Brought up in a time when The show must go on no matter what! and you felt it. I loved her even more after seeing that show.

    • @robertforster8984
      @robertforster8984 8 місяців тому +1

      @@leighewinson9473 My mom saw Debbie Reynolds and Carrie Fisher in Irene in 1972 when she was in High School.

  • @roccosophie6498
    @roccosophie6498 9 місяців тому +114

    Billie Lourd is a very lucky young woman. I know she lost her mother and grandmother early but, she still has that legacy! And that's quite a legacy.

    • @TomSnyder-gx5ru
      @TomSnyder-gx5ru 9 місяців тому +2

      And she has the $$$ - and never "earned" a penny of it!

    • @anbraiii4798
      @anbraiii4798 7 місяців тому +1

      ​@TomSnyder-gx5ru so inheriting from her family is her fault how?

    • @roccosophie6498
      @roccosophie6498 7 місяців тому

      @@anbraiii4798 WHAT?

  • @lauriem1643
    @lauriem1643 9 місяців тому +61

    she seems like a lovely, fun young woman. So sorry she lost her mum and grandmother at the same time. terrible loss.

  • @TTM9691
    @TTM9691 9 місяців тому +14

    What a fantastic interview! I've loved Debbie Reynolds since I was about 8 years old and saw Singin' In The Rain for the first time, and I've never stopped. I saw her mom in Star Wars around the same time. Her family is my family, as far as I'm concerned. Very cool lady Billie has grown up to be, Debbie & Carrie would be beyond proud!

  • @leesteele
    @leesteele 9 місяців тому +52

    It’s great to get to know Billie a little better, and what a great interviewing job from the great Dave Karger.

  • @chloetrindall5640
    @chloetrindall5640 9 місяців тому +50

    What a wonderful interview! Billie Lourd seems like a lot of fun!

    • @TomSnyder-gx5ru
      @TomSnyder-gx5ru 9 місяців тому

      It's easy to be "a lot of fun" when you get to live off of millions of mommies/grandmother's inherited $$ that you never had to work for!

    • @ellenw391
      @ellenw391 8 місяців тому +6

      @@TomSnyder-gx5ru Hmmm seems to me I've seen her do a lot of her own projects. That involves WORK and not just living off inherited money. Plus she seems to have integrity. When a certain family member was selling fake items, she distanced herself immediately. Very sad that happened, but it shows she valued honestly of earning money off her Mom's name. And now she is married with 2 young children. So I think it's great if she is currently directing most of her time to them!!! And don't forget, her Dad is one of the Hollywood's most successful agents. So yeah, she is lucky financially. But I'd wager a bet she'd rather be broke and have her Mom back!

    • @RoyalMasterpiece
      @RoyalMasterpiece 8 місяців тому +2

      @@ellenw391 💯 and her Grandmother, too. ❤

    • @cmcb09
      @cmcb09 7 місяців тому

      @@TomSnyder-gx5ruwhat have you done with your life again? its rather pathetic replying to multiple comments peeved that someone is better fixed financially then you are.

  • @pamash427
    @pamash427 9 місяців тому +17

    Such a great interview! My families trivia with Singing in the Rain is that my Grandpa was in the crew in the rafters controlling/pouring the rain on Gene Kelly! The other connection is that my Grandpa’s name was Eddie Fisher (true story!) 😊

  • @lindam2090
    @lindam2090 9 місяців тому +14

    Dave you have been such a good add to this channel. All of you hosts helped us when Robert passed. I love this channel so much. I wish I could afford to come to the events but am lucky to see them on tv.

  • @samueljaramillo4221
    @samueljaramillo4221 9 місяців тому +22

    Her grandmother was jewel. Both mother and grandmother were great actresses. And this young lady is following in their footsteps.

    • @MissLizaMay
      @MissLizaMay 4 місяці тому

      not at all. Her mom and grandmother were lovely ladies. Billie is trash. Carrie and Debbie would be appalled at how trashy Billie's behaved towards the rest of the family.

