Why Mario and Luigi Brothership Could Disappoint
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- Опубліковано 28 чер 2024
- Mario and Luigi Brothership was recently revealed and while everyone is getting excited for it, I'm here to be the debby downer
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Yoshi Village - "Mario and Luigi Partners in Time"
Battle - "Mario and Luigi Partners in Time"
Battle - "Mario and Luigi Paper Jam"
Peaches Castle - "Mario and Luigi Partners in Time"
Challenging Actions! - "Mario and Luigi Dream Team"
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The Law of Pajamaja - "Mario and Luigi Dream Team"
Victory in the Dream World - "Mario and Luigi Dream Team"
Mario is Everyone's Star - "Mario and Luigi Superstar Saga"
Ending - "Mario and Luigi Partners in Time" - Ігри
I’m not really that worried this game looks really good
Thank you!! Finally someone saying it as it is and not buying this video creator's dumb -veity! I mean, 1st just _look_ at the game - how _can_ this be anything but the best selling M&L ever, if not outright the most loved eventually?? Nintendo aren't about to pull a Cyberpunk like this guy is prophesising lol. Hate these ''oh , l emme just paint a -ve picture for the heck of it to create Controversy & debate!1'' creators. Well done Sir. 💯👏🎬
Same here, I'm not worried either
I wonder if Toadsworth will finally make a return. The Mario & Luigi series kept him alive the longest.
I'd be surprised if he's not there even when he wouldn't be anywhere else he was a staple in Mario and Luigi
Paper Jam @@ThatGuyWhoGames
he died of old age sorry
Well toadsworth was replaced by the toad council in the movie so idk
What abt starlow
I don't think it's even far to judge Brothership on the basis of Paper Jam; it's pretty clear that at the height of Paper Mario's period of blandness, the ridiculous mandate on Mario characters and their obsessing with simplifying RPG elements even polluted Mario and Luigi with Paper Jam...BUT I think that's a PM problem that Mario and Luigi had to unfortunately had to deal with the burden. I don't necessarily feel like it's an overall alert to M&L's future intensions. I'm frankly willing to give the new game a shot simply because it feels like Nintendo is being confident; keep in mind, this is ALSO the very first original Mario RPG that isn't a remake...and the fact that they opted for a new title AND headed a Direct with it makes me feel like they really REALLY wanted to put a little more into than usual.
You're wrong, the game I guess being "bland" is an intentional choice. The reason they didn't have original characters is because the game was focusing on paper and non paper counterparts, which meant using characters and enemies that existed in both universes, kinda locking them to the main set of Mario enemies and characters and such. To our understanding and from what can be assumed thanks to dream team coming after sticker star, the Mario and Luigi team had full creative freedom.
@@pointillism252That explains some of it, like the characters and enemies, but not the environments or changes to existing characters like Bowser’s 3 generals in the later remakes. I would guess Dream Team escaped that issue because it was just in development earlier than the company’s shift to only wanting to use existing mainline Mario stuff.
@@unoriginalusername4416 Again, I have to disagree, as a playable demo of sticker star as far back as 2010 exists, meaning it was probably in development longer or at least the same time.
Even discounting that, the bog standard locations could be due to a lower budget because of dream team's relatively lower sales.
As for the elite trio, the only design change is that they have bowser insignias now so I'm not sure what you're referring to.
I don’t wanna be the ultimate Nintendo glazer but I highly doubt anything about Paper Jam applies out here, especially when they have original characters and bosses/villains so while it’s probably not gonna be a masterpiece, it is gonna be quality.
Agree with you there. Also Paper Jam was the only game in the series which was like that. The other 4 and the 2 remakes (including the Bowser's minons side quests) were very well made.
Even then, Paper Jam was a solid 7/10 game. Definitely the worst of the games but still very good
Personally, I don’t think this game is gonna be the best in the series, but I do think it’s gonna be a *damn* good game. The new artstyle is gorgeous and even M&L’s lowest lows were still at least *good* games. I mean, i’d play paper jam over sticker star/color splash any day of the week.
