How Kendrick Lamar Used the Biggest Beef of the Century to Fix Hip-Hop Culture

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  • @JacksonsMusicPalate
    @JacksonsMusicPalate  Місяць тому +127

    Please consider subscribing to the Patreon to see TRACK DISSECTIONS of Euphoria, Family Matters, and Meet The Grahams; if we get 50 patrons I'll make a video on TPAB! Much love

    • @jonathangordon2999
      @jonathangordon2999 21 день тому

      Yo bro, I’ve been trying to tell my friend this so far you explained it From top to bottom👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

    • @zazaza1000
      @zazaza1000 19 днів тому

      @@jonathangordon2999 he did not.

    • @thicccatto3956
      @thicccatto3956 16 днів тому

      Bro do your homework. It pisses me off when niggas don't know enough about something make statements. Kendrick didn't "just stepped into beef". He's been wanting blood since 10 years ago. There's this thing called 'Kendrick Lamar - Control Verse' in case you are also ignorant about that. And see if you still think Kendrick has been "avoiding" beef up til now.

  • @johnblunt6693
    @johnblunt6693 Місяць тому +2666

    I think one of the most interesting parts of all of this is the fact that people have repeatedly & continuously called kendrick a savior, when part of the thesis of Mr.Morale and the Big Steppy being him rejecting the idea of being one

    • @BreeIsMeTV
      @BreeIsMeTV Місяць тому +327

      People regard him as a “savior” figure as it pertains to hip-hop as an art form, lyricism, storytelling, and cultural integrity. Most don’t think of him as a moral savior who they should emulate, and the few who do were lost in the sauce a long time ago.

    • @TiaTiaBoBia
      @TiaTiaBoBia Місяць тому

      ❤❤❤ This​@@BreeIsMeTV

    • @bronxkies
      @bronxkies Місяць тому +84

      agreed! I think even in various commentary that go out of the way to say he's not a savior still uphold him as a higher moral being who's too good for mudslinging, when in reality, he's been mudslinging since the beginning. No shade to him at all, it's part of what makes Kendrick exciting: he's a spicy little firecracker willing to pop off and tell you you suck. It's fun and comedic, and most of all, it's super ordinary like a kid you went to school with back in the day. I wish people would let him be that way. Too many people read so deeply into everything he says and does to the point that I'm not even sure half the stuff has even crossed HIS mind lol, and he's a pretty creative cat.

    • @fizzychizzy
      @fizzychizzy Місяць тому +81

      He is often referred to as “hip hop’s savior” but that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s because of morality. It has always been because of his artistry and artistic integrity. People who think Kendrick walks around like a moral figure/savior are likely people that don’t actually listen to his music and just have overarching stereotypes about “backpack” rappers. All Kendrick does is put his personal experiences in songs, whether they are good or bad. Like, for instance, in XXX on Damn, he talks about the fact that he was a hypocrite talking at a gun control convention; however, if his own family was murdered, he would be out in the streets killing/avenging his family. It’s not about being morally good or bad. It’s just about being truthful and authentic.

    • @JohnJohnson-vi4ev
      @JohnJohnson-vi4ev Місяць тому +43

      Well... if you listened to the Like That verse closely, "my temperament bipolar/I choose violence. He knew he was going against his morals by dissing these dudes.

  • @aaronaiysen7534
    @aaronaiysen7534 Місяць тому +1056

    Bro Kendrick laid it all out there on Mr. Morale. He’s not worried about skeletons bro do your homework

    • @HarleyQuinn-dp6rj
      @HarleyQuinn-dp6rj Місяць тому +81

      FACTS DO THE HOMEWORK THEN PRESENT THE PRESENTATION....THIS VODEO GOT ME HOT AF

    • @traceyi2547
      @traceyi2547 Місяць тому +120

      Right! This beef didn't "reveal" anything about Kendrick. It only enhanced what I already felt about both artists before it even started. Kendrick is real, transparent, and for the culture and Drake is a corny, fake actor cosplaying what he thinks is of the culture.

    • @Victor-bu8ce
      @Victor-bu8ce Місяць тому +85

      He lost me when he said Kendrick finally dipped his feet into beef. Like does bro not realize Kendrick was battle rapping before he blew up?

    • @gabereynolds4941
      @gabereynolds4941 Місяць тому +6

      @@HarleyQuinn-dp6rj bruh chill out, you typing like Ye under every comment lmfao. Idk how you can watch this video and not think he did his fair share of research and he's obviously a huge fan of K Dot, as am I. Just cause he doesn't think the same as you doesn't mean he's wrong...

    • @siranthonyhall7595
      @siranthonyhall7595 29 днів тому +27

      @@Victor-bu8ce word since the beginning of kdot career he was calling rappers out they just never answered 😭

  • @alldayHK
    @alldayHK Місяць тому +443

    Kendrick has never EVER thought he was “too cool” to engage in rap beef
    source: control verse

    • @sldoma
      @sldoma 13 днів тому +2

      im with you, people don't realise it's all been brewing since ten years ago - not paying attention to the full timeline! Shit is elementary.

    • @TheStrangeBloke
      @TheStrangeBloke 13 днів тому +3

      I don't think the end conclusion is wrong though. Kendrick is happy to scrap if it comes to that in spite of the risks because he really believes that hip hop should be personal and that people should be willing to say what's on their heart. Drake's been smugly superior to Kendrick for a decade now, but wasn't willing to actually say it out loud until Kendrick needled him.

    • @Lilmomkey
      @Lilmomkey 10 днів тому

      I do agree but I don’t feel the control verse is a good example. It was less of calling for beef and more of explaining how competition is there and that he is a friend and a competitor to anyone in the industry

    • @user-fu5fi2xy8h
      @user-fu5fi2xy8h 4 дні тому

      This guy clearly does not know what he's talking about

  • @meechbrown5557
    @meechbrown5557 Місяць тому +1559

    The biggest thing this entire situation has shown is that no one really listens to lyrics or pays attention…Drake has been sneak dissing for years and Kendrick has literally said on multiple occasions don’t push me.. “stop playing with me for I turn you to a song” “be humble, sit down” talking about him being Gemini and literally spazzing out - on one hand Kendrick has been upfront about this for years where the other is throwing stones and hiding their hands…then when Kendrick finally pops out it’s absurd that with zero evidence a known liar can say he beat his wife and everyone would rather take that and discredit an honest man than think with common sense

    • @BlissfullyLed
      @BlissfullyLed Місяць тому +189

      I think the majority of people haven’t questioned Kendrick’s character. His reputation is so solid.