    • @samueljaramillo4221
      @samueljaramillo4221 4 місяці тому

      @@MissLizaMay
      Do you know them personally? If not third party gossip.

  • @VicAmor1944
    @VicAmor1944 9 місяців тому +11

    What a charming young woman! An often overlooked movie with Debbie Reynolds is Athena (1954) along with Jane Powell. The dance routine in the number "I Never Felt Better" is a marvel to watch! I created the subtitles (with song lyrics, too) for the movie, when before there were none. I hope that Billie Lourd has seen it!

  • @Star-u3t1l
    @Star-u3t1l 8 місяців тому +10

    Singing in the Rain was boot camp for Debbie!

  • @12classics39
    @12classics39 9 місяців тому +24

    Absolutely wonderful that she’s introducing her grandmother’s amazing work to her son at such an early age and keeping that legacy alive. ❤

  • @eightiesaddictone9063
    @eightiesaddictone9063 9 місяців тому +25

    Billie is lovely and so genuine.

  • @bridgetbell4240
    @bridgetbell4240 9 місяців тому +21

    God bless this beautiful charming young woman. She does her grandmother and mother proud! ❤️

    • @TomSnyder-gx5ru
      @TomSnyder-gx5ru 9 місяців тому

      I'd do my grandmother/mother proud too if I had the inherited million$ she raked in for just "being here!"

    • @blueberrycobbler
      @blueberrycobbler 8 місяців тому +2

      @@TomSnyder-gx5ruWhat a crass statement. I’m sure she would rather have her grandmother and mother back and doesn’t need a financial incentive to make her proudly represent her grandmother.

  • @slc2466
    @slc2466 9 місяців тому +38

    Billie was so funny and inventive in "Booksmart"- she did her her family name proud. Great to hear her reflect on her "Aba Daba" here.

    • @oldhollywoodfan8009
      @oldhollywoodfan8009 9 місяців тому +3

      Yes!😃 She also cracked me up in Scream Queens with her very blasé attitude and earmuffs for every outfit in every episode.😂🤣😂

    • @65g4
      @65g4 8 місяців тому +2

      So great in Booksmart

  • @debr4613
    @debr4613 9 місяців тому +26

    Billie is definitely Debbie's granddaughter ❤️ love Debbie Reynolds ❤I was named after her🎉

    • @alibhg3063
      @alibhg3063 9 місяців тому +4

      She looks just like her in Debbie's younger photos! Billie's so strong.

  • @WhenUrSmilin
    @WhenUrSmilin 9 місяців тому +21

    She's fantastic. I definitely see both her mom and "Abba-Dabba" (love that she called her that) in her-not just in her looks but also in her personality.

  • @bryanweston6779
    @bryanweston6779 4 місяці тому +4

    Three generations of talent when the art becomes love you have everything to entertain

  • @MariaPascoa-u1d
    @MariaPascoa-u1d 9 місяців тому +7

    Billie, is a beautiful, nice person. Love, Debbie Reynold's movies, what a talent. Enjoyed, the interview so much. Good job! ❤

  • @auapplemac2441
    @auapplemac2441 9 місяців тому +23

    Great interview. Just a note to say how much I cherish TCM. I love old movies from 30s and 40s especially; always have even as a kiddo. Don't know what drew me to them, but through TCM, I have a treasure trove of these gems. Not all of them sparkle, but even the cubic zirconia ones fascinate me. Thanks to Ted Turner for starting this and saving these oldie but very goodies for me to enjoy.

  • @Bucketlistretreats
    @Bucketlistretreats 9 місяців тому +15

    How The West Was Won - a fav Debbie Reynolds film of mine

  • @jswjanjan
    @jswjanjan 9 місяців тому +18

    She's lovely❤

  • @commercialzone4141
    @commercialzone4141 9 місяців тому +11

    What a lovely young lady. Thank you for a great interview.

