The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe, Lost in Adaptation ~ The Dom
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- Опубліковано 20 гру 2018
- Did the 2005 film adaptation of the Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe do justice to the book it's based on by C.S. Lewis?
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I find it funny that Lewis and Tolkien were bffs since Lewis is the king of too little detail and Tolkien is the king of too much detail
Guess you can say they were a case of opposites attract :)
Too little detail? Granted The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe wasn't a dictionary-sized book, but did you miss the food-porn?
@@riptobias Sure, but for the most part he left A LOT to the imagination. He was writing for children, in the knowledge that their wonder-filled brains would fill in every little detail of the world, while Tolkien practically took time to describe each blade of grass as well as its origin story.
@@AmbiguousProxy That doesn't necessarily make it too little vs too much detail, though. More like a good amount for a creative imagination vs waaaaaaay too much :P
I once read that it was thanks the Lewis that Lord of the Rings was ever published. Tolkien was so obsessed with detail that he'd spent decades creating the lore that eventually became the Silmarillion, the books of lost tales, ect., along with entire languages, that he might have never been finished.
I have to admit, adding the air raid at the start of the movie give you a grounding in the times that the book assumes the reader has. As a child i remember having to have it explained to me that it was normal during WWII at that time for families to send their kids away to family in the country due to those air raids. So I think its great that they added it, and it serves as a great way to SHOW why they were leaving their home, rather then TELLING. But that is just me.
yeah I like that too because it isn't normal for us now.
Agreed, the further we get from WWII, the more viewers will need this context, especially if we aren't from the U.K.
I thought it was a good choice too, I just wonder how many people walked out of the theater because they thought it was the wrong movie.
It’s also expertly called back to when Peter decides to call in the Blitz in the final battle. Like, of course a kid from the 40s would try to mimic 40s era warfare if he were conscripted into leading an army.
Also, Heinkel 111's! They are cool as hell!
When I was a kid I got a good laugh out of Edmund being called "the Just". I didn't know what that meant and assumed it meant he was "just Edmund", versus being the one to adhere to justice
trequor “Edmund the Edmund. Just good ole Edmund.”
😂😂😂
He would've deserved it. That little shit...
It means “the justified” pretty fitting for Edmunds as he was eventually justified by Aslan.
@@thefaun6782 It's because when they grew up he ran the criminal justice system and was really really good at it.
"Always winter, but never Christmas"
So, January
Or you live in the Southern Hemisphere
Where Christmas happens in summer
The book does describe the thawing of the land as taking it "from January to May."
On another note, there is potentially some symbolism inherent in "always winter but never Christmas." You may or may not know that the timing and many of the customs of Christmas stem from earlier Pagan celebrations of the winter solstice, which was recognized as a turning point--it's still cold af, but the days are getting longer again and so we know spring will arrive eventually. So if Christmas never occurs, we never get our turning point and winter just goes on forever. And what's the first crack in the White Witch's spell? The appearance of Father Christmas.
I don't know how deliberate this was on Lewis's part. He might have just been setting up a scenario that would appall children--all the nasty aspects of winter without the joyful parts--but considering his use of Pagan imagery in this and other books in the series, I wonder.
Orthodox Christmas is in January, so I guess it would always be February?
or chicago in any day of the year (besides december 25)
Nnnoooo!!!
When my young cousin just watched the movie and asks me if i saw the movie and starts explaining the story
*DO NOT CITE THE OLD MAGIC TO ME WITCH, I WAS THERE WHEN IT WAS WRITTEN*
This is such a Narnia nerd moment, and as one I love it!
Jesus confirmed
@@madcircle7311 what happened to the ape
Well...if your really are old maybe you were...
Hahahaha!
The scene of the blitz at the beginning added much-needed historical context, it wasn’t just copying Lord of the Rings. While nobody in 1950 needed an explanation why the kids were being sent out of the city, kids in 2005 certainly wouldn’t have had that cultural context.
Especially Americans since we never had to experience that fear during the time.
I was going to say that most adaptations I've seen past a certain point feature that historical context at the start because it's becoming increasingly necessary the further it goes into our history. There was a stage adaptation I took part in that literally opened with the sound of sirens/planes/bombs before the curtains opened on the children mid-evacuation talking about the blackout and I think that was around 2002. Pretty sure another adaptation I saw featured something similar too, or at least a brief mention of why the children were leaving.
How the hell would anyone think it is copying Lord of the Rings anyway? LOTR doesn't start with an air raid of any kind. Did he mean copying the movie version's concept of having a prologue? Cause that's just a silly, unfair and unprofessional comparison.
@Cartoon Judge! C.G. It really doesn't though. You barely see any plans but german ones. And then you see the kids. And then it ends.
Agreed - think this was a rare case of a film addition to a book absolutely giving an enhancement. The context of WWII was so overwhelming at the time of writing in the 1950s that it just didn't need any real mention behind the words "because of the war" on the opening page, but of course, the whole story is really steeped in the analogy to the battle against Nazism.
One of my favorite additions to the film was the White Witch wearing Aslan's mane into battle after killing him. 1) it's like stealing his crown, 2) she's literally WEARING A PART OF HER DEAD ENEMY'S BODY, THAT'S SO METAL, 3) she's just rubbing it in that she killed him. It's just soooo in-character for her. It works really well with one of their other additions: her icicle crown slowly melting as her power wanes. lost her crown? no problem! steal his.
Yeah she made the film for me -- and not one mention in the review
Such an oversight for a national treasure ...
Kind of a cheat for the best actor in the film ....
I never noticed that.
I realized a little while ago that, throughout the whole rest of the film, she wears cool colours, which both suits her nature and contrasts her to the warm gold of Aslan, but in the battle, she changes to wearing much warmer colours, her hair blends in with Aslan’s mane like it’s a part of her, the gold headpiece has fang-like shapes framing her face, and her eye makeup is dark with exaggerated lines towards her nose, resembling the shape of lion eyes. It’s like, thinking Aslan is dead and gone, she’s trying to supplant his position of the beneficiary of everyone’s ultimate, unquestioned loyalty, but, because she lacks his core values and mutual loyalty and therefore could never replace him, she is defeated by him the instant he joins the battle.
Am I the only one who felt incredibly sorry for the children because had they lived long enough they would have gone through puberty two times?
Poor Susan certainly did, I think virginal Lucy avoided that. either way, imagine the deja vu the kids would be getting as they grew.
@@chsparkle yeah, although come to think of it they would have gotten a do over...I think a lot of people with they could re-do mittle school and the like.
Still, it's not much of a do over if the circumstances are so different. Going through puberty as a queen is different then going through puberty as a middle school student.
Why? They already know what to expect and can draw from a lifetime of experiences and not just in that regard.
It's like the teenage clone of Colonel Jack O'Neill from Stargate SG-1. He has all the memories and training up to the point he was cloned (yes, there was more involved than just cloning) and still decided to go back to school as a teenager at the end of the episode. I think he said something along the line of not making mistakes this time around while looking at the girls. Though, from a moral point of view this is rather questionable.
@@grayscribe1342 Uh...didn't get the reference, but I get what you are saying. I guess it would be fun to go over this with a new perspective. (I'm in 8th grade).
Regardless of any faults, Tilda Swinton was flawless casting.
Terrifying omg. I loved her in this.
Preach!!
YES SHE WAS!!!
She's creepy city, for sure.
100%!
Fun fact is that the old professor in the book and movies is meant to be based on Tolkien and tree beard in lord of the rings is based on Lewis
I really hope this is true
Lewis actually based the professor on his real life tutor he went to live with after his time in boarding school.
Omg that’s so sweet
That's quite cool
I thought Tolkien was supposed to be Father Christmas
I'm fine with the added flaws to Peter and Susan's characters because it makes sense to me. They're sent off to an isolated mansion in the middle of nowhere from Blitz-ridden London, leaving behind their mother and their home in the process; I thusly chalk it up to the siblings being stressed out, frustrated, and not a little homesick. I actually find it rather odd that they're so comparatively cheery about everything it in the book.
I agree. I also chalked it up to Peter and Susan being responsible older siblings and trying to step into the role of Mom and Dad, very obviously over-compensating and making things a little worse sometimes. Quoth Edmund "You think you're an adult but your not!!"