    • @HarleyQuinn-dp6rj
      @HarleyQuinn-dp6rj Місяць тому +26

      FACTS

    • @gizmod22
      @gizmod22 Місяць тому +28

      Absurd is a great word for it. It is Kafkaesque (the trial)

    • @penofficial_
      @penofficial_ Місяць тому +26

      Oh man I never read into those lines in that way. Holy that’s actually impressive asf. Good catch.

    • @raydripper101
      @raydripper101 Місяць тому +24

      @@penofficial_all the stars track, Kendrick’s whole first verse was him talking to drake

  • @rumble108
    @rumble108 Місяць тому +654

    Drake got his N Card Revoked😂😂😂

    • @Zycotic
      @Zycotic 28 днів тому +8

      2 times now, 1 more beef and its 3rd times a charm

    • @BigBoyJay_69
      @BigBoyJay_69 23 дні тому +6

      He never had it to begin with. Drake stole it for his own gain. Kendrick just calling him out for that.

    • @benmazzara6216
      @benmazzara6216 22 дні тому +1

      He was being too lightskinned 😅

    • @Message1inthesame
      @Message1inthesame 18 днів тому +2

      & gave it to his son 😂

    • @DominicHolder-nn3um
      @DominicHolder-nn3um 12 днів тому

      It didn’t. Great angle, great line but stop it

  • @AllTheArtsy
    @AllTheArtsy Місяць тому +407

    "me im still an old school Gemini" "my temperament bipolar; i choose violence"
    that answers that question very easily. just because post-Mr Morale Kendrick has learned to start healing, does not mean he cant backslide. he is still a rapper that grew up in the 90s and knows that rap is a competitive sport. just because youre enlightened, doesnt mean you cant also wrestle in tue mud to prove you are THAT GUY
    i think its equally as valid to him whether he was whistleblowing as a form of community-led justice (if we want to take that angle) or just getting into drama to definitively prove hes the GOAT

    • @milesmohrien8964
      @milesmohrien8964 28 днів тому +3

      such a good bar when you add on the fact that hes talking about kanye and drake

    • @ceejay5588
      @ceejay5588 16 днів тому

      Funny😂

    • @kennethcampbell1934
      @kennethcampbell1934 16 днів тому

      Yeah, it does somewhat bother me thinking, so if Drake didn't make it personal with Family Matters, we weren't going to expose Drake for how he treats artists or the groomer stuff? That just sounds wild but he is not our Savior

    • @cls7857
      @cls7857 13 днів тому

      ​@@kennethcampbell1934 Yeah, but it looks like everything Kendrick said about Drake was already public information, even the rumours of a secret daughter. Kendrick likely doesn't have any other evidence beyond industry knowledge, so speaking up without solid proof would've got _him_ in legal trouble, not Drake, and discredited the story. Playing up a rap beef to reach a global audience, even beyond hip-hop fans, even beyond _music_ fans, was probably the best strategy he could've used for spreading awareness, and genuinely might protect people who otherwise could become victims. It's literally been on international news broadcasts! And if it gives people the courage to bring their cases to court, even better. That's my take, at least.

  • @henrybeckwith2068
    @henrybeckwith2068 Місяць тому +277

    A lot of these analysis videos keep saying the beef started at Like That and assume Kendrick started it. But really it was Drake who started it by getting in his feelings about the Control verse. And now after all the throwing of rocks and hiding his hand, the Like That verse was just saying that the beef was reaching its climax.

    • @mrD66M
      @mrD66M 29 днів тому +11

      KnoxHill has a post saying the beef started before Control

    • @faeriegraver
      @faeriegraver 29 днів тому +26

      Plus his verse on Like That is responding to First Person Shooter. I don't understand why they keep missing that part.

    • @aliceIMF
      @aliceIMF 29 днів тому +13

      i'm watching this video on my TV right now, and I paused it to come here to say exactly this. it didn't start with Like That. it started loooong before, and Kdot didn't start it.

    • @aliceIMF
      @aliceIMF 29 днів тому +1

      @@mrD66M ok, i also thought it started with drizzy getting in his feels about control. when does KH say it started? i wanna look into that frfr

    • @aliceIMF
      @aliceIMF 29 днів тому +3

      @@faeriegraver right??? i thought that was common knowledge, canon, if you will. lol

  • @aferg76
    @aferg76 Місяць тому +533

    We need a revolution to get back to lyricism and authenticity. Hip Hop has been stagnant under Drakes rule. Yes, he’s given us bops but he’s sold out the culture while doing so. He had his chance to shift the culture. He’s only jumped on features for up and coming artists to keep himself relevant. Drakes reign is up. His fans and his career will still be around but Kendrick has awaken us to who and what Drake is and stands for.

    • @Parkour_dog
      @Parkour_dog Місяць тому +17

      He picked the perfect time to revolt against Lucian if you know what I mean.

    • @MomoManimi
      @MomoManimi Місяць тому +40

      What rule? Drake is popular in pop culture with all the white teens. Not hip hop, the legends dont take him seriously and neither do we as a community. His popularity comes from other spaces mostly lol.

    • @QuasarTheVoyager
      @QuasarTheVoyager Місяць тому +4

      Womp womp

    • @freshskittles92
      @freshskittles92 Місяць тому +4

      I haven't actually enjoyed a Drake release since 2015.

    • @thanos879
      @thanos879 Місяць тому +27

      And he validated low effort rap. Instead of hopping on songs with talented upcoming rappers, he just hopped on trends.

