1.45 Million Year Old Proof Of Cannibalism

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  • We know that humans have engaged in cannibalism during hard times and certain civilizations had ritualistic reasons for cannibalism but I’ve always wondered if our ancient human ancestors engaged in this practice as well, well now we’ve got the answer we were looking for.
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  • @mudgetheexpendable
    @mudgetheexpendable Рік тому +71

    The most enjoyable part of watching your videos is, to this great-grandfather, the simple pleasure of listening to an intelligent, educated young person sharing interesting discoveries, providing as much context as presently exists, and doing so with a leavening of humor. Thank you for all of that.

    • @davidnorris5675
      @davidnorris5675 Рік тому +3

      Don’t get trapped in the mountains or an island with me…. When I get really, really hangry all civility is lost

    • @Rexodus014
      @Rexodus014 Рік тому +3

      @@davidnorris5675 Wow! Seems that your "will to live" davidnorris5675 . . . definitely supersedes any hint of you having personal ethics or morality in regard to humanness.
      However . . . you are unabashedly honest in your inhuman will to live. The question would still remain . . . just what would the meaning of life really be to you? Ugh...!

    • @davidnorris5675
      @davidnorris5675 Рік тому +6

      @@Rexodus014 it was a joke
      This is the internet
      Don’t believe everything you read

    • @Rexodus014
      @Rexodus014 Рік тому +3

      @@davidnorris5675 Thanks for the reminder, David. Knowing that there has been actual cannibalism by stranded desperate people in modern times... I did mistake your "humor" for real. Good to know that you were only having fun with it. 😄

    • @anthonyproffitt5341
      @anthonyproffitt5341 Рік тому +5

      @@davidnorris5675you look tasty. Did you ring the dinner bell?

  • @nakefatty9167
    @nakefatty9167 Рік тому +12

    Neighbours come in many different flavors.

  • @mariemelansongundy-vx4ox
    @mariemelansongundy-vx4ox Рік тому +6

    Talk about a "cold case" amazing detective work.

  • @craigsurette3438
    @craigsurette3438 Рік тому +9

    Considering that Chimpanzees, our closest genetic relatives that survive are also cannibalistic and or eat their other primate cousins quite regularly, it stands to reason that other hominids would be cannibals often as well.
    Cannibalism is also very well documented and was quite prevalent among very human Neanderthal populations

  • @Jayjay-qe6um
    @Jayjay-qe6um Рік тому +5

    Boris is once again the star of the video.

  • @Aswaguespack
    @Aswaguespack Рік тому +18

    Excellence presentation Kayleigh. We should not be shocked by cannibalism in early human species. Very interesting indeed.

  • @elvacoburg1279
    @elvacoburg1279 Рік тому +7

    Great video Kayleigh.
    Are they sure that it was cannibalism, or could it have been a form of excarnation (removing the flesh from a body before burial). As in just because the flesh was removed from the body does not necessarily mean that it was eaten.
    From Wikipedia:
    Distinguishing excarnation from cannibalism
    Archaeologists seeking to study the practice of ritual excarnation in the archaeological record must differentiate between the removal of flesh as a burial practice, and as a precursor to cannibalism. When human bones exhibiting signs of flesh removal are discovered in the fossil record, a variety of criteria can be used to distinguish between the two. One common approach is to compare the tool marks and other cuts on the bones with butchered animal bones from the same site, with the assumption that cannibalized humans would have been prepared like any other meat, whereas excarnated bodies would be prepared differently. Cannibalized bones, in contrast to excarnated bones, may also exhibit tell-tale signs such as human tooth marks, broken long bones (to facilitate marrow extraction), and signs of cooking, such as "pot polishing".

  • @brstahl
    @brstahl Рік тому +4

    They always forget the simple explanation of it was a way of getting rid of the annoying neighbor kid.

  • @davidcreager1945
    @davidcreager1945 Рік тому +17

    Great video Kayleigh ! I don't find it shocking or surprising that our early ancestors engaged in this practice. Some things have been going on since there have been people on earth.

    • @darthghengis
      @darthghengis Рік тому

      Still happens in some societies

    • @ji8044
      @ji8044 Рік тому

      It's not proof of that. There are serial killers today who engage in cannibalism but that says nothing about our society as whole.

  • @PolarCub64
    @PolarCub64 Рік тому +9

    Very interesting. I had a feeling that you would mention cut marks on the bones. The technical use of 3D scanning was most impressive, and yet another reminder that as we keep progressing, new facts emerge remarkably fast.
    Keep up the stellar work! Have a great day ☺

    • @nickaschenbecker9882
      @nickaschenbecker9882 Рік тому +2

      I love that there's a forensic library of known tool marks and bite marks for scientists to use for things like this.

