Kodak Vision3 250d
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- Опубліковано 25 жов 2023
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The last time I shot 250D I used the x^1.3 and it worked pretty much perfectly.
@@czelendzerii3985 To compensate for reciprocity failure I used the formula above where you substitute x for any amount of time longer than one second.
@@davekorbiger can you dumb it down a little more? I'm kinda stupid lol
@@hayleyurie3997 When you shoot film, you may encounter low light situations (e.g. at night) with unusual long exposure times. In such situations, the film generally wouldn’t respond as expected and ‘loose’ sensitivity to light. To compensate this loss of sensitivity, you can use the formula from above. Let’s say you need to expose for 5 seconds. In this case, you calculate 5^1.3 which equals roughly 8 seconds. So you have to expose the film for 8 seconds instead of 5 for a correct exposure. This formula works for most Kodak color negative films for exposures over one second. And as I originally commented, it works pretty much perfectly for Kodak 250D.
@@davekorbiger thanks for dumbing it down for us filthy casuals
Personally I think removing the REMJET for C-41 ruins the film. Film already has really great halation without having to turn it to 11 and pour coolaid all over the highlights. It's great more places are processing ECN-2 now since that will get more people shooting cine films.
You two NEED to go on a film road-trip
very true, its also a lot cheaper to buy without cinestill doing their thing
This. 100%.
Here in Brazil we've been doing this for ages, 500T and 250D gave unique looks and so much space to work on scans. It's wonderfull
I love your videos
It's weird to see a video where Jason compliments his own photos
The way mr grainy talks about monica you can just tell he loves her so much
"that fart has no personality" is perhaps one of the best insults of a fart, real or imaginary, that i've ever come across
I love this aspect ratio. it is such a pleasure to watch on a laptop with a screen with the same aspect ratio
Your photography has a painted effect. I am starting to appreciate your shots with folks not looking towards the camera, but away. Kind of draws you in to the picture. The artist within is emerging more and more.
I recently shot 500T and it was easily one of the most beautiful stocks I've shot in a while. I really enjoyed its look and colors so it will probably be something I continue to shoot in the future. I have one local lab that can process ECN-2 film so I'm pretty lucky in that regard. The lab I use is Palm Film Lab in Miami, FL.
literally gonna be shooting my first roll of 500T tmrw morning and I CANT WAIT! also have a local lab here in Seattle that processes ECN-2. God is Good 🤝
This video looks amazing on my 3:2 desktop monitor. Keep up with the aspect ratio matching the stock! It's lovely.
Great video! I've been shooting 250D and 500T for a while now. It started out as a cost saving measure, but I really fell in love with its look. There is also something to be said for knowing what a certain film will look like in certain lighting conditions.
This summer i tried pull-processing 250D by one stop. It gave kind of a golden hour look, while it was midday, I really like it.
I only ever process in C41, so i can slip in the occasional kodak gold, or something, but i might try my hand at ecn-2.
amazing loved it, every minute of it
I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that you actually added the oil slicks in post and pretended to remove them. There’s no way a motorcycle can lose that much oil and still function. 😂
This is my favorite film of all time. I have shot 400 feet of it over the years, and I have also sold some of it to make some of that money back. And, I have gotten a small amount of it in 65mm, and am rolling it in 120/220 film. Hell yeah, 220 in color is back!
Woah was just thinking about this film this morning and bam you released this video lmao thank you
man.. the humour this guy has is first class ,or „maybe get some help, or buy his prints“
Very nice colors! I too have a soft spot for warm tones in my heart
Dude this is a really good video, with some of (what I think are) your best photos in a while. It seemed like you were out of the groove with your own photography, but it's good to see you finding your feet again.
You should definitely try 50D. I’ve shot all 4 Kodak Vision3 film stock and 50D has the cleanest look with almost no visible grain.
Knew that was Jersey immediately ... gotta love the summer storms
Man your dry delivery of these jokes always get a chuckle out of me
250d has been my go to pusher for night and neon photography lately, it handles pushes much better than I'd anticipated and typically hardly needs correction outside the scan. What a fuckin deal!