Though while I agree somewhat with this, personally I agree with Dominic with Peter having a better humanization of his character than Susan. He was the oldest, probably a couple of years off from being drafted into the war himself. He more than likely had the closest relationship with their father and so when he left for the front lines, he became the man of the house in his father's place. So he took on that role along with the role of the elder brother. So for when he was telling Edmund off (who I think was a bit rebellious) it was justified, especially when he was clearly bullying Lucy. Susan, on the other hand, didn't really have much justification when she kept telling Peter off for things he had no control over (not to mention she never apologized when she turned out to be wrong). I think Susan was quite a hard character to write anything for when you had the rest of the siblings doing clear, distinct things, and she...not so much. It makes me wonder if that was one of the reasons why she didn't turn up in the later novels after the Caspian adventures.
The flaws actually kinda match what happens in the later books, I always loved the films adaptations of the characters, especially lucy and edmund tho.
I cant for the life of mine find this movie
anymore.
Why the heck?!
Definitely agree with the viewpoints so far in this thread! As a lifelong re-reader of the series, I've always felt Movie!Susan's initial disengagement with things that don't match her pre-conception of reality & her relative lack of empathy for the Narnian creatures' sufferings nicely foreshadow some places where her character arc went in later books...? Whilst her concern for their safety also 100% makes logical sense to me, as an older sister!!
Definitely never seen Book!Peter as an intended perfect knight either? Even in the book's knighting scene, his occasional carelessness is highlighted by Aslan in addition to his undeniable courage. I really liked how the movie dramatized the book's description of how freaked out he was to have to face the wolf without actual sword training, too, & how it was primarily his bravery rather than skill which won the encounter? (Incidentally, "Peter & the Wolf" - whoooops,can't believe it took me 35-odd years to spot that one, can only plead very infrequent classical music exposure! 😂)
"Susan didn't get into heaven"
Except she did. People asked Lewis about this, and stated that her story much more closely mirrors his own. She survived the train crash, and while she fell away from faith for a time, she would eventually find herself back again. What made it even better, is that he sort of encouraged fanfiction by encouraging his fans to write about what they thought happened to Susan.
Source?
Susan got into Narnia eventually despite her lack of faith. Once a king or queen of Narnia, always a king or queen.
It's possible Lewis was projecting his own survivor's guilt, as he fought in the war and came home, unlike his friends. Still, it's a bit depressing how Peter and the other kids claim "my sister Susan is no longer a friend of Narnia," and all she cares about is "nylons and lipstick and invitations" in the text itself. I suppose it depends on what you consider canon, but I'd like to think she was eventually welcomed back into the fold after a long life doing extraordinary things, like her author
I’m actually really pleased to hear this-I was under the impression that Susan lost her chance myself, and if I’m honest, as a child with an extremely strict conservative upbringing of fear-mongering and crushing guilt, and with this being one of the only fantasy series I was allowed to read, I was a little crushed that one of the siblings was “made an example of”-at least, that was what my parents seemed to interpret. I didn’t love Susan, but the thought of her being eternally separated from her family made me deeply sad. My childhood self thanks you, it’s rare when something in this world turns out to be LESS awful than you remember.
you know what would have made the whole thing even better though? if noone died, or if aslan didn't destroy narnia because people didn't worship him anymore, or if the entire last book hadn't been written. pick one, or all.
I heard a joke (not sure if it's true) that Tolkein told Lewis no good fantasy story could have a lamp post in it so Lewis put a lamp post in Lion, Witch, and Wardrobe just to spite his friend
Sara Sleightholm I heard that to.
Also, Tolkien despised the mixing of mythologies and heavy handed allegory, which means that this series has to have felt like torture to Tolkien.
I can almost imagine Lewis giggling at the more and more exasperated look on Tolkien’s face as he realized that fauns, dryads, dwarfs, giants, and anthropomorphic animals are all floating in this world.
@@dewayner5388 You've solved the reality behind Narnia. Its not a Religious Allegory. Its Lewis Trolling Tolkein.
Don't know if it's true, but it sounds pretty accurate lol
I once read that Lewis wrote Narnia primarily to prove Tolkien wrong since Tolkien believed fantasy was not a genre for children and you couldn't write a good fantasy novel that had links to the real world.
There's a preface in my Narnia books written by Lewis' nephew that goes into detail about the friendship between Lewis and Tolkien and I've always thought it was great.
I thought it was in reference to a lamppost at Campbell College, which C.S. Lewis attended.
One moment I really like in this movie is that when Peter and Susan are talking to the Professor he kinda half pays attention to them like how some adults do when a child is telling them something UNTIL THEY MENTION THE WARDROBE, his face changes to a more serious expression, and yes having read the books I know who he is and how he fits into the series, I’m just saying that this was a great addition even if it was just minor
kamenriderreaper oh yeah he’s the guy that visited Narnia by accident in the first book
@@gracekim25 Interestingly enough, even though The Magician's Nephew is the first book in the series, The Lion, The Witch, and the Wardrobe was written first. I think Lewis wasn't to explain how Narnia came to be and help answer a few questions regarding the Professor lol.
@@gracekim25 And he had the wardrobe built out of wood from a tree grown out of seeds from an apple he picked in Narnia, so the minute they mentioned the wardrobe...
@@Zodia195 Some publications number the books in chronological order, but I think it's more fun to read them in the order they were written. Reading the Magician's Nephew as a prequel gives some great 'aha' moments that wouldn't have had nearly as much impact if they were read first.
I loved that to. He’s like “oh yes problems with your sister, you’re family, it’ll probably sort itself out...” *straightens up* “What’s that you say? A magical land in the upstairs wardrobe?”
I have an explanation for Lewis' food porn descriptions. There was still post-war rationing at the time, so the idea of having all the food you wanted may have seemed as much a fantasy as everything else in the book.
I love the fact that the entire span of Narnia happens within a person's lifetime in our world. The professor in the first book witnesses the creation of Narnia as a boy and he is still alive when it finally ends.
And it tells the entire history of Narnia, from it's creation to it's end. If you call it an end. After all, "Once a King or Queen in Narnia always a King and Queen in Narnia". Only after the last book we understand the truth behind this sentence.
Technically, he was dead when Narnia was destroyed
There is one point that you missed dom. Don’t worry it’s not major but, part of the reason Edmund betrayed his siblings is that the Turkish delight was enchanted.
It was designed that once you took a bite you couldn’t get enough of it and would do anything for more.
This isn’t mentioned in the film.
Yeah, Edmund wasn’t so much a bully as he was a chocolate junkie who was going through so much withdrawal he was willing to sell his family to get a fix.
Just so you know.
Paul Ferancik No Edmund was a bully,he resented Peter for taking over his father’s role as head of the family and he enjoyed tormenting Lucy,yes the Turkish Delight was enchanted but Edmund was not entirely innocent part of him wanted to rule over Peter. In the book it was the school that turned him into a bully.
So basically those Turkish delights were laced with Cocaine.!
@@mysticloverfairy1 Honestly it seems more like Nihilego from pokemon sun and moon. it amplifies your desires to an intense level to the point where you're not thinking rationally anymore.
I thought the film hinted at this when Mr Beaver said “I could see it in his eyes” and “has he ever been to Narnia before?”, implying that this isn’t the first time the Witch used enchanted food to gain spies.
While the Turkish delight was indeed enchanted, that doesn't seem to be completely what motivated Edmund. If it were, then Edmund would have told everyone about Narnia to get them to go back there faster so he could hurry and get his fix.
Though it's possible the effects just didn't work when he wasn't in Narnia, as the sixth book reveals that the Witch's magic doesn't work on Earth.
Still, Edmund is definitely treated like the betrayal was his own choice. It is treated as something Edmund did and had to get forgiveness for. And the Deep Magic and Deeper Magic both count Edmund as the traitor--the Queen is entitled to his death because he betrayed his family, and Aslan is able to rise again because he died in place of a traitor.
So, while the magic may have compelled him (at least, while in Narnia), I don't think it was just him needing a fix, having eternal withdrawal symptoms. If so, then the Witch wouldn't have needed to also push the idea that he'd be high king over the other three.
I remember reading somewhere that C.S. Lewis and his contemporaries fantasized about food a lot because at the time of their writing England was still under rationing. You see it a lot in Tolkien's writing too and heck even Ian Fleming's James Bond books sometimes have a weird fixation on lavishly described meals.
Tolkien literally wrote about a culture build upon the principles of being really nice, giving people presents, explicitly not going to war and all of the food.