  • @billirwin3558
    @billirwin3558 Рік тому +2

    Cannibalism is probably not unique to any particular life form. As you said, monkeys/apes have been known to do this. And we know humans are capable of ritual cannibalism. So is it such a stretch to say their might have been ritual cannibalism within the human evolutionary line. An unpleasant subject, but a fascinating one none the less.

  • @markdevries1535
    @markdevries1535 Рік тому +2

    Will you do a follow-up of your video on Lee Berger in light of the recently published peer reviews of his work? It seems not all scientists agree with his findings, to put it mildly.

  • @mrmikemrmike
    @mrmikemrmike Рік тому +6

    Please thank Lila for taking time out her busy schedule to pay us a visit 🙏 I think I'll order a pizza. For some reason grilling something today seems a bit off 🤔😁 Thanks Klee 👍

  • @piers995
    @piers995 Рік тому +4

    Fascinating video Kayleigh. I watched a very interesting film about Chimp troops that went to war with each other over territory and a leadership battle. In the end after several years, two of the three troops had been systematically wiped out by the strongest troop, and violent killings and canabalism became par for the course throughout the conflict. Observers took the view that some of the violent behaviour and canabalism seemed to be motivated by a desire to utterly humiliate and completly destroy any opposition and the canabalism served perhaps to dominate and terrorise subordinate chimps to leave enemy troops, and for members of the main troop to tow the line. Fear was being used as a method of control and canabolism was a way of creating terror. Not disimilar, I suppose from how tyrants in human society operate and have operated through the centuries.

  • @tonnywildweasel8138
    @tonnywildweasel8138 Рік тому +8

    Bon Appetit.. I'll stick to steak and French fries tonight.

  • @PNWRocker
    @PNWRocker Рік тому +5

    As always, truely enjoy listening to your presentations.

  • @stevejohnson3357
    @stevejohnson3357 Рік тому +8

    The fact that we have a taboo against cannibalism suggests to me that the thought of it is still in us. That's why it makes us so uncomfortable. Swift's Modest Proposal works on us that way. It is unfortunately easy to hear about starvation and say that's too bad but Swift made the news more visceral.

    • @nickaschenbecker9882
      @nickaschenbecker9882 Рік тому +1

      It's funny you mention Swift's great jape. RTÉ did a documentary on "survivor cannibalism" during the Great Famine back in 2020. First the dogs and cats start disappearing, then the rats, then people. It goes unspoken but everyone knows what's happening. To a sane, composed human being in a nice, warm, dry house and a fridge full of food with no threat of mortality looming outside, it can seem crazy what a human being will do in extremis just to survive.

  • @tarilwright9242
    @tarilwright9242 Рік тому +1

    Received a hilarious ad for beef sticks right after you said who is allowed to be eaten and who is allowed to eat.

  • @truecrimson1
    @truecrimson1 Рік тому +2

    I'm listening to Darwin's Voyage of the Beagle. He talks about a tradition on some islands of the old women being eaten during times of hunger. It was so common that as soon as food was running low the old women would run away.

  • @robertbench4664
    @robertbench4664 Рік тому +3

    Thanks for the video.Please do a follow up in future!

  • @trunahforealthoe24
    @trunahforealthoe24 Рік тому +2

    Lil late,but still always worth the time to watch.

  • @russbetts1467
    @russbetts1467 Рік тому +2

    Hi Kayleigh. As it is now 2023, you should find Good Internet in most of the UK, unless you are at the extremes of the UK. i.e. The far North of Scotland, or the Wilds of Wales and the West Country. Even Cornwall has pretty good Internet connections today, as long as you are in a large town; not so great if you are in a small village out in the stix.

  • @Faelani38
    @Faelani38 Рік тому +6

    It was probably like what chimps do. We are not really that far removed and they did have primitive behavior. It is a behavior that kinda still goes on. Whether it be for survival or ritual. A lot of predators actually do it.

  • @Nggrngr
    @Nggrngr Рік тому +32

    A man’s gotta eat

  • @ericvulgate
    @ericvulgate Рік тому +8

    We have to get used to the idea that all of us are descendants of cannibals.

    • @Zebred2001
      @Zebred2001 Рік тому +7

      I dunno. Let me chew on that.

  • @Sardarkhan69
    @Sardarkhan69 Рік тому +12

    What a fascinating discovery! So many questions! Was it Ritualistic, was it a necessity, was it a tribe of cannibals or the world’s first Hannibal Lector or was it eating a fallen enemy? We will never know. Thankyou for uploading this video!

