Qwiizlab USB Dock Final Review
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- Опубліковано 19 січ 2022
- if you want this style of usb hub for your mac well this is the only one that offers being able to be powered so run from all the others like it other wsie you will blow your usb bus on your mac many people have already learned the hardway what happens when you use a hub that does not have external power so please listen to this video and you will keep you computer and other devices also safe and working
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So glad I saw you’re video. Never thought about the power draw from the hub. We haven’t bought the Mac mini yet but when we do I will certainly buy the qwiizlab and I will power it separately. Thanks
You are so welcome!
Thank you for your thorough review on this dock. Made me realize that most people who reviewed this and similar docks, have not idea what they are talking about...or are being paid for the review. I think I'm better off selling my base model 8gb/256gb Mac Mini and waiting to see what comes out next. Even though this seems to be the best dock, it is still too much of a compromise.
a newer Mac is not going to stop the need for a powered dock if you want to use more then the ports you have you need a powered dock how eve the 8x256 Macs are a joke to say the least , you really need a min of 16 gigs of ram as well as noting less then a 500 gig hard rive /ssd but a powered dock is still needed how ever this still in no way alllows you to fill up every port at once you still need to watch what you plug in but you should have for this dock at least a 5 amp power supply to power it properly I have sense this review order in a 5amp power supply for it as iam finding the 3amp is a bit tight on power
@@KevinMillard68 16g/1TB for sure, if I get another one. But I may just go back to a PC. My buddy as an HP Elitedesk Mini that is smaller than a Mac Mini, has 32gb of RAM, (2) 1TB NVME drives and a 2TB Sata SSD...Not as powerful as the Mac Mini, but I'm still jealous. Really, the only reason I wanted a dock, was for more reliable storage and my friend mocks me with 4TB of SSD storage, inside his tiny PC. lol.
Thank you for this review. It “REALLY” helped with my decision.
your welcome
Thank you for pointing out the importance of adding a power supply to the hub. However, I don’t understand the discussion about selecting a high-power (>15w) supply. If you look closely at the Amazon rear photo of the hub, you can see ‘5v Power’ stenciled above the power supply port. And in the Customer Question and Answers on the second page: {Question:Is it possible to have two docks? Answer:Yes, it is. But you need to make sure each dock gets enough external power supply through the USB-C port on the rear of the dock. The port is with silk print as "5V Power"}. USB-C has a power limit of 5 volts at 3 amps, 15 watts. Given the answer it appears the maximum power delivery to port B is 15w (5v 3a). Possibly the port is USB PD which could accept up to 100 watts, 20 volts 5 amps. That question needs to be asked of the vendor before adding a high wattage power supply.
your welcome
Wow, just learnt a lot about unpowered hubs thank you! That raises a question for me, if I run a second monitor for my M1 Mac mini and I use the thunderbolt port at the back and a USB C to HDMI cable am I a liable to damage the port on the Mac mini running a monitor through it? Thank you!
what i can tell you is the M1s is this the M1 and M2 MacBooks natively support just one monitor, the M1 Mac Mini does natively support up to two external monitors-one via the HDMI port and a second via USB-C. But the M1 models of the MacBook Air and MacBook Pro support only one external display.
You mentioned using a separate usb c charger….iPad, MacBook, etc…to provide power to the dock vice drawing power from the Mac Mini. Is there one you recommend or what specific tech specs should I look for when purchasing one? My old iMac 27” just doesn’t cut it anymore and will be buying either a Mac Mini or Mac Studio. Great info before I purchase my system. Thank you
you will need a min of 3amp or best is a 5 amp apple carries a 5amp 140 watt addapter that would work the best amazon only carries 3amp units
Basically we wish they would release a Thunderbolt dock with this form factor!! I am shocked that even today there isn't one available.
ya i hear ya a thunderbolt dock would help tones for sure expoecially for the nvme drives even pcie 3 drives are faster then usb c can deal with properly...
There are TB docks with this form factor, but they START at $280 and go up from there. No thanks, especially when the Qwiizlab and similar can regularly be had for $60-70. I just don’t do enough with large files to justify that.
