The U.S. Should Step Back From Its Relationship With Israel
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- Опубліковано 20 лип 2011
- Israel believes America's special relationship is vital. It is, certainly, to Israel. But what about for the US? Israel has no oil, enemies in many places, and a tendency to defy Washington when it perceives its own interests to be threatened, which is not infrequently. In a zero sum Middle East, does America's coziness with Israel cost us in good will with Muslim world, including those oil-rich Arab states whose dollar holdings come back to the US in the form of investments and loans, which the US economy needs -- especially now? But there's an important connection between the US and Israel -- that goes deeper than finance or energy convenience. It's a foundation of mutual loyalty and shared values -- democracy being only the most obvious. There has also been a history of shared intelligence, military cooperation, and significant cross-fertilization of scientific knowledge. To sacrifice these connections to improve relations with the Arab world would be an act of betrayal - of an ally - and of what we say we stand for. Should the US consider putting some distance between itself and Israel? Would such a change in policy serve American interests, or is it a move we would come to regret?
For: Roger Cohen
For: Rashid Khalidi
Against: Stuart Eizenstat
Against: Itamar Rabinovich
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You can not be a democracy while holding another culture as hostage.
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You are absolutely right.
We stand with Israel not with the lazy Palestin sitting and wait international aid😂😂😂😂😂
Based on the amount of US Tax Dollars we Give to Israel, knowing how that same money should be used here... It is with-Out any Doubt this nation must cut off these funds.
I am also of the staunch belief that No sitting member of the US House, and Senate should hold a dual citizenship with Israel, or any other nation. The conflict of interest is obvious...
Why single it out? The US gives aid to numerous allies. Btw, this isnt cash, its subsidy to buy American arms.
I totally agree with absolutely no member of Congress or senator or any political office holder should have dual citizenship with any Nation. However I feel the American tax dollars is spent better on Israel then most third world Nations that we give our money to even South America. As a matter of fact our government is so corrupt from top to bottom and in bed with corporate media and the one percenters that they do a better job of working against the American citizen instead of for the American citizen. The Democrats AKA leftist Marxist authoritarians are much more bigger problem then even the corruption. I would say Israel on our list things to fund or not to fund would be at the bottom and Far Far From The Top. Without our so-called special relationship Israel it would be wiped off the face of the Earth within a week. And that would cause a world crisis. Is that part of the world they are governed more with religion then reason. Israel being the exception
@Tom-le3yy , Israel has every right to exist where they came from.
The US is wrong in defending a Apartheid state, if it continues to do so, it will most likely face extinction and it won't be able to save Israel from it!
@@Tom-le3yybecause they get more American tax dollars than any other country on earth and they are clearly obvious racists
@@denisnjaila2182 I don't think Israel is a good allie.
When I am out traveling in the area in which I live, there are hundreds of homeless people. There are beggars on the street corner. Our taxes are out of this world--very expensive to live. Why? i.e., over half of ones salary goes to taxes. This is wrong and hurtful that this country do not help it's own people.
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Yes Agree US must first Helping the homeless Peopel who live In US Teritory And Aranged Her broblem In America. Afther they
Can helping ather Country..but now there is Allot of Homles no job no money
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Japan is Better Saudia Startet Bower Energy Allot of country is more better USA. Now
And it doesn’t matter what Color you are because most of them everywhere are white men veterans.
I noticed this because I stop & help them where ever I see them & they hate that they had volunteered to fight in that malicious Vietnam war.
I have witnessed this in Chicago, San Jose, San Francisco, LA & Yes in the redwood BIG Basin mountains - who told me why they kept their military weapon.
And for some reason, the controllers have been setting the Redwoods on fire, so they could see what was going on underneath the trees.
But what really got my attention, is that Maui was destroyed by a mysterious fire - that has left thousands of families Homeless and the GOVERNMENT is doing absolutely nothing to help the survivors.
When Biden decided to visit that disaster - he had to wait until his Vacation was over. When He got there, He thought he was on the Big island - even though his advisers knew better.
My Point:
Why is He financing world wars with our taxed money instead of taking care of the AMERICANS in this country ⁉️
He even left all weapons of mass destruction in Afghanistan, to guess who⁉️
While citizens were being killed for trying to leave.
None of this is hidden in the archives & for those who are paying attention to MAUI Right now, the Government is kicking the homeless families who were giving those families a room in the hotels.
They are more concerned with getting more tourists for taxes then they are for the citizens of their own counter.
Leaders Are Only Interested in Killing people all around this World - WHY⁉️⁉️⁉️
There is help for all of them. But they have to except it. It is there choice we're the are between drugs and street corners. No this is a good exsample of bad information.
They stood on what there country told them. They were there to protect our freedom at any cost even there lives. Just as our military now.