  • @nicolehall694
    @nicolehall694 9 місяців тому +13

    What a stunning young woman.
    I'm grateful she shared a bit of her life with us

  • @katherinespencer2633
    @katherinespencer2633 9 місяців тому +6

    Great interview! She’s got that vibe from her mother and grandmother! Go Billie!!

  • @RebeccaTurner-kf8gx
    @RebeccaTurner-kf8gx 9 місяців тому +5

    Bless her heart . I see a lot of Debbie and Carrie in her the force continues to b strong with this fam .

  • @65g4
    @65g4 4 місяці тому +3

    Im so excited to see Singin In The Rain in a theatre next week at my local theatre

  • @christophernejman
    @christophernejman 9 місяців тому +5

    I loved The Singing Nun. I remember watching it on TV when I was a kid.

  • @beverlybradley5485
    @beverlybradley5485 6 місяців тому +2

    It must have been so difficult for her, when her mother passed away & then her grandmother, so close together how amazing to have such two wonderful women as your role models in your life, she sounds like her mother and looks like both Carrie and Debbie.

  • @stevenwymor1398
    @stevenwymor1398 9 місяців тому +7

    I used to watch Singin’ In the Rain with my mother and grandmother too. They used to air it on TV as the Saturday matinee on a pretty regular basis when I was a kid in the late ‘60s and early ‘70s. I spoke about that experience in a eulogy I gave for my mom who happened to pass within days of Debbie Reynolds. It’s one of my all time favorites. The amount of sheer joy that film still brings to me is unparalleled. Long live Debbie Reynolds.

  • @parrisprice5892
    @parrisprice5892 4 місяці тому +2

    Idk what there is about Billy Lourd, but I find her irresistible, I can't take my eyes off her when she's on the screen. Much like Mom an Gma , she has that IT factor. Good luck with all your endeavors ,looking forward to seeing you in all the movies, TY

  • @RebelBuddha1971
    @RebelBuddha1971 4 місяці тому +2

    I can’t believe how long it’s been since Carrie Fisher and Debbie Reynolds left…already knew a bit about Billie but as she became more well known I fell in love. Smart and genuinely talented in her own right…none of that nepo baby BS.

  • @jontemplin6990
    @jontemplin6990 9 місяців тому +3

    Such a great interview, both Billie and Dave. A joy to listen to.

  • @vickysullivan4798
    @vickysullivan4798 8 місяців тому +3

    Oh I can hear Carrie Fishers voice in Billie…what an awesome thing…love this interview.

  • @kathrynpertz7384
    @kathrynpertz7384 4 місяці тому +2

    I Loved Debbie and Carrie ❤❤ Debbie said she was 17 in singing in the rain and never danced before..her feet actually were bleeding

  • @nemomonteflores3890
    @nemomonteflores3890 9 місяців тому +5

    Lovely, engaging interview. She’s smart, funny, charming. Wish her all that she wishes for.

  • @rjmcallister1888
    @rjmcallister1888 9 місяців тому +9

    Loved Debbie when I was a younger man. Loved Carrie, when both of us were about the same age. And love Billie, as she came through being a 'Hollywood brat' and, though not the big star they were, has a working career of her own.

  • @RENSHAWD9
    @RENSHAWD9 9 місяців тому +10

    So happy that Billie has a family of her own now and is carrying on her mother's and grandmother's legacies.

    • @MissLizaMay
      @MissLizaMay 4 місяці тому

      hope her kids treat her the way she's treated her uncle and aunts - the ungrateful brat

  • @daveschlom4033
    @daveschlom4033 9 місяців тому +8

    I am normally pretty good with words but this left me bereft. What an amazing family and I will root for Billie at every turn!

    • @MissLizaMay
      @MissLizaMay 4 місяці тому

      I will root for Billie to fail - she's such a spoiled brat - trying to play it off as though she's the only member of the family that survives. She shunned the rest of the family. She's trash.

