The World Should Recognise Jerusalem As Israel’s Capital
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- Опубліковано 23 жов 2018
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Trump’s recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel has sparked outrage around the world. The Palestinian ambassador to London claims Trump’s move amounts to ‘declaring war on 1.5 billion Muslims’, and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has warned that the US could ‘plunge the region and the world into a fire with no end in sight’.
But why all the fuss? According to many of Israel’s supporters, it’s no secret that Jerusalem has been the de facto capital of Israel since its creation. Jerusalem is home to Israel’s Parliament and Supreme Court. It’s where both the Israeli Prime Minister and the President reside. But more than that, Jerusalem has been the spiritual and cultural capital of the Jewish people for thousands of years. Sure, there might be some disputes over a few neighbourhoods and holy sites. But every other country across the globe has the right to choose their own capital. Why not the world’s only Jewish state?
Others warn, however, that symbolic recognition of Jerusalem would be a mortal blow for the currently frozen Israeli-Palestinian peace process. According to the 1993 Oslo Accords, the final status of Jerusalem is meant to be discussed in the latter stages of peace talks - so Trump’s move stalls further progress and rules out US involvement in any future deal. And let’s not forget that East Jerusalem has been occupied by Israel for over fifty years, giving Israel dominion over hundreds of thousands of Palestinian residents and some of the most fiercely contested holy sites in the world. Why should the world recognise Israel’s sovereignty over land that doesn’t belong to it? The Palestinians insist that any two-state peace agreement must also include East Jerusalem as their own capital. So not only would it be a bad move for peace and stability - recognising Jerusalem as Israel’s capital would be a denial of the fundamental right of the Palestinian people to their own homeland.
Ghada threw civility out the window at the jump with her condescending pomposity
I will never understand how the fact that someone lived somewhere thousands years ago gives this person more right to be in that place than the person who lived there a generation ago! I am not against Israel as such, the people are there now and the only solution is to work out how to make the situation just for Israelis and Palestinians. But the notion that Jews have more claim to that land than Palestinians is ridiculous.
Thank you! I felt like I was the only who was confused by that.
They keep repeating the point that the jews have a right to the land because they were there 3000 years ago, which sounds completely nonsensical to me.
It's as if a guy forces his way into your home and says, "Hey, this used to be my house 30 years ago, so now it's mine. Fuck off."
And then when you protest, the police show up and say that the intruder has a point and comes up with a solution: give the guy half of the house or you'll get kicked out.
Messed up isn't it?
@Viktor Zalesak That was a ridiculously long retort that doesn't actually address the issue. Read the main comment here again. It shouldn't matter if anyone lived there a thousand years ago or that they were even the first people in the land. If we started giving land to people who first settled there, the world would be in utter chaos. Modern Israelis came in and displaced the recent inhabitants by force. And then they argued that that was ok bc they lived there once upon a time. That's like an intruder coming into your home and saying it's his now because his family lived there 3000 years ago. Ridiculous logic.
@Viktor Zalesak you keep calling semites anti semites are you are troll or a dumb ass
@Viktor Zalesak isis are you talking about isis who ware treated in israeli hospitals and and released to slaughter more muslims and christians ? please stop with your propaganda israel does not ecxist since the creation of the bible and u manipulated the bible to suite ur needs THE WHOLE WORLD CANTS STAND ISRAEL NOT EVEN REAL JEWS JUST BECAUSE 1 PRESIDENTS SUPPORTS U DOES NOT MEAN THE WHOLE COUNTRY DOES LOLLLLL GET OVER IT PALESTINE JERUSALEM AS CAPITAL AMEN
I am sorry to say that this claim can be presented by a person who does not know history of a region (ancient or recent), the Jews and the Palestinians.
I'll make an example: If the Tibetans people had been forced out form the place they are living and practicing their cultural and spiritual lives for centuries (no matter by whom). Then after some time another group of people moved there and lived there for a generation, would it say that the newcomers has more right to be there than the Tibetans who keen to return to the land of their ancestors with the unquestioned spiritual and cultural deep connection to that place?
I'll let you guess who are the Tibetans in this example.
"If I don't steal it, someone else will"
-An honest self defending theif
Absolutely ridiculous and irrelevant to point this quote out as a guiding principle or a way of life of all Jews or Israelis. His opinions don’t apply to all of the Israelis! Do your opinions apply to all of the people who live in your country? Of course not! You know that there are also Jews who are called “Neturei Karta” who deny the existence of Israel and the Holocaust?? So what does it mean? That all Jews and Israelis think the same? They are a minority group within the Jewish community. We are divided too within our community. That’s the way of life, all around the world. This person is an individual and holds a far right position and believes that Palestinians should leave the land of the Jews. So what? Does it mean all of the Jews in Israel think the same? Just because he believes it, doesn’t mean he is legitimated to do so. It’s a country, with rules! Not the Wild West! We have many parties in the Israeli government who represent different values and positions of Israelis - Jews, Arabs and all minorities. Please open your mind to other opinions and positions of Israelis. Thank you.
@@user-gt3yp7mb3y If you are a member of Neturei Karta or a true practicing Jew, I have an immense respect for you. If your are settled in Israel on someone else's property, you are not a Jew following the commandments, you are a settler colonial, promoting apartheid and I won't waste my time on you.
Don’t take a quote out of context. That guy was a tenant accused of stealing the house.
@@obaid.h and I suppose you are a Jew yourself, to be entitled to tell me how to practice Judaism? Or to tell me if I’m a true practicing Jew or not. There is no apartheid. You’re more than welcome to come and visit more than 2 million Israeli Arabs who live among us freely and happily.
Jews have been living there since before the Arabs took the land from the Byzantines at the point of a sword.
There was never a sovereign nation known as “Palestine”
A sovereign nation doesn’t
allow the Ottomans to hand it over to the British, nor would it let the British control what Jews come in. Truly a land without a people for people without a Land.
The Arabs living there didn’t have a country to be taken.
All Jews are Indigenous people of Israel. No Arab is.
You cannot have a Palestinian state on Israel’s doorstep....who threaten their very existence.
The Arabs already have vast amounts of land. Leave a tiny sliver for the Jews.
Anything based on an injustice will not prevail.... it’s just a matter of time.
u mean like the slauaghter of the hundreds of millions of natives in the americas, by colonizers. So when do u think the societies in the western hemisphere will be falling?
Imperial D it’s a matter of principle nothing more nothing less. I’m not going to engage in speculation.
Have a good day! 🙂
So you're saying you support the case for recognising Jerusalem as Israeli then? (Hint : The things you see as unjust are NOT necessarily the same as the things others see as unjust. You are kinda begging the question there presuming that is you aren't refering tothe injustice of Jerusalem NOT being globally accepted as the Jewish states capital city which in fact it is.).
