No Defense Can STOP Today's NBA Offense | No Chill with Gilbert Arenas
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- Опубліковано 9 вер 2024
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They're saying Today Players won't last in the 90s.
but nobody talking if the 90s players can defend present players without fouling them.
Lmfao nice comment
ahh the 80’s and 90’s, if i cant out hoop you imma out hurt you. Never understood why this made that era better 😂 No real skill in that
Yeah this is real talk. Imagine gary payton trying to stay on kyrie irving without fouling, not happening
@@RT-qz5ci If he plays the exact same way, he’s getting fouled out by the 2nd quarter hands down
@andre jamison Dumb down the game? A bunch of highschool snd one and done? You realize that the 80’s and 90’s had over 4x more highschool draftees than the 2000’s did go look up all the highschool draftees and what year they were drafted. Bron cringes when he doesnt have the ball in his hand, i can tell you didnt even watch this season because bron played more off ball than ever, why do you think they consistently had a playmaker like caruso, bradley, rondo etc on the floor. Spacing is at its peak as of rn 4/5 shooters on the court at all times in the 80’s 90’s you had 1 if not NO shooter on the court. Zones are no longer illegal, you cant pack the paint because teams can actually pull from outside the arc meaning man to man defense takes a lot more skill. Offenses are able to do more, that’s why theyre scoring more. Put a 90’s defense against a modern team you think theyd be able to keep up without fouling? thats a fucking joke lmao jus because you could body slam niggas dont make the defense tougher. FUNNIEST PART in the era of social media, where you are put under a microscope, where criticism is so much easier to be spread, the players are less mentally tough lmao are you fucking kidding? Even MJ acknowledged how mentally tough you have to be in this era
Gilbert back with these basketball meditation videos
🧘🏾♂️ 🏀
“Cuz u gotta remember”
For real..
Please brother Christ doesn’t want us to meditate, please meditation opens door to spirit that are not godly. Sometimes they act like a spirit of light but then betray you of course because they are of the devil
@@joemeriana8259 You have no clue. Continue on though!!
Imagine Gil on like TNT or another one of these NBA shows giving this type of commentary. He would have to clean up some of his language lol but it would be sick
or if they did a adult version of the talk show! like NBA Talks @ Midnight
I didn’t hear him curse one time
He’d run circles around Kenny and Shaq lol I actually feel like Charles could adapt, when he’s not just being a grump and mailing it in he can be pretty insightful
Inside the NBA needs an alternative group. I'd love to see Gilbert headline a new group. Let them do some of the marquee broadcasts. Kenny, Shaq, and Charles often sound like they are living in the stone age basketball-wise.
Them old niggas would hate his guts! Mainly cause Gil is right!
Agent 0 so smart and selfless when talking about basketball
But he’s wrong...the game has never evolved...the athletes aren’t better and people aren’t more skilled...yea people do fancy dribble moves but they aren’t as fundamentally sound...the rules changed to make offense easier...there aren’t centers in the paint so the paint is wide open and you can’t touch anybody...as the years went on they changed the rules to make offense easier for more highlights so more people would watch it...Shawn Kemp, jordan, jr rider, John starks, Clyde drexler, spudd Webb, Daryl Dawkins, Scottie Pippen all had 40+ inch verticals...the game was played differently...offense did not evolve...go watch some 90s and early 2000s...they it’s not that they couldn’t score...it’s that they let the people play defense...now days there’s no resistance
He would make a great lawyer for this new era of players with his case and assessment of what he saying on top of him being ahead of his time with his 35ft and beyond 3pt contested shot attempts and score 1st shoot 2nd mentality then maybe dish to a obviously super wide open player in the lane or throw a bail out pass . HOWEVER If it was coming from a pass 1st point guard or even Baron Davis who was a gifted athlete and playmaker that always thought pass then attack. It would have been more justifiable IMO
@@MrSPIDEY21 much agreed. Anyone who's a true fan of the game knows harden is not getting a 60 point triple double if he played in say 05-06.
@@MrSPIDEY21 90s basketball is the worst era of basketball played since the 60s and 70s. The competition was so trash I laugh watching the 90s basketball. They had few superstars with trash supporting cast apart from the bulls. Spurs with Robinson, Utah with Marlon and Stockton, Magic with Shaq and Hardaway(injuries took him), Ewing at NYK. All these teams were that bad roster wise. Only the Bulls could boast of MJ, Pippen, Grant, Kukoc, Rodman, Harper(was leading a Cavs team). They had a deep roster. The 90s NBA was the worst skillwise.
@@MrSPIDEY21 bro u trippin 😂 so ur saying that 40+ inch vert makes the offense much better? Yo remember when allen iverson enters the nba and do the crossover on mike? Mike never seen that move before. So what are u saying that the games hasn’t evolved? Bro u think the bulls can go run and gunning with the Golden State? Nahh i don’t think so. Prime Mj and Pip couldn’t guard Grant Hill because they have never seen an small forward who can go left to right and has the athleticism. Man please don’t give too much flowers on 90’s-00’s era. I got much love to those. But please do not underestimate the offense of this generation. There are new breed of players that is coming. Players that we’ve never seen before.
Wtf is he not on a coaching staff or coaching? Bring him back to the wizards or something I mean damn dude has unlocked the keys to basketball and life I mean damn
What made Gilbert a great Pg was his basketball iq. If he had played alongside someone like T Mac back in the 2000s bru... 🤯
You know why.
Maybe he just doesn't want to
Coaching ain’t easy
@@adgee5401 😄
I don't know about this one Gil... I think if you allow the defensive players to get physical with the offense, it would slow down some of these smaller, lighter and quicker guards. It would have turned John Wall body types and athletic ability into an evolution of a Gary Payton 2.0. Taking away being physical of defense gives us a James Harden for better and worse on both ends.
The lack of defense has destroyed the nba and Gilbert is totally wrong on this one. The league was much better even when he played. If they brough back good defense half these players would not even cut it
What defense is y’all talking about tho the refs call everything blame them
Facts.. Gilbert talks out his ass sometimes.. 😂
@@nathanoppy yeah you don’t really know how skilled nba players are
Still think that with more contact allowed the game would be more exciting to watch. I think lots of players would struggle with that.