That’s right. OWC has their Ministack STX hub that is pricier but very robust and powered. Yet is does NOT have an SD card slot!! Otherwise it would be perfect.
Hagibis MC25 Pro I believe does have a power hub. Qwiizlink internals I read were Hagibis parts.
cool thanks for the info
Great video. Wish I had watched it before I got the Satachie drive all the ‘experts’ recommended. What a piece of crap. Using the internal drive they recommended I couldn’t keep it running, it would appear and then disconnect. Luckily I was able to send it back before it damaged my Mac mini. Keep up the good work.
thank you for your comment and I will always do my best to give everyone the best and proper info have a good one man
Thank you for doing this very informative video on these hubs, i'm getting the pro version and was curious about what power supply to have. Could you recommend some 2.5 1TB sata drives that use less than 1 amp of current? That info is hard to find on the web.
kingston drives tend to use around 1amp tops tho they do run on less they seem to be more stable the the wd drives that use 1.6 amps , so i would lean toward kingston for the drive for the large stata bay and for m.2 nvme drives for the other slot i was using a western digitial for that one and tho these drive use more then 2amps internal on a computer mother board you can get at least 1amp to them in the dock , how ever the external powersupply i was using was a type c to type c generic apple 3amp power supply the best power supply would be the real apple 146watt powersupply to optimal power for the hub you still will not be able to use all the ports all at once but you can at least use a few at a time plus the 2 drive bays and be ok with 4amps .
@@KevinMillard68 Thank you for that info
AWESOME video!! The first video I've seen that gave the "real" lowdown on the need to power hub. 👍 BTW I have a 1 port type-C 5V/3A power charger. I would have to get another C-to-C cable, but would this be sufficient power?
it wil as long as your not trying yo use all the ports at once i have 2 ssd drves in this thing 1 ssd and 1 nvme and i can use the card reader for example and one of the other ports at the same time with external usb sticks or ssd or hhd drive and no problem and iam only usuing a 3 amp power supply my self .
@@KevinMillard68 Thanks!!!
What port are you using for the power brick to it? The USB-C one? If so, how is it connected to the Mini?
Thanks for that, I hadn’t considered the need for a power supply for it.
there are 2 usb c ports on this one is for direct connect of a power supply the other is for direct to the mac thye are labled so you cant screw that up
I'd already decided on and bought the Qwiizlab UH25 Max. Eagerly awaiting delivery of my Mac Mini M2 Pro 32GB 512GB in two weeks. Your video confirmed my decision, but your information on the power was most informative. I'm looking to get an iXtra 96W USB C Charger from Amazon. Am I right that I use the right USB-C port on the rear of the Qwiizlab to supply power? The ports have "Computer Host 1" and "Computer Host 2". Or doesn't it matter? Thank you.
the hub is clearly labled with where you plug in the type c power supply and the other cable goes to your mini and yes it makes a difference
@@KevinMillard68 Thank you, but sorry, it is not clearly labeled. Just the Host 1 and Host 2. I will go with Host 2. Mine has the "Max" designation, and I now believe is a different model to your review.
Wow, my head is spinning with all this stuff. I have a Mac mini M2 Pro on order. I know nothing about these sorts of hubs. So I have some very specific questions. If I got the Qwiizlab, I would like to put in the maximum amount of storage in the hub, which I understand is 8TB. What types of the large and small ("stick-looking") drives would you specifically recommend? (All of questions involve both make and model.) What specific brand and type of charger would you recommend? The wire for the charger looks rather short. What kind of charging wire could I get which is much longer than the one they provide. I currently have 6 external drives hooked up to my iMac. How would I hook them all up to the Mac mini (obviously I can't connect all of those to the Qwizzlab) ?
considering the speeed limits of USB bus i would not buy a super fast drive because you wont see more then 800mps tops, as for power suopply just get your self and type c power supply that has at leave 3 to 5 amps i would go for 5amps my self the only one i know of its apples 140 i think it is or 146 watt power suply that would be the best choice. also keep in mind when you go larger is storage the drives want more and more amps of power voltage will be fine no matter way but amps is part of watts match in general so also be carfull to choose wisely on this area as well. if yoi go beyond 2tb storage then at that point i woiuld go for an external powered thunderbolt drive i have videos on this subject as well on ssd drives
I don't like the fact that, unlike the Satachi, the Mac mini can slide around on top of the hub. Is it possible to use some removable double-sided tape to keep that from happening?