  • @terrootti
    @terrootti Місяць тому +659

    Both of the Pusha and Kendrick disses are the equivalent of when Leonidas throws a spear at Xerxes in the movie 300. The goal is to show that that's bigger than life entity is but a man and bleeds like the rest of us. But a section of Drake's fanbase don't care about that aspect.

    • @lesleycooper8966
      @lesleycooper8966 Місяць тому +50

      Applause for that erudite, insightful response

    • @souljarain17
      @souljarain17 Місяць тому +1

      It’s because Aubrey’s fan base are just sheep following the herd and aren’t really for the culture!

    • @K1ng_Solo
      @K1ng_Solo Місяць тому +10

      And Congrats to Leo’s dauntless throwing of said spear.

  • @dannymuller6776
    @dannymuller6776 Місяць тому +453

    Since this beef I’ve only been able to listen to deep lyrical rap

    • @queenofthenile2012
      @queenofthenile2012 Місяць тому +39

      You grow'n up..LISTEN to [only] grown folk music..stay blessed!

    • @KiLLaC0N_RL
      @KiLLaC0N_RL Місяць тому +10

      Check AOTP an Immortal Technique !!

    • @HarleyQuinn-dp6rj
      @HarleyQuinn-dp6rj Місяць тому +1

      THAT PART

    • @chiefxvi403
      @chiefxvi403 Місяць тому

      Mf Doom

    • @boop3259
      @boop3259 Місяць тому +1

      ⁠@@KiLLaC0N_RL You Never Know by Technique is among the greatest hip hop songs ever

  • @gabrieldukicchuks2058
    @gabrieldukicchuks2058 Місяць тому +186

    Kendrick was clearly much more strategic than Drake. He had the long term in mind & probably had several of those disses and more prepared. Ultimately I think that's why he won the battle over Drake

    • @twest5581
      @twest5581 Місяць тому +36

      His songs and flow were just way better. Kendrick is different and when he raps he makes you think, learn, and feel something. He won the battle because he made the people feel again through the music. Drake has the same ole flow that he does all the time and his music had no real substance. Yes he had a few catchy bars but after that what did it do for us?

    • @rawbrenaissance.
      @rawbrenaissance. Місяць тому +18

      Drake underestimated his opponent due to his own massive success.. while me on the outside looking in im not suprised.. he can't compete with actual lyricists. Pusha T spared him. Kendrick took it all the way.

    • @souljarain17
      @souljarain17 Місяць тому +10

      Drake has Ghostwriters! Talent, you either have it or you don't! You can only fake it for so long!

    • @twest5581
      @twest5581 Місяць тому +11

      @@rawbrenaissance. the cold part about it is kendrick didn't take it all the way, kendrick actually took it easy on him and that's a fact.

    • @user-hw8kf5eu2n
      @user-hw8kf5eu2n 27 днів тому +2

      Could be because Drake sucks always has he’s catchy he’s a pop star and ppl love pop stars.

  • @kingvega3004
    @kingvega3004 Місяць тому +251

    When Kendrick said "before you figure that your not alone, ask what Mike would do" on 6:16 in LA, I don't think he was referring to the child abuse allegations MJ suffered from. (Kendrick's bigged up Michael Jackson a few times, featured a picture of him on his Overly Dedicated mixtape cover and wore the signature MJ shiny glove on the Mr.Morale tour, so I don't think he would do those things if he thought Michael Jackson was a pedo)I think he was referring to how Drake has snakes in his camp, being that this was the main topic Kendrick touched on in the song. Michael Jackson had snakes around him too, and he is someone that Drake constantly compares himself to, hence why Kendrick referenced him at the end of the song.

    • @kamicausi
      @kamicausi Місяць тому +29

      He was also refencing "You Are Not Alone" - Michael Jackson

    • @moniquepettway-Mesapegasus
      @moniquepettway-Mesapegasus Місяць тому +25

      I agree. I don't think that he was speaking about mike in a child allegation I think that he was clowning the fact that Drake is constantly comparing himself to Michael Jackson, who, by the way wrote his own music

    • @_The8th
      @_The8th Місяць тому +37

      I think he's telling him look at the man in the mirror. Mike said if you want to make a change look at yourself. Kendrick touched on that in meet the grahams.

    • @kingvega3004
      @kingvega3004 Місяць тому +3

      @@moniquepettway-Mesapegasus Agreed

    • @kingvega3004
      @kingvega3004 Місяць тому +4

      @@_The8th Facts💯

  • @markbryant8542
    @markbryant8542 Місяць тому +61

    The “what Mike would do” line is eluding to “Man in the Mirror”; take a look at yourself. It’s a constant theme in his disses

  • @lormingo5259
    @lormingo5259 Місяць тому +124

    7:41 he doesn’t care bout being a prophet he told ppl he’s no hero lol

    • @julio10a75
      @julio10a75 Місяць тому +1

      But walks around with a crown of thorns? Idk

    • @FilmAtticReviews
      @FilmAtticReviews Місяць тому +29

      @@julio10a75 that’s to match his moniker as the savior of rap…it’s thorns like Jesus, the savior…its metaphorical ya know…

    • @LordSwagtron
      @LordSwagtron 9 днів тому +1

      @@julio10a75ever gave it a single thought that Kendrick calling himself “Mr. Morale”… might be… ironic… on purpose?

  • @larrywoolfolk8224
    @larrywoolfolk8224 Місяць тому +218

    "Kendrick stooping low." I don't think you realize what truly makes a man, a flawed man, is more dangerous than those who will do ANYTHING to keep the perfect image. Any older rap fans know that Kdot changed the narrative of being culturally aware rapper and that it doesn't have to be corny or stale. That is why it is a "shock", kinda like when you see a dog that looks peaceful only for it to deliver a fatal bite.
    Does Kdot deserve the crown, eh not more than anyone else who is talented, but it takes BALLS to do what Kendrick did, and why it's such a shock to a lot of people because this hasn't been seen since "Tupac vs Biggie"

    • @HarleyQuinn-dp6rj
      @HarleyQuinn-dp6rj Місяць тому +4

      FACTS

    • @nailodie3136
      @nailodie3136 Місяць тому +34

      And I'm a bit confused about the take on Kendrick stooping low, when he's been kinda clear about him being ready to punk rappers before Like Thta dropped.

