The Ferrari of Motorcycles - MV Agusta 500 Three - Isle of Man TT
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- Опубліковано 26 лип 2024
- Giacomo Agostini, Mike Hailwood, Joey Dunlop, John McGuinness. The Isle of Man TT is like nothing else on earth. A true throwback to what racing originally was. Fast flat-out competitions on open roads, no safety to speak of. Although the Snaefell Mountain Circuit has been recreated for a few sims, the true way to experience the Isle of Man and appreciate everything it is about is on two wheels. Isle of Man TT Ride on the Edge 2 is a sim which came out in 2020, and in my opinion does everything right when it comes to replicating the feel of the TT. Motorcycle sim racing is rewarding, challenging and most importantly a fun change of pace from the normal. Lapping something as beautiful as the MV Agusta is just the cherry on top.
A first for me to do something on two wheels, I hope everyone enjoys!
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0:00 Intro
5:47 MV Agusta 500 Three
7:25 Control Explanation
9:32 IoM Lap
29:40 Final Thoughts - Ігри
MV Agusta is really more like Maserati. Once great, a hero of the vintage era, but only fringe relevance today. A brand that is actually more similar to Ferrari would be Ducati
With MV Augusta, the F in F4 literally means Ferrari, as one of the relatives of Enzo himself designed the engine. Ducati is more like a Nespresso-branded motorcycle 😜
@@rarewhiteape And if I slap together a moped in the garage and put a "B for Bugatti" in its name, would that make it more of a Bugatti?
Why so much reverence for Ferrari and disdain for Ducati anyway? I'd take a Ducati over a Ferrari any time of day...
@@getsideways7257 The thing is, there's not disdain for Ducati... MV augusta, Ferrari... They're like the La Marzocco or Gaggia of coffee machines, while Ducati is Nespresso. Sure, nespresso is fancy, functional, sexy and tasty... But it isn't old school Italian espresso.
@@danielsoriente2426 Except Ducati precedes both Agusta and Ferrari by some twenty years, but sure - it's a "Nespresso of motorized vehicle manufacturers"...
@@getsideways7257 MV was founded in 1945, and Ducati Meccania was founded in 1954, and Enzo had been actually racing since the 1920's... The bloodline and pedigree of MV is proper old-school.
I had the honor to meet and personally talk with the legend of two-wheels motorsport, Agostini, at the Varano de Melegari autodrome here in Italy. A great rider and a great person as well, like all the good ol' gentleman racers of 60s and 70s...
Ago's records always astonish me.
@@michaelkitchin9665 like for f1 and sport cars of today: some people here in Italy compared him to Valentino Rossi before his "downfall" which, they said some years ago, was at the same level of "Ago" and was about to surclass him. But what they didn't count is the HUGE advantages that the tech and electronics gave in half a century of racing history - and that the races themselves are on a compleately whole new level in terms of safety and layouts... c'mon, how can we compare a random racer of the 60s/70s, running still on drum beakes ready to fade away in any moment, in tracks that were semi-permanent circuits spanning across everyday roads with straw bales as the side of the track to the racers of today (except for the TT - that "Vale" never ran or, if I remember well, he only did some pratice laps at "cruising" speed)? Ago's victories, among the ones of his rivals, were at least 10 times more difficult and dangerous compared to today's standards, and therefore, a MotoGP Champion of the 60s and 70s, counts at least 10-15 times as a top-notch rider of today.
I think we can all agree on that...
@@michaelkitchin9665 And I said what I said as the 24 yo guy that I am - that grew up seeing the rise and the "yellow Doctor" Legend and wad heavely influenced by that. Let's be clear...
@@grandicellichannel Yep. You can't entirely compare the two as there's no equal footing throughout history. Agostini's dominant stretch from 68-70 is unlikely to ever be beaten. To win every world championship race he entered in a three year stretch is amazing.