Absolutely agree. When it gets physical in the NBA games today the stars don’t always step up.
That’s bullshit
Most def !! For a lot of players a smudge more contact and the averages of points confidence of driving the ball etc changes a player games but unfortunately the player everyone loves to hate wouldn’t change if anything I truly think he’d master getting more contact on the driver because he already gets smacked around in the paint it’s just the fact he’s so strong and it never physically to the eye seems to bother him so people always say he big as fuck he ain’t supposed to get that is wack because when u think of it imagine Russ going to the basket and getting hit thag hard or pulled on her flat out have a career injury ... it’s simple math this generation players are bigger faster and more skillful then back then I’d go far to say right now someone like devin booker and his skill set would put up Jordan numbers or better but skill wise (shooting ) he has way more when it comes to ashorting that ball
Basketball shouldn’t be a contact game its not football it’s a skill game creativity is what makes basketball so fun to watch
@@mallyboo-352 Creativity versus contact is 🔥🔥🔥
Funny, Vince Carter ,who recently retired after 21 years in the NBA, said that Alot of today's NBA would have issues with the old style NBA. Gilbert and Vince Carter would have a great debate.
That’s the most recycled talking point though. The older eras are no where close to the level of dribbling and shooting we have now. The guys now are shaking defenders out of their shoes, creating 10 feet of separation from the defender, and sniping a 3 pointer over their dead body with 40% accuracy (equivalent of 60% from 2).
I've been saying this since High School. It's really not that hard to understand
Once all the old heads leave the media then everybody will understand too
@@ikemikekpeazu5076 Defense is starting to come back already, and the old heads didn't leave yet. Turns out they were right.
@@penkima4923 how is defense “coming back”
@@ikemikekpeazu5076 The reigning champions getting eliminated was a defensive victory, orchestrated by Gobert. He may have started a new era of basketball. Let's see how things look next season.
I hope he understands that god has gifted him with an incredible basketball mind. Keep teaching the youngins Agent "0"!!!!
No lol ,he was wrong about luka 😂
Has offense evolved that much or has defense been handcuffed...
Offense has evolved. The floor spacing, the guards scoring ability, you have 7 footers euro stepping and handling the ball like pgs
Defense has been handcuffed. Before Freedom of Movement teams weren’t averaging as many points several years ago as they are now.
Yeah is been handcuffed...Putting their feet under a jump shooter so they can break their ankle or sprain coming down. Close line them across the face when they jump up. Smack the dribbler hand repeatedly just to say "They cant dribble and the ball is part of their hand so therefore I can smack it repeatedly. " Or While the offense in front of the group on the fast break and the defender cant catch up to them. So they shove them from behind to save 2 points.
@@TNMUSlC you get six fouls for a reason , if a team gets a steal and I can stop them by using a foul why is that a double penalty on me? I get a foul and my team loses two points and an extra possession.... that’s hand cuffing
Man im 43 years old. So happy Gil said this. Evolution always improves the game. No matter what the game is. I love the past too but us old heads need to be realistic. We had all time greats but whats different now is the role players are 100 times better. The coaches are 100 times better. Player development is 100 times better. Look at the Last Dance. Jordan was playing against average competition most nights. Guys that wouldnt even make it in the league today. Same in NFL. Only sport where players of every era can compete somewhat is baseball. But in football for example...yes Jim Brown, Bo, LT, and the real stars could play today but the rest of them guys barely even worked out. They smoked cigs at halftime. They had jobs in the offseason. They couldnt even make it out the modern combine. Its not a knock on anyone. Just evolution.
Well said bro!
Completely agree, not only that there's also human evolution involed(we're starting to see players that has more wider wingspan, height with athleticism) and the Science, Medicine and Therapy has improved a lot.
I strongly disagree. Yes the game has moved forward, however it is ridiculous to say that everything is 100 times better. The rules have changed to facilitate scoring opportunities. Now, players can use all of their offensive weapons. It doesn’t mean that players didn’t have any skills before.
Mj didnt play against scrubs, the allstars back then would be allstars today probably but players 4-12 i would say today are much better than the 90s
@@earlem9771 I strongly disagree when you just said:
*"The rules have changed to facilitate scoring opportunities"*
NBA didn't changed the rules to make it easier to score, they changed it to prevent players getting season ending injury, more even career ending injury. Calls like: ball checking, stepping on a jumpshooters landing area, jumping to block vertically, offensive foul on the restricted zone, etc... these are essential calls. There's a reason why great players in the 90s didn't have a long career.
I agree and disagree. While the game has progressed towards offense I think the fact that most Centers are moving towards the 6-9 to 6-10 range facilitates more switching. While the concepts defensively hasn’t changed the level of athleticism amongst bigs has. Guys like Embiid Gobert are traditional rim protectors but they too can move their feet great. But then you have the new era of bigs like JJJ Giannis Ad and especially Bam who have no issues switching on to guards and holding their own. Eventually the defense is gonna catch up to the offense. Especially the more the game trends to the perimeter because then it’s just about coaching communication and effort.
It turns out that on defense having 4 more inches in height at the rim isn't as important as switching picks, being able to guard your switch and running shooters off the 3pt line.
@@benw7367 yeah it’s a lot that can. Be done do negate that heights. Besides , if a player had four more inches, more than likely ( though we do have outliers they wouldn’t be able to switch anyway and run laterally to a three point line to defend. They would be too tall hindering their lateral agility. That’s actually why we have seen more short centers. Shorter people have a lot more lateral agility. That’s even when comparing a 7 footer to someone who is 6’8
@truth seeker 2 bigs that can run out shooters and switch picks at the key? You agree with me
I disagree, watch the lakers vs rockets series. It’s the ultimate small ball vs centers experiment. Rockets lost the series but they won the argument.
