Robbie; love ya bud but watch this video back… pretty sure you were closer almost every time with the Berg when you used it as an approach disc… most of our bags are big enough to also carry throwing putters for slightly different shots. It surprises me how many influencers dislike a disc that as an approach disc is one of the best in the game. That’s why everyone likes the Zone… low glide and overstable. This is the same just slower which means typically lower margin of error. I bag a Zone and Berg along with throwing putters and have been playing for 12 years. Politely and completely disagree with the “training wheels” comment. Why would anyone not want to be closer to the basket regardless of putting skill? The Pig also similar just faster and less torque resistant.
Yeah, the Pig is very similar, just a bit more speed and fade 👍 The Berg is a game changer to disc golf, just like the sand wedge was to golf. People complain at first, then before you know, everybody’s using it lol
The problem with what Robbie is saying yes, the berg doesn't fill ALL throwing putter applications, eventually you'll need to disc up, and that's his major hold up. As if like, that's not the case for literally every other disc. Just because you can throw a Grace for a specific shot, doesn't mean you can use it for all other shots, so you'll have to disc up to like a ballista or rive. That's just hate at this point because like I said, everything he said about the berg can apply to any other disc, the only issue is the berg is the shortest flying disc at 1/1/0/2.
I bought my first berg last week. I played with it for the first time yesterday. It does not seem to go as straight as advertised. That is until you put the juice into it. Thrown hard, it was a laser beam that dropped out of the sky at the basket. I think the need to throw it hard is part of the opposition folks have to it. I am definitely not used to throwing hard for 200 ft upshots. But they did end up next to the basket when I did so. And they landed pretty flat. When I threw the berg at 50% like I would an envy or pixel, the disc would fade hard. I think there is room enough in my bag for this odd flight characteristic. More testing must be done.
Exactly, and he contradicts that argument himself when he then says “well if you need to flick a putter, you can just add a Harp” like that is exactly what your argument AGAINST the Berg was, that you need to add an extra disc??😂
I bag a K1 soft Berg. I love it because it’s reliable. Never had a rollaway. Never had it skip way past the basket, even on hard ground covered in pine straw. It’s like lawn darts. I can go for throw-ins without being afraid of it going 50 feet long if it misses.
Love the Berg. I used to throw the Nova, Ryno and Blowfly. The Berg just has better speed and distance control. Less susceptible to be affected by wind.
What makes the Berg special to me is forehand approach shots. I used to use an envy for forehand approaches and it worked well but it's also glidey and you need touch. The Berg is a fantastic forehand approach disc with way more torque resistance than the envy.
This 100% what I was gonna say. I suck at forehands in general but for some reason with the Berg it makes me look like a forehand master on approachs lol
I appreciate the video and the shout out Robbie, and it has given me my next big video idea. :D To be continued... ps. Flick putts rule... sometimes. Go Bergs!
As a berg lover myself, I will say that it does what Robbie said. I was using my berg for upshot’s and putting, but recently I have changed up my styles and “have taken off the training wheels”. Do I still bag my berg? YES. Will it ever completely come out of my bag?NO. There’s times that I need a touchy forehand or anhyzer shot that the berg just does so much better for me then any of my other disc. With this all being said, the berg is a great disc. It will always be a staple in my game and comes out on occasions when I need to lean into something I know better then other disc. Great video and still loving the content.
People complaining about the Berg and finding it “cheap” or like “straining wheels” is the exact same thing that happened with golf when the sand wedge was introduced… “Wow that’s so cheap that players can get so much more spin and have the ball stop/backspin”. And then over time, everybody started carrying higher lofted wedges because they changed/improved the game. The Berg is in the exact same situation. It’s the KING of approach discs because it changes/improves the game. Why have 4 approach discs when you can carry 1 or 2? Why have an approach disc that could leak right or left when you can simply go straight at it and avoid big mistakes? Just our 2 cents on the matter!
Berg is a FH disc for me, but I'm a dominant FH player. So I'm not driving unless its under 250. Its an approach disc mostly. When you are scrambling out of the woods and you need that shot, the Berg and Arrow are my most loved.
I played 18 today and bag a berg used it 6 times for flick shot approaches and holed two out of six for birdies. Thanks for the video it really helped me decided to try the Berg today.
The Berg is a utility disc for me. I use it around water or ob lines to limit distance, especially on windy days. I get a consistent soft landing on 150-200ft shots without the chance of a wind bounce causing me to go 10-40ft long. It gets windy in Oklahoma.
Man after thinking about it, totally agreeing with the points Robbie is making here, and seeing the flights of the berg in this light, it's got me considering a lot of new ideas about the berg. When you combine the uniqueness of the handful and the uniqueness of the flight there's truly no disc quite like it, which could lead me to make a pretty wild statement here. I would have to say if i'm being honest, completely unbiased, and very positive, my true and real opinion is that the berg could possibly be the worst disc of all time.
It does an Anny FH approach better than any disc. It will hold the line and never flex out like other approach discs. I save strokes every round because of that.
i guarantee i have a disc that does the exact line thats not a berg, i promise. people like you are why people like me love to hate it 😂(i have 2, ive tried them, not for me). its not a magical disc that revolutionized the game(your game, maybe) by being the only one that does something. ill throw my base marvel, base proxy or hell even my glitch and replicate any shot you are talking about
@@jbirdfishesI won’t argue that, but I have never ‘overturned’ the Berg unlike a touch anny with a normal putter. I have thrown that shot up to ~175 max power with no overturn and holds the anny to the ground. It is magic for me and gets me out of so many tight spaces.
Just had an ace last weekend with a short downhill throw that typically I blow my putters way further than the basket. It fights to get to the ground fairly quickly and sticks where it hits, I love it for short downhill approach shots
I bag the Pig and the Berg for the exact same reason. They are both the safest predictable shots in my bag. If I master the Rollo it will go in my bag too. A mastered short straight, hyzer, and Ani shot. Berg, Pig, Rollo. One more thing, The Berg is the Nickleback of discs.
I use my berg for most shots mentioned in this video. I don't think it was mentioned in the video but the burg has a tendency to land flat when thrown flat, while most other discs typically land on some sort of angle, yes you can force those to land flat(call it a skill gap if you'd like). This makes it perfect for upshots with sloping greens. At my home course I use it for one specific hole, 270 foot down hill with a sloping green. I can throw the burg hard and flat give it a ace run and be with 10feet of the basket. Yes I can throw a zone or luna or any other putter and do the same thing, but the burg never rolls away for me. Plus its just a very fun disc to throw.
Hey Robbie. As a member of the Berg Gang, I really liked this video. Is the berg for everyone? No. But I think there are plenty of reasons to like the berg. I've been using the berg for about 2 and a half years now. I think scoring comes from trust in your discs, and I certainly trust the berg. Touchy approach shots? Berg. Short drives with OB past the basket? Berg. Tunnel shots that can't afford much side to side drift? Berg. Behind a bush and forced to stand out for a flick putt? Berg. Shockingly, I recently fell in love with another disc that I think is a natural extension to the berg. Robbie, you may have mixed feelings about this one. But its the pig. Yepp, recently became a pig farmer too. I bought my first pig on a whim a few weeks ago and from hand feel alone, it went straight into the bag for a tournament. Something about it (Your videos may have influenced me a bit) told me exactly how it would fit my game. I leaned on it a lot during that tournament despite never throwing it prior and it did so well! To me, it feels like a faster and more stable berg. That low glide and sticky plastic makes it deadly accurate! So I gotta propose an alliance between the Berg Gang and the Pig Farmers out there! Both of these discs can live in harmony with one another and deserve the following they have.
@@Excavion I am all for the Harmony!! I really tried to say over and over again that I think it’s a great option! Not my choice, but totally get and respect why so many folks love it!
I feel it comes down to if you want the discs to do the shot, or do you want to shape your shot. You can build a bag both ways. For me I like how the disc feels in the hand the most.
Haven’t watched the video and can answer with a resounding YES. YES, one should bag a Berg. I think it is more than the fact that it is a one speed. I think the strength of the Berg comes from the one glide.