I go the TT every year and have had the pleasure of riding the mountain section without speed limits on my CBR1000RR. It's a strange feeling legally whizzing past a police car at the Bungalow at 100mph. They make it one way from Ramsay to Creg Ny Ba but there's always still accidents. Love the channel, man and I'd love to see more 2 wheeled content.
i did some road racing on a 750 Kawi in my youth and i gotta say the guys who ride this event are insane, boarding on having a death wish
If TrackDayR is able to get Jim Pearson’s IOM with his blessing into the game and it’s as open to mod support as it’s shaping up to be, I like to think we will be able to do proper classic races on the TT in a few years, one can only dream!
Watching the bike go through the tunnels of trees lining the straights was absolutely mesmeric and hypnotic.
Playing this circuit on a gamepad is tough enough - imagine what could be done with a full motorbike sim rig. I wonder if such a thing is available, short of re-engineering an old Super Hang-On arcade cabinet.
Best way to experience this in real life is a small motor scooter, completley flat out at 56mph with the bars shaking round british countryside roads.
Agreed. Even a riding lawn mower can be a blast and a challenge to operate when done so at the limits of its capabilities.
Oh my heart you crossed over to motorcycle racing and did it justice! You’re very knowledgeable and can speak authoritatively about this awesome circuit while riding and not crashing. Holy hell man, mad respect. I love your channel, keep it up!
Wow, the air wooshing through and enveloping the helmet is very well simulated.
Gotta leave a belated thank you. Would have never tried my wheel on a motorcycling game, but it controls great! Way better than with a controller. Really enjoying finally learning the Mountain Course by heart.
glad you’re enjoying it!
Now yer talkin'! I love the TT. I currently own a Triumph Daytona 675R. Defending supersport champion at the tt. :) No one knows what exhilaration is, until you do 160mph on 2 wheels, that only has the grip the size of 2 or 3 fingers wide. Jacob, you did a great job of explaining how a bike is ridden.
God I love the tt. Been watching it from s young age. Them men got balls heavier than tanks as they jump into corners like get off the ground then land and turn in at high speeds. Tt is in a league of it's own nothing is more dangerous.
I remember buying this game months ago on Steam and just finishing the whole TT, not matter the final position, is a brutal challenge. Makes you appreciate a lot the effort of those riders who risk their lives in this race.
I'm gonna installing again because i liked the whole concept of game. It's difficult, but surviving the TT is extremely satisfying.
Man I love the TT and follow the Race every year since 2014. I First take contact with the TT in 2007 but take seven years tô start follow-up. Thx for this vídeo, I love tour work.
I’m now totally convinced that I would never want to ride a motorcycle above 70mph. That stuff is just mental!
I had he honor to host Ago when he came to Hawaii on his way back from Japan after testing the Yamaha 4 ready for Daytona in 74, where Ago won. We had a week together as my wife and I took him around Oahu to see the sights and where and what to enjoy, first was Hawaii food. Ago and his side kick bodyguard and childhood friend for life Luigi . I was sales manager for the Yamaha distributor on Oahu and when I had a telix come across my desk that he was coming and would we take care of him. We were givin two TX500 Yamaha motorcycles to enjoy and means for transportation. Needless to say we had a wonderful time and we are friends to this day.
Such a monster of a track and this game nails the sense of speed perfectly.
Completing one lap here without crashing is an achievement by itself.
Hey there and thanks to you, GPLAPS, for another fantastic video. 👍🏻 Last week I had the opportunity to drive the track with my Ducati 900 SS and so one of my childhood-dream becoming true. 🙂
This…. This was a gift from god. After suffering from heat exhaustion from moving my fully furnished apartment and sweating through a comforter and dry heaving all night. I’m blessed with a GPLaps video helping me recover that’s also showcasing the legendary Guy Martins playground. I can’t begin to thank you enough.
Ps: I’m getting Mike Gardiners book as well, that will be such a fascinating read when it arrives!!!
Another great sim racing world for us to explore. Thanks Jake. Great video.
Whew...what a run! You said it won't be too fast and this is,with all due respect,not a fast bike,but I still felt like I had to sweep some flies off my glasses at the end.
My first exposer to "THE ISLE OF MAN TT"?
Suzuki Superbikes 1 and 2 for the PS2
made by Jester/Valcon Games in the early 2000's....
