The Princess Diaries, Lost in Adaptation ~ The Dom
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Yes, Disney's 2001 smash hit The Princess Diaries WAS based on a book, written just a year before it's adaptation. Did they have anything in common? The Dom looks to find out.
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I read today that the reason they killed off the dad was because they wanted more screentime/influence/lines for Julie Andrews. The author's response was basically: Julie Andrews?? Yeah, kill him!
I came to comment the same thing
That sounds like Meg Cabot, she also did Avalon High, all her books EXCEPT princess diaries are guilty pleasures for me.
I do think its ironic though, in both films (now mind you, I have not read these books) that while her grandmother and her mom are both very strong influences in Mia's journey and her transformation from clumsy, shy teenager into a beautiful, strong Princess, it is her father who really inspired her to accept her crown. She was ready to run away from it all until she found his letter and it was only after hearing her father's wisdom that Mia accepted her role. And then in the second movie, she was told she has to get married in order to become Queen....there is a moment in the throne room where she looks up at her father's portrait before telling her grandmother that she is going to do whatever it takes to become Queen.
I hope she enjoyed the checks as she only got two movies out of her books.
Same hahaha 🤣
As someone who read the entire Princess Diaries series, I can say that I certainly see where you are coming from when you say Mia is a reductive stereotype, and the books have their fair share of shallow artifice. However, when I was 13 this book was amazingly relatable. When you're a young teenage girl you hate everything about your body and your life. Every social situation is a test of your self-worth. School dances, friend drama, crushes... The Princess Diaries really captured that with a humorous spin. Mia does eventually grow up and change but the whole series successfully captures what it is like to be that age. The books are not deep and thought-provoking, but they are valuable and relatable to young girls.
Doesn't mean they're great stories. That's like saying Bella is relateable in many ways. Just because it's nostalgia talking doesn't mean their good, nor bad. It just means you remembered them. I'm not saying your opinion is invalid. What I'm getting at is that teen drama isn't a good format. That's why everyone saids it needs to stay in high school, because it's nothing but bullshit statements on both ends of the argument.
AnimeKandy27 and don't forget the trashy romance novel Mia wrote!
I find these books relaxing. After I've finished reading a book based on someone's experiences duiring Rwandan genocide or Mao's cultural revolution, it's nice to read light books like this where main character has no real problems.
Eh, I disagree. I was a young teenage girl once and I HATED Mia. I disliked things about my life, yes, and my appearance, and I hated trying to figure out social things - but not to this extent. I was self-absorbed like all teenagers but never that bad...I didn't like her then and didn't like her now. I have no patience for books full of terrible characters, that's what real life is for.
Can I say I never related that much with Mia. She was just the poor, poor woman whose grandmother was the very concept of a toxic grandmother - but had the glamour "justification they're royals, so it's okay her grandmother dictates everything a nearly-adult girl must wear and do". Even as a teenager, I rage quit the books because even poor, middle-class me with the WORST notion of self-esteem knew the grandmother/granddaughter dynamic was horribly toxic. I just wanted to call the social security on the woman, even just it was just fiction. The movies kind of soften that ,because hey, it's the same woman who played Maria from Sound of Music and Mary Poppins!
Holes was a Disney book adaption that was surprisingly accurate to the book
NeilSonOfNorbert That's because Holes was made by Walden Media, and the movie was written by the same person who wrote the book.
I remember being impressed by the adaptation as a kid. You made me want to look up Holes on TV tropes, it's been ages since I thought about Holes.
the music bugged me, but it wasn't terrible
The only major difference I can remember is that Stanley was described as being very overweight at the start of the book and lost the weight due to the hard labour of hole digging, but the director didn't want to have to put a young actor through such rigorous physical changes, and since the weight wasn't integral to the plot, they just decided to go with a thinner Stanley from the beginning.
They also left out the part about the two different translations of the song but that's kind of a minor point.
The character of Mia Thermopolis does actually go to a therapist later on in the book series. So actually yeah, your right on that front. In the later books she grows up a lot becomes an adult with mature interests and concerns. Mia's ongoing feud with her grandmother is a central plot point in the series and it was utterly ridiculous that they changed everything around I'm cast Julie Andrews.
I think it's also the Anne Hathaway effect. She's one of my favourite actresses but whenever she's in an adaptation, the writers take the title, the very basic concept and then send the book into the stratosphere. Eg. Ella Enchanted, the Devil wears Prada, the Alice Books etc.
