This will be something new to try on a noise permission I frequent. Great information as always, thanks for your time and effort. you put into this, much appreciated. We are all learning together.
I recently bought a Manti.......in fact it's so new I haven't even had the time to take it out yet. Watching your videos will be a BIG step up for me, thank you very much.
Great stuff Sid....thanks. I deffo will try this. I’ve not been using any ferrous lower limit at at all. Toddy from Detecting Scotland has always said hammered drop well down from that centre line at depth. 👍🏻
Nicely thought out Sid. Will give it a try on the weekend. Was thinking of doing something similar on the gold settings to drown out the iron without masking the nuggets. Thanks as always 🦘🦘😁👍
Excellent review young Sidney 👍I’d say the non ferrous was like a cork ,your explanation is spot on. Just waiting for your video out in the field now using this👍
Im out Wednesday on a celtic /roman field thats been detected so this will be a great test to see if these adjustments still pick out targets amongst the iron even after its had a group dig on…. Will be interesting
Experienced this myself recently on the beach. Really helped quieten things down and my trash bag was much smaller, in fact hardly any trash at all really… best find was a silver single ruby ring 👍🏼
Thanks for the, there has to be more, attitude. It is so nice to see someone having teachable moments. Unlike many others who just want a free metal detector. Thank you so much.
Im always trying to find out what, when and why with metal detecting and im loving getting to grips with the manti, its like pandoras box, keeps throwing up new things to get my head around but in the process gets better and better… amazing machine
I've been using this for a few months now. It does work and i only use this set up on the beach. I havent had as much junk and pulled more old silver coins than ever and im hitting the gold. I'm just glad SID realised it👍 and confirms it.
Hello Sid. Very interesting conclusion indeed. I have pre ordered my manticore from October and it came around middle of February so i must have a bit more time in it.i would like also to say that i started the hobby with that machine , i took a decision and i came through with it and even though i am a noob to the hobby and i have been detecting for a couple of months, i have already found a gold ring and a silver ring in the same field another detectorist had already searched with a quest q30 so i am quite happy about it . I like technology and computers a lot and i can understand them and that is why i took manticore as a first machine. It is a mini computer like a raspberry pi 4 embedded in a high powered underwater high sensitivity coil, the programmers can change everything if they want to you can be sure for that!! They could probably make it into a different detector with an update if they want to because the main technology behind it seems solid. First things first : the way you approach the learning curve in your videos is amazing. I dont often leave comments. About my observations over the machine and that maybe another point to look at. i have been searching with All ter High conductors , updated since the update came out, upper ferrous limits 6 and 3 under with the default ones. especially with the lower limits that in the start i had them totally open set in 0 in the fields of holland i dug so many signals that were amazingly big iron pieces such as horse shoes , good luck hopefully xD, and big iron pieces like a rusty sword. After i changed my lower limits to default 3 i lost a bit of separation and depth but i start digging less iron chunks.The thing is at default lower limits 3 its not a line that covers all ids some are still open all the way, and when you have something deep enough that it drops at the ids of the parts of the lower limits 3 that are totally open , and if it is indeed iron it will also show 100% of the time another signal at 99-98 id like a line from top to bottom and it will also show the id of the metal object so in a way i though the machine is telling us that even without any lower limits if it has a parallel signal like a line at 98-99 id it is a big iron piece. In the default lower limits 3 when you have an id and it has underneath some ferrous limits then the line effect takes effect as you brilliantly observed and made into a conclusion. Anyway let me know if you happen to see that parallel signal at the end of the id map when non lower ferrous limits exist .And i will certainly try to see how low can we go with a line in the hall id map of the ferrous limits so the "Trick" can take effect without loosing a lot of separation and depth or good targets lol and i ll tell you my findings.
Yeah its deffo something interesting that we all need to try and test, i believe between us all there will be a custom lower limit that unmasks good targets and still gives good depth without loosing too many if any desired targets… to be honest i probably wouldnt mind trading some tiny specs of targets that 99 out of 100 will be trash for a more stable and easier to distinguish search of targets… early days and obvs still gotta suss it out but worth sharing my findings and hopefully helping others
It amazes me that minelab produce these machines and seem to rely on people like Sid to sort the programs out to help. Shouldn't they have a teaching website to explain it all am I wrong
Only used the manticore once so don't feel I'm anywhere near used to it yet but I do see what you mean Sid and it makes sense so will be keeping my eye on this thread.
ive been playing with the cores settings for weeks and i only hunt beaches and parks the best i have found is disc everything except 4mm north and south of the line right the way accross i still get coins rings small ear rings at any depth and have a realy quite ride,signals at deep depths can be muddled but are still non ferrous.