  • @judypasqualone3819
    @judypasqualone3819 8 місяців тому +3

    I like her! Very natural and clearly so proud of her legacy. ❤️

  • @jillkjv3816
    @jillkjv3816 9 місяців тому +28

    Surprised they didn't mention The Unsinkable Molly Brown. 😊

    • @marytheresejacksonlutz2533
      @marytheresejacksonlutz2533 9 місяців тому +4

      Or Tammy Or A Catered Affair Or Debbie’s Vegas Shows

    • @PapagenoMF
      @PapagenoMF 9 місяців тому +6

      Sounds like Billie was prepared to talk for a long time about her grandmother - but didn't get the chance..

  • @outinsider
    @outinsider 9 місяців тому +5

    This was wonderful, and Billie carries the torch well, for Debbie and for Carrie.

    • @TomSnyder-gx5ru
      @TomSnyder-gx5ru 9 місяців тому

      She also gets to carry their money - without Debbie the other two would be unknown!

    • @outinsider
      @outinsider 9 місяців тому

      @@TomSnyder-gx5ru I wonder how much was left from Debbie's end because she was in and out of debt due to her husbands irresponsibile behaviors.

  • @samanthac.349
    @samanthac.349 8 місяців тому +2

    I read all of Carrie’s autobiographies. Despite whatever was going on in her life, her relationship with Billie was the most important thing to her.

  • @pjcifulleli2655
    @pjcifulleli2655 8 місяців тому +2

    Its refreshing to see Billie shine in her own right!!!😊

  • @allthatjazzspaz95
    @allthatjazzspaz95 8 місяців тому

    Her love for her mama and her abba dabba is beautiful. Those ladies are so dearly missed.

  • @cliffordnewell2445
    @cliffordnewell2445 9 місяців тому +9

    Billie Lourd is so beautiful.

  • @Dev_KG
    @Dev_KG 9 місяців тому +3

    My son also loved Make 'Em Laugh when he was that little!

  • @annabelbeyra2834
    @annabelbeyra2834 2 місяці тому

    Fantastic interview. Well done by the interviewer and interviewee.

  • @Anne--Marie
    @Anne--Marie 8 місяців тому +2

    I am such a Carrie Fisher fan. She was an amazing actress and author."Postcards from the Edge" is one of the greatest books ever written.
    P.S. If you only saw the movie, you missed out on the real story.

  • @RafaelaFerguson
    @RafaelaFerguson 8 місяців тому

    Debbie Reynolds is one of my favorite stars. She did have a beautiful singing voice and she was an excellent dancer. I have always admired her as a person. I think she was a very kind, compassionate, tenacious, caring, tough, loving woman and a survivor with a great sense of humor. She was a very versatile and talented performer and a classic movie star. The world could benefit from more people with her character, work ethic and perseverance. You are missed Ms. Reynolds by so many people who never got the chance to meet you in person but can relate to you and enjoyed your performances so much. You have left an amazing legacy. God bless you, ❤❤❤
    ⭐️🌟💫⭐️🌟💫

  • @michelehunter7865
    @michelehunter7865 9 місяців тому +4

    One of a kind, magnetic ladies; all 3 ❤

    • @TomSnyder-gx5ru
      @TomSnyder-gx5ru 9 місяців тому

      Well actually just one, Debbie Reynolds actually EARNED her money - the other two, not so much!

  • @lesliebrickey8357
    @lesliebrickey8357 9 місяців тому +4

    Sweet lady. Looks so much like her mom.

  • @keefir11
    @keefir11 8 місяців тому

    Debbie was brilliant and Carrie was a literary genius!
    Star filled generations!
    Recall Eddie and Debbie as America’s sweethearts 🥰❗️

  • @mistychenoweth9716
    @mistychenoweth9716 9 місяців тому +1

    Such a great star to tribute and such a talented family.