If they are sending money to foreign countries, why can’t they help the veterans and the homeless. I don’t understand why they can’t.
They can, they choose not to because we act like little children who will take no as the answer. Shameful.
The question @ 1:11 "What have the Palestinians done in the last 40yrs"? Should have been answered by simply saying..."give them 6 billion dollars a year and we will find out"! What and how can be accomplished under an oppressive occupation, wherein you have no control over your borders and resources?
Hamás es solo una excusa de israel para desocupar Gaza de Palestinos, es el primer paso a tomar para el inicio del nuevo canal Ben Gurion , cuyas ganancias de más de 10 mil millones de euros anual nunca compartirían con los Palestinos 🤷♀️
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12 years ago and the people who voted for the motion for the US to step back were absolutely RIGHT today in 2023!!! Amazing@
We stole their land and now they don’t want to make a deal. Something is wrong with them
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The Ones who stole the land are to blame
United States should stay neutral as a peacemaker to whole world instead of siding with any country in conflict. Let’s protecting the world and we will be in peace as a human being with love and humanity
United States cannot be neutral as a peace maker. UN and UN security Council should. But UN had UN Security Council had failed. US had to play her role as peace maker no doubt about that. Never mind what the reaction of the world. After all, which country is willing to do so if not US? God bless US.
US can never b neutralizing the world
It gave drugs porn magazines now weapon selling business
UK slaved colonized half of the world ROBBED every country and became rich
America sells weapons makes two countries go for war and make money
Why Israel didn’t go for a talk with Hamas and released its hostages instead they went for war because US supporting to sell weapons
2 state solution is the permanent solution for this
North Palestinians
south Israel
Jerusalem should b a pilgrimage city for all religions
You mean other countries should not be neutral cos they aren't peacemakers? Why are they not peacemakers and why must it be the US protecting the world? I tell ya, to some people, whatever the US does they will still not like the US nor like to live at peace with them.
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It can't it's his preffered sport"War"
Actually, as strange as it might seem, it was Rabin who created the Settlements which of course was continued by every Israeli administration since then, a policy which only denies the Palestinians who lived there the continuation of their livelihood.
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Super wise decision! It's time the voices of reason be heard.
Today marks exactly two weeks since the Hamas attacks on Israel, and I'm seeing this for the first time. This debate was highly intelligent, informative and insightful. Before the results were in, I knew the proposition would win. They made the case succinctly. More of the same is utter madness. If the present war is not proof, I don't know what is.
Amen. Even the tactics of falsely trying so hard to arresting opposing sides of Biden/Obama administration.
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12 years later, in 2023, we still hear Roger and Rashid´s words. It is inspiring for those who believe in justice and peace for all humans.
I would have to agree.
In addition, I would have to mention that Israel is already a Nuclear Nation, yet themselves will not sign the Non-Proliferation Treaty...
This also stretches the credulity of 'moral foreign policy', specifically in regards to our support for Israel.
I just wrote you some real truth about this and it's very serious and it keeps getting deleted before I can send it to you
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“Leahy law” refers to two statutory provisions prohibiting the U.S. Government from using funds for assistance to units of foreign security forces where there is credible information implicating that unit in the commission of gross violations of human rights , such as those committed by Israel inside their open air concentration camp , with over two million people , in the Gaza Strip of the Middle East.
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US is not fair or equitable. It's people don't have Healthcare education half their wages are taxed.
Custom duties were eliminated. Economic assistance has not ceased and as of 2020, 3.8 billion dollars per year are allocated. In other words, the ambassador lied.
Thank you, UA-cam, for bringing this video back to our attention. One panelist said that Israel and the U.S. have the same values. What accords with our official values is a single state with equal rights for all, regardless of race, religion or ethnicity, a state we Americans would be free to talk about and criticize. A fascistic genocidal apartheid race-based theocracy that we are not allowed to criticize seems like the very antithesis of U.S. values, to me, unless the panelist is alluding to the worst values we have ever practiced. But if that is the case, does it make sense to idolize this dark side of ourselves and make war in its behalf?
Israel was given to us and the world by the British Empire, another Sacred Cow we are not allowed to criticize. This is the Empire that pioneered apartheid -- in South Africa and Rhodesia. This Empire invented the concentration camp -- in its war against the Boers. It used opium to destroy much of China. It invented "Total War" -- war against civilians. As part of its divide and conquer strategy, it created the Muslim Brotherhood -- of which Hamas is an offshoot. Our founders fought to free us from the clutches of this empire, but today, we are not allowed to criticize it, even in our thoughts -- because we are not allowed to see that we have become the successor to this very empire.
Outstanding comment.
You are a Hamas terrorist in the Gaza lol😂😂😂😂
One of the many reasons there is no Martin Lutherking in Palestine is because many of them are in Israeli prisons. Israel and the USA have conspired to keep the peace process out of any discussions because Israel's goal is to have one state THEY control. They are doomed to live in fear!!