    • @michaeldoolan7595
      @michaeldoolan7595 Рік тому +1

      Humans are animals. Animals will eat their young in hard times.
      They can't provide for themselves, so they can't provide for their young so they eat their young.
      Bears do it. Wolves do it.
      It's survival.
      Also scoffing another human from another tribe or group is better than eating your own.
      Hunting other humans for food is still happening in New Guinea.
      It's still happening in the Amazon.
      It's meat that's it.

    • @ingloriousbetch4302
      @ingloriousbetch4302 10 місяців тому

      ​@michaeldoolan7595 it still happens here as well. It's just illegal and lands you in prison.

  • @thomasnuedling9167
    @thomasnuedling9167 Рік тому +3

    I look forward to and watch all your videos!😅

  • @rexkars7867
    @rexkars7867 Рік тому +1

    Good report! Thanx for posting

  • @samdegoeij6576
    @samdegoeij6576 Рік тому +6

    Very interesting subject and there are so many examples of of cannibalism in modern by different species including us that I'm entirely not surprised of humans doing it. Also your cat companions make for fun watching the way Lila (I don't how you spell it) follows your hands when you briefly stop petting her and the way Boris demands attention by meowing (a trait specially developped by cats to interact with humanity) is just very relatable. Also, hi from a fellow Dutchie!😅👋🏻

  • @blaircolquhoun7780
    @blaircolquhoun7780 Рік тому +2

    Nice video, Kaylee. Thanks again.

  • @RichardChave-xl9yw
    @RichardChave-xl9yw Рік тому +1

    This is why the domestication of the pig played a pivotal role in the domestication of human beings.

  • @qwertyuiopgarth
    @qwertyuiopgarth Рік тому +4

    At some point an instance of nutritional cannibalism in our 'not quite human' ancestors is going to involve someone noticing that they are experiencing emotional satisfaction because the hominid whom they are eating is someone they didn't like...or that they are feeling thankful that they were able to eat this person because they had always helped out and now that they were dead they were helping one more time....

    • @nickaschenbecker9882
      @nickaschenbecker9882 Рік тому

      Have you ever seen the video of the deer eating a bird? The bird was flying around the deer's head, annoying it. the deer snatched it right out of the air, chewed it up and swallowed it. Damnedest thing you ever did see. What you described immediately made me think of that.

  • @JohnPaul-158
    @JohnPaul-158 Рік тому +3

    Thanks for another great video!

  • @vulpesvulpes5177
    @vulpesvulpes5177 Рік тому +7

    I think that our modern cultures have a taboo on this subject. We know that it was common within the last 200 years in remote tribes. Both for ritual and substance.
    But like the carpenter with a new hammer, everything suddenly looks like a nail. That may be the care with these cut marks. Two possibilities come to mind.
    In my travels in India I came across a rather morbid practice. The dead are stored in carnal houses where they partially decompose. Then the family comes and cuts the flesh from the bones. The flesh is left to decompose and the bones are carefully scrapped clean, dried and stored in a big jar at home. This results in a variety of cuts and scrapes on the bones. And total dis-articulation.
    The combined plains tribes wiped out the 7th Cavalry on the Little Bighorn river in 1876. Once dead the women of the tribe went among the dead troopers stripping items from the bodies and “mutlitating ” the dead. Victorian sensibilities did not dwell upon the details. Modern forensics did. The bodies were literally butchered. Joints were did-articulated. No major bustle group or tendon was uncut. Various body parts were severed and tossed away. The reason for this was the plains Indians view of the afterlife. These warriors and troopers would meet in the afterlife. Any wounds would be carried to the afterlife. The women simply made sure that the troopers spirits would be dysfunctional in that nether meeting by making the remains dysfunctional.
    A similar practice, for different reasons was visited upon wounded or captured Russians by the Afghan women in the 1980’s. And to a small degree upon the British in the 1870’s. And possibly an American or two about 2010. Beware the ladies and their steely knives.
    My point. A couple contemporary examples that will produce the distinctive cut marks. Not every shiny thing you see is a nail. Proceed accordingly.
    Fox out ……suddenly I’m not so interested in this ham sandwich. Think I need a beer.

    • @barrywalser2384
      @barrywalser2384 Рік тому +3

      All interesting points. I was immediately thinking of the natives of New Guinea. There are definitely a variety of reasons for defleshing human bodies.

    • @vulpesvulpes5177
      @vulpesvulpes5177 Рік тому +2

      @@barrywalser2384
      Not to mention shrinking a head or two…..