@@imperiald3864 What an Idiot, The Native Americans have Gotten there Justice and have equal rights, No one demands anyone to go back home idiot
@@Astrostevo It's illegal to annex Occupied territory, Jerusleam is an Occupied city, The US when it occupied Iraq couldn't Make Baghdad it's capital and neither could Israel
A great thief once said “If I don’t steal it, someone else will.” __Jacob
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@For Myself.. 😈TROLL.
You speak with forked tongue.
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Israel 🇮🇱
If left alone Israel is a threat to No one
@@Petal4822 just look at the entire middle east and tru to find one country that is more democratic, working towards peace, actually care about human rights and wellbeing, accepting all religions. One.
I am shocked by the way the moderator trying to correct the numbers of people who are killed in gaza as if it’s don’t matter.
They of course do care however, they are trying to be as neutral as possible and bring factual data, not correcting it would be a bit bias and would be wrong in a factual and diplomatic manner.
@@dragondaniel0574 death is still death regardless of numbers.. its unforgivable..
@@latifzaman830 this is a debate, and hence they have to respectfully correct wrong statements what they did
@ they only send that many because of the iron dome tho
@ירון זוהר the people are innocent. but the government are not. even black jews are discriminated and not able to get justice when white jews cop shot dead a black jew.
the lady at the start talking about dispelling myths without a hint of irony. Israel believe its their homeland because god says so. I mean where do you even start on nonsense like that
No we believe that it's our homeland because it is, we lived here 3000 years ago, we had a kingdom that was taken away from us and then we got exiled from our land. Yous should learn more about Judaism and history before making such claims.
@@Michelle-vi9gx Palestinian Jews have lived there in harmony with Palestinian Christians and Muslims for centuries. It doesnt belong to the house-squatting colonialist zionists that came from american suburbs.
@@Michelle-vi9gx Kingdoms and empire come and go. The Roman Empire also fell. You don't hear Italians claiming the city of Baath in the UK on the basis it was built by the Romans.
@@Addamo What? Your analogy is very wrong... Romans conquered their lands, Jews are the ethnic people of Judea, they inhabited the land before Islam existed, before arabs existed, how is that even comparable? Besides Romans are not even direct ancestors of Italians and Italians have their own land, it's not like they were exiled from everywhere they went like Jews and it's not like Italians had two thirds of their European population slaughtered in a genocide in the middle of Europe. Those are two completely different things. Per say Italians were descendants of Romans, if they were exiled from their land, but some of them stayed, and then 500 years later France, Switzerland and Austria would sent people to live in their land without them establishing a state or anything and then Italians came back to their land after a genocide was committed against them. Would it be fair if the people living there now wouldn't want to share the land with them, then start a war against them and lose, and then claim that they are being colonized by Italians while living in Italy and not accepting Italians as ethnic people of Italy? Now isn't that kind of funny? Because that's a direct analogy.
@@Addamo the Italians still have Rome. Why can't Jews have Jerusalem.
Sometimes this "debates" are truly bad. This is one example.
♥️ it a shameless bunch of lies
@@funjoyknowledge3304 can you name a lie
@@Lebronwski yes, Israel.
@@khalidal-sabi7488 wdym? By “Israel” is the Quran a lie because it says the word Israel?
So mentioned by name in the quraan: “Sons or tribe of Israel (the prophet).
The lady in purple is impressive in her ability to propose historically inaccurate nonsense as if she believes it her self.
She stated facts.
In fact, both stated facts.
They only differed in their reasoning.
@@alfredthepatientxcvi It's a fact that Israelis are occupying Palestinian land. She says that it this a "myth." I wonder how she would like it if people bulldozed her home at gunpoint, kicked her off her land, then built their own home on top of it, then said it was a "myth" that her land was occupied...
she said the most factually accurate things
Grant 20th century. Yes indeed she spout her nonsense that no one believes.
@@undeadpresident palestine has no legal right to any land
The young lady is simultaneously naive and unnecessarily nasty in her arguments. It’s not only embarrassing, it does her side a disservice.
Being forthright in your argument is not the same thing as being "nasty." I would find it hard to speak to Britons without contempt, as Jerusalem was only occupied for nineteen years through their contrivance. It was Britain's client state, Transjordan, that occupied the territory that the _Encyclopaedia Britannica_ first called "the West Bank," including eastern Jerusalem. Imagine talking to the Russians about the occupation of Berlin, as though it weren't their fault that the city was occupied (or Turkey likewise with regards to Nicosia and northern Cyprus). Not only was Transjordan a British client state (carved out of the Palestine Mandatory and forbidden to Jewish habitation, nota bene), but it was a Scotsman, John Bagot Glubb, who commanded Transjordan's Arab Legion. British officers were also seconded throughout the Transjordanian army - an army that invaded Israel once the country declared its independence. The Jordanian (as it became, after extending itself to the near side of the River Jordan) occupation of Judea and Samaria was unrecognized save by Britain and Pakistan. Typical of international diplomacy's prejudice against Israel (including the non-recognition of its capital), rather than the liberated territory being reconciled to Israel, Israel was expected to give up the same territory to a heretofore non-existent people called the "Palestinians." There are almost two dozen self-declared Arab states, but that is still too few, according to the world. Another set of Arabs needs another country and it needs to be composed of the land that makes up the heart of Israel. I would struggle discussing such hypocrisy and folly with equanimity.
@@renshiwu305 there are 8 East Asian countries, I guess it’s time for Japan to leave their islands and meld with Mainland China so I can build my destined preordained nation of weebs my god said I deserved. You know, cause they are all the same and don’t have different cultures.
The whole flat earth arguement is quite stupid, like Jerusalem being the capital of Israel or not is a matter of factuality rather than politics.
what she said was true
Watch the moderator as she was giving her closing arguments, she is outraged by the that young fool. Even the x prime minister, turns his head starts looking at the blank wall.
where is mehdi hasan? :)
They won't invite him for sure
Who are they? Oxford invited him many times, And judging by Oxford's crowd his opinion is the conventional opinion, Maybe he was busy or they wanted to give someone else an opportunity or maybe they were afraid people would understand his dirty tactics.
@@nonolo8175 your haspigbara shit smells like guess guess guess . Yeah shit 💩
@@dingdingdingding2871 wtf is wrong with you? He has done debates there more than once at least. I watched 2 of them.
Dirty tactits? He destroyed every zionist he encountered in debate... Uselessly, he gave you a chance to win a debate ahahahahhahahahah @@nonolo8175
56:20 Why is the moderator yelling at her when she didn't yell at anyone on the proposition despite them actually yelling?
@Richard S Stone simplistic racism AND a contradiction to the aforementioned scenario... You're a bright one, aren't you?