  • @gabrielaalvarez4634
    @gabrielaalvarez4634 9 місяців тому

    Love all the Debbie Reynolds’s movies but this one is my favor one I don’t remember how many times I watched and TCM is a great channel

  • @PhilippinesFarmLife
    @PhilippinesFarmLife 9 місяців тому +8

    Thank you

  • @slate49
    @slate49 9 місяців тому

    The BEST interview ever. Loved it

  • @auntvesuvi3872
    @auntvesuvi3872 8 місяців тому

    Many thanks to Dave and Billie! ⭐

  • @debjh8983
    @debjh8983 9 місяців тому +8

    My mother named me after Debbie Reynolds’s. 😊

    • @PapagenoMF
      @PapagenoMF 9 місяців тому

      Debbie Reynolds's what? What does that apostrophe signify?

  • @jamesbrady2461
    @jamesbrady2461 9 місяців тому +3

    In the 70s I saw Debbie
    In new York in Irene after
    The show we waited in a
    Long line , I thought it
    Would take long to get
    To .meet her at the desk
    But instead she. Came
    Out a side door right in
    Front of me ! She was
    Nice and funnny. I got
    To talk with her and her
    Autograph ! We all miss
    Her

    • @kallen868
      @kallen868 8 місяців тому +1

      I had friends who brought me to see Debbie's one woman show for my birthday. We knew the stage manager and got to go backstage to meet her after. She was lovely and held my hand throughout our meeting. Best birthday ever! 💖

  • @ThefetchNZ
    @ThefetchNZ 9 місяців тому

    What a great and good human. Raised by great and good humans. ❤

  • @mynameprivate7151
    @mynameprivate7151 4 місяці тому

    She has such incredible genuine energy, like the other women in her family

  • @2_thumbs_up_baby
    @2_thumbs_up_baby 9 місяців тому +3

    Great interview

  • @h0wdie
    @h0wdie 9 місяців тому +4

    She's relatively nunnish. It'd be fun to see it. Some modern remake of "The Trouble With Angels". Somebody get me a meeting!

  • @allyburnett3315
    @allyburnett3315 22 дні тому

    I looove Billie in Scream Queens 😂😂❤❤

  • @gigilamoore2656
    @gigilamoore2656 9 місяців тому

    She seems so grounded and in a healthy place in her life. Her mom and Abadaba are smiling.

  • @maddymud
    @maddymud 3 місяці тому

    Yes! I’ve said the Singing Nun is great for years!

  • @anatoliagolden-hall4553
    @anatoliagolden-hall4553 8 місяців тому

    Billie seems so sweet 😊

  • @SamBryans128
    @SamBryans128 9 місяців тому +5

    Someone get Billie her nun role!

    • @TomSnyder-gx5ru
      @TomSnyder-gx5ru 9 місяців тому

      I think she'd be better playing the role of someone living large on inherited $ and never working a hard day in their lives - oh wait, she already plays that part!

    • @cmcb09
      @cmcb09 7 місяців тому

      @@TomSnyder-gx5rujealous much?

  • @savedsole3848
    @savedsole3848 8 місяців тому

    Debbie Reynolds is was and always will be Gorgeousness

  • @simplifyhandles
    @simplifyhandles 9 місяців тому

    More of this please

  • @pedrogabriel4127
    @pedrogabriel4127 4 місяці тому

    I think I love her.

  • @shakeemwinn3647
    @shakeemwinn3647 9 місяців тому +3

    She sounds like her mother.

  • @hennyvanveldhuizen5976
    @hennyvanveldhuizen5976 8 місяців тому

    I was at the bookstore where Carrie was signing books the day before she died, I didn’t want to bother her, now regret I didn’t tell her how wonderful she was….

  • @FreshGrey-pm4vw
    @FreshGrey-pm4vw 8 місяців тому

    that voice! sounds like Carrie. missing her deeply.