@truth seeker say that Lakers won with two bigs its pretty stupid. If you watched the games, the lineup that was in the court for the most part was with AD at the 5. AD its a freak cause he is a forward in a big body. He can switch on everyone, double, recovery to his man, protect the rim and the 3pt line. just a beast. They did not win with 2 bigs, they won with the true DPOY at the 5
Gilbert “gottamemeber” Arenas always spitting fact
Gilbert gave the best analysis ever in life no analysis should surpass this
When they allow hand checking you notice the difference and bumps you see the misses and complaints..
That's when there's no consistency amongst refs. When they adjust, you still see buckets!
@@niqueomr34 no you don't they miss when the refs swallow the whistle these guys can't get buckets. That's why they cry because the comfort of getting the call doesn't happen
@@InfoOnly2U so they cry all game and don’t hit a shot? Or they complain for a while either get ejected or get there head in the game and adjust. Exactly
It’s like you didn’t even listen to what he said.
Exactly
I love the way he explained this wow
Yes I have realized throughout the past few years and even more now after this video that basketball defense hasn't evolved as much as its offense. I feel the defense aspect of basketball needs to evolve now.
I think it's the nature of the game. The more energy you expend on defense, the less you have for the offense. A player on the court for just defense has shown to be offensive liabilities since teams can just sag off (Sefolosha). I think because of that amongst other things, the masterminds of the game have seen that it's more efficient to focus on scoring more than trying to stop other teams.
Football on the other hand has separate sets of players for both offense and defense, so it's easier to specialize and create an iron-clad wall. Soccer has similar divisions too The best defenders stay on their home's goal, and the best offensive players stay near the opponent's goal. It's simper to specialize when one player has a well-defined offensive/defensive role. IMO those well-defined roles make it simpler to evolve over time.
I would say defense has evolved. A lot of players now are multi-positional defenders that can guard 1-5 or 1-4. There’s countless 6’6-6’7 guys that are able to switch everything on defense and teams take advantage of that more than in the past
@@bn1342 I agree. I'm not saying it hasn't evolved, just that in the game of basketball defense will appear evolve slower because of the lack of hyper specific offensive/defensive roles
Lazy defenders. Playing zone allow you to point the finger at someone else.
@@ZenMasterScr3wy I agree with Sage most because it makes perfect sense. Think about how if you want to be great at either end, defense or offense, you will have to expend a certain amount of energy. Now I understand why Russell Westbrook doesn't play much defense lol! He RESTS on Defense.
I still feel that the actual One on One defense needs evolving. Even the stance and the "Reactive Defense" that most players play in Basketball. Playing it myself as pickup ball and practicing, I thought about how valuable a defender is to the offensive player. Especially during fast breaks when the defense is backing up trying to guard the offensive player who has the momentum running towards the basket. Watch fast break highlights on UA-cam. Look at the defensive players feet, legs, and negative momentum they have going backwards. Look at how many of them look lost lol.
Gonna disagree partially. Yes in theory the game has evolved and there are more moves and counters for the same defensive concepts, BUT those moves aren't necessarily as mastered by the players just because they exist in theory. The game has moved on from mid-range and post, therefore many of those moves are "extinct". Modern players don't have the same footwork. Yes the step back footwork has gotten better (unless you consider it a travel) but the mid range and post footwork just isn't there at an elite level. Things change and evolve with time but not always linearly. It's possible to have regressed in some aspects but improved in others. Would you say Katy Perry has evolved music beyond Bach, Beethoven or Mozart? Probably not.
Thanks you !
They have evolved because they realized having an amazing post game is less efficient than drives, cutting to the basket, pick and rolls, pick and pops, and open threes. They haven't regressed they have been optimized
@@oluwaseyijohnson3162 You can argue the playstyle has optimized that doesn't mean the specific skills haven't regressed.
I feel like when you say mid range and post footwork, the players that come to mind are MJ and Kobe. But not everyone in the league at those times were MJ and Kobe, those guys are once in a generation. I definitely think offense is more superior now compared to years past.
@@TUBESTEAKNIG certain skills are okay to regress thats a part of evolution. Those skills have been weeded out as non essential, still good to have look at the finals. Bron, AD, and Jimmy all got buckets from the post but don't focus on post play because post play is inefficient
I would like to see hand checking return to the nba since the players have evolved so much.,I would love to see how today’s players would respond to physical defense.
They would be trash
I agree
Exactly!!
Physical defense would do nothing but get you fouled out of a game. Players are smarter and craftier and they’ll make you pay for everything.
Facts tired of the soft shit
Old heads luv bringing up hand checking if ask me that’s not str8 man on man Defense lol if ur a great defender u don’t need hand checkin
I've been saying this.
If I don't have to hit you to slow you down. My defense is up there.
Gary Payton’s defense was based around hand checking and he’s considered the greatest defender of all time. He held MJ to his worse stats/shooting splits in a finals series.
Nobody said it’s better we said it was tougher more physical see the difference. It’s harder to score if you’re worn down
but this isn't true. Hand checking won't work on the better offensive players (which is what Gil's point is) but it's going to limit everyone else who isn't at the gilbert arenas scoring level. The main point he's making here is that defensive philosophy in the NBA is ultimately going to be limited (unless you remove the concept of fouls all-together, which will never happen) whereas offensive philosophies are constantly evolving. He's saying a great offense will always beat a great defense - regardless of era rules.
@@iblameabel That is part of it but its also selling short the man was 6'4", had long limbs, big mitts, knew how to move laterally and was smart enough to play as physical as he could. Against legends like Jordan its a give and take. But against other guys who weren't on that level he could definitely lock them down and had all the skills and the know how to do so.
I can listen to that man talking basketball for hours 👏🏾
Carrying/walking/picking up your dribble has evolved so rampantly that there's no defense for that shit neither when the refs ain't blowing a whistle on it like they used to back in the day. Lets keep it a whole buck 🤷🏾♂️.
True, to balance the game they would have to call it correctly
U literally can't breathe on mj or its a foul😂
Good luck to a prime Gary Payton guarding a prime Steph Curry for a whole game. Payton would get his ankles broken 3 times in one possession.
Steph can't break centers' ankles, so probably not GP's either.
@@penkima4923 GP is not a center.