It's three against one in this debate, you've got three Zionist against one Palestinian.
as usual. In case there are 2 and 2 they would say that it is an anti-Semitic debate
Iith
Looking forward to the most high God to handle this situation man believe anything I have never believed they are his chosen people of the house of ysreal you she'll know a 🌲 by the fruit it bars
One anti-semite (Nazi) against three Zionist!
PRPUD ZIONIST HERE! 🙋🇮🇱💖
Where's Mehdi Hasan? :(
Ikr he would slay them. Or abby martin
Naftali Bennett or Yair Lapid will kick his ass in any debate.
@@giacomogiacomo1194 How do you know that?
@@giacomogiacomo1194 I've seen Bennett debate. All he does is parrot the obviously bs line that the Palestinians already have two states, one in Gaza and another in Jordan. Because in the case of Gaza, we all know that a land that is totally blockaded for transport and trade is totally sovereign. And in the case of Jordan, it's definitely not a self-indictment to admit that the majority of the people living in the country to your east descend from refugees created during the formation of your own. To tell those remaining in the West Bank to piss off to Jordan gives you zero moral authority over the despots in history who expelled the Jews from their lands.
I like his ghazal singing skill and the peotry by Ehsan Danish'.yun na mil mujh se khafa ho jiese, sath chal mouje Sabah ho jiese. ishiq ko shirk ki haad taak na brrhah, na chhup mujhse khuda ho jiese'.a 'beautiful ghazal'.'urdu language'.💚🍒🍍💦
just how Palestinian debators have a lot of strong facts and logics ,I loved it #freepalestine
It is easy to lie
Of course, you are an expert when it comes to lying
yes yes their victim hood mentality is astounding
@kinggeorgethe1st554
The real victim is "USA" that kill a ton people in iraq,suriah,etc😂🤣
victimhood? the 2 jews kept talking about how their family is from there and they live there and are from there and all sorts of things@@kinggeorgethe1st554
What a sad debate... the moderator brought no quality to the debate and no control over the speakers or proper fact check
This debate was over for me as soon as they boowed the Palestinian lady to say "of course we recognize Israel as a state"...
She should have countered with "only of you stop claiming the Palestiians don't exist"
NEVER!!!!!
The old "scream loud makes me right" tactic.
So a deaf person talking loudly is wrong? Plus the murder victim on "Psycho" stabbed to death whilst having her shower was wrong because she was screaming loudly thereby making her killer right? Adjust the volume to suit your personal taste and need okay, but listen to the actual words and think about the actual arguments, the evidence and the facts please.
@@Astrostevo Screaming in a Debate dosent give you any more credibility
شمس حاسان no moral authority, so he tries to get his message over by using physical force
@@Astrostevo Lol how to you even link those two together. Psycho was fiction btw ? There is no sense or reason in your comment whatsoever...
@@lornestein7248 Omlert's offer still annexed like 10% of the West Bank and violated the Oslo Peace Agreement. Not one so called Israeli "Offer" came close to accepting the 1967 borders.
no body:
no a sing soul :
Ehud Olmert
: I PROPOSED
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My position hasn't changed much after watching this. Yet I really appreciate this debate--and IQ2 in general--for giving us such reputable speakers who passionately illustrate how they feel. It helps me understand the other side so well.
Really, thank you
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Why is Jack Straw there at all, let alone sitting on that side of the table?
Controlled opposition.
If this guy, the prime minister of Israel by yelling and shouting was proposing the peace on his terms then I don't wonder why there is no peace.
He has the right to yell. He did all he could for peace and they still walked away.. And it wasn't his terms. He said " terms agreed to by the International community!" Why can't you admit that the complete destruction of the Jewish State is your only goal. Not a 2 State honorable peace! The Arab world knows this is the truth and is slowly siding with Israel.
Lol neglecting his right to tell us anti semitic now lol
Olmert is a gem. Repeated the same point over and over again. Not an argument of any sort, just his assertion that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel and the palestinians are at fault for not having accepted his ultimatum. Essentially denied that he was shouting all the time and tried to turn it around on the elder palestinian woman. I had to turn my volume down whenever he was speaking, because he was so much louder than the other speakers. As was mentioned during the debate. Just because he shouts does not mean that his arguments are right. And he didn't even have any arguments. He also completely failed to understand that another point raised by the other side: It doesn't matter whether his government was ready to withdraw from the occupied territories. The Israel of Netanyahu is not. Neither was the pre-Olmert Israel. And I doubt Olmert-Israel was. The british speaker was right: there need to be mutual concessions for successful negotiations. I had a look at Olmerts proposal and, honestly, I fail to see where exactly he was supposed to have conceded anything. The big three of palestinian demands are a Right to Return for palestinian refugees (a right that they should have according to international law but that Israel does not grant for non-Jews), East Jerusalem, and a palestinian state in the borders of 1967, i.e. Gaza and the entire West Bank. Olmert's proposal denies a Right of Return and offers a compensation (i.e. a palestinian concession). It would have only returned the arab neighbourhoods in East Jerusalem, while keeping the jewish neighbourhoods that grew in size and number after the annexation of East Jerusalem as part of Israel (palestinian concession). Israel would not fully withdraw from the West Bank, but keep 6% of it, without compensation (i.e. a palestinian concession). Doubtful that they would have done it anyway. According to Oslo II, Israel was supposed to return the entire West Bank to palestinian control by 1997. They didn't do it, kept Area C, i.e the majority of the WB. According to the Roadmap to Peace of the early 2000s, Israel was supposed to withdraw to the pre-Intifada positions and stop and rewind their settlement activities. They didn't do it. The east border to Jordan was supposed to be controlled by an independent international entity (in Olmert's proposal), leaving Palestine only with control over the border to Israel. Again a palestinian concession. Israel has now annexed the Jordan valley. Well, the one (minor) israeli concession would have been building a road connecting the West Bank and Gaza, under palestinian administration but not under palestinian souvereignty.
Empty vessels shout the loudest, I agree Olmert have no grounds to make assumptions.
It’s better Olmert to eat some Omlet and wear a Helmet and come to debate. 😂😂
You are assuming that Palestinians have a right to the occupied territories. Technically Israel won those territories from Jordan in a defensive war. Territories gained in a defensive war are indisputable. Moreover Jordan has shown no interest in taking those lands back. They already signed peace. So when Israel gives it up its a concession that Israel is making.
@@MegaMycroft you the Israeli is the only country in the whole world has NO internationally recognized borders. Your boarders keep changing. It’s a dummy fake temporary place for you guys.
@@MegaMycroft This reply made me laugh. Ever heard of UN resolution 242? No? If I were you, I would seriously consider reading it before commenting on UA-cam.
Ehud Olmert was by far the worst speaker of the 4, and his ramblings didn't do his team any favours.