Believe me when I say that Anne Hathaway being in not Alice in Wonderland is the extreme least of that films issues.
Oh I know, if anything she's a tiny saving grace but it is odd the correlation between her and almost completely unfaithful adaptations.
Thats an interesting take which i sort of agree makes sense.
Shanster Goodheart I think Alice is excused purely because it's intended to be a sequel to the original story. I'm actually quite fond of the first Burton Alice in Wonderland but I'm in the minority there.
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She's 14 in the first book and it's always meant to give her room to grow and change. I do know that she struggles a lot with maturity for a number of books there. But she DOES change. And I think if Cabot had started with a fully mature girl at the beginning there would be nowhere to go- especially for the amount of books she ended up writing.
Frankly, from the description, it looks like Brienne of Tarth went to high school in modern California and had a crusty punk for a friend. Couldn't wait for the bit when she would skewer her fiance with her big-ass sword.
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One of my favourite things about the book is how much I learned from it! As somebody who WAS the target audience, I learned Algebra, French, how to use a dinner fork and a surprising amount of political science from these books.
Also, you’re exactly right about the character growth - I’ve read them all, and one of the most remarkable things is how Meg Cabot makes the character grow up (and how perfectly she gets the voice right in the romance novel ‘Mia wrote’).
Although she seems to have lost this voice by the latter books. The series died aftet book 10
This book was a huge part of my middle school years. Throughout the series Mia struggles with a highschool crush, growing up, family problems, royal responsibilities, a period in time in which she goes through a severe depression, getting rid of the monarchy/principality of Genovia, and becoming a decent adult. It's really best read as a series in which to experience.
Also I like how it subverted the "Makeover now she's popular thing" It actaully made her feel worse about herself for a time being
I think every makeover made her feel miserable. Except the one when she is depressed and cant feel a thing. I love books 8, 9 and 10 the best for that.
I always pictured book Grandmother as Izma...
aurielMoon that is... strangely accurate
Hahahahaha that's very true
Except Izma is still nicer.
Hahaha as soon as I heard his description of her I came here to say "Book grandmother looks like Yzma??" But you were three years ahead of me 😂
Scary beyond all reason?
Him calling the M&Ms on the keyboard Smarties was the best part of this vid
2:46 Well I now know the image that will be in my nightmares for a while.
Oh man that opening... I've been raging about the Artemis Fowl adaptation since I saw the trailer and this... this really helped me.
One of the few occasions where I liked the film more than the book
Sandra Oh’s portrayal of the suck up headmistress is great though😂😂😂😂😂
PLEASE tell me someone asked him to do the Hunchback of Notre Dame! I don't have any money to give him, but if I would that is definitely my dream review XDD And I don't care which one of the HUNDREDS of movies he uses. I mean, I would like the comparison to the Disney one, but they're so entirely different that I don't really know how he'd do it. And none of the other movies are perfectly accurate. The closest I've found is the 1986 animated film, but the animation is depressing, and the ending is still a happy one, not TOO dissimilar to Disney's version.
Rory Turing I've watched three versions of Hunchback of Notre dame and none of them where 100% faithful to the story especially the ending.
That book had me like this :-o for days. I couldn't believe how much Disney had changed it!
Problem is? The original book was over 1000 pages long, and the hunchback doesn't even get mentioned until halfway through the book. I would hate for Dom to have to suffer through that to make a video.
To be honest Lindsay Ellis kinda covered why the adaptations aren’t like the book and why it’s not really a major point to the book either
I feel like way too many writers reduce teenage girls into Cares Too Much About Boys and Is Insecure About Body. Look, I get it, puberty sucks and you're surrounded by other teenagers also experiencing it. At the same time, we do care about other things? We have hobbies??? I had 6 diaries growing up (ages 12 to 15) and I think I mentioned boys 3 times in all of them and I never talked about my body at all. Maybe this is just a matter of cultural difference though
I honesly thought the quality of your videos would decline after the Harry Potterathon, but you proved me wrong. You are one of the few UA-camrs I know that puts their heart and soul into their videos!
As a tween, I loved those books. I hold very fond memories of them. And that is why I will never read them again!