I agree with this assessment for the most part but for me what makes the Berg is being able to throw it FH. No way I can throw an Aviar and Wizard for FH upshots. BH is a regular 3 speed putter for me and that anny touch shot shown in the video I use the Zone for more stability
look I use a Berg because its my short distance straight throw, and my putter again because of the air breaks helps me since i have switched to a spin putt and other discs will just keep flying past the basket. Also when I go out and do a one disc round the berg is what is always grab. It just wants to go straight, glowplastic is slightly over stable version, and a really beat up berg is slightly under stable. I have different disc for different shots and the berg fits its shots better then other discs.... the biggest danger of a berg is it will roll a mile uphill,,, not really but it does like to stand up and start rolling if you are not careful.
I love the berg. I bag 3. I putt with a k3 and I have 2 others that are throwing putters. A k1 soft and a k1. I love them because they are predictable. Just figured out my anny putt with it and it gets much more glide. Ppl make fun of me but oh well. I also use the pig. The both have a purpose. I don’t know shit though lol
i have one in the bag as a training wheel while my touch is coming back from a form change, but i am somewhat a minimalist and like my back and knees and will most likely remove it once my touch is back to an acceptable level. good video.
I am having a fantastic day, thank you for asking. I agree with your assessment of what the Berg does well. I do believe, however, that you missed the other shots that it does well as mentioned by others in the comments. Try it as a roller, FH anny, or BH hyzer. Your shots with the Berg were more consistent than the other discs you were throwing. I think you are in denial about how good the Berg really is and that it deserves a spot in your bag. The Berg community is full of love, and redemption can be found within our community. I await the day that I can order my RobbieC Berg. I hope that your day is fantastic as well. 😉
I use the Berg when i decide to be a daredevil and trying to make a putt where you don't want to see it miss and glide in to the eternity on the backside. Or close to basket OB, or down a hill. With the Berg you kind of know you dare to go for it and it will drop dead not to far from the basket. I love the little bugger.
I used to not bag a berg, but when i got one it opened up a few things. No matter the power, it goes straight, and my glow berg even has some stability to boot. Forehand or backhand it goes straight. I can be an aggressive player at times, and this let's me go for throw ins much more safely from within 200 feet or so. There have been times where a throwing putter or a tactic type disc are just too fast, even on approaches. And if you power down you don't get the same control/fade. It's a unique shot, but you don't need one.
The name on the disc is much like the numbers of a disc, a guideline of what to expect. I've had multiple identical discs that flew very different from one another, and similar numbers that were night and day different. Point is, find a disc that feels good, and learn to throw it. Don't worry about what others think about your bag, play your game, try discs when you can, but don't expect the same disc to fly the same as the one your buddy let you borrow!
I can understand the training wheels thoughts about the Berg. Because I am a guy without any real throwing experience, who picked up the sport at 30, and can only be a weekend warrior I will take all the help I can get and I think the Berg does that. It doesn't mind that I throw it hard to make gaps and can handle my OAT and still fly straight .
My OS approach is a Gateway Devilhawk. For me, my berg is basically a straight Devilhawk that can hold an anny. They’re an unbeatable pair for forehands.
I bag a BEOrg, Glitch, a “throwing putter” and an Area 51… everything has its purpose.There is one shot with the Berg nobody ever talks about and that is the dead straight roller for escape or for really low ceilings. The Berg is really a good option for some downhill holes up to about 300-ish feet. We have one here that is 280 and about 50 feet DOWNHILL. A light flick of the wrist and the disc does the work. Why don't I throw a grenade or tomahawk? How many years of pitching/tennis/golf/ice hockey/surfing damage does your shoulder have? Mine has plenty... and I've yet to figure how to keep any gliding putter from not going into the bushes long even when throwing on a downhill angle (hits and rolls).
So, the biggest problem i have with people who say that you shouldn’t bag a berg, is the types of arguments they use and how often they contradict themselves. Example, the argument with “what happens when you comes to a 280ft hole, then you need to add an extra putter you can throw far with”, but then you use that same argument but now in favor of the regular putter when it comes to overstable shots or forehand approaches, “you can just add a Harp🤷♂️”. Also, you can throw the Berg far, look at Tobias Söderqvist (sweden) on youtube, he throws it on any hole that is up to 90m (295ft) with perfect precision. Also, the argument that you can’t be touchy with a berg is ridiculous, you can be touchy with any disc and theow it soft, it is literally what the berg does amazingly, alot of players runs the basket from anywhere inside 100ft with touchy upshots, wich is something you can in fact do with the berg that you can’t with other discs if you don’t wanna risk going to far away from the basket. Also, why would you not want to bag a disc that you can throw on any angle in any conditions? You can’t do that with regular “touchy” putter, like in a headwind from 250, you’re never gonna throw a beat up aviar with precision, but you can with a berg. Also, why would you not want to bag a disc where you can minimize the amount of slots you need to fill? You yourself have tought that? Instead of having one putter each for stable forehand shots, understable forehand shots, straight backhand shots, understand turnover backhand shots, onlverstable backhand shots, you can have all in these in one disc. You can even throw rollers with it when you need to go through bushes. Like your arguments for why you shouldn’t bag a berg, contradicts everything you taught out over the years. And it’s not a beginner disc, Joseph Anderson who just won on idlewild bags a berg, Eric Oakley and Scott Stokely bags a Berg, a lot of pros in sweden and the rest of scandinavia uses the berg. The reason more pros on the pro tour doesn’t is because they aren’t allowed to. I’d argue pro’s have even more of a reason to bag a berg, since you can use it for every single shot type inside 300 feet, and the got the power to throw it 300+ with accuracy.
The other thing I love about my Berg is that when you throw it anhyzer it stays on the line amazingly. Oddly enough, sometimes the hyzer just stays tilted but stays straight, but the anhyzer Berg is a thing of beauty!
i will say i bag a couple throwing putters along with the berg and i do love the berg for those forehand upshot’s it’s been in my bag for a while now and will most likely stay there i agree i don’t like how much power i have to give it as a putting putter
I’ve never thrown a berg, but I do have a lone star armadillo. I found that having it in the bag was pointless. I can achieve the same thing with any other putter and not take up space in my bag. I use a star aviar for those 150ft and in straight shots where I can’t swing the disc wide, and either a pig or zone for every other approach.
As I’ve gotten better at the game I’ve switched away from the berg for most approaches, but the berg x is a really comfortable scoober disc so it stays in my bag.