yes you can use valcro or get your self some stick on rubber feet
Great info, once again! Time well spent. Thank you. Any comment about using this for an iPad Pro M1? Cheers.
cant help you on that one for my ipads i just the dongles i need for what i need to hookup extenaly i cant see it being a problem but considering how liminet of amps are commingout of the iads id still make sure you have the hub on seperate power source either way some usb sticks wont even mount on the ipad because they draw to much power/amps that i do know from some experimenting i have done in the last while ...
@@KevinMillard68 Thank you for the reply. I was thinking of picking up the qwiizlab you mentioned in this review for my m1 iPad Pro. Would it work okay for that do you think? - I like the form factor, it’s powered, has the ports I need and I can add in a drive. Thanks for making this subject a little less confusing. Cheers.
Hello, can i ask your opinion after almost 1 year of use? Did you plug this hub to this 5amp charger?
i still have not been able to get my self the 5amp charger so iam still using the 3amp one and the dock is still doing just fine
Has anyone else experienced a significant loss in wifi speed with the quiizlab connected? If so what did you do to remedy the situation
there is no relation to the hub to wifi or to eithernet check with your service provider perhaps they have some problems
Really enjoyed your review however the review on the charger you found are terrible. Any other charger you recommend? Looking for a 65+watt 4 or 5 amp. Can’t believe this is so hard to find.
apple has the ideal charger its over 100 watts so will be perfect i just gota save somne money for it
@@KevinMillard68 what about using a usb power pod adapter and only use it for 1 port to charge the QUAZIILAB???
Great review, can you recommend a power supply for use with this hub ?
96 watt type C 140 watt would be best but i did use a 96 watt with it and it worked fine i would have gont to the 140 watt but could not afford it at the time and dont try filling all the ports all at once at any time
I just bought this and installed it, but the 2.5" SATA drive keeps disconnecting for no apparent reason. Could it be a power supply issue? I'm using a 10W USB power adapter. I'm planning on using this drive as my main drive, but that's not gonna happen if I can't get it to stop dropping the connection.
you have a. weak power adapter you need 60 watts to 140 watts 140 watt would work the best also even at that watch how much stuff you plug in at once you still have limits either way you can not fill up everything all at once
Hey you did a good job, I just bought a qwiizlab usb c hub. I ordered a 65 watt sands plus 1b, name 2tb. what cable should I buy. thank you Paul Anderson
did the power supply not come with a cable mine did how ever you need a cable that can handel upto 5amps type c to type c
thank you, for your work
My pleasure!
interesting review on that particular hub... which is connected via USB as i understand!! there is another Hub of interest which is the Satechi hub, which is connected via the USB-C port on the rear of the m1 Mac mini, which i gather would provide more amperage than the Hub you have reviewed.. and Satechi have warned of using the front USB-C port for charging... for the very reason you point out in your video!! It is a interesting consideration to know the Transfer speeds upon the ports being shared!!
And like you, i deal with midi controllers keyboards etc and needed to find a method of expanding the amount of ports..on the M1 mac mini
and currently the method and hardware im gravitating toward would have me purchase Satechi usb-c stand hub and using x2 mbeat 7port powered hubs duck taped or velcro'd to the sides of the Satechis usb-c hub(facing up) to provide 14 extra usb slots..one of the 7port Mbeats attached via usbs off the Satechi and the other 7port attached to the back USB portsThis will effectively give you 14USB ports + 2 spare USB ports on the satechi + 1 back usb + 2 free USB-C ports + one free m.2 slot on the Satechi hub.
