Okay, even as a guy that is pretty outspoken about believing Golden Freddy is not orchestrating UCN, I gotta admit this is pretty solid. Great work yall!
Thank you! It was so much fun making this video! For a while I wondered if Golden Freddy really did anything with UCN but this just helps confirm it even more in our eyes!
Can I ask what you think the golden Freddy final cutscene means? Honestly that's what always threw me off. Because if GF isn't orchestrating it i dont really understand the purpose nor importance of that cutscene
@@mochapoke3100 I think it's the bad ending where the vengeful spirit doesn't move on. If you get the OMC ending, that's the vengeful spirit moving on, thus letting William die, which is what we know happens. If we beat 49/20 mode, it's the vengeful spirit staying behind to continue to torment William. Though that's my personal thoughts.
Another point about Rockstar Foxy relating to Michael is that he sometimes helps Springtrap and sometimes kills him, which would be good evidence for the popular theory that Michael helped William in some capacity at some point, even if not with murdering people. He certainly helps William in Sister Location.
Good point! Though I do want to say is that this does ride on it being intended to keep counting past Golden Freddy. We don't know if Michael was ever aware of helping William either so I don't know if MikeAccomplice is a good version of the theory. As I don't think Michael helped William with anything knowingly.
@NarrowRaven Doesn't Sister Location end with a speech that literally says "Just like you said" which implies that William asked him to do something and gave him specific instructions?
There's a burger restaurant chain called Freddy’s and William was (most likely) banned from the pizzerias, and as we all know the last you would want in your burger is someone's foot fungus. William was banned for putting his feet in the lettuce.
@@gameslayer3976 Could this support the idea that Cassidy is the Vengeful Spirit? I mean, 14 theory indicates that Golden Freddy has a strong connection to TOYSHNK and Cassidy is heavily implied to possess him, and with the tallymarks in the Happiest Day illustration being 14 in total…
@ it is certainly worth noting, though the line “I’ve seen him, the one you should not have killed” implies that the spirit is male. Alternatively it could be interpreted as Golden Freddy’s gender being used, though everyone there had pretty much seen him.
Wait wait wait... The Man in Room 1280 is the... 15th story in the frights series?? That... kinda seems important, no? The story about William's torture is in the 15th story spot, just like he is in the 15th roster spot in UCN... the game where William is tortured... just like in the aforementioned frights story... And the fact that William is represented by the number 15 doesn't have to come from just a being on a locker in UCN. After watching TDreads' video on this topic, I questioned why Scott might've chosen these numbers, and decided to look into something I thought of; Tarot Cards. The 14th Tarot came up as "Temperance"... perhaps representing Golden Freddy's temprement, aka anger towards William... and the 15th came up as... "The Devil"... Straight up just connecting to William. Because in UCN he's literally referred to as a "Demon" by Old Man Consequences. So William is represented by 15 because he's "The Devil" basically, the 15th Tarot. If Scott looked into Tarot cards, this might just be why he decided to use 15 as a number to reference William. Tarots could've played a role in more of his story-telling decisions as well. After all, we now have a Fortune-Teller character in Fnaf: Help Wanted 2, so who knows? Maybe we should look into them more too. Anyways, great theory Raven and everyone. Love the creativity! It's crazy to think we're still discovering new details in these games!
The reason we didn't use it is because that story came out after UCN, so it felt like a stretch but is possible so that's why I brought it up! Also HOW DO YOU JUST KNOW THAT ABOUT TAROT CARDS?! XD It is interesting though idk if Scott would've done that. And thank you so much! It means the world to me and I can't wait to make more content and work with more theorists!
@@grimmason7377 Tarot Card 13 is "Death" Charlie was Afton's first victim. The first death on Afton's hands. The Puppet is also associated with reversing death, giving life to the other animatronics.
Tarot cards can be reversed or flipped upside down. A reversed card can be read multiple ways; it can be interpreted as the opposite of the card's upright meaning, or that the card's upright meaning is somehow blocked, concealed, ignored or delayed. It can also be read as an indication that the "action" of the card is happening - or needs to happen - internally.
Does the number 7 also mean anything relevant in Tarot? I feel like the fact that said number pops up just as much as 14 might mean something other than it being just half of 14
my only idea for mr. hippo being a representation of henry is how, in pizza sim, he ends the game by monologuing. mr. hippo is notorious for his long-winded, rambling stories that don't matter. if ucn is william's purgatory, then mr. hippo feels like a cartoonified, over-exaggerated representation of how tedious conversations with henry are for william. but that's just a silly idea i had. excited to tune into the stream later today!
That's what we were thinking with the monologuing but it falls flat after that which kinda sucks. I wish we had more to go off on for Mr.Hippo and Henry if there is a connection.
@@NarrowRaven Mr. Hippo has two stories about birds dying. One about him seeing the bird population gradually decline after failing to warn a man about feeding the birds sourdough as it is poison to that bird species. The other is about him having a debate with Orville about whether the birds are frozen or not. Orville denies the birds are frozen and Hippo eventually comes to the conclusion the birds are dead, not just frozen. Both instances seem like telling about Henry witnessing the missing children, but denying its happening (the birds/children are simply disappearing or are just frozen), until it is too late.
Michael as rockstar foxy makes sense additionally because Micheal can buy him in fnaf 6. Additionally, Mr Hippo as Henry works because in one of his stories he talks about birds disappearing and it is a pretty good parallel to william killing the kids.
Interesting connection with Henry and Mr.Hippo. I just wish we had something to flat out be like, OH YEAH THATS A HENRY CONNECTION! It's so hard to do that at the moment, but solid connection if you view it that way!
This is the kind of theory that makes discovering new theorists fun. It takes something from this franchise and looks at it in a new way. This then opens the door to further discussion and lets new ideas and possibilities be considered. It makes me think about different possibilities I had not thought of before. While it will take me some time to decide weather or not I believe this theory, I really like what the three of you have found. Great work everyone.
I have come to my own conclusion as to what Golden Freddy and 14 might mean. In HyperDroid's video where he reveals Bite Vitcim's name might be Dave, he discuesses how the tally marks in the Security Log Book may very well have just been meant to point readers towards the puzzle that reveals Cassidy's name, and that we all just came to the conclusion of the puzzle before the first step was revealed. In other words, the cause and the effect were reversed, and because of that nobody knew what the Tally Marks meant. I believe something similar is happening with the 14th Locker. Toy Chica representing Springtrap is used as supporting evidence that locker 14 represents Golden Freddy since locker 15 can be argued represents Springtrap. But the only reason we believe that is because people believe Toy Chica's cutscenes relate to how William kidnapped children over the years. I argue that people were suppose to notice the slanted 14 before coming to that conclusion. When people realize that the number 14 represents Golden Freddy, they would then look to the right, and see Springtrap next to him, and connect that back to Toy Chica, which then reveals that when she discuesses all these ways of luring these people to her house was actually revealing key information about Springtrap and the MCI. Thus, the cause and the effect were reversed.
Again thank you so much to TDreads and Unwitheredtruth for coming on the channel and for working on this theory with me! It was so much fun and such an honor to work with these two as well as everyone else in the stream! I hope to be back there sometime soon! Make sure to be there for the livestream on our channels on Jan 2nd. 7pm CST! It's gonna be really fun and you're gonna have some cool debates! Also there's a LOT of stuff that we didn't use and there's also more stuff we found that we may or may not explore in another video at some point!
Something that's worth pointing out. The *6th* star obtainable in the series is FNAF 2 10/20, aka Golden Freddy mode. Cassidy was Afton's 6th victim, represented in the 6th Toy Chica cutscene in UCN. The miscolored star in the UCN office is the 6th star from the left. The *9th* star obtainable in the series is FNAF 3's good ending, Happiest Day. The miscolored star is also the 9th from the right. This explains the specific placement of the miscolored star, on top of two different connections to Cassidy based on which side you count from
We never once bring up Cassidy or Andrew in this theory video as it's your choice to believe whether it's Cassidy or Andrew. We are just saying you need a connection to Golden Freddy for it to be the vengeful spirit!
@@NarrowRaven No you do not need a connection to golden freddy to be the vengeful spirit. Nightmarionne is the face of UCN but why isn’t anyone saying Charlie is the vengeful spirit? Oh it’s because she despises the nightmares but so does Cassidy, almost every depiction of Cassidy is just wanting him dead. Bear of vengeance, Princess quest, FNAF 3.
There is a monster debate if Golden Freddy even matters in UCN. It also explains more of the cutscenes to us and helps drive a connection between Golden Freddy and William Afton, something we've been missing from UCN. As the only connection we have would be Golden Freddy being an MCI kid. Nothing that UCN really tells us. However this tells us that Golden Freddy alone has a connection to William in this game and isn't just used for some weird reason. It will also lead to other things that will be explored in future episodes! If we explored EVERYTHING in this episode, it'd be such a long video. It also tells us that if you want it to be Cassidy, Andrew, Mike or whoever, they NEED to be in some way connected to Golden Freddy/Fredbear in some way.
It’s a great theory and I love the detail and thought into it. It’s a fun watch and has good evidence, but it’s just more to the pill of evidence that Golden Freddy is behind UCN. Narratively speaking, Golden Freddy is just the only character that makes sense to be the Vengeful Spirit. The big question we should be asking regarding UCN is who possesses Golden Freddy. Are they Cassidy, Andrew, CC, or all three. If it’s all three, then we need to ask who controls UCN because The ONE You Should Not Have Killed can’t be multiple kids at once.
I watched the entire TD Reads livestream now I'm here watching your video and I've gotta say that it's a great discovery and theory! Can't believe people didn't notice this before. As supporting evidence, there's also the fact that Rockstar Foxy, which is supposed to represent Michael, is the only animatronic that helps you.
I am surprised it wasn't mentioned that "14" could also mean 2014, the year the first two FNAF games were released. I'd mention there being 14 or 15 animatronics in those games, but there's 17, and that ruins the fun (Thanks Golden Freddy, RWQFSFASXC, and Shadow Freddy)
(this only applies if you believe in Kelsey=Cassidy) In TNK, it is said that Devon is in 9th grade, and because of them, Kelsey was in the same grade Ninth grade students in the US education system are between 14-15 years old…
That is interesting! I do want to say this though, with stories that came after UCN I'm a little nervous to use as evidence as it wasn't in mind when UCN came out, though those stories are meant to fill in blanks so it's hard to know what I should use for evidence and what I shouldn't!
What I think it's the funniest about these streams, it's the fact that the details are SO obscure. I would NEVER have randomly just start counting the damn starts in the FNAF 4 office.
IKR, it's so funny that when TDread pointed out the white star we all went. HOW MANY ARE THERE?! It's so funny and random and I love it. I hope to go back on those streams sometime soon! So much fun!
Possibly, however I don't know if Michael was ever aware that he might've been helping William if MikeAccomplice is in continuity. Though it does add evidence that Michael did help in some way if it was intended to keep counting past Golden Freddy.
