10:09 I've met one of these guys before, I didn't know such relative niceness existed in the world. He destroyed my gassing venture in a wormhole when I was still learning how to harvest Gas then payed me 6mil ISK (when I only payed 4mil for the ship and fit) and taught me how to avoid getting caught in a wormhole. Best and worst day in eve.
My favorite scam was offering to use JF to transport noob recruits' stash to 0.0 for a bunch of cash, then just keeping it all. This works best in concert with a recruitment scam that also lets you get their pod using a suicide ganker or via compelling them into lowsec for their execution. I also once ghosted a null miner corp I created after locking down the assets, came back two years later and cashed it in for half a trillion isk. That one was never reported, even though it was probably one of the biggest scams in eve history not casino related, definitely for a single null corp.
hoodaticus Only 500 Billion? That’s why it wasn’t reported. 😝 There were thefts that were well over 1-2 Trillion ISK. Thefts of Titans. Multiple Titans. Half an alliance’s space. Etc. Etc.
Same. I was a noob doing wormhole exploration in my Imicus. I hacked like 3 data towers or whatever worth about 2 mil when this guy killed me. He told me he was watching me for 10 minutes hacking the site, gave me 5 mil and suggested I'd join his corp so I could learn from them. One of the first things you learn in eve is that when you get killed it's almost always your own fault. I saw his probes on dscan but got over zealous and thought I'd be fine. He just sat there cloaked up waiting for me to do the site XD
@@Ernthir I stack the shield gens when i doing my thing there off. as soon I get shot they go on, the guns fire at will on one ship. I'm not going down with out a fight. I had one guy shoot me "give me me everything or die". I size him up and the fight was on. About min in I was beating the crap out him. The chat of him begging me to stop was orgasmic. I did not let the pod get a way. I found him and wreck his shit I was not a happy camper that morning.
@@patrickkeelybugler7922 no no.. Flying safe means you know what you are doing.. Carebears fly risky because they usually dont know how easy it is to lose that barge ;)
@@Crazylom YOu are hilarious man. It is funny coming from pixel tough guys that saying something like "so.. they just blew my little ship" as a comment in chat will get you "sweet tears bla bla", even if you are fucking drunk and laughting your ass off while your ship explodes... this is eve's "tough players" in a nutsell.. it is pretty hilarious.The reality of this game is that is full of pathetic 40 year olds that act like they were 12 and feel important when they blow up a ship that costs 10 million while investing hundreds of dollars to make sure they can win 100% of the time. Come on, you guys cant be serious.
Okay, either you fought _really_ fucking well (as far as they were concerned) or they just thought you were fucking insane bringing an Algos to bear on them...
@@GerdLPluu I got in a few dust ups as a newb like this. Always chatted with them after. A few were really standoffish. Most were super friendly and would offer advice and ways to fly smarter. Many would refund a frig/destroyer loss. Lately I've been dealing with a set of gate camping griefers. They don't want to chat... they just want tears.
@@GerdLPluu Oh 100%. 9/10 times I waltz right through the camp before anyone even does anything. Last night some really good campers actually showed up. With BIG guns. lol. Caught me very much off guard. That's Eve for ya. Nothing quite like it. Hell, I took a WH out to a -.2 system and was gas huffing. Someone else there started chatting with me. Turns out she was supposed to be on patrol but her bubbler never showed up and she was lazy so we just chatted while i huffed and then I went home. lol.
Truly only God is good. I'm rarely impressed by the skill it takes someone to be selfish. Because it doesn't take any. It rather natural, really. And how much of it is actual planning rather than egotistical opportunism. They didn't actually plan to betray you, but they also didn't realize what scum they really were until the opportunity presented itself. Then the "victory" gets to their head and they convince themselves, "of course I planned this, because I am awesome." If there is one thing this game should teach people, is that we are NOT "basically good."
I was once chased by a gang of gankers through two low sec systems, I was lucky that day and just managed to get to a jump gate into hi sec, which is just as well as the salvaged cargo I was hauling was worth three times what my ship was worth.
The biggest problem this game has with retention has very little to do with the player base and a lot to do with learning the methods for proper communication. It's culture shock essentially, things the EVE community naturally does that seem alien to new arrivals. People are used to real life and other MMOs where things like scamming, extortion, assault, grand larceny, betrayal, murder and outright warfare are either outlawed or severely curtailed. In EVE they can not only be done for any reason but also for no reason. Did you really expect hell to be like the suburbs? When you run into players in space or have an encounter in local chat you'll often find them obnoxious, defensive dickheads. What you have to understand is that they are like that because at a glance they can't identify a new player from an alt and so they haven't finished assessing the threat you pose to them. That response is shorthand for other EVE vets that says "I'm not giving you anything if you approach the conversation in this way." Try contacting other players through in game mail, private convo or by joining public channels or public fleets and you'll find the reception you get changes completely. I've handed 20 fitted atrons free to noobs in public fleets so they could tackle for the fleet and learn to play with them, ask me for that in local and I'll call you a peasant.
Its true. It just takes a little longer to assess people and for each party to decide it is beneficial to have relations. When you do find some help it can create a genuine freindship, when people are tight they can help defend each other.
The players in EVE the old players they dont give a shit for the new players, in chats many new players start to make a conservation for to learn the game and all the salty community of old players in EVE just make them fun, and put them bounty. Second the EVE is dead game now, have 30k online players 10k main accounts 15k alt account, so actually not so much players anymore, i was new player in EVE and the only help i got is Bounty for nothing, bullying from corporations and solo players, campers pirates to wait in cloack in gate. That isnt game for grow up mans that game and community is worst that 5 years old kids. So all old players stay there with your alts characters, because all new players we prefer to spend our time to games to worth and to communitys when you can have one small conservation and help not from dickheads like EVE players.
A bounty and losing a new player's ship is nothing, bounties don't allow anyone to break the rules to kill your ships. They do it to see if it bothers you because if that bothers you then you will not be able to handle being part of anything substantial in this game, which makes you a poor recruit. Losing a dreadnought is vastly worse than having a meaningless bounty placed on you and a frigate destroyed. They need to know if you can handle the adversity this game will throw at you. Like I said in the first post, they are assessing you in general and your mindset in particular with that bounty and killing your frigate or whatever it was. You took it personally, never take it personally. It's not like soldiers have a personal grudge against those they fight, they destroy the targets they are instructed to. If you had taken it in stride and laughed it off there is a decent chance those pirates might have given you 10 times what your ship was worth and invited you to join them. This is why I say it's culture shock, almost everyone reacts the way you did and most will never get past it.