Not to mention Lewis and Tolkien had to choke down WW1 rations
Brian Jacques Redwall Novels did the same.....and I love em all
Well, and also, the Narnia books have things in them that are clearly Lewis hearkening back to his own childhood and what kids are interested in (thus the Turkish Delight). Lots of kids who went to boarding schools really missed delicious, home-cooked food (or sometimes getting enough to eat at all, depending on the school), so it might also have been a nod toward that. (Lewis himself HATED school, partly because the headmaster at his was apparently a sadist... It gives some real punch to when the kids have died and gone to heaven and someone says, "The term is over; the holidays have begun."
@Cartoon Judge! C.G. The cartoon was honestly a bit disappointing and doesn't really do justice to his writing.
As to "sorcery, doomsday prophecies, chosen ones and mythical creatures"...ehhhh ish?
So there is a very understated version of magic and prophecies, The Badger Lords of Salamandestron would be a good example. And you have Martin the warrior's spirit in later novels as a guardian spirit revealing things in riddles for the main characters to sort out. But if I was to describe the series, it's different. Gosh this would be many paragraphs if I tried to break down exactly what he does.
Honestly Jacques is the comfort food of adventure stories, fairly formulaic when you read a few, but ultimately satisfying.
As an adult they are still my favorite series of books.
Top choices if you want to read them
Lord Brocktree
Mossflower
Mariel of Redwall
The Bellmaker (sequel to Mariel)
Marlfox
Taggerung
Can't recommend them enough!!!!
Liam Neeson going "tehehe" is something I need now
He really was a great casting choice for Aslan. He’s got the warmth like James Earl Jones as Mufasa, but also has a fierceness when Aslan warns the White Witch off
@Scom Tott It's just like seeing that picture of Harris Dumbledor in the hospital with the Goblet of Fire quote and just having that warmness wash over you. -w- Thank you.
Just realised that lewis barely ever talks about kids relationships with their parents. The only time i can think of is in the magician's nephew and diggory's mother is dying. This is super sad if you think about Lewis's upbringing. His mother died when he was young and he didn't have a good relationship with his father. He grew up practically an orphan.
all kid fantasy books delete the parents from the fantasy, since children know there is no fun when adults are around, if u put a parent in ur story u loose the children engagement to the universe ur creating.
Liam Neeson voicing Lion Jesus. What more do you really need?
Ben Wasserman wait...dude...
Liam...lion
Neeson...Jesus
Him looking like actual Jesus in Star Wars Ep.1
Liam Neesom kicking ass in a scene
So, based off that anthro line, Aslan is Furry Jesus!!!!!
Morgan Freeman?
As an older sibling, I think both Peter and Susan were subject to the replacement-for-parent trope. It is a thing that happens, especially with pre-teens, but it became a substitute for any other personality traits they could've had.
Also explains why he's constantly harping on Edmund. He's acting more like a father than a brother. So calling Edmund out for his failures more often, telling the others to leave so they won't get hurt, etc. He's essentially trying to fill his father's shoes.
Hannah Maher Yeah, Peter had already been trying to shoulder the selfless quasi-patriarch mantle since their dad went off to war, and now that their mother was out of the picture too, Susan found herself attempting to usurp the role of the stern maternal figure.
It only seemed natural that the two oldest and most mature siblings would bicker with each other to defend their respectively assumed positions of authority in dire situations.
This dichotomy added a level of depth to not only the relationships of each of the children, but added a level of character to Susan that seemed absent in the book, which honestly struggled to give her something to do.
Now if only they had remembered they could have some personality hints and traits beyond that. I know they got some in the sequels, those weren't terribly good though.
Micky Deery As rudimentary as it may be, this development is better than anything Peter and Susan got in the book, where Peter was supposed to be a faultless bastion of virtue and Susan was...the other sister.
Better then what they got in the book but with the run time of the film they could have done better then that.
Probably the point where i have to give leeway for child acting, though some of the actors where older at time of filming then i expected.
May I memtion how gorgeous these effects are? In a timeline where we got stuck with Cats 2019, it is spectacular to see a movie 14 years older look this great.
It took me forever to realise that they did not just train a lion but they did it with cgi. Same with Harry Potter creatures like fawkes or buckbeak
Its insane how better Aslan looks than the lions from the Lion King remake.
Personally, I liked the added flaws to Peter as it makes him and Edmund both seem a little more human; Peter because he is no longer a flawless hero and Edmund because it makes his betrayal a little more understandable. I'll agree it's a different feel from the book, but I don't dislike either. Also, this movie HEAVILY foreshadows the change in Susan that we only really hear about in the book The Last Battle. I remember when reading the books this kind of shocked me because while not super 3-D in the books, Susan is shown as fairly smart and brave and is overall a good person until she's not. If they had finished the movie series, I think this would definitely have been less surprising and I wonder if that's why Susan was made more dislikable in this movie. All that being said, I still love this movie and even though its sequels were somewhat lacking, I wish they had finished the series and made all the movies.
@@guardianvalor962 I see we're both late to the party. In the last book of the series, during the final battle, all of the characters from the previous books return to Narnia except for Susan. It is revealed she no longer believes in Narnia and thinks that it was just a childhood fantasy they engaged in. She dismisses the others' insistence it is real and misses the train back.
@@guardianvalor962 I'm not sure. It could be a less believing initial attitude/general unpleasantness that makes a change to getting a skeptic later on seem more natural. It's been too long since I read the books to be sure.
@@philipschroeder675 @Antonio Lansang Yes, that's basically the gist of it. Susan is made a good deal more unpleasant in the movies than she was in the books. In the books, she is not averse to an adventure and the idea to put on the coats because they "wouldn't be taking them out of the wardrobe" was hers, not Peter's. She and Peter both immediately agree to try to find Tumnus once they realize he's missing. She wishes they hadn't been gone to Narnia and had to face these problems in the first place, but now that they're there she agrees they have to see their journey through to the end. Overall, her book character is smart and sympathetic. In the movies, she contradicts Peter on every issue and constantly talks about how the logical thing to do is to go home. She is much whinier than her book counterpart. The pro to this is that it makes more sense when in the last book she becomes obsessed with makeup and thinks of Narnia as childish, but the con is that it takes a smart, empathetic character and makes her generally dislikable.
Honestly, I feel like Dom's characterisation of Book!Peter as a flawless hero (or even an intended one) is fairly far off-base! I always read him as someone who means really well, but doesn't always get it right, and suffers from a fair amount of self-doubt as well as definite feelings of responsibility & guilt for his younger siblings' safety/danger..?
Re. Susan: she's definitely not as much of a POV character as some of the others, either in book or film - I suspect quite possibly this reflects Lewis' lack of significant interactions with non-preteen females in between his mum's premature death and the point in time at which he wrote these books? However, I've never felt her "defection" at end of the series came 100% out of nowhere... Check her dialogue w Lucy in Prince Caspian when Lucy's proved right about having seen Aslan by the river Rush, or how she's already portrayed as a (Narnian) adult in The Horse & His Boy, for just a couple of examples?
Susan: But...how did it happen?
Aslan: *BECAUSE I'M JESUS!*
@Poppy KIRK That was a reference to a 5 second video by the Critic-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named.
Aslan is Jesus’s fursona
He'd get on well with Batman.
I think the obsession for food might have been due to the long years of rationing Britain had been and was still going through at the time ;)
Could be. If you ever watch Korean dramas food is so central to all of them I often wonder if it is due to scarcity during th Korean War.
What time period did Enid Blyton live in again? Cause her descriptions of food in the 'Famous Five' series made me snack a lot in my childhood. 😂😂😂
@@DeadInside-ct6dl haha same!
Yes, my parents were born in '44 and 1945 and grew up on rationing. Added a layer of insight when our mum read us the story. She told us how she'd get chocolate twice a year - one bar for birthday and one for Christmas. We were growing up having more in a week than she got in a year, totally blew our minds!
@@helenl3193 My mum was born in '39; moved to Britain after the War but still in time for the rationing. Every day for their tea they got what my great-grandfather referred to as "bread and scrape": a slice of bread with a thin layer of either butter or jam (you couldn't have both), as thin as you possibly could scrape it over the bread, so as to make the rations last the full week. He seems to have been really put out with it.
In boarding school you also had to eat *everything* on your plate, including the fat and gristle, so Mum thought she was being quite lenient by not making us eat the gristle! She said you had to just choke it down without thinking about it. And ideally you'd choke it down first, so you could finish off the meal with the nicer bits.
One time she and her father were in a train, having breakfast; she had porridge, which had one small sprinkle of brown sugar right in the middle. So she'd very carefully eaten all the way around it, leaving that mouthful for last, when her dad drew her attention to something out the window. And while she was distracted, the waitress swooped in and tidied away her bowl of porridge--with the sugary bit!!-- without asking. And of course she was *far* too British (this being probably around 1949 or so) to object.