This is not true. Miami and Lakers made to the Finals because they were the 2 best defenses in the league. YES you CAN stop teams in 2020, and defense is still what brings championships. There's a few unstoppable PLAYERS, like LeBron and Durant, specially when they're on stacked teams, but that's another story. Still, as always in history, defenses can and will stop teams, and the unstoppable players are the ones who break that and win most of the championships.
Team defense. He’s talking about 1v1 defense. In the 90s the emphasis was 1v1 defense and now team defense is what really matters
@@newrecruit100 This only applies to regular season when defenses are sloppy. In the playoffs, the guys who drive easily to the basket are locked down, such as Giannis, Westbrook, Harden, Lillard, and others.
This idea that "offense now is unstoppable" is false. As I said, a few players are unstoppable. Lebron, KD, maybe Curry and Kawhi. The rest is locked down in the playoffs.
@@Yuri-sd6gm because the game is half court. The game slows down. Teams can game plan and build strategies over the course of a series. You can’t stop offense though, you can slow down
Defense is about attitude and effort.
If offense has evolved so much past it.
Then It’s because the attitude and willingness to play solid defense is no longer a necessity to be considered a star. Especially with Today’s players.
Wrong Gilbert. (WHO NEVER PLAYED DEFENSE)
@@delscott958 Kawhi is arguably the greatest perimeter defender of all time and his defense has taken a step back because of his increased offensive load. The pace and which this game is played and the ground you have to cover makes it impossible for the effort to be there night in night out or play in play out. Got nothing to do with attitude or effort.
This dude is proving he is one of the greatest minds in bball
Negative and he's way off base first off he said players weren't that good offensively 😂😂😂 Ummm players today are chasing who last I check Kareem,walt,Mj,Karl malone,Moses Malone Dr ect Jerry west Mr logo himself is top 30 25k that's just false..
WE SEE teams scoring 150 points night after night because u can't fucking guard anyone meaning ticky tack fouls no rim protection because u have no center on the floor no power forwards today's game is a track race so running full speed theses guards can't stop one another curry can't stop harden no more then harden can stop him and with everyone stand at the 3 the lane widddddde open Gilbert is just wrong and when a big is on the floor they don't let him go to work they always switching and standing at the arc settling for 3s and then guess what happens guys like Luka doncic are made to look like tenacious rebounders because the opposing team is just running back on defense rebounding use to be a test of will but look at the rockets play harden doing harden like shit he shoots he misses nooooobody in the post to grab offensive rebounds they just run back on defense so the stats u see theses guys putting up is kinda like fools gold and now I got Lamelo ball potentially being a first rounder #1 pick in the era of old that boy a 4th rounder
@@brianbcj cap
@@PRETTY_RICKY33 🤷♂️
@@brianbcj nba vet take > casual
@@xpertyt6801 boy what?
Everyone gonna talk about hand checking(despite being a rule since like the late 70s), but no one is gonna bring up illegal defense. Imagine having to guard 1 on 1 vs LeBron on every possession because he came from the weak side. His stats would be up there with Wilt. Having to play against a zone defense was extremely difficult for any team from the 90s.
I think LeBron, KD, Kyrie, and Curry will dominate that era easily. There's just nothing can do to those guys in a 1v1
I’ve been saying this for years. It's easy to say "defense in the 90's was way better" when 3 to 4 players in each lineup couldn't shoot to save their lifes or put the ball on the floor.
Of course defense would look awesome if they could just pack the paint and wait them to miss or run into multiple defenders.
Watch a playoff or finals game from the 80-90s & you’ll probably see 5 guys inside the arc. Then go watch the 2020 Finals & you’ll frequently see 5 guys behind the line.
The amount of ground these guys have to cover is insane. Every time I watched the Miami Heat for example, they’d have 5 guys above the break. It’s ridiculous.
Zzzzzzz nba today
Gilbert is always speaking gospel.
B.S Gilbert acting like hand checking and f ucking you up in the post wouldn't get in the heads if these soft as s players that are weak mentally. Half those moves he thinks would work wouldn't
@@a.m.scape_5133 bro what? Basketball isnt for you my guy ur analysis is trash asf lol
@@duke9849 you're probably 13 years old and think lamelo the best player in the league foh
@@a.m.scape_5133 you prolly 60 years old stuck in the past hating on the new generation for being better 😂
Finally somebody has spoken. The next generation will always be better, not because it's harder to play in the 90's but the evolution of the game has drastically changed. Science, Medicine and Therapy is way beyond in the past, and most importantly the new generation learned a lot from these great players in the past and evolved it.
I dont agree at all hand checks Definitley make a difference. Also there wasnt a 3 in the key rule which made it way harder to score in the paint.
Gilbert is a Genius with basketball Forget Everything Else he really understands the game detail for detail and this is a young player talking💯👏
He is a sub par player in the Wizards. No.
Also there's a big difference when you're attacking a paint that's full of people. again I'm not talking bad about today's player but what I know is that when I play basketball and the court is small it's very difficult to finish on in the rim when you're surrounded by five guys
That proves his point. The offence is so good today, you can’t afford to pack the paint like that. There are shooters everywhere who makes 3s like they’re layups.
But if you surrounded by 5 guys there’s open passes and in the NBA the guys are too good to leave open now. If you can draw 5 players to you the kick out is literally money everytime otherwise it’s a one way hoop to the cup
You would probably have a hardtime finishing at the rim when your teammates clogged the paint, its either you shoot 3s or Js to score, in 90s you dont have to be a good shooter to lure the defense because theres a rule called illegal defense that will keep your defender near you. rightnow there are stretch 4 and 5 that can open the paint.
@@randomdumbass3872 great point
@@majozikabini48 am not saying i have a hard time finishing, but that it's HARDER to finish with 4 guys in the rim. Also i was talking about 80s basketball when there was no 3 point shooting. Also players can shoot the 3 today, but lack the post play, which everyone in the 80s and 90s had. I';M NOT SAYING PLAYERS TODAY AREN'T AS GOOD. Please dont misundertand me. I'm just saying that those easy basket at the rim are easier than before. I LOVEC TODAY'S GAME. I'm just an objecdtive fan
Finally an objective stance on how far the NBA has come
I'm a 90s guy through and through, my fav era with the attitude, nicknames, characters and shoes.