I’m pretty sure the 1 white star is white because the light is being shined on it almost directly. U can see this in the star next to it , it has a slight gradient to it.
We did look into this and as it is true, it's a gray coloration and there is color differentiation on the white star in different parts of it. Specifically a light gray at the top and a pure white at the bottom which makes no sense in shading at all but it's there. It is also a yellow light, so it shouldn't be turning it pure white either. It should look black to light gray like in the other stars if it was a black star.
It’s certainly highly unlikely that these numbers specifically just so happen to be used in such a way that it just so happens to be linked back to the very same character that just so happens to be highly emphasized in UCN. That would be one hell of a coincidence.
The base Fredbear that arrives from Golden Freddy would represent Dave, the death coin method required to get the jump scare, bears similarity to his death scene in fnaf 4 night 6, Nightmare Fredbear is an offshoot of this animatronic according to the Freddy files books, he and Nightmare are listed in the Animatronics inventory of fnaf 4 as; "A giant terrifying version of the Fredbear we've been seeing in the mini games." The ONLY sentence beyond that merely seperates them by colour palette, meaning they are virtually identical otherwise. Like how agony and remnant are the 2 halves of spirit in the fazbear frights books. Another thing of note is in Fnaf 4 night 6, the last words Dave hears come from his Fredbear plush, who SL revealed via the private room, to be William Afton talking through a walkie talkie. So Golden Freddy and Spring trap being next to eachother MIGHT also be a reference to this.
Could be a reference! There's a lot of stuff with Golden Freddy and the bite victim that we have investigated and might talk about in a future episode! Nice connection here!
8:13 I don’t where I’ve heard this, I’ve been following fnaf for close to 4 years so I don’t remember the exact date I learned every piece of information, but I ALWAYS knew that you didn’t have to beat 50/20 mode to get the golden Freddy cutscene. So hearing that again just now made me have a live Dawko reaction. But other than that, this was a really interesting theory, I’m genuinely impressed and also glad it wasn’t something claiming that like the vengeful spirit is Gregory or something because it connects to the hairs on matpat’s arm and the amount of bowling balls in help wanted 2 or something lmao.
Thank you so much for liking the theory! I also forgot about the 49/20 being required for the 14th intermission and NOT 50/20 so hearing unwithered say that made me go OH I SHOULD PUT AN EDITORS NOTE FOR MY SECTION XD
I think this is referring to the bpm of the songs added together? I do think it's interesting though I don't know if it was intentional that Scott was looking into the exact bpms to be related to 7 though it is an interesting find! Good job!
This is unironically peak. I think yall cooked here, great job! It was fun also watching that livestream. I'd probably slightly disagree with the "dead kids counter" I'd probably say it's the 5 MCI, 6 DCI, Charlie, Elizabeth and Michael (who was sent to die by Willy pretty much), but thats very minor. Absolutely loved this, and think it just shows even more that Golden Freddy is clearly the Vengeful Spirit.
Thank you so much! There's so many interpretations for what the overall 14 means, however I think it matters most that 14 is Golden Freddy, 15 is Springtrap, and past that could matter and may not! Also thank you for watching that livestream! It was so much fun to be in it and to see everyone working together in the comments to solve everything! Absolute W comment!
This actually reminds me of a theory I saw on twitter from a user named shockburnt, it was about their possibly being 16 victims. It did the same thing with GF spirit being singled out from the other Missing Children.
This theory is so good honestly, and now I just need to decide if I think Cassidy is the TOYSHNK and Scott wants to retcon Andrew OR Andrew is in GF like in The New Kid.
@@NarrowRaven I think personally, if Cassidy DID get springlocked she (or he, idk) would be more vengeful but if not then I think Andrew would be since he is known in the books to hate William SO MUCH
If we think about the victims (not murders, but victims) we get: 6 gravestones in Lorekeeper (5 MCI and 1 outlier) 5 DCI bodies 3 Afton children (crunch, munch, and stench) Henry chooses to stay behind and therefore is not a victim of William’s actions. The 15th death from William’s actions is William, which is why HS Toy Chica (William murder parallel) is in front of Locker 15. 14 is Golden Freddy, which implies (but does not confirm) that Cassidy and/or Andrew was an outlier to both the MCI and DCI and was killed separately. For evidence, I have your video about the possibility of Charlotte/Puppet being a member of the MCI. My personal theory is that “the TDreads Lefty theory” is correct, but with a few minor changes. Lefty holds the MCI (5 stars on the drawing, 5 thousand dollars, bought for 5 dollars, 5 sewn corpses story) Molten Freddy holds the DCI (5 hundred dollar salvage, Candy Cadet 5 kids 1 key story), Scraptrap is made of the parts of GF and therefore holds CC (Dave) and Cassidy (or Andrew), Baby is obviously Elizabeth, and Michael is the player character. So that makes FNAF 6: 5. 5. 2. 1. 1. That makes 14. 14 deaths, 14 victims.
6:23 for withered chica: if you look up what 11 can be on a Tarot card it is “justice” Apparently…and 12(which is where withered Bonnie lands on) is…hanged man. Number 10 tarot card(where JJ is) can be a culmination, completion, or the end of a cycle 9(where BB Is): you will get hermit if looking up what 9 on a tarot card is. 8: where mangle is….is strength(what tarot card 8 is) 7: where toy chica lands on…is reflection, reassessment, introspection, and a need to pause and analyze a situation before moving forward(what tarot card 7 is…and this is probably the opposite of that). 6: where toy Bonnie lands on is balance, harmony, support, nurturing(what tarot card 6 is)…which again…UCN is the opposite of that. The vengeful sprit just refuses and is too angry. The number 5(for Tarot card) where toy Freddy lands on in the roster is the number "5" typically represents a card signifying change, disruption, conflict, or a period of upheaval. For 4; where foxy lands…stability, structure, and a sense of foundation; it signifies a period of consolidation, where things are settled and established, often associated with the Major Arcana card "The Emperor" which embodies authority and leaders. For 3: where chica lands On the roster…. In a tarot card, the number "3" generally represents creativity, growth, expansion, and a unifying force. Unifying against afton…. For 2 where Bonnie lands: In a tarot deck, the number "2" typically represents the "High Priestess" card, which signifies intuition, inner wisdom, subconscious awareness, and the need to connect with your deeper self; essentially, accessing knowledge beyond the conscious mind For 1: where Freddy lands: In a tarot card, "1" typically represents a new beginning, fresh start, potential, creativity, and manifestation; most commonly associated with the "Magician" card, which is the first card in the Major Arcana and signifies the power to bring ideas into reality Bring ideas into reality….UCN…. Also phantom Mangle is on the 16th roster spot…and for tarrot Card 16 you would get “the tower” Phantom Freddy 17: and on a tarot Card 17: hope, renewal, positive energy, and healing potential; it is considered a very positive card representing a brighter outlook on life. Key points about the "The Star" card (17): Meaning: Represents hope, optimism, renewal, and the ability to overcome challenges. Symbolism: Often depicted as a star shining brightly, symbolizing inner light and guidance. Reversed meaning: Can indicate a lack of faith, self-doubt, or feeling disconnected from one's inner strength 18: interestingly where phantom bb is…the tarot card for 18 is “the moon”. 19: where nightmare Freddy is…you will get positive card on target card 19…which one would be the exact opposite here. 20: nightmare Bonnie is on roster 20….which is judgment card on tarrot card 20. 21: Nightmare Freddy is 21th roster spot which is The World" on a 21 tarot card, which signifies completion, fulfillment, and the end of a cycle in the Major Arcana 22: nightmare is on 22 roster spot which is The Fool (tarot card 22). 23: Is again the hermit card. 27: Where OMC lands is the prodigy on Tarot card 27. 29: where Ballora lands on the roster spot…..and In a tarot card, the number 29 can represent the Domesticity Arcanum 31 where trash gang is Two of Wands Tarot Card. This means you are planning your future but you are taking a more realistic route on how to get to your goals Could directly point towards the spirit hatred of William trashing his or her future via killing. 34 where mister hippo lands on is 34: Innovation on a tarot card. 35: where Pigpatch lands on….very interesting….tarot card 35 is “grief”. 36 where Nedbear lands on is the number 36 is often interpreted as a symbol of "Initiation," representing a transformative process of personal growth and the realization of one's full potential 38: where Orville lands on is art and science on a tarot card….hmm…. 39 where rockstar Freddy lands on is knight of Cups on a tarot card. 41: where GlamRock chica lands on is In a tarot card, 41 can represent uneasiness, which can be a disheartened attitude 42 where music man is in roster spot is In a tarot deck, the number 43 is often interpreted as "Imagination," signifying a strong connection to creativity, inner vision, and the ability to manifest ideas through the power of the mind 44: where El Chips is…. In a tarot deck, the number 44 is often interpreted as "Thought In the Eternal Tarot, the number 45 is associated with the card of Regeneration…45 is where Funtime chica lands on. 47 where scrap baby lands on In tarot, the number 47 can refer to several things, including: The Emperor This card represents an inspired leader who is bold like the returning sun. Deduction This card symbolizes the human virtue of knowing through inspiration. It is associated with the Moon, the letter Q, and the number 2. 47 of Sandwiches This card can represent temporary satisfaction and a sense of loss. It can also represent anxiety leading to waste, such as making sandwiches out of fear that guests will go hungry. Just thought you wanted to know….The pigpatch seems really detailing though since it’s grief 11:59-12:02 oh about that.:: type up what the 15th tarrot card will come up as and you will get “the devil”.
I saw someone else talking about the 15th tarot card and it's wild that two people SOMEHOW JUST KNOW THIS STUFF ABOUT TAROT CARDS XD But really interesting and I will take more time to look over this while looking at the UCN roster to see how many of these would connect to their characters and how and draw my own conclusion if this might've been intentional or not!
Great, now I'm going to have to add "any multiples of 7" to my list of tiny details to overthink in FNAF. Whenever I see 14 written in tally marks now I think my brain might overload. This feels like a theory that I'll probably come round on to an extent eventually, its just a bit difficult to separate what seems intentional from what's coincidental when it comes to numbers of things.