You are right if the 4 games were sticker star, color splash, origami or paper jame I’m choosing paper jame
@@ThatGuyWhoGames I love Color Splash but I'd even pick any of the Mario and Luigi games over them.
Paper Mario hits HARD, when it's good, but when it's bad, it's pretty horrendous. But Mario and Luigi consistently hit hard every time, even if it doesn't hit as hard as something like TTYD.
@@BowlOSoup6661imma be frank, the Mario and Luigi games are better than ttyd.
Paper Mario in general never had reached the highs of the Mario and Luigi series if you ask me.
Yeah. Paper jam over sticker star. Even though paper jam is considered to be the weakest in the series, I personally really enjoyed it.
@@xavierrivera3407 I’m in a really weird spot with my Mario RPG preferences
Gameplay-wise, M&L is leagues better but also SPM is my favorite game of all time (which is arguably not even an rpg)
They didn’t bring back Luigi’s striped socks
Instant 0/10
Luigi finally got pants that actually fit him and then everyone wanted to see his ankles again lol
They've been gone since Dream Team
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@@Luigissocks
no way.
@@LuigissocksIm a huge fan
I actually do really appreciate seeing someone with a different point of view especially with all of the unfiltered hype surrounding this game. I am super hyped for Brothership and am very excited to see what direction the people working on it go in.
Dont knock it til you’ve tried it man!
6:08
Top left is Superstar Saga (remake)
Top right is paper jam
Bottom left is dream team
Bottom right is bowsers inside story (remake)
If the trailer is peak, if it has a ton of original characters, and if the animation looks fire than the game is gonna be peak 👌🔥
Anything could be bad if you're fishing for clicks....
Thank you - someone sensible sees this fraud!! 💯💯 Hate these ''Click my Controversy'' opinion bait-tubers.
watching the video for mario & luigi talk ❌
watching the video for him and his house lore ✅
I will single handedly destroy the housing market
i mean wasnt the superstar saga remake fucking fantastic tho?
I prefer the original, the lighting they did was sooooo good but it’s use of the dream team art style makes me not like looking at it as much, I don’t think it’s a bad style but it was overused and my least favorite out of the 4
@@ThatGuyWhoGames Same. Also I'm a little sad that the Come On! (Battletheme) soundtrack was remade better in Paper Jam than in SSRemake.
But what I think the game did great was the Bowser's Minions side story. Even though I play the OG SS on a gameboy emulator, I still play the Remake just for the Minon Quest and it's cool soundtrack. Captain Goomba is awesome (best of the minion squad)
This game is in good hands
I think the fact that the entire Mario & Luigi series is playable on the 3ds is amazing.
I recenetly picked up the series and the 3ds is the perfect console, Every single old game got remasterd for the 3ds, or new games directly released to ds/3ds.
As much as I love my switch I've come to go back to the 3DS titles after some time...
I really do wish they did a partners in time remake, I'm pretty sure it would've sold well if they followed the direction of the series instead of skipping it for partners in time
@@ThatGuyWhoGames Agree. Also PiT doesn't work on ever version of the 2DS/3DS. I can play it on my 2DS model that was still sold in march 2011, while my brother can't play the game on his 2DS which he got in May 2011.
Also BiS remade for 3DS, even though it was already playable on every version of the 2DS/3DS is, what made the Remake bomb likely, next to it coming out so late in the life of 3DS consoles.
@@ThatGuyWhoGames Partners in time remake for the switch could be cool, would defenitly bring the entire Mario & Luigi Series fairly Modern with all of em beeing nativly 3ds or switch at that point
Honestly, the fact this game is showing that the M&L series didn't die outright with Alphadream shutting it's doors is the main reason people are so dang hyped over it. It gives us hope that maybe Nintendo is hopefully listening to what the fans actually want: A return to form instead of the bland 'approved by committee' titles we've been getting. I really hope that we get back the really creative RPG's with incredibly memorable characters and settings that BOTH series were founded on. Heck, I STILL remember some of PPTTYD's biggest moments because that game just bled heart and passion, and I haven't gotten around to the remake to refresh my memories on them.
The remake is so good, it's THE definitive edition of the game for me
This is my first video I’ve watched by you, can’t help but subscribe!