Please do v for vendetta or perks of being a wallflower
Sarah Walter perks of being a wallflower would be awesome :)
To people saying Mia did have a choice in the books: yes and no. I mean if you look at a real life royal family, let's say the royal family of England, you have one of the kids like Harry. Harry as a child didn't have a choice. When he reached adulthood, he was allowed to officially give up his titles and renounce everything, but he didn't have that choice until adulthood. Meaning Mia, until she's 18, also doesn't have that choice, and most of the books take place before her adulthood. And even then, by the time you're an adult, the public knows you, even if you renounce everything once you become an adult, in the eyes of the public, you will always be that royal figure, and now added on with judgement from some for renouncing your title. I mean Harry's wikipedia page still lists him as Prince Harry, despite the fact that he gave up this title, and in official protocol is now supposed to be referred to as Harry, Duke of Sussex. In a sense, yeah, Mia doesn't have a choice, even when she reaches adulthood because even if she renounces her title, she can never go back to being a normal person with a non-existent public perception and a normal life.
I'm watching this because I LOVE the movie way more than the book, and I was a teenager when I read it.
So I remember their being an interview with Meg Cabot where she talked about killing the dad off, essentially it was that Disney told her they wanted to beef up Grand-mere’s role and kill the father and give her a lot of his stuff and when she asked why they could possibly want that they told her they got a really awesome actress and they want to use her much more and make her kinder to Mia, and when she asked who they told her Julie Andrews and her response was essentially “in that case, of course you can kill him off!”
This was really enjoyable! I haven't read or seen this one, but I love the format of these videos! It's also great to see things roll along after the Harry Potter-athon.
Actually, the first movie is basically the first three books
They keep the first one's storyline mostly, but add some character development and relationship for the others since the first one is kind of incomplete
Good video! This is one of the very rare cases where I prefer the movie to the book.
Only now I realize that the science experiment the Dom made in the beginning was proven by Artemis Fowl
I tried reading the book one time and I could barely get through half of it. I was 13 so I was relatively the target audience for it, I just felt Mia complained so much in the book. I stopped reading it and went on to a different book
That introduction oh my lord I'm wheezing
I have to admit that i read some of the books in my childhood after i watched the films lol. Though i was at the right age for these books. So i loved them as a kid. I only read some of the sequels including the one that actually makes a breaking the fourth wall joke about the film and the changes it made lol. Yea Meg Cabot mustve had a swell time doing that lol.
Fun observation: if disney adapts a book, many reviews jump up with "unfaithfull adaptations" yet i have rarely seen the same scrutiny with their adaptations of grimm or anderson fairytale which are even farther from the source material.
I assume it has to do with the fact that hardly anyone knows the original fairytale or the fact that we all know that a 10 page fairytale needs to be changed if you want to have an hour long movie..
Welcome back what they added how you've been
I love the book series. Meg Cabot is one of my favorite YA writers. I wish they would do movies of her other popular series.
I can think of one Disney movie in which a 'father' figure survives to the end:
Friar Tuck in Disney's adaptation of Robin Hood.
(engages Rotten Tomatoes and Eggs shield)
Yeah, I think the more difficult thing would be finding Disney movies where BOTH parents are still alive. :P
I don't think there's more than a handful of them
Dragoncurse4 Tangled?
Tangled, Mulan, Peter Pan, Moana, Sleeping Beauty, Hercules, Brave, Finding Dory, Inside Out, Zootopia, and technically Pinocchio (since he only had one parent).
Yeah that's only a handful, spot on.
Do the Finding films count as Disney movies?
Yes, they are but then a curious fact of biology is that clown fish are known to change sex when environmental conditions require it so by the time Nemo was reunited with his father, she may well have been his mother.
i love this channel so much but not gonna like, the dom is quite pleasing to the eye xD
Another movie I didn't know was originally a book, I'm learning so much from you Dom
Nice review.
I hope one day you do a lost in adaptation of Lord of The Flies & it's movie adaption from the 90's.
I just realised that the villain woman who'd become the ruler instead of Mia, is the Nun from the conjuring 😆😆😆
One thing that was absolutely heartbreaking about Mockingjay as a whole, but especially with them splitting the movies into two parts-
This entire series was built around Katniss doing everything to protect those she loved, especially Prim. The catalyst of the series is literally Katniss volunteering to take Prim’s place in the games. Everything she does is rooted in her role as a caretaker and a survivor.
The ending of Mockingjay does two really important things-
1) it establishes the destruction and irredeemable damage of war. Everyone in the story becomes a worse version of themselves during the war, and their already fractured and traumatized minds are completely shattered as a result. War doesn’t make things better; it’s not even a necessary evil or last resort. It’s the game of a people who see life and humanity as toys and expendable game pieces.