No isnt cool the bountys, because when you are new player and you have bounty for 3m and you cant mining because they will atack you for the bounty isnt cool, in EVE all old players just bullying the new players, and that isnt a health community. For that the EVE cant recruit new players and now let them for free alpha game and for free to training the skills for Alpha, because the game start die ONLY THE OLD PLAYERS will stay in the gamethe same and same players, because these players they dont give litle room to new players for to learn and take some experience just they attack them like 4 years old kids with bullying in game-. And that is a fact.
If you are in high sec, no, no one will attack you for your bounty. They will lose their ship to CONCORD because bounties don't give anyone the ability to attack you legally. Bounties aren't even an incentive to kill you, your presence is. People attack ANY target that looks ripe for the picking because it's there. New players are not special in any way in this regard other than they tend to lack experience and thus put themselves in more danger than they need to. I've been playing on and off since 2008, people STILL go for me too. The fact you think they are hunting you personally or even new players in general is because you don't understand the game because you weren't able to get past the culture shock. Your mindset is still stuck in civilized mode. Will EVE eventually die, of course it will just like any other MMO. Currently there is still a player ship destroyed by other players, on average, once per 6 seconds. There is still 30k players during the European time zone on an average Wednesday and considerably higher on weekends. It's not going anywhere anytime soon. The EVE is dying meme was alive and well in 2008, it doesn't have it's peak 2010-2011 50k+ numbers anymore but even now it has more than the 25k it did when I started playing.
I first thought this was a troll video but then I realized there are actually players that don't want conflict and just play glorified farmville in space lol
Actually got this on my small stream on twitch. I was in Amarr mining with my venture, a guy from a different Corp attacked me since we were hostile, which I didn’t know. Thanks to someone who was watching I was told to be ready for an attack and had the jump button ready. The viewer and I were in a fleet, he took the guy out, and surprisingly the guy understood I was new and gave me cash and a bunch of ships he didn’t want. So while there are dicks, most are good people who are on the defensive at first. Mainly because people pretend to be new, it happened to me, a guy pretended to be new and almost got me in trouble.
The mutant. Literally head of a massive Corp of greifers. A true sociopath. He even encouraged his player in real life to bully a sucidal player at an EVE convention. In real life in public. This asshole doesn't even play the game itself.
Mittani did that. GigX was a pretty nice guy actually, just not to everyone. Also the common people of eve really drive you mad when you want to run a successfull ally/corp. Drakes in Armor Gangs anyone? Dunno how often i bitched in my fleets, but people need that. I'd join one of those corps over any weak assed one any day, since those are the well organized filled with people who know how to use their ships and how to follow a doctrine
Thank you for not listing bad leaders as the worst players. We bad leaders put a lot of time and energy in attracting people before we're finally able to step on their backs to get where we are.
"Father, how did you become so wise and wealthy?" "From good decisions." "And how do you make good decisions?" "From experience." "And how do you get experience?" "From bad decisions." -Turkish story
I'm just the type who plays alone help where I can for example sometimes il escort miners or haulers for some money but cross me once my bad cross me twice bad on me cross me three times then it's just old fashioned war.
many years ago I used to use in game mechanics to annoy people.. one of my faves and was the jet can/loot thief in high sec. and yes I got many interesting skills. i'd also patrol low sec for miners..
Some people were never taught to stop and think before they act (or they were and it didn't take) and some just want to get ahead without putting in the work, and as long as the second type exists, half will be attempting to scam the first type and the accidentally catching a lot of the second type's less intellectually gifted members in the process
4:50 I'm honored you used an example where I am top damage. 6:20 nice choice in tyrants. Those two certainly qualify. The best rule in eve is to trust no one.
And I am glad that this is a part of EVE, if not for this the game would be mundane and utterly boring to play. It too helps seperate the weak-pussied players from the battle-hardened ones, I am glad such a game exists.
I sometimes negotiate to provoke conflicts between different corporations. I build ships and sell to them to make money, and I loots the battlefield after the conflict... huge Stonks lol
The biggest evil is the high sec mining foreman leader. A guy that focus on new players and tells them how scary null sec and low sec is. His job is to keep new players poor and inexperienced while offering that you use his facilities to reprocess ore and get tax benefits from your ratting at high rates. He offers to buy your ore from well below market prices and basically uses you to make himself wealthy while keeping you poor and afraid
10:09 This was my first interaction with PVP in eve. I was making my way from nullsec to high sec through filaments (Null - Trig Space - High Sec) when I got killed by an malediction in triglavian space, he could tell I was relatively new and generously gave me 10 million after I had died. Once I get myself to omega, this is how I'd like to hunt explorers.
Ask an individual player whether their game morals match their real world morals and the answer skews further toward *no* the more nefarious the in game behavior. I tend to believe that Eve online is a perfect social simulation of what would happen if people were left to their own devices. EDIT: In fact by removing the fear of death or imprisonment while retaining the risk of capital loss, one might even argue that EVE society represents a more accurate portrayal of true moral character than real world society.
@@laststand6420 That squares with the Judeo-Christian concept of Original Sin: "My explanation of what Total Depravity means is this: If sin were blue, we'd be blue all over." -Dr. Charles 'Chuck' Swindoll
@@HuntingTarg I don't think that view is quite right, we are made in God's image... Typically that is not totally perverted. It's just that we all have at least some blue on us. And most everyone has quite a bit. It is interesting to note that in Genesis Man did reach a state of total depravity(except Noah). It says that "Every intention of mankind's hearts was only evil continually." Evidently this was a milestone at which God decided to destroy them.
I used to run two accounts. One was dedicated PvP, and was -5.0 or below for a long time. I wouldn’t think twice about attacking first when I came across a “bad guy” in low sec. Better to shoot first and win than wait and be ambushed.
10:09 same thing happened to me I accepted a fight got wrecked in like 30 seconds but the other piolit gave me even more money than I needed(Gave about 2.5 mill isk I only needed like 1 mill) and told me how to get better
Had a rando chat me up while farming mats for my builds. Told him I didn't what to talk as I had trust issues. He sent me 1 billion isk and said it was to show trust. All it did was make me trust him less. His toon was 2005 old and had a kill list a mile long. 1 billion is like a dollor to guys that old.