Admittedly the m1 Mac mini will look like a Frankenstein... but who cares!! very useful for a Music production setup where USB's are needed for midi gear/midi-controllers/SSD-sample library's and audio-interfaces etc etc
i se this hub for my 2 internatl drives and i use the odd port on the front just for a usb stock or other ssd drive or camera card here and there this is a hub that also uses external power this way you dont drain off your mac and blow the port out . i have 3amps of juice all together and its still not enough i need a 5amp power source to be 100 % stable for the drives alone but htey work so cant complain, i have a second powered all usb A hub that has switches so i turn in what i need when i need it for things like my mic and printer and i use it for charging my usb headphones as it can handel that as long as nothing else is on the A ports on the mac put out 500 mah and the typec/thunderbolt ports only put out 900 mah so you need a powered hub in most cases expecially when you need to plug in severl things at once PCs are the same for there ports and amp out put per tyope A C and thunder bolt if you have a PC with thunderbolt . i stayed away from the satechi hubs because the ones at least that i saw non of them offered a seperate powersource connection so its non powered hubs i advise to stay clear of unless you want problems to happen
@@KevinMillard68 i hear ya!!
i actually have the Satechi Hub enroute to me as i type... that said, i will bear in mind the power usage and draw of devices.
I will be pairing one USB A port from the Satechi hub to plug my Mbeat 7port powered usb hub... which in theory should mitigate the power draw from the Satechi hub itself.
but hey... ill keep an eye on the workings of the stability&transfer speeds as you have pointed out in the video!!
God bless!!
At 12:16, you emphasize that it is measuring in megabits per second, not megabytes. The symbol used is a capital "B" which I have understood as representing "bytes." Did they just put the wrong symbol on Blackmagic's screen?
no the symbol is not wrong its just how some places do things but it is megabits so many people have gotten this worng so on many of my videos i do my best to correct people as trying ot correct people on their channels well they dont listen they are just kids and dont understand what this stuff is ,, swap space is a new term from apple but it still means virtual memory to microsoft and in realaity it is apple just gave it a new name for some reason but its the same thing in this case but how others explane how it works is totally wrong again i have to correct people all the time
@@KevinMillard68 thanks for the reply. Yeah, unnecessary confusion. Appreciate your efforts at accuracy.
Can you plug the USB A cable to a 12w charging block for power?
sure but 12 watts wont do a darn thing for you
My hub is in transit and I have a question regarding external power supply.
I have a Samsung CF791 34’ monitor with Thunderbolt 3. This has 2 Thunderbolt 3 ports each delivering 15w and 85w with the latter meeting PD 3 standards. There is no information anywhere around current but my guess is that it’s enough to power the hub. Any thoughts/advice?
only use an auctual 3 to 5 amp power supply to power the hub 5 amp is best tho so that all your ports will have enough power thep orts on this hub are not thunderbolt tho they are only type C only
@@KevinMillard68 thx. These are USB c as well.
@@KevinMillard68 "auctual" ???
thanks for the review! could you confirm that just 2TB drives are function properly? what happend to an 8TB sata ssd? will it be recognized?
cant help you on that one a 3rd party webcam i had hooked into the hub had died and took out the hub with it and and the price increase to replace the hub is stupid nuts so i wont be getting another one
What was your answer for the 5 amp power source?
Apple has a 140 watt charger you can get that will be more then fine its hard to find 5amp chargers for USB
So if you get a non powered hub W?O internal drives that won't mess up the USB-c that you would connect to it?
any unpowered hub can blow your usb bus
@@KevinMillard68 Then I'll either get a 4 amp power charger for the Quiizlab hub. Or I'll stay with what I have now.
His comments are too generalised and he lacks full knowledge of the subject to be able to give you advice. UA-cam is full of these people. I am an electrical engineer nothing is as black and white as he makes out in fact this video is littered with mistakes and inacuracies.
@@mikepxg6406 Thanks for the correction!
@@mikepxg6406 This is exactly why I don’t fully trust UA-cam reviewers. I personally know people who have been running these unpowered hubs for several years on their Mac Minis without any issues whatsoever. IMO, it seems the use of a power supply is purely dependent on how many devices will be plugged into the hub and used at the same time. For the general public, I don’t believe every port will be filled all the time.
Have you tested any thunderbolt ports at all. Cheers
this thing does not have thunderbolt ports these , as for testing on the mac can you be more specific as to what your asking me, have i power tested them yes have I Mah tested them yes does the mac os also give you alot of the info yes ..