I agree with it possibly being coincidental, though it does line up with Scott and how much he was using numbers to solve things at the time, ESPECIALLY with the logbook. Also I'm not sorry for any damages I cause to your mental state looking for 7s and 14s XD
@ Oh I absolutely agree that you’re probably on to something here, I just meant that there’ll be a ton of times where 14 crops up and figuring out which are intentional and which aren’t will be tricky. And don’t worry, I’d absolutely be blaming Scott for my impending insanity if it wasn’t very easy to prove I probably went insane years ago
I've been looking into 14s and 7s throughout the series in FNAF and so far, it's pretty difficult to find any which in a way supports the theory more since he was debating on having this game either UCN or a endless tycoon. So if it was planned during development, it makes sense why it only appears now, in a slightly earlier book, and maybe later...
also rockstar foxy is a rockstar animatronic, which is from fnaf 6, which micheal is the protagonist of so we got fnaf 6 and a connection to fire and its foxy
This is a pretty good theory, and definitely has some interesting connections. The following are some thoughts I had while watching: 8:34 Honestly, I just think it does 49/20 in order to allow usage of the Death Coin, which removes the target Animatronic from the night totally, including any points you would have gained from it. Since using the Death Coin is still considered part of the 50/20 (or even general gameplay) strategy by players, limiting the score to _exactly_ 10,000 points would mean a much harder night as players are effectively banned from using one of the more directly effective tools available. 11:20 Okay, the white star being the 14th is totally arbitrary, as the stars themselves are not numbered and can thus be organized in any order. You could very well say it's the sixth star based on ordering them from left to right. Most of the speculation section feels like it's just repeating what was already described to us earlier up until 11:55
Thank you! I do want to respond to some stuff first! In 50/20 mode, even if you use the death coin, you still get the points for the one you death coined anyways, so it wouldn't require this change. True! It is interesting left to right it's the 6th star! The speculation was more building up to the 1 + 4 thing tbh though we also wanted to make sure people knew what happened in the stream too! Thanks for being so chill about your complaints!
@@NarrowRaven No problem, and thanks for responding! I've been seeing some of the other guys' videos lately, so I might check out more of your channel later since this video is pretty well-structured and has some pretty solid reasoning.
13:04 In other words cassidy and the afton and emily families Which would also be cassidy and everyone who was involved in pizzeria simulator (other than the mci kids) since i believe crying child is the one in the lead of molten freddy Just go listen to molten freddy's voicelines with the idea that it's crying child in mind, they fit perfectly "One big happy family!" molten freddy says when everyone else present is a member of the afton or emily families except for him... Also, people will bring up that the vengeful spirit is refered to as a boy as counter evidence to the idea that they're cassidy (which is perfectly valid) However, thanks to return to the pit we have a new deranged theory for that Spoilers for it btw In the ending where oswald prevents the mci from happening the girl who is clearly cassidy is described as having curly hair The same description used for the kid inside golden freddy in the story "the new kid" In that story what kelsey is gets left pretty ambiguos but it can be interpreted that he's a weird ghost-projection thing conjured up by golden freddy Kelsey also talks about justice and when someone else defines justice as payback he doesn't like it...and yet under this interpretation that's exactly what he/golden freddy does in the end anyway Almost like that scene is meant to convey that what kelsey defines as justice is an excuse and payback is what he really means deep down So if the girl who is clearly cassidy having curly hair is meant to connect her to all this new kid stuff then there's our answer for why she's referred to as a boy She's using kelsey, her weird golden freddy gijinka stand thing, while dispensing justice!
You could also say DCI in Lefty if you believe LeftyDCI! Though I do think this is solid! I also tell people that the Marionette, is referred to as a he, with Charlotte being referred to as a she. Meaning that it could happen here with Golden Freddy being a he and Cassidy being a she. Also I'm going to get the books soon to read them so I'm intrigued to learn more about Kelsey!
Tbf, this might be the most solid piece of evidence for Golden Freddy having to be close to being the Vengeful Spirit. Although there’s Andrew from Fazbear Frights and there’s everyone saying he’s not possessing Golden Freddy at all- Quick moment! What if Andrew is associated with Golden Freddy because he and Goldie want the same goal in a way that’s intertwining both of them due to different views of their goals. Cuz Andrew seems to be described with curly hair with the 5th kid as according to Return to the Pit… (Meaning incoming spoilers) Has curly hair and is a girl, whom is representing Cassidy that we all know about. Be prepared but what if Andrew and Cassidy are twins? And due to their association with UCN, it’s possible that they both suffered the same demise by getting Springlocked and that with Andrew saying that he latched onto Afton, it’s possible that part of Golden Freddy was close to William and latched onto him, leaving Cassidy being close to the Aftons and follow them with Andrew having to piggyback ride William throughout time. Just in case, I wanted to throw this because both sides of the Vengeful Spirit debate has solid evidence, but it’s impossible to believe what’s likely or unlikely. So in my stance, I might not glare over the Vengeful Spirit debate since I don’t want to ruin my mental health. But I do want to believe that the Vengeful Spirit is within or part of Golden Freddy. This wan an amazing video and you’re an amazing collab theorist.
I do think there's a monster divide with the vengeful spirit with STRONG evidence on both ends. I do think it's interesting how they could have similar motives though being twins might be difficult but is possible! That's just gonna be hard to get evidence for in the end though. Thank you for sharing your thoughts! Absolute W! I do think that this does prove that at least Cassidy, Andrew, whoever else it could be NEEDS to have a connection to Golden Freddy. And thank you so much for the compliment! It means the world to me!
Something I haven't seen many people talk about is the way the office stars relate to toy chicas highschool years. The 6th star is white, and the 6th toy chica cutscene is the pigpatch victim, as we all know, the mediocre melodies are HEAVILY tied into vengeful
6:40 he’s says that because it’s what happens if you play risky and click on the parrot. If you fool around with something that is potentially dangerous, you must expect to get harmed. No connection to Mike since the fnaf 3 fire literally does nothing to William and we see him escape clean. He also isn’t even the one to cause the fnaf 6 fire and William never even contributed to the fire starting
Yes you do have to in a way "play with fire" with his parrot, however if this is Pizza Sim Rockstar Foxy, we know William went there to essentially "play" because he was intrigued, as stated by his voice lines in Pizza Sim. William also does in a way "play with fire" throughout the whole series, ESPECIALLY with getting springlocked, and with Michael being the main chaser to William, it kinda makes sense. Though we do say it could be a stretch for a reason!
It is interesting, however you do have to count backwards, and ignore the 6 trees behind it and the 2 at the bottom of the screen. It is interesting though! Nice find!
8:54 I think it’s just cuz Scott didn’t think 50/20 was possible. (And the reason he thought 49/20 was possible but not 50/20 was because of the aforementioned secret animatronics, who in 49/20 mode DD only summons at most 4 of them, and that’s rare. In 50/20, they’re all summoned)
thanks for including my comment, lol. genuinely so fun to watch discoveries like this be made. you all cooked so hard with 14 theory, it is genuinely one of the most important realizations from the scott games in years. and great presentation with the video!
Of course! You did help with that 14th intermission info! I always try my best to credit those in the community that help if I remember! Thank you so much for liking the theory as well! It's going to open up to some really cool stuff later down the line!
Alright now that this all started thanks to the lockers in "Toy Chica The Highschool Years", and 14 Theory is peak I want to share something I've actually also been speculating about thanks to the lockers which for the time being I will jokingly refer to as 16 Theory. Something that has always bugged me if these intermissions were meant to represent William and his victims: There is no way to connect the victims in anyways that doesn't break the pattern. Even if you throw in Andrew The most common interpretations are: Foxy CC, Freddy Mci victim 1, Wolf Susie/Mci victim x2, Toy Bonnie mci x3, Mangle mci x4, Puppet Charlie, and Pigpatch Cassidy/ mci x5. Or swapping Charlie with CC and adding Andrew. My main problem is this order is so odd and never explains why we don't see the first one. It also ignores Susie being the first victim, and given rttp Cassidy was likely the 4th victim. So in this interpretation I always found it random and unfitting. So I tried to study it until I cluld find a way to make the pattern make more sense. And when I did this I saw something utterly confusing; "Why is handunit on locker 16?" And sure enough right there near the bottom hand unit is etched into the steel. And then it hit me flat in the face: Toy Chica is Michael Afton Their goal of "finding the perfect guy" is searching for his father. Each of their victims are actually just part of Michael's journey through the games with each. In fact I can more easily connect each way they're lured to be a refrenve to the game it represents. The Wolf representing 4's gameplay the nightmares, lured by enticing him into the house woth cookies. As a reminder the dog thing that supposedly connects to Susie goes against how she is actually lured. William explicitly tells her the dog is alive in Fruity Maze and Chica says it was run over in front of her house before talking about luring him with cookies. (there's also some evidence Fruity Maze isn't the mci but not important rn) As for the other boys: Funtime Foxy is lured through several live hostages, Sister Location. Puppet, who is in 3, through just inviting him and then if he doesn't show breaking and then setting his house on fire, like how Michael sets Fazbear's Fright aflame. Pigpatch is kidnapped and the kidnapper blamed on someone random, Balllon Boy, which is a refrence to fnaf 6 and how Mike "kidnaps" the animatronics by salvaging them and he's the scape goat for Henry. And Foxy is 4's mini games the only time we don't play as him in 4, Mike killing his brother being the start of his journey. Personally I find this to make a lot more sense than the William interpretation. With it's only problem being Freddy and Toy Bonnie, which should be Fnaf 1 and 2 respectfully; I've yet to find a good way to explain how the luring method connects to the games. My best guess is 1 is a meta refrenvr to Scott working on making the game and 2 is Mike taking the blame for the dci maybe? Or maybe him taking the job after Jeremy? Still need to workshop it a bit. Idk for sure but it does give us visible proof we play as Michael every game which a lot of people did and still do debate over. (Mostly him being the 3 and 6 guard(s)) I'm still not sure though and I'd love to hear your thoughts on it because i honestly don't know if I'm onto something or not. But something has to be here; Why put Handunit on the locker with what looks like nametags(?) above?
So this is coming from a theorist point of view and brutally honest! It is interesting however there are issues, first is Michael is NOT a scape goat for Henry in Pizza Sim as Henry did want a scape goat, however it ended up being Mike and Mike was willing to do it anyways. But I can see it in a way of him still being a scape goat. With any future game stuff, I think the best way to solve the games at this point is to see what the game tells us, and what the past tells us, so if we're looking at FNAF 4, we need to take into consideration the game of FNAF 4, previous games, and any other game that directly has FNAF 4 referenced or in it. Toy Chica being Michael is interesting however, why wouldn't she be in front of the 16th locker and why wouldn't the 16th character be foxy or someone that would represent Michael. Funtime Foxy and hostages, technically Mike and the FNAF 4 victim however there are several live hostages at once to our knowledge. I can see Puppet representing fnaf 3. FNAF 4 with wolf might be a stretch because we don't know how someone was lured down there in general. Then yeah the issue with 1 and 2 is that's a hard one to figure out. I do think after some more theorizing and buffing out this could be quite good! I just think there's some issues however I do want to make a locker video sometime soon! We've been talking about them A LOT behind the scenes and have come to some cool conclusions!
@@NarrowRaven Yeah it definitely needs more time to be fleshed out. And I can understand your points for the most part. (Admittedly you phrased them linda weirdly but I think I get what you mean) I'm definitely not sure that it's right but I do think it's a decent enough idea to keep looking into to. Maybe I'll make into a video someday after the Shadowtrap video. (Learning to edit is hard) And that's exciting can't wait for it!