EvE is currently going down more and more. You can see it in the number of players. I know EvE from times when 70,000 players played. But half of them were definitely alts. So 35,000 players. Today EvE only gets 17-18,000 together, around 8,000 players. Not only are there a lot more gankers, but CCP has also made it harder for miners. I like doing PvP and PvE myself. Some PvElers who have been deep in the business have quit because they can no longer afford to run multiple accounts. But because they need multiple accounts, they are no longer able to achieve anything. It's a shame what the game has mutated into. I lived in WH for years, and 2 years in Low/NullSec. I myself have mined gas where no mining barge existed for it. A Rokh with 8 Gas Miners did it. Why am I telling this? The Miners are the backbone of EvE. CCP but also the Gankers are causing so much damage that the day will come when EvE will close the gate. It won't be right away, but I'm afraid it will be soon. 9 of my FL who were mining low/null sec have stopped. 6 more were in WH/Highsec. Also stopped a whole corp in WH. Have all stopped. (32 members in a C5/C6) Give the miners a guarantee of survival in HighSec, and make it worthwhile to miner again. Miners/Industrial players are the best. Screw the gankers.
I won't link to it, but watch "The Death of Eve Online", running time ~17 minutes. Synopsis; the acquisition of CCP Games by Pearl Abyss combined with the departure of CCP Seagull, has led to Eve being turned into a mutated cross of a persistent sandbox MMO with a P2anything enless gaming moneysiphon. It's much uglier than if CCP had never made any major changes and eventually 'collapsed the cluster' due to financial arrears. The purchasing options for the game I find truly disgusting. PLEX is now 500 for 1 month of play. That alone has borked the internal economy. But when 1 month Omega is $20 USD but 500 PLEX is $25 USD?!? How is that _NOT_ a cash grab? As my Calculus teacher used to say to a student answering a problem; "Convince me."
Coming from Darkfall, I'm glad I started this game now that darkfall failed. It's so similar in so many ways culturally. Except EVE is so much more complex but lacks in playerskill compared to DF. Overall very good choice for PVP!
You're probably one of the few that can say that Eve lacks playerskill. I've seen a few Eve combat tutorials and beyond gankers, griefers, and simple con artists and scammers, there is a LOT of skill required to consistently win at PvP .
I have been on and off eve for years never have joined a Corp and seems like starting one and taking a foot hold seems almost impossible... ahhhhhh just keep up the great videos. PREY on the strong, Feast on the weak!!
One of the moto's in EvE is "No risk no reward". That's why EvE is a unique game. I love it, whenever i get ganked it means it was my fault (i didn't scan or smth like that). If i get killed i smile and type GF and move on. Losing your ship is part of EvE, don't get attached to it and always have money for another one. It's a great game with wonderful people, but it's also free for all and you have to understand that. EvE won't and it shouldn't change, it's a unique game that survived 10+ years because of this. Adapt and survive, or just don't. Your choice :)
I guess I should be classed close to bitter vet by now. I've done everything on your list. The one that stands out the most for me is Pirate albeit moreso in null/wormhole spaces. Alas, many game mechanic changes over the last few years have forced me to play in ways I find less enjoyable. The mechanics as they were is what I loved. RIP cynos attached to any ship*
i love this game. took me years to find something with no kiddies playing. they come, they die, they cry and then leave. taste like virgin tearz. even buying a toon at ebay/ingame wont help em. god, i love it.
Griefers also can't survive in low or null sec... that's why they live in high sec. The only other one I agree with is corp thief. The rest are leaders you should be smart enough not to follow or betrayer can be found long before they can betray 99% of the time.
"its only a game" is "its only a game" aslong as you, the one who said it ISNT getting the short end of the stick. after that it will become a saltmine.
If you start to believe that this is not a game anymore because you are "getting the sort end of the stick", that's just mean your parents failed somewhere in your education, since they are also supposed to tell you that sometimes, you might loose.
You've changed your mind because you've seen videos saying that in a game mainly focused around PvP there are aggressive players? Man you better stick to candy crush or you'll have to change your mind quite often about any PvP game I'm afraid
@@dannyfisher5086 Oh no you won't, if you are already so butthurted by an internet comment that wasn't even aggressive in the first place, you are gonna have a hard time enjoying your life. "People like me"? You mean "People that warn you about the nature of a PvP game in a youtube comment"? LMAO yeah such a devil I am. Oh kid you're gonna have to face so much worse when you grow up.
@@alexanderredhorse1297 And yet, if it wasn't for Internet, you would most likely not give me such an "advice" face to face yourself. It goes both ways ;)
nice video to showcase the less than savory behaviour players can display in eve. only issue is this video seems to villify PvP. Low Sec piracy is not evil behaviour, it is casual PvP. the majority of people caught and killed in Low Sec PvP flew into it looking for a fight. the rest went into low Sec with no understanding of the danger or we're not paying attention. bad leaders is confusing incompetence with evil. the ones who fall in this catagory do not understand what being a leader requires and lacks the experience to understand what an impossible fight looks like or the basics of information gathering/ control. a very basic necessity of Corp success. really it boils down to scammers, griefers, Corp thieves and spies, tyrants and AFK Cloakers.
Lol wish i had seen this yesterday...you point right at Tama while talking about gate campers...which i just got killed by in that exact spot lol good times fly safe my friends
When I’m playing board games, I’m absolutely ruthless and manipulative, but it’s all fun and game. This is obviously on a different scale and there is a different investment. But the mentality you have on the board game should try to be applied to this as well. It’s all in good fun.
I was a royal cunt during my last 3-4 years in Eve. Myself with a few others created the method for which a faction warfare player can sit in enemy highsec space without harassment from the Faction Navy. So many people think they are safe in highsec while in Faction Warfare. We had some awesome fights when the opposing militia would band together and bring a fleet.
Emptied and backstabbed a pirate corp. Then got paid to investigate the higher-ups in another corp I was in for scamming, then provided them with evidence.. all back in 2003 :P
I wanted to join a corp. Asked a guy in the corp. He gave me 300,000,000 ISK. Told me to spend however I want but show him a solo kill and he'll add me. I still have to get a solo kill after 2 years. I have got group kills though.
I dont know in how many wars I fought with Goonswarm already ruffly say 14 smaller and Bigger wars. The last took 4 years and in the Process Test Alliance got exterminated.
I got scamed. But in my case I betryed him back with the help of a german Corp that knew him that also were a member in Goosnwarm. They helped me get my stuff back and let him dead in space. Infact we crushed there Alliance and looted them until nothing was left. that was 2018.
i had a griefer/merc come after my corp before, camp them in there station on the first 1 hr of the war :P. while quoting what is good from conan the barbarian lol
Always insure your ships and also don't fly what you risk to lose either I know it's tempting when you get your first BC or Bs but make sure your skills are fully better then a level 1 they say to me 4 or 5 fully skilled and use t1 or best t2 if you can depending on if you are an alpha or omega. Player
Former corp thief/and backstabber here 07 *Though i see myself more as a spy* Spent a year weaseling my way into a neighbouring corp and working my way up the ladder, when CEO went on vacation and trustingly left shit to me i robbed their corp blind, terminated their sov and shut them down, all for the betterment of my group.