haven't watched the vid yet, but im coming home from a 9 month deployment in gemany. bought a berg with voucher money right before i left and have yet to throw it. looking forward hearing your thoughts on it
i generally try not to watch your vids, but i saw the berg things and was waiting for you to butcher another berg review. It must get good engagement because i see these same views every once in a while but almost all dg channels have some sort of video on the berg. off the top almost every one is carrying a bag that holds 20-25 discs. You dont need to have 1 throwing putter, thats why the berg gets a slot, among other putters. want more distance off the tee, put an envy, pure or numerous other putters that have more glide and you can dial in the stability to your own taste. I carry 2 proxys for putting, 1 glow proxy for throwing straight, 1 envy for throwing further and more OS, and a berg. Berg is just easier to throw shorter than the proxy or envy, my max distance with the berg is just shorter than the other 2 options. Then you have the crutch/training wheel argument, again a bad argument. Both of those are add ons to correct a certain problem. A Berg is a disc like a destroyer or a tee bird or a zone, its a disc, its pdga legal, and they aren't oop. They go mainly straight as you detailed in the throw with the trees in the way. You perfectly illustrated it with your throws the wizard got up there but look how it faded and ended up under some bushes. Thats a key for me, instead of worrying about bad finishes,as in l i didn't get that flat or had too much hyzer, ill throw straight at it with a berg. Yes you can get a similar flight from throwing with angles, back loading grip, etc, thats intermediate to advanced stuff, but if all it gets you is a similar shot to the berg, does it make sense to try to control those angles when you have something you dont have to control said angles? the flick is a good point, its what i learned to flick on because of the large rim. You show the flick to run at the basket, but you also have a flick that can get around trees/corners on a high anny and land flat on very short shots of say 100 ft. Can you do that with other discs? of course but their glide is often going to make the turn later and the disc goes further. With the large rim its easier for me to get the angle right and not turn it over, although like any disc, it will turn if put on too much angle. YOu also missed that it's a great forehand roller disc for scrambles with the big rim that acts like a tire. Again for longer forehand rollers, i might use a zone to get 100 more feet, but generally when im talking scrambles its 75-100 ft. Its just shorter and most people arent playing pro level distance courses. In my experience its gonna be mainly 300-400 holes with about 3-5 under 280 ft and about 3-5 over 400 ft. In those distances its very easy to throw 50-150 from the basket, the berg throw is just obvious. On throwing full power, some people over do it, i notice most young guys do it more often because they dont have the fear of their arm falling apart. One guy i play with throws legit 400-450 off the tee, and i gave him a berg, which he wasnt into too much. I see him about 6 months later and hes throwing a berg. First thing he says, 'power control', which makes sense. throwing close to full power is much easier that throwing 50-60-70%, it just is. if you are getting in 3-5 rounds a week and some field work, maybe you perfect your touch, but even taking time off can throw that touch off. Most people are not gonna get 3-5 rounds in for the rest of their DG life, so that touch really comes and goes. you also gave the concept of cycling pigs, which is cool, but with a berg, at any stage of wear, it flies like a berg. its not any more understable after a few hundred rounds. Most people either like k1 or k3, and some say one or the other is more OS, but still there isnt much of a fluctuation like. driver or even mid with long term wear. You dont have to look at domey-ness or plastic or run. ive gone from z to crystal flx back to z zones in the last year and even that consistent mold has slight variations that are much greater than any k1 or k3 berg. the biggest mistake i see with most of these berg vids, like yours, is you dont throw it and you make it out like its a negative, even though it consistently does what it does more often than almost any disc on the market. In reality, outside of just hating the hand feel, it makes the MOST sense to have a disc to very faithfully rely on. The great molds like the buzz, the teebird, eagle, wraith & destroyer all are great and copied because they do what they do very consistently although even those molds arent as consistent as the berg. Even all those molds most people covet more after a year of play when they are seasoned. The berg is out of the box, exactly what it is.
You come across, maybe in a manner you don't even intend, as extremely negative, or condescending, about the Berg. That's the whole video in general, but specifically at around the 15:50 mark. I feel you're asking the wrong question. Instead of need to take extra time to get an Aviar or Wizard to do whatever it is you want it to do, why on earth would someone not use a disc (the Berg) that already gets the desired result? Baseball players use a bat to hit the ball; they could learn to use their heads, but the process is a bit more painful. As a club leader, I teach new players to use a disc for a particular shot that they can duplicate. After all, if the success can't be duplicated - basically wishful thinking each throw - there's not much point. I don't understand how content creators increase their credibility by reviewing discs - positively or negatively - that they acknowledge they don't ever throw except for 5-6 times on camera. The admission all but invalidates the opinion (in my opinion).
@@kspraddiscgolfguy totally fair points! I am sorry it came across as extremely negative. You are right that was not my intention! I certainly made a few jokes early, but wanted to be very intentional about explaining the validity of the berg. I think saying comparing the Berg to a Wizard and hitting a Baseball with your head is a little extreme, but I love the idea of teaching consistency with shots. While I am more familiar with throwing a wizard which showed in the video with my ability to throw consistent shots, I am not a stranger to the berg either. I have undoubtedly thrown the wizard more, but I have also thrown the berg a considerable amount. 🤣🤣 funny enough that Berg is from a two round tournament where we only played with Bergs. I tried to make sure that I said multiple times in the video that I do not think there is anything wrong with bagging a berg if you are looking for those shots. My belief and hope for others though is that I believe you unlock even more scoring potential by pushing the boundaries of other discs is all! But I’m not gonna say people are wrong or fools for bagging one! Just trying to present the other side of the coin!
@@RobbieCDiscgolf @RobbieCDiscgolf thank you very much for responding. I appreciate it. My baseball example was simply meant to illustrate a "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" approach. If the Berg works for a player, there's not a real good reason for that player to seek success for the same type of shot from another disc. As for you noting in your comment above that you "have ... thrown the Berg a considerable amount ..." that is different than what you convey in the video above. At the 17:54 mark, you say about the Berg: "I do not throw often at all. I pretty much only throw Bergs on video." Around the 11:30 mark you ask a question to the effect of, "what if my Berg is my main throwing putter and I'm on a 280-foot hole?" Well, my disc golf community might be different from yours in terms of ability and experience, but no one I know who throws the Berg on a regular basis (staple the bag) tries to throw it from the tee pad nearly 300 feet. There are other discs for that. Focusing on what the Berg doesn't do well is kinda silly ... I mean, no one putts with a Destroyer, but I'd say a Destroyer has a spot in many players' bags. Right? Around that same 11:30 mark, after you throw it from the 280-ish foot tee pad, you highlight that the Berg is the furthest from the basket. But that's not the issue - or, at least, it was not the issue when you threw the Berg the first time in the video. That time, you noted the Berg was, in fact, closest to the pin - but then dismissed that, saying you only want your approach shots to be close enough to be able to comfortably putt. So, which is it? Do you want the closest shot consistently, or a comfortable putt? Hyzer shots - and being able to throw out wide and/or high - are great. But there are a great many courses that have trees or other obstacles that don't consistently allow for such shots. The Berg is a reliable disc for many who choose to learn how to use it (coupled with a positive mindset). And finally, you sound very condescending (intentional or not) when you talk about "if you don't want to put in the work" and do this "as a hobby" ... But why would a player put in the extra work with a different disc looking for a result that one is already getting from the Berg?
My main disc for upshots has always been an Aviar X3. For a while, I was having issues with the disc gliding way past the basket too often with that disc. I put a Berg in my bag and was extremely happy with it. However, I haven't touched the Berg in months. The Aviar X3 has been working fine for me to the point I've contemplated taking the Berg out of the bag, or making it a utility disc. I do love the thumb track of the Berg though. And it is the amazing K1 plastic. It does feel great.
I was a little surprised that you didn't mention how well the Berg plays on a death putt/approach from 100 feet in. It does hold hyzer and anhyzer lines, and then falls flat and never rolls. I do use the A3 for my putter/approach as well, but it can end up rolling on me. Thanks for all of the discussion though. You really do make those approach straight-ins look easy!
Good video, but it feels like you overlooked the fact that the Berg gets very little ground play, it just stops where it hits better than anything else I've ever thrown, especially on slopes and uneven ground.
Funny, you saying No to the Iceberg, and throwing all of the shots that it has, has made me want to get one, because I've always felt that this kinda disc would be exactly what I'm looking for in a few shots on some courses I frequent! I'm a noob, and I've found some nice success leaning into disc construction to make the shots I want, and this might be perfect for me. Good video! Very informative. Love your content dude!
I have a Berg in my bag. Honestly, I don't really like it that much but I use is exactly as Robbie demonstrated. Throw it like a brick lol. My Lat64 KT Pure feels kinda similar, it also just drops out of the sky but it feels much worse in my hand.
Thanks for trying to be as objective as possible in that video :-) 1 topic you didn't mention at all, and probably because your Berg is in the "wrong plastic", is the ground play, or lack thereof. It looks like you have never tried a K1 Soft Berg, else you'd remember it, and you would have brought this up. I'm a 2-year covid MA3 Player throwing 300-ish (for context), and my Berg has been the disc with which I've had the most successful throw-ins (forehand flicks for most of them), or the most unsuccessful throw-ins that left me with a tap-in ant not a stressful comebacker. Even for jump putts, if you miss, it just sits. Humour us, get a K1 Soft and try to have it skip / roll on any hard ground. K1 Soft Berg is always next to my "throwing approach premium plastic" disc in my "approach bag pocket", currently a Get Freaky Zone. It's not replacing, it's complementing. Throwing putter is an Eternal Lasso (Envy-like), because a 3 speed goes farther than a brick 🙂
I love the Beetle for my 1-speed approach. Inside 100ft, it does what you ask it to. I only backhand, and with that nose up toss, the Beetle will hold hyzer, straight or anhyzer as needed. I've tried the Berg and the Spore, but they never quite leave me with the tap in like the Beetle.