Wow that first speaker doesn't know history or ethics!
Well, she is a lawyer...
I thought she spoke very well and presented a great argument.
AM ISRAEL CHAI 💪❤️🇮🇱
This is soo obvious.Jerusalem is the capital city of Israel.Israel you are blessed of the Lord
One of the poorest panel discussions I have heard on the subject. The only one with anything informed and meaningful to say was "the young girl sitting next to Omert."
Omert was like a goldfish swimming round a small bowl.
The Palestian activist woman is a straight-up liar.
The Labour party spokesperson engaged useless cliches.
Natasha, my love, you dropped this🧠
She made some good points.
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According to Natasha, Palestinians are not all the same and not all native to Palestine for thousands of years. She forgot that Jews coming from Europe, USA and Africa are in reality actually not native to Palestine for thousands of years. Silly girl.
@@JeTaimeIsrael yeah sure, but if my ancestor migrate to another country hundreds years ago, i just cant walk in to the place and told the occupant of that place to get out. Through that logic we should give the place to roman.
@@JeTaimeIsrael You and natasha have a lot in common apart from being delusional ofcourse
They aren't 67 BORDERS. Borders mean country. They were ceasefire lines!
According to it's own constitution, Israel has no borders. Will it stop at Syria? Jordan? Maybe even Egypt??? I doubt it.
@@Bilal_Salaam lets eliminate israel
@@joemctaggart3920
Yeahhh.... go for it. And see what happens.
@darchapo
Get fucked you ass-hole. Resolution 181 stipulated withdrawal as a result of a peace treaty agreed upon and signed. Palestinians refused and adopted the Khartoom resolutions of no peace
@@patriotsforisrael3610 - Totally propaganda and lie.
People in Israel is Khazarian jews, not real jews.
The white skin shows, that they came from the north.
They have no rights to take any land from Palestinians.
Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. Not Tel Aviv, not West Jerusalem, Jerusalem.
Why did she get animated when asked if she recognised the existence of the state of Israel? She accuses the former prime minister of shouting when she also raised her voice. 😅😅
Excellent results the audience convinced that the matter is not Jerusalem
Basically it's the same proportion yea/nay after the debate as before; technically the Pro-Jerusalem side gained more. :/
@@Soonzuh that's not true, the people with their mind made up rarely change it. Theyre going for the undecided portion
@@jacobpitts6846 The "undecided" before the debate could be pre-disposed toward one side in the same proportion as the yea/nay.
@@Soonzuh *:)
@@Soonzuh yes
Even with UN approval (not infallible) in 1947 for the creation of the Israeli state, the premise requiring evacuation of native residents not belonging to the Israeli people sounds utterly similar to Lebensraum.
What is sad Steven is how ignorant you are. Jordan won and controlled East Jerusalem in 1948. What happened? Jews were expelled. Ancient Synagogues and Jewish cemeteries were desecrated. Funny how you never bring that up. You stinking hypocrite
it was for the better of the world though, simply comparing something to nazi doesn't make it wrong
@@ianlev6611 just like the zionists hijacked the Jewish religion
How low, how unloving it is to justify actions through claims of previous albeit equal infractions. These are not children, they are internal policy makers! I, like many, am in search of answers because I am tired of war and injustice. Who wants to live their entire life with unresolved conflicts destroying the lives of innocent people if it could be stopped?
As a Jewish Israeli raised in the UK and trying to overcome any of my biases.. This was the worst debate on this issue I have ever heard
@Bu Rida I didn't say I was religious?
I am a palestinian I can agree, both sides came in trying to call the other oppressive
@Mohith Kanna As no other country on earth has its capital immediately next to another, within the same (and not very large) city, so neither side are happy.
@Mohith Kanna That's very onsided... Firstly the 'unity' Government is split. Hamas is a terorrist organisation that want to commit genocide on the Jews regardless of the land issue. Secondly it is easy to say this is lousy as an outside observer, but imagine if an outside group of diplomats who do not represent you declare London, Berlin or Washington D.C the capital of another nation and cut it in the middle. How do you maintain sovereign integrity? Israel is 17km at the narrowest, 200km would be a luxury.
-Original commentor I mentioned has his comment removed, so to respect him I edited this out.
All people you lived in Palestine under the Ottoman Empire and the British, both Jews and Arabs were Palestinian. That name was given to Israel when the Roman's captured Jerusalem.
The Palestinians don't have any say in this but the world does ?! LOL
Fofanna Coulibaly 3:16
Then why you fuckers negotiate with the Saudis and Emirates if they are terrorists, giving them visas, or selling them weapons? As Persians, we have more reasons to hate the Arabs as a whole and not choose between different Arabs like what the West does with its ties, i.e Loving the Saudis but Hating the Palestinians
Agree everyone ignores the history that the West gave the land to the Jews after WW2. That displaced a lot of the locals, they call themselves Palestinians mostly now. What gets me is the irony in the Jews behavior, what they're doing is almost genocide which is exactly what nearly wiped them out. And it was the world that liberated them and it was very costly. I don't imagine their God or any God would approve.
The history is clear, the land was given to them. Pretty sure it was mostly French and some British at that point. That's just history unfortunately as much as you want to you can't change that. Regarding if it's genocide, it's not the exact same but the end result is pretty close, pretty much every human rights organization would contend that.
@@LucasS095 Non Jews are only placed on Earth by God to be slaves for the Jews once the Messiah comes - Copy paste gVZxyeTsI4s in YT
@@cecil123 Correct, the system of war is brought forth by Islam, the most militaristic belief system of hate ever created by man.
Natasha very conveniently ignores the fact that until the end of the first world war all of the middle east was occupied by the Ottoman empire in which the identities of local ethnicities were ill defined to the ;point of non existence Golda Meyer famously said when asked about the rights of Palestinians ''Palestinian people? what Plestinian people? there never was a Palestinian people" which is legally true but there were people living in Palestine in the late nineteenth century and who believed that because their ancestors had been living in the same village for hundreds of years that the land they lived in was theirs until the Zionistas came over from eastern europe and told them otherwise and drove them into refugee camps so they could take over and to prevent them from returning demolished hundreds of their villages
The flat earth argument shows that the speaker has a serious lack of historical knowledge. The earth has been viewed as a sphere since early antiquity.
By scientific, naval and academic elites, not by the majority of people. Education was not universal.
lack of knowledge full stop. She may indeed be a barrister but she comes across as an extremely uneducated zealot.
Anyone care to explain how this “swing 3%” is calculated? Thanks
Actually, she made a mistake. She should have said 5%.
The winner is whoever converts more of the undecided to their side. In the beginning, it was:
For: 27; Against: 46; Undecided: 27.
At the end, it was:
For: 37; Against: 61; Undecided: 2.