I remember when I was still in the caladari npc Corp, some idiot name Aiko Danuja claimed they were the best player in eve, ganked me, and told me that the npc Corp was a terrorist corp
I saw a guy pulling like a Indian scam center level scam in one of the systems I was flying by. He put out sell orders real cheap on ships but when you look into it it says you will receive the small amount of isk. It probably doesn't work but jeez man
This is a little tip for new players that want and like mine in HS in peace :), you need to mine with a procurer or skiff (even with greedy fits with modules for defense only in mid slots you will be safe) the suicide gankers can suck the d*ck. I got form mining this way in HS over 10 bil isk under CODE nose without paying any "mining permits" ( for new player the mining permits are a big lie ).
In other words Eve Online is for sewer rats who have never had a job live in mommy and daddy’s basement and play the game to see what it feels like if they had a job, and go around ruining other people’s day griefing and trash talking in chat because after all that is what sewer rats do. Played Eve for years thousands of hours logged in and yes I worked all my life so I can do what I want and even have a family and a home. Eve is one of the most immersive games I have ever played and there are some great people in the game. But there are also some of the most toxic elitist sewer rats infested in this game by far worse than any other game I have played. Good video showing you these different kinds of toxic elitist sewer rats. They got to be a peach in real life to act like this in a GAME.
No they don't. And you have to be particurally stupid to believe you are qualified to understand anything about the real life of someone because of what he do in a GAME. Particurally because IT IS A GAME which mean people are free to act absolutely differently to how they would behave in real life without actual consequences. If you do believe that your actions in a game define who you are in real life, you are the one who have a problem. Not to mention that most of the time people like you are judging other players based on a single interaction that lasted just a few minutes, like "oMg YoU kIlLeD mE iN aN uNfAiR fIgHt", and actually know almost nothing about how the guy even is in the game since you saw only one action. Basically you are not even qualified to give an actual judgement about their gameplay, which make you soooo far away to being qualified to judge their real life. LMAO you don't even have the basic information of "Where are they from?" which already should change your conclusion a lot because EVE is an internationnal game and nationnal culture change so much thing for most people. Whatever, I've already talked way too much to someone who probably won't even try to understand what I'm saying and answer me that "i MuSt HaVe A bAd ReAl LiFe ToO".
10:09 I've met one of these guys before, I didn't know such relative niceness existed in the world. He destroyed my gassing venture in a wormhole when I was still learning how to harvest Gas then payed me 6mil ISK (when I only payed 4mil for the ship and fit) and taught me how to avoid getting caught in a wormhole. Best and worst day in eve.
My favorite scam was offering to use JF to transport noob recruits' stash to 0.0 for a bunch of cash, then just keeping it all. This works best in concert with a recruitment scam that also lets you get their pod using a suicide ganker or via compelling them into lowsec for their execution.
I also once ghosted a null miner corp I created after locking down the assets, came back two years later and cashed it in for half a trillion isk. That one was never reported, even though it was probably one of the biggest scams in eve history not casino related, definitely for a single null corp.
hoodaticus
Only 500 Billion?
That’s why it wasn’t reported. 😝
There were thefts that were well over 1-2 Trillion ISK. Thefts of Titans. Multiple Titans. Half an alliance’s space. Etc. Etc.
Same. I was a noob doing wormhole exploration in my Imicus. I hacked like 3 data towers or whatever worth about 2 mil when this guy killed me. He told me he was watching me for 10 minutes hacking the site, gave me 5 mil and suggested I'd join his corp so I could learn from them. One of the first things you learn in eve is that when you get killed it's almost always your own fault. I saw his probes on dscan but got over zealous and thought I'd be fine. He just sat there cloaked up waiting for me to do the site XD
@@Ernthir I stack the shield gens when i doing my thing there off. as soon I get shot they go on, the guns fire at will on one ship. I'm not going down with out a fight. I had one guy shoot me "give me me everything or die". I size him up and the fight was on. About min in I was beating the crap out him. The chat of him begging me to stop was orgasmic. I did not let the pod get a way. I found him and wreck his shit I was not a happy camper that morning.
Our wormhole corp has an informal policy to support newbies we kill with isk and friendly advive
Fly safe...failing that, fly it like you stole it
fly risky because flying safe is for carebears o7
@@patrickkeelybugler7922 no no.. Flying safe means you know what you are doing.. Carebears fly risky because they usually dont know how easy it is to lose that barge ;)
@@Malkuth-Gamingcalculated risks are usually also safe bets, it's just when stuff happens that imbalances the calculations :P
Yes, now that’s what I’m talking about
"Fly it like you ply it"? Question mark?
"They live to drink your tears"
Not their fault it's so *delicious*
so you'r one
@@Crazylom YOu are hilarious man. It is funny coming from pixel tough guys that saying something like "so.. they just blew my little ship" as a comment in chat will get you "sweet tears bla bla", even if you are fucking drunk and laughting your ass off while your ship explodes... this is eve's "tough players" in a nutsell.. it is pretty hilarious.The reality of this game is that is full of pathetic 40 year olds that act like they were 12 and feel important when they blow up a ship that costs 10 million while investing hundreds of dollars to make sure they can win 100% of the time. Come on, you guys cant be serious.
@@Trikipum Your comment is like 67% honest point of view, while the rest 33% tells me you are sarcastically making fun of me
@@Crazylom It is a mistery man.
About the aggressive fight hunters:
They are nice. Twice they destroyed my 1.8 mil. ISK Algos, and both times thay gave me 3 mil in return.
Okay, either you fought _really_ fucking well (as far as they were concerned) or they just thought you were fucking insane bringing an Algos to bear on them...
@@seand.g423 probs just insurance lmfao
@@GerdLPluu I got in a few dust ups as a newb like this. Always chatted with them after. A few were really standoffish. Most were super friendly and would offer advice and ways to fly smarter. Many would refund a frig/destroyer loss. Lately I've been dealing with a set of gate camping griefers. They don't want to chat... they just want tears.