2) the events of the entire trilogy (movie series) was completely and explicitly proven to be useless in terms of Katniss’ character & motivations. When you look back at it, every move Katniss made in the series was always going to result in the death of Prim and others she grows to love. If she didn’t volunteer, Prim would’ve absolutely died in the games, there’s no argument there. Obviously everything that did occur in the story resulted in the dismantling of a tyrannical empire, but at a cost too high to justify the means.
What makes it even worse, Katniss didn’t want to do the whole “hero” thing. She fr just wanted to survive & keep her family safe in the contexts of the world she’s living in. She actively despised being a figurehead of the revolution, because she knew that she was nothing but a teenage girl who had been forced through some of the worst horrors that nation had been privy to since the creation of the games. Katniss was deadass a 17 y/o girl getting forced in the middle of delusional geriatric tyrants. She was already in the thick of it before the reaping. Now? Now she’s just irreversibly physically & psychologically fcked, but is still having to move through life without actually gaining any resolution or aide in recovering even a slight amount from the trauma she’d experienced in the span of less than 4 years.
So yes, this is my 6 years too late rant about why Suzanne Collins singlehandedly formed a new course of pop culture and human history for generations to come. It’s crazy in retrospect, because now we can see so explicitly that we haven’t learned shit.
Really well said. My little girl self mostly had a guilty pleasure for the romance and glitz of this lol
Honestly I would classify Katniss Everdeen as Ace coded. While she is surprised by people thinking she looks pretty. She herself admires her look occasionally and doesn't really care if she has body hair. Only reason she does care is because it means that she'll have to suffer through more full body waxes as in the Capitol. Any hair that isn't on your head and eyebrows is gross.
She also realizes what Gale sees in her and what Peta sees in her. The thing simply is she doesn't feel sexual love for them. She feels the love of romance and friendship. She bemoans that Peta deserves better because he doesn't need to play pretend for the cameras in order to keep everyone alive.
Katniss does take some time to realize that people actually like her, but she's so closed off and curt. She doesn't think they like her as an individual.
The movie(s) was much better than the books. Mia whines constantly and the diary writing style is unrealistic, all could have been forgiven though if the writer would have planned the plot a little better in advance. I stopped reading when Mia randomly broke up with Michael because he leaving the state for a summer to build heart-surgery preforming robots (so he could be considered good enough by the royals to date Mia). The dialog and reasoning around this decision was some of the stupidest I have ever read, and honestly from that point on the story was a clear insult to teenage girls everywhere. Mia's father even expresses disbelief that Mia broke up with his for such a dumb reason- so I know Meg Cabot knew it was f*cking moronic as well.
He didn't leave for the summer, he left for 2 years. He literally moved to Japan indefinitely and they got back together when he got home. A totally fair reason for a breakup!
I loved all of Meg Cabot's other YA books though. Didn't touch the Princess Diaries cause they looked too young for me
The opening of this video was perfection
From what I hear, the stuff at the end wasn't invented by Disney, it was taken from the end of the third book.
Loving close to San Francisco, you DO NOT swim in the utterly freezing water unless you have a wetsuit or lots of grease. Watching them on the beach was horrifying. And you never see parties like they had, unless it’s a film trying to show rich kids. Usual sf beach parties are bonfires with lots of layered clothing.
Can’t believe I read all those books... I miss those days
Would love to see if that little experiment at the start would stand up with the adaptation of Holes.
So, this is one of those times when missing the point of the book was okay because what they came up with was better. The other example I can think of is another adaptation by Disney: Big Hero Six. I'd expand on that, but it's a bit off-topic.
This is my childhood favorite
You should do the E.D. Baker the Frog Princess and Disney's the Frog Princess. It deserves a 'in name only' clause but it's fun.
That intro was perfection lol
PLUS THE OUTRO OMG 😂
I actually heard that originally Mia's grandmother didn't have that many lines, but when Julie Andrews was interested in the part they asked the author if they could kill the father to give her a bigger part, and the author was more than on board with that change.
The main reason why I absolutely HATE that movie is that as growing up as a girl with curly hair and wearing glasses the make-over scene is basically just a fucking hate-crime.
As if my classmates hadn't been bullying me enough for being neurodiverse and not-believing-in-the-cisheteronormative-propaganda ALREADY.
