Eveliina Salonen Would've DOMINATED The 2022 Memorial Simply By Making ONLY HALF of Her EASY Putts!
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- Опубліковано 6 лип 2022
- Eveliina Salonen had potential to DOMINATE the FPO field at the 2022 Memorial as her drives and upshots were top tier, but she severely struggled with putting- "Air-balling" nearly half of her 10 footers. If she would have just taken her time and made JUST HALF of her easier putts she would have came out victorious. If she get her C1 putting down, she will be a true contender every round.
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I will forever watch this video whenever I feel like I had a bad round of putting
😂😂😂
Watch out, the yips could be contagious
The sad thing is I have actually putted almost this bad in a tournament. I try not to look back on that weekend
@@ogs1mpson609 “We don’t say the Y word out loud you understand. It’s like saying McBeth in a Theatre, Voldemort at Hogwarts, or Soccer in England” 😂
I just had that the other day and this makes me feel way better
I can understand if someone is just slightly off and hitting the band or the rim a lot, that happens to everyone at every level…but seeing a pro completely whiff inside 10 ft and not even touch metal is a real head scratcher
The layup from 11 ft was when I had to change the channel
That was indeed mind-numbing.
It was making me cringe so hard watching.
I can putt eyes closed and be way better than her
I'm guessing this is the disc golf equivalent of what they call the 'yips' in professional baseball. It's where a pitcher just completely loses the ability to hit the strike zone, can't throw a strike to save their life. They completely lose control of the release of the baseball. Happens to catchers too. One guy couldn't even throw the baseball back to the pitcher and would literally walk it to the pitcher any time a baserunner was on. It's definitely something mental and I have no idea how they even get over it, if they do. I've heard some players go as far as talk to a sports psychologist to try to get over it. For her to miss short putts by that much, something had to have been going on in her mind that was screwing her up.
No offense, but that's the worst putting I've ever seen. It looks like it's on purpose.
Kat missed from like 3 feet... You underestimate how bad they are...
She doesnt practise putting at all. On her free time she plays padel and she is in Finlands second best padel league playing
I honestly had to stop watching, I was getting second hand embarrassment.
@@Peterisheree When the commentators don't even know what to say.
@@tinncan #respectHERgame plz
I honestly think that she may be the best FPO thrower right now, but even when she is not missing putts like these, putting is still the weakest part of her game. I feel like she could benefit from switching to a more direct and simple putting style, but I have struggled with tournament putting quite a bit so I definitely can empathize with her. I hope she can get this figured out because the rest of her game is so strong.
Yeah her drives are amazing honestly. It's still a head scratcher. Entirely mental, has to be. In my mind there is no other way. She has some sort of mental block when it comes to the putting green.
I have been thinking about this! I have no doubt that she would dominate as the number one female player in the world if she could just get a reliable, repeatable putting stroke. She's like Shaq at the free throw line!
I don't ever see her being better then tattar or Pierce
She is better than PP off the tee already and pretty even with Kristin off the tee. Literally would be the best or about tied for best with Kristin if she could dial in her putting.
Nah, don’t disrespect Shaq like that. He at least made his free throws when they counted!
I said this after the last tourney as well. If she was an average putter she would win half the tournaments.
Worse. Much, much worse.
Wow, that's a fantastic story there, people. Love it. I watched all of it before you put this together and it's very well done. I felt so bad for Eveliina, but I had no idea the margin between the real rounds and what it could easily have been would have been a dominate performance for sure. PS. She still has a smile to offer everyone.
Well said. She takes it well. I couldn’t imagine what my state of mind would be after missing that many close putts. She still put up birdie opportunity, one after another. She’ll figure it out I’m sure and start crushing the field.
How can you feel bad for her, it’s not even remotely close to the basket, a pro putting like she’s playing her first game ever
It’s just embarrassing 💀💀💀💀
This made me feel 20x better about my game
During this and other tournaments earlier this year, there was a lot of discussion about what was going on with her. I think the best explanation is that she developed a pretty severe case of the yips. She was a solid if not great putter in previous years, and this was a new development for her. I've seen the same thing with other players, curiously mostly FPO: Jennifer Allen, Catrina Allen, Kona Panis. She's already looking more like her previous self (albeit with some remnants of this - see the final round of the Women's DG Championship), and I'm happy to see it. It's hard not to cheer for her, she has such a sunny personality on coverage.