What a SHAME on the U.S.A.!!!!!!
WHO WANTS A WAR ? ESP TODAY , all the Wars ended wt no sole winner neither loser, but status quo ? But here in Palestine, it’s an Internal War, wt Israel trying to inhilate the Palestinians ?? Wt that, as it has been for 75 yrs, there will be NO END TO IT , unless THE US WT UNSC, agree to disagree, to BRING ISRAEL AND PAKESTIN TO A NEGOTIATING TABLE FOR A SETTLEMENT AND PEACE,CHARTERED by the UNSC !
Of this there can be no doubt. We live in times quite different in many ways, technologically, internationally, economically, etc. than just a decade, perhaps5 years ago. Those who think they can forever commit violence against oppressed peoples with impunity anywhere should, in their own interests, think again!
Why US media never shows us Osama Bin Ladin tapes,???A=Because they dont want people to know the truth
England and its allies took away the homeland of the Palestinians and gave it to a religious group of people nobody wanted. How criminal an act that was and how many people have died because of their duplicity.
Nobody wants the people who call themselves Palestinians either. They come from many different homelands and are essentially squatters on the land formerly known as Judea. The Jews have a much longer historical claim on Judea that dates back to BC.
The reason, l know why America keep(Special) such relationship with Israel is because without such relationship, all Arab nations will wipe Israel from the world map. But we Christians especially those from( Igbos) Eastern part of Nigeria have a lot respect and relationship with Israel, so we can not allow Israel not to exist. There existence go a long way with our existence. Israel must be, without Israel our Bible study or usage is useless.
Yes this happened
God gave thatland to Israel. Remember Jesus was in Jeruselam. And he was crucified there. That land was given to Israel by God
Read the Bible
I totally agree with that idea ! Must whole world must support that idea !
Israel's priority is it's own security so let them get on with it with no help from the USA, Europe or anybody else who has been fooled.
"Loyalty to the nation all the time, loyalty to the government when it deserves it." Mark Twain
A speech of Jewish haters
@@JosefhaDahan-ur8orI guess our opinions are anti Jewish?? Really y’all have used that word so much the effects goes on death ear. That word Antisemite has zero effect. Tired of hearing it and others are too. 😏
The columbia he is a lot sense he can see whole picture of the situation. One of the best politician. This Israel always after the jihad.
The free world stand with Ỉsrael not only USA and the West...your people dream to take Israel of the map will not happen 😂😂😂😂😂
Question to the scholars.. What would happen if the US sent troops and stationed them on the 67 border and enforced a border and stopped settlements? The reason Israel doesn't want US troops on the ground there is because they do not want them to see the truth that anyone has ever visited the West bank has saw in my opinion. In other words what if the US flipped its support over to Palestine in a special relationship and forced the borders?
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"The trouble is not in dying for a friend, but in finding a friend worth dying for." Mark Twain
The troops are to busy patrolling between the two Koreas.
That will never happen because America is just as wicked.
American forces can no longer do it their forces is so much Stretch they have all fronts being guarded china in south russia in europe north korea and among others sadly they have more enemies
All lives are valuable! No one should ever stay quiet seeing innocent people killed on either sides..It is important to find the right communication solution 💙
Well done everyone. Peace.
Very good lecture. Thank you
We need to step back from everyone, not just Israel. Israel needs to take care of itself and not ask or want for us to get involved
AIPAC and Isrsel Tunstall the US in Washingtom. 22 states have passed an OATH of allegience to Israel..if youvdontvsign it ypubdont get a job with that state. Where is the outrage??? Some judges have canceled it as unconstitutional. Had to berthed. CHRISTIAN TALIBAN run, RED 29:16 STATES!
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@@CLM2204 I didn't know that. I didn't block them.
Other allies don't act like Israel does. Therefore, the comparison is wrong.
exactly so, and the only reason is that Israel gov are spoil brats. With poor daddy, the USA.
We presumed that the best thing US would do and could possibly do is to stand firm
and cause a two-state solution: one for the Israeli Jews and one for the Palestinian Arabs for these people to live side by side in peace and in harmony with the nature, thereafter let both sides develop their own economic, social and political advancement, and then stay away from them to face its own internal affairs for the good of its citizens! 😮😮😮
If i am the only one who has the gun, i have the tendency to use it to dominate anyone. If everyone has the gun, i will be thinking twice to use it other than for defence.
Unfortunately that’s how it works.
This just shows you how weak politicians are in a real debate.
Hats-off to Bloomberg to arrange such a nice debate❤
Great job and being a veteran I have to agree we must calm this genocidal action which will become a third world war.