Love popping in the fist one (disc game) and taking a lap around the iconic circuit; very enjoyable.....
Wish someone would bring out a motorbike handlebar controller again. They had one for PS2. Yamaha I think it was. They're available still but either hard to get, expensive or both. You could link then to pc with an adapter ps2-pc adapter.
I really loved the PS2 TT games. In Real Road Racing (2nd) they had Ulster GP and North West tracks plus Oliver's Mount and Macau. So wish they would add at least Ulster and the North West to this game.
I'm also a fervent fan of the old classic gp500 game too. So wish there'd been a classic motorcycle racing game made like GPL. Now that would have been cool. Riding against the likes of Sheene, Roberts, Schwantz or Rainey. Also like the free ride option in this IOM game. Especially when you can take the classic bikes out for a Sunday ride on some Irish country lanes. Then back to your garage for tea 😃
Nice video, great watch and we'll enjoyed.
I am not into motorcycles.
But, I love the Isle of Man Tourist Trophy. And anyone plying that daunting course year after year had my huge respect.
When Mike Hailwood rode for MV Count Agusta paid him a retainer every year do drive the F1 car he always spoke of building but never did. A Formula One MV Agusta, would love to have seen, and heard, that!
Road Racing is still very popular in Ireland, with some of the regular well known circuits within an hour of Dublin city. It would be great to have them laser scanned and added to a similar sim.
Im a car guy through and through but have a massive soft spot for the IOMTT. Fantastic video as always! How do you not have more subs!
Same these guys got huge balls
What a great showcase of this track and game, thanks. 5 people dead during this years Isle of Man TT. Can you believe that in 2022? I think this game will become a historical snapshot of an extinct race very soon. Never underestimate the right of a man to die pointlessly for sport, and inflict huge pain and suffering on his family. 2022 era motorcycles are just not compatible with 1800 era walled lanes and villages.
Brilliant content Jake, keep it up!
Whoa - what a treat! I got scared just watching this video. Cannot believe they are really still racing there.
Great video as always
I’m a simple guy. I see GPLaps upload I click like and watch
Very nice video and well ridden. I'm ironically a two wheel enthusiast who dips her toe into the four wheeled sim world for variety and fun. So we are 'opposites' you and I but we overlap and 'meet in the middle' and both enjoy the 'craic'.
I'm enjoying your channel a lot!
Loved it thanks Jake.
Yet another great drive. I'll bet most of the other sim racing channels watch your videos. All out speed, or close to it, and a history lesson too! What's not to love?
😲Damn! That looked pretty fast to me 👍excellent video.
Awesome video. More bikes please!
i love what you do with the history of four wheels but i have to admit like some people my love for racing began with two wheels, this was cool i do hope you do more two wheeled content in the future
The foam and the hay bales have nothing to do with protection for the riders, they are to protect the lamp standards and stone walls from the riders. True comment from a local to an acquaintance.
I live on the Isle of Man, so seeing that you'd uploaded this was a nice surprise 👍
I hope I pronounced everything correctly! let me know it any of its miles off!
@@GPLaps haha no, don't worry nothing was miles off! You actually did very well. "Balla" (as in Ballagarey etc) is the Manx word for farm or place and is pronounced in the same way you'd pronounce the "alla" part of "Talladega" or "Tallahassee". The exception to this rule is "Ballaugh" which is pronounced "Ba-laff". The Glen Helen Inn/hotel, which is to the right of the road (the building on the left is just someone's house) actually shut in 2014. However, it has been replaced by "glamping pods". You should definitely try and get over for the races and going off your penchant for classics, you'd definitely enjoy the Classic TT/Manx Grand Prix, which is held on the Mountain Course every August. The MV you showcased in this video actually takes part in the Classic TT.
I Marshall the TT. Have been for the last 7 years
Nice video... hope you make more content about bike racing.
I'm do some RL track day and small displacement amateur racing but, for me, the Ride series is the more real I can get in a videogame. I was aways curious about this IoM2 game, but believe that it could be more frustrating than fun. Even you are slow at some segments, you aced in this video... don't believe I could even finish one lap without crashing a lot... lol
Cheers!