I set up as you advised previously it was brilliant but probably me but I don’t seem to get real depth on small target on pasture but a larger target i almost popped up in Australia I was running 23 sensitivitie
love the way your messing with the settings, I too refuse to just run the standard modes. Ive had my manticore for about 2-1/2 weeks now and im all into the settings and seeing what it can do.
Just watch that lower left hand corner … I find the real deep low conductros drag down intro that area … not really even a proper trace, smeary broken dots… I certainly find that you can upper the middle section of the lower ferrious limits without too much damage…plenty of testing to be done, but that part of the fun 👍
Been watching your settings and have set them up on the custom settings. I think you said 8 down and 8 up , that seems to work really well now digging less crap .
Works a treat, now with them settings idmf you get a signal that repeats dig it... the only tricky ones to learn is the mixed targets with iron that come from upper limits, trust ya ears
Hey Sis, thanks for the Video, one question : what kind of sound-signal have these targets "sitting" on the lower limit line? iron sound or non ferrus?
So with this lad what other settings are you running with it, or can I just put my machine on change the lower to the quarter lower limits like in this vid or are you set in all terrain programmes etc .
Hi Sid, I am new to the Manticore and am very impressed how quick you are sussing it out. I cannot find out how to move the bottom level up da! Can you please help?
I know this is going to work… on first thoughts i believed the lower limits were best set at zero… but after discovering the non ferrous rise when limits are raised is a game changer…. Can now identify good targets if you concentrate on the cream on the top of the limits 🤟🤟🤟🤟
does it only do this Sid when you have the lower limit straight across .I found with the preset one a bubble on the top was iron ,i'll change next time to the way you have it set up . Thanks
Only just sussed it out so im not 100% what all the scenarios are.. but all across so far seems to work really well…. It probs not going to be 100% accurate as so many variables but… its deffo going to make it easier to identify a good target out all the previous tricky looking signals
Hi there sid so im at the point where carnt afford a manticore so im thinking about a 900 . I've used minelab all my life but the manticore seems to much of a head fuck. Id like your advice please 🙏
If your relying on a screen for targets , your already missing stuff !!! If its a positive signal dig it simples , the screen is irrelevant and NEVER to be relied on !
Sei troppo forte bel incervellamento ma ci vuole io faccio mare e lo tengo bianco poi ho i 2 colori rosso e nero con ricerca diving o profonda che va giu 55 cent daving sui 48 cent per il ferro ho il colore rosso e suono grave e molto molto basso 😎😎👌🏻👌🏻
Minelab are always big on saying their new product is better than anything their competitors have , you know " this machine makes all others obsolete " sort of nonsense so I'm surprised they didn't make this a huge selling point. Perhaps you're found something they overlooked 😮
you don't define what yu mean by "good targets". rusted out crap will show way down there but anything with clean metal will have center line involvment. interesting idea but remember that this is a machine that seperates within targets so why would it not classifiy individual objects properly. sounds more like your enquiry is being skewed by the general ground (iron) matrix and the nature of these signals themsleves.
Deep targets and some of the iffy signals that have been so hard to tell the difference between the lower ferrous now you can tell and this will enable you to dig 20-30% more non ferrous targets. Yes the easy good signals will fall on the centre line and be an obvious signal but the lower limits glitch is a great tool for seeing the good n bad…. If good/non ferrous itll stay sat on the top of limit line
So funny how much people mess arround with the settings, and still having no clue whats beneed there coil with the Manticore. 2D suck and Vdi giving zero information on the Manticore, Basicly a digg all machine so why bother 2D or VDI ???
Big news about nothing 🤔 I never had any iron coming from lower limits lol so far lower limit looks like advanced discrimination for low conductive iffy targets pulled down by mineralisation
Its not just to help with iron its the falsing etc etc it will tell you now when a deffo non ferrous signal… before ya moan give it a go bud im trying to help
@@englandshistory last time I was using it my machine was discriminating small buttons or misshaped objects so I strongly advice to not using at all in case of let’s say mingled gold hammy or something similar 😂
@@lukeboydetectingtresure1235 was it fully discriminating it or was it initially looking disced out but in reality was sat on the top of where the lower limits was set?