  • @90sNickfan91
    @90sNickfan91 6 місяців тому

    Billie is the spitting images of her mother and grandmother

  • @Ambimom
    @Ambimom 8 місяців тому

    Your grandma was a great actress, for which she never got credit. I think it's because of all the tabloid crap she endured. For example, a movie she did with Albert Brooks, "Mother" was kind of dumb, but Debbie made the movie worth seeing. On one hand, she played it for pure comedy. "Protective ice" has become a catchword in my family ever since. I almost pissed my pants during that scene, because of Debbie's timing and delivery. I hadn't laughed so hard since Carol Burnett walked onto stage in a curtain rod. But later in the movie when her son finds her writing, she made me cry. Your mom was no slouch either, but you've got quite a legacy to live up to.

  • @BowmanMoran
    @BowmanMoran 8 місяців тому

    I loved The Gazebo. Very funny!

  • @LobsterLover530
    @LobsterLover530 9 місяців тому

    Lovely woman. Good actress.

  • @DivineMizE
    @DivineMizE 8 місяців тому

    What a charming person. Never seen her interviewed. She is so grounded.

  • @robertjackson5645
    @robertjackson5645 9 місяців тому +2

    Very noble, As is right. The ultimate would be, pick up the phone, "It's me Billie..." The rest is not ours. Listen. On we go.

  • @evepolastri5570
    @evepolastri5570 8 місяців тому

    I adore Billie

  • @user-vg2eg7oo5n
    @user-vg2eg7oo5n 5 місяців тому

    The Unsinkable Molly Brown was such a good movie.

  • @ChrisWolff2013
    @ChrisWolff2013 9 місяців тому

    My god is she adorable

  • @keithsmits6203
    @keithsmits6203 4 місяці тому

    What a lovely person, you can see her mother and grandmother in her.

  • @Redlotus425
    @Redlotus425 3 місяці тому

    Billie Lourd should play a battle nun

  • @maryrosekent8223
    @maryrosekent8223 9 місяців тому +2

    Sweetie, please sit-up straight-your old self will be so grateful!

  • @caryburns5509
    @caryburns5509 9 місяців тому

    billie: what can you say about how to mend a broken heart?

    • @caryburns5509
      @caryburns5509 9 місяців тому

      I know this is hard ask because its the love your grandmother felt for your mother

  • @MrScaryLemonHead
    @MrScaryLemonHead 9 місяців тому

    I can’t imagine the pressure placed on you when your family is famous.

  • @user-ns7fv3yk2t
    @user-ns7fv3yk2t 8 місяців тому

    Delightful and captivating lady.

  • @jacklowe3429
    @jacklowe3429 9 місяців тому

    I like Billie Lourde.

  • @mikesilva3868
    @mikesilva3868 9 місяців тому

    Good 😊

  • @hugoboss5895
    @hugoboss5895 8 місяців тому

    No mommy dearest in that family and Carrie loved the nose candy and was clearly still an ok mum.

  • @alexwallar8608
    @alexwallar8608 8 місяців тому

    She looks just like Carrie

  • @joestocking
    @joestocking 3 місяці тому

    Wish she got along with her uncle and aunts

  • @VBN59Z
    @VBN59Z 9 місяців тому

    This must be so sad for her because the only two people that were her family were those other grandmother, and now they’re gone

    • @TomSnyder-gx5ru
      @TomSnyder-gx5ru 9 місяців тому

      Yeah, I'm sure she cries her eyes out living large with mommies/grandmother's inherited $$$! Trust me, she'll be fine! There's a lot of people that lose their loved ones and have deal with it with A LOT less $$$$ than what she raked in!

  • @jamesmanolakis2420
    @jamesmanolakis2420 9 місяців тому

    Wow, so your grandmother was good at playing, make-believe. Fascinating. This is why our culture and society are collapsing before our eyes. Lack of wisdom.