I really like this theory. I don't necessarily believe it yet as it isn't quite as clean as @NarrowRaven's theory, but I really like it and think that it has potential for sure. Even though I don't agree with the theory in it's current state, I do have something I'd like to add that I think supports it. I don't know if this was your thought process as well, but you mention that you think the wolf character could represent the Nightmare Animatronics. This immediately clicked for me because of Twisted Wolf, one of the Twisted Animatronics from "The Twisted Ones". This might sound a bit stretchy (I know pulling from the Silver Eyes trilogy turns a lot of people off), but to me it is a clear connection to FNAF 4 since the Twisted Animatronics are clearly those books' equivalent to the Nightmare Animatronics, and Twisted Wolf is the only wolf character outside of Roxy and the one in the UCN cutscenes. Also, and this is ABSOLUTELY a stretch, but I did notice that UCN happened to be released exactly one year after "The Twisted Ones", which could have been a hint to look at that book to clarify the importance of the wolf character in the UCN cutscenes. I don't really believe in that last point, but I was checking to make sure that "The Twisted Ones" released before UCN and I noticed the date and found it very interesting. Anyway, feel free to let me know what you think about this added context and if we had the same line of thinking. Also, I definitely think you should make a video on this theory after a bit more refining. I'd love to see it.
I will say this is an Absolutely SOLID AMAZING theory so much so that now I believe either Golden Freddy is connected to the current vengeful spirit whomever it may be or that it was Retconned after the Frights Books!
Thank you! This theory was a lot of fun to make! I think this definitely tells that that whoever the vengeful spirit is, it HAS to be someone with a connection to Golden Freddy. If it was a retcon then Scott lied about the one retcon not changing the lore that much and we need a UCN remake XD
Golden Freddy being next to springtrap does not mean he is the vengeful spirit. In fact it’s actually meant to reflect the duality of fredbear and springbonnie. Missing right and left ear. NO VENGEFUL SPIRIT INDICATIONS, they’re supposed to be opposites of each other, the bear of vengeance is Cassidy who tries her best to kill the fox (William), it looks like I just admitted Cassidy is the vengeful spirit but I didn’t, being vengeful ≠ being toysnhk. In the week before Ralph called Fritz (foxy) the vengeful spirit but we know he can’t be toysnhk.
This is possible, though calling a connection to the man who is being tormented and the one animatronic that is referenced EVERYWHERE in UCN does seem a little odd no? As you'd also yes have the bear of vengeance, in the game about a vengeful spirit, being reflected to be Golden Freddy, You'd have Golden Freddy being the 14th cutscene, the 7th bear of vengeance cutscene, the 14th locker that represents Golden Freddy, with the 15th being William/Springtrap, the 14 stars with one colored white, Fredbear being the 7th secret character, and Toy Chica being the 7th in the roster who represents William, and every 700 points you get an intermission. There's a clear connection to these 2 characters in this game. Now whether or not it changed later in the timeline is up to you! Also please remember, it's just a theory and saying that something is meant a certain way isn't true with FNAF, it's an interpretation, just like this theory! There's very little we actually truly know about FNAF, we still don't even know the year of FNAF 1.
This is such a fun crack head theory. Even though I have always been a Golden Freddy being UNC's mastermind guy and all that so 14 Theory doesn't really do much for me, but this is the most fun I have had watching a theory video in a while so kudos for that!
I like this theory, but I do have an issue with the idea of the number 14 specifically being important. If each cutscene is every 700 points and there's a total of 50 characters, then Scott didn't choose to make it 49/20, he had to because it's the last number that divides cleanly by 7. Which means that 14 cutscenes is the maximum he could have added while still maintaining the 7 motif. I think Scott wanted to make the number 7 important (7th game and 7th night) and then 14 was just a number that coincided with the 50 animatronics he planned to add.
Totally possible, though with how much 14 shows up I do think it's important alongside number 7. It's just how we found stuff out, 14 came up first so we went with that. Plus there's more going on with 14 and Golden Freddy than 7.
I went back to UCN to see if I could find anything for a future theory post we might've missed and I decided to take another listen to the UCN soundtrack (mainly because I like it) and I don't know why I decided to do this, or why it's me who usually finds this discrete ass shit but for some reason I got the feeling to look at the song tempos for any numerical clues and I found something undeniably huge if true I'm not even fucking kidding if you add up all the song tempos that play in-game (not including cutscenes) you get 640, which is half of 1280. I was actually so caught off guard when I found this I couldn't wait to include it in my next theory, I found this like 5 minutes ago These are all the song tempos: Sleep No More - 130 bpm Sonata for The Fallen - 70 bpm Hibernating Evil - 120 bpm Eisoptrophobia - 110 bpm Where Dreams Die - 140 bpm Last Breath - 70 bpm All add up to 640. 640*2=1280 Leon Riskin possibly confirming Stitchline with an unnoticed detail 6 years later. I legit didn't even think this would work. What the fuck
I do think that's interesting however I don't know if that was intentional that scott was looking into bpms to solve lore. If so though that'd be absolutely insane! Edit: wait did you copy and paste a reddit post?
It's just so weird that there is shading on the white star if you blow it up and the shading makes no sense either. As for some reason it starts with light gray at the top and white at the bottom.
So, while golden freddy is important I think the 14 has so many more meanings. I mean for one micheal afton is represented as a teen when the bite happened. William has atleast in game been to freddy's for 14 nights 5 in fnaf 2 5 in fnaf 1 and 4 more nights before his death. and even if that isn't true with the is he or is he not dead before fnaf 1 debate one thing is for sure, he is already covered by the 14 kids. Fnaf 4 has 14 toys all through (5 plushes, 3 toys in the park, Mangle, Spring bonnie puppet, and the 4 "toys" in the bedroom (the robot, the phone, the catapiller, and the plastic fan)). The afton family is a set of 14s Circus Baby tells a story that ends in 14 "There were two, then three, then five, then four." (Yes ik elizabeth happened, but seeing the story of "4 then 3 then 2 then 1 i interpret that as the "then four" slowly leaving). 14 is an afton signature. The final nail in the coffin. How may endings did we have at this point Fnaf 1 - 1, you do all 7 and get fired Fnaf 2 - 1, 6 nights, and a custom night staring someone else Fnaf 3 - 2, Good and Bad Fnaf 4 - 2, Bite, and Box Fnaf SL - 2, Real and Fake Fnaf 6 - "6", Good/Bad, BlackListed, Insanity, Lore Keeper, Mediocre, and Bankruptcy (I only consider the Good/Bad as one as they are just the send off to the other ending and can be used interchangeably for example you can get mediocre, with the good and the bad ending. You can go bankrupt on the path to the good or bad ending. End of the day we know the good ending happened and not the bad one). That makes a grand total of 14 endings till this point. There is genuinely so many more but I don't think all of them matter.
That in some aspect, whoever the Vengeful Spirit is, NEEDS to have a connection to Golden Freddy/Fredbear. It also tells us who Toy Chica would represent and what further lockers may belong to which will be elaborated on in a future video!
I think you're missing some connections with Michael and Rockstar Foxy. Michael's last game: FNAF 6 Michael's death: FNAF 6 Michael's favourite character: Pirate Foxy FNAF 6 Animatronics: The Rockstars and Mediocre Melodies Rockstar Foxy, a character without possession, & Michael Afton burned together in FNAF 6. Unoccupied Foxy reincarnation: Perfect host for Cassidy to tie Michael to in order to haunt William Afton in purgatory. Rockstar Foxy references fire, of which Foxy burned in with Michael, but it's also the 2nd time Michael was involved with burning William. Also a small minor thing for Henry and Mr. Hippo Mr. Hippo talks to Afton like he's an old friend being caught up Mr. Hippo goes on long monologues, one of the most famous parts of FNAF 6 is Henry's monologue/what Henry is most known for. Mr. Hippo talks like a lonely good natured old man whose views are centered around coping. Basically, Henry.
I will say these are solid connections! The biggest issue is saying it was flat out Pirate Foxy unless I'm just forgetting something from FNAF lore which is totally possible! Though I do find it interesting that yeah, Rockstar Foxy is a character without possession so thus could be used by the vengeful spirit to represent Michael if they so choose, though that's also hard to find more evidence for! We did talk about the Mr.Hippo stuff and these are all good points though we need something that will flat out confirm Henry, like some sort of detail about him in UCN that shows he's meant to represent Henry, but good connections! W comment and connections! Keep theorizing! You're on a good roll here!
@@NarrowRaven I don't think anywhere flat out says it's Pirate Foxy (typical FNAF amirite) However there is hints via continuous association. Such as; Michael is always using Foxy's mask when tormenting Dave/Crying Child so much that Dave seemingly tore Foxy plush's head off In Fazbear's Frights: Step Closer the Michael stand in tries to scare his younger brother, the Dave stand in, by locking him in a closet with Foxy. (There's a bit more paralleled than just the prank to support it being a stand in, such as; a guilt over going too far with the prank, and a bunch of gum references with Pete, the MIchael stand in, and in the Survival Logbook Mike/Michael says his bad habit he wants to beat is chewing gum excessively) Fritz is the name of the spirit who most agree is possessing Classic Foxy, and in FNAF 2's last night you're theorized as being Michael using a fake name, that fake name is Fritz Smith, so Michael would be using the child's name that was stuffed into Foxy In UCN's anime scenes it is Freddy vs Foxy. In the first one the Bear is going to attack Foxy as it is the Bear's birthday and nobody would think he'd attack on his own birthday. This is usually seen from what I know as a stand in for Dave and Michael, like a childs imagination of getting revenge on his older brother. Michael would be Foxy in this situation who has been tormenting Freddy, just like Michael was doing IRL to Dave with the Foxy Mask, so IMO it checks out. Also the reference to it being Freddy's birthday. To be fair, it's Freddy Fazbear, brown fur. Not Fredbear, yellow fur. But I personally still think it holds up. (This one is just my own personal theory) In UCN's High School Years scenes Foxy is the first victim off screen. Since all of the killings through here are references to William's killings, not necessarily in order, I believe the reason Foxy was killed off screen was because Afton killed Michael by sending him to Sister Location, but didn't actually do it himself. Michael and Cassidy? help Dave remember his name using the Foxy Grid in the Survival Logbook Overall, Foxy was represented the most in the Survival Logbook which is supposed to be "Michael Afton talking to Dave and Cassidy". His picture is *everywhere*, not just the Foxy Grid. I think there's probably a few more connections as well but I struggle to remember things on the spot. I seem to remember hearing about another book reference where Foxy was a stand in for Michael but I might just be misremembering something. Once again true to FNAF nature there's no "My dad's favourite was Bonnie" like Cassie's dad got. Though if you follow the theory that Cassie's dad is Bonnie Bro, and Bonnie was his favourite, you could link that back to Michael choosing Foxy's mask because Foxy was his favourite and so on. That all said those are some of the reasons that Foxy is generally regarded as Michael's favourite.
I haven't watched the video in Full, so I don't know if you mentioned this already: 7 is an important number alongside 14 because While the 14th UCN Slot belongs to Golden Freddy, the SEVENTH slot belongs to Toy Chica. I always wondered WHY characters like Withered Freddy and Endo-01 were not included in UCN. Now I know WHY. Edit: FUUUCCCCCKKKKK!