@@englandshistory was fully discriminated. At first I didn’t fully understand this bottle cap/iron rejection section so out of curiosity I started to dig them out. Only the bigger (less damaged) deeper buttons was sat on the edge of the lower pattern like your have described in your video.
This will be something new to try on a noise permission I frequent. Great information as always, thanks for your time and effort. you put into this, much appreciated. We are all learning together.
Thanks Sid, and a big thank you for giving me some of your valuable time today.
No problems matey, anytime
Great advice thanks.
I recently bought a Manti.......in fact it's so new I haven't even had the time to take it out yet. Watching your videos will be a BIG step up for me, thank you very much.
My pleasure buddy, your gonna love it once you get used to it
Awesome info, cant wait to try it. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for posting this! Makes me think of all the signals I have passed over because they were not on the center line. I will give it a try.
Dig every target
Got a Edward 111 quarter gold noble yesterday on your settings I’ll send you a look on messenger
Great stuff Sid....thanks. I deffo will try this. I’ve not been using any ferrous lower limit at at all. Toddy from Detecting Scotland has always said hammered drop well down from that centre line at depth. 👍🏻
Yes but the glitch is showing it drops so low because the lower limits are low..
Nicely thought out Sid. Will give it a try on the weekend. Was thinking of doing something similar on the gold settings to drown out the iron without masking the nuggets. Thanks as always 🦘🦘😁👍
Excellent review young Sidney 👍I’d say the non ferrous was like a cork ,your explanation is spot on.
Just waiting for your video out in the field now using this👍
Im out Wednesday on a celtic /roman field thats been detected so this will be a great test to see if these adjustments still pick out targets amongst the iron even after its had a group dig on…. Will be interesting
Awesome video Sid,thanks for the hard work!
Starting to get the manti sussed out 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 still early days but every time im out i learn something new
Thanks for sharing mate, great info👍
Experienced this myself recently on the beach. Really helped quieten things down and my trash bag was much smaller, in fact hardly any trash at all really… best find was a silver single ruby ring 👍🏼
Thanks for the, there has to be more, attitude. It is so nice to see someone having teachable moments. Unlike many others who just want a free metal detector. Thank you so much.
Im always trying to find out what, when and why with metal detecting and im loving getting to grips with the manti, its like pandoras box, keeps throwing up new things to get my head around but in the process gets better and better… amazing machine
@@englandshistory absolutely. Thanks again mate.
I've been using this for a few months now. It does work and i only use this set up on the beach. I havent had as much junk and pulled more old silver coins than ever and im hitting the gold. I'm just glad SID realised it👍 and confirms it.
Hello Sid. Very interesting conclusion indeed. I have pre ordered my manticore from October and it came around middle of February so i must have a bit more time in it.i would like also to say that i started the hobby with that machine , i took a decision and i came through with it and even though i am a noob to the hobby and i have been detecting for a couple of months, i have already found a gold ring and a silver ring in the same field another detectorist had already searched with a quest q30 so i am quite happy about it . I like technology and computers a lot and i can understand them and that is why i took manticore as a first machine. It is a mini computer like a raspberry pi 4 embedded in a high powered underwater high sensitivity coil, the programmers can change everything if they want to you can be sure for that!! They could probably make it into a different detector with an update if they want to because the main technology behind it seems solid. First things first : the way you approach the learning curve in your videos is amazing. I dont often leave comments. About my observations over the machine and that maybe another point to look at. i have been searching with All ter High conductors , updated since the update came out, upper ferrous limits 6 and 3 under with the default ones. especially with the lower limits that in the start i had them totally open set in 0 in the fields of holland i dug so many signals that were amazingly big iron pieces such as horse shoes , good luck hopefully xD, and big iron pieces like a rusty sword. After i changed my lower limits to default 3 i lost a bit of separation and depth but i start digging less iron chunks.The thing is at default lower limits 3 its not a line that covers all ids some are still open all the way, and when you have something deep enough that it drops at the ids of the parts of the lower limits 3 that are totally open , and if it is indeed iron it will also show 100% of the time another signal at 99-98 id like a line from top to bottom and it will also show the id of the metal object so in a way i though the machine is telling us that even without any lower limits if it has a parallel signal like a line at 98-99 id it is a big iron piece. In the default lower limits 3 when you have an id and it has underneath some ferrous limits then the line effect takes effect as you brilliantly observed and made into a conclusion. Anyway let me know if you happen to see that parallel signal at the end of the id map when non lower ferrous limits exist .And i will certainly try to see how low can we go with a line in the hall id map of the ferrous limits so the "Trick" can take effect without loosing a lot of separation and depth or good targets lol and i ll tell you my findings.