Just watch round 4 of the most resent tournament and she was doing the same thing missing every short putt. The commentator kept trying to give excuses/ reasons why she was missing, but at this point she just need to practice her putt at close range.
Otherwise she has to be doing pretty good to be on lead card final round hope she gets her close range putts together in the next couple tournaments.
@@zyron4190 Round 4 of the most recent tournament? You mean the final round of the Women's DG Championship? Yeah, guess I'll have to watch that.
My brother had the yips in regards to throwing BP as a baseball coach
I mean I thought I had had the yips before. I’m like 890 rated and have had some really bad putting days. This is miles worse than anything I have ever done or seen. This is scary level yips
@@zyron4190 this happened to me before and you’re right, the solution is to practice from 5 feet until you get the muscle memory back. I wonder if some pros have too much pride practice gimme putts
Whew. That was the funniest/hardest thing to watch.
On the side od her strong points I remember when she was playing a local course here in a showcase competition with Barsby and Philo. I followed her card and on one hole she asked how it plays out, I said it takes a hard left after about 350ft. She took a Destroyer and just smashed it well beyond the turn, and she was still in high school back then.
I thought this after watching her play in the uswdgc this year. Everything but her putting was phenomenal
her putting was much better there than it was here
@@gothard5 definitely. Hopefully she continues to improve.
every time I miss a putt for the rest of my life I will hear in my head "ooooh eveliina!"
Putting makes a world of difference. This is why some players who don’t have the best distance but have fire, confident putting win tournaments or at least place in the top five. Know you weaknesses and make them stronger.
Accuracy is far better than power. If you can bail every putt with 15m you can easily make strokes on the field. It's not that often that you need a 150m drive off the tee, but I guarantee you even the top pros putt from 15m at least 4 or 5 times a round
Oh my. I feel so bad for her. I knew she wasn't putting well earlier in the season but I didn't have the video context of just how bad it got. She had a couple of good putting rounds at the last tournament, hopefully she can continue to improve in this area because she is so impressive off the tee.
Thank you for making this video, I've been so puzzled about her lack of putting skills. Her long drives are top notch, how come her team can't give her better support with her putting? A few private putting lessons should be enough to fix this.
Dang.. I didn't get to watch this tournament. She did so much better at the wusdgc this year, her 3rd round didn't go great on the green but nothing like this. Once she figures this out, it will be hard for the other Ladies to keep up! She's a SNIPER off the box!
Her putting was pretty bad in the final round. It definitely cost her the championship.
this channel is legendary
This is the most savage video yet
she can become a good putter I have no doubts. She really just needs to have someone teach her a better putt and also put in a lot of time. in recent tournaments she is already looking more committed and has had less of these whiffs. Definitely still needs work though. If she could putt like Ohn she would win every event..
At 1:00, I found it hilarious that she appears to carry a stack of putters with her so she can just reload and keep the pain train a-rollin'!
I’m not professor but I think you should look at the direction where u wanna throw that disc
If I’m Innova I’m pissed lmao
And she’s still 960+ rated…
I'm pretty amazed at the lack of effort the majority of these putts were.
@@jordanashford7521 right she's rushing every putt she's not even giving herself time to focus or concentrate at all just crazy
She was laying us from 15.
She’s throwing it like a 1020 rated pro.
@@lfish21. Her tee shots are great.
I've seen Eveliina play about 10 rounds now, and she's one of the best throwers in the FPO. She's got power like Paige Pierce, probably a little more, but she's more consistent. Putting is clearly the weakest part of her game, but I've never seen her putt this poorly. She's usually much better than this video suggests.
If often wonder why so many pros struggle with putting. (Relative to other pros, that is. Almost all of them putt at least as well as I do.) Even if you live in the city, you can buy a cheap basket and practice C1 putting as often as you like. I putt much better than I throw, because i practice putting in my yard almost every day. Sometimes it's only 10 or 15 minutes, but doing it so often helps tremendously with muscle memory. I'd love to hear theories on why so many pros seem to master the big tee shot before they master putting.