You mentioned the Hagibis doesn't allow connection to a power supply, please check again cos mine does.
any the Hagibis hubs like this one do not show a second power only port on them just the main port which will only give you 500 mah total power via Type A or 900 Mah Type C in either case that is not enough power for anything to run stable if you have more then 1 device hooked in which is why i got this one as it does have a decated seperate power port tho they do supply you a cable for c to A its usless if your using up a port to power your hub as you need 3 to 5 amps 5 amps inoput is best if you want to run 2 internal drives properly and use other devices at same time
@@KevinMillard68 I have also ordered the Hagibis before seeing this video. I contacted the direct seller in China and was told the second USB-C port can be used for power - "5V2A" is what they said. I suspect that would be in line with the recommendation on the Qwiizlab to plug the second cable into the regular USB slot. Seeing as the Hagibis and Qwiizlab look like the same rebranded OEM product, is there any way you might recommend to test it when I receive the item?
Also, the seller suggested having both USB-C plugs connected to the hub, as I have ordered the DisplayPort version. Is this also unsafe, having both ports provide power together? I had DVD drive in the past that operated similarly, with a special dual USB cable for added power, but I'm not sure if this is in fact bad practice.
@@KevinMillard68 Wrong. The hagibis dock with ssd and nvme drive capability instructions, recommend a PSU fitted to USBC (B) socket. In fact both this dock and yours are the same just different Branding. Do your homework first OK OK OK OK !!!!
@@mikepxg6406 I can confirm this, just using an apple iPad Pro USB-C charger with my Hagibis dock that looks identical to this one.
Depends on the Hagibis model... I recently purchased the Hagibis MC25 Pro DP. It has dual USB-C ports on the back as well as a DisplayPort. My goal was to add a NVMe and SATA drives and free up a USB-C port on my Mac Studio that is currently connected to a 4k display. In the product description for the Hagibis unit it says all ports are usable when the Mac is connected to USB-C(a) and also talks about adding an external power supply to USB-C(b) when adding two drives to the unit.
However, in the tiny instruction manual, and also since confirmed by email from Hagibis support it's a different story. USB-C(a) only provides power and data for the NVMe, SATA, Front USB and SD card ports. USB-C(b) only provides data and power for the DisplayPort. So there is no way to add external power to the unit - if you attach external power to USB-C(b) as recommended in the product description, all you are powering is the DisplayPort - however, unless you have your Mac attached to USB-C(b) there is nothing to display. So in order to use all ports and drive bays in the Hagibis unit, you have to connect two USB-C cables from your Mac to the two rear USB-C ports on the Hagibis unit.
This brings up the question, what exactly is the purpose of the DisaplyPort Model - if you have to connect USB-C on your Mac to USB-C(b) you could just connect your display directly to the USB-C port on your Mac!
Thanks for your very detailed video. Because I am from Europe (Greece), and given the fact that we have 220V AC, could you pelase help me and tell me how many watts do I need to have to supply my hub correctly?
the best option is 140 watt in order to deliver the amps you need to the hub, iam still using a 65 watt and it barely does it but it does seem to work so far but i have to save my money for a 140 watt one still to many other projects have been putting that off but so far as long as iam carfull i have been ok at 65 but 140 is what you should get
@@KevinMillard68 Thanks so much again for your advice, and something more. 140 watt on a single port right?
@@KevinMillard68 I have a similar hub from Hagabis, and am powering it currently with a 65w Amazon Basics single port adapter. The NVME drive just goes offline when I try to use it. So I've been scouring Amazon for ANY USB-c adapter that offers above 3 amps at 5 volts. Even the UGreen 140w charger carefully says that, although it will give you 140w out, the max you can draw at 5 volts is 3A! Here are the detailed specs published on Amazon:
Single-Port Output USB-C1: 5V/3A 9V/3A 12V/3A 15V/3A 20V/5A 28V/5A 140W Max PPS: 3.3-21V/5A; USB-C2: 5V/3A 9V/3A 12V/3A 15V/3A 20V/5A 100W Max PPS: 3.3-21V/5A; USB-A: 4.5V/5A 5V/4.5A 5V/3A 9V/2A 12V/1.5A 22.5W Max
If you have a line on any power brick that actually goes above 3A on the 5v port, I'd very much like to learn about it. Or am I misunderstanding? Is the PPS: 3.3-21V/5A the key?