Damn... I'ma be fully honest I did not expect to believe this theory in the slightest but holy hell. That is actually really solid. (More proof Andrew isn't real let's gooo!) I will admit the sub evidence falls hella short but it's sub evidence it's not too important. And honestly I think the theory works better without the sub evidence. But yeah all this really is to me is further proof that Cassidy, or moreso Golden Freddy, is the main thing behind ucn and the vengeful spirit. And the journey you three went on reminds me a lot of the rabbit hole I went donw discovering shadowtrap. I will actually note though some things I find more interesting myself. The number 7 is one that's always important in fnaf since the first game there's always been 7 nights, fnaf usually revolves around the core seven of William the mci and Charlie. I don't doubt this theory at all. Kudos my good sirs. And I think I might actually make a second comment yo speculate further on the lockers in Toy Chica the high school years as I've been wondering something about them for a while now.
I just realized: William, seven letters, Michael, seven letters, Cassidy, seven letters, Eleanor, seven letters. This is like One Piece abd Oda's number obsession god damn it. Htf did we not realize this?
There's so much stuff we didn't use due to them being a stretch however there's also stuff we haven't used as a result of this because of it being a whole different topic! The 7 core characters in the base 3 is quite interesting too! Nice find though sadly it's not a UCN find. Thank you so much for liking the theory! We worked so hard on this! That initial discovery of the 14 locker is what sent us down this whole spiral and I am sure more will be shown in the future!
@@NarrowRaven No problem. Hell of a good job. Also besides the name thing of William and Cassidy having 7 letters I just realized spiritual alchemy has 7 stages along with the number 7 being really important in alchemy overall: Oh my god I think I'm going to freak out the community might've just had a damn breakthrough.
@@Prince_Zero-10Speaking of Cassidy having 7 letters, in TDreads’ UCN stream video someone talked about the CassidyAndrews theory (given that Andrew is becoming more unlikely) and I pointed out that Cassidy Andrews has 14 letters. It could just be a coincidence, which is more likely, but it’s still an interesting detail.
@@Lmf06 For a split second I thought you kiscounted and it was 15 nvm you right. I don't like the theory much put it would make sense. Andrew is gone though whoooo!
Maybe, however that would be a stretch for UCN times as we had no clue of a 6th missing kid yet, and with RTTP just messing with stuff. It's a possibility but idk at the moment. We will just have to wait and see what happens with Andrew in the future!
Just a question: with the association with the number five with golden Freddy, could that also be they were the 5th one killed? Thanks in advance for the help!
Totally possible if the 1 and 4 is meant to represent the separation of the 5th victim! Though the death order of the MCI isn't too important as they were all killed on the same day on June 26th, 1985. I'd see what you can find and maybe there's something there!
@ Thank you, I may try to. But it was just an idea. I was thinking since there are multiple different theories about Golden Freddy’s spirit(s), so in my head it could change the order depending on what child truly possesses them (which still confusing for me).
Wait, we found out this white star because of the Crying Childs bedroom, wich has been heavily theorized to also possess Golden Freddy. I could be onto nothing, but seeing as only one star and the slanted nr 14 gave birth to this video, I am pretty confident in this.
That is quite interesting! Also the dots in the FNAF SL map that revolve around the FNAF 4 stuff add up to 14. Quite interesting... good connection here!
@NarrowRaven Thanks man, great video and even more importantly, great theorizing and overanalyzing. Also, quite interesting indeed that the 14 theory reachss SL as well. Maybe there is something more to it in the more recent games and dlcs? We could be on the beggining of a find of unimaginable impact. Maybe connections that we never thought of might be so clear with this, maybe others that we thought were cemented, are completely debunked with it. Maybe Im overestimating it, but this is what FNaF is about, theorizing and more theorizing, and in the end a full and complete timeline. Sorry for the yapping 😅 I forgot how interesting unveiling lore in the scary bear game is.
@@JanyLived Even Steelwools accidentally took fan models. Like the only thing that hinted it being a fanmade icon was the slightly darker spots in the eyes.
I guarantee you Unwithered didn't know about that! It happens sometimes, I've done it myself. Finding the actual images for game icons can be such a pain, especially with UCNs.
Q: if you reverse 14, you get 41. And Rockstar Chica is the 41st character and is by rockstar foxy? But do you think Rockstar Chica actually matter? (Like is she Mrs Afton/MCI/DCI/Andrew/Henry or anyone)
Sorry but this scott reddit post just points into frights giving basic awnsers to *big debates* on the community TOYSNHK debate specifically Over the next few years there are a *lot of projects planned, and most are very story driven. Lots of the later stories will answer some of the biggest questions from the fan base over this past year, in my opinion.* Very few people will likely ever feel completely satisfied, as there are just too many head canons out there and so many great ideas on where the story could go, but I think there are good things to be found for people who are looking. *All I can do is say that some questions will be answered;* even if it may not always be the answer you wanted. Be patient. Let me at least say this; future games will look forward; *but look to the novels to fill in some of blanks to the past!* The post was made on *2019* *biggest questions from PAST YEAR* (2018) when ucn came out Isn't that awnsering that andrewTOYSNHK is correct
We don't know how many or if they did in FNAF lore. As the only thing we know of in terms of kidnapping could be Rory if Tales is now in continuity. As the one day they were operational, it was shut down day one and they were stuck in the bunker for a while too. It's hard to say if they did kidnap any and if so, how many?
think I know what 14 means, it was how many people got killed before the Afton springlocking, hear me out.. So if we count all of the people that died in Fnaf, we would get Charlie, Dave, Elizabeth, MCI, and DCI. But that only equals up to 13 deaths in total, so where’s the 14 death. ANDREW. Golden Freddy being the 14th character is showing that Andrew was the last victim of William Afton and the 15th death would be Afton, which lines up with the character roster. So this means that Andrew does indeed possess Golden Freddy so Goldentrio theory is in fact true. In Toy Chica Highschool years, She kills 7 victims and the last one probably represents TOYSHK based off of how brutal the death was. So since the 7th victim represents vengeful spirit, then if you split 14 in half then you get 7 which lines up with the death order in Tchica years. 14 represents Andrew being the 14th and last victim of William Afton and the 15th death is William Afton and Andrew splits his soul between Golden Freddy and Afton. Speaking of soul splitting.. Here’s my evidence that Andrew split his soul between the two. So we know that the 7th victim of Toy Chica represents TOYSNHK and Toy Chica is the 7th character in the UCN roster. So this is showing that he split his soul with Golden Freddy and Afton. And remember, splitting 14 would give you 7 which would then give you Toy Chica. Golden Freddy is also the 14th intermission as well. VENGEFUL SPIRIT HAS 14 LETTERS. So, I think the debate on the Vengeful spirit’s identity is finally over. It’s confirmed that Golden Freddy is the Vengeful Spirit and Andrew has really strong and compelling evidence on him being the last victim and being the 14th victim before Afton. (I think Dave also spilt his soul between Mike and Fredbear/Golden Freddy but that’s a different discussion)
Thank you so much! We worked so hard on this to get it out to you all fast while making it look good! We've been talking about the other lockers as of late and other possible mysteries and may make another video that will be almost a part 2 to this! We found some more 14s and some further connections that I think will blow people's minds!
Totally possible, very hard to choose if it's Cassidy, Andrew, or CC, since we know that in some aspect, they either possess Golden Freddy or would be connected to UCN.
@NarrowRaven yes but then again it wouldn't matter because Scott made UCN as a non canon game, at least that's what i read.Perhaps it ended up being one big troll by Scott.
Unlikely you see this, but I wish to point out: Marionette is next to Golden Freddy and the star closest to The white star happens to be half-white, be it coincidence or not, it is partially influenced by white. This likely is just the white star is glowing but... there is that chance. Also, both Golden Freddy and Marionette are the most "Magical" of the victims... Both being able to do things nothing else can.
That is an interesting detail and I do plan on mentioning the marionette in a part 2 however I don't think that would mean anything personally. Though good find! Also I read all of my comments! It's just hard to reply to them all!
@@NarrowRaven I think that this factor is important for another reason: Marionette kinda... stopped being important out of nowhere, but scott said he did only 1 major retcon and nobody noticed, so I think we've heavily missed what the marionette/puppet had in the lore because for them to suddenly not be important despite being the necromancer is...
Ok...i get it...but what did the theory gave us? Like... it's cool,but what do we get from this 14?like - ok,William potentially killed 14 kids(possibly).And it means that the one who created the Pirgatory for William is Golden Bear(which badically everybldy already thought). Sooooooo...what did we find out?Like - i wanna know what do we get from it?Like - can you use these 14 in some other games to solve something?I think it was interesting that the Fnaf 4 of all places had the 14 stars with 1 being white,and i thiught it was going somewhere,but it didnt.Maybe you should spend like 17 more days once again looking though games with the bumber 14 in mind?)
Which FNAF 3 teaser? I looked at all of the FNAF 3 teasers and the UCN teasers and none of them have stars minus the UCN one I brought up in the video.
I don't think it'd solve the whole timeline but once we explore some later stuff in another video, it just might lead to something people aren't expecting...
Could be a bit of a stretch, but seeing as Scott Cawthon is a Christian and he has made several games in the past based on the faith, it is certainly worth considering the following, especially as it relates to 14 theory. In Christianity, seven as a number is a pretty big deal. Something that often comes to mind with the number seven is the Seven Deadly Sins. But there is also the opposite (or reflection) of the cardinal sins: the seven cardinal virtues. Taken into consideration together, that gives us 14. The FNaF franchise seems to have a lot of references to reflection/reflecting, and to undoing the evils of William Afton, with Henry being the “virtuous” reflection of Afton’s villainy.
Solid theory, although as someone with experience with 3D graphics (especially Scott’s) I can tell that one star isn’t meant to be white. It just stands out from the other stars because it’s the only star that’s positioned right below the ceiling lamp, meaning it’s at the right angle to reflect the light right back at the camera. Fun fact: Not the only time this confusion has happened! In Nightmare Fredbear’s extras menu render, the reflection makes one of his black buttons buttons look white, and Steel Wool would misread and actually make one of his buttons white in Help Wanted!
I do want to say that in Clickteam games, they aren't 3d models! At least the rooms aren't, it's an optical illusion Scott did. Though what's weird about that star is there's hardly any shading on it whereas others that are very close to it do. Plus the lighting in a 3d model wouldn't be directly above it, more so the center of the room, so it'd still be weird. Though it is good to point out, though it's hyper weird for some reason.
Before watching I would like to say that I view 14 as an unlucky number because every goes to shit on 14th days. So I bet whatever the theory is it’s correct
Interesting connection tbh. Though as solid as this theory is, it is just a theory so do leave some room for it to be incorrect as FNAF can sometimes be FNAF XD
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Okay, even as a guy that is pretty outspoken about believing Golden Freddy is not orchestrating UCN, I gotta admit this is pretty solid. Great work yall!