She would still tell us the story thirty years later, in the Eighties, so I think it really must have ticked her off! I know it would me, heh.
TL;DR: Rationing would *absolutely* explain the food porn.
I remember feeling a bit left out when me and my family saw the movie, as I was the only one who liked Edmund the most. Thankfully my aunt, who was the one to introduce us kids to the books together with our mom, also really liked Edmund. Regarding Susan, apparently Lewis was supposed to write one more book which was supposed to be mostly about Susan and how she got her faith in Narnia back, making her able to follow her siblings after her own death. Sadly Lewis died before he finished that book...
I was straight up shocked - pleasantly so - at how faithful they were to the book. I had gotten used to film adaptations running roughshod over aspects of literature that I personally liked best.
Also, Tilda Swinton as the White Witch...*fan girly flails*
Allow me to be the “actually” girl. The White Witch was only part Giant and part Djinn. Having any human blood at all was enough to give you a claim to the Narnian Throne and Jadis was inclined to let people believe that she was a descendant of humans to justify her queenship. However she didn’t have a claim on the throne because she had “not a drop of human blood in her veins”.
I imagine if you ever try to bring it up to her, she just turn you into stone, hard to argue legitimacy with a monarch with magic powers.
Let me send that a Lowryn's scornfull sneer.
Your name would then be Actua Leigh.
Wasn’t she descended from Lilith? Or am I thinking of someone else?
Million Words if I remember correctly, you ARE actually right.
A thought about the beginning scene of the film with the bombings:
I was an American child who read the books, then later an American teenager who saw the film adaptation. For the general youngest age range this movie could be suitable for, American children/teens at the age range haven't learned too many specific details/happenings on war history. Especially not from other countries' perspectives. As a kid reading the book, I remember being a little sad and confused that the main characters were sent away from their parents and to some country mansion that wasn't a family member's, or a sort of boarding school. It wasn't until later in high school that I learned about how parents in London were offered the chance to send their kids to the safer countryside while the war raged on (please excuse my simplified summary of that whole complex historical event).
I definitely agree that the whole bombing scene itself was 'spiced up' for viewers, but I think it was also added for American/foreign audiences. In a visual medium, where story is better shown than told, it really informed us exactly why the kids were sent to strangers in a mansion, and what their mom was trying to shield them from. Compared to something that might be a little more common knowledge in the country where it happened (and where the story was written), it doesn't leave room for American preteens/audiences to think, "Wow, I guess they must have hated their kids to just send them away like that for some reason we can't see."
Hope you don't mind me chiming in with my input! Great video, as always!
Yeah, I'd say that even many American teenagers at the time this came out may not necessarily have known much about the bombing of London or the relocation of British children to the countryside depending on how WWII was covered in their history classes and what books they read. The general American take on WWII is "Americans beat the Nazis" - it's less common to see the role of Britain discussed especially in less serious and more popular depictions of the war.
It's kinda weird finding out young American teenagers (or teens from any other country apart from the uk) didn't know about this, I learned about the refugees (is that what they're called I haven't learned about them since I was 11) aged 5 from a tv show called horrible histories. You have to learn it at some part in your life.
@@goodjobeli I knew about it I think by middle school but I can't really remember learning about it in school? We didn't really talk much about Britain's contributions to the war until AP History (aka only for the smartest kids). And who knows how things are covered in states with more iffy education systems like Texas. It was definitely necessary information- of course this is probably true for many things about individual countries' histories.
I had to learn about it from Peter Pan 2.
@@goodjobeli I Had to learn about it AFTER school. because my dad is such a WWII junkie and watched a lot of documentaries, I learned EVERYTHING I know from these documentaries. In School our history class never really made it past the civil war. We Didn't really learn much world history either.
I think the closest we got to learning about WWII was reading Anne Frank in Middle school English.
Ohhhhh. You said “dam home” not “damn home”. Three times now I’ve watching this episode now and wondered what you had against the beavers’ house.
Beavers: the best dam builders in the animal kingdom
Personally, Susan was my favorite character in the book because she had a refreshing honesty and a very relatable attitude. When the four of them get to Narnia, find out Tumnus is in trouble, and are talking about what to do, she was me lol: "I don't want to go a step further and I wish we'd never come. But I think we must try to do something for Mr. Whatever-his-name-is -- I mean the Faun." Respect.
The thing about Peter not being the perfect fairy tale hero doesn't bother me at all. I think it makes him more relatable and believable, which ultimately serves the movie better, despite it being supposed to be a fairy tale. Then again, I am the eldest of four siblings and the first time I watched the movie we were all about the same age exactly as the kids in this movie and all of them were practically British versions of us, so I would relate I suppose.
MariWakocha Yeah, I hate perfect knight characters. I wouldn’t be able to stand him if he was.
I found the fractiousness between the children in the movies both annoying and poorly written. Their nagging at each other makes it hard to like them, rather than humanizing them in a relatable manner.
@@forestshepherd253 Oh. They sound exactly like me and my siblings would when we were younger xD
Yeah Peter being a perfect knight Works in a children’s book but not in a Big Budget Hollywood Film
He got it right that it was subjective - I appreciated the dynamic between Peter and Edmund. Probably because I'm the eldest too. I wasn't the best sibling in the world, I tried to be responsible the best I could be but its hard when you're still a kid yourself so watching these brothers, these siblings, was a throwback.
Can we all agree Tilda Swinton is amazing even if compared to other versions she doesn’t look very witchy or icy
Iain 97 Tilda Swinton is definitely one of the best parts of this movie which is saying a lot for me because I love this adaptation of The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe.
It the book she was stunningly beautiful.
I think someone like Eva Green would have been better
Actually not unhappy that they slid her into film 3, sorrrrrrrrrrt of subtly setting up her return for "The Silver Chair" (which I suppose will never happen now), even though in the books the Green Witch is only a(n unexplained) relative of Jadis. She makes the most of her important cameo in film 2, too!
Tilda Swinton has fantastic presence on-screen and dominates every scene she's a part of. Sometimes being unsettling and unnerving can enhance the character more than anything else.
Fun fact, the professor has been to Narnia. His name is Digory, and his Uncle created a set of magic rings that facilitated travel to other universes. Digory then discovered Narnia and witnessed Aslan reform the land into the world we see in the film. Digory cut down an apple tree in Narnia and built a wardrobe, the same wardrobe that Lucy found.
It still amazes me how Narnia is one of my favorite series even with the heavy-handed religious allegories. I've never been a religious person or a fan of books like this, but for some reason, the series just really stuck with me.
side note: Prince Caspian sparked my love for Ben Barnes (and his highly underrated acting skills) so I don't care how different it is from the book, it will always be my favorite.
Because a good story is a good story.
I think Lewis had this theory that all great stories had some level of allegory in them anyway, and partook in the gospel story about Jesus on some level.
So I guess that he worked out someway to turn up the Jesus level but keeping it a good story
To be honest I think the air raid is to give context for people who don't know about the practice of sending the kids to the countryside.
When I saw the movie the first time (didn't read the books as a kid, we were more Tolkien people) I didn't know about it, but thanks to ahowing the raid I understood.
So I don't think it's supposed to be in the "because LotR did it" section, only the "what they added" one.
Exposition intended for American audiences; they figured most young American viewers wouldn't know much about WWII.
As an American, it was weird for me until it was explained. Like wtf!?! Just fight harder....? (I was in middle school)
It also makes the opening air attack in the final battle great. Which isn't in the book, but it makes so much sense put in the context of air raids. It is one of those moments that should have been in the book.
Not just for the American kids, almost every kid who saw this movie in the cinemas didnt knew anything about WW1 and 2, so very needed context
@@MiguelSanchezDelVillar Depends. In Germany we get ww1 and 2 shoves down our throats since 4th grade
Edmond was actually my favorite character in the book. As a middle child I understood what he was going through, we middle children tend to get less attention than older or younger children, so I saw his betrayal as a sign of him just craving the attention his younger and older siblings got more of.
He is the most popular character due to his flaws.
Big mood, didn't understand why I love Edmund so much until I read this. Complete middle child syndrome that I relate to too much
I love Edmund as a character. He's just a kid who made a mistake. A serious one, but he was very young. And he worked so hard to make up for it, and in the second movie you can see that he really grew up and he's so smart and loyal. I think that character development makes him even more lovable than Lucy, who was sweet from the start.