It's hypocritical for the USA vs England to be forgotten which is how Independence was won. Palastinians deserve their own country and independence from ISRAEL'S POLICY and Genocide needs to stop 🛑
Congratulations on your victory, Roger and Rashid even if it wasn't an overwhelming one. You still changed enough minds in that auditorium!
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I can't believe it was even remotely close, the against team got annihilated! All of their arguments were either lies or unsupported accusations, but unfortunately many people who have not studied this topic will be convinced by the falsehoods.
Luckily a majority of the audience did not fall for it!
The oppressor never sees or want to believe he is an oppresser😢
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I hear Rashid gives an ultimatum to the audience in his conclusive speech, saying, "if you don't wote, 'yes'", he refers to the public, the aggression from Palestine will never stop." He is threatening the public to accept his bid.
Why Israel control the most basic things, like water and power?
Because they are Hitlers
i feel the more we help and or support Israel, the worse this situation will become. Israel has no boundaries nor wants any, and basically wants it all. The current bombardment of the Gaza strip is merely beachfront property for Israel in 10 yrs. They have little if any desire for peace, and continually prove this with their settlements. If Israel truly wanted peace, they would respect the boundaries established in their last military involvement. This current war is nothing more than another land grab
When I hear the term "special relationship" it makes me think of lovers or some kind of romantic involvement; a relationship based on honesty, mutual respect and mutual commitment to the welfare of the other. This is decidedly not the relationship The US has with Israel. Ours is a parental relationship and not one of the good ones where we guide and counsel a child, but rather one where the child is willful and disobedient and the parent does nothing, choosing instead to make excuses for the wayward child. There are those who hate Jews simply on the basis of their Jewiosity. I reject this philosophy, but I am also opposed to wayward children. Israel often cites the fact that it is a small country surrounded by larger unfriendly Arab countries, as though it thinks we have forgotten this fact. I would submit that it is in, fact, Israel that ignores this fact. It continually acts as if it were not and does so on the assumption that they can say whatever they want to the other kids, be as mean and disrespectful as they want, because Dad is standing right behind them. Our relationship with Israel encourages them to be bullies and discriminatory instead of recognizing the need and importance of accommodation and inclusion. Let us, by all means, cut the umbilical cord and push our fledgling from the nest. If it is to survive, if it is worthy of survival, it must demonstrate that on its own. I do not advocate being mean to Israel, but simply to stop feeling responsible for it. Israel should have more pride and come out from behind the skirt of the US and try to make it on its own.
@Goku Wow, if this isn't anti-Semitism I don't know what is. "They" need to be kicked out? But Syria, who has killed 500,000 of their own, and created a refugee population of over 5 million and growing gets to "stay"? Same with the dictatorial and despotic caliphates, emirates, military rulers, and sheikdoms that represent practically all of the Arab states;they get to "stay"? "They" need to learn to respect their neighbors? You mean the ones who have sworn their destruction, and have followed through on those depredations.
"No Resources"? You mean no natural resources? Israel's intellectual resources and other non-natural resources are the backbone of its economy, and is far more sustainable than those that rely solely on natural resources.
Proudkarma, well said thank you.
Proudkarma.. we totally agree with you. The Israelists behave like gangsters and get away with their actions.
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Yes!
Eizenstat rambles on about how those countries around Israel have nothing in common with Israel and it's the special relationship with the US that makes the difference .
On point 1 Those countries around Israel have cultures thousand's of years old, and in the case of Iran called the cradle of civilization , these countries are the grand old men while Israel is a spoilt child with rich physcopathic parents .
On point 2 The special relationship with the US goes back to the slave trading day's when it was Jewish slave boats that brought the first and by no means the last of the African slaves to America every single ship but one was Jewish owned and operated . Right up to today where every single politician in Washington seeking re-election needs to fly to Israel as some kind of right of passage ! to say, without endorsing Israel is political suicide is not a "special relationship" Israel is the puppet master and while the string's are still attached to it's US politicians there will be more proxy wars more deaths more misery.
Proposition status to US to step back from Israel on special relationship. As a US citizen US will benefit by stepping away from Israel.
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300,000 displaced Palestinians live in the USA.
Another 500,000 displaced Palestinians were sent to Europe and Middle Eastern countries. As with all things, people of the Israeli identity create huge problems among humans, and their discarded victims are other's responsibility to tend to. Yet they still demand our sympathies for how their ancestors were treated? Disgrace!
If a Jew can't beg for a dollar or a weapon they won't be Jews
@@user-no8kc6tk1m Israel was founded over 70 years ago all of those people have been living there way before 70 years..
I was worried near the end about voting but I am over the moon that Americans are on the right side of the history. God bless you all.
Well, after biden's action and speech...every hope goes down the toilet.
Many Americans don't know truth to history. The British wrote the books and white washed it.