My expectations are going to be way too high for Brothership. It just looks too perfect. I hope.
Thanks for the video ❤ you’re becoming one of my favorites easily.
A potential red flag i saw in the trailer was how a few of the puzzles seem to be just leaving Luigi somwhere to hit a button while Mario explores. I REALLY hope that isn't the case.
For clarity, I mean I hope a majority of the puzzles are not that. I want more puzzles that use bros. Moves!
I also hope Luigi gets to have some moments too like in bowsers inside story after Mario was kidnapped and such, love me a good Luigi moment
@@ThatGuyWhoGamesAgree. Luigi deserves his great moments like in every other M&L game. In SS he went to get the cure for Mario's illness, in Dreamteam we were able to save all the Pi'illo and defeat Antasma because of Luigi opening up the portal to Dream World for us the access it. And Dream Luigi did have tons of heroic moments too (like all those Giga Boss fights).
Everything I see is about how everyone shouldn't complain because we're getting a new game but I'm still really worried that Nintendo doesn't know how to make M&L game and will completely change the feel of it and just have expressive animations. Also where is Starlow?
Starlow rightly died, good riddence
Also that complaint would be valid if the former alphadream devs wherent confirmed to be working on the game, nintendo clearly knows what they are doing
@@johnmehlman5195 Yeah but what if they order a huge change or something?
ジェリー who maybe did some coding on partners in time cannot guarantee a good M&L game.
whats wrong with expressive animations?
i thought the previous games already had it at some extent
@@ssg-eggunner I think the expressive 3D animations is great, but I prefer the expressive 2D animations from past games.
This channel is crminally underrated, very nice stuff my dude!
I'm not worried in the slightest 😂 As a huge fan of this series, I'm so happy we're getting a new game.
My jaw was on the floor when it was the first announcement, no matter what it’s a day one purchase from me
Wha.. What intense editing I thought you had 800k subs you certainly deserve it actual passion and effort subbed.
Ironically, I rewatched the Mario and Luigi series video before and now it's all fresh, happy to see more Tom action in this week!!!!
Felt appropriate I talk about this series again with a better haircut
I'm praying Nintendo takes a hint from this game and TTYD's sales but they tend to not be smart enough for that.
I think it's gonna beat out Bowser's Inside Story for me. I missed the cool Bros attacks from Superstar Saga where they actually used each other to attack, instead of weird items. The bros attacks in Bowser's Inside Story are fun (Snack Basket >:)) but I like the teamwork aspect of using their hammers to and jumps to help each other. And that seems to be returning.
I agree with that, it always made sense that they would attacked based on moves taught to them rather than finding puzzle pieces in the wild. I also never minded Partners in Times buying of Bros. attacks since it made coins much more valuable
Agree. It's what I also liked about Dreamteams Dream attacks, since most of them were moves the Dream Luigis used outside of battle as well.
And it's so cool to get the real bros attacks back. (Even though it seems like the Red Shell bros attack from Dreamteam makes a return)
This video is AMAZING!! How do you ohtdo yourself everytime, Tom?!
Dude im so glad i found your channel. You have a really good sesne of humour. Subbed :))
The quality of your vids are INSANE I was genuinely surprised at your sub count ( not that it’s bad) I just thought to see like a mil or two at worst in like the double digits, cus your very funny and lowkey hella attractive
Honestly didnt expect the video to be this funny lol, well made!
I will say that PJ onwards they did learn from DT's dialogue mistakes so I think that won't be an issue.
Yeah but Paper Jam had a weird Luigi hate theme always dogging on him whenever they could, something I could’ve mentioned since that’s more of quality of writing rather than quantity
@@ThatGuyWhoGames fair, I will say though that despite my issues with them, the remake side modes have a lot more heart than Paper Jam's soulless ass.
I cant speak on if the writing is bloated or not tho since I've just watched bits of it on UA-cam, since I couldnt make it through the uh... "gameplay"
First time seeing your videos, and i really like it! I love your speculation on things, i see brothership in a more optimistic way, since yeah, the 2 latest original games of the series we're kinda meh, this one looks promising, with this new art style but still keeping how expressive we're mario and luigi back then, and plug-based characters, it seems to be a really fun experience, keep the great work!!!