My lifelong love of cute, troubled antiheroes is thanks to Edmund ❤
Fun fact: Aslan means Lion in Turkish
Delightful (!)
Turkish delight.. Garnished with nuts??!!??
@Cartoon Judge! C.G. I have eaten Turkish delight in many countries. Each time made by people from Turkey. Nor once were there nuts. Guess I need to go to Turkey to try it. (If the borders ever open up again)
Fun fact 2: Narnia is a real place, in central Italy: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narni
James - thank you
3:41 It could be because, in the magician's nephew, it is revealed that the first two humans to live in Narnia were from 19th century England. So the story of father Christmas may have come from them. Though I have no idea how the actual father Christmas got into Narnia
Through the Wood Between the Worlds, as in The Magician’s Nephew, maybe ?
If you look at Santa Claus/Father Christmas as strictly a magical being, then you have a magical being with a magical sleigh, who lives in a magical version of the North Pole, which doesn't exist in our world. Using his magic, he's able to shift from his world into ours. Why shouldn't he have the same ability to enter other magical worlds?
Everything in the very beginning of Narnia was up to the belief of the people who were present. For starters, the coachman (I think it was) basically created Aslan by singing a hymn, so he could be called the TRUE creator of Narnia AND Aslan (and wouldn't you know it, sacrificing oneself for a traitor is a Thing in Christianity - this is the Deep Magic. It came from that psalm). At this point in Narnia's history where the world so readily responded to things that were in the minds of people and especially that coachman, I'm pretty sure that Aslan thought to make things like fauns and talking animals purely because they were part of this coachman's version of an idyllic new world in his imagination. It seems like the guy even knew some greek mythology, because something akin to the Garden of the Hesperides also figures. Father Christmas would have been another one of those things that popped into existence because the only people who were around for the first few years were very British salt-of-the-earth people who would've found Christmas important.
@@trishapellis are you implying the coachman is the emperor beyond the sea? (I think that’s Asians fathers name, don’t quote me)
@@allthebanter9316 I'm just deriving from The Magician's Nephew. When Digory and Polly are fleeing from the White Witch and Digory's uncle, they accidentally arrive in a world that has only just started coming into existence, along with the coachman. They end up on a barren planet, and the coachman starts singing a hymn. As far as I understood it, there was magic suffusing everything around them because the world was just that new, and the magic responded to the hymn and shaped some aspects of this new world according to ideas of Christianity.
So I think the coachman IS not the emperor beyond the sea - he CREATED the emperor beyond the sea (God), who is Aslan's (Jesus's) father. The coachman also dies eventually.
Then again, The Magician's Nephew was written before The Voyage of the Dawn Treader where the Emperor beyond the Sea is first mentioned. I'm not sure Lewis had thought this far ahead, because in The Magician's Nephew, the coachman starts singing the hymn, and then Aslan appears and continues singing, creating everything else in the world. So The Magician's Nephew would kind of imply, not only that Aslan is the creator or the world and the coachman is the creator of Aslan, but also that it was Jesus who created the world, and God either created only Jesus, or he just wasn't there at the time of creation.
I assume the idea was that the coachman's hymn also created the Emperor Beyond the Sea, as soon as Lewis started writing the Dawn Treader. Or maybe Lewis was just one of those who believed that Jesus and God were one and the same, and the Emperor Beyond the Sea is a decoy so people will leave Aslan alone.
To this day the image of a single lamppost in a snowy forest is one of the most evocative and beautiful ideas I can think of. I know it was what caught my interest about the books as a small child and I dare say I’m not the only one.
And to think, Lewis only put it in the story to intentionally annoy Tolkien, who hated anachronisms in fantasy and said a fantasy would never work if it had something like a lamppost in it.
In case anyone was wondering, the sequels to this have already been paid for my Patrons and will be coming at some point in the future. Also I didn't find as many good videos on LC Lewis and his book's connection to Christianity as I was expecting. If you know of any please feel free to tweet them at me.
Cool thanks
Sadly the only advice I could offer are books. When I did my research paper on him 18 years ago, that's all I used was books. It was interesting because C.S. kept flip flopping between being an Atheist and a Christian, which was due to who was influential in his life at the time or the circumstances. In the end he did stay a Christian.
I think that his books are fantasy enough that people who don't like the allegory generally ignore it. It's actually a very nice example of people allowing each other to like things and just not reading/watching something they know they won't like.
Wasn't there a play on broadway about his life? I'm sure there's clips of it somewhere on youtube. And I know there was a docudrama about a decade or so ago on him. Saw it on TV. Can't remember the titles though.
LC Lewis? (Not CS?) Also... you forgot one R in Tolkien's name... shame on you, your family and your cow ;-)
I really liked how they handled edmund in the movie. He is my favorite character by far, and the movie took time to show things from his perspective. In reality, peter probably didn't lash out on him as much as we see, but edmund probably felt that way. It makes him more of a kid, and less of a betrayer.
"You've got to respect that in a despot." Of course, Tilda Swinton only portrays Quality Despots(tm)
I wonder if the Netflix Narnia series will start with Magician's Nephew?
I hope so
They had better as it explains so many things, but I guess some people will prefer the mystery.
I'd like that. It was an interesting prequel to create Narnia.
@@marydickinson9366 he also published them out of order on purpose, in his notes the series was the magician's nephew, lion witch and the wardrobe, the horse and his boy, prince Caspian, the voyage of the dawn treader, the silver chair, and then the last battle. Hence why when you buy all the books at once via a boxset they are in this order as it is the correct order
@@ayajade6683 Lewis himself said that the order in which the books are read doesn't really matter that much. Lewis wrote each without a sequel in mind; when he wrote LWW, he wrote it as a stand-alone novel, and when he wrote PC as a sequel, he didn't expect that it would turn into a full 7-book series. So there isn't really a "correct" order. I own the books in publishing order, and I find it rather aggravating that I can't buy them like that anymore. Again, that's just my personal preference. There are lots of people who agree with me and lots of people who disagree with me, and there are scholars on both sides of the debate.
The sequels aren’t as faithful, but a truly faithful Dawn Treader wouldn’t work as a film, and a faithful Prince Caspian would’ve put the audience to sleep before it was a quarter of the way through. As for the films themselves, neither is truly bad, but Caspian loses too much of the whimsy, and Dawn Treader winds up feeling a bit more like a conventional fantasy tale than the rest of the series.
Oh, and as for Susan not being in Heaven at the end of the series, of course she wasn’t. She didn’t die.
Their just so much you can adapt from a book, but there also somethings from a book that won't work on film.
Magnus Prime Dawn Treader's my favorite. Dont get me wrong I see the problems and I'll be the first to say its the most flawed our of all of them but I thank part of the problem is they went from a big epic movie to another movie that they tried to make MORE epic than the first to a movie based of a book with an episodic plot.
My biggest issue with VoDT is the plots seem under devoped. Most people say they hate the mist and swords plot but it wasnt really focused on that much. I like small adveture character driven stories over big plot based battle stories
What bothered me about the Prince Caspian film is that they seemed more focused on casting a heartthrob, forgetting that (i believe) Caspian is supposed to be a child during that story and is only seen as an adult during the next story. So that kinda made the whole.... Caspian has a crush on Susan a hit creepy since he's far older than her. When he was a child in the book and the bbc version, it could be seen more as puppy love, which to me isn't as bad.
Melon Tart Susan is older in the films than she is in the books. In the books the memories of the Pevencie's arent consestent unlike in the film where they DO remember all 15 yrs of their rulership so Susan is effectivly 28 years old
@@addisondrake733 i mean physically. She tries to pass it off as her being hundreds of years old. But by today's standards, a man flirting with a girl who looks about 14 would not fly.
I replied this somewhere else, but it enrages me when I see Lucy being put in Hufflepuff, so:
Lucy - Griffindor (the most reckless of the siblings and she stayed true to her beliefs, also she is the Valient)
Susan - Slytherin (She is logical and quick thinking, and finds it hard to change her beliefs. She doesn't believe in something she doesn't have proof for)
Edmund - Ravenclaw (He chooses the smart course of action, even if it is sometimes hard or cruel, and he becomes Edmund the Just)
Peter - Hufflepuff (He's not fighting to win the war, he's fighting to keep his family safe and even if he lashes out, it's because he cares about them. There's a line in the second film that was cut out where he talks about wanting to be a doctor, if he survives and gets to go home. He's not a warrior)
In English I wrote an essay about the Hogwarts Houses of the Pevensies, with these same Sortings for roughly the same reasons. I always disagreed with the Peter: Gryffindor, Susan: Ravenclaw, Edmund: Slytherin and Lucy: Hufflepuff Sorting because to me it felt like that was based too much on who they were in LWW alone. All of them grew and changed throughout the books, and particularly in Edmund's case I thought it was unfair to Sort him based on his ten-year-old self when the person he was in Dawn Treader was almost entirely different.