I would absolutely watch an IoM hotlap stream.
OK here's the funny thing - looking at that on the screen that scares me - yet on a real bike it would not. Weird! Anyway this looks awesome and i'm now thinking of trying it. Thanks hon X
Love your video’s❤️
The Island of Man TT is without doubt The Greatest Show on Earth …
Great video as usual.
Other then all the Road Rash games my heart doesn’t beat motorcycles like it does cars. I’ve never had any desire to ride one or know anything about them. It’s kinda strange really as I should love them.
I have watched the TT and it’s very entertaining. Crazy sh*t
I'm not a motorcycle guy, but it's still interesting. And this was as entertaining and informative as always.
The game seems interesting. I knew it exists but I never really looked into it.
I always avoided Motorbiking sims since I hate using Gamepads. And a Keyboard or Mouse is even worse. But the idea of just using the steering wheel is utter genius.
I play this on PS4, love it! The track is all sorts of awesome but it's also the hardest racing i've ever tried, when you're going fast, if you hesitate... you die... Never met anyone playing it online though :(
That is no mean feat, well done mate.
@19.52 i genuinely clenched. great stuff man.
steam controller with steering on the giro control would be great for this.
Actually you don't control a motorcycle with your "body" or weight shift. You control it through counter steering at all speeds above 12 mph. You push forward on the right handle bar to turn right and push the left handle bar to turn left. Your body might be used to get the bike to tolerate a greater lean angle than it otherwise would, but essentially you steer with your arms/hands. Pushing right initially slightly turns the machine to the left but that creates a right sided lean which converts to a right turn, and vice versa when turning left.
Another good one.
The textures and lighting on this really are excellent. I especially like the stone textures, particularly on the exposed rock on some of the hillsides. A lot of sims and arcade racers do that look poorly, where it can seem rather foamy, like, literally, the shaped foam you might use to do landscape features on a model railroad.
What other, real circuits does this have? I know there's Billown and Jurby South on IoM itself. And the biggies in Northern Ireland, to my knowledge, are Coleraine, Dundrod, and Mid Antrim.
Yeah, I can imagine the controls aspect is tricky business.
now this in VR, that would be great.
0:51
Actually you totally do steer a motorcycle, theres videos on youtube of people trying to steer bikes with their bodyweight only, it straight up doesnt work, I'm talking 3 or 4 seconds to turn in 20 degrees of lean.
Of course body position is still incredibly important (aero and center of mass changes are huge especially in motorsports like MotoGP and SuMo,) but when it comes to making the bike go the direction you want there is objectively no substitute for handlebar inputs.
Fun fact you actually steer left to lean right and vice versa, so the bar inputs for a right hand turn are as follows
Turn in: push on the right side of the bars (steering your front wheel left) this throws the bike over onto its right side and begins the turn
Sustain: let the bars find their balance (they will essentially do this on their own) and the bike will hold its lean angle
Corner exit: push on the left side of the bars (steering your front wheel to the right) standing the bike back up.
If you don't believe that you have to steer the opposite direction to lean on a bike go try it on your bicycle - or just google it and see like hundreds of videos about it idk
Anyway cool vid I just wanted to correct the "you dont steer a motorcycle" myth because its categorically false. Sorry if I came off as a dick, I genuinely love this channel!
One of my life long dreams is to go to the TT, and I've never even ridden a motorcycle before.
Damn, this video cost me 40 bucks. I have to say though, the game is pretty fun.
Now...Imagine doing this with a sidecar!!!
(Edit: I thought I was the only one to suggest these ideas below. But GPLaps briefly summarizes the same thing @8:53. Sorry, if you reply back with "He already said that" or something. I might have jumped the gun posting this info before watching the entire video, but you still might benefit from the detail I provided, as I explain WHY it works.)
I found the easiest way to play any motorcycle sim with a wheel, is to turn the steering lock setting WAY down to 180 degrees or less. (In the controller software, not in the game.) That way you are only turning the wheel left or right a small amount and emulating "lean" on a bike. Sounds dorky but I actually sit up in my chair and lean with the wheel only going 75 degrees each way. (I use a 150 degree lock setting for my G29) It really works!