The play was good for sure but GA is spot on about the guards, imagine Mark Jackson guarding Lillard, Mark Price v Westbrook, Tim Hardaway v Curry, Mookie Blaylock v Murray or Rod Strickland v Simmons it will be a massacre. The big men would be another story. Stay Frosty kids.
Well said
@Shawnthadon playa that is if them big men can play up and down and guard the perimeter. Cuz unless Aryvedas Sabonis can switch out to kevin durant he gonna be sittin on that pine all night.
@@corduroycrook facts. There are a lot of “true centers” in the modern game that just get run off the court. It’s a different game. Not better or worse, just different
Shawnthadon playa Modern bigs would render the defense of these all time great bigs less impactful because they'll be forced go guard the PNR instead of being able to anchor the paint. No doubt tho, those bigs would make Embiid look like childs play. Only player who could probably keep up is AD. I also give Stevem Adams a shot at guarding Hakeem and the Shaq, Adams is actually strong.
@Shawnthadon playa 🤦♂️
Never seen this till now and I watch alot of episodes... Gil Right!!!
The defender is defenseless in this NBA. ALL THE RULES SAY HE CANT DO ANYTHING THATS FROM ON THE BALL OR SHOTBLOCKING
This is something a player that played no defense would say. Majority of players just aren't disciplined enough to play defense. This is crazy to say when we see dudes like marcus smart thrive in the league solely off his defense on guards.
Just bring back hand checking 😂
Imagine steph and kyrie doing step back and crossovers in the 90s. Damn.
Playmakers from back then had to restrain themselves because coaches were stiff and had terrible offense philosophies...now if you are a great offensive player they let you attack at will in the era, lots of run m gun and spacing.
they only cared for shots at the rim and bigs cause big men ran the badly developed nba for years so that was the formula
jordan came in shooting shots on ppl and changed the whole game. which is why guards like penny was so monstrous when they came in the nba they wanted to cook you not pass and play coaches ball all game
Yeah I agree with what he’s saying but if that’s true they should allow hand checking again it might not help defenses a ton but it will help a little and they need help to keep up with this incredible wave of offense.
It’s easier to score in today’s NBA simple. Players have more freedom on offense due the rule changes. Defense is hadicapped due to the rule changes.
You do realize theres more freedom because the offense spreads out the floor? Its not just about rule changes. Every position now have the ability to shoot. If you watch games back in the 80s and 90s everyone drags off their defender because 3 out of 5 positions cant shoot the ball outside 15 feet.
@@darkmanx2g Fucking exactly. People are just that much better, it's that simple. Like we get it, you're fond of the era of basketball you grew up in but please stop. Everyone is just better at this basketball shit, bigger, faster, stronger, more skilled etc. Even if you change the defense rules back to the 80s people would still get torched.
@@darkmanx2g there's always been shooters at every spot though. From Bill Laimbeer to Rasheed Wallace. There's always been scoring guards. Oscar, Isiah, Tiny to Iverson.
I think its more adaptation than evolution. The great centers vanished.
It got so bad they took the center position off the all star ballots.
Shaq was the last real one. That's when the bigs with range prerequisite really started.
A lot of bigs also didn't want the physicality of banging with 275+lbs dudes in the post every game for 10+ yrs
No legit threat to throw it to? Put a bunch of shooters on the floor.
Now the game is what it is.
The present can't exist without the past. No one can say players are better because the past's demise gave way to their present. To claim something is better you have to have it there to compare it. One must make the other antiquated.
There are no Shaqs, no Olajuwons, no Kareems.
And that idea doesn’t really make sense. If rule changes made the NBA easier to score in, tell me what year this happened? What rule was it? What year did we see such a drastic drop in the scoring of teams and players that we attributed it to “rule changes”
@@ikemikekpeazu5076 defensive 3 secs was implemented 2002 to open up the lanes for scorers to easily attack .. and taking away hand checking .. defense has been crippled
Great reader of the game and the goat of 2k19
...from an Allstar who was allergic to defense✨🐿
Lol exactly.
careful bro , he might pull a gun on u.
The problem with this theory Gil is talking about is that defense will dictate how much u can do offensively. Is Harden or Steph going thru there legs 5 6x in a row with hand checking? The league got rid of it to, in their own words, "OPEN UP THE GAME". If a defender has to lay off in fear of being called for a foul, the offensive player KNOWS he has more freedom to do more on offense because he knows his defender isn't trying to commit ticky tack fouls whereas before the rule change that was just considered defense, no calls
I do agree with the home but just because you have more moves don't mean you're better. Sometimes having a small menu of moves it's all you need. Look at bird, bird was a simple basketball player. Coming off flair screens, pump fakes, post-op, no in and outs no between the legs only when it was necessary. And bird was as efficient as it got. Sometimes the simplest players are the best and the ones with the most complicated moves give the illusion that they're better
That’s not his point. Bird could score all 3 levels had pumps fades shimmy’s and his jumpshot was behind his head and he was 6’9-6’10. It all about him saying they teach defense to do a certain thing he’s saying these days there’s over 50 counters to whatever defense you are playing that’s his point. Not that he had 3000 dribble that’s different
Also take into account with birds 3-5 moves he had counters which count as moves as well.