Interesting analysis.
And now I just realized how much it makes sense, and how I share more with Peter than I do Lucy.
Caitlin Khong I understand your logic but hogwarts houses are chosen at eleven so it would be more accurate to judge them in LWW or at most Prince Caspian.
@@khaygiel i disagree mostly because as they would be sorted at 11, they probably should be judged by the first book. however i would only switch Edmund and Susan. they both were smart, but Edmund was known to be selfish and calculating, he'd lie or choose things that would benefit him. susan was more of a "Hermione" if you know what i mean. is it unfair to put Edmund in Slytherin? no, i don't think so, remember all the houses are neutral and all can have good people in them. clearly Edmund learned from his mistakes, but it doesn't make him less of a Slytherin. Peter is a total Hufflepuff tho
@@denied7616 ok you know what, valid point
9:55 TBF this is a setting where Santa actually exists, and distributes some pretty badass presents.
Thumbs up if you tried Turkish Delight because of this book and were immediately disgusted by its taste and confused as to how Edmund could've betrayed his siblings for that.
I have been to Turkey. I have eaten literal pounds of the stuff.
It comes in a shitload of different flavors.
And there are so many god damn pistachios crushed up a sprinkled on top.
I think I tried it once and thought it was good. Must've been a good flavor.
I like it a lot more now
My mom tried making the stuff. It was pretty good... for flavored candles
I would never betray my siblings for anything less than M&Ms
Now here's a franchise where ive seen the film and read the book 😄👌
Never read the books sadly. Wanted to but never got into them.
@@porcelainpup fucking hate the ending of the series
@@sarasamaletdin4574 Couldnt get into them as a child nor now. Tolkien and Anne Rice was addicting as a kid.
Edit: Was addicted to Inkheart trilogy too.
@@relaxinginwonderland62 If you're talking about the movies I only saw the first one. No idea how the book series end.
I know, right! Admittedly I only read The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe despite having the full book set of C.S. Lewis' series but at least I knew the plot before I saw the film.
Reading the part when Edmund was offered turkish delight as a kid was such a vivid experience to me. It was almost that I could taste the absolute addictiveness of the delicious candy and I could just imagine how amazing the candy must taste in real life. Imagine my disappointment, years later, when I actually tried it. I mean it's not bad, but...
Trying turkish delight for the first time was one of the greatest disapointments of my childhood
Yeah, but as a kid growing up in a time of rationing.
Tha's ture although at that time I hadn't even tasted it. -For me it was not a disappointment when I tasted it the first time. The one I tried was very good (but I have tasted different kinds of turkish delight that was nota s good).
Prince Caspian was okay, but Voyage of the Dawn Treader gets that "Percy Jackson treatment" we all clearly love.
...Though on a plus for Dawn Treader, Edmund gets to fight a Gyarados.
I think the reason you liked the first two movies better is because the third was made by a different studio
Dawn Treader was my favorite of the books and least favorite of the films and you’re right, but I think the structure of the story may have made it less easily adapted as well.
"Adaptation" of Dawn Treader was basically brand new generic fantasy McGuffin story.
Fox can never be trusted:
Eragon.
Percy Jackson
Narnia
The Giver...
As both a Cambridge grad and a vegan I... I’ve just proven your point haven’t I. Damn.
Katie Wakelin well I’m certainly not going to be bragging about how I’m studying at Oxford
@@count_bodies_like_sheep9296 I am niether at, or will be going to, Cambridge or Oxford uni (not through lack of trying) ... But I still loved this. 😂
Am I the only one who has no problem with the so-called bragging of attending the prestigious schools? The only problem I ever have is if an individual attending any of the prominent schools is a twit who would disrespect others, versus imparting their knowledge in a considerate manner and with permission.
I mean, yeah, show your pride for attending those schools, and how far you've gotten through them. Just don't be a dick, and share the knowledge and wisdom you've acquired IF requested by someone who's curious.
That picture of Jesus for half a frame made me laugh haha
Buddy holly Christ from Dogma the movie.
Well I bloody missed it!
I expected an I'm Jack's medulla oblongata to go with it
The 80's BBC version also had the centaur whose torso kept sliding off his horse body when he moved or shifted or breathed. And then he ran for a shot or two and it looked like he'd been sliced with a katana and was just keeping it balanced there...but he seemed really happy about it.
"If you don't have an opening battle......then there's no opening battle"
I don't think I should've laughed as much as I did there.
Exactly the same 😂
I don't know how many people know this but the wardrobe in the film aqtually have the entire story of The Magician's Nephew carved into it, a small nod to the audience about the professor having been to Narnia at it's birth!
Yes, he made that tree into a wardrobe when it was chopped down, but for whatever reason, it didn't always lead into Narnia. Wonder why?
@@strawberrysoulforever8336 It leads you when you are not expecting it.
Honestly something that bugged me was the non existent emotional ramifications growing up into well rounded adults then suddenly being transformed back into children with zero warning would cause the long term mental health of the characters but nope never bothers them again
Darth Star Killer actually its touched on briefly in the 2nd movie?
I believe in the books it was so that they didn't really remember their time in Narnia in much detail; that it all felt a bit dreamlike (which works around the issue, but bothered me because it's almost like the -its all the dream- trope.)
This just feels like a cynical way of looking at it. Its a children's story and a fairy tale. I know it sounds like I'm making excuses or that I'm saying that children's fantasy doesn't have to be good but that's really not it. Its just that it runs on its own fantastic logic, if your going to go speculating about the character's mental health issues that just shows you really don't "get" it. That kind of intensely analytical mindset just isn't right for a story like this.
When I read the books as a kid I thought this was great- they got to have a full-blown fantasy adventure but didn't have to miss out on their own childhoods back home. And that mindset- the mindset of a child- is the correct one when reading this kind of story.
Not really the right mindset for a fairy tale, as the in universe explanation could be that going back through the wardrobe muddled their memories so it felt more like a dream and avoided PTSD etc (which Lewis wouldn't have known about or understood). That said, a fanfic where this ISN'T the case, and Peter and Edmund end up having to deal with PTSD, finding meaning by obsessing over details of the war, and having nightmares about wars they fought in Narnia could be a very interesting read. These sorts of issues are hinted at in the Disney Prince Caspian, with Ed trying to sneak into the army and getting into a fistfight when he's jostled on the train platform, and its implied that he's had issues since they got back, but I'd love to see this gone into more.
Darth Star Killer I have read some Posts on pinterest that Peter still acted like a King even after they come back, I love the idea that even though they are child once again they are still mentally adults
Some of the “Plagiarism” was strait up just how they do battle scenes
Agreed. I'm not enough of a movie historian to be able to but I'm sure there's somebody out there who can point to multiple films which LoTR "plagiarized" for their battles shots.
I think that is like the History Buffs review of Tora, Tora, Tora' where he mentions that the historical mistakes in the movie were minor and he only mentions them because that's what his channel is about and not to criticize the movie.
If he doesn't mention the sameness of the added battle scenes, someone in the comments will and he had to mention that these scenes were added in comparison to the book, as this is what the channel is about.
This film is my childhood man. This made me fall in love with fantasy and that battle man, it's one of the greatest ever put to screen, and cinemasins had the audacity to say that it was generic.
Are you doing this review
FOR NARNIA!!!!
Lol
AND FOR ASLAN!!!!!
AND THE NORTH!
REDDDWALLL
wait wrong series
For Frodo!!!!!!!!
Can confirm sometimes during a knighting you would be smacked in the face with your sword. It was supposed to be so you'd never forget you're knightly vows.
gimzod76 unless they were hit so hard and got a concussion and forgot they were Knights.
And that this was supposed to be the last Smack you receive
Undeniably one of the best adaptations ever. I loved the book and loved that the movie didn’t change that much, or at least not so much that it was very noticeable.
"friends with J.R.R. Tolkien"
"it's a fairytale"
Tolkien had some pretty stiff opinions on the subject of 'fairytales'
Apparently he made a big deal about how him taking "fairy stories" VERY SERIOUSLY, and didn't like Disney much because they didn't take fairy stories "seriously" enough and made money off of them or whatever.