Thank you! It was so much fun making this video! For a while I wondered if Golden Freddy really did anything with UCN but this just helps confirm it even more in our eyes!
Can I ask what you think the golden Freddy final cutscene means?
Honestly that's what always threw me off. Because if GF isn't orchestrating it i dont really understand the purpose nor importance of that cutscene
@@mochapoke3100 I think it's the bad ending where the vengeful spirit doesn't move on. If you get the OMC ending, that's the vengeful spirit moving on, thus letting William die, which is what we know happens. If we beat 49/20 mode, it's the vengeful spirit staying behind to continue to torment William. Though that's my personal thoughts.
@@mochapoke3100 you have a super cute pfp ❤
Another point about Rockstar Foxy relating to Michael is that he sometimes helps Springtrap and sometimes kills him, which would be good evidence for the popular theory that Michael helped William in some capacity at some point, even if not with murdering people. He certainly helps William in Sister Location.
Good point! Though I do want to say is that this does ride on it being intended to keep counting past Golden Freddy. We don't know if Michael was ever aware of helping William either so I don't know if MikeAccomplice is a good version of the theory. As I don't think Michael helped William with anything knowingly.
@NarrowRaven Doesn't Sister Location end with a speech that literally says "Just like you said" which implies that William asked him to do something and gave him specific instructions?
@@LillithlroAnd wasn't that to put Elizabeth back together.
Wait a sec:
Number 15: Burger King Foot Lettuce
Springtrap is number 15. And he's GREEN! LIKE LETTUCE!
BURGER KING FOOT LETTUCE SOLVES FNAF LORE! XD
There's a burger restaurant chain called Freddy’s and William was (most likely) banned from the pizzerias, and as we all know the last you would want in your burger is someone's foot fungus. William was banned for putting his feet in the lettuce.
Oh god in the logbook on the page that has the puppet give cake to a kid there's 14 in tallymarks
Just checked this and omg you're right, this actually might spark a part 2!
@@NarrowRaven Wait, isn’t it theorized that the kid is Cassidy? Especially after RttP, where the Happiest Day receiver is implied to be Cassidy?
@@Lmf06indeed!
@@gameslayer3976 Could this support the idea that Cassidy is the Vengeful Spirit? I mean, 14 theory indicates that Golden Freddy has a strong connection to TOYSHNK and Cassidy is heavily implied to possess him, and with the tallymarks in the Happiest Day illustration being 14 in total…
@ it is certainly worth noting, though the line “I’ve seen him, the one you should not have killed” implies that the spirit is male. Alternatively it could be interpreted as Golden Freddy’s gender being used, though everyone there had pretty much seen him.
THE NUMBERS WILLIAM! WHAT DO THEY MEAN!?!
Wait wait wait... The Man in Room 1280 is the... 15th story in the frights series?? That... kinda seems important, no?
The story about William's torture is in the 15th story spot, just like he is in the 15th roster spot in UCN... the game where William is tortured... just like in the aforementioned frights story...
And the fact that William is represented by the number 15 doesn't have to come from just a being on a locker in UCN. After watching TDreads' video on this topic, I questioned why Scott might've chosen these numbers, and decided to look into something I thought of; Tarot Cards.
The 14th Tarot came up as "Temperance"... perhaps representing Golden Freddy's temprement, aka anger towards William... and the 15th came up as... "The Devil"... Straight up just connecting to William. Because in UCN he's literally referred to as a "Demon" by Old Man Consequences. So William is represented by 15 because he's "The Devil" basically, the 15th Tarot.
If Scott looked into Tarot cards, this might just be why he decided to use 15 as a number to reference William. Tarots could've played a role in more of his story-telling decisions as well. After all, we now have a Fortune-Teller character in Fnaf: Help Wanted 2, so who knows? Maybe we should look into them more too.
Anyways, great theory Raven and everyone. Love the creativity! It's crazy to think we're still discovering new details in these games!
The reason we didn't use it is because that story came out after UCN, so it felt like a stretch but is possible so that's why I brought it up!
Also HOW DO YOU JUST KNOW THAT ABOUT TAROT CARDS?! XD It is interesting though idk if Scott would've done that.
And thank you so much! It means the world to me and I can't wait to make more content and work with more theorists!
@@NarrowRavenpuppet is 13 and Springtrap is in 15 in roster of UCN. They both between Golden Freddy
@@grimmason7377 Tarot Card 13 is "Death"
Charlie was Afton's first victim. The first death on Afton's hands. The Puppet is also associated with reversing death, giving life to the other animatronics.
Tarot cards can be reversed or flipped upside down. A reversed card can be read multiple ways; it can be interpreted as the opposite of the card's upright meaning, or that the card's upright meaning is somehow blocked, concealed, ignored or delayed. It can also be read as an indication that the "action" of the card is happening - or needs to happen - internally.
Does the number 7 also mean anything relevant in Tarot? I feel like the fact that said number pops up just as much as 14 might mean something other than it being just half of 14
my only idea for mr. hippo being a representation of henry is how, in pizza sim, he ends the game by monologuing. mr. hippo is notorious for his long-winded, rambling stories that don't matter. if ucn is william's purgatory, then mr. hippo feels like a cartoonified, over-exaggerated representation of how tedious conversations with henry are for william. but that's just a silly idea i had.
excited to tune into the stream later today!
That's what we were thinking with the monologuing but it falls flat after that which kinda sucks. I wish we had more to go off on for Mr.Hippo and Henry if there is a connection.
@@NarrowRaven Mr. Hippo has two stories about birds dying. One about him seeing the bird population gradually decline after failing to warn a man about feeding the birds sourdough as it is poison to that bird species. The other is about him having a debate with Orville about whether the birds are frozen or not. Orville denies the birds are frozen and Hippo eventually comes to the conclusion the birds are dead, not just frozen.
Both instances seem like telling about Henry witnessing the missing children, but denying its happening (the birds/children are simply disappearing or are just frozen), until it is too late.
Michael as rockstar foxy makes sense additionally because Micheal can buy him in fnaf 6. Additionally, Mr Hippo as Henry works because in one of his stories he talks about birds disappearing and it is a pretty good parallel to william killing the kids.
Interesting connection with Henry and Mr.Hippo. I just wish we had something to flat out be like, OH YEAH THATS A HENRY CONNECTION! It's so hard to do that at the moment, but solid connection if you view it that way!
This video deserves 14,000 likes!
14,700 likes XD
And 9,800 comments
And some piss
While checking the logbook I realized that Puppet appears on page 98, completely alone. Turns out 98 divided by 14 is 7. Just saying
This is the kind of theory that makes discovering new theorists fun. It takes something from this franchise and looks at it in a new way. This then opens the door to further discussion and lets new ideas and possibilities be considered. It makes me think about different possibilities I had not thought of before. While it will take me some time to decide weather or not I believe this theory, I really like what the three of you have found. Great work everyone.
I have come to my own conclusion as to what Golden Freddy and 14 might mean. In HyperDroid's video where he reveals Bite Vitcim's name might be Dave, he discuesses how the tally marks in the Security Log Book may very well have just been meant to point readers towards the puzzle that reveals Cassidy's name, and that we all just came to the conclusion of the puzzle before the first step was revealed. In other words, the cause and the effect were reversed, and because of that nobody knew what the Tally Marks meant.
I believe something similar is happening with the 14th Locker. Toy Chica representing Springtrap is used as supporting evidence that locker 14 represents Golden Freddy since locker 15 can be argued represents Springtrap. But the only reason we believe that is because people believe Toy Chica's cutscenes relate to how William kidnapped children over the years.
I argue that people were suppose to notice the slanted 14 before coming to that conclusion. When people realize that the number 14 represents Golden Freddy, they would then look to the right, and see Springtrap next to him, and connect that back to Toy Chica, which then reveals that when she discuesses all these ways of luring these people to her house was actually revealing key information about Springtrap and the MCI.
Thus, the cause and the effect were reversed.
This... is actually a huge W of a comment.
@@NarrowRaven omg thank you
@@InferiorityComplex55 Like this actually had me thinking for a second and I can't even see a problem with it. It makes sense to me!
@@NarrowRaven yaayyy!!!
Again thank you so much to TDreads and Unwitheredtruth for coming on the channel and for working on this theory with me! It was so much fun and such an honor to work with these two as well as everyone else in the stream! I hope to be back there sometime soon!
Make sure to be there for the livestream on our channels on Jan 2nd. 7pm CST! It's gonna be really fun and you're gonna have some cool debates!
Also there's a LOT of stuff that we didn't use and there's also more stuff we found that we may or may not explore in another video at some point!
Something that's worth pointing out.
The *6th* star obtainable in the series is FNAF 2 10/20, aka Golden Freddy mode. Cassidy was Afton's 6th victim, represented in the 6th Toy Chica cutscene in UCN. The miscolored star in the UCN office is the 6th star from the left.
The *9th* star obtainable in the series is FNAF 3's good ending, Happiest Day. The miscolored star is also the 9th from the right.
This explains the specific placement of the miscolored star, on top of two different connections to Cassidy based on which side you count from
4:39 this feels more like a nod that toy chica is indeed William Afton rather than CassidyTOYSNHK confirmed
We never once bring up Cassidy or Andrew in this theory video as it's your choice to believe whether it's Cassidy or Andrew. We are just saying you need a connection to Golden Freddy for it to be the vengeful spirit!
@@NarrowRaven What about Withered Chica's locker connection to Nightmare (Fredbear). They both have five lines each, that could connect up.
No one is saying that Cassidy is CONFIRMED TOYSHK. Chill bro…. Chill
@@NarrowRaven No you do not need a connection to golden freddy to be the vengeful spirit. Nightmarionne is the face of UCN but why isn’t anyone saying Charlie is the vengeful spirit? Oh it’s because she despises the nightmares but so does Cassidy, almost every depiction of Cassidy is just wanting him dead. Bear of vengeance, Princess quest, FNAF 3.
14 theory doesnt seem to add anything new or groundbreaking... we already knew that Goldie is behind UCN. Is there something I'm missing?
There is a monster debate if Golden Freddy even matters in UCN. It also explains more of the cutscenes to us and helps drive a connection between Golden Freddy and William Afton, something we've been missing from UCN. As the only connection we have would be Golden Freddy being an MCI kid. Nothing that UCN really tells us. However this tells us that Golden Freddy alone has a connection to William in this game and isn't just used for some weird reason. It will also lead to other things that will be explored in future episodes! If we explored EVERYTHING in this episode, it'd be such a long video.
It also tells us that if you want it to be Cassidy, Andrew, Mike or whoever, they NEED to be in some way connected to Golden Freddy/Fredbear in some way.
It’s a great theory and I love the detail and thought into it. It’s a fun watch and has good evidence, but it’s just more to the pill of evidence that Golden Freddy is behind UCN. Narratively speaking, Golden Freddy is just the only character that makes sense to be the Vengeful Spirit.