@@GerdLPluu Oh 100%. 9/10 times I waltz right through the camp before anyone even does anything. Last night some really good campers actually showed up. With BIG guns. lol. Caught me very much off guard. That's Eve for ya. Nothing quite like it. Hell, I took a WH out to a -.2 system and was gas huffing. Someone else there started chatting with me. Turns out she was supposed to be on patrol but her bubbler never showed up and she was lazy so we just chatted while i huffed and then I went home. lol.
had a mate go mining and he yelled out he was gonna get ganked and we dropped in and ganked the gankers
This video is like i am hearing my gaming autobiography
Betraying is something I expect and I'm often impressed by the betrayer's cunning and skill. Griefing however is something I've hated for years!
Truly only God is good. I'm rarely impressed by the skill it takes someone to be selfish. Because it doesn't take any. It rather natural, really. And how much of it is actual planning rather than egotistical opportunism. They didn't actually plan to betray you, but they also didn't realize what scum they really were until the opportunity presented itself. Then the "victory" gets to their head and they convince themselves, "of course I planned this, because I am awesome."
If there is one thing this game should teach people, is that we are NOT "basically good."
Michio Kaku is a corp thief.
I always knew.
I was once chased by a gang of gankers through two low sec systems, I was lucky that day and just managed to get to a jump gate into hi sec, which is just as well as the salvaged cargo I was hauling was worth three times what my ship was worth.
Good stuff!!!
The biggest problem this game has with retention has very little to do with the player base and a lot to do with learning the methods for proper communication. It's culture shock essentially, things the EVE community naturally does that seem alien to new arrivals. People are used to real life and other MMOs where things like scamming, extortion, assault, grand larceny, betrayal, murder and outright warfare are either outlawed or severely curtailed. In EVE they can not only be done for any reason but also for no reason. Did you really expect hell to be like the suburbs?
When you run into players in space or have an encounter in local chat you'll often find them obnoxious, defensive dickheads. What you have to understand is that they are like that because at a glance they can't identify a new player from an alt and so they haven't finished assessing the threat you pose to them. That response is shorthand for other EVE vets that says "I'm not giving you anything if you approach the conversation in this way." Try contacting other players through in game mail, private convo or by joining public channels or public fleets and you'll find the reception you get changes completely. I've handed 20 fitted atrons free to noobs in public fleets so they could tackle for the fleet and learn to play with them, ask me for that in local and I'll call you a peasant.
Its true. It just takes a little longer to assess people and for each party to decide it is beneficial to have relations. When you do find some help it can create a genuine freindship, when people are tight they can help defend each other.
The players in EVE the old players they dont give a shit for the new players, in chats many new players start to make a conservation for to learn the game and all the salty community of old players in EVE just make them fun, and put them bounty. Second the EVE is dead game now, have 30k online players 10k main accounts 15k alt account, so actually not so much players anymore, i was new player in EVE and the only help i got is Bounty for nothing, bullying from corporations and solo players, campers pirates to wait in cloack in gate. That isnt game for grow up mans that game and community is worst that 5 years old kids. So all old players stay there with your alts characters, because all new players we prefer to spend our time to games to worth and to communitys when you can have one small conservation and help not from dickheads like EVE players.
A bounty and losing a new player's ship is nothing, bounties don't allow anyone to break the rules to kill your ships. They do it to see if it bothers you because if that bothers you then you will not be able to handle being part of anything substantial in this game, which makes you a poor recruit. Losing a dreadnought is vastly worse than having a meaningless bounty placed on you and a frigate destroyed. They need to know if you can handle the adversity this game will throw at you.
Like I said in the first post, they are assessing you in general and your mindset in particular with that bounty and killing your frigate or whatever it was. You took it personally, never take it personally. It's not like soldiers have a personal grudge against those they fight, they destroy the targets they are instructed to. If you had taken it in stride and laughed it off there is a decent chance those pirates might have given you 10 times what your ship was worth and invited you to join them. This is why I say it's culture shock, almost everyone reacts the way you did and most will never get past it.
No isnt cool the bountys, because when you are new player and you have bounty for 3m and you cant mining because they will atack you for the bounty isnt cool, in EVE all old players just bullying the new players, and that isnt a health community. For that the EVE cant recruit new players and now let them for free alpha game and for free to training the skills for Alpha, because the game start die ONLY THE OLD PLAYERS will stay in the gamethe same and same players, because these players they dont give litle room to new players for to learn and take some experience just they attack them like 4 years old kids with bullying in game-. And that is a fact.
If you are in high sec, no, no one will attack you for your bounty. They will lose their ship to CONCORD because bounties don't give anyone the ability to attack you legally. Bounties aren't even an incentive to kill you, your presence is. People attack ANY target that looks ripe for the picking because it's there. New players are not special in any way in this regard other than they tend to lack experience and thus put themselves in more danger than they need to. I've been playing on and off since 2008, people STILL go for me too. The fact you think they are hunting you personally or even new players in general is because you don't understand the game because you weren't able to get past the culture shock. Your mindset is still stuck in civilized mode.
Will EVE eventually die, of course it will just like any other MMO. Currently there is still a player ship destroyed by other players, on average, once per 6 seconds. There is still 30k players during the European time zone on an average Wednesday and considerably higher on weekends. It's not going anywhere anytime soon. The EVE is dying meme was alive and well in 2008, it doesn't have it's peak 2010-2011 50k+ numbers anymore but even now it has more than the 25k it did when I started playing.
Space ships are serious business.
Concord will not save you, they will avenge you :)
also you appect pvp may happen when you click the undock botton
Err revise that. Hitting the undock button = full and unconditional concent to any pvp activity wanted, justified, unwarranted, or any form thereof.
"Appect"? You meant, 'accept'. You accept that the spelling pvper will correct your bad spelling when you click the reply button.
Concord saved me in low sec. Undocked and some doofus sharted shooting at my well tanked ship. Before I could shoot back sentry gun nailed him.
I first thought this was a troll video but then I realized there are actually players that don't want conflict and just play glorified farmville in space lol
i am one of those people, lol
Nothing wrong with glorified farmville in space! :)
Also miners.
Eve online is nothing like FarmVille.
A trader never stands to gain from wars
Actually got this on my small stream on twitch. I was in Amarr mining with my venture, a guy from a different Corp attacked me since we were hostile, which I didn’t know. Thanks to someone who was watching I was told to be ready for an attack and had the jump button ready. The viewer and I were in a fleet, he took the guy out, and surprisingly the guy understood I was new and gave me cash and a bunch of ships he didn’t want.
So while there are dicks, most are good people who are on the defensive at first. Mainly because people pretend to be new, it happened to me, a guy pretended to be new and almost got me in trouble.