    • @matthewjohns1758
      @matthewjohns1758 Рік тому +2

      The only thing you seem to be missing in this explanation is that the cut marks for cutting up dinner and those for ritual defleshing are different from each other. This though really needs to be further studied.

    • @vulpesvulpes5177
      @vulpesvulpes5177 Рік тому +2

      @@matthewjohns1758
      Really? Not really. But then I’ve never done either. Nor shall I. But You have a ball. I’m keeping my eye on you!
      Fox out

    • @brianmurphy6480
      @brianmurphy6480 Рік тому

      Despite pigs themselves having (even very recently) seen use as a means to disarticulate and dispose of human remains, I remain a fan. Just think of it as getting ours back on the poor beasties. 🥲

  • @jeanmeira1829
    @jeanmeira1829 Рік тому +3

    It is reasonable that this was true, because It was a survivor question, despite be a horríble behaviour.

    • @matthewjohns1758
      @matthewjohns1758 Рік тому +1

      We look at it as a horrible practice but among modern man eaters it’s not only matter of fact but is a way of showing respect. They believed that the powers and capabilities of the man who became a corpse would be endowed on the people who ate him.

  • @maryashby
    @maryashby Рік тому +7

    The body would just be looked at as food. Some animals eat their own. I know that we would have a hard time with it these days but we eat other animals, birds or fish.

  • @Johnnycrystalblue
    @Johnnycrystalblue 2 місяці тому

    I can remember quite a long time ago. Human Bones were found in the Chaco canyon areas with the same exact same marks as well as coprolites that tested positive for human remains. I can’t recall who published it or the exact location.

  • @martinrayner6466
    @martinrayner6466 Рік тому +2

    Other reasons to remove meat from a human bone include; (1) Using the bone as a tool, not eating the meat. (2) Ceremonial keeping of a relatives bone(s) similar to keeping an urn of ashes, so they don't rot (as badly). (3) Keeping the bones as a memento of enemy etc... Lack of teeth marks, or crushing seems curious. Eating the marrow is done by many other carnivores, and would be expected if it was a simple food source. In my humble opinion their conclusion seems a bit premature, and requires a bit more evidence.

    • @matthewjohns1758
      @matthewjohns1758 Рік тому +1

      That is what she said by suggesting that other collections of hominid should be looked at again as cut marks(or really any mark)wasn’t a priority look out for the original studies(if their even was one).

    • @martinrayner6466
      @martinrayner6466 Рік тому +1

      @@matthewjohns1758 Agreed. We need much more information to make a truly definitive conclusion. Even then - it may have been a rogue individual (anthropology is replete with examples). Also; I wonder if transmittable spongiform encephalopathy existed then? If so, as they most probably had no or very limited medical understanding that would pretty well rule out human consumption as a normal activity. Those afflicted by this in more recent times had no idea what was happening to them, and their village suffered greatly because of it.

  • @robertbihn3005
    @robertbihn3005 Рік тому +2

    around that same period of time many were formulating what's now called BBQ sauce

  • @donnewton7858
    @donnewton7858 Рік тому

    Caveman 1: "Mmm, this is good, what is it?"
    Caveman 2: "Fred"

  • @Skank_and_Gutterboy
    @Skank_and_Gutterboy Рік тому +1

    At least Boris' meows were well-timed, he waited until you were done!

  • @billybobholcomb8768
    @billybobholcomb8768 Рік тому +8

    Maybe we shouldn't date on an empty stomach. Just saying.

  • @huntermock96
    @huntermock96 Рік тому +2

    The cat was talking about eating you if you don’t feed him lol

  • @SteelWolf13
    @SteelWolf13 Рік тому +1

    That fluffy desk warmer is thinking "CATibalisms" The act of eating your owner when they don't feed you fast enough.

  • @jgr7487
    @jgr7487 Рік тому +1

    the weirdest thing about cannibalism in humans is that it takes less than 3 months for a group that had an accident to start doing it. and we do it even before planes (and thus plane crashes) were a thing, there are Oregon Trail stories & others.

  • @almitrahopkins1873
    @almitrahopkins1873 Рік тому +2

    Ritual behavior may not leave physical evidence. Butchering and eating their own dead may have been the burial ritual and without the bones we do have showing the signs of it, we may never know.
    I doubt seriously that would have just stopped in later human ancestors, so you would expect to see evidence of it in later ancestors who left more complete fossilized skeletons. It’s definitely an interesting thing to find and more evidence is needed to draw any sort of conclusion.