How are the results at 1000 iso? Planning to push 2 stops
A friend of mine told me about 30 years ago a French wildlife cameraman made a film about wild bees in Nepal. He persuaded Kodak to make Kodak gold with a remjet backing for cinematography. Shot on 35mm it was a huge success. I think that and other developments led to early vision brand film stocks
@@phillipbanes5484 you lost me at serious photography.
Edward Hopper colors, absolutely dig it color palette.
I love you channel, you are so funny. You are like a stand-up comic for the film industry. 😂
Even if we weren’t all film heads your standup comedy routine is WORTH THE SUB
I had several times processed vision 3 in C-41. I put the film in baking soda for some minutes in my Agfa Rondinax daylight develop tank , wash it, process it and in the last step, I swipe under water the ramjet layer away with my thumb and fingers. The ramjet layer doesent get off the film, when I just wash it with baking soda. It need the mechanical work with my hands.
I have just finished my first roll of vision 3 500t. so I'm really excited to see if once its processed!!
Those shots are amazing my dude…. 🤜🏼
Your humour is on an all time high.
I’d love to see an updated in-depth look at your conversion process using NLP. Although I realize that a great magician doesn’t reveal his secrets.
Thought I’d mention IMAX camera film is actually 65mm wide. The release print is 70mm.
Nice little Aerochrome hint at the end there.
those shots around 8:57 are so nice!
big Hopper vibes on some of those museum shots man
Yoo some more wildwood pics love it
Just put in an order for the film and ecn2 chemistry... if i buy 400ft in the uk it works out at 4.40 per roll inc processing for 72 rolls. This stuff looks perfect. Great video
Saw that iconic font text with the title, man I never clicked so fast
250D is probably the most versatile film stock ever made.
I think another plus of Kodak cinema film is that the profits Don't get skimmed off by Kodak Alaris. For those who don't know, all Kodak stills film is distributed by a separate company called Kodak Alaris. They don't actually make the film. They just raise the prices and resell it to consumers. Motion picture film is different where it's directly sold by Eastman Kodak (one of the only places in the world still able to make color film)
best film stock period, i love pushing this shit, the only film stock that is affordable here in Brasil
much love from washington daylight color!!
I love 250D, I shot about 20 rolls in Ireland last year, and it absolutely NAILED the Barry Lyndon look.
I've done ECN-2 at home, but Botique Film Lab in Nashville does it for super cheap in C-41, or Atlanta Film Co. does real ENC-2.
You can still get 50D/250D/500T short ends and bulk load them. For me it's about $3-4/roll to load, and then about $4 to hand develop, or $10 for a lab.
Rolling your own 250D film at home is a cost-effective option. I'm curious about the reasons behind the price gap when compared to films like Portra or Gold.
The $3-4 per roll cost includes a margin for Kodak's profit. Canisters themselves are relatively affordable, as they can be purchased for bulk loading at approximately $1-2 each.
@@YoYoYo In my case, I reuse the same reloadable canisters that I bought years ago. I think Adorama still has similar ones available, but doing so saves some money over a disposable can.
Some of the rest of the cost is probably packaging, distribution, and paying all the folks who work making the rolls, plus a bit of profit.
The emulsion itself is also more expensive for stuff like Portra, just because of economies of scale. Kodak makes an INSANE amount of film for Hollywood. A 90-minute movie shot on 3-perf uses more than 6,000 feet of film, and the rule of thumb is 12:1 for what you shoot vs. what makes it on the screen. That's 14 miles of film! Still photography can't even touch those numbers.
So I can find short ends of 250D for 75¢/ft, but a bulk roll of Tri-X (can't find numbers for color print) is pushing $1.60/ft.
@@PrebleStreetRecords In my view, it seems that the prices are artificially inflated. If they can turn a profit with Vision 3, they could achieve the same with Kodak Gold at half the cost. Considering their struggle to keep up with demand, it appears that the only way to boost profits is by increasing prices. This was the crux of my argument. I don't think that Vision 3 stocks are of lower quality when compared to the pricier Gold or ColorPlus options, nor do I believe they are cheaper to produce.
did you shoot it at box speed or at 400?
