Along with Windelo, I would have compared the Cure 55 to a Schionning or Ocean Renegade catamaran. Cure was previously building Schionning G-Force 1500 and 1800's, so rather than build someone else's design, they created their own. I am eager to see if they really stack up to an HH or a Kinetic, but I expect for the weight and cost, it will be more like a Schionning (light on luxury).
What is it with most cat manufacturers and the lack of luxury touches? You don’t see that in monohulls. It’s the strangest thing. I get the weight, but HH already proves you can do light AND luxurious. Do people who buy monohulls REALLY have COMPLETELY different tastes than anyone who buys a cat? There was a brief period in the early 2000’s when some beautiful cats were built ( Catana 522, 582) but then they went all “RV”ish on us. Any insights?
Thanks for the review of this cool boat. As you are comparing the weight to the HH 52 are you aware that the empty weight of HH boats always includes weight of all ordered accessories, the anchor and full tanks? That might account for the 2000kg difference.
Hi Bandido. Thanks for watching. Lightship displacement is certainly a rather loosely applied term in the industry ( lol). However, it could not include ordered accessories for the published figure since this changes from boat to boat. If HH included full fuel tanks in that figure it would also be detrimental to themselves as no one in the industry, that I am aware of, does that. I’ll double check, but I cannot imagine including full fuel and water in your published lightship number. It would not make marketing sense. Having sail all that, I take all lightship numbers with a grain of salt due to the broad “interpretations” of the term. In the end, my guess is that the CURE is still lighter if one were to hold a strictly controlled and standardized weigh-in. D
@@navalgazingatcampdavid HH includes all standard items in it's lightship weight, so that includes sails, running rigging, anchor chain, anchor, batteries, mattresses, window blinds, Air Conditioning, etc. Fuel and water are not included, but certainly a good point to make: comparing Lightship is difficult and if a boat seems too light, it's probably because it does not include a lot of standard items for the base cost.
Looks like a nice catamaran. The stat that stood out to me is the light ship displacement. Have they finished a boat so this number can be verified? It seems a bit hard to believe and this drives the performance comparisons. It will be interesting to see if they can hit this. Thanks for the detailed video.
It's _very_ hard to believe. I could see that figure in a stripped-out ORC or something from a 100% custom builder with an emphasis on exotic materials, but I don't know at this price point. This video was from a while back so maybe there's more solid data on this now.
Right on Dave, nice work as usual. These are massive boats. Great Circle had to go with at least three on passage, Holly and Stephan are doing the same on their O52 so far. The Windelo 50 intrigues me as a more manageable couples boat. While the basalt finer and eco ethos is impressive it is the front cockpit and owners stateroom that really make me think about it. What is the price of an electric motor compared to a diesel yanmar? It looks like Windelo is charging a lot for basalt fiber and recycled water bottles. I notice also you reported “high quality” polyester resin infused for the basalt composite. I wonder if that is cost savings of if basalt fiber form better in polyester than epoxy or vinyl ester? Anyway, thanks again, these puppies are too big for this couple. Okay too expensive too, even though I only add 20-30% ticking the options boxes on most new builds. Later!
Thanks so much Greg. I have been on the Windelo 54 and that front cockpit took me totally by surprise! You feel so in control and connected with the boat and the water. Your visibility is just outstanding! They are planning a 47, so there may be hope. Otherwise you are doing like me and crossing your fingers for a pre-loved Balance 442 or HH44 to come up at just the right time!
Love the shaft drive. But the steering system better be very robust. Looks like a lot there could go wrong. Seen too many failures on Seawind. I am scared of them. Are Windelo systems a shaft drive? If so both boats are winners for me.
Yes, the Windelo is a shaft drive. Having said that, the modern sail drives are now just as strong and offer some real benefits. Don't get caught up in historical issues that no longer matter. Phil German at Balance has some good thoughts on this topic.
@@navalgazingatcampdavid still can't be taking them out of the water every year for maintenance changing oil and seals...just not practical for me here.
There is a lot to love here, but I guess with the KSP rating of 110 that's why there isn't any comfortable seating at the 4 helm positions. They (Cure) want you on your toes and standing up (if you can) 😥
I have to agree with you great looking boat and if it lives up to the promise a great sailing vessel. BUT sharp corners and edge’s everywhere. AND the beds no one over 40 wants beds like this and on a boat this size WHY ?
Exactly Paul...WWWHHHYYYYYY! Full three side athwartship walkarounds are so do-able. I just don't get the masochism. LOL . If mam ain't happy, papa ain't buying a boat.
She is a pretty boat but it looks like the helms are fixed in their positions. I would not be happy to be at the helm on a stormy or very windy passage. The Cure 55 looks like she is a fast and fun boat to sail however, 90% of a sailor's life is spent at a dock, a mooring or at anchor. If you want to keep Sylvia happy, it is hard to beat the Privilege 580. The owner's cabin is in a class of it's own.
Carbon fiber, basalt fiber-it doesn't matter what fiber; if hit by lightning, the boat will sink. You need an aluminum boat to be lightning-proof. Ask physicists if you don't believe me.
Along with Windelo, I would have compared the Cure 55 to a Schionning or Ocean Renegade catamaran. Cure was previously building Schionning G-Force 1500 and 1800's, so rather than build someone else's design, they created their own. I am eager to see if they really stack up to an HH or a Kinetic, but I expect for the weight and cost, it will be more like a Schionning (light on luxury).