😂 Robbie: like the way it feels Robbie: just freaking parks every shot that is an actual Berg-able throw Also Robbie: nope… don’t like it Make it make sense I kid, but also don’t understand why you’d make life harder for yourself. If there’s a disc that just does the thing, why not bag it instead of forcing another disc to do the thing
@@rusticoaf to me it truly comes down to the statement, “an actual Berg-able throw” while the Berg did it’s job extremely well, my Wizard wasn’t far off of any shot and in several shots is comparable if not better. Yet when something comes up like Hole 2 I can still throw my Wizard and build extra confidence with it rather than only going to that approach type disc for more niche or Berg-able throws. I do think it does what it does extremely well, so I hope this video didn’t come out as a hate piece! Just not for me when I find it more fun/comforting to throw other discs for this shot!
@@RobbieCDiscgolf fair. For myself, at that 280 range, I’m going to grab a mid anyway. I can get a PA-5 or Shaman out that far, but in general, those aren’t my go to discs.
The Berg is specially good when you're playing in tight woods and don't really have the space for another disc to move left or right down the fairway. Great when you have some light foliage and just wanna blast right through it 😂 Also there's no other plastic like K3 Hard on the market, super stiff and super durable.
The Berg flight is similar to the Aerobie Arrows. Only if you have a stable Arrow, many of the Arrows were understable. Purple seemed to be the most understable. (Comes from a Arrow fanatic, I should have kept more of them) I always have an Arrow and glow Berg in my bag. I love them both for the brake effects.
berg forehand from 120 and in is kinda sick. I personally like having a berg and multiple other 3 speeds for different flights and distances. However, i can see it not being for everyone.
Only throw ins I’ve had are with bergs, switched to the armadillo this season and I haven’t had much luck yet. I’ve just heard a lot of hate for it so I wanted to try something new, but maybe I’m a berg guy which is something I maybe shouldn’t be proud about 😂 I got my older brother a berg and I haven’t heard anything so I don’t think he’s a fan😂😂
First off I love your stuff, big fan. That said, I'm a big believer in "Throw the disc you like that does what you want" - much like pineapple on pizza, well done steaks, or whisky in cola - if that's how you like the thing, then you do you. If you have a disc that flies the way you want it to, and does the thing you want it to do, use it. Why 'learn to throw another disc to do the same thing' - by that logic I can take a and learn to do all the things with it, and just force it to do what I want. (one disc bag baby!) Would I throw a berg on a 280 ft hole? (hole 3) nope, but I wouldn't throw my throwing putter on that either, I'm a noodle arm and 300 is me on a full yeet, and that takes me throwing a driver. If I were limited to a shoulder bag, where I had 5-6 discs, it's unlikely that I would bag a Berg, as I'd need less discs to do multiple things. Thing is I'm not, I can carry my standard 13 disc bag and have the right disc for the job a throwing putter, a putting putter and 2 upshot discs (savior and berg) and use the one that's right for the line I have. and don't get me wrong, I can through the Pure on a stall, but if I mess up, it's easy for it to go loooong, but if I upshot a Berg on a death putt, then even if I over shoot, it won't be by much. Also you forgot one of the best things a Berg does, it's a fantastic high wind putter. - In the end throw what makes you happy. Thank you sir, you're appreciated!
Wanted a backup berg. Got one from the shop but it looked a bit crooked so I took a test shot at the nearby 18th hole basket, threw it in bout 120 feet first time out of my hand. Went in the bag.
I see time and time again people working hard to express their objections to the Berg. Whatever their reasoning they nearly always exhibit better approaches with the Berg than whatever they have to master to get the same result. The real reason they want to object to it is that the Berg is to disc golf what Nickelback is to rock. It’s popular to hate on the Berg. I give Robbie credit though, he is at least the most respectful in his objections. We did see that your Berg shots were all money though Robbie 😉
I never throw the berg as my first shot it’s always for a backhand turnover for a recovery or for a safe plop by the basket and it’s almost always a good shot
All I hear is that I should take out my Pig and add the Berg, right? Or am a wrong... this is so diffcult. jkjk, I got my Glow Berg at home and it might take a place in the bag one day, the space it uses makes for a weight reduction of 175 grams in the bag due to the 2 discs it will replace space-wise is great from the getgo :P
I've never even thrown a 1 speed disc before to be honest. Also low glide discs do my brain in a bit. Spent so much time looking for more glide for more distance. Zone was my lowest glide disc until this year when I started using sokibomb slammers. Talk about a brick, that really is one 😂 so I now understand why people would like a berg. Hell I'd probably like it myself. I'm just poor and the Berg hasn't made it into the cart during the 2 or 3 times a year I get to try a new disc.
I throw a Berg, it's for when I'm not feeling comfortable overly powering down to compensate for glide n skip and messing with my timing. Upshot form is just as important as driving form, but they are different, and it's super super easy to shank your apprach 50 feet into the woods because your timing was off while trying to down tempo. With the berg, you aim at the basic and throw it, your body will give it the correct amount of power naturally because it's a brick.
You looking at it wrong bro just like a lot of people, these are not your friends they are your tools! End of story when I beat you cause I have all the tools in my bag and you don't and y would there even be a main throwing putter? I use keystone and spin for under stable, berg x and proxy for stable and zone and zone os for over stable. Putt with medium keystones. My feelings are you want all tools you can have, I carry 25 discs by the way lol.
Think you gave off a vibe of you can use the berg if you are lazy and don’t want to learn how to play disc golf the correct way, which I’m not sure you meant to do. Maybe you did.
Robbie; love ya bud but watch this video back… pretty sure you were closer almost every time with the Berg when you used it as an approach disc… most of our bags are big enough to also carry throwing putters for slightly different shots. It surprises me how many influencers dislike a disc that as an approach disc is one of the best in the game. That’s why everyone likes the Zone… low glide and overstable. This is the same just slower which means typically lower margin of error. I bag a Zone and Berg along with throwing putters and have been playing for 12 years. Politely and completely disagree with the “training wheels” comment. Why would anyone not want to be closer to the basket regardless of putting skill? The Pig also similar just faster and less torque resistant.
Yeah, the Pig is very similar, just a bit more speed and fade 👍
The Berg is a game changer to disc golf, just like the sand wedge was to golf. People complain at first, then before you know, everybody’s using it lol
The problem with what Robbie is saying yes, the berg doesn't fill ALL throwing putter applications, eventually you'll need to disc up, and that's his major hold up. As if like, that's not the case for literally every other disc. Just because you can throw a Grace for a specific shot, doesn't mean you can use it for all other shots, so you'll have to disc up to like a ballista or rive. That's just hate at this point because like I said, everything he said about the berg can apply to any other disc, the only issue is the berg is the shortest flying disc at 1/1/0/2.
And I literally disc up to the Reko and throw the same shot just 30-40 ft further lol
I bought my first berg last week. I played with it for the first time yesterday. It does not seem to go as straight as advertised. That is until you put the juice into it. Thrown hard, it was a laser beam that dropped out of the sky at the basket. I think the need to throw it hard is part of the opposition folks have to it. I am definitely not used to throwing hard for 200 ft upshots. But they did end up next to the basket when I did so. And they landed pretty flat. When I threw the berg at 50% like I would an envy or pixel, the disc would fade hard. I think there is room enough in my bag for this odd flight characteristic. More testing must be done.
especially when you have 20-30 slots in most bags or carts.