Sooo many films and TV shows do (did? I don't see it as much nowadays) this trope and I hate it. It's just "Hey girls who have glasses/braces/"unattractive" hair/features! You can be pretty too, if only you change everything about yourself, and then your life will get better in every way!"
The joke in the opening was great!
Haha. I think we watched this movie for my 7th birthday party. My gram bought me the blue skirt and sweater Mia wore.
I would love to see the Dom tackle the Mary poppins books
I was just watching one of my favorite movies Howl's Moving Castle and thought that it would be perfect for an episode of lost in adaptation since it has a book of the same name but is a very long book so be aware of that hopefully the dom will see this or someone can show him please and thank you.
P.S. love your work I find it very funny and entertaining.
Lucie Henderson
He did, but he had to remove it.
the intro has me DEAD
It looks, and sounds, unbelievably soppy :shudder:.
Julia Andrews is the grandma we all want. She easily is preferable to the book version of Clarice
Blank Protagonist Syndrome strikes again.
Yep. Video games at the time also more often then not did that. This trend is mostly dying by now which I am okay with. I never liked the idea of projecting myself into a blank slate. I much prefer relating to an actual character.
"Blank slate" characters in videogames only work imo when the player is actually given significant agency over how the story unfolds, through dialogue trees and/or branching paths. Nothing ruins your immersion faster than a game that tries to be like "This is you!" only to railroad the player into things they'd never actually do or say. And since most books are non-interactive by nature, it's even harder to pull off then
After seeing this now I kinda want you to review Disney’s the Princess and the frog and the book it was loosely based on by E.D. Baker
I loved this movie, back in the day. I still prefer pre-makeover Mia to post-makeover. As someone who can't grow eyebrows, I would punch someone to have those giant caterpillar brows.
acegeek You can have mine, plucking and waxing is a nightmare.
Haha loved the beginning , "scientific experiment"
Why would you not want to be a princess or future queen? Yes, it is a lot of pressure, but you have a chance to make a real difference in the book.
*world.
“The bitchiest bitch of all bitch-dum” 🤣🤣🤣💀 Great line. Cheered me up
DAMN SON that intro had no chill
I actually liked the books, but for a rather strange reason. Being slightly autistic and generally weird, I had a very different experience of my teenage years from most other people. So these books, amongst others, showed me what "normal" people were thinking and caring about. As you mentioned, the author is quite good at making you feel the way her character does.
Has The Dom done or will ever do Twilight?
Cringing Leonodon He probably won't. Most critics don't like the movie or book series much.
Suha Sayeed he's read many books/seen many movies he's hated in the past, I was just wondering if he'd be up to that challenge lol
It's funny you mention that, since his Patreon goal to do either Twilight or 50 Shades was reached quite sometime ago, so... soon enough.
Tyler Bioshock R dear clod that'll kill him!
Cringing Leonodon
It will probably be Twilight, seeing how he would have to wait a while for 50 Shades to end, or hopefully they bomb and people give up.
19:10 just in case anyone wonders, that where 9 "nots" so he stuck with him not being the target audience. From a gramatical point of view
The second Die Hard movie was based on a book, just not one related to the first one
There is one exception to the adaptation rule and that is Holes
Anne Hathaway's feature film debut.
liked because of your pain while reading the book
I just started watching and the intro was hilarious XD
I think Mia looks way nicer pre-makeover, her hair is so nice...also, as a teenage girl, while the prompt of a girl finding out she’s a princess and having to figure that mess out is neat, as are a few of Mia’s film quirks, but pretty much everything else sounds absolutely brainless.
Oh, gosh, the Princess Diaries. I loved this series as kid, and owned at least eight of the books... major cringe when I look back it now.
Fun fact, the movies exist in the books. Mia goes off on a tangent about the inaccuracies of both films in one of the sequels (cue a thousand comments pointing this out).
are you going to do hitch hikers guide to the galaxy, book and either tv series and/or film
I have to agree with your "how fucking dare those monsters" sentiment. Though I think this book and its sequels would be better suited as a freeform series ala pretty little liars.
In the books, Mia broke up with Michael and returned the beloved necklace that he’d given her because he lost his virginity to another girl he dated before he dated Mia. She was upset because he didn’t tell her, and he defends himself by saying she didn’t ask. They later get back together and get it on, which Lars amicably turns a blind eye to. And that’s pretty much the books. Easily/rationally solvable issue becomes an issue, because of course it does, and then gets resolved, because yay. I loved these books as a younger girl because they were entertaining, but I didn’t necessarily admire or like Mia. They were just entertaining, well written books.
anyone else not able to get farther than three or so minutes and the video won't buffer any further
Paul Sayler {>~
This makes me want to read the books
"Lilly, the best friend, is toned down a bit for the film[...]"