    • @HarleyQuinn-dp6rj
      @HarleyQuinn-dp6rj Місяць тому +12

      @@nailodie3136 WE ALL CONFUSED SERIOUSLY 😕 ITS LIKE HE MISSED THE WHOLE POINT

    • @nqobanizikhali
      @nqobanizikhali Місяць тому +4

      Kendrick fo sho deserves the crown he's the most versatile and creative rapper/musician I've ever seen

    • @HarleyQuinn-dp6rj
      @HarleyQuinn-dp6rj Місяць тому +9

      @nqobanizikhali And like Kdot said the crown is Heavy ...not from jewelry or gold but Responsibility

  • @bgonskobe
    @bgonskobe Місяць тому +49

    Kendrick gained tons of new fans. Once these new fans learned that Kendrick ‘s lyrics are laters deep. They now get it. This diss made k’s albums be heard by many new listeners.

    • @NigelGresley_OG
      @NigelGresley_OG 17 днів тому +1

      Hi how ya doing (lol) I'm a railroad enthusiast so when on not like us he started talking bout Georgie homie had me stunned that whole verse was wildly good it showed me how educated Kendrick is and I have heavy respect for him now can't wait to listen to his older stuff

    • @NigelGresley_OG
      @NigelGresley_OG 17 днів тому +1

      Mind you I don't even listen to rap not like that at least

  • @vexxy1443
    @vexxy1443 Місяць тому +84

    I like the video. I feel as if you got your perspective on Kendrick totally wrong, saying it's personal, saying he stooped so low. It's a good video, but that part could not be further from the truth.
    I mean no harm, so let me try to educate you. Kendrick is and has always been for the culture, BLACK culture, the black culture which birthed true hip-hop within America. It's something he, of course, will be passionate about because it affects our people. However, most people who are not within the culture will not understand. If they try to understand without proper guidance, it leads to misinformed or ignorant (lack of knowledge) opinions that will only perpetuate this cycle of misinformation being spread. Kendrick stood for the culture of genuine black hip-hop and real BLACK music, from jazz to hip-hop, which he's always represented.
    Drake is, unfortunately, shallow and doesn't really do anything for the culture but steal and portray as if he's actually a part of the culture. Along with the many other skeletons Drake apparently has, it gave K Dot ammo, sure. But don't confuse the current topic of a song or the contents of a song, meaning the lyrics, to be the only reason why they are beefing. It's essentially a good vs. not good. Someone who stands for something vs. another who stands for nothing but continues to profit from destroying hip-hop.
    Again, great video. This is just a better perspective on black hip-hop culture to help you understand better.

    • @vexxy1443
      @vexxy1443 Місяць тому +5

      Also, I subscribed and liked. Looking forward to more videos.

    • @JacksonsMusicPalate
      @JacksonsMusicPalate  Місяць тому +21

      Thanks for putting me on! this is certainly something I can and will try to gain more insight on

    • @Jeffkabs23
      @Jeffkabs23 Місяць тому +4

      True information. But you need to re-evaluate Kendrick Lamar again see from his first mainstream albums to the last one you will truly understand Kendrick Lamar well as I can't say the same to drake he is a disease which keeps killing the real reason of hiphop culture intoxicating instead of teaching and be a leader of new generation.

    • @mrD66M
      @mrD66M 29 днів тому

      ​@Jeffkabs23 Drake is a symptom, the product of a society that lost its bearings in the Internet age and seeks to monetize everything. If it was not him it would've been someone else

    • @tmac6071
      @tmac6071 25 днів тому +1

      Real Talk

  • @throwbacktheatre5957
    @throwbacktheatre5957 Місяць тому +129

    I do find it interesting and clever, that we have not seen Kendrick irl not one time. A visual silent verbal assassin.

    • @markuskoivisto
      @markuskoivisto Місяць тому

      Wdym irl

    • @throwbacktheatre5957
      @throwbacktheatre5957 Місяць тому +20

      @@markuskoivisto We have seen Cole on stage, Drake on IG, other than his music, we have not heard or seen Kendrick.

    • @abillionzebras
      @abillionzebras Місяць тому +5

      @@throwbacktheatre5957You think he’s not really following anything that’s going on except for drakes disses and has no idea what the public is saying about his latest diss tracks? He probably is but lmao imagine
      Would be funny if for all he knew the public was crowning drake the winner 😭😭

    • @HarleyQuinn-dp6rj
      @HarleyQuinn-dp6rj Місяць тому +2

      Omg it's killing me lol

    • @LUCKY-lf2jv
      @LUCKY-lf2jv Місяць тому +9

      @@throwbacktheatre5957 unless it's tour or a collab you'll never really hear or see kendrick

  • @SPACECOWBOY705
    @SPACECOWBOY705 Місяць тому +39

    "IF IT DON'T SPEAK TO MY SOUL, I JUST CAN'T LISTEN TO IT" - BIG K.R.I.T.
    "I MAKE MUSIC THAT ELECTRIFIES, YOU MAKE MUSIC THAT PACIFIES" - THE GREATEST HIP HOP ARTIST OF ALL TIME

  • @moonrocks
    @moonrocks Місяць тому +10

    Mr Morale album was the "skeletons." He denounced any savior/prophet pinnings on him and basically said i gotta work on myself. This beef was about their place in the culture of hip hop

  • @ArmandoVerdugo8
    @ArmandoVerdugo8 Місяць тому +46

    I think you're wrong about this at 7:50. He made Mr morale to show the world the skeletons in his closet and hes very open about who he is and where he's at in his life trying to continue to grow and get better as a person. So i dont think he had anything to lose in that perspective