Exactly, and he contradicts that argument himself when he then says “well if you need to flick a putter, you can just add a Harp” like that is exactly what your argument AGAINST the Berg was, that you need to add an extra disc??😂
@@giggusmaximus2167 I throw, trash panda inner core ice for 75-100’ upshot’s and Baseline inner core for 100-200’
I bag a K1 soft Berg. I love it because it’s reliable. Never had a rollaway. Never had it skip way past the basket, even on hard ground covered in pine straw. It’s like lawn darts. I can go for throw-ins without being afraid of it going 50 feet long if it misses.
The berg will never leave my bag. The guys you mentioned, Luke and Andrew both throw the berg great in videos where they try hating on it.
Love the Berg. I used to throw the Nova, Ryno and Blowfly. The Berg just has better speed and distance control. Less susceptible to be affected by wind.
What makes the Berg special to me is forehand approach shots. I used to use an envy for forehand approaches and it worked well but it's also glidey and you need touch. The Berg is a fantastic forehand approach disc with way more torque resistance than the envy.
This 100% what I was gonna say. I suck at forehands in general but for some reason with the Berg it makes me look like a forehand master on approachs lol
Me too
@@Ryan-gx2vf same here
I appreciate the video and the shout out Robbie, and it has given me my next big video idea. :D To be continued... ps. Flick putts rule... sometimes. Go Bergs!
K1 Soft Berg...... Smooth forehands from 50 to 200 ft. Just goes straight and sits down. Absolute stroke saver! Berg/Jarn combo is straight money!!! 😂
As a berg lover myself, I will say that it does what Robbie said. I was using my berg for upshot’s and putting, but recently I have changed up my styles and “have taken off the training wheels”. Do I still bag my berg? YES. Will it ever completely come out of my bag?NO. There’s times that I need a touchy forehand or anhyzer shot that the berg just does so much better for me then any of my other disc. With this all being said, the berg is a great disc. It will always be a staple in my game and comes out on occasions when I need to lean into something I know better then other disc. Great video and still loving the content.
People complaining about the Berg and finding it “cheap” or like “straining wheels” is the exact same thing that happened with golf when the sand wedge was introduced…
“Wow that’s so cheap that players can get so much more spin and have the ball stop/backspin”. And then over time, everybody started carrying higher lofted wedges because they changed/improved the game.
The Berg is in the exact same situation. It’s the KING of approach discs because it changes/improves the game. Why have 4 approach discs when you can carry 1 or 2? Why have an approach disc that could leak right or left when you can simply go straight at it and avoid big mistakes?
Just our 2 cents on the matter!
The floater shot technique is game changing. I just started to do it and I love it!
Berg is a FH disc for me, but I'm a dominant FH player. So I'm not driving unless its under 250.
Its an approach disc mostly.
When you are scrambling out of the woods and you need that shot, the Berg and Arrow are my most loved.
I played 18 today and bag a berg used it 6 times for flick shot approaches and holed two out of six for birdies. Thanks for the video it really helped me decided to try the Berg today.
The Berg is a utility disc for me. I use it around water or ob lines to limit distance, especially on windy days. I get a consistent soft landing on 150-200ft shots without the chance of a wind bounce causing me to go 10-40ft long. It gets windy in Oklahoma.
Man after thinking about it, totally agreeing with the points Robbie is making here, and seeing the flights of the berg in this light, it's got me considering a lot of new ideas about the berg. When you combine the uniqueness of the handful and the uniqueness of the flight there's truly no disc quite like it, which could lead me to make a pretty wild statement here. I would have to say if i'm being honest, completely unbiased, and very positive, my true and real opinion is that the berg could possibly be the worst disc of all time.
It does an Anny FH approach better than any disc. It will hold the line and never flex out like other approach discs. I save strokes every round because of that.
i guarantee i have a disc that does the exact line thats not a berg, i promise. people like you are why people like me love to hate it 😂(i have 2, ive tried them, not for me). its not a magical disc that revolutionized the game(your game, maybe) by being the only one that does something. ill throw my base marvel, base proxy or hell even my glitch and replicate any shot you are talking about
@@jbirdfishesI won’t argue that, but I have never ‘overturned’ the Berg unlike a touch anny with a normal putter. I have thrown that shot up to ~175 max power with no overturn and holds the anny to the ground. It is magic for me and gets me out of so many tight spaces.
Just had an ace last weekend with a short downhill throw that typically I blow my putters way further than the basket. It fights to get to the ground fairly quickly and sticks where it hits, I love it for short downhill approach shots
I bag the Pig and the Berg for the exact same reason. They are both the safest predictable shots in my bag. If I master the Rollo it will go in my bag too. A mastered short straight, hyzer, and Ani shot. Berg, Pig, Rollo. One more thing, The Berg is the Nickleback of discs.
I'd love to know how the Berg Gang feels about Nickleback comparisons! Hahaha i'm here for it!
@@RobbieCDiscgolf Never made it as a wise man
Your trolling intro had me 😂
I use my berg for most shots mentioned in this video. I don't think it was mentioned in the video but the burg has a tendency to land flat when thrown flat, while most other discs typically land on some sort of angle, yes you can force those to land flat(call it a skill gap if you'd like). This makes it perfect for upshots with sloping greens. At my home course I use it for one specific hole, 270 foot down hill with a sloping green. I can throw the burg hard and flat give it a ace run and be with 10feet of the basket. Yes I can throw a zone or luna or any other putter and do the same thing, but the burg never rolls away for me. Plus its just a very fun disc to throw.
Hey Robbie. As a member of the Berg Gang, I really liked this video. Is the berg for everyone? No. But I think there are plenty of reasons to like the berg. I've been using the berg for about 2 and a half years now. I think scoring comes from trust in your discs, and I certainly trust the berg. Touchy approach shots? Berg. Short drives with OB past the basket? Berg. Tunnel shots that can't afford much side to side drift? Berg. Behind a bush and forced to stand out for a flick putt? Berg. Shockingly, I recently fell in love with another disc that I think is a natural extension to the berg. Robbie, you may have mixed feelings about this one. But its the pig. Yepp, recently became a pig farmer too. I bought my first pig on a whim a few weeks ago and from hand feel alone, it went straight into the bag for a tournament. Something about it (Your videos may have influenced me a bit) told me exactly how it would fit my game. I leaned on it a lot during that tournament despite never throwing it prior and it did so well! To me, it feels like a faster and more stable berg. That low glide and sticky plastic makes it deadly accurate! So I gotta propose an alliance between the Berg Gang and the Pig Farmers out there! Both of these discs can live in harmony with one another and deserve the following they have.
@@Excavion I am all for the Harmony!! I really tried to say over and over again that I think it’s a great option! Not my choice, but totally get and respect why so many folks love it!
I think you are spot on... well said.
Throwing a berg has made the putter throwing game much better. I've found myself throwing other putters much more smooth and far than pre-berg me.
I feel it comes down to if you want the discs to do the shot, or do you want to shape your shot. You can build a bag both ways. For me I like how the disc feels in the hand the most.
Haven’t watched the video and can answer with a resounding YES. YES, one should bag a Berg. I think it is more than the fact that it is a one speed. I think the strength of the Berg comes from the one glide.
I agree with this assessment for the most part but for me what makes the Berg is being able to throw it FH. No way I can throw an Aviar and Wizard for FH upshots. BH is a regular 3 speed putter for me and that anny touch shot shown in the video I use the Zone for more stability
I know a Berg shot when I see one.
You have to carry a Berg to execute a Berg shot.
look I use a Berg because its my short distance straight throw, and my putter again because of the air breaks helps me since i have switched to a spin putt and other discs will just keep flying past the basket. Also when I go out and do a one disc round the berg is what is always grab. It just wants to go straight, glowplastic is slightly over stable version, and a really beat up berg is slightly under stable.
I have different disc for different shots and the berg fits its shots better then other discs....
the biggest danger of a berg is it will roll a mile uphill,,, not really but it does like to stand up and start rolling if you are not careful.
I love the berg. I bag 3. I putt with a k3 and I have 2 others that are throwing putters. A k1 soft and a k1. I love them because they are predictable. Just figured out my anny putt with it and it gets much more glide. Ppl make fun of me but oh well.