@@majozikabini48 So you're saying that having multiple counters is better than having a few but effective counters? I'm not disagreeing with you i just wanna know what you mean
look at tim duncan, he had a few moves, but he was sharp at it. JErry west had the simple pull up, and the hesi pullup. He also had a strong in an out game. Simply having those moves and mastering it will make you unstoppable. Simplicity isn't bad. Klay thompson is like that. He has a small range of moves but he's fuckjing good at those moves. But please don't think i'm downplaying today's players. Cus they're nasty
@@MindfulAttraction2.0no look at Tim Duncan for example.he had a few moves but counters to every move if you have 3 moves but 2 counters to each move that’s 9 and that ALOT. Tim Duncan could face up hit the J. If you were close he’d swipe and draw a foul that’s 2 moves even though no one counts the hand swipe as a move it is. Having a high Dribbling package isn’t a lot. It’s like a hesitation of KD he uses this one move but always has 3 possible moves he can make out that 1 basic move which you spoke of. I’m speaking like this
Chill Gill is perhaps one of the most insightful people,who has ever played our game,in terms of being able to articulate the game we all love. I played and started watching the game,without ever abandoning being a student since 1977. I played the point. All three of my brothers played the point. And even my mom,played the point in through catholic highschool school. Originally I was disturbed by rule changes. I always saw as tampering,with perfection. I didn't like what AAU did to us being able to watch more fundamentally sound players. But now, thanks to Gill articulating,what's happening. I can digest what coming and what I'm seeing. Thanks
"90s defense was tougher" yeah you probably will end up getting frustrated and fight the other team. When they're embarrassing you pulling up from 30feet in transition
Make Handchecking Great Again...will fix all this and minimize the flopping.
I disagree when playoffs come around I feel refs officiate the games differently. All that fancy stuff gets tossed n we literally see these great offensive players get stifled. Offense has improved but officiating has helped tremendously.
I agree completely The way these games are called are extremely horrible
so it isnt players faults, its the refs
No Chill is no cap, all facts with an objective perspective on the rise of NBA offenses. Skills development has overwhelmingly focused on offense over the past 10+ years because there are so many ways to work off the defender. Proactive offense vs. Reactive defense...much like MMA in understanding what movement leads to what progression and which vulnerabilities can I expose and exploit in this matchup.
Thank u Gilbert. U spit some facts to those romantic old fans!!!
U cant really guard someone who is great offensively!!! U just cant!!! Basketball players evolved
Gill is a true BALLER in every sense of the word 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
But the problem make me question the most is Jordan. Watching his flight game highlights look like can he fit in any era.
MJ would've been fine today. Only haters say otherwise. He's better than Harden in every way and Harden is putting up 30+ a game.
That triangle offense slowed down the opponent offense and thats the x factor.
@@littletyger2221 clearly you don't know what you're talking about because Jordan is nowhere near the shooter James Harden is and I don't even like James Harden
Some players talents are just generational. Today theres alot more skilled players who could've played in the 80's and 90's compared to back then when only a handful of players could've crossed over into this era. The game is much faster, players are not suppressed or limited. They are allowed to show their game.
If you wanna know how Jordan will play today just look at how Kobe played today.
I’m so glad Gil shedding light, he always dropping gems 💎
So why then make it harder for the defence and remove hand checking, put various zone defences, etc?
Exactly
Many players in the early 2000s have said Zone is harder than hand checking, hence is why shooters improve to combat zone defense. Jordan have a video of tricks he use to easily stop hand checking.
@@davelouie131 yeah but Gary Payton used hand checking against MJ and defended him the best out of anyone
@@iblameabel and still lost. Great offense beats great defense every time.
Hand checkin doesnt work on people who shoot. It will always be a foul. If you noticed anytime a defender puts a hand in they just do the swipe up motion for a foul.
The rim is the best defender on this point now Half of the time Power forwards and centers are on the perimeter because of pick and roll while the guards shooting from 35 feet you can’t guard that
Hard to tell between the game n the layup line. Both have the same level of defense
The end of NBA defense started when they stop calling, traveling by people like Mo cheeks, who every time he bounce the basketball he was carrying. The supreme handles of people like Kyrie Irving into a slightly less your degree, and Stephen Curry comes from the fact that character can practically palm the ball, and make it do all sorts of tricks.
And1 is the new NBA, for better or for worse.
But this is very thought-provoking. We may have people like Jordan Poole who can go back in the time and become a Hall of Famer if he played against people in the 70s. If he could not be called for traveling, yet, keep the rest of everything he’s done, he’ll be able to shoot the lights out on people, if he can avoid getting close lined.
The reffing system also prioritizes offense, which destroys the purity of it.
Man now I finally get it!!!!
Respectfully disagree everybody chucken up 3PT shots is not evolution
Oh they're so much more accurate
One of the only retired players that understand today's game
This is true if they continue to call touch fouls
Don't all the way agree and usually with my man Hibatch I do, but the point of hand checking back then was to turn your man into a another defender that's what made the old championship teams great....today's offense would have problems if they brought the old style back
How would they have problems?
Ima have to disagree with 0 his perspective comes from a scorers mentality his defense was always his weakness so his perspective will differ from a tony allen and dante jones type of players
How does his scoring mentality impact this argument. You can be a defensive minded player and still have this opinion.
Nah he’s right, he’s pretty much debunking the notion that defense was better in previous era’s. When the fact is the offense is better in today’s game, which is true
Nah defense still comes down to effort il give it to you though all 5 positions have the ability to shoot the 3 but that doesn't make current offense sets complicated or unstoppable most teams run 5 out or 4 out 1in in today's basketball which is not new to basketball at all the intrinsic difference that you see today is that now its just used to space the floor for iso or drive and kicks which is basic basketball in the past it was used for motion cuts and back screens/ backdoor cuts. the bucks against the heat in the playoffs were a good example of a team trying to do the 5 out/ 4 out 1 as a basic drive and kick offense which doesn't necessarily compliment Giannis,middleton or the rest of the teams skillset its why they were just standing there letting Giannis Iso into a crowded heat paint but the heat also didn't over commit to the paint as well which left brook lopez open who is not gonna beat you by shooting 7 3s a game so what I'm saying is teams like golden state who run the 5 out or 4 out 1in set at full capacity is because they move to create shots and it compliments their skills are hard on defenses but someone like a bucks team trying to run it at a basic drive and kick level poses no threat to a competent defense like miami the argument to me is very similar to arenas view on analytics
@@ikemikekpeazu5076 Also check my other comment as well but Kobe bryant gave his perspective on this conversation about a year ago and said today's nba offense is just accidental basketball which in my opinion he means the same thing I'm saying its just drive and kick out to the three that's not complicated at all we play like that in pickup games search up accidental basketball and you'll see the article he says the same thing that I'm saying
@@thedon2161 here's the thing though in the 70s in the aba and nba the game averages for team scoring are nearly identical to today's different type of basketball being played yet same results
Man everytime i watch gil im learning more about life than basketball 😂.