Also, if different camera options are available, try not to use a camera that keeps the horizon level with your monitor (as GPLaps is doing), and sometimes even shows the handlebar and your arms leaning in the view. Your perspective will be messed up when judging the amount of lean in a turn. Sure you can use that camera style. But I find that the immersion factor is greater, and you can drive more accurately (faster lap times) with a camera FIXED to the bike's longitudinal axis and "rolls" the entire picture with the lean of the bike. Games that I found that have both these camera examples when riding motorcycles are The Crew or even GTA5. But in actual motorcycle racing SIMs, the "fixed" camera should be available. If not, then it's not a sim.
11:11 "Past the Gas Station". reminds me of the walkthrough commentary for the TT Superbikes game. It's about the one section I can remember.
Awesome to see motorcycle history from you.
Can you share your settings for the controls?
Never tried a motorcycling sim with a wheel
probably this is the only game that have squashed bugs and critters on your windshield
It's weird how there is so little overlap with the simracing car crowd. There have been quite a few motorcycle games over the years (some more arcade than others), but none are really that well known in the simracing crowd.
Some solution with our steering wheels for a controller (with ffb already built in) that all of us already have for car racing seems like and obvious one to me. I've seen a few examples but nothing that really got popular.
You would think a company like Fanatec that offers a new licensed car specific wheel seemingly every month now, would look into developing something like that, but nothing yet... I've been using my wheel and pedals for all sorts of motorcycle sims and games for years now, it works surprisingly well.
Funny thing is I got into motorcross before I got into simracing cars. Ik motorcross is different than super bikes on a road surface, but the history of motorcross is really interesting as it’s quite a newer sport compared to road racing super bikes. I would love to see a good historical motocross game.
The 33 Stradale of motorcycles.
ok, im getting this game 😀
Great vid man, I had a go of the first one in PS4, very difficult with a controller. Tempted to get for the PC, I presume there's no force feedback using the wheel, whilst od it must be way better than a tiny controller.
I think I recall something crazy like one rider dies a year at the Isle of Mann on average?
Im impressed. Picked it up cheap and wheel and pedals works well and this is from a biker! I think its the full motion of your arms that makes it feel instantly familiar. Can I ask your wheel settings for left and right though i cant get mine dialed in enough to be perfectly responsive?
I've got it set to 120 degrees of rotation, max sensitivity and no deadzone in the game
@@GPLaps Thank you that worked
The TT games are fun mostly, but the physics can leave a lot to be desired at times.
Mainly for me, Riding within the limits of reality is mostly fine, but as you get closer to the limit and beyond it the game struggles physics wise.
Overall the Old PlayStation 2 TT games by jester are much better games, handling etc and with real tracks as well as the TT course. (Not as fancy looking but still great to play, especially as you like classic Sims (on pcsx2 as well ;) )
In terms of motorcycle handling physics I'd reccomend GP Bikes, it's basically the motorcycle version of rFactor. Fully moddable, and coming to steam, when the mods are good the racing is second to none. Oh and it's got FFB on steering wheels (I know some fanatec users strapped custom handlebars on the quick release instead of a rim), and when combined with the virtual reality it supports it's awesome.
RiMS racing is kind of the successor to the TT games, and isnt too bad for that and a little bit beyond the milestone MotoGP and ride titles, and way beyond TrackDayR.
Agree with the lack of controller availability being a huge issue however. To the point I'm looking at making my own USB inputs to stick on my TX wheel using spares from my actual race bike.
The other thing is for me a lot of bike games are a lot of promises but very rarely meet expectations. But still, good to see this kind of stuff getting more coverage love it, and nice riding too !
@20:27 Yes, but you still can lift off the throttle and flick it in harder to get the corner.
Do you have any feedback from the bike?.......by shifting up\down?
Chain driving or cardan....lol
Any M.guzzi 750cc in this game?
ThnXs for the share.