I also use the pig. The both have a purpose. I don’t know shit though lol
i have one in the bag as a training wheel while my touch is coming back from a form change, but i am somewhat a minimalist and like my back and knees and will most likely remove it once my touch is back to an acceptable level. good video.
Are you gonna add a link to your Berg vs. Polecat video? Didn't the Polecat take an "L"?
😅😅😅 On a more serious note, I love your content.
I am having a fantastic day, thank you for asking.
I agree with your assessment of what the Berg does well. I do believe, however, that you missed the other shots that it does well as mentioned by others in the comments. Try it as a roller, FH anny, or BH hyzer. Your shots with the Berg were more consistent than the other discs you were throwing. I think you are in denial about how good the Berg really is and that it deserves a spot in your bag.
The Berg community is full of love, and redemption can be found within our community. I await the day that I can order my RobbieC Berg. I hope that your day is fantastic as well. 😉
What's interesting is I don't disagree with your overall take, but this video made mw want one.
I use the Berg when i decide to be a daredevil and trying to make a putt where you don't want to see it miss and glide in to the eternity on the backside. Or close to basket OB, or down a hill. With the Berg you kind of know you dare to go for it and it will drop dead not to far from the basket. I love the little bugger.
I used to not bag a berg, but when i got one it opened up a few things. No matter the power, it goes straight, and my glow berg even has some stability to boot. Forehand or backhand it goes straight. I can be an aggressive player at times, and this let's me go for throw ins much more safely from within 200 feet or so. There have been times where a throwing putter or a tactic type disc are just too fast, even on approaches. And if you power down you don't get the same control/fade. It's a unique shot, but you don't need one.
The name on the disc is much like the numbers of a disc, a guideline of what to expect. I've had multiple identical discs that flew very different from one another, and similar numbers that were night and day different. Point is, find a disc that feels good, and learn to throw it. Don't worry about what others think about your bag, play your game, try discs when you can, but don't expect the same disc to fly the same as the one your buddy let you borrow!
I can understand the training wheels thoughts about the Berg. Because I am a guy without any real throwing experience, who picked up the sport at 30, and can only be a weekend warrior I will take all the help I can get and I think the Berg does that. It doesn't mind that I throw it hard to make gaps and can handle my OAT and still fly straight .
My OS approach is a Gateway Devilhawk. For me, my berg is basically a straight Devilhawk that can hold an anny. They’re an unbeatable pair for forehands.
Recently started bagging berg and love it especially for down hill shots I need to sink right at the basket and not 30 ft long
I really like how it doesn’t fade and instead just drops
I bag a BEOrg, Glitch, a “throwing putter” and an Area 51… everything has its purpose.There is one shot with the Berg nobody ever talks about and that is the dead straight roller for escape or for really low ceilings. The Berg is really a good option for some downhill holes up to about 300-ish feet. We have one here that is 280 and about 50 feet DOWNHILL. A light flick of the wrist and the disc does the work. Why don't I throw a grenade or tomahawk? How many years of pitching/tennis/golf/ice hockey/surfing damage does your shoulder have? Mine has plenty... and I've yet to figure how to keep any gliding putter from not going into the bushes long even when throwing on a downhill angle (hits and rolls).
So, the biggest problem i have with people who say that you shouldn’t bag a berg, is the types of arguments they use and how often they contradict themselves.
Example, the argument with “what happens when you comes to a 280ft hole, then you need to add an extra putter you can throw far with”, but then you use that same argument but now in favor of the regular putter when it comes to overstable shots or forehand approaches, “you can just add a Harp🤷♂️”.
Also, you can throw the Berg far, look at Tobias Söderqvist (sweden) on youtube, he throws it on any hole that is up to 90m (295ft) with perfect precision.
Also, the argument that you can’t be touchy with a berg is ridiculous, you can be touchy with any disc and theow it soft, it is literally what the berg does amazingly, alot of players runs the basket from anywhere inside 100ft with touchy upshots, wich is something you can in fact do with the berg that you can’t with other discs if you don’t wanna risk going to far away from the basket.
Also, why would you not want to bag a disc that you can throw on any angle in any conditions?
You can’t do that with regular “touchy” putter, like in a headwind from 250, you’re never gonna throw a beat up aviar with precision, but you can with a berg.
Also, why would you not want to bag a disc where you can minimize the amount of slots you need to fill?
You yourself have tought that?
Instead of having one putter each for stable forehand shots, understable forehand shots, straight backhand shots, understand turnover backhand shots, onlverstable backhand shots, you can have all in these in one disc.
You can even throw rollers with it when you need to go through bushes.
Like your arguments for why you shouldn’t bag a berg, contradicts everything you taught out over the years.
And it’s not a beginner disc, Joseph Anderson who just won on idlewild bags a berg, Eric Oakley and Scott Stokely bags a Berg, a lot of pros in sweden and the rest of scandinavia uses the berg.
The reason more pros on the pro tour doesn’t is because they aren’t allowed to.
I’d argue pro’s have even more of a reason to bag a berg, since you can use it for every single shot type inside 300 feet, and the got the power to throw it 300+ with accuracy.
The other thing I love about my Berg is that when you throw it anhyzer it stays on the line amazingly. Oddly enough, sometimes the hyzer just stays tilted but stays straight, but the anhyzer Berg is a thing of beauty!
Could that behavior be due to the nose angle?
@@sunesnigel Maybe!
i will say i bag a couple throwing putters along with the berg and i do love the berg for those forehand upshot’s it’s been in my bag for a while now and will most likely stay there i agree i don’t like how much power i have to give it as a putting putter
This is the Alton Brown "Unitasker" argument, and I think that's perfectly fair.
I’ve never thrown a berg, but I do have a lone star armadillo. I found that having it in the bag was pointless. I can achieve the same thing with any other putter and not take up space in my bag. I use a star aviar for those 150ft and in straight shots where I can’t swing the disc wide, and either a pig or zone for every other approach.
As I’ve gotten better at the game I’ve switched away from the berg for most approaches, but the berg x is a really comfortable scoober disc so it stays in my bag.
As a mike and a berg lover, I'm doin GREAT!!!!
The answer is always, yes … you should bag a Berg!
haven't watched the vid yet, but im coming home from a 9 month deployment in gemany. bought a berg with voucher money right before i left and have yet to throw it. looking forward hearing your thoughts on it
i generally try not to watch your vids, but i saw the berg things and was waiting for you to butcher another berg review. It must get good engagement because i see these same views every once in a while but almost all dg channels have some sort of video on the berg.
off the top almost every one is carrying a bag that holds 20-25 discs. You dont need to have 1 throwing putter, thats why the berg gets a slot, among other putters. want more distance off the tee, put an envy, pure or numerous other putters that have more glide and you can dial in the stability to your own taste. I carry 2 proxys for putting, 1 glow proxy for throwing straight, 1 envy for throwing further and more OS, and a berg. Berg is just easier to throw shorter than the proxy or envy, my max distance with the berg is just shorter than the other 2 options.
Then you have the crutch/training wheel argument, again a bad argument. Both of those are add ons to correct a certain problem. A Berg is a disc like a destroyer or a tee bird or a zone, its a disc, its pdga legal, and they aren't oop. They go mainly straight as you detailed in the throw with the trees in the way. You perfectly illustrated it with your throws the wizard got up there but look how it faded and ended up under some bushes. Thats a key for me, instead of worrying about bad finishes,as in l i didn't get that flat or had too much hyzer, ill throw straight at it with a berg.
Yes you can get a similar flight from throwing with angles, back loading grip, etc, thats intermediate to advanced stuff, but if all it gets you is a similar shot to the berg, does it make sense to try to control those angles when you have something you dont have to control said angles?
the flick is a good point, its what i learned to flick on because of the large rim. You show the flick to run at the basket, but you also have a flick that can get around trees/corners on a high anny and land flat on very short shots of say 100 ft. Can you do that with other discs? of course but their glide is often going to make the turn later and the disc goes further. With the large rim its easier for me to get the angle right and not turn it over, although like any disc, it will turn if put on too much angle.