The big question we should be asking regarding UCN is who possesses Golden Freddy. Are they Cassidy, Andrew, CC, or all three. If it’s all three, then we need to ask who controls UCN because The ONE You Should Not Have Killed can’t be multiple kids at once.
You guys... FNAF 1 was released in 2000... and 14.
🤯
ngl this may be my favorite coincidence about all this lmao
I watched the entire TD Reads livestream now I'm here watching your video and I've gotta say that it's a great discovery and theory! Can't believe people didn't notice this before.
As supporting evidence, there's also the fact that Rockstar Foxy, which is supposed to represent Michael, is the only animatronic that helps you.
I am surprised it wasn't mentioned that "14" could also mean 2014, the year the first two FNAF games were released. I'd mention there being 14 or 15 animatronics in those games, but there's 17, and that ruins the fun (Thanks Golden Freddy, RWQFSFASXC, and Shadow Freddy)
Also interesting! I didn't think of that!
(this only applies if you believe in Kelsey=Cassidy)
In TNK, it is said that Devon is in 9th grade, and because of them, Kelsey was in the same grade
Ninth grade students in the US education system are between 14-15 years old…
That is interesting! I do want to say this though, with stories that came after UCN I'm a little nervous to use as evidence as it wasn't in mind when UCN came out, though those stories are meant to fill in blanks so it's hard to know what I should use for evidence and what I shouldn't!
What I think it's the funniest about these streams, it's the fact that the details are SO obscure. I would NEVER have randomly just start counting the damn starts in the FNAF 4 office.
IKR, it's so funny that when TDread pointed out the white star we all went. HOW MANY ARE THERE?! It's so funny and random and I love it. I hope to go back on those streams sometime soon! So much fun!
OMG. So that's why Rockstar Foxy mechanic is helping the player. Because we're Williams and Michael has always his helper
Possibly, however I don't know if Michael was ever aware that he might've been helping William if MikeAccomplice is in continuity. Though it does add evidence that Michael did help in some way if it was intended to keep counting past Golden Freddy.
I’m pretty sure the 1 white star is white because the light is being shined on it almost directly. U can see this in the star next to it , it has a slight gradient to it.
We did look into this and as it is true, it's a gray coloration and there is color differentiation on the white star in different parts of it. Specifically a light gray at the top and a pure white at the bottom which makes no sense in shading at all but it's there. It is also a yellow light, so it shouldn't be turning it pure white either. It should look black to light gray like in the other stars if it was a black star.
It’s certainly highly unlikely that these numbers specifically just so happen to be used in such a way that it just so happens to be linked back to the very same character that just so happens to be highly emphasized in UCN. That would be one hell of a coincidence.
7:22 lol I wasn't expecting "FREDBEAR" I don't know why i found this so funny but my face hurts from laughing too much
When I saw unwithered's part that also made me die laughing XD
The base Fredbear that arrives from Golden Freddy would represent Dave, the death coin method required to get the jump scare, bears similarity to his death scene in fnaf 4 night 6, Nightmare Fredbear is an offshoot of this animatronic according to the Freddy files books, he and Nightmare are listed in the Animatronics inventory of fnaf 4 as; "A giant terrifying version of the Fredbear we've been seeing in the mini games." The ONLY sentence beyond that merely seperates them by colour palette, meaning they are virtually identical otherwise. Like how agony and remnant are the 2 halves of spirit in the fazbear frights books. Another thing of note is in Fnaf 4 night 6, the last words Dave hears come from his Fredbear plush, who SL revealed via the private room, to be William Afton talking through a walkie talkie. So Golden Freddy and Spring trap being next to eachother MIGHT also be a reference to this.
Could be a reference! There's a lot of stuff with Golden Freddy and the bite victim that we have investigated and might talk about in a future episode! Nice connection here!
8:13
I don’t where I’ve heard this, I’ve been following fnaf for close to 4 years so I don’t remember the exact date I learned every piece of information, but I ALWAYS knew that you didn’t have to beat 50/20 mode to get the golden Freddy cutscene. So hearing that again just now made me have a live Dawko reaction.
But other than that, this was a really interesting theory, I’m genuinely impressed and also glad it wasn’t something claiming that like the vengeful spirit is Gregory or something because it connects to the hairs on matpat’s arm and the amount of bowling balls in help wanted 2 or something lmao.
Thank you so much for liking the theory! I also forgot about the 49/20 being required for the 14th intermission and NOT 50/20 so hearing unwithered say that made me go OH I SHOULD PUT AN EDITORS NOTE FOR MY SECTION XD
Been LOVING the overanylizing streams🔥🔥
THEY ARE SO FIRE! I'm hoping to come back on sometime soon!
UCN is the 7th Game (William representing Toy Chica/Character 7) - THIS HELL WAS MADE FOR NUMBER 7 - WILLIAM
I have been looking for more number 7s and just can't find anything which SUCKS, though maybe in later games there's something...
1280 is equal to 10 times 2 to the power of 7
I think this is referring to the bpm of the songs added together? I do think it's interesting though I don't know if it was intentional that Scott was looking into the exact bpms to be related to 7 though it is an interesting find! Good job!
This is unironically peak. I think yall cooked here, great job! It was fun also watching that livestream.
I'd probably slightly disagree with the "dead kids counter" I'd probably say it's the 5 MCI, 6 DCI, Charlie, Elizabeth and Michael (who was sent to die by Willy pretty much), but thats very minor.
Absolutely loved this, and think it just shows even more that Golden Freddy is clearly the Vengeful Spirit.
Thank you so much! There's so many interpretations for what the overall 14 means, however I think it matters most that 14 is Golden Freddy, 15 is Springtrap, and past that could matter and may not!
Also thank you for watching that livestream! It was so much fun to be in it and to see everyone working together in the comments to solve everything! Absolute W comment!
@@NarrowRaven No problem! Keep with the great work. If I ever make a UCN video, I'm 100 percent gonna be referencing yalls work here.
This actually reminds me of a theory I saw on twitter from a user named shockburnt, it was about their possibly being 16 victims. It did the same thing with GF spirit being singled out from the other Missing Children.
This theory is so good honestly, and now I just need to decide if I think Cassidy is the TOYSHNK and Scott wants to retcon Andrew OR Andrew is in GF like in The New Kid.
That's kinda what we're at too. Who has a stronger connection to Golden Freddy and who would be more vengeful?
@@NarrowRaven yeah
@@NarrowRaven I think personally, if Cassidy DID get springlocked she (or he, idk) would be more vengeful but if not then I think Andrew would be since he is known in the books to hate William SO MUCH
If we think about the victims (not murders, but victims) we get:
6 gravestones in Lorekeeper (5 MCI and 1 outlier)
5 DCI bodies
3 Afton children (crunch, munch, and stench)
Henry chooses to stay behind and therefore is not a victim of William’s actions. The 15th death from William’s actions is William, which is why HS Toy Chica (William murder parallel) is in front of Locker 15.
14 is Golden Freddy, which implies (but does not confirm) that Cassidy and/or Andrew was an outlier to both the MCI and DCI and was killed separately. For evidence, I have your video about the possibility of Charlotte/Puppet being a member of the MCI.
My personal theory is that “the TDreads Lefty theory” is correct, but with a few minor changes. Lefty holds the MCI (5 stars on the drawing, 5 thousand dollars, bought for 5 dollars, 5 sewn corpses story) Molten Freddy holds the DCI (5 hundred dollar salvage, Candy Cadet 5 kids 1 key story), Scraptrap is made of the parts of GF and therefore holds CC (Dave) and Cassidy (or Andrew), Baby is obviously Elizabeth, and Michael is the player character.
So that makes FNAF 6:
5. 5. 2. 1. 1.
That makes 14.
14 deaths, 14 victims.
11:55 “break it in half” oh you get 7 “1 and 4” oh mb 😭🤣
my grandma trying to figure out when the rapture happens:
6:23 for withered chica: if you look up what 11 can be on a
Tarot card it is “justice”
Apparently…and 12(which is where withered Bonnie lands on) is…hanged man.
Number 10 tarot card(where JJ is) can be a culmination, completion, or the end of a cycle
9(where BB Is): you will get hermit if looking up what 9 on a tarot card is.
8: where mangle is….is strength(what tarot card 8 is)
7: where toy chica lands on…is reflection, reassessment, introspection, and a need to pause and analyze a situation before moving forward(what tarot card 7 is…and this is probably the opposite of that).
6: where toy Bonnie lands on is balance, harmony, support, nurturing(what tarot card 6 is)…which again…UCN is the opposite of that. The vengeful sprit just refuses and is too angry.
The number 5(for
Tarot card) where toy Freddy lands on in the roster is the number "5" typically represents a card signifying change, disruption, conflict, or a period of upheaval.
For 4; where foxy lands…stability, structure, and a sense of foundation; it signifies a period of consolidation, where things are settled and established, often associated with the Major Arcana card "The Emperor" which embodies authority and leaders.
For 3: where chica lands
On the roster…. In a tarot card, the number "3" generally represents creativity, growth, expansion, and a unifying force. Unifying against afton….
For 2 where Bonnie lands: In a tarot deck, the number "2" typically represents the "High Priestess" card, which signifies intuition, inner wisdom, subconscious awareness, and the need to connect with your deeper self; essentially, accessing knowledge beyond the conscious mind
For 1: where Freddy lands: In a tarot card, "1" typically represents a new beginning, fresh start, potential, creativity, and manifestation; most commonly associated with the "Magician" card, which is the first card in the Major Arcana and signifies the power to bring ideas into reality
Bring ideas into reality….UCN….
Also phantom Mangle is on the 16th roster spot…and for tarrot
Card 16 you would get “the tower”
Phantom Freddy 17: and on a tarot
Card 17: hope, renewal, positive energy, and healing potential; it is considered a very positive card representing a brighter outlook on life.
Key points about the "The Star" card (17):
Meaning:
Represents hope, optimism, renewal, and the ability to overcome challenges.
Symbolism:
Often depicted as a star shining brightly, symbolizing inner light and guidance.
Reversed meaning:
Can indicate a lack of faith, self-doubt, or feeling disconnected from one's inner strength
18: interestingly where phantom bb is…the tarot card for 18 is “the moon”.
19: where nightmare Freddy is…you will get positive card on target card 19…which one would be the exact opposite here.
20: nightmare Bonnie is on roster 20….which is judgment card on tarrot card 20.
21: Nightmare Freddy is 21th roster spot which is The World" on a 21 tarot card, which signifies completion, fulfillment, and the end of a cycle in the Major Arcana
22: nightmare is on 22 roster spot which is The Fool (tarot card 22).
23: Is again the hermit card.
27: Where OMC lands is the prodigy on Tarot card 27.
29: where Ballora lands on the roster spot…..and In a tarot card, the number 29 can represent the Domesticity Arcanum
31 where trash gang is Two of Wands Tarot Card. This means you are planning your future but you are taking a more realistic route on how to get to your goals
Could directly point towards the spirit hatred of William trashing his or her future via killing.