@@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770 I also hate Disney for its homogenisation and commodification of media. Not that media wasn't already commodities and homogenous but Disney has made it worse because of their effective monopoly.
Three things: 1.) Turkish delight is horrible. 2.) This video was very well executed and I enjoyed it. 3.) I'd pay good money for you to say breathy things into a microphone for several hours.
PushingUpRoses I bet the Dom would do an ASMR recording if you became a Patron and asked for it
I remember hearing about the Turkish delight actually being jelly, I think from the movie commentary? I used to watch those all the time.
I got confused as there is a dutch movie based on a dutch book called Turkish delight
Turkish Delight isn't that bad, but depends heavily on what flavor it is, IMHO. LIDL has a seasonal one with almonds in that's utterly delightful for instance, but I've also had rose flavored and that combo's just nasty.
It's very, very sweet, chewy and sticky, though. One of those typical 'love it or hate it' candies, so I get where its mixed rep comes from.
My favourite is actually the rose flavour one. Everything else is meh and because I'm allergic to nuts, I can't have the nutty ones. I spend a lot of time in Turkey.
Oh trust me, you’re not alone in the Susan issue. She gets completely and totally shafted.
Neil Gaiman discusses it best in his short story “The Problem of Susan”.
In all fairness, Susan didn't "die", so her being in heaven would have been...odd
Richard Lawson So? The point still stands. Why not Susan? How come she has to become the Sin of Eve character, or a vapid socialite?
Actually Lewis stated in a letter to a fan that Susan did actually go to heaven, it took her longer because she had to find her way back. And before you say that she didn't go to heaven because of make up and all, the point Lewis was trying to make and he had said it himself was not that she lost her way because of nylons and make up but how she turned her back on family because of material possessions, which happened to be make up.
Iyeh Mohammadi Cuz women be shoppin’, amiright fellas?
@@theoneandonlymichaelmccormick I don't get your point? And I'm not trying to be condescending, I really don't. Shopping isn't the only materialistic thing possible, there's money, social status, the house you own, etc etc. In Susan's case, clothes and make up were the material possessions she got into. Which, again, isn't a bad thing on its own but when it causes you to turn your back on your family and things you believed in (like Narnia, something that was such a huge chunk of her childhood), yeah. Moderation is good.
Prince Caspian was actually an enjoyable film IMO.
it was a meh adaptation for me, but as a film it's honestly probably my favorite out of the three.
I find the first Narnia movie to be pretty much perfect
Fox said, Wow the Lord of the Rings made a lot of $$$$$, what do we got.
Well there is this guy named C.S. Lewis.
Did he make Orcs, Trolls and a Witch King?
No, but he did have Minotaurs, a Snow Witch and a Jesus Lion.
Jesus Lion you say?
Some brilliant guy: We should get Liam Nielsen to be the Jesus lion. People would like that.
Fox: that is indeed brilliant, genius guy
Everyone liked that
The first two movies were made by Disney. Only the third one was made by Fox. Now, it’s all Disney haha I’m sure the sentiment was the same, though.
@@augierivera3290 gooble gobble one of us! Gooble gobble one of us!
It's a little sad that C.S Lewis died before he could finish Susan's story, as it's kind of sad that the story for her just ends with all of her family dying horribly in a train crash, and her being left alone.
Well, he kind of did. He made public some of the letters he wrote to fans, stating that Susan eventually did join her family in heaven. She just died of natural causes, after living a presumably long and happy life with a family of her own.
@@jennynoelle6782 I suppose so, it's just sad that he didn't get the chance to actually finish what he wanted to.
@@jennynoelle6782 I did hear somewhere that aslan said that susan would ultimately not be allowed into heaven cause she was more concerned with her life outside of narnia....which seems like a dick move. I get writing a story with christian themes but did c.s. lewis have to write in a moment that seems less out of his stuff and more out of a chick tract?
He actually left it very vague and I don't think he ever planned to expand on Susan's story even if he had lived longer. When a fan asked him about what became of Susan he said she 'could' find her way back to Narnia but he didn't say whether in his mind if she actually ever did/did not. Personally I think it's a terrible treatment of a beloved main character to throw them under the bus 'off screen' for the sake of a sledgehammer moral lesson, especially when it's not really made clear what Susan's 'crime' was, there's a thousand ways one can interpret what caring too much about 'nylons and lipstick' means for Susan's character.
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I might read it as Susan being too concerned with being 'grown up' - I might not properly remember, but I think that was a consistent theme with Susan's character, her being more concerned with being 'an adult.'
I remember our parents making us skip the battle part of the movie because they thought it was too violent. 😂
“You two are not allowed to fight because Women Do Not Fight“
Buddy my pal. My Fair Dude. You lived through TWO world wars. What do you think women did when the war rolled up to their towns?
Well, what you have to remember, is that Tolkien didn't say women COULDN'T fight, just that they SHOULDN'T. And was probably because of his living through both World Wars that he felt that way. I mean, he did fight in WW1, he almost definitely saw women fighting. And, being influenced by the gender norms of his time, he probably felt like protecting women was something of a societal obligation whenever possible.
And he was writing this fantasy world, where anything he wanted could happen. So, of course, he would create a world where the whimsy was strong enough that women wouldn't have to fight in the bloody wars he'd witnessed, where there may be fighting, but at least he could protect the women he may not have been able to in real life.
Lewis, not Tolkien, but otherwise yep, think it's a fair point - both authors were very heavily influenced by gender normative attitudes of their time. And honestly, the achievements & sacrifices of women in both world wars are still underplayed even NOW, so you can imagine how they were viewed in these guys' era!
Anna_ in_Aotearoa- Right. I can’t wait for the day when women fight alone on the front lines and the men stay at home working in the factories and tending to their households. Women First.😏
@@ravenzyblack I mean, when conscripting out of necessity because you need all hands on deck, why exclude 50% of your population? Leave the handicapped and weak and old ones at home to man the factories where they aren't gonna get killed, and have every able-bodied soul available to protect the country. Steve Rogers could have done very useful work in a factory (and put on some natural muscle after all) if he hadn't been under the illusion that doing the actual fighting on the actual front was the only useful thing anyone could do. Being the one who makes the bullets is important too.
I mean they weren't out in the armies on the front lines, so....? As long as somebody could cook the rations when they got home?
I somehow missed you talking about your throat troubles. I just thought you changed your style a bit and honestly I liked the change. Not that loud rants aren't fun to watch every now and then but to me those were not the main selling point. Your videos still have everything that I love about this channel.
tuschman168 , yah me too
I also missed the throat trouble mention and thought it was simply a style change, though in my case the similarity to ASMR was a bit of a turnoff. The stinger in this video actively creeped me out a bit. :P
Tolkien and Lewis were also both very good friends with a guy named Christopher Wiseman, who is the great great uncle of my best friend. That's completely irrelevant but I'm bringing it up.
That's kind of cool
Stop lying for clout asshole
@@jojo_n_dat7325 not everything you read online is a lie you humungus caveman, what would he gain with that? Wiseman is not even THAT famous, take your head out of ur ass dipshit
My friend's ant played the woman who got the pudding/cake thing dumped on her by dobby in the second Harry potter movie
Six degrees of separation I guess
"It's always winter."
"Oh, poo. Well, at least that's Christmas time!"
"No Christmas."
"Aw."
In the book Susan also gets a magical horn which ends up doing more than the bow. There are multiple time where her blowing the horn summons magical aid and it’s how they get back to Narnia in prince caspian. Also, I remember in the book her being more of a motherly presence to the others ex making them take the fur coats so they don’t get cold in the winter wonderland
One other thing they left out was the explanation of the Turkish Delight. In the book, the Turkish delight the Witch made was enchanted so that whoever ate it would want to eat it forever, so they would eat and eat and eat until they died. She used this enchantment and the promise of more to try and ensure that Edmund would return and bring his siblings. If I’m remembering it correctly that is. I read the book again 2 years ago. But I am pretty damn sure that was the deal with the Turkish Delight.
Emee Stacy if the movie was updated it would be Lays Potato chips because you know “You just can’t eat one” 😂
@@mysticloverfairy1 no that's pringles.
c'mon. jontron is never wrong.
Emee Stacy I’m kinda glad they omitted it, it makes his decision a bit more interesting when it’s free will and not a spell.
Makes his growth more believable
I do appreciate the allegory of basically providing drugs to a kid, but nowadays, that would not fly so I'm kinda glad that detail was omitted, even if it made Edmund seem very much like a brat who just wanted to be in charge.