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Even 12 years ago, the NY Times was totally off the mark.
The formula is simple. If US is to regain its popularity, prosperity and flourishing economy, always stand for justice, equity and truth. Failing which it will be impossible. God will never continue to support injustice.
As a Christian who used to believe strongly the theology of Lewis Sperry Chafer ie Dallas Theological Seminary who is reexamining this doctrine. I was taught to pray for Israel which I did regularly as well as participate in Christian activities in an assembly under a the teaching of a dedicated pastor/teacher. I did this yet still I found my country becoming worse & worse. I did not know that when I did pray for them that what Israel or what they were doing with Palestine or what hand they had in our government & media nor the USS liberty scandal which happened under my nose while I prayed for them. IT seems strange that we who are Christians pray Thy Will be done on earth as it is in Heaven only to go into a world more like Hell. When praying for the blessing of Israel that Israel was stabbing the US and other nations in the underbelly as well as their involvement in 9-11. If we reap a blessing in their blessing then why did they do that to us? That was no blessing? Are we waking up to something?
Evangelicals need to start questioning what we've been taught. We need to start asking questions and to start digging for information. And we need to ask the Holy Spirit to reveal the Truth to our evangelical community. We've had this unrequited love for the State of Israel. And when Christians visit there, we're disdained. So what's with that?
Yeah what's with that? On the other hand orthodox Jews are opposed to Zionism. They are disdained in Israel. What's with that too?
America shoul continue to support Israel. Because is the founding of the nation God we trust. Now the God we trust is the God of Abrahsm, Isack and Jacob is the God of Israel. We worship and give him thanks giving in our daily life.
You people are trying so hard to seoerate us to spport Israel.
We dtand with Israel.
Any Jew who say America should step back ftom support Isrsel is a selfish and betrayal of its people. Knowing Israel need help from American allies.
The idea of shifting to Turkey as the USA's "best friend and ally" in the Middle East is a interesting suggestion I've heard in a long time! Anyway, let such friendship be based on merit and mutual advantage.
To be against the us is dangerous to be a friend is fatal a jew said this Kissinger
Agree US should step down with special relationship with Israel.
Absolutely correctly written the title USA should step back it's relationships from ISRAEL 🇮🇱. In order to protect/respect USA and American people by the hole world.
Israel give the land back but wanted to control civil service n dictated how big of an army Palestinian were allawed to have. Is that sound like freedom to Palestinian or still subjugation still???
So, the conditions in Gaza are entirely Israel's fault? One speaker in this debate was discussing a period, in the 90's I believe, when Gaza was beginning to thrive with outside interests coming in, then he was cut off before having a chance to say what went wrong.
That proposition was 12 years ago , the guys advocating for the proposition had far vision , if it was followed that we would be much better of now , and yes they were right , I always thought the same way that if United States steps back a little at least when they do something wrong , because Israel consider United States as a God Father is supporting them with money and weapon and the emotional support , and troops if they want , Israel became like the spoiled child that he know that the father would back him up , yes after 12 years I support the proposition and I think if United States Steps Back a little when Israel does wrong , that might help , President Jimmy Carter was able to put parties together to Camp David agreement for peace and for preventing wars and saving lives of all parties , and that led to lot of peace in the area for a long time , Jimmy Carter acted the way that I expect the president of United States to act , very neutral and very fair and does not side any one , I am Egyptian America I chose America to be my country because I thought that it was the best country in the world when it come to Justice , Freedom , and Human Rights , many people in Egypt they think so and they want to come to America, even from all over the world , what I mean to say they are all expecting a lot of perfection from the best country in the world , and they expect it to be neutral and not taking side.
I enjoyed the video , and I agree with every word of the proposition , we have to face the Fact that Israel and Palestine are neighbors they share borders , both of them have to feel safe , because they are stock with each other , I agree with expression that they say it's Not Me or Him It's Me and Him , I hope to see the day that they they will have peace together , and the children from both sides would be friends together , and when they grow up they might marry together , I never thought that war would help but it would make both neighbors are afraid from each other and make them enemy to each other.
I wish we listened to the proposition 12 years ago , that could have saved a lot of lives.
God blush you Mr, Rogers for seeing the truth and facts.obviously Mr. Rosenkranz does not have any relation with truth and reality. I hope oppressors get punished one day
The opposition lost so spectacularly, so cartoonishly, and so completely that it just might split the Red Sea again.
What was debated twelve years ago, some concerns came true laast week Saturday. I hope you can have a debate again, ventilating what's current happening in Palestine. Have the same people to debate to see whether they'll have the same stance.
How many troops did our greatest ally send to fight along side us in Iraq and Afghanistan? Lmfao Remember the USS Liberty! Never forget what Israel did to us!!!!
Hard to believe this was 12 years ago!