Jesus Christ, that's horrifying.
yep. She's totally completely obnoxious and self righteous in the whole series.
Yeah, I hate her. Almost every single thing she does is the opposit to what a friend would do.
Oh god.......
Yup. I read the entire series and Lilly was genuinely horrible. She was selfish, self-righteous, mean... Actually, by the end of the series Mia had befriended Lana (the blonde, "mean girl") and she was a much better friend than Lilly ever was.
Maggie K Uh...what? Really? I‘m pretty sure I don‘t remember that from reading the series...maybe it’s been too long. I do remember her befriending some rich girl with a bodyguard that wasn‘t in the movie though...
Hathaway with curly hair looks like how I imagined Hermione to look like in the Harry Potter books.
Good video.
me too
Exactly. THIS is unmanaged bushy curly hair. I know, this was my hair until I learned about using the right products and avoiding brushes
@@fightingfaerie Avoiding brushes? Then how do you get rid of knots? (I'm genuinely curious, because my hair knots like crazy)
@@zzdaweirdo1120 Wide-tooth combs and lots of detangling spray. If you have curly hair, it is best to not touch it between showers. Detangle in the shower and do a detangle spray spritz and comb after the shower while its still wet to help it not curl into knots. Then try not to mess with it, and especially don't comb. Thats when it becomes frizzy and messy and you need to get it wet again to fix it.
@@fightingfaerie Mmnk, I will have to try that. Thanks. :)
he should add a new counter "people who knew there was a book"
***** well technically they are the same sicne you know knowing it was a book and not knowing it was a book is just whose side are you on...in this case i am on the side of did not know this was based on a book, or that there was a book series or that there were more then one movie in this series
Well yeah, even I couldn't believe Die Hard was a book originally.
I was the opposite actually, I read the books in middle school, about a year before I actually saw the movie
the movie is actually an adaptation of the first 3 books and mia definitely gets better as it goes on. towards the end of the series she ends up bringing democracy to genovia. mwg cabot actually wrote it at first as kind of a joke about how much of a brat she was as a kid and tried to sell it as a book for adults to read and just cringe but the princess thing was added at the suggestion of her publisher and they sold it as a teen novel. and yes mia does eventually go into therapy and they do discuss her dependence on the diary. it's kinda interesting how pretty much everything you mentioned eventually gets addressed in the books. they get meta and talk about the disney adaptation as a biopic that was made and how they made all these weird changes.
I really appreciate how heavily you emphasized that this wasn't for you, male reviewers all to often neglect to even mention that
TreClaire Why does it matter that much that he wasn't the target demographic? Just because something is written with a teenage girl in mind it doesn't excuse poor writing, the over use of tropes, or plot holes (I'm not saying the book had those things, though it definitely had the second, I'm just throwing them out as an example). Should standards be lowered for books targeted at teenage girls?
The target audience shouldn't matter. Good is good, bad is bad. Not that it wouldn't be nice to have a woman that likes girly things review this but reviewers tend to be male or not like girly things.
I don't think this is about "lowering your standards" at all. Scope of entertaintment is really vast, and just because two people like movies/books/music does not guarantee that they would like the same types or genres. There is just too much to choose from. I have loved and cherished the Princess Diaries book series as a teenager but have not read it since. Yet, I would still maintain that it was good literature based on my opinion then, even if I do not enjoy it now if I ever decide to pick up reading it again. My point is, a piece of entertainment could be definitely only relevant to a niche audience but that does not make it unworthy.
true but there are a lot of good horror movies out there but i would not discribe them as good because i dont like the genre. just because its good doesnt mean people wont have a problem with it.
+NeverlandHunter
The quality of a book is not purely objective - there are subjective elements, which can counterbalance or reinforce the more objective aspects. If a stereotypical teenage girl reviewed some literary classic and pointed out that it was full of dated and obscure vocabulary, that it neglected or minimised the role of the working classes in the smooth functioning of the upper class society the book focuses on, and that the entire plot rested on two characters never effectively communicating with each other until (almost) too late (though probably not phrasing her objections in quite those words), her objective criticisms would not invalidate the novel's classic status - she's not in the target audience (to be fair, the original target audiences for most classics are long dead) so she perceives the negatives more clearly and gives them more weight.