YOu also missed that it's a great forehand roller disc for scrambles with the big rim that acts like a tire. Again for longer forehand rollers, i might use a zone to get 100 more feet, but generally when im talking scrambles its 75-100 ft. Its just shorter and most people arent playing pro level distance courses. In my experience its gonna be mainly 300-400 holes with about 3-5 under 280 ft and about 3-5 over 400 ft. In those distances its very easy to throw 50-150 from the basket, the berg throw is just obvious.
On throwing full power, some people over do it, i notice most young guys do it more often because they dont have the fear of their arm falling apart. One guy i play with throws legit 400-450 off the tee, and i gave him a berg, which he wasnt into too much. I see him about 6 months later and hes throwing a berg. First thing he says, 'power control', which makes sense. throwing close to full power is much easier that throwing 50-60-70%, it just is. if you are getting in 3-5 rounds a week and some field work, maybe you perfect your touch, but even taking time off can throw that touch off. Most people are not gonna get 3-5 rounds in for the rest of their DG life, so that touch really comes and goes.
you also gave the concept of cycling pigs, which is cool, but with a berg, at any stage of wear, it flies like a berg. its not any more understable after a few hundred rounds. Most people either like k1 or k3, and some say one or the other is more OS, but still there isnt much of a fluctuation like. driver or even mid with long term wear. You dont have to look at domey-ness or plastic or run. ive gone from z to crystal flx back to z zones in the last year and even that consistent mold has slight variations that are much greater than any k1 or k3 berg.
the biggest mistake i see with most of these berg vids, like yours, is you dont throw it and you make it out like its a negative, even though it consistently does what it does more often than almost any disc on the market. In reality, outside of just hating the hand feel, it makes the MOST sense to have a disc to very faithfully rely on. The great molds like the buzz, the teebird, eagle, wraith & destroyer all are great and copied because they do what they do very consistently although even those molds arent as consistent as the berg. Even all those molds most people covet more after a year of play when they are seasoned. The berg is out of the box, exactly what it is.
Forehand! Berg is great up to 200 feet. It does not fade. It sits. beyond that you need one of the other 20 discs in the bag!
You come across, maybe in a manner you don't even intend, as extremely negative, or condescending, about the Berg. That's the whole video in general, but specifically at around the 15:50 mark. I feel you're asking the wrong question. Instead of need to take extra time to get an Aviar or Wizard to do whatever it is you want it to do, why on earth would someone not use a disc (the Berg) that already gets the desired result? Baseball players use a bat to hit the ball; they could learn to use their heads, but the process is a bit more painful. As a club leader, I teach new players to use a disc for a particular shot that they can duplicate. After all, if the success can't be duplicated - basically wishful thinking each throw - there's not much point. I don't understand how content creators increase their credibility by reviewing discs - positively or negatively - that they acknowledge they don't ever throw except for 5-6 times on camera. The admission all but invalidates the opinion (in my opinion).
@@kspraddiscgolfguy totally fair points! I am sorry it came across as extremely negative. You are right that was not my intention! I certainly made a few jokes early, but wanted to be very intentional about explaining the validity of the berg. I think saying comparing the Berg to a Wizard and hitting a Baseball with your head is a little extreme, but I love the idea of teaching consistency with shots. While I am more familiar with throwing a wizard which showed in the video with my ability to throw consistent shots, I am not a stranger to the berg either. I have undoubtedly thrown the wizard more, but I have also thrown the berg a considerable amount. 🤣🤣 funny enough that Berg is from a two round tournament where we only played with Bergs. I tried to make sure that I said multiple times in the video that I do not think there is anything wrong with bagging a berg if you are looking for those shots. My belief and hope for others though is that I believe you unlock even more scoring potential by pushing the boundaries of other discs is all! But I’m not gonna say people are wrong or fools for bagging one! Just trying to present the other side of the coin!
@@RobbieCDiscgolf @RobbieCDiscgolf thank you very much for responding. I appreciate it. My baseball example was simply meant to illustrate a "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" approach. If the Berg works for a player, there's not a real good reason for that player to seek success for the same type of shot from another disc.
As for you noting in your comment above that you "have ... thrown the Berg a considerable amount ..." that is different than what you convey in the video above. At the 17:54 mark, you say about the Berg: "I do not throw often at all. I pretty much only throw Bergs on video."
Around the 11:30 mark you ask a question to the effect of, "what if my Berg is my main throwing putter and I'm on a 280-foot hole?" Well, my disc golf community might be different from yours in terms of ability and experience, but no one I know who throws the Berg on a regular basis (staple the bag) tries to throw it from the tee pad nearly 300 feet. There are other discs for that. Focusing on what the Berg doesn't do well is kinda silly ... I mean, no one putts with a Destroyer, but I'd say a Destroyer has a spot in many players' bags. Right?
Around that same 11:30 mark, after you throw it from the 280-ish foot tee pad, you highlight that the Berg is the furthest from the basket. But that's not the issue - or, at least, it was not the issue when you threw the Berg the first time in the video. That time, you noted the Berg was, in fact, closest to the pin - but then dismissed that, saying you only want your approach shots to be close enough to be able to comfortably putt. So, which is it? Do you want the closest shot consistently, or a comfortable putt?
Hyzer shots - and being able to throw out wide and/or high - are great. But there are a great many courses that have trees or other obstacles that don't consistently allow for such shots. The Berg is a reliable disc for many who choose to learn how to use it (coupled with a positive mindset).
And finally, you sound very condescending (intentional or not) when you talk about "if you don't want to put in the work" and do this "as a hobby" ... But why would a player put in the extra work with a different disc looking for a result that one is already getting from the Berg?
Just recently became a Berg guy! I love mine personally!
My main disc for upshots has always been an Aviar X3.
For a while, I was having issues with the disc gliding way past the basket too often with that disc.
I put a Berg in my bag and was extremely happy with it.
However, I haven't touched the Berg in months. The Aviar X3 has been working fine for me to the point I've contemplated taking the Berg out of the bag, or making it a utility disc.
I do love the thumb track of the Berg though. And it is the amazing K1 plastic. It does feel great.
I use the flick of the wrist with the berg I love it.
Also love it for death approach shots. Just gives me the confidence to throw it
I was a little surprised that you didn't mention how well the Berg plays on a death putt/approach from 100 feet in. It does hold hyzer and anhyzer lines, and then falls flat and never rolls. I do use the A3 for my putter/approach as well, but it can end up rolling on me. Thanks for all of the discussion though. You really do make those approach straight-ins look easy!
Good video, but it feels like you overlooked the fact that the Berg gets very little ground play, it just stops where it hits better than anything else I've ever thrown, especially on slopes and uneven ground.
I keep at least 3 in my berg pocket at all times
I too fancy cargo pockets!
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Funny, you saying No to the Iceberg, and throwing all of the shots that it has, has made me want to get one, because I've always felt that this kinda disc would be exactly what I'm looking for in a few shots on some courses I frequent! I'm a noob, and I've found some nice success leaning into disc construction to make the shots I want, and this might be perfect for me. Good video! Very informative. Love your content dude!
@@Rukazor if you don’t have this shot in your game, this disc will certainly bring it quickly!
I have a Berg in my bag. Honestly, I don't really like it that much but I use is exactly as Robbie demonstrated. Throw it like a brick lol. My Lat64 KT Pure feels kinda similar, it also just drops out of the sky but it feels much worse in my hand.
Thanks for trying to be as objective as possible in that video :-)
1 topic you didn't mention at all, and probably because your Berg is in the "wrong plastic", is the ground play, or lack thereof.
It looks like you have never tried a K1 Soft Berg, else you'd remember it, and you would have brought this up.
I'm a 2-year covid MA3 Player throwing 300-ish (for context), and my Berg has been the disc with which I've had the most successful throw-ins (forehand flicks for most of them), or the most unsuccessful throw-ins that left me with a tap-in ant not a stressful comebacker. Even for jump putts, if you miss, it just sits.