So For gained 10%, and Against gained 15%, a difference of 5%.
After the 1st speech , that's enough for me.
There are many countries that living in 2 states, such as Belgium
@Redfern Pitcher Whay not 3-state. cristien, jode and muslims?
@@badarsharif3627 its not about RELIGION. It's an issue about justice. Palestinians were expelled from their land and genocided. Basically their land was stolen. So they want justice.
@@Mariam-ev6fh Still unjust in this modern world
SINCE WHEN THE THE WEST IS A HONEST BROKER IN ANY DEBATE....COMING FROM THE UK OR THE US.......
1:00:40 Moderator lets him interrupt. Also, it's quite appalling that the opposition is allowed to be against Palestinian existence and even deny Palestinian existence and the proposition are attacked for saying that they exist.
true
Sort of like how most people even in the international communities are allowed to be anti-Israel and anti-Jew?? And if anyone dares to support us, they are demonized and vilified??? It's not a big deal to make fun of the genocide of 6,000,000 innocent men, women, and children but if we chant ''death to Arabs'' (Which is still horrible), then all of a sudden we're monsters? If anyone is facing a double standard it's US.
Human genocide worse than any people's in Human history????? Common Jack Straw!?
It's three against one in this debate, you've got three Zionist against one Palestinian.
Ehud the ex prime minster is empty in his argument retorik
Three descendants of the people of Israel against one Palestinian...
The whole time he was like "I introduced a TWO STATE SOLUTION!!!" He showed up with one line. Whenever he said that I was like "yea we get it, bro. Want a cookie."
24:19 "I am sad for each and everyone of them"
Ghada: Oh yeah, you really are
The first speaker marvels at the fact that there are still some flat earthers among us. She might have added there are still some people who believe a non-existent Bronze Age god promised the land to her.
No one made that argument. Why are you lying about a clip that's right in front of everyone who just read your comment?
@@andrewwells6323 Here you go Andrew ua-cam.com/video/YGN15Ibx7ok/v-deo.html
About 4:43 into the video she compares [the justified] non-recognition of Jerusalem as capital of Israel to millennial non-belief in a round earth, still ongoing today. "Flat earthers" is just another way of phrasing it.
The point is, as ever, that her entire premise is false.
Yes, of course. But will it be sufficient? There is always the next step. History shows.
Congratulations for hosting and sharing a debate on such a controversial issue. Debate is the only way to listen to each other and respond intelligently with arguments.
hear hear !
Almost all of the Other Comments are about hatred of Jews. You Manolis at least are willing to say listen to the other side., the Jewish/Israeli side as well as the Arab/Palestenian Side.
@@HoldenNY22 criticism of an insane nationalist fascist israeli government = hatred of jews? kk, good luck with that doctrine.
I want someone to debate with Miko Peled or Gideon Levy...
@@ottopotomas it's not true, and you're not criticizing anything, you're just spreading lies and misleading information against Israel for incite against it's existence. You're all uses with the excuses that "it's only criticize of the Israeli government" while the actions that you're "criticizing" the Israeli government are only actions of self-defense that were made for fight against radical Palestinian terrorism that wants the destruction of Israel
What does it mean when a speaker shouts his message and points his fingers in an aggressive way?
when you are talking lies you must shout!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Similarly.... "USA should consider me as their President". 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
#Keepthembassyinjerusalem
Dunno you at all but you couldn't do worse than Trump! ;-)
And your motto should be "Either you're with us or against us" and Accept the truce we drafted or face the consequences
It is very telling and obvious whom the Violent bullies are
The UN has no international legal authority to determine any borders as is stated in their charter. The 2nd speaker is contradicting many International Laws as well as condoning International War Crimes.
The British Mandate was the only Internationally Legal Borders that can be claimed. Of that is not true then Jordan, Syria , Iraq, Saudi Arabia and many others also would have no International Legal Borders. Again, the UN in it's doctrine, defines that it has no power to determine any borders. The UN declaration was merely a recommendation.
Veryt true, but the Jewish Agency accepted those borders and cited UNGA181 as the basis for it's legitimacy.
Lol so when iran invades Israel don't come and complain, OK?
No Israel Will definitely cry and and shout at the un to hold its ruling that only favored Israel
15:35 what i hear is 'i can't come up with a good counterargument, but let me redirect the conversation to just say what iv memorised'
How can you seriously consider someone who will have no truck with you?
For centuries there was no conflict in the land of Palestine in the 19th century Palestine what's inhabited by multicultural population approximately 86% muslim, 10% christian, and 4% jewish all living together in peace and harmony until the arrival of Zionism.
The expulsion of the majority of the Arab population of what became Israel during the state’s establishment was not an unintended consequence of war, but rather a preconceived strategy of “transfer” to ensure the creation of a Jewish majority state. The military blueprint for the ethnic cleansing of Palestine was called Plan Dalet (or Plan D) and was formally approved by the Zionist leadership on March 10, 1948.
In 1948, two months before Israel’s unilateral declaration of independence in defiance of the will of the organized international community as it then was at the UN, Zionism’s in-Palestine political and military leaders met in Tel Aviv to formally adopt PLAN DALET, the blueprint with operational military orders for the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.
They did not and never would refer to the crime they authorised as ethnic cleansing. Their euphemism for it was “transfer”.
Joseph Weitz was the director of the Jewish National Fund’s Lands Department which was responsible for acquiring the land for Zionism’s enterprise in Palestine. One of his diary entries for December 1940 reads as follows:
“There is no way besides transferring the Arabs from here to the neighbouring countries, and to transfer all of them, save perhaps for (the Arabs of) Bethlehem, Nazareth and Old Jerusalem. Not one village must be left, not one (Bedouin) tribe. And only after this transfer will the country be able to absorb millions of our brothers and the Jewish problem will cease to exist. There is no other solution.”
Plan Dalet called for:
Destruction of villages (setting fire to, blowing up, and planting mines in the debris), especially those population centers which are difficult to control continuously. Mounting search and destroy operations according to the following guidelines: encirclement of the village and conducting a search inside it. In the event of resistance, the armed force must be destroyed and the population must be expelled outside the borders of the state.
Don't use history, they hate that. History is what the Zionists make it apparently.
Two idiot people, think they know something about the conflict.
The conflict is not the result of zionism. It is a result of Haj Amin Al Hussieni, an Arab Nazi.
In Palestine Jews were massacred long time before the foundation of Israe. Stop spreading lies and Myth.
Dor Bitan, Dr. for middle eastern studies.
Dor Bitan this Haj Amin Al Hussieni was responsible for the jews not having a country of their own throughout the last 900 years? was this man responsible for jews being a minority in the area in the last 100 years?
@ken thomas Hussani is an Arab from Arbia. Hussani is a very well known family. He has no roots in Palestine to tell other people not.