I have measured the voltage and current to this Hub using 2 X USBC cables and in line meters on each cable fed from my M1 Mac mini, I can confirm the power IS shared !!! My hub is fitted with a Samsung EVO SSD and a WD Black nvme. However a separate PSU is preferred as it frees up a port on the Mac mini. OK OK OK OK !!!!!!!
you not telling me anything i did not already know and it frees up more then a port for amperage when using a seperate PSU is prevents you from tosting the port as well
How power supply do you recommend from Amazon?
find the one with the most watts and amps you can
Excellent video. However, what you say about drawing power from a Mac Mini isn't quite accurate. Most macs, which this device is designed for, have Thunderbolt ports. A Thunderbolt 4 port, in a Mac Mini M2, has the capability of providing up to 100 watts of power. That equates to 20 amps, assuming 5 volts coming out of the Thunderbolt port. Now, if you were using this in a traditional USB-C 3.1 port, then yes, the power requirements can be stressful on the computer. But if plugging into a Mac Mini with Thunderbolt ports, there's no way you're going to draw too much power. No matter how many things are plugged into the Qwiizlab doc. You might over power the Qwiizlab, but you're not going to hurt the mac mini or any computer using a Thunderbolt port.
And also, the read speed ARE in Mega BYTES; NOT Mega BITS. There's 8 bits in a byte. So when a USB 3.0 / 3.1 port can do 5gbps, (Giga BITS), the max speed read would be 630MBps (Mega BYTES).
ok pal here is how it works thunder bolt is for thunderboltl devices only and provids power for thunderbolt when its sees one, how ever if your device is not thunderbolt then your 100 watt theroy just got craped on because thunder bolt is only enguaged on the system when it sees a thunderbolt drive other wise for non thunderbolt devices it can only and will only provied power enough for the non thunderbolt devices and yes this includes all devices that are not thunderbolt and very ver people can even afford thunderbolt docks which also tend to be power docks as well. thunderbolt drives come powerd and unpowered as well.
all docks and hubs that are not thunderbolt the computer treats them as such and is not able to supply your 100 watts to them.
i also used to have the Quizlab hub and it is not thunderbolt and it must use a seperate 3 to 5 amp power suppply to run properly power it from the usb a to cable does not work properly as the amperage its uner 1000 Mah or 1 amp .. for the whole mb/s and mbp/s thing who gives a crap on the terms point is they sound the same and we all FK up on the terms at times so take your gramer cop crap and go bug some one thats cares about it.. , Also I have many videos with proof on all this loaded up junk into hubs and how things are affected and when they are affected but you missed thoes.
Also tell this same story to others that used the wrong hubs and blew the ports in their macs and PCs iam sure they would love to hear from you as well as all the licenced techs that had to to deal with the repairs and still do .. I have also been Both and Apple and PC tech for well over 30 years now. but i have been into electonics and design work far longer then that. have a great day to .
No I feel so funnyDid we both have the same interests and computers Where are you running on your main PC
i run windows 11 on my PC
I have 5V/4A 20W power supplie, can i use it..?
yes as long as it has the right plug ins in fact 5amp is better but 4 amps will help a lot it still does not mean tho that you can plug all the ports up at once but you'll have plenty of power to run your stuff properly with out causing any damage to anything
Don't ask this Buffon he has his own agenda. He is not an engineer all BS.
@@mikepxg6406 from the man who can’t spell buffoon
@@mikepxg6406 troll much
? why on earth are you calling this a review when you have not even held it in your hands?
i own it check out my demo and review next time serarch my channel before making a comment that is not valid this was my final review on it read the title watch and listen to the video as well be suprised what you can learn if you take the time
@@KevinMillard68 no I do not need to search your channel for other videos because this was not a review but what you thought it was before you got it and this video can only be reviewed( you see what I mean) buy watching this video not only the thumbnail of this video.
Quite correct. Also a lot of his statements are incorrect for instance the Hagibis equivalent of this dock which is in fact identical except for logo is intended to have a separate power supply fitted to USBC (B) port it clearly states this on the instructions on the Hagibis webpage.