I didn't really think it was a flaw on Peter's part that he didn't want his siblings to partake in the fighting. He's the oldest of them and probably feels a lot of responsibility for the safety of his younger siblings - especially because of the hell that they came from (London during WWII). That being said it also makes sense that the other children would be angry at him for trying to keep them out of the fighting.
At least the eagles in Narnia actually did something.
I didn't notice any eagles. They sure had a lot of gryphons, though--and they're PART eagle. The eagles in Tolkien did stuff too. They were air rescue and airborne support, much like plane and helicopters are.
@@DannyJane.Those Eagle's are also the "eyes" of the chief demigod of Middle Earth- partially a reason why they consent to helping Gandalf as much as they do.
...and, as I feel like I have to bring up every time this topic gets raised... 😜 Middle Earth eagles are big and intelligent, but they're no competition for the Fell-Beasts in either size or power! Until Sauron's power is broken and the Nazgul (Black Riders) and their awful flying steeds are eliminated by that, trying to send the Ring to Mordor re the flippantly-nicknamed "Middle Earth Eagle Taxi Service" would just have resulted in instant sliced-&-diced birdies.... 🙄
I really wish that when a studio touches the chronicles of Narnia, they go in with a plan to do the complete chronicles, rather than just the most popular book and see how it goes from there
The thing about these book adaptations is that the studios dont know if they'll be green-lit for a sequel. They just have to do their best, cross their fingers and hope they make enough money back.
@@avivastudios2311 agree with that assessment, but evne the most complete adaptation set, the BBC one, only runs to the silver throne because they did not capture the start of the story, and thus can't tell the apocalypse
I think there was a good reason for the opening battle, along with "Because LotR did it." When the book came out, no one would have wondered why the kids were suddenly going to a stranger's house in the country. Now, in a time when we have very bad history education, it may well have been needed to establish the historical context and the setting. So, I'm going to go with smart addition, in that case. (And later, they used the flying creatures in the battle in the same formations as the planes at the beginning, so allegory points?)
Omg I didn't notice that about the flying creatures! That's so crazy! :O
The opening air-raid provided the context that the original audience would have got just from the book saying the kids were evacuated to the Professor's house, but they also used it to establish their (interpretations of their) characters - particularly Peter and Edmund's relationship.
I'm not sold on the entire battle later in the movie, but I'm on board with them having started before the beginning of the book to provide more context.
I agree that it gave much needed context, and it's almost exactly the same as the opening in the sequel to Disney's Peter Pan
You could additionally argue that the film could have included a line or conversation to explain why the kids were going to stay in the house, and therefore just start as the book did with them arriving at the house, but I feel like showing the danger is good adapting, as this is a visual medium. Film should aim to show rather than tell, and a scene of the air raids in London was a good way of making the danger and motivation for leaving for the Professor's house in the safer country clear in a visual way. I don't even think there was much verbal explanation in the scene at the station - it's mostly just them saying goodbyes. The logic of why they're heading towards the country is clear without expository dialogue. The following contrast of the peaceful and more colorful countryside the reinforces the logic of going there because it's obviously safer, again conveyed visually. Depending on dialogue to contextualize why this was happening would have had less emotional impact, and possibly would have been clunky.
I mean in Britian it's general knowledge so it's weird for us but I realise why they added it.
"You've got to have an opening battle. If there's no opening battle... then there's no opening battle."
LOL
The annoying thing about Peter and Susan is that they DO get actual development...in other books. Peter is more in Prince Caspian, while Susan actually gets the most development in The Horse and His Boy (plus, you know, the one she doesn't appear in...). The Horse and His Boy is kind of a treasure trove of development for the Pevensies (particularly Susan and Lucy), but thus far none of the filmmakers seemed to ever consult it.
Can we just take a moment to appreciate the majesty and fabulousness of Tilda Swinton in this movie?? :D
20:20 I'm a re enactor and yes, that was how knighting was done in medieval times. I believe it was meant to represent the last time the man would take a blow he would not return.
It's been a year but I just wanted to show appreciation for this fun fact (if true)! :D
People are still knighted with swords, at least in the UK. They kneel in front of the Queen (or Prince Charles, these days, since she is In her 90s) and are knighted with the same sword that was used by George VI.
Yeah, Dawn Treader just got WEIRD as a sequel. Which is a real shame, I was looking forward to Silver Chair and Last Battle. :(
True, but the Dawn Treader wasn't the most interesting of the books. It came across as episodic, with no real threat or climax.
Still, I really wanted the other books to be adapted as well. I didn't grow up with the BBC version, so this was the the only adaptation of Narnia I had been exposed to. I was crushed to learn how close we came to getting more.
In a poll of fans, Dawn Treader (the book) was the most common favorite book, behind Wardrobe and The Silver Chair.
I chose Magician's Nephew as my favorite, but Dawn Treader was close behind. It was a proper adventure.
The one that scored the worst was Prince Caspian. People didn't feel like anything really happened in it.
Many also said that A Horse and His Boy was their least favorite as a kid, but that they'd grown to like it as an adult.
And we all pretty much agreed that they only work if you read them in publication order. I could get into why, but the simple answer is that Wardrobe is written like a first book, with the reader not knowing anything, and Magican's Nephew is written like a prequel, assuming you're already somewhat familiar and explaining things that were explicitly mysterious in Wardrobe.
That's not to say you can't go back and read them in chronological order. But we all agree that's not the best first time experience, and that the evidence that Lewis preferred that order is extremely weak--he just slightly agreed with a young kid in a letter once, possibly as part of being nice.
personally I hated silver chair and last battle. Silver chair just felt like a lot of b*tching and arguing, where as the religious symbolism over took the plot of Last Battle in such a way that the ending felt devoid of any kind of narrative conclusion. the movies I personally wanted to see were the Magician's nephew, and the Horse and his boy, which is my personal favorite of the series.
Yeah. Prince Caspian wasn't as close to the books as LW&W but it's partly remnant of the books and the first movie, Dawn Treated however...
(also I heard a story of someone calling that character useless for the entire movie and not questioning it lmao same)
@@jennynoelle6782 Dawn Treader is the best book in the series, it is an actual proper fantasy adventure story more so than any of the others.
God I adored this film when I was younger. I've not seen it in years and now I want to watch it again.
When I read this in 5th grade, I always imagined Turkish Delight was made out of actual turkey and never understood why the boy was so excited about it.
Am I the only one who thought that the Battle of Britain opening getting a callback in the final battle with Peter using the birds as ad-hoc carpet bombers was an awesome idea?
When the title card for the "because the Lord of the rings did it," I burst out laughing. This is great.
18:50 the food porn may be a reference to Classical literature like the Odyssey, where it was used originally to pad out oral accounts over a whole evening and create a more relaxed tone while people were dining
To continue the warfare analogy CS Lewis is like the atom bomb of urban fantasy whereas Tolkien is the atom bomb of epic fantasy in both respects nothing was ever the same again for those genres
Chase me girls! Chase me! Te he! Lmfao I'm dying.
Oh god I can't unhear that now XD
I have a prticular set of skills, I have acquired over a very long life. Skills that make me an adorable pet for kids like you.
Hey, don't knock the BBC version. The witch's performance in that is a true camp classic.
YAS and so are many of the others
The BBC version of Maurgrim terrified me when I was a kid
Is that the one where she screams at Edmund HOW DAAAAAAAAAAARE YOU COME ALONE????????
@@somestrangecircus5505 that's the one. she outdid Brian Blessed in some of her scenes :D
I though Tilda Swinton's icy cold performance more appropriate but found the BBC one HILARIOUS she reminded me my old English teacher.
We still need Prince Caspian Lost in Translation
Ask and u shall receive
I loved the Chronicles of Narnia as a child. Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe is one of the greatest fantasy stories ever written and a timeless classic.
27:38: In fairness, Caspian was very bare-bones to adapt in the first place, they pretty much had to add things or twist a few things around. And Dawn Treader's plot was a random-events plot better fit for a TV miniseries than film.
Caspian was a snore, and yeah, Dawn Treader needed a through-line and a compelling motivation.
The moment where Jesus popped briefly on the screen when you were talking about Aslan was just 👌.
Also: thank you for the ASMR. It got me giggling like an anime schoolgirl.💖
I remember one version that Aslan mentions that he wasn’t sure that the Deeper magic would have actually worked but was willing to try anyway
Sometimes I binge a few of these videos before re-reading something I wrote so that I hear my narration in Dom's voice.
Almost makes me feel like an actual writer :)