"The Tyrant" > portrait of gigx
The mutant. Literally head of a massive Corp of greifers. A true sociopath. He even encouraged his player in real life to bully a sucidal player at an EVE convention. In real life in public. This asshole doesn't even play the game itself.
Mittani did that. GigX was a pretty nice guy actually, just not to everyone.
Also the common people of eve really drive you mad when you want to run a successfull ally/corp. Drakes in Armor Gangs anyone? Dunno how often i bitched in my fleets, but people need that.
I'd join one of those corps over any weak assed one any day, since those are the well organized filled with people who know how to use their ships and how to follow a doctrine
Teaching the avg eve player how to fly well in a gang with a doctrine is a big challenge on many levels.
#freegigX
Heh; I thought having SirMolle there was more apt.
Lol. Trust no one. Ever. That’s what EVE teaches you.
true ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Except Chribba. Trust Chribba.
Bait!
Really good PSA. Well presented and earnest while still explaining what the person needs to know while not trying to scare them.
Thanks for all the information. As a new player (less than one week) I'm always looking for good sources.
My ex wife has never played EVE, but do believe she is the case study for all of these Eve player types.
Thank you for not listing bad leaders as the worst players. We bad leaders put a lot of time and energy in attracting people before we're finally able to step on their backs to get where we are.
"Father, how did you become so wise and wealthy?"
"From good decisions."
"And how do you make good decisions?"
"From experience."
"And how do you get experience?"
"From bad decisions."
-Turkish story
"The Tyrant"
...Subtle.... very subtle
Oh man i cracked up when i saw CO2 :) RIP Gigx
I'm just the type who plays alone help where I can for example sometimes il escort miners or haulers for some money but cross me once my bad cross me twice bad on me cross me three times then it's just old fashioned war.
many years ago I used to use in game mechanics to annoy people.. one of my faves and was the jet can/loot thief in high sec. and yes I got many interesting skills. i'd also patrol low sec for miners..
It always makes me sad to remember that somehow, after 16 years, EVE scams still work.
Some people were never taught to stop and think before they act (or they were and it didn't take) and some just want to get ahead without putting in the work, and as long as the second type exists, half will be attempting to scam the first type and the accidentally catching a lot of the second type's less intellectually gifted members in the process
4:50 I'm honored you used an example where I am top damage. 6:20 nice choice in tyrants. Those two certainly qualify. The best rule in eve is to trust no one.
And I am glad that this is a part of EVE, if not for this the game would be mundane and utterly boring to play.
It too helps seperate the weak-pussied players from the battle-hardened ones, I am glad such a game exists.
“It is only a game, right?”
Ok, now I worry.
Now I know why I always get cloked automatically when I arrived at another star system
I sometimes negotiate to provoke conflicts between different corporations. I build ships and sell to them to make money, and I loots the battlefield after the conflict... huge Stonks lol
look in a mirror and repeat the following - "I love to toot my own horn..."
The biggest evil is the high sec mining foreman leader. A guy that focus on new players and tells them how scary null sec and low sec is. His job is to keep new players poor and inexperienced while offering that you use his facilities to reprocess ore and get tax benefits from your ratting at high rates. He offers to buy your ore from well below market prices and basically uses you to make himself wealthy while keeping you poor and afraid
10:09
This was my first interaction with PVP in eve. I was making my way from nullsec to high sec through filaments (Null - Trig Space - High Sec) when I got killed by an malediction in triglavian space, he could tell I was relatively new and generously gave me 10 million after I had died.
Once I get myself to omega, this is how I'd like to hunt explorers.
I've always called the griefer a troll since I normally play fantasy RPGs. The saying goes, Don't feed the troll.
Some trolls are tastier than their preys
Ask an individual player whether their game morals match their real world morals and the answer skews further toward *no* the more nefarious the in game behavior.
I tend to believe that Eve online is a perfect social simulation of what would happen if people were left to their own devices.
EDIT: In fact by removing the fear of death or imprisonment while retaining the risk of capital loss, one might even argue that EVE society represents a more accurate portrayal of true moral character than real world society.
I think you are correct, people are bad... They just hide it well to stay out of trouble.
One comment I read described Eve as 'a mass simulation of _Lord of the Flies._
@@laststand6420 That squares with the Judeo-Christian concept of Original Sin:
"My explanation of what Total Depravity means is this: If sin were blue, we'd be blue all over."
-Dr. Charles 'Chuck' Swindoll
@@HuntingTarg I don't think that view is quite right, we are made in God's image... Typically that is not totally perverted. It's just that we all have at least some blue on us. And most everyone has quite a bit.
It is interesting to note that in Genesis Man did reach a state of total depravity(except Noah). It says that "Every intention of mankind's hearts was only evil continually." Evidently this was a milestone at which God decided to destroy them.
I used to run two accounts. One was dedicated PvP, and was -5.0 or below for a long time. I wouldn’t think twice about attacking first when I came across a “bad guy” in low sec. Better to shoot first and win than wait and be ambushed.
10:09 same thing happened to me I accepted a fight got wrecked in like 30 seconds but the other piolit gave me even more money than I needed(Gave about 2.5 mill isk I only needed like 1 mill) and told me how to get better
Had a rando chat me up while farming mats for my builds. Told him I didn't what to talk as I had trust issues. He sent me 1 billion isk and said it was to show trust. All it did was make me trust him less. His toon was 2005 old and had a kill list a mile long. 1 billion is like a dollor to guys that old.
Send me some
Trust is not for sale. Trust is earned.
Love the fact he said he wont mention any names but clearly depicts gigX and CO2.
EvE is currently going down more and more. You can see it in the number of players. I know EvE from times when 70,000 players played. But half of them were definitely alts. So 35,000 players. Today EvE only gets 17-18,000 together, around 8,000 players. Not only are there a lot more gankers, but CCP has also made it harder for miners. I like doing PvP and PvE myself. Some PvElers who have been deep in the business have quit because they can no longer afford to run multiple accounts. But because they need multiple accounts, they are no longer able to achieve anything. It's a shame what the game has mutated into.
I lived in WH for years, and 2 years in Low/NullSec. I myself have mined gas where no mining barge existed for it. A Rokh with 8 Gas Miners did it. Why am I telling this? The Miners are the backbone of EvE. CCP but also the Gankers are causing so much damage that the day will come when EvE will close the gate. It won't be right away, but I'm afraid it will be soon. 9 of my FL who were mining low/null sec have stopped. 6 more were in WH/Highsec. Also stopped a whole corp in WH. Have all stopped. (32 members in a C5/C6)
Give the miners a guarantee of survival in HighSec, and make it worthwhile to miner again. Miners/Industrial players are the best. Screw the gankers.