Naw Gil the rules have changed which helps a lot if these guys score the guards are 6’4 lmao but so are the guys defending them and no rim protection
There is rim protection fym? Lol the better rim protectors can't get playing time cause they get switch up all night long and go around chasing quicker players off screen. Face it man stop glorifying the past
@@ShanLoHoops well said, and yeah rules changed and the players today are more talented, they innovate offense
Everyone moved out to the three point line so there’s not much rim protection, and the refs and the rules are so soft today.
@@ShanLoHoops Facts💯💯💯💯💯💯. You know your basketball.
@@JakeDantoni 3 is better than 2, easy math. That will not happen if players aren't efficient shooters from the outside today. And yeah the rules changed. Just because they removed all those illegal defense, hand checking and prevent those on court brawl because of excessive fouling. Yeah you can call that soft. But thats innovation. for the better. and also offense is better entertainment than defense.
I haven't thought of his perspective, where offense have evolved that old-school defense can't catch up. My next question is, "how does the defensive game react & evolve?"
Bring back hand checking and tough play for one season
@@dondada4437
Gil have a good angle on that but I think he really didn't talk about hownthe NBA actually made rules for defense becoming relaxed. Nobody wants to be fouled out. It's not a natural evolution. It's an artificial one where the NBA tampered with it. It worked out in the end because they are making way more money than ever before.
Except Kyle Kuzma and Caruso, them dudes can get locked up no problemo lol
DON'T YOU DARE INSULT THE GARLIC MAMBA. AC DA GOAT
Caruso doesn’t have to score to be very effective in the game
Because Caruso hasn’t blown by several NBA players right? You’re delusional bro
@@bullettomy7thheart That dude apparently has never watched him play or isn’t able to understand what he sees on the floor
with these rules of course. thats why luka said its so easy to score in the nba.
and team usa can't beat nigeria and australia. all that meet me at the rim and hand checking sure seems to work
Today's defenses can't stop today's offenses. They stop themselves, never seen so many missed open shots and layups, lol.
Agent Zero is spot on with this. Everyone is capable of shooting over the top of taller defenders now. Their jumpers are non defendable. There is no shot blocking outside of 10 feet. Everyone can dribble now; everyone can shoot with both hands, everyone is fast. Everyone can shot 3s. Scotty would be a lesser version of Draymond green today. MJ was barely making 3s, now you got centers shoots 38% from 3.
Then we need to evolve the defense as well ! ;)
When are we gonna see finally a defensive superstar player (known for stopping everyone)? 😉
Eh they made the game more offensive center to bring in more people. The increased pacing of the game has resulted in higher viewership if you look at 2010- 2019
Jrue Smart Kawhi
That doesn’t exist and has never really existed. Could never exist in today’s game. Too much skill and range.
@@newrecruit100 I totally disagree. It can be done. When there’s a will there’s a way.😉
Hibachi sensei droppin knowledge once again
Only difference I see it's a 1000 3's and alot of misses!!!
I can listen to gilbert all day. he makes so much sense
Sorry Gil this just ain’t true. How can you say that rule changes don’t effect the game? They’ve constantly implemented rules to make offense easier! That’s not evolution of the offense, that’s devolution of defense. They took out the hand check, put in defensive 3 sec rule AND now they put a rule where you can’t contest jump shots or else 50/50 chance it’s a foul. (100% chance if you have good body control such as Curry, Harden, etc.)
What year did offense get drastically worse due to these rules? What year did players scoring go down. And you do realize that help defense was basically illegal back then right? Making offense easier....
@@ikemikekpeazu5076 not necessarily. As you saw zone defense got exposed by the Lakers which had one of the easiest nba championship runs of all time
@@iblameabel So you're telling me that not allowing help defense in the 90s made the Lakers championship easier? that doesn't really make sense because one example of a lakers playoff run doesn't prove anything. But, anyways, that's not my main point. I would just like you to tell me what rules made scoring easier
@@ikemikekpeazu5076 no lol it actually made it harder. Wow you guys are tough, Lakers just won the easiest championship ring in nba history a couple months ago against a team who was using mainly zone defense. Heat got dominated. Also any great player is gonna break zone defense. Why do you think HS/college players play zone? Because it’s inferior to man! That’s why old era players are underrated because they were athletic and smart enough to play man. Also you see star players looking like Wilt scoring a 100 points in HS because they break down the zone so well. Also the hand check made scoring easier and the new rule about giving shooters space.
Yeshua Hamashiach Is Calling You scoring didn’t go up after the hand checking rule. And old players weren’t smart enough to play man. They had to because zone d was illegal. By principle, man to man is the best defense, but it is not effective if you are playing good shooters and if the guards are really skilled off the bounce. Guards back in the 80s were neither, so man was easier to play.
i usually agree with gil... he lost me here... if this is true why do games look diff when the refs "let them play"... those moves get locked up and those same huge guards are flopping and begging for calls... offense has evolved... but cut moves don't work as well with contact... that's a fact
lol he is talking non sense!
Did he see the 2020 finals? Lebron never even got contested. Just raising your arms put him on the free throw line. No wonder he shot 59% while he was shooting 36% in 2007 vs San Antonio's REAL defense, and 47% in 2011 vs Dallas.
Sorry but this era has 0 defense. Love it or hate it, but don't deny it
So lebron can't improve?
47% is a good percentage lmao and maybe because lebron got better at basketball in the 13years between those other finals
Lebron is way better player than he was in 07 and 2011 my brother
Lebron is basically a walking offensive foul. He gets away with more BS than any other player.