    • @matthewjohns1758
      @matthewjohns1758 Рік тому

      A cannibalized Body would most probably be broken up with its long bones especially being cracked open to get at the fatty, nutritious and delicious marrow. You also may never find a cannibalized body being buried ritually and so bits and pieces may be all we’ll ever find.

  • @terenzo50
    @terenzo50 Рік тому +8

    All good wishes for you, your kitties and your sister! Monty Python's sketch about shipwrecked sailors on a raft trying to figure whom of their shipmates to eat is running on repeat through my head. "Look, chaps, I've got a gammy leg and I'm going fast, so... I want you to eat me." "Eeew, with a gammy leg?" "You needn't eat the leg, Thompson, there's still plenty of good meat, look at that arm." "I'd rather eat Johnson." ........."Look. I tell you what. Those who want to can eat Johnson. And you, sir, can have my leg. And we'll make some stock from the Captain, and then we'll have Johnson cold for supper."

    • @arazatliyev6564
      @arazatliyev6564 Рік тому

      What you speak??😶

    • @cathjj840
      @cathjj840 Рік тому +1

      @@arazatliyev6564 Actual English, I dare say.

    • @arazatliyev6564
      @arazatliyev6564 Рік тому

      @@cathjj840 just l saying that why you tell yourself?

  • @Here618
    @Here618 Рік тому +2

    that Cain Abel-ism always gave me indigestion. I Couldn’t wait for agriculture!!!😂

    • @marcomoreno6748
      @marcomoreno6748 Рік тому +2

      Herders
      Farmers
      Hunter Gatherers
      The three races of humanity.

  • @ChuckCanada1
    @ChuckCanada1 Рік тому +3

    1.45 million years ago. In all honesty it was probably a matter of waste not want not. No pun intended.

  • @RobertWalker-lx3qu
    @RobertWalker-lx3qu Рік тому +3

    Of course our earliest ancestors ate each other, No Food would have been wasted, The taboo on Cannibalism would not have happen until Religion and a reliable
    food source was established, Staying alive is the Humans/Animals second priority we will do whatever it takes to stay alive.

  • @_Jobe
    @_Jobe Рік тому +1

    Eating the dead was just a free meal. Survival was not easy at that time. Strange that the cut marks don't continue around the bone though. The cut marks could be self inflected.

  • @omnologos
    @omnologos Рік тому +1

    They didn't even have ketchup to help with the experience

  • @paulhiakita251
    @paulhiakita251 Рік тому +2

    Hi Kayliegh. Again thank you for your studied knowledge and Informative presentations. Apparently cannibalism is still in practice today by people's in isolated parts of the world. I'm part Maori from New Zealand and I remember my father talking of an old man staying in a wharenui on our pa. He was supposedly 90 or more years old and he was a related to my family. This old man my father said was the last living cannibal of our tribe and threatened to eat my father and his brothers when they stood at the entrance of the wharenui door way staring at him as children. I don't know how true this is but apparently it is true that my tribe did eat humans. When the first white people were sent in to survey our tribal lands, they disappeared never to be found again. Its been said that they were captured and eaten by my ancestors. This would have been in the 19th century, not that long ago really. You have sparked my interest on this subject so I'm going to try to find out more about this subject. It's no surprise that cannibalism has been around since way way back in time. I remember when they first witnessed chimpanzees hunting down monkeys and eating them. I don't know why the world was shocked at the time especially when we look at our own history.

  • @jerrysolomon7623
    @jerrysolomon7623 Рік тому +1

    What for supper? Uncle Sid.

  • @fortyofforty5257
    @fortyofforty5257 Рік тому +2

    Would you do a history of humans and cats? Dogs seem to get all the attention, but how far back does the human-cat connection go?

  • @ZharelAnger
    @ZharelAnger 2 місяці тому

    "Sticks, Stones, and Broken Bones: Neolithic Violence in a European Perspective" was revolutionary in its use of postmortem observations. Who says the dead don't tell tales?

  • @craigsurette3438
    @craigsurette3438 Рік тому +6

    It is fascinating to consider that perhaps our general modern human disgust at cannibalism may very well be part of an adaptive process separating us from our vastly more cannibalistic ancestors

    • @nickaschenbecker9882
      @nickaschenbecker9882 Рік тому

      That's exactly it. And not just laughing sickness but early humans were rife with diseases and parasites-and that's just a couple hundred years ago! Imagine how risky eating a human a couple hundred thousand years ago was, especially uncooked as the case may have been. Beware a meal that was too easily caught.

  • @thelmus3914
    @thelmus3914 Рік тому +2

    I read that headline as a date with cannibalism. Sure glad i was wrong.