@@SurrealExposure12 I shot it at box speed, 250, and the negatives came out pretty much perfect. I think you could get results at 400, though.
I've been meaning to shoot two bracketed rolls and develop one in C-41 and one in real ECN-2, and see what kind of range I get. Supposedly it has something like 7 stops of usable range (kodak says 14, but that's sus.)
In Portugal, Sagrada Película develops ECN-2 film, and they even sell a package of film+dev+scan for a very reasonable price
Good vibes in this video
How dare you call this a low effort video this has so much quality lmao
This film is what saved everybody's bank account when regular consumer C-41 film prices skyrocketed back in mid 2021. Still love to shoot it today.
this video is almost as exciting as invincible coming out next week
250d has been a solid contender it's very easy to remove remjet, I promise it's worth the hassle on the money you save overall
Feels weird seeing 16mm film in higher than 24mm
...I saw you but I was to shy to say hi, also the metro is probably the best place to shoot they're all so interesting
This is so mind blowing to me. KVision3 is like the most common cheap film roll you can buy here in my country. When I first shot with it the results always have this strong greenish blue tint to it, and later learned that most KV3 that is sold were bulk rolled expired leftover cinefilms and thus stopped buying it.
Recently realize that freshed KV3 exist and this video proved how good it actually can be for a cheap price. Also about ECN2 development, I find it odd that in US its not a common process while here in my country pretty much all the film lab that I know fully able to process ECN2. However I'm certain that E6 processing is very common there while there is absolutely none lab here that can do E6.
I develop my own film at home and never bother removing the remjet layer when I develop, every time I’ve tried to do it as a separate step it’s not had great results and simply developing it as normal gives me amazing results. It’s not my favourite stock but I definitely get great images from it without any issues and every time I’ve had a roll developed professionally in the correct chemicals I’ve not really noticed a huge difference to be perfectly honest. Perhaps a tiny amount of contrast but if you’re used to scanning at home it’s not something you wouldn’t dial on to taste as part of the process of scanning anyway 🤷♂️
Silly question, do you reuse the developer? As far as I know, remjet ruins the chemicals so it ends up being a one-use process
@@randypipper92 I haven’t really had any problems reusing the developer the liquid is a lot more murky and the film needs a good clean after but nothing more than that.
@@Emariess and do you develop in C41 or ECN?
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These photo’s look great Jason, I love your videos. Though I feel like you should really dive into Fuji 200 some more, it delivers quite similar results in my opinion.
Love 250D. Here in Moscow and St Petersburg labs doing ECN-II are all over the place, it's barely more expensive than C-41, and the price of this stock is hard to resist. The only downside I have found out with my lab is that 250D doesn't do well when overexposed by 4+ stops. I've done that with two rolls by mistake and got a lot of greens and magentas that were pain in the ass to get rid of.
PS I kind of love the oil puddles, especially in the last two shots - they make the shot far less sterile, give the eyes something to hook to.
I support, the oil was removed in vain
@staswlad I hope you realise the oil was added in post to joke that he painted it out. In the video shots you can see there's no oil 😂😅
@@sando5943 ))) yes, I was scammed like a child.
Some of the shots with the oil made the photo much more interesting tbh, especially 14:32
I've been working through all the bulk loaded 500T I shot in Spain, Japan and San Diego. It's sick
Wooo! 🥳 marvel cross over
Great B roll.
OH my gosh!! * minutes ago! I'm so excited to seeee!!!
Really wanna try this
DAD HAS POSTED AGAIN!
I like how Jason rhymes “warm” with “farm”
washing soda removes the remjet. mix soda crystals in 100f water and soak 4mins. ecn-2 and c41 work great at room temp, develop 15-17 minutes.
nice video, i love the tones on 250d. Are photos post processed after scanning? it's really stunning.
250D is by far my favourite colour stock. I can get it for about £6 a roll, it far exceeds Portra in image quality and bulletproof nature and the colours always hit. Honestly a killer emulsion. Also please send me your 120 Vision 3 Supplier, my Mamiya desires Vision3.