  • @timmiejordan9648
    @timmiejordan9648 29 днів тому +5

    Idk if another rapper would’ve thought to write meet the grahams. Hearing it for the 1st time was unlike any diss track I’ve ever heard

  • @wulfagent
    @wulfagent Місяць тому +46

    if there’s one thing i’d like to bring up here, it’s that Kendrick has actually shown his duality throughout his music. He may be trying to hold himself to a higher standard, but if need be, he can and WILL get his hands dirty.
    On the OG version of Element/Paramedic, he calls out rappers that were taking shots at him (Sean, French and Jay Elec). even before this was revealed, he had taken shots at Jay Electronica on Untitled 07. lastly, something with a narrative such as the second verse on XXX has Kendrick showing that he is not afraid to get aggressive should he feel he has a reason to. he even outright dares others Drake specifically to test him and see what happens.
    i bring this up to say that i dont think it shouldve been all that surprising that Kendrick would go as low as to target Drake’s neck in this beef as he has shown how willing he is to do so. just figured i’d mention that as well ^^

  • @Goldfeathers7
    @Goldfeathers7 Місяць тому +39

    I think you’re young, so you don’t understand that any man that has earned the personal development, the ability to carry himself with poise, integrity, and nobility has contained his ability to do just the opposite. Any man, demonstrating great peace, is capable of war, AND EVERY MAN, must have the capacity to engage in war with all of its nastiness when necessary. this will not diminish the character of Kendrick for the culture his music appeals to. Understand that.

    • @Owoheirs
      @Owoheirs 16 днів тому +1

      Si vis pacem, para bellum.

  • @andreahailey7399
    @andreahailey7399 Місяць тому +10

    This did NOT start with Like That. This has been brewing for years. Drake is envious of KL's ability to only come around every few years, rarely change his flow yet stay relevant.

  • @denverjohnson5640
    @denverjohnson5640 Місяць тому +15

    Only those who come from the culture, truly understand the culture.

    • @shaspearman8647
      @shaspearman8647 Місяць тому

      Right. White folks (and other outsiders, even black folks who aren’t of the cloth) will always miss the mark UNLESS they truly are enmeshed in the culture. And being a consumer of the products of a culture doesn’t make you apart of the culture

  • @tsdvaks
    @tsdvaks Місяць тому +24

    Kendrick is a Hero .

  • @rocxsolid
    @rocxsolid Місяць тому +28

    How he gone tell us what the rules are and you not even from the US nor did you grown up in a black community 😂😂😂😂

    • @ms.battle9055
      @ms.battle9055 Місяць тому +5

      Right lol make it make sense. The others are a trip.

  • @brandonweber4090
    @brandonweber4090 Місяць тому +58

    Please continue making content for as long as you can. I’m sure I speak for many other people when I say you bring extremely unique perspectives on music, and I would love to see it continue for as long as possible.

    • @JacksonsMusicPalate
      @JacksonsMusicPalate  Місяць тому +10

      thank you for your encouragement, friend

    • @RadahnBLANK
      @RadahnBLANK Місяць тому +4

      ​@@JacksonsMusicPalate i truly believe your channel is a hidden gem

    • @HarleyQuinn-dp6rj
      @HarleyQuinn-dp6rj Місяць тому

      NAW NOT ON THIS TOPIC HE SOUND LIKE HE PIECING INFO TOGETHER WITHOUT RESEARCH AND FULL UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT TF GOING ON !!!!

    • @luiz_fuego
      @luiz_fuego 21 день тому

      ⁠​⁠@@HarleyQuinn-dp6rjwho are u to tell him wat he can and can’t do?

    • @HarleyQuinn-dp6rj
      @HarleyQuinn-dp6rj 21 день тому

      @@luiz_fuego SPEAK WHEN SPOKEN TO OR STFU 👍🏽

  • @AllTheArtsy
    @AllTheArtsy Місяць тому +31

    the thing is.... Kendrick cab make his kind of music because he is Kendrick. in a way, Melle Mel was right when he said Kendrick is not "influential" because it is true that despite his success, very few rappers will want to (or, more to the fact, be able to) emulate him because his way would not make money for most artists today. He is solidified, so he can release music sporadically, disappear for years, not engage in social media. And while lyrical rap is favored and "pure," not every artist would he called to do that work, and not every music needs to be that.

  • @kmarcol1
    @kmarcol1 Місяць тому +69

    You don't actually listen to kendrick, do you

    • @zazaza1000
      @zazaza1000 Місяць тому +5

      Right?

    • @jaydeey6895
      @jaydeey6895 29 днів тому

      Why do you say that?

    • @zazaza1000
      @zazaza1000 29 днів тому +20

      @@jaydeey6895 he clearly missed many a point and made sweeping statements that showed he was not truly listening closely, nor had he been listening for a long time, nor had he even paid enough attention to the details of this entire beef.

    • @jaydeey6895
      @jaydeey6895 29 днів тому

      ​​@@zazaza1000What specifically did he say that was wrong? Are you talking about the savior stuff?

    • @zazaza1000
      @zazaza1000 29 днів тому +30

      @@jaydeey6895 plenty of things.
      He said the beef ended with Meet the Grahams and that it started with the Like That verse. He said that 6-16 in LA is where the beef picks up steam and completely left out Euphoria, which is a clear highlight and turning point of the beef. He just glosses over key details and also does not address black culture and why this is a central theme in Kendrick's stance and hip hop in general. Then he also only cited Anthony Fantano of all people as some sort of authority on thos beef, while there were so many other creators with more nuanced, and educated takes, but they just don't happen to be white. It's like, don't waste our time with this white-washed take. It's not about saying white people can't have commentary on this, but it's just ironic given the actual point Kendrick is making.

  • @MrPatchy248
    @MrPatchy248 Місяць тому +44

    I disagree with the pretext that all art should be treated with the same level of of interest and seriousness considering different works have different purposes, but I can get behind the argument of wanting the art to be its best/healthiest self

  • @kazumakariama
    @kazumakariama 28 днів тому +4

    I won't lie, i don't listen to rap. However, their are traces of it on my playlist and daily grind. After listening to Kendrick, i've been awakened. This guy is legendary.