Yeah its deffo something interesting that we all need to try and test, i believe between us all there will be a custom lower limit that unmasks good targets and still gives good depth without loosing too many if any desired targets… to be honest i probably wouldnt mind trading some tiny specs of targets that 99 out of 100 will be trash for a more stable and easier to distinguish search of targets… early days and obvs still gotta suss it out but worth sharing my findings and hopefully helping others
Thanks for the info. I will try that. Game changer!
Thanks for sharing 😊
It amazes me that minelab produce these machines and seem to rely on people like Sid to sort the programs out to help. Shouldn't they have a teaching website to explain it all am I wrong
Wheres the fun in that 😂😂😂….
Only used the manticore once so don't feel I'm anywhere near used to it yet but I do see what you mean Sid and it makes sense so will be keeping my eye on this thread.
ive been playing with the cores settings for weeks and i only hunt beaches and parks the best i have found is disc everything except 4mm north and south of the line right the way accross i still get coins rings small ear rings at any depth and have a realy quite ride,signals at deep depths can be muddled but are still non ferrous.
Just keep an eye on the ones sat on that lower limit line
I set up as you advised previously it was brilliant but probably me but I don’t seem to get real depth on small target on pasture but a larger target i almost popped up in Australia I was running 23 sensitivitie
All about getting it dialed in to the field your on
love the way your messing with the settings, I too refuse to just run the standard modes. Ive had my manticore for about 2-1/2 weeks now and im all into the settings and seeing what it can do.
100% mate to get best performance for your fields you gotta adjust settings and change things up
thanks Sid, I was thinking about raising my lower limits a bit.
AMAZING cheers sid
Your love it murph as makes it more obvious what to dig
Just watch that lower left hand corner … I find the real deep low conductros drag down intro that area … not really even a proper trace, smeary broken dots… I certainly find that you can upper the middle section of the lower ferrious limits without too much damage…plenty of testing to be done, but that part of the fun 👍
Been watching your settings and have set them up on the custom settings. I think you said 8 down and 8 up , that seems to work really well now digging less crap .
Works a treat, now with them settings idmf you get a signal that repeats dig it... the only tricky ones to learn is the mixed targets with iron that come from upper limits, trust ya ears
Top tip sid 👍
can it get any better, iv been leaving signals on the lower side but above the shaded section, going to have to start digging them
I find that bottle caps also float to the top. I wish it was as easy to discriminate them as with my Legend.
I haven't noticed any come through yet
blooming note pad, you will have a blooming lab coat next 😁 great vid bud
Lmfao… easier to explain as im such an artist 👩🎨
Another cracking vid, makes perfect sense. So is it better to have lower limit set to 3/4??👍🏻
Nice one mate , reckon you on to something here , going to give it a go on Tuesday next week 🍀 , keep up the good work mate 👍🏻
nice one Sid
Well spotted Sid, thank you so much for sharing mate. 🫡 👏👏👏
Thanks
will be trying this tomorrow.
Helps loads bud 👍🏼👍🏼
Hey Sis, thanks for the Video, one question : what kind of sound-signal have these targets "sitting" on the lower limit line? iron sound or non ferrus?
So with this lad what other settings are you running with it, or can I just put my machine on change the lower to the quarter lower limits like in this vid or are you set in all terrain programmes etc .
Hi Sid, I am new to the Manticore and am very impressed how quick you are sussing it out. I cannot find out how to move the bottom level up da! Can you please help?
It's lower limits, go onto that and then use the edit button to adjust
So in a way it provides extra separation..?
Have you put this to the Minelab engineers Sid, be very interesting to see what they say of if they were even aware of it!
Ive tried to speak to minelab in past bug never had reply
I can see Toddy coming for ya !!