Humour us, get a K1 Soft and try to have it skip / roll on any hard ground.
K1 Soft Berg is always next to my "throwing approach premium plastic" disc in my "approach bag pocket", currently a Get Freaky Zone. It's not replacing, it's complementing.
Throwing putter is an Eternal Lasso (Envy-like), because a 3 speed goes farther than a brick 🙂
I love the Beetle for my 1-speed approach. Inside 100ft, it does what you ask it to. I only backhand, and with that nose up toss, the Beetle will hold hyzer, straight or anhyzer as needed. I've tried the Berg and the Spore, but they never quite leave me with the tap in like the Beetle.
😂 Robbie: like the way it feels
Robbie: just freaking parks every shot that is an actual Berg-able throw
Also Robbie: nope… don’t like it
Make it make sense
I kid, but also don’t understand why you’d make life harder for yourself. If there’s a disc that just does the thing, why not bag it instead of forcing another disc to do the thing
@@rusticoaf to me it truly comes down to the statement, “an actual Berg-able throw” while the Berg did it’s job extremely well, my Wizard wasn’t far off of any shot and in several shots is comparable if not better. Yet when something comes up like Hole 2 I can still throw my Wizard and build extra confidence with it rather than only going to that approach type disc for more niche or Berg-able throws. I do think it does what it does extremely well, so I hope this video didn’t come out as a hate piece! Just not for me when I find it more fun/comforting to throw other discs for this shot!
@@RobbieCDiscgolf fair. For myself, at that 280 range, I’m going to grab a mid anyway. I can get a PA-5 or Shaman out that far, but in general, those aren’t my go to discs.
@@rusticoaf I wish I had the arm to pump a Berg like 350! Hahaha it would probably lead to some crazy cool shots!
The Berg is specially good when you're playing in tight woods and don't really have the space for another disc to move left or right down the fairway.
Great when you have some light foliage and just wanna blast right through it 😂
Also there's no other plastic like K3 Hard on the market, super stiff and super durable.
The Berg flight is similar to the Aerobie Arrows. Only if you have a stable Arrow, many of the Arrows were understable. Purple seemed to be the most understable. (Comes from a Arrow fanatic, I should have kept more of them)
I always have an Arrow and glow Berg in my bag. I love them both for the brake effects.
berg forehand from 120 and in is kinda sick. I personally like having a berg and multiple other 3 speeds for different flights and distances. However, i can see it not being for everyone.
Only throw ins I’ve had are with bergs, switched to the armadillo this season and I haven’t had much luck yet. I’ve just heard a lot of hate for it so I wanted to try something new, but maybe I’m a berg guy which is something I maybe shouldn’t be proud about 😂 I got my older brother a berg and I haven’t heard anything so I don’t think he’s a fan😂😂
First off I love your stuff, big fan. That said, I'm a big believer in "Throw the disc you like that does what you want" - much like pineapple on pizza, well done steaks, or whisky in cola - if that's how you like the thing, then you do you.
If you have a disc that flies the way you want it to, and does the thing you want it to do, use it. Why 'learn to throw another disc to do the same thing' - by that logic I can take a and learn to do all the things with it, and just force it to do what I want. (one disc bag baby!)
Would I throw a berg on a 280 ft hole? (hole 3) nope, but I wouldn't throw my throwing putter on that either, I'm a noodle arm and 300 is me on a full yeet, and that takes me throwing a driver. If I were limited to a shoulder bag, where I had 5-6 discs, it's unlikely that I would bag a Berg, as I'd need less discs to do multiple things. Thing is I'm not, I can carry my standard 13 disc bag and have the right disc for the job a throwing putter, a putting putter and 2 upshot discs (savior and berg) and use the one that's right for the line I have. and don't get me wrong, I can through the Pure on a stall, but if I mess up, it's easy for it to go loooong, but if I upshot a Berg on a death putt, then even if I over shoot, it won't be by much. Also you forgot one of the best things a Berg does, it's a fantastic high wind putter. - In the end throw what makes you happy. Thank you sir, you're appreciated!
Just to be clear for all comparison purposes….was that brick a PDGA approved mold?
Wanted a backup berg. Got one from the shop but it looked a bit crooked so I took a test shot at the nearby 18th hole basket, threw it in bout 120 feet first time out of my hand. Went in the bag.
I use the berg for risky approach shots where I don't want to overshoot but that's pretty much it.
I got my first pig today because of you. Its purple
@@mattrandall7836 welcome to the Pig Farm!
I bag Innova Pig, Rat, and Polecat for up shot sorts. I love Rat & Polecat but I think Rat is a great choice too.
I'm swell man thanks for asking!
You missed how fantastic the burg is as a roller out of trouble
Berg is a good forehand roller and backhand panning anhyzer. It is terrible at hyzers.
I've been throwing dx Aviars for a long time. I always try to buy products made in the US.
I can't believe you compared a disc in K3 plastic to the trashiest plastic of all time in DX. 🤣
I see time and time again people working hard to express their objections to the Berg. Whatever their reasoning they nearly always exhibit better approaches with the Berg than whatever they have to master to get the same result. The real reason they want to object to it is that the Berg is to disc golf what Nickelback is to rock. It’s popular to hate on the Berg. I give Robbie credit though, he is at least the most respectful in his objections. We did see that your Berg shots were all money though Robbie 😉
I never throw the berg as my first shot it’s always for a backhand turnover for a recovery or for a safe plop by the basket and it’s almost always a good shot
Yes, I’m doing fine today.
This whole "people are only throwing the Berg full-power" thing is the worst criticism of the Berg because that's not how we're using it.
Berg is never not in my bag, including when I travel with just 8-10 discs. It hold angles for finesse landings like no other disc.
How are you doing today Robbie, you having a good one?
Having a great one indeed!!
All I hear is that I should take out my Pig and add the Berg, right? Or am a wrong... this is so diffcult. jkjk, I got my Glow Berg at home and it might take a place in the bag one day, the space it uses makes for a weight reduction of 175 grams in the bag due to the 2 discs it will replace space-wise is great from the getgo :P
I was so worried about your elbow when you started to backhand a brick...
Polecat does the air break feature for me all day. Polecat is OP
I've never even thrown a 1 speed disc before to be honest. Also low glide discs do my brain in a bit. Spent so much time looking for more glide for more distance. Zone was my lowest glide disc until this year when I started using sokibomb slammers. Talk about a brick, that really is one 😂 so I now understand why people would like a berg. Hell I'd probably like it myself. I'm just poor and the Berg hasn't made it into the cart during the 2 or 3 times a year I get to try a new disc.
I bag a Berg because the Midwest is windy AF.
I throw a Berg, it's for when I'm not feeling comfortable overly powering down to compensate for glide n skip and messing with my timing.
Upshot form is just as important as driving form, but they are different, and it's super super easy to shank your apprach 50 feet into the woods because your timing was off while trying to down tempo.
With the berg, you aim at the basic and throw it, your body will give it the correct amount of power naturally because it's a brick.
Ive given the Berg a fair shot, own 2. Its not for me. It doesnt do anything special enough for me that I cant do with another disc.
You looking at it wrong bro just like a lot of people, these are not your friends they are your tools! End of story when I beat you cause I have all the tools in my bag and you don't and y would there even be a main throwing putter? I use keystone and spin for under stable, berg x and proxy for stable and zone and zone os for over stable. Putt with medium keystones. My feelings are you want all tools you can have, I carry 25 discs by the way lol.
Where did you get that berg? 😍
Think you gave off a vibe of you can use the berg if you are lazy and don’t want to learn how to play disc golf the correct way, which I’m not sure you meant to do. Maybe you did.
Yo Robbie, that chili pepper 5 panel hat is 🔥
@@stefandomagalski3722 Cardinal Discs!!
Thumbs up if this vid sold you on the Berg 😆
Love ya, RC!
the toro is my berg
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Flies like a brick!! Great demo.🎉