What is it with most cat manufacturers and the lack of luxury touches? You don’t see that in monohulls. It’s the strangest thing. I get the weight, but HH already proves you can do light AND luxurious. Do people who buy monohulls REALLY have COMPLETELY different tastes than anyone who buys a cat? There was a brief period in the early 2000’s when some beautiful cats were built ( Catana 522, 582) but then they went all “RV”ish on us. Any insights?
@@navalgazingatcampdavid It's always about the money! You get what you pay for...
Hi 18:10 Dave are sharing your spreadsheets by any chance. Would love to look at the numbers in detail
Hey Dude. Send me your email address to dave@NavalGazingatCampDavid.com.
Thanks for the review of this cool boat.
As you are comparing the weight to the HH 52 are you aware that the empty weight of HH boats always includes weight of all ordered accessories, the anchor and full tanks?
That might account for the 2000kg difference.
Hi Bandido. Thanks for watching. Lightship displacement is certainly a rather loosely applied term in the industry ( lol). However, it could not include ordered accessories for the published figure since this changes from boat to boat. If HH included full fuel tanks in that figure it would also be detrimental to themselves as no one in the industry, that I am aware of, does that. I’ll double check, but I cannot imagine including full fuel and water in your published lightship number. It would not make marketing sense. Having sail all that, I take all lightship numbers with a grain of salt due to the broad “interpretations” of the term. In the end, my guess is that the CURE is still lighter if one were to hold a strictly controlled and standardized weigh-in. D
@@navalgazingatcampdavid HH includes all standard items in it's lightship weight, so that includes sails, running rigging, anchor chain, anchor, batteries, mattresses, window blinds, Air Conditioning, etc. Fuel and water are not included, but certainly a good point to make: comparing Lightship is difficult and if a boat seems too light, it's probably because it does not include a lot of standard items for the base cost.
Looks like a nice catamaran. The stat that stood out to me is the light ship displacement. Have they finished a boat so this number can be verified? It seems a bit hard to believe and this drives the performance comparisons. It will be interesting to see if they can hit this. Thanks for the detailed video.
My pleasure Joe. Hull #1 is well on its way to completion so we should know for sure soon.
It's _very_ hard to believe. I could see that figure in a stripped-out ORC or something from a 100% custom builder with an emphasis on exotic materials, but I don't know at this price point. This video was from a while back so maybe there's more solid data on this now.
Right on Dave, nice work as usual.
These are massive boats. Great Circle had to go with at least three on passage, Holly and Stephan are doing the same on their O52 so far.
The Windelo 50 intrigues me as a more manageable couples boat.
While the basalt finer and eco ethos is impressive it is the front cockpit and owners stateroom that really make me think about it.
What is the price of an electric motor compared to a diesel yanmar? It looks like Windelo is charging a lot for basalt fiber and recycled water bottles.
I notice also you reported “high quality” polyester resin infused for the basalt composite. I wonder if that is cost savings of if basalt fiber form better in polyester than epoxy or vinyl ester?
Anyway, thanks again, these puppies are too big for this couple. Okay too expensive too, even though I only add 20-30% ticking the options boxes on most new builds. Later!
Thanks so much Greg. I have been on the Windelo 54 and that front cockpit took me totally by surprise! You feel so in control and connected with the boat and the water. Your visibility is just outstanding! They are planning a 47, so there may be hope. Otherwise you are doing like me and crossing your fingers for a pre-loved Balance 442 or HH44 to come up at just the right time!
Have tou thinking more diy custom project?
You really do want to see me divorced don’t you? Lol! D
@@navalgazingatcampdavid actually no. But best if i wrote you short email..if you want?
Windelo, kinetic, soon the new HH 55... for someone who has the money it's a very tough category.
Yup. Ohhhh how I wish I had such tough decisions! LOL!
Love the shaft drive. But the steering system better be very robust. Looks like a lot there could go wrong. Seen too many failures on Seawind. I am scared of them. Are Windelo systems a shaft drive? If so both boats are winners for me.
Yes, the Windelo is a shaft drive. Having said that, the modern sail drives are now just as strong and offer some real benefits. Don't get caught up in historical issues that no longer matter. Phil German at Balance has some good thoughts on this topic.
@@navalgazingatcampdavid still can't be taking them out of the water every year for maintenance changing oil and seals...just not practical for me here.
There is a lot to love here, but I guess with the KSP rating of 110 that's why there isn't any comfortable seating at the 4 helm positions. They (Cure) want you on your toes and standing up (if you can) 😥
Hey Jim...yes but I think Sylvia would be screaming at me to slow down. LOL!
Cure 55 is an amazing boat in my eyes better than HH that only use USD Cure use AUD
It is a lovely boat.
I have to agree with you great looking boat and if it lives up to the promise a great sailing vessel. BUT sharp corners and edge’s everywhere. AND the beds no one over 40 wants beds like this and on a boat this size WHY ?
Exactly Paul...WWWHHHYYYYYY! Full three side athwartship walkarounds are so do-able. I just don't get the masochism. LOL . If mam ain't happy, papa ain't buying a boat.
She is a pretty boat but it looks like the helms are fixed in their positions. I would not be happy to be at the helm on a stormy or very windy passage. The Cure 55 looks like she is a fast and fun boat to sail however, 90% of a sailor's life is spent at a dock, a mooring or at anchor. If you want to keep Sylvia happy, it is hard to beat the Privilege 580. The owner's cabin is in a class of it's own.
Absolutely Noooo doubt that the Privilege 580 would be Sylvia's pick!
Carbon fiber, basalt fiber-it doesn't matter what fiber; if hit by lightning, the boat will sink. You need an aluminum boat to be lightning-proof. Ask physicists if you don't believe me.