Even for a girl she sucks
because putting is not fun
@@AmbientNoise404 if you’re her it’s not haha
It gives me that Charles Barkley golfing feeling.
Seems like it. But also she just gave up it seems. Like Charles still took his time, this was just, something else.
@@ero9685 i think it's more that she was trying to not overthink each putt.
Have any one told here to stop power grip when putting?
For those of you commenting giving form advice let me just stop you. This is not a form issue or anything close to it. She has a severe case of the yips. This has happened to baseball pitchers, golfers, basketball players etc. etc. Its a massive mental block that prevents her from making them. The yips can be caused by a single event that will trigger at certain points (for example stepping up to a 10 foot putt). Ways people have fixed this are by seeing a sports psychologist, getting hypnotized or just a matter of pushing through it until you regain your confidence. So please stop saying "its because she straddle putts" or things like that. Its not, she just has a severe case of anxiety.
She's gotta take her time and focus you see how fast she putts she's rushing every putt she's not even giving her self time to concentrate
Thanks, doc. Glad you can give me her diagnosis.
Source: “Trust me bro”
Oh good gracious no I am not going to stop. I can see your points but at the same time no. You can’t look at a slightly awful form and say that “it’s anxiety” sure it plays a part, not this bad.
@@Nah08 she was rushing short putts trying to overcome the yips, basically trying to ”backbone” putts. Taking more time didn’t help, so she tried this at the time.
Now at USWDGC, she was doing fine again, until it rained on round 3 and she missed a short one at 18, almost missed comeback too, then round 4 she missed 14 times in C1. This is EXACTLY how it started: she missed few times at last hole on R3 of European Champs, and R4 onwards couldn’t hit anything. Deja vu.
Honestly all these comments make me sad. Eveliina is SO talented and she still manages to put herself in contention even with her putting yips. Yes, she may need to slow down and take a little more time on her putting, but remember that playing disc golf professionally can be SUPER stressful and bring a lot of anxiety. I played in USWDGC and just having 40 spectators was extremely scary. Imagine playing at her level and having HUNDREDS of people staring at you as you have to putt from the dreaded shorter distances. Whether it’s anxiety or something mental or something else, it can be so difficult to continue playing when your confidence has taken a major downfall. To me it seems like she only putts fast because those putts are stressful to her. No matter what the reason, give her grace because everyone on the pro tour has had their issues, and if we gave her grace instead of saying nasty words or quickly jumping to judging, and instead encouraged her to evaluate, practice, and breathe through each of her putts, then maybe you’d see a difference. Also, it’s really disappointing to see some comments saying “FPO will FPO” and things like that. Everyone, in every division, has putting woes and bad rounds. It doesn’t take away from their capabilities. Remember, she’s on the pro tour, and half of the people commenting are not. So don’t be so quick to judge and bully when you don’t know exactly what’s going on in her personal life and game. Anyways, rant over, Eveliina is incredible, and I know she’ll overcome these struggles through practice and encouragement💗
"Imagine playing at her level and having HUNDREDS of people staring at you as you have to putt from the dreaded shorter distances."
@@FizzyP number one, thanks for comparing an FPO player to MA2 like that’s an amazing and similar comparison. You obviously don’t have much sympathy for someone who deals with stress and anxiety related to disc golf (and potentially outside of disc golf as well.) My main point was that it’s one thing to correct kindly and out of best interest for the player verses being sexist, harsh, and straight up rude like half of the comments on here. I wasn’t talking about MPO, and neither is this video. We’re talking about FPO. So let’s not compare a completely division to a singular person. I just want to ask how I was “making excuses?”. I was literally saying that with some more encouragement and PRACTICE she could overcome her struggles and supporting a fellow disc golf gal. I guess standing up for someone isn’t encouraged. Also, this has nothing to do with James, or Simon or any other MPO player. I actually do support a lot of disc golfers and would gladly stand up for many of them in a situation like this.
@@FizzyP I also question what you’ve been watching and who you’ve been following, because I’ve seen plenty of MPO players have “blowup” rounds or just genuinely bad rounds. Just like EVERY other division in the history of disc golf. Yeah, the scoring separation may be different, but honestly a lot of the courses on the pro tour are designed with MPO in mind rather than FPO (understandable on some points, because MPO has more players, but still.) a 2- round can be a “blowup” round for MPO even if it seems nice from a distance. My point is, EVERY division has had their fair share of blowup rounds. It happens.