Would you mind namedropping where you get the film and which developing lab you use in the UK? This video has got me itching to shoot some more Vision3
take it easy lab in leeds can do ecn-2! been using them for over 1 year and top service@@gregkennedy0118
@@gregkennedy0118I’d like to second this
My understanding is Portra 160 and 400 are based on the vision 3 films with 800 being part of the vision 2 generation. The performance gap you’re seeing is probably mostly the chemistry difference in development
So weird seeing you ride the Silver line. You basically got on by my house and then went past my office.
My lab in the netherlands sells and develops the whole range! Very lucky and for a good price
04:35 made me laugh more than it should have 😂
These look so good! I’m confused how you parse out the rolls tho, wouldn’t it need to be inside a spool?
Actually, 250d is very Hopper. No joke. The shots are beautiful.
"that fart had no personality" HOW DID HE KNOW IT WAS A SPRAY LOL
100% agree with kodak vision 3 250d just alright
Have you ever thought of cross processing C-41 as ECN-2? I'm curious if it would get more of the low contrast look you like.
the shot at 14:30 looked great with the oil left in
Hey love the quality of your print quality. Who's your printer?
I laughed out loud with the Washington D.C joke
While ECN-2 film looks like nice, I see it as more of another option for taking stills more than a replacement for C-41. Both processes have their own unique charm to them
We need b&w stuff and darkroom shit, Jason.
Great work mate! Give a try to Karmir
gotta love cine film
Jeez I was just thinking about trying this since it's cheaper where I live. Let's see if I should
Bonus points for the King of the Hill reference.
You should look into cinemot lisboa 1999 35mm film. Very vintage and cute!
Gosh, now I got why these metro stations seem so familiar ... Fallout 3.
I´ve been there.
Lovely video
That house photo @9:03.... god damn
The point is that Kodak Vision 3 allows a lot of room to be edited in post-production in the way the author wants. For example, your final photos with Vision 3 250D are very different from mine. Yours look a bit lo-fi and candid, mine with more marked tones, especially red and green, and more contrast.
That Kodak Vision 3 is like this is a virtue at a professional level in film production, but perhaps it is somewhat problematic for fans of analog photography, since it is a film with a changing personality, not very marked, and you can say that something is Vision 3 and at the same time show another roll of Vision 3 with very different tones.
Thank you. Greetings
I wish I had panic brought some bricks of C200 :( I develop my own cine film at home. The funny thing is afterwards you gear looks clean and you can develop normal C41 fine, but if you wipe it with a cloth that charcoal turns out its everywhere hahaha. And your not wrong... Blix does look like forbidden cola.
Wait did he paint IN the black sludge?? I dont see the leaks in the videos…or did i miss a joke
He painted it in.
So well played. 😂
HELL YEAH
it's interesting that D/T series film has only been catching attention in North America recently. In china it has been a big thing for about 4 years now. Although i think if you're considering affordability, ECN-2 development essentially makes up for the price difference lol
the grain in the fart was noticeable but manageable
If you are in EU, Safelight Berlin also does ENC-2, I send my rolls there.
Have you ever tried Amber stock? I got it in Japan. Also a cinema film stock. Looked similar to this one, though probably even more flat.
It was either this or Titanic. Glad I watched this because 1. It was drier than a Utah wedding 2. My wife fell asleep and forgot about Titanic
That fart has no personality is the greatest line I’ve experienced
Did he paint the oil out of the picture or did he paint them in to screw with his buddy? 🤔
I need to get some trademarks filed 500T, 250D, etc. Gonna get rich suing Kodak for trademark infringement!
😭💀
@@phillipbanes5484 Oh, certainly. If Cinestil tried to actually do a lawsuit, The trademark would be invalidated. The Catlabs' law firm was spot-on in their reply to Cinestill. That doesn't help the small time sellers that were crushed. It just emphasizes the stupidity of it that Cinestill almost certainly lost more sales in this idiotic trademark thing than they will have gained.
Liked the part where you took photos. Thank you