Dud i just opened the Dictionary on the word Doomer and i saw your face there.
scott the wozz evil twin
things that I think can ruin the game
1)story and plot, story and ploy seems to be very basic in this game
2) if the characters are nerfed too much and the character's powerscaling is greatly weakened
3) Lazily written villains, the villains of the new game seem very badly written
(they seem to be getting weaker)
The remakes addressed Dream Team's text problem by making the tutorials skippable and the writing was pretty snappy in the otherwise lame RTS side modes, so I don't think dialogue will retread Dream Team's problems.
the lack of views is criminal 😭, there might be something wrong with this channel bc your videos aren't getting shown at all
Seriously his videos are punching waaay above his weight in terms of subs and views. The algorithm doin him dirty
I actually enjoyed paper jam, so even if brothership isnt as good as we think it will, i am sure at least i will enjoy it.
Also Dream team is my favorite.
I want to love Dream Team so bad but I can't even get around to finishing it, the game gets very hard to get through for me because of the amount of exposition given to player at any given time and when I leave for long periods and try to return I get lost in my place and don't know where to go. Restarting is also VERY hard to get through with how long it takes to get the game going. I think it has amazing ideas and tried to do something new but reasons I state in the video and here are why I'm not the biggest fan personally even though I really want to be
"Mario and Luigi Brothership could be bad."
*Radiance starts playing in the background*
i bought and tried paper jam, and i never got past the opening stuff, it just felt slow and annoying, i hope this game will be better. also love your videos dude, keep up the good work!
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God, I hope Mario And Luigi Brother Ship doesn't suck ass.
The only thing I'm worried about Mario and Luigi Brother Ship is who's developing the game.
We know that because Alpha Dream went bankrupt for reasons.
God, I hope it's the ex-employees of Alpha Dream that's working on Mario and Luigi Brother Ship.
Also, have you played or heard of Stellar Blade?
I have heard of it but I have yet to play it
Its been confirmed that devs from the other mario and luigi games are back developing this game
@@johnmehlman5195 Thank fucking God!
This game will NOT disappoint, I know it won’t IT WONT DISAPPOINT ITS GONNA BE GREAT
6:00 im quite confused
didnt the gba and ds games have similar styles, specially ds?
Similar but not the exact same, the differences were noticeable enough to not see each one as the same, besides characters UI elements were also very different across each game and the soundtracks would vary in composition and sound quality, overall the series was always evolving its style until dream tread and for me that was part of its charm
I could be wrong here, so correct me if I am, but isn't it possible that Alphadream's problems with low income started earlier than you're proposing? I think that they had issues with revenue BEFORE the remakes.
1. They reused assets from Dream Team for both remakes. When comparing a remake to a whole new game with how much art needs to be created, a remake would be a lot more viable if their budget was thinner than they would have liked.
2. They stuck with the 3DS rather than using the Switch. Learning a whole new console's mechanics takes time, and time is money when it comes to ANY company, which is something that, again, Alphadream could have been having issues with at the time. Sure they could've ported things over to the Switch, but why spend the money to do that when everything was already right there on the 3DS.
When I think of it like this, it just makes sense why Alphadream made remakes instead of new games, it's because they LITERALLY couldn't. They still put their hat in the ring, they still tried to stay afloat with what they could do, but in the end it didn't work, and thus they had to file for bankruptcy.
I have high hopes for Brothership, but I get the doubt some are having, because it isn't the same baseline, but as the saying goes "You never know unless you try it". That's both for myself and everyone else, it's fine if you are holding back or if you're all in, but just in case, keep your expectations on the fence, try not to lean fully to one side or the other.
Thank you for your time, I hope you enjoyed my Ted Talk.