Put it another way: teenage girls have different standards, and a book can meet those without also meeting a literary critic's standards - and vice versa.
Also, there is a known phenomenon where a mainstream critic happens upon a work of genre fiction, and, because they are unfamiliar with the genre, their review ends up making that fact painfully clear to anyone who is - pointing out accepted tropes of the genre as unique flaws, and praising the originality of tired old genre cliches. If you want an example shibboleth from the science fiction genre, ask a critic or reviewer their opinion of the use of a sheet of paper and a pencil to explain hyperspace jumps or wormholes - in case you're not familiar with the genre, the standard explanation takes the paper and pencil, marks two dots some distance apart on the paper, points out that traveling from one to the other along the surface of the paper is a long way, but! - and here the paper is folded or bent so that the dots touch - by folding space through some higher dimension, the trip can be made (almost) nothing.
If you're not in the target audience, and you aren't familiar with the genre, then that matters - it means you're not qualified to comment on some of the most important/relevant aspects of the work (the ones that will/won't appeal successfully to that target audience) and you're not equipped to judge it in the context of its genre.
That's why it matters.
2:54 Ironically she does see a therapist in one of the later books!
The therapist was great
Actually, the suggestion of a diary to be kept by Mia is given to Mia's mother from a therapists' suggestion. Also they leave out and its not mentioned that Lilly and Michael's parents play a bigger role in the books as they are psycho analysts as well. I loved the Dr. Moscovitzs how they sometimes made things uncomfortable for their children and Mia when trying to analyze them.
@@rachelmills5774 Wait wasn't her name Amelia in the movie?
Yes in both the books and movies her name is Amelia Mignonette Thermopolis Renaldi. But she never really wants anyone to call her Amelia.
@@rachelmills5774 Oooh ok, thank you sm, I was really confused hahaha
I loved the books as a preteen girl and was very disappointed by the movies, especially the second one. Something I must say is that although I understand that you did not have the strengh to read all of the books, they really do get better and more serious, and the story is just generally much better when you view it as a whole. Mia's personality definitely improves as the series go on. She finds herself, the author allows her to be a bad person and make mistakes, so her character doesn't stay a Mary Sue all along. The bad cheerleader girl turns out to be not so bad after all, she grows as a person to the point that she and Mia actually become friends in the last few books. The issues with Lilly and her controlling nature are dealt with in a realistic way, the age gap with Michael and all the problems that come with it make major plotlines. And finally, yeah, that's right, Mia actually makes important decisions that affect the future of her country and family.
Also, something that you didn't mention but bothered the hell out of me is how they left out the fact that Mia and Michael were both huuuge nerds and how they bonded over that. Obviously, Michael didn't get to have much of a personality in the movie due to the limited screentime, but for the love of God, why did they change that little personality and information about his interests that we got completely for no reason? Let Michael be a nerdy boy who's really into science and sci-fi franchises goddamit. And then they made him disappear from the plot entirely in the second movie even though he and Mia supposedly just started dating at the end of the first one. He deserved better is all I'm saying.
Like it was so disappointing seeing the movie, after reading the book I love the book please do better this book deserves justice.
I’m probably being overly defensive because this book was my favorite when I was a tween and so I’m super nostalgic about it but Mia did have a personality in the book. She struggled with asserting herself but was aware of that and interested in self improvement ( she mentions Maslow’s hierarchy of needs and reflects on her attempts to achieve self actualization), she was interested in creative writing ( later in the series she publishes a fiction novel), she’s invested in animal rights( she only agrees to her father’s bribe when he tells her that he will donate the money to green peace ) and she cares about her friends ( she throws the ice cream at Lana to defend Tina). Mia definitely spends a TON of time talking about basic teenage girl things, but I don’t think she’s exactly a blank slate.
Would you ever do Stardust by Neil Gaiman?
Arthur Yates-Butler I scrolled down looking for someone who asked this. i totally agree, love the book, don't hate the movie but couldn't have been much different!
Yes please do Stardust!
Speaking of Diary books, perhaps a weird request but...could you maybe do a Lost in Adaptation on Diary of A Wimpy Kid?
Yes that would be a great one to do.
Oh god yes!! That was my childhood!
YAAAAS
Dew it!
this was a bit of a guilty pleasure for me as a kid lol
Same. I really liked Julie Andrews as the Queen.