On slow turns you will corner better if you let the rider sit up, keeping your weight over the bike, then tucking again past the apex on throttle. Looks like a great game. I was a big fan of Tourist Trophy (polyphony digital) on the ps2 but sadly didn't have the mountain course!
Does the second game have sidecars? I used to play Suzuki TT Superbikes Real Road Racing Championship for the PS2 but only on the sidecars because the bikes were too hard/weird to control. Then in the PC game Test Drive Unlimited I found that using a wheel to control the bikes worked well. Wish they would come out with an affordable but good handlebar + leaning type controller. From what I've read, on real bikes you have to counter steer slightly while leaning.
Also if you love tt watch I think ride. Its narrated by leam Nesson and is about the dunlops.
GPLaps is no more, this channel has now been redubbed to TTLaps
Please i need the old French circuit Rouen. A classic of the F1 of the 50s and 60s. 😀👌
Take a shot every time he says 'Isle of Man TT'
that might be the only thing crazier than doing the race yourself
@@GPLaps Guys back in the days did both take a shot and do the TT.
What a gorgeous machine the MV Agusta 500 is!
However, motorcycle games never worked for me, it is impossible to control the bike properly in any of them, regardless the choice of controller.
@0:46 Ride 4 is a great starting point, mate.
@4:10 How is this more a sim than Ride 4? It is more focussed on a single event and features less variety of bikes, that is all.
@11:48 Okay, there are partical effect but Ride 4 has weather effects, day and night cycle, tire wear in some events, fuel consumption.
Just bought it the other day, loads of fun!
Get your ps2 out and by tt super bikes for it, the best motorcycle game and the best tt and Irish rd racing game made
And it doesn’t event have gyro effect of the wheels from one side to another
Does anyone know a game about motorcycles, where, as in the Rfactor RCD, you can customize the AI Drivers individually?
Just make sure your steering is set maximum deg of rotation.
hi
could you share your button mapping and steering wheel settings please?
SINCE WHEN CAN IT BE PLAYED WITH A WHEEL??
I tried anything and the only way it would somehow work was by tricking the game into thinking it was a controller. There was no force feedback or steering angle limiter of course. Does it work now??
This version of the game (version 2) has always supported wheels as far as I know. Im not able to get force feedback but i may be missing a setting somewhere. I set the degrees of rotation on my wheel to 120 and otherwise can just map it in game like any controller. quite fun!
I feel like it wouldn't bee to hard maybe 3D print a set of handle bars to put on a racing wheel. It wouldn't be perfect but it would probably be better. And i mean if youre good with a soldering iron and electronics you can probably have a brake, clutch, throttle etc. on it
I think id use a joystick before a wheel...
It is weird that KT doesn't get the license for the MotoGP games. Ridge of the Edge 2 has better physics and is more fun than the latest few MotoGP games.
I guess because Milestone still has the rights
If you set up a gofundme or something similar, I think folk (including myself) would be willing to donate a few quid towards a trip for you to go see the TT. It would make a great IRL vlog series. :)
never knew you could use a wheel and pedals on this, bought the game as it was IOMTT but the controls were horrendous using a controller felt so sloppy and not snappy so uninstalled. Perhaps i shouldn't have compare it to actually riding in real life, going to give it a try with the wheel now though
Why don't you just tape some Bicycle bars on the steering wheel and put the steering wheel at an angle so it feels like your riding on bike,now you just need a seating position that's similar to a motorbike
love this video, but i am amused from hearing stuff like 'gas station' and 'intersection' to describe British-style roads
I am very much a tourist
If you want a good motorcycle sim, GPbikes is the best bet but this game right here is not good
💤💤💤
Too bad this game is pretty bad. Isle of Man on GPBikes is the proper way to simulate it!
Does gpbikes have the full length tt now? last i knew it only had the short abbreviated version
@@GPLaps It has the one converted from GPL, not sure which length it is though.
this guy is not riding a motorcycle at all.
Hate the windscreen colour. It should be clear with just reflections and distortions. Given your entire focus is a tiny point on this screen, and it spoils all the beautiful graphics of this game with a lame smoke tint!