@Shawnthadon playa if u dont see a drastic improvement in lebrons play style from his early days then idk what to tell u... yeah d wade improved his mental true but he still had to put in that work
He is right that players have more moves (although a lot of moves today would have been called for travels or carries back in the day) and he’s right about guards being bigger and players being more skilled. HOWEVER, when you’re not allowed to touch a player, that in itself makes a HUGE difference and as an offensive player you can do way more moves. There is no way you would be able to dance on these defenders and pull up from anywhere if you were allowed to hand check. It makes a huge difference and anyone who has played basketball with people hand checking would agree. It’s way harder to get shots up, drive to the lane, even move without the ball. The players today definitely have it way easier on offense. I say if todays players are so skilled let’s bring back hand checking and see if it’s true.
I’d put the 17 warriors against anybody the further you go back the uglier it would get 96 bulls would get swept all blowouts
yeah, most old heads are stuck and don't understand evolution, they will just spit today No defense thats it and failed to understand the whole game today. haha
Finally, somebody who knows what's up and isn't hating on today's game
Naaaaah hand checks would definitely work.
disagree. hand checks were around will AI. he wasn’t affected much by hand checks. hand checks are effective because players were moving full speed and attacking
@@Lover-ur4te He's AI tho. He was special, not a good example.
@@homeshomes3855 it is a good example because you can't hand check people like curry and harden from half court thinking there not either scoring or getting to the line
Man. Imagine a 6’8 250 pound 23 year old Lebron hand checking John Stockton. Cmon man. ... dude would be bananas. Or Curry in a one on one pick and roll with somebody like big kat and the defense had to man up and couldn’t hedge or drop. Man. .. it would be bonkers. Three point kingdom. I will say though. Wilt was the man and nobody had a pull-up mid range like jerry west, so evolution has devolved some fundamental aspects of the game. Shoutout to derozan lol
@@YardratZ yea but things can't stay the same now we stepping back and chucking deep 3's
Lil man don't even understand 🤣😂🤣 Balmain 🙌🏽 it's life
It seems that way because players have stopped playing legitimate defense
This is true. Back when I was slimmer and able to run around, I could run around like a mad man and get off shots but I worked for everything I did(Obviously we are talking pickup). Now even with guys who can really ball, I've seen so many moves that even having a decent 1-2 sidestep/stepback is waaaaaay better than the contested Kobe fades I used to throw up back in the day.
You can knock out new moves a few hundred times and if you study defense, its easy to see how guys just get what they want nowadays. Defenses aren't able to be innovated at the same rate as Offenses because the fundamentals pay off way more on defense. Offense, when your player has specific talents in footwork or a quick release, can be molded a dozen different ways even on the fly. I watch NBA games now and can't get mad at some of the defenses because what they are going up against isn't defendable unless they completely give up on the offensive end. Its tiring to chase Steph Curries around and then be expected to also run around like him on the other end.
Gilbert usually right but I disagree, if u bring back the old def it will def slow or stop them
That part
You hand checking a dude just standing at the three point line. You also forget that they removed the illegal defense rules that made it easier to score
He is 100% wrong. If defense was allowed, shooters wouldn't be as great. They would be tired and not as effective. He is speaking as an offensive-minded and great offensive player, not as a defensive strategist.
The only reason it's unstoppable is due to this weak and inconsistent calls. Look at that "lockdown" defensive play of LBJ against Murray. That should have been a foul in todays game. If they allow that defense throughout the season and playoffs, we'll see that a lot of these unstoppable players get stopped.
Remember when LBJ had to put both of his hands behind his back while guarding CP3? Literally how the defense is played today.
Facts
They called even more fts in the 90s lmao
90s had no Zone Defense.
@@davelouie131 and your point is? Didn't LBJ dismantle that zone defense by miami in game 1? You're telling me kobe won't drop 81 because of zone D?
I believe two things have lead to this:
1) NBA nerfing defenses.
2) No defensive specialist play basketball anymore. You are only drafted if you can score. People like Rodman would never be taken today.
I have to disagree with zero
I do too. If you watch the games. Players slack off on their defensive assignments which lead to a lot of open shots.
You a old head of course
@@littletyger2221 But if you watch games in the 80s or 90s players slack off defensively its not just right now.
Little Tyger players are much better at defense now with rotations and schemes
Basketball evolves, everything evolves. Just like offenses evolve. Defensive fundamentals have always been the same and as long as that's the case (it always will be), which is why people think defense got worse when in reality offenses have gotten so much better. Love Gil, an old timer now addressing the false narrative on players today not playing "good defense".
Why the guards were playmakers? Because the offense started at the post back then. Hell even guards back then knew how to play on the low post.
The game is different now. It became highlight driven basketball. Defense took a back seat.
Players basically get away with pushing off the defensive player with their off hand when dribbling. That's why you see defenders flying.
Because the Big Men are now shooting threes, guards basically have an open lane to drive coupled with the fact you can't touch anybody now it's going to be freethrows.
GA said hand checking and pushing from old days will not benefit much on todays game, because players are that talented today that they can do alot of different moves on any type of defense. thats evolution/innovation bro
This is my same logic for DBs now.. You're not shutting this Wr down anymore..
I love how cocky the guests be
It’s annoying
Abe-Le-Don how were they cockt
@@ikemikekpeazu5076 well it's only just the highschool players. They just sit there all cocky and shit. Like they already know what gil is saying.
@@Alla8024 they're no cocky. Did you watch the one with sky clark?
You handcuff the defense then of course the offensive scoring will go up. These new players got all the space in the world to do all the fancy moves they want.
I completely disagree. I just watched Boston, Miami, and Toronto play multiple games in which their opponents struggled to score against matchup zones. Last time I checked shooting the low and mid forties isn’t unstoppable offense
I hear what Gil is saying and I would agree that offense has evolved by a tremendous scale in every position. But, let's be real, no one's getting their shot off like that if they're being handchecked. That's why we work so hard to create space for ourselves. I mean, honestly, if handchecking were still allowed in the rules of today's game do you think someone like Steph Curry at his size would still be able to drop 400 threes in a season? Ever notice how the top 10 most threes made in a season are all post-handchecking era players? That's a direct correlation, if you ask me, due to those changes of what players are now able and unable to do defensively in regulation play.