Haj Amin Al Hussani was a religious man, a mufti. He wrote in his journal, this - the temple mount where al aqsa is on, is the place of the former Jewish temple of Solomon. He thought that Jews wants to destroy al-aqsa and rebuilt the third temple. Which is nonesense. He had no problem with Mizrahi Jews, beacuse they lived in Islamic countries as Dimmihis, submissive, open to be massacred at any time - and he did create the Farhud in Iraq - murdered hundreds of Jews and expelled 50,000. If you follow his trip, he spread the Nazi Ideology (he worked with the Nazis, met with hitler). He murdered Jews in Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, Jerusalem, sfad.
He also slaughtered the Jews community in Herbon, that existed thousands of years before the Arab conquest of the middle east. He butchered them in 1929. No 'occupation' back then, because this is not about that. This is a conflict about religion. Haj Amin did not care if turky or egypt will take the land.
And this is not true. For example in the 1850's there was twice as many Jews in Jerusalem than Arabs. There was an Arab immigration just as there was a Jewish immigration. The thing is, Jews came back to thier homeland. Arabs came to a foreign land.
@@ziospoletta7482 Jerusalem had twice Jews than Arabs, 1850. Did the 'Palestinians' had a country? There was never, ever a state called Palestine, and Jerusalem was not the capital of any Arab/Islamic country for one day. Palestinians are Arabs from Arabia and Egypt. Palestine is the Jewish homeland. The 20th century was a century were tens of millions of people immigrated for one place to the other. Haj Amin, was a Nazi, who met with hitler - and he thought (he says in his journal) that the jews wants to rebuilt Solomon temple and destroy al aqsa. He murdered thousands of Jews. He spread the myth that Jews wants to destroy al aqsa, and they are an enemy of Islam.
He did not want a Palestinian state, but a one greater syria, because the Arabs in Palestine considered themselves as Syrians and Egyptians, which they are/
Palestine as a state with borders did not exist before 1948, more specifically before the end of world war 1 as all of Arabia was part of the Ottoman Empire, so much of the present day Middle East countries “didn’t exist” either. But as a Palestinian I can tell you that each and every person who lived within modern day Palestine before 1948 identified as Palestinians. It is a CULTURAL identity and is distinct from that of other Arabs. Conflation of Palestinian Arabs with the rest of the Arabs is a poor tactic used by Israelis to delegitimize Palestinian identity!
Faceless I am not an avid supporter of any modern day arab leaders, including those of the PA. That being said if there was war between Palestinians and Israeli (technically just a massacre since the Palestinians don’t even have an army) I believe they would verbally oppose Israel but not actually take an action since they are all either too weak or under the thumb of the west
Yeah, most being descendants of ancient populations of Canaanite cities like Hebron, Jerico, Bethlehem, Nasareth, Jerusalem, Nablus, etc.
I serial must take it no peace deal this is biblical
Why are wemol debating this men should say no negotiating
You've been raised on lies.
@Intelligance Squared, do justice and respect to the speakers and state their names in the description!
This debate is a deflection from the reality of the illegal occupation of Israel. Who cares what the capital is if the people are being subjected to some of the worst humanitarian injustices that have ever existed. The illegal state of Israel is the real problem not the Jewish people who have lived along with their Muslim and Christian brothers for centuries without conflict. Even Orthodox Jews don’t support the illegal state that was created.
Religion poisons everything, including this issue.
The ideology islam is an ideology alike Nazism. Gaza should be under Egyptian Military Rule, because Gaza is an Egyptian town, and it should have been returned to the Egyptian Government at the time of the return of The Sinaï; a mayor flaw in the Camp-David Peace Agreement. Jerusalem is the Capital City of Israel. The Arabs in Jerusalem and Israel need to accept The Laws of Israel, or leave for an Arab country. That is how it will be.
Awwwq. We gave back so much land and you’re still animals. Gaza. Since you got it back, it’s broken, you’ve killed Christians, etc. guess who owns the Golden Heights?😂😂🇮🇱🇮🇱
judaism poisons everything
61% against the motion. What does that tell Trump?
That this was a Dem/ leftist propaganda debate.
@@speaktruth9313 Trump lost :)
@@speaktruth9313 the literal former Prime Minister of Israel being there wasn't enough for you? Jeez, if this comes across as leftist propaganda, maybe the side you're on doesn't have much of a leg to stand on
Umm, maybe that this audience isnt at all representative of the wider population?
It is so clear which opening argument was the best here, as one was purely logical, and calm. Whereas the other was emotional and full of accusations towards the opening debater.
A very good observation!
Exactly
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Flag of Palestine included in the Larousse French Dictionary circa 1939, is blue and white with a Magen David - Jewish star in the middle. Indeed, in pre 1948 (Israel's declaration of Independence) Palestine, Jews were known as Palestinians. Arabs wanted to be considered as Arabs with connections to Muslim countries in the neighborhood.
Palestinians are Arabs. Never seen anyone saying otherwise. Just like Egyptians are Arabs. Does it mean they are not a coherent people ?
Besides, even if the existence of an actual, coherent Palestinian people in 1917 was debatable (just like the idea of the Jews being a people, more than a religion), today it's not anymore. Over more than a hundred years, the current conflict has created two extremely strong identities - Israelis and Palestinians - the existence of which cannot be denied today, regardless of their respectives existence before 1948.
19 years ago Fatah sent diggers in to destroy Jewish relics on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem to some how "prove" it was Islamic. Yet whole mosaic floors from Temple times have been pieced together from the damage, while little or nothing from the Arab world has EVER been found there.
Ghada's analogy wuth buckingham palce doesnt exactly work, because she, as a palestinian has no indigenous connection to england or its royal palaces. This is confirmed by archealogy and history. The jewish people on the other hand, DO have an indigenous connection and claim to the land of israel and its capital jerusalem, and this is confirmed wihout a doubt by archealogy and history, and it was never in any doubt until modern political manipulations in favour of the imagined right of an invented demographic called palestinians, who are actually arabs just like the arabs in jordan and the many other arab countries throughout the middle east and north africa.
You all simply lost your times to debate about Israel,be kept quiet and waited for the last minute about Israel will never handed to any other nation.
Why was the schoolgirl invited?
i like she starts with deebunking myths by a myth. even ancient greeks knew the earth isn't flat.
proving something by math is not a guess. google Eratosthenes
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_flat_Earth
history is never 100% accurate, but it looks like historians agree with me
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Islamic references are quite clear that there are 7 flat earths each above the other riding on the back of a whale swimming on a cosmic sea.
Then 7 heavens layered above the earth.
And to top that all off the Sun revolves around the earth.