  • @iDewThis4Yu
    @iDewThis4Yu Місяць тому +29

    From minute 4 on …yes.. just yes.
    For the life of me I cannot understand what Drake has ever made to have people so obsessed..

    • @lesleycooper8966
      @lesleycooper8966 Місяць тому +4

      Speak on it! His fans represent the shallowness of rap now.

    • @fasttrack70
      @fasttrack70 Місяць тому +2

      Not gonna lie when drake dropped back in the day I thought he was good and then I saw the video of him reading off a phone on a freestyle show he lost me drakes fans said the change of beat threw him from some one who just used to freestyle absolute bollocks for fun I lost loads of respect for him from that

    • @El_Cochon
      @El_Cochon Місяць тому +8

      It’s the colonizer part, people love the artist he does features with. Him being a pop star doing music with hip hop artist is the problem. I feel sorry for those who did features with him and never made it back or the artistes that got stuck at the ovo sweat shop. I was a fan in the past, he dropped a mixtape called the drizzy effect and fast forward to the past years, that’s really all it is. K dot snapped people out the effect and brought meaning back to music

    • @fasttrack70
      @fasttrack70 Місяць тому +1

      @@El_Cochon there is stuff out there where he's jumped on a song and asked to be paid for a feature and then put the tune out there anyway and then the artist not come back from it

    • @El_Cochon
      @El_Cochon Місяць тому +3

      @@fasttrack70 yes I seen recent videos showing that he basically strong armed different artist into signing to ovo or paying 250k for the feature, I had no idea that he was moving like that. I didn’t read your comment before mine but I believe the freestyle your speaking about is the one from hot 97 when he was talking about doing donuts in the Aston. I remember when that dropped and it was good but like you said was being read off the phone. I’m pretty sure if you try to look for videos of him doing freestyles, he most definitely practiced it before hand

  • @doubllechief6926
    @doubllechief6926 Місяць тому +17

    Just like his music, Kendrick's intentions are probably multi-layered. But I do believe this is one of the intended angles of the beef.

  • @ShroomDoggyDogg
    @ShroomDoggyDogg Місяць тому +6

    No person could possibly be perfect. Kendrick “stooping down” to a different level is showing he’s a regular man that has moments of confrontation and occasionally gives his ego the satisfaction of being called the best and the greatest. It’s another huge dub for KDot in my opinion

  • @neirrad
    @neirrad Місяць тому +7

    Kendrick has said he was willing to go this low, and he's been talking to Drake as far back as Poetic Justice.

  • @johnmcglade4010
    @johnmcglade4010 Місяць тому +6

    The real problem is everyone who listened to Drake all these years.

  • @tmcclendon290
    @tmcclendon290 Місяць тому +12

    Kendrick had to show what Real Hip Hop is. Not this watered down version. Not like us. Which also means, if you can't say every word in Kendrick songs you are an outsider. Get it, not like us . Don't care who consumes it .

    • @AlvinWillistonDavis
      @AlvinWillistonDavis 29 днів тому +4

      That has never been true, hip hop has been many things, communication tool, method of teaching, and the not like us doesnt refer to the fact that some people cant say nigga, it refers to the idea of realness. Not what you are, but who you are. Case in point Clarence Thomas, black as hell, but he ain't like us. Its about morals and culture.

  • @NarutoJK-jh7tr
    @NarutoJK-jh7tr Місяць тому +16

    This wasn’t initated by Kendrick, and this was not the first shots they been sending at eachother. They been going at eachother post control, cause drake was sensitive abt it

  • @garbags9610
    @garbags9610 Місяць тому +5

    Kendrick has said before that he views being the best emcee as an artform , the fact that drake has claimed the no.1 spot while having ghostwriters and little to no substance in his music has never sat right with Kendrick. I think from his perspective its pretty offensive. His latest album he said " father issues kept me competitive, thats a fact n***A i dont care whats the narrative i am THAT N***A
    King kenny has proved to us all why hes no 1

  • @toasterhothead3312
    @toasterhothead3312 Місяць тому +4

    Meet the Grahams got a visceral reaction out of everyone,

  • @HarleyQuinn-dp6rj
    @HarleyQuinn-dp6rj Місяць тому +8

    "IM NOT GOING TO SAY KENDRICK IS A HERO...HES NOT" LMAO....YOU FEEL BETTER???? CAUSE LONG AS GOD GOT US WE GON BE "ALRIGHT" DO YOU HEAR ME?? DO YOU FEEL ME??

  • @wrestlingxgaming8832
    @wrestlingxgaming8832 29 днів тому +2

    Am I the only one feeling like there is a huge misunderstanding of the relationship between the two individuals and the cold beef going on in this vid

  • @Swanaenae
    @Swanaenae Місяць тому +11

    This is why I like ur vids bro, I feel like u have a unique perspective on stuff 😎

  • @StillWaters101
    @StillWaters101 10 днів тому +3

    "Only you like being famous." End of Story.

  • @PrincessOfATL
    @PrincessOfATL Місяць тому +5

    I also don’t think “some of us” look at him as savior. We just understand what he’s trying to do and honestly it’s commendable because many won’t. They get sucked in and spread bull to the masses. Kendricks lyrics feels more like trying to help people. Trying to uplift. Encourage healing so that love can spread through. I see why some see savior but to me he’s just that one. He gets it. He’s a respectable rapper when we have little. He’s also still freaking cool. 😂❤

  • @brittanymarch8012
    @brittanymarch8012 15 днів тому

    Thank you for taking the time to do this. I loveeeeeeeeee your perspective

  • @user-wf7hm3es5o
    @user-wf7hm3es5o Місяць тому +6

    Ur channel is great bro hope you succeed very insightful and smart

  • @Ricky-wz3su
    @Ricky-wz3su Місяць тому +3

    YESSSSS!!! it's always a good day when my boy uploads, as always appreciate your nuanced take. especially with a topic that's been covered into the ground, truly a goat of youtube 🙏 not like us my dude

  • @ayyjayy2583
    @ayyjayy2583 Місяць тому

    That ending was truly moving to me personally. Great content brother.