  • @SarisChannel18
    @SarisChannel18 Рік тому +2

    Ah, yes, back then they called themselves Rockschild.

  • @louisgiokas2206
    @louisgiokas2206 Рік тому +3

    You do realize, that after you die, under the right circumstances, your cat will eat you, right?

  • @JorgeLausell
    @JorgeLausell Рік тому +1

    Thank you!
    I see a jump between evidence of butchering and cannibalism.
    What else can be reason for butchering?

  • @albertdehn8381
    @albertdehn8381 Рік тому +1

    Thanks for sharing 👍😀

  • @rhettoracle9679
    @rhettoracle9679 Рік тому +3

    Definitely something to chew on!

  • @Brian-zp1df
    @Brian-zp1df Рік тому

    Plenty of first responders finding dead people say cats will eat the owner but dogs wont

  • @repeatdefender6032
    @repeatdefender6032 Рік тому +1

    💖💖Lila & Boris💖💖😽 Lila's markings are really interesting.

  • @edelgado1
    @edelgado1 Рік тому +1

    It has nothing to do with the present subject but, there is this thing that I can’t stop thinking about. Adams Bridge built by an army of “monkey men”. Hmmm… Neanderthals or Denisovans?

  • @dustydustydusty
    @dustydustydusty Рік тому +1

    If you're 1.45 million years old and still eating people, you should know better. Waving finger of disapproval.
    Warning: barbecue sauce is a poor choice of cologne around certain people.
    Love your channel. Respect on the intellectual purity.

  • @johnquestel4852
    @johnquestel4852 Рік тому +1

    If you can't beat em....eat em...

  • @ursus6450
    @ursus6450 Рік тому +1

    It would be interesting to know what the environment was like back then, was there a drought ?, no plants or game ?, hard times ?, the weak or sick ? enemys ? or just the way of life to survive back then. After all if your starving to death your going to eat anything to keep you alive, survival of the fittest, its in our dna.

  • @drcutburth29
    @drcutburth29 Рік тому +2

    very interesting discovery.

  • @davidj.leavitt249
    @davidj.leavitt249 6 місяців тому +1

    Yup, no sense letting good protein go to waste when you’re hungry. Could be any number of reasons for this, even one that no one has hypothesized yet.

  • @edelgado1
    @edelgado1 Рік тому +3

    It was easier than hunting. When the opportunity presented itself and they were hungry, why not? The question is, when did burial start. Because just before a burial there had to be a sentiment of loss and perhaps the munchers would share the deceased’s soul with theirs. Abundance of game and foods probably led to the ritual of burial for there was no need to eat a loved one. Just tripping over here. 😊 I love your videos.

  • @chrisswanson2378
    @chrisswanson2378 Рік тому +1

    Maybe cutting bait to catch animals or to lure crocodiles away to cross a river. Butchery does not equal eating.

    • @marcomoreno6748
      @marcomoreno6748 Рік тому +2

      Good observation. Someone else mentioned they were perhaps also cleaning the bones to preserve them for rituals and shamanstic practices. In which case you'd think they would be a bit more careful not to leave marks 😂

  • @alexbuckle1085
    @alexbuckle1085 Рік тому

    Cannibalism is FAR more common a practice than the general public admits

  • @bierce716
    @bierce716 Рік тому +1

    Human flesh would not be a regular part of the diet- it's just not very nutritious. Our flesh lacks certain vitamins and minerals crucial to good health; people who have been forced to live on it in emergencies- the Donner party, etc, quickly get sick. I don't know if that applies to related but not identical hominids.

  • @kwennemar
    @kwennemar Рік тому +3

    Is it really cannibalism if you eat someone of a different but similar species?

    • @matthewjohns1758
      @matthewjohns1758 Рік тому

      That sounds like philosophy which always contains circular thinking or taking something as a fact when it really isn’t. You should stay away from that crap it’ll only be confusing and wastes time and brain cells which could be used for much better things like walking and chewing gum at the same time.

  • @thepassdude5173
    @thepassdude5173 Рік тому +2

    Cannibalism might also have been a custom in that far past period of history much like what some indigenous people in New Guinea practice where a relative who passed away is consumed by their family but not as a source of food or for survival. If you spot the Loch Ness monster Kayleigh while in Scotland please get good photos or video and post here 😂😂😂

  • @AllHailDiskordia
    @AllHailDiskordia Рік тому +1

    In Herxheim, Germany there is a museum of local stone age finds, with many human bones that appear to have been "processed" with stone age tools, they were probably cannibalised, that was about 7000 years ago and seems to have been organised .
    I think it is very probable that early humans ate each other, whether out of pure hunger or ritualistic reasons.