I saw at some point somebody said AlphaDream was way in debt even when trying to make Dream Team, and that’s why Nintendo never bought them out to secure them as a first-party developer. It makes sense considering the drastic shift in development the new system and art style required. Even just switching to 3D environments probably forced them to expand faster than they had the money to.
kinda funny how the moment the console rpg series hit handheld everything went to shit
Sticker Star is my least favorite game and I can talk for hours on why that is
How did you even get any likes for this?? Lol, YT. We haven't got a M&L game in donkey's years, and the one We saw just last month easily looks like the Best of them ever from that short trailer alone with arguably the best art-style ever. Whoever commissioned that was a genius!
Yet here you are , spreading -veity and ill opinions. Game will probably outsell all the others by 3 fold too. Hah!
Could ypu release your super paper mario song
I will try my best to get it out soon, I make the mistake of not preparing that for when the video releases, after listening to it I want to re mix it and make sure it sounds good for streaming but don’t worry it is coming ❤️
Presentation/Visual-Style wise, yep, it looks like the complete opposite to Paper Jam. Fix the pacing from DreamTeam and all will be fine.
I love the expressiveness of the Mario and Luigi models
I hope not, I love Mario and Luigi
You deserve so much more your scott the woz 2.0
He really is and really does.
topical scott the woz
@@drdan6443 💀
scott the woz ripoff
@@TupZZ-fe1gp and what kind of UA-cam videos do you make? None you say? Wow....I'm shocked. 🐍
People started talking smack about paper jam not living up to expectations and remakes not actually being good. Now we finally got a new mario and luigi game (that isn't a remake) and you want to tell us that it wont be that good? Just wait bro
Even if this is somehow a bad game, I still love it with all my heart because it's new. I love all of them especially dreamteam and paper jam because they made my childhood.
The good ending
Well you actually made me think so this video was good.
I hope i didn't ruin any hype, I see a lot people saying I was very negative and I tried to address that because I'm also very excited for the game I just remember what the 2010's were like and how disappointing it got with each new Mario RPG release. It's my favorite genre from the Mario series so I tend to get neverous when a new one releases.
1 Superstar saga
2 Bowser's inside Story
3 Partners in time
4 Dream team
5 Paper jam
Switch Dream Team and Partners
Man is this guy cynical
Interesting take, while don’t agree with it, I’ll accept your opinion.
It's speculation and something I am keeping on the mind, otherwise it's a day one purchase no doubt
@@ThatGuyWhoGames ok cool. I think I’m saving that for my Christmas list. I am getting super Mario party jamboree in October though.
the Japanese name of the series will eventually be changed to remove the rpg part of the name and it will move far away from being an rpg and become a puzzle platformer going forward
i'd rather eat a brick
@@ThatGuyWhoGames I'd rather eat you
hol up
source???
@@ThatGuyWhoGames why did you delete my comment? No sense of humor?
@@Luxembourgish I don't deleted comments it might've got flagged
gambling actually works lol
The fact that some people are upset that they ditched Starlow makes me question humanity.
Starlow was great in Inside Story but then she become a hater of luigi and that made me not want her around anymore
Everything after Bowser’s Inside Story was so mid that I hope they aren’t canon and that Brothership is the one true sequel to BIS.
I'm gonna pretend like you said everything after Dream Team was mid considering that ones the best in the entire franchise
@@lando42307 Totally agree. Dream Team was awesome. I really liked the Dream World angle. The soundtrack was peak and by far the best in the series (next to Superstar Saga). And the Original Chracaters like the Pi'illos were nice too.
@@lando42307Dream Team isn’t my favorite but I highly respect everyone who says it’s the best. That game is soooo good (just like every game in this series)
@@xanander4693 real
Lame, show some positivity. We can discuss all day why something CAN be bad or good, just try and bring some joy to the world, damn
I get where you’re coming from, but this video is coming from a place where they’ve been burnt one too many times from previous Mario RPG releases, I can relate to how they feel.
It’s fine to be positive, but that just means this video isn’t for you then.
You lying it going to be game of the year
Relax. His just keeping his guards up and also expects it to be good (and it better be. It's been years since the last title.)
Hold your horses buddy. We haven’t even seen much gameplay at all so why this pessimistic view?
Just a thought I had, and listen I hope I'm wrong
@@ThatGuyWhoGamesWell it’s stupid. No one should be making any claims about the quality of this game until it comes out. Wait and see, stop being cynical.