  • @thanos879
    @thanos879 Місяць тому +7

    “Beef of the century”. Rap is not even 100 years old 😂

    • @jamesosborne8081
      @jamesosborne8081 29 днів тому +3

      Beef of the 21st century 🙄

    • @Lemon_Drums_USA
      @Lemon_Drums_USA 10 днів тому +1

      Yes it is. Jazz vocalist where rapping in the 1920’s

  • @elijahcherweznik3505
    @elijahcherweznik3505 Місяць тому

    Really really well done video. I'm excited to look at your past catalogue.

  • @brianc620
    @brianc620 Місяць тому +3

    The point is just the final point. It's not even about Drake. It's about a return to what hip hop was as a reflection of the cultures it emerged from. Drake's music is not hip hop. It's at best hip pop.
    The realest diss was not Meet the Grahams. The realest diss was Not Like Us. The reason is because of the totality of what the words Not Like Us means when applied to a west coast beat. Kendrick is using the beat selection to basically say that this is where he comes from. This is an authentic reflection of his hip hop heritage. Meanwhile, Drake is over there using Chicago drill type beats on Push Ups when he's Canadian. When looking at the hip hop culture, whether it's LA, Chicago, Atlanta, New York, etc., they all have a style that reflects their regional culture. I'd say even Toronto kind of does but does it embrace Drake or does Drake embrace it? Not in this beef. The kill shot was Kendrick calling Drake a colonizer who is using hip hop culture just for profit.

  • @mario121221
    @mario121221 Місяць тому +3

    This is illuminate man, love it. greetings from italy

  • @joeclark-nc7lw
    @joeclark-nc7lw 29 днів тому

    Amazing video! Definitely will be watching more.

  • @siranthonyhall7595
    @siranthonyhall7595 29 днів тому +7

    Drake: There’s rules in this shit
    KDot: Ain’t no law boy u ball boy fetch gatorade or sumn

  • @jamesmccaul2945
    @jamesmccaul2945 Місяць тому +3

    Kendrick seems heroic to me.

  • @PrincessOfATL
    @PrincessOfATL Місяць тому

    I sooo appreciated your take on this whole thing. Really loved it actually. You went wayyy deeper than most, thank you. 🙏🏾 ❤

  • @huggarugga
    @huggarugga Місяць тому

    Great perspective, and great video.

  • @plainrosiejane
    @plainrosiejane 16 днів тому +1

    "kendrick is stooping so low he's risking his entire career." one of the most ridiculous things ive heard.

  • @roarkmu5ic
    @roarkmu5ic Місяць тому +1

    This was very well said. I 100% agree with this opinion and understanding of what this beef was about. Great job and very eloquently put.

  • @johnlindsay7301
    @johnlindsay7301 Місяць тому

    What a great essay. Thanks for putting all your heart into this. It meant something to me. And I think you’re 100%right now

  • @space3828
    @space3828 Місяць тому +1

    I seen someone in here say you have a unique perspective and i agree you do and I enjoyed it so ill definitely watch more.

  • @LadyFlawless
    @LadyFlawless 26 днів тому +4

    I'm going to break this down for you. Very simply.
    Drake is an actor playing the role of a rapper. He's a culture vulture, A. Cosplaying Foreigner. Foreign both to this country and this culture.
    Kendrick is born and bred from hip hop culture, which is Black American ORIGINATED culture. That's all there is to it... Fundamentally. Everything else is just details.

  • @DistrictWitch
    @DistrictWitch Місяць тому +3

    Why does no one ever bring up the fact that drake's whole image - ovo, owls, October blah blah blah - is all super obvious freemason symbolism?

    • @XxX_ULTIMATEGOD_XxX
      @XxX_ULTIMATEGOD_XxX Місяць тому +3

      Not masonic. Bohemian.

    • @DistrictWitch
      @DistrictWitch Місяць тому

      @@XxX_ULTIMATEGOD_XxX lol - so the same thing?

    • @zombieboy937
      @zombieboy937 Місяць тому +1

      ​@@DistrictWitchno two different orgs with different symbol sets.

    • @SCHRODINGERS_WHORE
      @SCHRODINGERS_WHORE 29 днів тому

      "weaving spiders, come not here." 🤔🤔🤔

    • @DistrictWitch
      @DistrictWitch 29 днів тому

      @@zombieboy937 insane amounts of owl symbology in freemasonry though mate. Especially as it relates to the OTO, from what I know

  • @kuroihakuchou
    @kuroihakuchou 29 днів тому +2

    Only thing I disagree with is the fact that Kendrick didn't actually start this beef in all actuality, Drake did with Cole on First Person Shooter (For All The Dogs Album)

  • @bobbytropo2314
    @bobbytropo2314 Місяць тому +2

    Great video. I just wished you touched more on the buildup. This doesn't start with like that this starts with the very beginning of Kendricks career when he toured with Drake. The subliminal back and forth they've been having in terms of sneak disses and actual artistic output over the last decade frames this in a very different perspective
    The overall thesis you've presented here is very valid but I think you should look into the deeper history behind this feud to add more ammo to your argument.

  • @pluztaxx2718
    @pluztaxx2718 Місяць тому +2

    I love your level of discernment on this topic 💯. Minor missteps such as kendrick starting the beef is inaccurate but overall you hit everything else on the nail🎯. I always enjoy your content n appreciate the level of work you put into your content🙏🏾. THANK YOU 💪🏾🤟🏾💯

  • @dcyb5966
    @dcyb5966 29 днів тому

    19:08 why was this the craziest part of the vid 😂
    nah I’m playing great vid bro 👏🏽

  • @SohighShyloh
    @SohighShyloh 22 дні тому

    Bro gave me a whole new perspective on this beef. Thank you man

  • @meccaq
    @meccaq Місяць тому

    Really well done 👍🏿

  • @BrandoDennis
    @BrandoDennis 27 днів тому +1

    This man is talking about Kendrick like he’s Batman trying to save Gotham (Hiphop), and I’m so fucking here for it!!!!