    • @matthewjohns1758
      @matthewjohns1758 Рік тому +1

      It easily could be that these hominids were eating someone and as they sat around consuming a portion of arm some wiseacre began making up a ritual reason for munching down on our brethren. There’s always someone who knows they’re smarter than others in their group, who held tribal knowledge and also would lead and create traditions which could have been transferred from rituals used in what we think of as traditional hunting.

    • @AllHailDiskordia
      @AllHailDiskordia Рік тому +1

      @@matthewjohns1758 Well, in the case of Herxheim, there is evidence that lots and lots of people were being dismembered and their bones being split open, and that was done on a large(for the time) scale. the exact "why" is unknown but it is highly likely it was cannibalism for some reason, could have been some sort of ritualistic reasons or just for food....

  • @bnuttsgee
    @bnuttsgee Рік тому +1

    Could be ancient shady butcher "get your fresh deer meat"

  • @brian1204
    @brian1204 Рік тому +1

    Anyone else see the similarity between “cannibal” and “cannabis”?
    Ingesting cannabis gives you munchies?
    Coincidence? Or no!

  • @richardmarts2432
    @richardmarts2432 9 місяців тому +1

    A rethink of my previous comment. Perhaps it all comes down to 2 factors the first being is the act one of survival or routine and secondly does the species recognize those being eaten as one of their own or do they see them as different which makes them a prey species? We know that as recent as the mid-1800's there were white mountain men who routinely killed and cannibalized parts of their Native American victims bodies. In their minds the Indian population was a different species. "Liver Eating Johnson" comes to mind.

  • @oesypum
    @oesypum Рік тому +1

    For far too long existing finds, in some cases made well over 100 years ago have not been reappraised, and the extant description being still accepted. There are numerous reasons why these exhibits are not reappraised, I have lost count of the number of times, when revisited, they elicit new evidence, to those prepared to make the effort, and advance our collective knowledge.

    • @matthewjohns1758
      @matthewjohns1758 Рік тому

      Unfortunately for ALL Archaeology and Paleontology their have been more diggers than their have been scientific studies of what was dug up. There are too many digs which lack a study of the finds or even how they were found. I know in Archaeology(yes I’m looking at you Israel 🇮🇱 diggers)the digs were done sloppily without documentation and unfortunately more than a little disinformation. Ideas were fomented and used in the textbooks which had nothing to do with the true character of artifacts.

  • @Harabanar
    @Harabanar Рік тому +4

    When discussing ritualistic cannibalism always remember that 1.5 billion Christians practice this ritual, weekly all around the globe. In a very wound up form, but still it might be from the same ritual somewhere down the line.

  • @DeckardShotFirst
    @DeckardShotFirst Рік тому +3

    Is it still cannibalism if it is between different hominin/hominid species? It could be that one preyed upon the other, similar to how chimps prey upon monkeys. Maybe we ate the Neanderthals.

    • @marcomoreno6748
      @marcomoreno6748 Рік тому +2

      Probably. The question is to what extent and in which circumstances.

    • @matthewjohns1758
      @matthewjohns1758 Рік тому +1

      Or the Neanderthals ate us!!!

  • @savage5128
    @savage5128 Рік тому +1

    We aren't really removed from the animal kingdom so it makes since. Cute cat by the way.

  • @stevefaure415
    @stevefaure415 Рік тому +1

    I think it's worth a revisit.

  • @RandoCalrisiann
    @RandoCalrisiann Рік тому +1

    I love Boris, let's see him in some videos!

  • @abe5887
    @abe5887 Рік тому

    In primitive mythology, Joseph Campbell said the rite of the head hunt might be humanities oldest cult. Around page 200:
    "Sinanthropus, it will be recalled, who had already captured fire as early as c. 400,000 B.C., was a cannibal; so also Neanderthal Man: we have mentioned the opened skulls at Krapina and Ehringsdorf. But in Java too a number of such opened skulls have been found among the remains of Solo (Ngandong) Man, neanderthal's Oriental contemporary; and these were opened precisely in the way of the skulls of the present day headhunters of Borneo. Neanderthal and Solo Man, therefore, may have practiced some form of ritual cannibalism in connection with an early version of the headhunt; and if so, the formula should perhaps be carried back even to the period of Plesianthropus, who killed and beheaded men as well as beasts - in which case, this grim cult might be proposed as the earliest religious rite of the human species." (some of this is outdated but its the possible mythological links that is whats important, not classifications)

  • @stephenstokesberry3767
    @stephenstokesberry3767 Рік тому +1

    Hunger drove them...