@@carisfischer5256 Calling this yips is false assumption. From 8 years old video record she told that she needs to practice putting so she knew that putting is her weakest part and what she needs to do. Well... Last summer she admitted that she still has NEVER trained putting.. 7 years knowing that her putting sucks (I say that because she used the same words) and still haven't done anything to make change it.
This makes me feel better about my putting game. Thank you
This gave me anxiety
She's elite from the tee and will be a force when she gets the putt figured out.
The fact that she was top 5 with this kind of short game goes to show what her real potential is.
Hope het future putting will work out for her.
It also shows the lack of ability in the field that someone can miss 18 putts from inside the circle and still cash
I thought my putting was poor........guess it’s ok after seeing this train wreck.
My first thought when I saw this? Oh no, he didn't. I want to watch, but I know it's gonna be painful. Eveliina and Nikko are coming for you!
Painful to watch.
It really hurt to watch. So many bad memories of my own putting came flooding back. I have to admit, I did laugh out loud at 2:36. Someone must have said, "Well, it can't get any worse."
I remember my first time playing disc golf
Is it a bad angle or did she foot fault at 1:11? That'd be a brutal callout! She was in the mix at the USWDGC and her putting was atrocious. Her long/approach game is S-tier.
Just finished watching and.. wow. I understand how someone could miss a 6-footer, but to have completely wrong trajectory AND speed at that range boggles my mind. It has to be psychological, because there's no way she lacks the skill to make those shots. I hope she gets that nailed down.
I don't know why more ppl don't copy Ricky's putting style. Its similar to Kevin's putt but more refined and smoother.
*btw I wrote the exact thing in a comment on the USWDGC comment section 3 days before this video was released.
Coincidentally.
Ricky uses a staggered traditional stance while Kevin uses an extreme straddle. But i agree with you that Ricky's technique is effective. He really explodes on a line through the chains and uses his whole body.
Saw it in person, truth.
1:20 is legit on PURPOSE
Now we know why Nikko takes his time on the greens
No lol don’t ever mention her in the same sentence as nikko
If she has the yips it's because she's not confident in her putt. If you have developed a good consistent putting motion then those putts should be relaxed and easy. But it's more than just the yips. Once she gets her putting corrected which I totally believe she can do, she'll start winning. Putting is the easiest part of the game to put time to work on.
I made a comment on a previous video that it was only a matter of time before SBO makes a video out of Eveliina missing short putts. Here it is.
She must have insane drives and approaches if she puts as someone who's playing for the first time, while still being a pro.
Me in Advanced at every tournament I do
I think I speak for "everyone at home" when I say- "I am a better putter than Salonen" lol
The look on Tattar's face at 0:31 though...
It's kinda like you recorded one of my rounds, and photoshopped her over me
She did this at the 2021 European Championship. She's got a severe problem and it's awful to see when it happens. I really hope she can fix this.
this was the most painful round of disc golf ive ever watched. Why make me re-live it again.... that time where kevin got smacked was bad too
She gets paid for that effort.
Catrina Allen must be so relieved the torch has been passed.
Ngl, this makes me feel sooo much better about my game lol
Last tournament she was 1st from tee to green and 46th in putting...
Holy shit. Complete air balls from 6-7ft?! On the pro tour? Ouch. I bet it was tough to even make it through these rounds.
Still averaged 970 for the tournament.
@@lfish21. don’t matter. This shit is awful. She could be over 1000 easily if she could make putts my 4 year old nephew could make
Next time I play a round, I am going to count my missed putts, so many are birdies to par to bogie, lol
Its easier for me to keep track of the one or two I miss rather than how many under I am. Like at the end of 9 holes I'll be like "I had two missed putts, I'm 7 down"
If she just aimed 2 baskets left she would make all her putts
My first thought was "eye exam"
First time I watched her play I noticed that her putting was holding her back a crazy amount. She needs to really work on it and completely change her style bc the current clearly isn't working, and she knows it clearly
So innova sponsors anyone !?
I can’t say I’ve ever seen a pro lay up from 15-20 feet on a no-danger, low-wind bogey bid.