@@xanander4693he's only listing his concerns about what the game could be, which is valid since the series up till alphadream's bankruptcy ended with a whimper. He wants the game to be a success, just concerned it might go the way of paper jam. Not too cynical at all.
I don't think it's far to judge the new M&L game based off the quality of the last original game in the series as it's not always indicative of the quality of the new release. I think back to HAL, the current Kirby devs that went from a well received game (planet robobot) to a poorly received game (star Allies, arguably one of the worst Kirby games in the modern era) but they were able to bounce back with The forgotten land, which is considered one of the best games in the series. I think whoever is developing the new game is able to do the same, especially considering how there's most likely a lot of new staff for this game as well. Also the fact that this game seemingly takes place in a new location with original characters, antagonists and so on a long with a new animation style gives me so much hope.
Wrong
fr tho i have only 3 issues with the new game and theyre so nit picky it hurts
1- textures look just a little too low res tho that might just be youtube compression
2- the composer may not be yoko shimamura, if this is true then this is by default the weakest ost since she composed the entire series
3- i hate the fucking boxart, instead of having a hand drawn 2d one like strikers and the past games they just posed the renders
thats about it really, im really excited for this game
YOKO SHIMAMURA MIGHT NOT RETURN WHAT
@@ThatGuyWhoGames its not confirmed, if she didnt return that would be baffling because they got her for sparks of hope and rpg remake
Number 3 disgusted me so much when i learned about it and I almost threw up.
I kinda get your worries on point 2, but even if yoko it's not there to compose the ost, i think it's kinda shitty to say that "it will be the weakest just because certain person will not compose for this one" not allowing this hipotetically new composer a chance, because in the trailer, the music actually sounds really good!
In point 3...eh???....i kinda get it but it's still a really personal-pick, i actually liked the box art and it looks really nice
@@Sebas55_ if the first song in trailer is the main theme (title theme) then yeah thats defiantly the weakest one in the series yet, all the other ones have a very distinct melody and feel, this one just feels like cascade kingdom, i cant really remember its melody
I think you're fishing for click creating false controversy tbh.
Oh joy you one of those guys who actually believes that Mario mandate nonsense and say that games origami king is not creative or fun and that ttyd is the future of the series while completely ignoring the great success of origami king sales and the fact that it has a lot of fans.....yeah no you're opinion means nothing now
Origami King is very creative, but I think in a way it's poorly designed since battles have no reason to be done, you learn nothing from them to beat the bosses since boss fights are completely different and you gain nothing from doing the smaller normal fights, it's a turn base battle just for the sake of it when it could've been something more useful for the player. The mandate was always rumored to exist and while I don't think it happened you can't deny that it seemed like every Mario series was sticking to a style sheet, why would the Mario and Luigi series of all things strip itself of original characters?? It's been confirmed that the mandate never existed and it was a miscommunication and I should've included that in the video. However I stand by my opinions, you don't have to agree and what I'm saying is all speculation I just thought it was interesting to talk about, you're more than welcome to disagree with me I'm always happy to discuss.
I am indeed an Origami King fan. It’s the best paper Mario game!
Blud at least it exists
rage bait video L
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You did it. . .you won
@@ThatGuyWhoGames Thanks! I like your videos! Nice humour, and criticisms and thoughts I can agree with. :)
Remember everyone: Gambling actually works ☺️
What a pointless video
Two words will probably make this game bad: KEVIN AFGHANI
How?
@@ahmedhasan4966 His voice acting for Mario and Luigi isn’t great but it’s improving. But because we’re gonna have to hear his voice from Mario and Luigi for the entire game and even the god awful Italian gibberish it will be terrible
@@ExGanonMainthats just a you problem
I personally think he doesn’t sound different, he sounds like a young Charles and having that energy and new life was a bit over due. I will always love Charles he made these characters who they are but it’s clear the choice to step down was his decision he couldn’t record like he use to and I think the mantel was passed on to a great actor who sounds nearly identical. If you open up to them it’s not that bad at all
@@johnmehlman5195 Yeah basically