I won't link to it, but watch "The Death of Eve Online", running time ~17 minutes.
Synopsis; the acquisition of CCP Games by Pearl Abyss combined with the departure of CCP Seagull, has led to Eve being turned into a mutated cross of a persistent sandbox MMO with a P2anything enless gaming moneysiphon. It's much uglier than if CCP had never made any major changes and eventually 'collapsed the cluster' due to financial arrears.
The purchasing options for the game I find truly disgusting. PLEX is now 500 for 1 month of play. That alone has borked the internal economy. But when 1 month Omega is $20 USD but 500 PLEX is $25 USD?!? How is that _NOT_ a cash grab?
As my Calculus teacher used to say to a student answering a problem;
"Convince me."
The "retake" montage at the end was hilarious. Also great video!
Coming from Darkfall, I'm glad I started this game now that darkfall failed. It's so similar in so many ways culturally. Except EVE is so much more complex but lacks in playerskill compared to DF. Overall very good choice for PVP!
You're probably one of the few that can say that Eve lacks playerskill. I've seen a few Eve combat tutorials and beyond gankers, griefers, and simple con artists and scammers, there is a LOT of skill required to consistently win at PvP .
I have been on and off eve for years never have joined a Corp and seems like starting one and taking a foot hold seems almost impossible... ahhhhhh just keep up the great videos. PREY on the strong, Feast on the weak!!
One of the moto's in EvE is "No risk no reward". That's why EvE is a unique game. I love it, whenever i get ganked it means it was my fault (i didn't scan or smth like that). If i get killed i smile and type GF and move on. Losing your ship is part of EvE, don't get attached to it and always have money for another one. It's a great game with wonderful people, but it's also free for all and you have to understand that. EvE won't and it shouldn't change, it's a unique game that survived 10+ years because of this.
Adapt and survive, or just don't. Your choice :)
I guess I should be classed close to bitter vet by now. I've done everything on your list. The one that stands out the most for me is Pirate albeit moreso in null/wormhole spaces. Alas, many game mechanic changes over the last few years have forced me to play in ways I find less enjoyable. The mechanics as they were is what I loved. RIP cynos attached to any ship*
i love this game. took me years to find something with no kiddies playing. they come, they die, they cry and then leave. taste like virgin tearz.
even buying a toon at ebay/ingame wont help em. god, i love it.
i used to fly around space collecting all the dead bodies, the explode haulier in the middle of a pvp fight
That's actually what I'll call humorous trolling.
Griefers also can't survive in low or null sec... that's why they live in high sec. The only other one I agree with is corp thief. The rest are leaders you should be smart enough not to follow or betrayer can be found long before they can betray 99% of the time.
"EVEil" LMAO! I clicked for the Widow BTW!
"its only a game" is "its only a game" aslong as you, the one who said it ISNT getting the short end of the stick. after that it will become a saltmine.
If you start to believe that this is not a game anymore because you are "getting the sort end of the stick", that's just mean your parents failed somewhere in your education, since they are also supposed to tell you that sometimes, you might loose.
You forgot the small gang ECM pilot.
Been playing this game for 3 years. Been in Wormholes for 2 years. Every time I clobber a new player "under 3 months" I'll toss them some iskies.
3 years, your still a noob
Oooooooooooof
bjorn1583 3 years is still a youngin compared to me, 2011 start and even I am still considered a pleb in some people’s eyes
@@verios44 l played for nearly 15 years and probably only was good in half the game, only stopped playing cos bdo was taking up all my time
I have been tempted to play eve over the years then I watch UA-cam videos about it to prepare and change my mind
You've changed your mind because you've seen videos saying that in a game mainly focused around PvP there are aggressive players?
Man you better stick to candy crush or you'll have to change your mind quite often about any PvP game I'm afraid
@@darkduprey4079 if I would meet people like yourself in eve then I have made the right choice enjoy your little game I will enjoy my life
@@dannyfisher5086 Oh no you won't, if you are already so butthurted by an internet comment that wasn't even aggressive in the first place, you are gonna have a hard time enjoying your life.
"People like me"? You mean "People that warn you about the nature of a PvP game in a youtube comment"?
LMAO yeah such a devil I am.
Oh kid you're gonna have to face so much worse when you grow up.
@@darkduprey4079 be careful who you talk to like that, the internet isn't as safe as you think
@@alexanderredhorse1297 And yet, if it wasn't for Internet, you would most likely not give me such an "advice" face to face yourself. It goes both ways ;)
nice video to showcase the less than savory behaviour players can display in eve. only issue is this video seems to villify PvP.
Low Sec piracy is not evil behaviour, it is casual PvP. the majority of people caught and killed in Low Sec PvP flew into it looking for a fight. the rest went into low Sec with no understanding of the danger or we're not paying attention.
bad leaders is confusing incompetence with evil. the ones who fall in this catagory do not understand what being a leader requires and lacks the experience to understand what an impossible fight looks like or the basics of information gathering/ control. a very basic necessity of Corp success.
really it boils down to scammers, griefers, Corp thieves and spies, tyrants and AFK Cloakers.
7:30 is 'betraying' really worse than griefing etc.? circle of two kinda had it coming no?
Your pilot looks the dude who gate camped me for the 1st time
i love that you added the voice bloopers- this is the dark annoying side of editing and commenting over videos XD
"if an offer is too good to be true usually it is" unless someones put a sell order at 800% mark down of jita price at high volume. thats just good.
Lol wish i had seen this yesterday...you point right at Tama while talking about gate campers...which i just got killed by in that exact spot lol good times fly safe my friends
Tama is bad place, don't go there unless you are looking for non-consensual destruction or part of the destroying gangs.
When I’m playing board games, I’m absolutely ruthless and manipulative, but it’s all fun and game. This is obviously on a different scale and there is a different investment. But the mentality you have on the board game should try to be applied to this as well. It’s all in good fun.
A tyrant usually falls by civil war or betrayal. Lol CO2 had both
I was a royal cunt during my last 3-4 years in Eve. Myself with a few others created the method for which a faction warfare player can sit in enemy highsec space without harassment from the Faction Navy. So many people think they are safe in highsec while in Faction Warfare. We had some awesome fights when the opposing militia would band together and bring a fleet.
Emptied and backstabbed a pirate corp. Then got paid to investigate the higher-ups in another corp I was in for scamming, then provided them with evidence.. all back in 2003 :P
I’m about to download it so I sub to him for starter knowledge but I’m quite afraid
X2 me also!