On #3 you can see Kristin's face tells the whole story of how we all feel.
Honestly crazy impressive she still placed as well as she did missing that many putts
Nah the competition is not very hard so not really crazy, speaks more about the others then her
1:50
I think it’s the yips. she’s too good of a player, and it makes sense given what happened at the european championships last year. really hope she can work through it once and for all cause she’s so fun to watch
She’s very undisciplined and has a poor mental game when it comes to putting. You can clearly tell she is stiff across her entire body, gets in an unnecessary straddle stance, and is all arm. She makes long, wild, and bizarre motions as she reaches down into odd spots. Then without pausing she just snaps her arm up and out, having a 0.001 second window of releasing the disc at the proper point of hitting the basket. It makes zero sense why anyone, whether the MPO/FPO level or MA4, would do that over and over again.
This is harder to watch than an ASPCA commercial...
That was brutal
that hurts
How is she on innova ?
0:56
Did they breathalyze before the event?
Funny that i have a putter named after her
Why would you lob hyper putts from a straddle? I can’t think of anyone that’s on coverage regularly that has a similar stroke. If no one else is doing it, and it’s not working maybe it’s a bad technique?
Some of the putts highlighted were not "gimmes" but boy, some of those were 10 feet or less!
The announcer every time "Oooh Evilina!!"
If you want something keep working til you get it;)
This goes to show everyone that you can be a pro too, you just gotta believe;)
Finally I can say that I'm a pro level putter.
I'm not gonna lie... lol ! I have missed a couple that bad. But damn !!
So howed she still put only a plus one with a putting situation like this was she birding every other hole?
It's all mental, when I play in tournaments I'll miss puts from like 5 feet away and I'm under none of the pressure that comes with being a pro
The commentator from Major League would have really had a field day with this
I always watch the FPO coverage whenever my game is trash that week
She has got to be doing it on purpose no one can miss a 10 footer that bad that often especially a pro
That’s strange. She wasn’t even close. She looked nothing like that this past weekend and the major
That was tough to watch.. especially the 15’ layup, ouch! Yips are one thing, but she has no chance to make putts with the stroke she is using now. Release point and angle all over the place, no follow through, no leg involvement… hope she puts in some work and improves.
this doesn’t even seem possible. i am a scrub ass disc golfer who can hardly throw 280 feet and I could nail most of these putts, some of them I could probably literally make now until the end of time if I shot them repeatedly. i’m just not understanding how this is possible
you put your logo and the shot count in the same corner. very hard to read
I am in no way a pro at disc golf but good lord I have never seen a worse short game. I thought Katrina Allen at one point had a terrible short game. She has fixed it mostly. Eveliina is a whole different ball game. She needs to change the way she holds that putter. Maybe try some stuff out since ya know her way is obviously not working. I miss maybe 1 putt a round that is 25 feet. She misses multiple 15 footers... wtf
Like watching shack shoot freethrows
The only way out of the "Yipps" is consistent practice and repetition of your putting routine that never varies. I honor this girl's effort/efforts and will point out Eveliina is one of the very best players on the Female tour.
As a big fan of FPO this is my one big complaint. While most are getting better there are just too many "top" females who appear to never practice putting. It's cringe worthy.
Go make 100 (or 1000) putts every single day, it doesn't take long and I don't see how anyone could miss this much if they did it. It doesn't help that the worst offenders have some of the most abysmal forms. Just mimic Paige (or literally any good putter) and practice practice practice.
Besides Ohn, Eveliina is my favorite female player to root for. Her putting drives me crazy, she has me yelling at the TV all the time. If she can just get a little better, she would dominate. Just needs a little more practice, let's go Eveliina!!!
Having a bad day she do usually throw like that wow frustration
I've heard her say that she should practice putting too. She could be the best in the world with a better putt.
This is the definition of insanity. Repeating the same thing, but expecting a different result!
Clearly someone paid her to lose
Looks like footage of my putting game.
All the comment heroes dont even know what putting anxiety is
it must be grip related, is she power gripping her putters?
It's just the yips
Goodness. I had heard about this but now upon seeing it, it's even worse than I had ever imagined. I mean how do you miss high from 5 feet? Goodness, hope she gets a good teacher to help her with this.
I truly can't understand this! I mean for real!