Looks like Turkey is no longer going to be the other democracy (outside of Israel) in the ME. And bringing up Qatar is a joke. They have an absolute monarchy, and it's a country that enforces indentured servitude.
Your biggest mistake is claiming Turkey is in the middle east.....
I think the problem with Israel is that Israel has not learnt to be religiously diverse and multi cultural. I think that the world needs to push for this transformation of Israel which needs to take place. Israel can no longer be a monolithic society. The world needs to be at the centre of this change. It’s a huge change for Israel to make, and the world will be resented for this. But without this change Israel will not survive.
Though Israel hypocriticaly calls for the world to be multicultural.
I fear Palestine is the one who will not survive. How horrible a result.
I feel many comments are very futile,they have noreality.Americans after the civil war never had a real war ontheir back yard.There many things a country should not tolorated.The gentleman is a traitor jew,Lenin,the guy who create the comunist SA party was a jew.So i would never take a comunidt serious,he does not represent the jews in the world.He talks like an anti-jew Why does he not go and live there in GAZA,a lot of smoke screen,and a lot of stupid comments,Not surprised that he left Sa.The terrorists will cut his throwt even if he stands with the terrorists.He dies stand with ISRAEL,the only democracy in the middle East.Just the thought of mentioning Obama tell us all his ideias,!
@@user-no8kc6tk1m what it said is the jews think are first class and the Muslims and Christians are second or third category, also think that Israel belong just to them, that's what he is talking.
THEY WERE CLAIMING THEY WERE A DEMOCRACY for 75 YEARS!!! 75 YEARS of LIES!!!
WOW THAT TOOK COURAGE THE TRUTH! USA STAND BACK . HEAR THIS VOICE DO THE RIGHT THING.
Excellent debate. Great moderation as well. Thanks to all
It was over four years ago and it sounds like today. So many information untold to not further damage hornet's nest :)
I was just watching and listening and my hands were shaking like I was about to get one from Israel for not agreeing. In one word - superpower. No comment..
Still feels like today
This debate required norman finkelstein.
Yes!!!!! US should step fown....
i have been saying this for years, we have lost global respect as well as our foothold in the middle east.
3.8 billion annually for what, we have a homeless problem here in the USA . with that kind of cash we can save our country from total ruin.
I'm so happy with the results!!!!!!!!
That was a good debate, but in my opinion a weak performance by the opposing side. 2 things (at least) missed partially or completely:
1. They failed to explain properly one of their very first points, which is that stepping back from the relationships with Israel will send a message of weakness and bring more demands.
One of the main reasons this is true is the mentality and the nature of the Middle East, with which we the Israeli are very familiar. The Arab world thinks quite different from you guys, who always appreciate openness and sacrifices. Israel has made many steps in that direction, some of them were successful (thanks to the influence of the US), and we're prepared for more steps. But the vast majority of them only brought us to more violence and more demands, as our steps were not appreciated and respected as we expected, but taken as pure weakness.
Following these examples you can only conclude that if and when the US government announces such a step-back, overnight you will see Arab countries taking steps directly opposing the expectations that it will be taken as respect and sacrifice, because they will only see weakness, and when they see weakness they exploit it immediately.
2. Mr. Cohen is cheating logic here: He stated a few times that the step-back is (a) "thinking out of the box" and opposing it is (b) "more of the same". He also said that (c) the peace process is doomed and (d) the solution lies only through giving up land.
Israel's policy in the West Bank is far from perfect, and I've been there. It is not of course only our fault and responsibility. But let's not cheat logic: (a) is based on (b), which in turn is based on (c) and (d) together.
Now, (c) is an assumption which is yet to be seen so there's no point in making decisions like it's a fact. I personally believe there is a chance for peace, simply because everyone agrees that the situation cannot continue.
(d) is just wrong: Giving up land has proven useless again and again, not to mention the proposals in the last 15 years that "no one knows" why they were turned down (Hamas threats towards Palestinian leaders?).
That means that it's not really "thinking out of the box" (a), it's actually "more of the same" (b). Desperate sacrifices assuming all is lost, giving up land, pressure on Israel are all more of the same. Out of the box would be pressure on Hamas for example, or proposing a not-Islamic-only state like Israel is not-Jewish-only, like someone said.
Israel created Hamas to take down the PLO. Question - how do they get the rockets ( glorified firecrackers according to Norman Finkelstein) into gaza when it is the most heavily fortified monitored border in the world.
@@nomorewar4189 First of all - wow, I don't even remember it but can't believe how right I was 6 years ago, as it's been perfectly demonstrated by the Trump administration: Officially recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital and moving the embassy there, officially recognizing the Golan heights as part of Israel, freezing aid to the PLO - all steps that were certain to ignite the region and drive the Arab world completely bzrk, supposedly. Yet the OPPOSITE happened: Peace deal after peace deal. "Thinking out of the box" right there.