I do more respect to those player who is an aggresive fighter than the other, they are a good warrior
I wanted to join a corp. Asked a guy in the corp. He gave me 300,000,000 ISK. Told me to spend however I want but show him a solo kill and he'll add me. I still have to get a solo kill after 2 years. I have got group kills though.
Mmm, gate camping with a sniper insta-lock Loki xD
I just wanna join a corp like fairy tail guild kind of vibe. is that how it works?
I dont know in how many wars I fought with Goonswarm already ruffly say 14 smaller and Bigger wars. The last took 4 years and in the Process Test Alliance got exterminated.
best advice I ever got "never trust a Goon"
You missed smart bombers in low sec
I am kind of counting on betrayal.... To get my ass up the power ladder.
I got scamed. But in my case I betryed him back with the help of a german Corp that knew him that also were a member in Goosnwarm. They helped me get my stuff back and let him dead in space. Infact we crushed there Alliance and looted them until nothing was left. that was 2018.
You forgot carebears. The most evil creatures in Eve. Farm all day and run away on a bare hint of a fight. Despicable
With all the armed ships out there, you are looking for the people in mining ships? Head for low sec, easy to find fights there :)
RifterBlade if you manage to scram a farmer you mean^^
no, mining ship pilots are not people. They are barely prey
Just have to agree... to disagree :)
funny, i find people like CODE to be more despicable. jacks carebear miners all day,. but run like bitches when the miners backup arrives haha
"they live to drink your tears" 😂😂
i had a griefer/merc come after my corp before, camp them in there station on the first 1 hr of the war :P. while quoting what is good from conan the barbarian lol
rikilamaru no u didn't
i like them audio bloopers at the end lol
Another dangerous type: The Trillionaire - one that can manipulate in-game markets, corporations and even alliances. I satisfy with the first.
Dangerous /= evil . Wealth alone is morally neutral. Yet wealth is also power; and power seeks a purpose.
Always insure your ships and also don't fly what you risk to lose either I know it's tempting when you get your first BC or Bs but make sure your skills are fully better then a level 1 they say to me 4 or 5 fully skilled and use t1 or best t2 if you can depending on if you are an alpha or omega. Player
If only there was a way to RAM your ship into hostiles...
That's such a glaring flaw that players have come to unconsciously overlook it.
ISK is also the Icelandic currency "IS" is for "Iceland" and "K" is for "Krónur"
WH space best space!
“No risk no reward” - Tra’xas Prime ( actual eve player) pin this comment so everyone knows what this game is about
AKA RISK4ISK
first rule. information is the most valuable thing in Eve
Trinity Prime*
YOU NEED THE *RISKIES* FOR THE *ISKIES*
You didn't mention about undocking thefts
Bots are the most evil, quickly followed by carebears.
You have no idea what evil means, obviously. Carebears FTW!
Why is goonswarm not on this list?
mostly because there leader is a good one mostly but as he said hes not picking out names other wise the alliance/corp would be number 1
You say anything about wormholes?
Ah yes good times playing Eve, when your good at deception and deceit. No one sees the corp thief coming. Lol
The whole M.O. of the corp thief is a con job; to be granted and then abuse trust. It's literally antisocial or sociopathic behavior.
When I saw gigx I already started to comment on how unfair your choice is. Then I saw Number 1 and am now satisfied ^^
Former corp thief/and backstabber here 07 *Though i see myself more as a spy*
Spent a year weaseling my way into a neighbouring corp and working my way up the ladder, when CEO went on vacation and trustingly left shit to me i robbed their corp blind, terminated their sov and shut them down, all for the betterment of my group.
I remember when I was still in the caladari npc Corp, some idiot name Aiko Danuja claimed they were the best player in eve, ganked me, and told me that the npc Corp was a terrorist corp
I saw a guy pulling like a Indian scam center level scam in one of the systems I was flying by.
He put out sell orders real cheap on ships but when you look into it it says you will receive the small amount of isk.
It probably doesn't work but jeez man
Sounds like Jita..
LOL Lady Scarlet #2 Fomer BOB renter corp member.. man I still have PTSD
Didn't someone once extole the player base to drive a player to suicide?
This is a little tip for new players that want and like mine in HS in peace :), you need to mine with a procurer or skiff (even with greedy fits with modules for defense only in mid slots you will be safe) the suicide gankers can suck the d*ck. I got form mining this way in HS over 10 bil isk under CODE nose without paying any "mining permits" ( for new player the mining permits are a big lie ).
Maybe real life is my capsule and EVE is the real world....
In other words Eve Online is for sewer rats who have never had a job live in mommy and daddy’s basement and play the game to see what it feels like if they had a job, and go around ruining other people’s day griefing and trash talking in chat because after all that is what sewer rats do. Played Eve for years thousands of hours logged in and yes I worked all my life so I can do what I want and even have a family and a home. Eve is one of the most immersive games I have ever played and there are some great people in the game. But there are also some of the most toxic elitist sewer rats infested in this game by far worse than any other game I have played. Good video showing you these different kinds of toxic elitist sewer rats. They got to be a peach in real life to act like this in a GAME.
No they don't.
And you have to be particurally stupid to believe you are qualified to understand anything about the real life of someone because of what he do in a GAME. Particurally because IT IS A GAME which mean people are free to act absolutely differently to how they would behave in real life without actual consequences.
If you do believe that your actions in a game define who you are in real life, you are the one who have a problem.
Not to mention that most of the time people like you are judging other players based on a single interaction that lasted just a few minutes, like "oMg YoU kIlLeD mE iN aN uNfAiR fIgHt", and actually know almost nothing about how the guy even is in the game since you saw only one action.
Basically you are not even qualified to give an actual judgement about their gameplay, which make you soooo far away to being qualified to judge their real life.
LMAO you don't even have the basic information of "Where are they from?" which already should change your conclusion a lot because EVE is an internationnal game and nationnal culture change so much thing for most people.
Whatever, I've already talked way too much to someone who probably won't even try to understand what I'm saying and answer me that "i MuSt HaVe A bAd ReAl LiFe ToO".
Gatecamps are so easy to avoid, the stupidity of some persons is just unbelievable
you forgot the loss off hands meme
i have met a few of the last catagory. because of it i have often donated 20-50 million to new players
4:50 i thought you said no naming and shaming sir :p
My bad...I hope thats not you. :D I had to grab SOMETHING from z-kill!
Resurrected Starships lol it is and I was just kidding, a kill like that is a trophy for me