Gola245 She played catwoman in the last nolan Batman movie.
Yes she did, and honestly I don't think it was deserved. She can sing very well, I'll give her that.
It's a nice flick, whoever cast the movie did a great job of getting actors with chemistry who gave the roles personality. It might be a bit of a generic feel good movie but I like it too. I read the books cause I liked the movie and the movie is definitely better. The books are kind of obnoxious (the characters are more exaggerated and annoying in the book)
Same - it was one of the first books I read in English, rather than the translation (I felt so smart... :') )
Not to mention, Genovia in the book was a principality, much like Monaco. There was no Queen; Clarisse was the Dowager Princess.
I remember reading the books after I saw the movie. Mia's obsession with Lifetime t.v. movies was hysterical, as well as her rants about why Anne of Green Gables and Our Town are awful. It was also funny to read Mia's constant bitching about being flat, when Movie Mia was very much not.
I personally always loved how in later books she talked about the movies and how much they got wrong about her life.
Yessss and she may have influenced how much I dislike Anne with an E. Ahahahahabab
I loved these books as a kid. I was unusually tall, from a single parent family, flat-cheated, frizzy haired, generally unnoticed and had only one friend. So I was so invested in all this stuff 😭 I even had an evil grandma who preferred to speak French. I thought these books were written for me. I don't think I'll try re-reading now though 😂
I think one reasons why Mia acts the way she does and puts her self down lot is because of the impact of her childhood because when she was little her dad wold have different model girlfriends. One we things that are not good it has it lowers our self-esteem if my dad was a Prince that had supermoe girlfriends andI would have low lowself soesteem as well
Holy shit is there a single movie I've watched that isn't an adaptation ?
lol probably not
DafuqImmaDoing "Star Wars"?
DafuqImmaDoing "Alien"?
Well played sir. Well played.
Indiana Jones, E.T, Ghostbusters, Lilo & Stitch, Kung Fu Panda, Everything from Pixar
0:29 Hey now, Holes was one of the most accurate adaptations I've seen. Author writing the screenplay and everything. It was Disney.
Huh, I was gonna ask about that, as I'd really enjoyed the movie and wondered how the book compared.
That's a good point. And Narnia wasn't exactly changed as much as, say, The Little Mermaid either.
Holes and Narnia were both prodiced by Walden Media.
Dustin Compton -- It's been a while since I read the book, but if I remember correctly, the only major difference is that the protag is heftier at the start. There's also a couple things that may not have been directly stated in the movie but are implied.
That apparently has a legal reason why they made the change. Shia was more than willing to gain weight and lose weight, but child labor laws prevented him from doing so as he was under 18 when they made the movie.
Ooh, now I gotta watch it. Never watched the movie, but I loved the book when I was in elementary school.
If I do the experiment, do I have to throw the book? Am I not allowed to use external help, like a sling or a catapult?
You can use a rocket ship it wont make a difference...
I don't think even Terence can think of a spell to make that thing fly closer to the movie.
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh-(continues for eternity)
Well Holes is an exception to that probably the only accurate Disney adaptation
Kyle Campbell huh, I'm sure the Dom will find something. I would love to see him discuss that one
I was just a tad disappointed to see just how infuriated you were at the book here. I've always had a soft spot for the book series, probably cause I read it at a very young age, and was always infinitely amused by the portrayal it gave of teenagers and their self-absorbed natures. I don't know whether this means anything to you or not, but Mia does get better as a character through the many, many installments in the series, maturing and getting over herself little bits at a time, just enough to remain engaging while not being as frustratingly irritating as she is in the first one.
There's even a scene in the very latest book (released many years after the main series ended), where a much older Mia goes through her old diaries and is appalled at how much of a narcissistic asshole she was as a teenager, even commenting on how much unnecessary angst she had over her underdeveloped breasts.
You need to do The Hunchback of Notre Dame compared to the disney version or Mary Poppins
Yes please to Mary Poppins
Yeah but... I read the book, it doesn't lend itself well to a film without a lot of changes. Its more episodic with no real overflowing narrative. And I can't get over Mary Poppin's being a bitch. I just can't, she wouldn't be endearing on film if she was like the book version. Well we got to start a new counter. The amount of times Julie Andrews softened a book role for the film version.
arent all the animals slightly scared of her in the books
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Yeah they are.
if he does do Mary Poppins he needs to include how Saving Mr Banks is a H U G E L I E Travers was so much more meaner and bitchyer