Furthermore, it's been a consensus that the Palestinian issue is the number one concern in the Arab world. Nope, not even close. Just the latest examples how the west just doesn't understand the Middle East politically nor culturally.
As to your question: I'm not sure if you imply that the rockets into Israel are an Israeli conspiracy or genuinely don't get how a simple rocket like Qassam can be produced from simple materials, some smuggled but mostly legal.
I believe the U.S. should step back from the relationship with Israel for the good of Americans and peace in the Middle East. This war that is killing civilians should stop and the U.S. should not be part of these criminal acts.
The opposite debaters have not really brought any great points as to why US should not cop out of the special relationship it has with Israel.
I got from this debate that the special relationship brought more disadvantages than advantages to the US interest as well as the Israel interest.
khalidi and cohen just crushed the fear merchants
The USA policy can go wrong in many ways. BUT this video is now making me think again. Yet, I am still TRAPPED IN HISTORY… FAR BACK FROM 1948. Both sides deserve a better solution. Controlling water, electricity…food ? That’s crime! Changing the Government of Israel is a must.
✍️📜 The author of "The Girl From Human Street" and New York columnist , Roger Cohen, is correct and I agree with his excellent assessments that should have been heeded, and the United States policies should have asserted his advice with Netanyahu and the Israeli government.⌛️
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
In law, a judge aims for no detectable bias. That is the optimal stance as a mediator. Why don't we try it in our attempts to broker a two-state solution?
Unfortunately the experiment is running out of unicorns for test subjects!
Israel has become the new Apartheid state.
16:30 is that Warren Buffett on the left?
The Jewish community determines the status of the USA, although they’re only 2% of the population; but the 98% of the people are mostly employees and that 2% are mostly employers and principal donors to both the political parties. So, there is a strong bipartisan consensus on the special relationship between Israel and USA.
Beautiful and powerful poetry this will be immortalized for palistine
"Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations; entangling alliances with none." - Thomas Jefferson
It's time for the US to end its entangling alliance with Israel.
Thomas Jefferson was intelligent but no one could foresee what the world would become today.
If we allow one ally to be destroyed then being our ally means nothing and slowly but surely democracy will be eradicated around the world.
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
Thomas Jefferson, in my opinion, was the greatest President we ever had and I agree with his comment you quoted. But there are exceptions like, Israel. Look how Jefferson went around the Constitution with the Louisiana Purchase ( the greatest decision for the USA).
Behavior dictates survival. Being an Apartheid state may seem right to Israel, but is it?
Wonderful Debate of intelligent minds and experienced thinkers.!!! Loved ❤the outcome of the debate, totally agree.
Both USA and Uk is the origin of the problem in Palestine
Both have to be put aside while addressing a solution of the conflict
WOW WOW AND MORE WOW …. That we are STILL HERE, 12 years ago, today, 12 year later…. WOW…. It’s like nothing has been solved. WOW…. It’s Time For America to stop supporting the right-winged Israeli Mr Benjamin Netanyahu… how we’re still where we should be Re-arguing this again, is mind blowing my exhausting ….
May Allah guide this organization right and grant theme understanding ❤i wish everyone understands the condition of America as is going out of justice totally
It is odd that speakers on both sides "forget" that Palestine to this day is an occupied country, invaded illegally in 1948. If your country were invaded, say by Nazis, would you treat them as welcome guests? How long would it take for you to forgive them, especially if they set up an apartheid system?
In 1948 it was invaded by Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, and Iraq. Invasion implies an outside force, not people who already lived there (Though many of the Jewish fighters in the 1948 were immigrants, almost none of them immigrated immediately before the war.)
In 12 years since this debate, the special relationship has resulted in Israel moving further far right than ever, the Palestinians still oppressed in the occupied territories and more illegal settlements built than ever, with peace nowhere in sight and every other Arab chanting death to America on a regular basis. This relationship has been special alright , “very special”.
Wowwwww seriously 12 yrs ago???? A civilizated agree to disagree???? Wowwww
Mitchell may have very well succeeded in Ireland but failed big time for ending the Palestinian/Israeli conflict.
“We’re Not Worried About The United States,
We Own America and, They Know It!”
-Arial Sharon
(Former Soldier / Israeli Prime Minister / “The Butcher of Beirut”)
Sharon was a criminal and was tried as such but that is not a real quote.
Truely for America to remain strong it is advantage for it to be globaly neural and for it to be more vigilent and impartial in its global jugement it should step back on its special relation with Israel or neither any other country.
As far as US sovereignty is concerned, it has a great policy but foreign policies are very weak.
Overall the debate which is being taking place is good and in a right direction, I think US should not have special relationship with Israel, there shall be uniform relationship with rest of the world.