  • @geodkyt
    @geodkyt Рік тому

    The lack of any ritualistic behavior in H. erectus or H. habilus, including the lack of any evidence of any particular funerary practices, is really the thing that pushes this over the edge from "merely" the most likely explanation to the "only explanation consistent with all known data".
    But I have seen such argued over *all* evidence of cannabalism, short of actual tooth marks on bones, by people who just can't accept that their distant ancestors didn't really accept that, "People are friends, not food."
    Anyone trying to posit ritualistic origins to these cut marks (and I guarantee people will so argue), in species that have never been found to have sophisticated ritualistic funerary practices would be a flight of wild fancy entirely unsupported by any known facts - the evidence of the earliest funerary practices *of any sort* we have found are about one million years *after* this specimen, in H. naledi.
    In a *later* species, where ritualistic funerary behavior is proven, the cut marks *could* indicate ritualistic defleshing (there are cultures known to history - and IIRC, currently - where the bones are the only part of the body "worthy" of reverence, with the soft tissue needing to be removed as part of the funerary rituals. And this verified ritualistic defleshing generally doesn't involve even a ritualistic de minimus cacannibalism. So, for later species and cultures, where more elaborate funerary customs have been found, I would argue that at least a little bit more evidence would be needed to prove cannibalism- human tooth marks, pot polish, differential scorching indicating cooking rather than a funeral pyre, smashed long bones to extract marrow consistent with how animal bones are treated in the same culture, etc.
    But, unless and until we find evidence of *any* elaborate funerary practices in H. erectus or H. habilus, I would absolutely concur this evidence is clearly sufficient to associate this bone with cannabalism. Especially since we know cannibalism occurs in the Pan genus, as well as later Homo species, and thus is (applying parsimony) likely an ancestral behavior to the hominin Last Common Ancestor of Pan and Homo, at the least.

  • @kurtbogle2973
    @kurtbogle2973 Рік тому

    History is full of cannibalism. Stalingrad, Donner pass, ect the inspiration for the story Moby Dick is based on a true story about sailors in a lifeboat that sailed so far to avoid cannibals, that by the time they were rescued, they had turned into cannibals.

  • @michaelbean105
    @michaelbean105 Рік тому +2

    Rub your hair, rub your belly, repeat after me, "all fur bearing mammals are edible"...
    Meat's on the menu! 🤟💀

  • @6NBERLS
    @6NBERLS Рік тому +1

    Most excellent.

  • @dianarising7703
    @dianarising7703 Рік тому +1

    Like you, I am also against cannibalism. I think your strong stance is important.

    • @matthewjohns1758
      @matthewjohns1758 Рік тому +1

      While your opinion is welcome and not unusual there have been modern instances where cannibalism has been the only way to survive(such as with the Andes plane crash in Peru 🇵🇪 where a group of people were basically saved by practicing cannibalism). We really need another way of looking at this so that necessity doesn’t make people into some kind monster in society for just surviving a tragedy not of their making. Of course cannibalism shouldn’t happen and the way we look at people like Jeffery Dahmer should be completely different from how we look at someone who just wanted to live for another day until they are hopefully rescued.

    • @dianarising7703
      @dianarising7703 Рік тому +1

      @@matthewjohns1758 I agree that people in extreme situations sometimes have to take extreme actions to survive and they should not be vilified. We don't know what the situation was for the fossils under discussion, though.

  • @Jussi138
    @Jussi138 Рік тому +2

    I think all human species have practiced cannibalism in one way or another 🤔

  • @LeRoy-t4e
    @LeRoy-t4e 9 місяців тому

    My boat floats on the waters of yesteryear.
    All weirdness aside, meat is meat. I don't eat people, but I can understand being hungry and eating whatever I can find. In ancient history, I don't believe moral issues were an issue.

  • @stevelawson4404
    @stevelawson4404 Рік тому +1

    Thanks!

  • @johnmorris4003
    @johnmorris4003 Рік тому +2

    Nice video, cool cat.

  • @MattttG3
    @MattttG3 Рік тому

    I am trying to think of her slight accents origin. Eastern Europe it seems , it’s not a bad thing at all by the way
    Edit: Germanic/Dutch it states in the about section , good to know 😌

  • @rusnikfromtranscarpathia
    @rusnikfromtranscarpathia Рік тому

    What seasonings do you think they used, or method of cooking? Lol
    Where are you from Kaleigh?...Sweden, Iceland, Netherlands??? In any country of Origin, you are Beautiful & Very Smart! 😊🌸