  • @Jazzie654
    @Jazzie654 Місяць тому +1

    Kendrick Lamar has the rap industry rethinking everything.

  • @alephmale3171
    @alephmale3171 15 днів тому

    This has been how I’ve been feeling. I hope the pop out expands on this point

  • @crown1138
    @crown1138 Місяць тому

    fantastic video

  • @michaelrichards5340
    @michaelrichards5340 Місяць тому +4

    Ah.. You get the beef

  • @filmexpressreviews
    @filmexpressreviews Місяць тому

    incredible video

  • @cal2075
    @cal2075 Місяць тому +1

    This was such an amazing video i love to see another upload so soon. not like us

  • @rachidsylla9655
    @rachidsylla9655 Місяць тому

    For me this should be a catapult towards the sort of art we claim as good and really take into consideration on how now and even on a broader scale we look towards the complex and to not take it as the simple especially when we’re not looking at it for what can be but for what it is which is keeping us from potential in a scale for improvement and understanding on level of like and not off mediocrity and what can keep of false connections and really like the vid and hope for content on the great shift of hiphop and rap as we know can’t wait .

  • @creamfilled08
    @creamfilled08 Місяць тому +4

    NOT LIKE US

  • @lisolette1
    @lisolette1 20 днів тому +1

    I love your thesis of the narcissism dripping down into a stagnating culture that’s spreading , yes ! Exactly ! We need to get back to art , which Kendrick showed us .

  • @kaylensanders1799
    @kaylensanders1799 20 днів тому

    I think when he says "ask what would Mike would do" also talks about "Man in the Mirror". He was saying that Drake needs to think about what he has, what he doesn't have, and what he used to have. His past has so many things that call out his character and no thought going into that mind.

  • @Bossman22211
    @Bossman22211 Місяць тому +10

    Great video keep up the work. But I think it’s a bigger picture you didn’t touch on.. Kendrick wanted to be known black music and black art isnt something you joke about. Drake has been mocking black art black woman and his blackness for some time now. Glad Kendrick was able to call him out for it. Definitely will see a decrease in Drake value sooner than later

    • @JacksonsMusicPalate
      @JacksonsMusicPalate  Місяць тому +4

      I missed this aspect of it for sure, thanks for putting me on game! That is something that should be celebrated, and likely will as the disses age

    • @Bossman22211
      @Bossman22211 Місяць тому +3

      @@JacksonsMusicPalate no problem bro! The last verse on not like us is very important for Drake going forward. Might be the blow Drake can’t come back from because it’s true to a certain extent.

  • @HomeyPups
    @HomeyPups Місяць тому +1

    Excellent conclusion

  • @GoToSheol
    @GoToSheol Місяць тому +1

    13:28 that’s the a Germany double headed Moor eagle Kendrick be doing his homework

  • @miswaridi4962
    @miswaridi4962 12 днів тому +1

    This whole video makes me think you never really knew Kendrick

  • @tedtorqueoholic3628
    @tedtorqueoholic3628 Місяць тому

    Love this

  • @jasbirkooner7185
    @jasbirkooner7185 Місяць тому +1

    The one thing I am having a really hard time understanding is - did J. Cole really believe that Drake was part of the Big 3. I don't know why he would even think Drake would be in a category like that. I am so confused by that still.

  • @JOLTER15
    @JOLTER15 29 днів тому +1

    I don't think Kendrick had more to lose to Drake but he did have more important things to lose. I think Kendrick knew from the very start that he wasn't allowed to mess it up and fail in this war. If he lost this war, his GOAT title would have been at the least heavily questioned and at worst he would have lost everything he had built on for the past decade. But because he ended up more as the victor than the loser in comparison to Drake, it has and for sure will cement him as the greatest rapper ever as he had achieved pretty much anything and everything a rapper could achieve

  • @jintanatouati6933
    @jintanatouati6933 25 днів тому +1

    I don’t want this diss to stop!!!

  • @HappyNBoy
    @HappyNBoy Місяць тому +1

    I know you say it's not worth speculating why Drake wants to beef with Kendrick, but to my mind, it feels almost straightforward to suggest that his dislike for K-dot is basically about the thing that he has over him: artistry. Drake's popularity and success has come through a cynical reliance on stripping the artistry, authenticity and integrity from his work, whereas Kendrick has gained his acclaim through being the opposite of Drake. He's an existential threat to Drake, in that he's counted among the greats without having compromised his entire career surrendering authorship, intentionality and purpose the way Drake has. Kendrick's popularity and respect within the industry runs counter to every move Drake has made to gain his success.

  • @donamaru3630
    @donamaru3630 Місяць тому +1

    11:21 What Mike would do is a play on you are not alone song by Mike in where he says "I Am Here with you" but it does play into his pdf role cause even as a kid that was the creepiest song after the allegations

  • @matthewshuler9106
    @matthewshuler9106 26 днів тому +1

    Tbh i feel like he was talking directly to drake on taylor swifts- “bad blood” another reason drake kept calling attention to kennys work with taylor, crodie felt slighted

  • @ja1432
    @ja1432 Місяць тому

    Great Analysis

  • @neirrad
    @neirrad Місяць тому +1

    11:15 In 6:16 in LA, its a double entendre Mike could also mean the Archangel Michael, one of the three angels watching Kendrick.

  • @user-mk9ei7sv7r
    @user-mk9ei7sv7r 26 днів тому

    Bro i wish i can donate you some little money, in order to just pay respect.
    I adore your analytics and deepness of the topic you are revealing to us.
    Thank you for that.

    • @user-mk9ei7sv7r
      @user-mk9ei7sv7r 26 днів тому

      UPD: found your Patreon. Will be my first Patreon subscription ever

  • @ayejaye
    @ayejaye 4 дні тому

    New sub

  • @INVERMON
    @INVERMON 13 днів тому

    0:00 that video is canon now in the history books of this beef 😂