If you were an Islamic scholar you would know this. If you were a sincere Muslim you would believe it.
it also says the sun goes to a muddy pond every day thats why it is dark at night. muhammad was mentally disadled, pedo warlord. like caligula.
She didn't mean "most people", she meant educated people. She was drawing from a common misconception, begun by 19th century textbooks promulgating the incorrect idea that Columbus proved the earth was round contra the bishops of Salamanca. There is no evidence for what "most people" believed on this point through the ages one way or the other - only for what the educated people believed. In the West, the Ptolemaic cosmos - which remained predominant throughout the Middle Ages - has always been portrayed as round. It was simply a bad example she chose, and didn't help her start or close.
Jerusalem is the capital of Israel, then, now and the future. It is not up for discussion. It is in the Torah. It is the truth. The truth will always prevails.
How can anyone say Palestine existed as a country before Israel was created? Thats a fiction. Who was their president or king? What the capital? It didnt exist. It was geographical region within the ottoman empire and became part of the british mandate when that empire crumbled.
birds( thieves) of the same feather flock together.
Jack straw really sounded like he was for the motion
He was an imposter.
I also think that. He is like an imposter.
he is afraid of being accused of antisemitism
No, what he’s saying is that Jerusalem should be recognized as the capital as Israel after an arrangement is reached about the final borders of the states of Israel and Palestine. Doing so now would make it so that the Palestinians wouldn’t have enough bargaining “cards” in his words during the diplomacy talks. The motion is about whether the world should recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital now. For those wanting a two state solution, moving embassies to Jerusalem would weaken the Palestinian’s bargaining power. The former prime minister of Israel was for a two state solution, but advocating for the world to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel now would make his proposal harder to achieve. Also, the settlements in the land that is meant to become the state of Palestine make a two state solution harder to achieve. Currently, there are huge tax incentives to join settlements, encouraging Israelis to move to those areas. If a two state solution were to occur now, the Palestinian areas wouldn’t be well connected/ continuous. Chucks of Palestine would be here and there. That simply isn’t a viable state.
Jack Straw is right to criticize the settlements (which the former PM of Israel barely if ever mentioned), and his ideas are perfectly in line with a two state solution. In my view, the reality on the ground makes a two state solution impossible, so it’s better to just have Israel become a state for all its citizens (including the Palestinians), while also allowing Jews from the rest of the world as well as descendants of the refugees from the land that is Israel come back to their original grounds.
@@faridshahid1833 I don´t understand your view honestly...you say it is not realistic to have Jerusalem separated into east and west, in what seems the fairest solution to me, and both recognize each own part their capital if they wish, because there are settlers of one part in the other...a problem that is almost meaningless given the real problem that exists...but it is realistic in your mind that the palestinian citizens will live under a wholely Isreali state of Jerusalem....what makes you think that that could ever be a real solution? Having seen what we have seen, all the attacks and the obvious reality of two sides that can not coexist in the same territory peacefully?
The only reason Jerusalem is a thing is because of Christianity and Islam. Had none of the aforementioned religions come into existence the Jewish people would have had the same chance as the Cherokees when attempting to claim the state of Kentucky as their historical homeland. One can also argue that for three thousand years the Greeks occupied the western coast of modern-day Turkey which include the cities of Istanbul and Ismir, both founded by Geeks. All was lost to Islamic forces from the east a mere 400 years ago and the final expulsion of the Greeks from the region only a hundred years ago. Fat chance the Greeks have got in getting back their historical lands. What then gives the Jewish people such a strong sense of entitlement after an absence of two thousand years?
Well that was interesting
Read Balfour declaration
Karmi was absolutely insufferable in this debate
Me thinks you have some strong racism towards Palestinians?
The second speakers family home in Jerusalem. Can she tell us a little bit about where her family came from ? Her ancestors weren't born in Jerusalem...for Pete's sake tell the truth lady.
the first woman's argument was horrible
Wow, the former prime minister really repeats the same damn thing a lot.
Because it's the truth!!!
It really is a disgraceful deception...which requires shouting, mocking and all sorts of propaganda tools...if there is a dispute over a territory, to which both sides call for their part, and massive killings are happening which require a solution steadily, it is disgraceful and authoritarian to offer that the territory is yours but the sorroundings are for the opposition, while you decorate it and dress it finely saying that they are denying your "peaceful" and "fair" treaty...
@@Omar-bustos1997 Agreed
Natasha made the most sense, objectively. She was logical and compelling. Mdm Karmi was really airy fairy. She should not be an academic at all.
Natasha was delusioinal on all counts. The fist time the Uti Possidetis argument was every proposed was by crack pott Eugenre Kontorocih in a paper her co authored in 2016. At no point since 1948 as the Israeli government or Israeli Supreme Court ever cited Uti Possidetis as the basis for it's land claim. If Uti Possidetis was a thing, Israel could and woudl have cited it to refute the Artmisitce of 1949, UNSC242 and the ICJ ruling of 2004.
Exactly
Don't project your airy fairyiness unto others
That girl is so deeply weak.
Acquired in defensive wars???
Yes
Nice way of saying ethnic cleansing.
Already listened to it on Spotify before, the argument against clearly won.
Really? I feel otherwise. Miss Khami lost me when she said there was 'no one on the Palestinian side talking about a jew-free state'. She might want to ask Hamas about that. I cite the deputy speaker of the Hamas parliament :
"If the enemy sets foot on a single square inch of Islamic land, Jihad becomes an individual duty, incumbent on every Muslim, male or female. A woman may set out [on Jihad] without her husband's permission, and a servant without his master's permission. Why? In order to annihilate those Jews. ... O Allah, destroy the Jews and their supporters. O Allah, destroy the Americans and their supporters. O Allah, count them one by one, and kill them all, without leaving a single one."
While the UN decisions are not implementated satisfactory I will not support that my country recognises Jerusalem has capital of Israel.
@@yojasmagic Exactly - It's Islamic religious doctrine to hate Jews. That value is not shared by the rest of the world. Why should we in the West even play with the idea of people who follow an religious ideology of hate? Islam also glamorizes martyrdom. So when you've got "Palestinians" "protesting" by running over fences they are supposed to stay behind, knowing they will be shot at, they are convinced that dying helps them go to heaven AND the living Muslims are fueled with more hate with the deaths of their comrades. Muslim leaders then politicize the deaths of the "martyrs" to their people, further fueling multi-generational hate, reinforced by Islamic religious doctrine to hate Jews.
@@servercookie6470 Yes, and Jews are also racist when it comes to who is Jewish. It doesn't just accept anyone. Look, both are bad from our perspective - either Islamism, or Jewishness. What are our national security goals and who do we support more than the other? That's ultimately more important.
@J P Then you are against American foreign policy and support Islamic terror from Hamas. Good job supporting Islamism and working against American values and interests.