First off, I'm a dedicated supporter of Israel and their right to exist. That does NOT mean, however, they should be beyond review and criticism. I totally agree that we have given Israel way too much assistance and support. They are more than rich and powerful enough to absorb the loss of US taxpayer dollars. That doesn't mean we should abandon them diplomatically or suspend all assistance. The question is one of balance.
We need to pressure them to stop building settlements. They are only hurting themselves by doing so.
They should stop bombing civilians indiscriminately!
I think this was one of the best debates so far in terms of the quality of the panelists, but judging purely from how well they argued I would say the side arguing against the motion did much better. They had more and better facts, and they stayed on topic more specifically, I think much of the undecided portion already had strong sympathies for the motion and were not won over by debate alone.
Btw I hate the accusations of racism or anti-semitism when someone argues for something that minority groups don't agree with, even when the person is a part of that group. I'm sure the British Jewish guy sincerely believes that what he is saying is in the ultimate interest of Jews in Israel, and I'm glad that these notions did not come from the side arguing against.
2/..Should NEVER step back.
America is Blessed becauseof its Supportiveness. “ I will Bless” those that Bless Thee ( Israel”; thus, US should continue to Bless Israel more
positively!).
Who all is going down in this enormous mess? The world, each country large and small, will learn about themselves, their strengths, weaknesses, principles, and loyalties. The show of the century.
why do we never hear any of these people ever mention anything about USS LIBERTY?
The question should be when the USA must separate from the terror state know israel !! The answer is yesterday !!
is this old debate like 12 yrs ago? or Recent
Thank you to some people here!!!
We jews don`t need any excuses to justify our right to exist, to have the same national rights as other people got. The reasoning behind "unclechrist`s" & other indifferently anti-jewish people here is immoral as well as fundamentally flawed.
This conflict is NOT religiously based, it`s the height of ignorance to claim so !
This conflict is about geopolitics, history, morals and international law, which the League of Nations recognized at the San Remo conference in 1918-19, recognizing my jewish nation`s (am Yisrael) right to a national home in the formerly turkish occupied province of "palestine", british mandate area -that`s Israel, as well as our right to life, pursuit of happiness and national self defense there, as stipulated by a majority of members of the U.N.S.C.O.P. & U.N.general assembly in 1947 !!
Yes, the kurds got the same rights to a homeland of their own as we jews do have ... -we acknowledge that, but will Syria, Iran and Turkey agree to give the kurdish people their due national rights ?? -I don`t think so !!
-Granted, the national rights of the kurds are not regulated by international law /conventions as ours are, but morally they SHOULD be.
Yes USA must sever its relationship with Israel.
Appreciations For Your Coverage! 💞🙏
It's interesting how few of the opinions herein are balanced. Every comment below is a lop-sided, out-of-context oversimplification.. How many Israel-haters on this post have spoken out against Iraq, Syria and others for their treatment of the Kurds? When Muslims are mistreated or killed by other Muslims, nobody speaks out. Opposing religious entities will always be at odds because they are fundamentally opposed to each other's claim to being God's chosen..
It's interesting how you seem to have just noticed for the first time that opinions expressed on the internet are not usually balanced, congrats! It is also interesting how you seem to set a precedent that if one wants to criticize Israel, they must also criticize the red herrings you listed, or else their credibility comes into question for some reason.
John Smith Spot on.
quite a "pass" you've tried to construct for Israeli excesses: "other people do it, too!' doesn't work for mouthy teens or criminals who get busted.
and shouldn't
Sebastian Ionescu Did I say it's okay? Why are you lying? Is it to cover up your utter lack of integrity?
jlawrence It's not a pass at all. The comment was directed at you -- the sophisticated narcissists who talk and talk and talk, but never do anything. All they have to offer the world is more bitter divisiveness. If you were a TRUE defender of human rights, your actions would be more homogeneous. What I'm truly curious about, is if you (collectively) know that your malignant rhetoric creates more division and moves us away from peaceful solutions and are just projecting your smug self-righteousness, or, if your completely ignorant of your herd-like tendency to move with the masses?
There are very good reasons why U.S. supports Israel -- economic, strategic and ideological etc. And while we can discuss the appropriate level of support and how the U.S. would best benefit from the relationship, these discussions are difficult to hold because of conspiracy nuts and religious fanatics -- as so many of the posts here illustrate.
There is nothing good in having a relationship with Israel anyone who thinks that they can convince you otherwise is a manipulative pos
60 Billion in aid is not good economics, you must be a republican.
Did u even hear what were said in the vid..?
Israel's been the one that kept defying the U.S. & U.N. and breaking human rights and international laws without ANY consequences.
If there's one major hindrance to reaching any REAL serious peace solution IS israel.