I know this is going to work… on first thoughts i believed the lower limits were best set at zero… but after discovering the non ferrous rise when limits are raised is a game changer…. Can now identify good targets if you concentrate on the cream on the top of the limits 🤟🤟🤟🤟
I think its great with fellow detectorists raising ideas and problem solving to learn the new machines… best way for us all to try master the manti
Whilst pissed about wi that screen , ive already dug several target with the DEUS II 😂😂😂
👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 🤣🤣🤣
does it only do this Sid when you have the lower limit straight across .I found with the preset one a bubble on the top was iron ,i'll change next time to the way you have it set up . Thanks
Only just sussed it out so im not 100% what all the scenarios are.. but all across so far seems to work really well…. It probs not going to be 100% accurate as so many variables but… its deffo going to make it easier to identify a good target out all the previous tricky looking signals
@@englandshistory yes I'll try some different things too ,thanks Sid
Hi there sid so im at the point where carnt afford a manticore so im thinking about a 900 .
I've used minelab all my life but the manticore seems to much of a head fuck. Id like your advice please 🙏
900 is a great detector bud
Hi Sid, I've purchased a ctx, looks like it works the same way, what are you thoughts.? Cheers Mark
Its similar yeah
If your relying on a screen for targets , your already missing stuff !!! If its a positive signal dig it simples , the screen is irrelevant and NEVER to be relied on !
I agree 100%, but this adjustment makes it way better and easier to use
Put this on thought I’d had one to many there was three of you lol
🤣🤣🤣
Does it affect depth ?
This is where more testing is needed to see what effects using lower limits has
Sei troppo forte bel incervellamento ma ci vuole io faccio mare e lo tengo bianco poi ho i 2 colori rosso e nero con ricerca diving o profonda che va giu 55 cent daving sui 48 cent per il ferro ho il colore rosso e suono grave e molto molto basso 😎😎👌🏻👌🏻
Qualcuno che traduce?
Minelab are always big on saying their new product is better than anything their competitors have , you know " this machine makes all others obsolete " sort of nonsense so I'm surprised they didn't make this a huge selling point. Perhaps you're found something they overlooked 😮
Its crazy that no ones mentioned this before… its deffo a great surprise feature for sure 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
you don't define what yu mean by "good targets". rusted out crap will show way down there but anything with clean metal will have center line involvment. interesting idea but remember that this is a machine that seperates within targets so why would it not classifiy individual objects properly. sounds more like your enquiry is being skewed by the general ground (iron) matrix and the nature of these signals themsleves.
Deep targets and some of the iffy signals that have been so hard to tell the difference between the lower ferrous now you can tell and this will enable you to dig 20-30% more non ferrous targets.
Yes the easy good signals will fall on the centre line and be an obvious signal but the lower limits glitch is a great tool for seeing the good n bad…. If good/non ferrous itll stay sat on the top of limit line
@@englandshistory certainly interesting and worth some testing. whenever one of these glitches is found yu gotta wonder how may you have passed up!
@@cliveclynick4667 i have deffo previously been leaving good targets… hopefully no more
Sounds like it needs a firmware update, should not be doing this.
I wouldnt update it as this is a god sent… it works great now ive sussed the way its interpreting the signals ferrous n non ferrous 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
So funny how much people mess arround with the settings, and still having no clue whats beneed there coil with the Manticore. 2D suck and Vdi giving zero information on the Manticore, Basicly a digg all machine so why bother 2D or VDI ???
Thats why this is so helpful what ive found out, if you use a manticore youd know 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Big news about nothing 🤔 I never had any iron coming from lower limits lol so far lower limit looks like advanced discrimination for low conductive iffy targets pulled down by mineralisation
Its not just to help with iron its the falsing etc etc it will tell you now when a deffo non ferrous signal… before ya moan give it a go bud im trying to help
@@englandshistory last time I was using it my machine was discriminating small buttons or misshaped objects so I strongly advice to not using at all in case of let’s say mingled gold hammy or something similar 😂
@@lukeboydetectingtresure1235 was it fully discriminating it or was it initially looking disced out but in reality was sat on the top of where the lower limits was set?
@@englandshistory was fully discriminated. At first I didn’t fully understand this bottle cap/iron rejection section so out of curiosity I started to dig them out. Only the bigger (less damaged) deeper buttons was sat on the edge of the lower pattern like your have described in your video.