Ok, i was really trying to not do this, but by the second time Natasha had the microphone i really had to write this off my soul:
JEEESSUUSS CHRIST IS THAT AN UNCOMFORTABLE PERSON!
She is so obnoxious and arrogant and disrespectful.
She's a perfect sample of the people she represents
@@advredenbregt4340 Please don´t make the mistake to generalize that Israeli´s are like that, I think they aren´t.
It was pitiful to see that in such a disgraceful situation where innnocent lives are taken every year and people are living in disgraceful conditions and terror, from both sides, her primary objective or goal here is not to find the most peaceful solution she can find, but rather try to impose her view...it is very sad that someone with that responsability and that is supposedly living that situation doesnt have the wisdom and maturity to look beyond...
62 Killed. If the old lady is lying about this, what else is she lying about?
1:22 someone is sneak peeking. Hilarious :)
Oh man ! I First 10 min ...feeling vomiting ! Hope not feeling vomiting is also Antisemitic !!
Oh how nice you use numbers to identify yourself because you're chicken-sh*t. The world is so jealous of us, especially Ashkenazi Jews, who have been proven scientifically to be the smartest people in the world. This isn't WWII - we have the Iron Dome, the smartest, best army in the world - just try messing with us, you poor jealous fool. I know - when America gives back the US to the Native Americans, when the Native Americans give the land to the Europeans who were here before the Native Americans, when Britain gives Canada and Australia autonomy, when Muslims stop terrorizing the rest of the world, when they stop having slaves and cutting off women's clitorises, when they stop blowing up buses and trains, Bar Mitzvahs and pizza parlors, maybe we can talk. I
@@celinasinger1 YAWN!
Charlotte Austen God’s chosen atheists
The Jebusites were, according to the books of Joshua and Samuel from the Hebrew Bible, a Canaanite tribe that inhabited Jerusalem prior to the conquest initiated by Joshua and completed by King David. The Books of Kings as well as 1 Chronicles state that Jerusalem was known as Jebus prior to this event. The identification of Jebus with Jerusalem is sometimes disputed by scholars. According to some biblical chronologies, the city was conquered by King David in 1003 BCE.
So the Jews were not the first inhabitants of the land.
Nobody cares about 3000 years ago, people are dying today, children who don´t care about Joshua or Samuel are being killed, their mothers are being killed, their homes destroyed, people are living under disgraceful conditions, please look a little bit beyond that, I think you have the intelligence for it
@@Omar-bustos1997 bravo bravo
YEP look back at this thing now and see
Jews from the time of Moses were different tribes, some became pagans while Moses was teaching monotheism, because of the curse of Allah they were hated and banished from the land Moses was leading them to, even Moses didn't make it to Israel, passed away on journey and whereabouts of his grave unknown up to this day, they also have a hand in the death of Jesus Christ, they forget about the past but not the holocaust it's like a daily reminder to them, any one say any thing about Jews they are branded anti-Semitic, Gods curse shouldn't be taken lightly and Jerusalem should always stay in Palestinian people, all of it, only Zionist America recognized Jerusalem and they are happy with Israel to take it, but all the rest of world disagree with America and Israel, maybe the Jews should go back to the land of the pharoese which is Egypt that where they belong originally....
Why do all the speakers from Israel sound so arrogant.
"I exist!" Was the best response to this arrogance.
Is because they have a solid argument....
Its because they’re argument makes no sense. Sound loud so you sound right 😂
I don’t know who thinks that by having more land you will have more peace. If that will be true does that makes Rusia the more peaceful place on earth? People should look for peace within itself. Not based on land.
will if you expel by force from your country and some foreign group found their country on its ashes i dear you say the same while you displaced in some refuge camp
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When it comes to the jewish people, the land it's very special. Something they are attached to. And you gotta respect that. Or at least.. don't try to act superior.
@@davidsamuel9110 No, that is blatantly a superior ideology. Why doesn't Israel try to _BUY_ Palestine after they declare peace? Why doesn't Israel try to win the people of Jerusalem over with gifts and prosperous trade?
If the Palestinian gov is so bad, then winning over it's people should be a cake walk. Peace is superior to illegal occupation.
That's a dumb argument. Israel is one of the smallest countries on Earth. Russia is the largest. Israel, like Russia, has too much land? Israel is a nation-state, the very first nation-state in history. As John Selden, English philosopher noted, the Jews invented the concept of the nation-state. By contrast, Russia is an empire, occupying swathes of non-Russian land. The land we're talking about with regards to Israel is the core of the Jewish civilization. Excepting Egypt, Israel is the only Middle Eastern country that's not a product of European imperialism. Why does the only real and legitimate country need to get smaller? Especially because a made up people (the Palestinians) will use that abandoned land as a terrorist base, same as they use Gaza as a terrorist base. Russia was able to survive invasions of its territory by Charles XII, Napoleon, and Hitler because of its strategic depth on account of its excess land. Israel will be under threat by an unquestionably hostile Arab state carved out of Judea and Samaria.
Wow what an excellant question to Jack straw .
He cleaned the floor with her
What’s Jack straw doing? It was 2v1 all along. Poor guests invited.
More like a 1v1. The two ladies were, with all due respect, really an annoyance. The audience should've not aim their questions at them. They were easy targets and made the debate a bit uninteresting.
@@mohamedayoubneggaz1581 I agree 100% with you, their primary issue was an ideological, past based agenda, and peaceful solution was secondary. Meanwhile the heart of the debate was wheather the two-state solution is one of: West and east separeted for respective nations, or in the other side, Jerusalem belongs to Israel and the sorrounding are to Palestine. I would have liked more debate on this, as my present thoughts on this is that the latter will never be accepted by both Palestine government and even less by the citizens therefore I don´t see it as a realistic solution. From the other side I don´t know how realistic an east-west separation of Jerusalem is, but it seems much fairer and realistic that both sides will accept this proposition.
JACK STRAW ..THE MAN WITH NO CREDIBILITY LEFT,HE LIED,ALL THE DURATION OF HIS CAREER ,HE IS INVITED BY THE BBC..ON INTELLIGENCE 2??ON MUST BE MORE ,COUGHTOUSE ,WHEN INTELLIGENCE 2/BRINGS ABOUT,SUCH 'UNINTELLIGENT'..TOTALLY BIAS EVENTS...
My humble submission to this issue is based on truth, if we my face reality and bring permanent solution though painful not evading facts is that Jerusalem is a the capital of Israel as a nation. First as the name implies, which people / who built & gave the name Jerusalem and when.? If one is conquered and sent out of from thier land but later come back to the land of thier nativity then recapture back again thier territory, what & where will it clarify it. Is it United Nation by resolution that gave Germans .,or American ie USA thier capital city.
This did not age well
These "debates" are truly bad