34 where mister hippo lands on is 34: Innovation on a tarot card.
35: where Pigpatch lands on….very interesting….tarot card 35 is “grief”.
36 where Nedbear lands on is the number 36 is often interpreted as a symbol of "Initiation," representing a transformative process of personal growth and the realization of one's full potential
38: where Orville lands on is art and science on a tarot card….hmm….
39 where rockstar Freddy lands on is knight of Cups on a tarot card.
41: where GlamRock chica lands on is In a tarot card, 41 can represent uneasiness, which can be a disheartened attitude
42 where music man is in roster spot is In a tarot deck, the number 43 is often interpreted as "Imagination," signifying a strong connection to creativity, inner vision, and the ability to manifest ideas through the power of the mind
44: where El Chips is…. In a tarot deck, the number 44 is often interpreted as "Thought
In the Eternal Tarot, the number 45 is associated with the card of Regeneration…45 is where Funtime chica lands on.
47 where scrap baby lands on In tarot, the number 47 can refer to several things, including:
The Emperor
This card represents an inspired leader who is bold like the returning sun.
Deduction
This card symbolizes the human virtue of knowing through inspiration. It is associated with the Moon, the letter Q, and the number 2.
47 of Sandwiches
This card can represent temporary satisfaction and a sense of loss. It can also represent anxiety leading to waste, such as making sandwiches out of fear that guests will go hungry.
Just thought you wanted to know….The pigpatch seems really detailing though since it’s grief
11:59-12:02 oh about that.:: type up what the 15th tarrot card will come up as and you will get “the devil”.
I saw someone else talking about the 15th tarot card and it's wild that two people SOMEHOW JUST KNOW THIS STUFF ABOUT TAROT CARDS XD But really interesting and I will take more time to look over this while looking at the UCN roster to see how many of these would connect to their characters and how and draw my own conclusion if this might've been intentional or not!
Great, now I'm going to have to add "any multiples of 7" to my list of tiny details to overthink in FNAF. Whenever I see 14 written in tally marks now I think my brain might overload.
This feels like a theory that I'll probably come round on to an extent eventually, its just a bit difficult to separate what seems intentional from what's coincidental when it comes to numbers of things.
I agree with it possibly being coincidental, though it does line up with Scott and how much he was using numbers to solve things at the time, ESPECIALLY with the logbook.
Also I'm not sorry for any damages I cause to your mental state looking for 7s and 14s XD
@ Oh I absolutely agree that you’re probably on to something here, I just meant that there’ll be a ton of times where 14 crops up and figuring out which are intentional and which aren’t will be tricky.
And don’t worry, I’d absolutely be blaming Scott for my impending insanity if it wasn’t very easy to prove I probably went insane years ago
I've been looking into 14s and 7s throughout the series in FNAF and so far, it's pretty difficult to find any which in a way supports the theory more since he was debating on having this game either UCN or a endless tycoon. So if it was planned during development, it makes sense why it only appears now, in a slightly earlier book, and maybe later...
also rockstar foxy is a rockstar animatronic, which is from fnaf 6, which micheal is the protagonist of
so we got fnaf 6 and a connection to fire and its foxy
This is a pretty good theory, and definitely has some interesting connections. The following are some thoughts I had while watching:
8:34 Honestly, I just think it does 49/20 in order to allow usage of the Death Coin, which removes the target Animatronic from the night totally, including any points you would have gained from it. Since using the Death Coin is still considered part of the 50/20 (or even general gameplay) strategy by players, limiting the score to _exactly_ 10,000 points would mean a much harder night as players are effectively banned from using one of the more directly effective tools available.
11:20 Okay, the white star being the 14th is totally arbitrary, as the stars themselves are not numbered and can thus be organized in any order. You could very well say it's the sixth star based on ordering them from left to right.
Most of the speculation section feels like it's just repeating what was already described to us earlier up until 11:55
Thank you! I do want to respond to some stuff first!
In 50/20 mode, even if you use the death coin, you still get the points for the one you death coined anyways, so it wouldn't require this change.
True! It is interesting left to right it's the 6th star!
The speculation was more building up to the 1 + 4 thing tbh though we also wanted to make sure people knew what happened in the stream too!
Thanks for being so chill about your complaints!
@@NarrowRaven No problem, and thanks for responding! I've been seeing some of the other guys' videos lately, so I might check out more of your channel later since this video is pretty well-structured and has some pretty solid reasoning.
13:04
In other words cassidy and the afton and emily families
Which would also be cassidy and everyone who was involved in pizzeria simulator (other than the mci kids) since i believe crying child is the one in the lead of molten freddy
Just go listen to molten freddy's voicelines with the idea that it's crying child in mind, they fit perfectly
"One big happy family!" molten freddy says when everyone else present is a member of the afton or emily families except for him...
Also, people will bring up that the vengeful spirit is refered to as a boy as counter evidence to the idea that they're cassidy (which is perfectly valid)
However, thanks to return to the pit we have a new deranged theory for that
Spoilers for it btw
In the ending where oswald prevents the mci from happening the girl who is clearly cassidy is described as having curly hair
The same description used for the kid inside golden freddy in the story "the new kid"
In that story what kelsey is gets left pretty ambiguos but it can be interpreted that he's a weird ghost-projection thing conjured up by golden freddy
Kelsey also talks about justice and when someone else defines justice as payback he doesn't like it...and yet under this interpretation that's exactly what he/golden freddy does in the end anyway
Almost like that scene is meant to convey that what kelsey defines as justice is an excuse and payback is what he really means deep down
So if the girl who is clearly cassidy having curly hair is meant to connect her to all this new kid stuff then there's our answer for why she's referred to as a boy
She's using kelsey, her weird golden freddy gijinka stand thing, while dispensing justice!
You could also say DCI in Lefty if you believe LeftyDCI! Though I do think this is solid! I also tell people that the Marionette, is referred to as a he, with Charlotte being referred to as a she. Meaning that it could happen here with Golden Freddy being a he and Cassidy being a she.
Also I'm going to get the books soon to read them so I'm intrigued to learn more about Kelsey!
Tbf, this might be the most solid piece of evidence for Golden Freddy having to be close to being the Vengeful Spirit.
Although there’s Andrew from Fazbear Frights and there’s everyone saying he’s not possessing Golden Freddy at all-
Quick moment! What if Andrew is associated with Golden Freddy because he and Goldie want the same goal in a way that’s intertwining both of them due to different views of their goals.
Cuz Andrew seems to be described with curly hair with the 5th kid as according to Return to the Pit…
(Meaning incoming spoilers)
Has curly hair and is a girl, whom is representing Cassidy that we all know about.
Be prepared but what if Andrew and Cassidy are twins?
And due to their association with UCN, it’s possible that they both suffered the same demise by getting Springlocked and that with Andrew saying that he latched onto Afton, it’s possible that part of Golden Freddy was close to William and latched onto him, leaving Cassidy being close to the Aftons and follow them with Andrew having to piggyback ride William throughout time.
Just in case, I wanted to throw this because both sides of the Vengeful Spirit debate has solid evidence, but it’s impossible to believe what’s likely or unlikely.
So in my stance, I might not glare over the Vengeful Spirit debate since I don’t want to ruin my mental health. But I do want to believe that the Vengeful Spirit is within or part of Golden Freddy.
This wan an amazing video and you’re an amazing collab theorist.
I do think there's a monster divide with the vengeful spirit with STRONG evidence on both ends. I do think it's interesting how they could have similar motives though being twins might be difficult but is possible! That's just gonna be hard to get evidence for in the end though.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts! Absolute W! I do think that this does prove that at least Cassidy, Andrew, whoever else it could be NEEDS to have a connection to Golden Freddy. And thank you so much for the compliment! It means the world to me!
@@NarrowRaven You’re welcome 👍
I feel weirded out that you grabbed the slushy it just affected my brain and a weird way
Something I haven't seen many people talk about is the way the office stars relate to toy chicas highschool years. The 6th star is white, and the 6th toy chica cutscene is the pigpatch victim, as we all know, the mediocre melodies are HEAVILY tied into vengeful
6:40 he’s says that because it’s what happens if you play risky and click on the parrot.
If you fool around with something that is potentially dangerous, you must expect to get harmed.
No connection to Mike since the fnaf 3 fire literally does nothing to William and we see him escape clean.
He also isn’t even the one to cause the fnaf 6 fire and William never even contributed to the fire starting
Yes you do have to in a way "play with fire" with his parrot, however if this is Pizza Sim Rockstar Foxy, we know William went there to essentially "play" because he was intrigued, as stated by his voice lines in Pizza Sim. William also does in a way "play with fire" throughout the whole series, ESPECIALLY with getting springlocked, and with Michael being the main chaser to William, it kinda makes sense. Though we do say it could be a stretch for a reason!
the mound is also by the 7th tree
It is interesting, however you do have to count backwards, and ignore the 6 trees behind it and the 2 at the bottom of the screen. It is interesting though! Nice find!
8:54 I think it’s just cuz Scott didn’t think 50/20 was possible. (And the reason he thought 49/20 was possible but not 50/20 was because of the aforementioned secret animatronics, who in 49/20 mode DD only summons at most 4 of them, and that’s rare. In 50/20, they’re all summoned)
To add more to this. The first game came out in 2014! Probably means nothing, but 14 seems to have a significant part in this series.
thanks for including my comment, lol. genuinely so fun to watch discoveries like this be made. you all cooked so hard with 14 theory, it is genuinely one of the most important realizations from the scott games in years. and great presentation with the video!
Of course! You did help with that 14th intermission info! I always try my best to credit those in the community that help if I remember! Thank you so much for liking the theory as well! It's going to open up to some really cool stuff later down the line!
This is exciting honestly! A solid theory that takes me back to prime Game Theory in 2014-2017
That is actually the biggest compliment I have ever gotten. Thank you so much! There's so much more coming like this trust me!
Alright now that this all started thanks to the lockers in "Toy Chica The Highschool Years", and 14 Theory is peak I want to share something I've actually also been speculating about thanks to the lockers which for the time being I will jokingly refer to as 16 Theory.
Something that has always bugged me if these intermissions were meant to represent William and his victims: There is no way to connect the victims in anyways that doesn't break the pattern. Even if you throw in Andrew
The most common interpretations are: Foxy CC, Freddy Mci victim 1, Wolf Susie/Mci victim x2, Toy Bonnie mci x3, Mangle mci x4, Puppet Charlie, and Pigpatch Cassidy/ mci x5.
Or swapping Charlie with CC and adding Andrew.
My main problem is this order is so odd and never explains why we don't see the first one. It also ignores Susie being the first victim, and given rttp Cassidy was likely the 4th victim. So in this interpretation I always found it random and unfitting. So I tried to study it until I cluld find a way to make the pattern make more sense.
And when I did this I saw something utterly confusing; "Why is handunit on locker 16?" And sure enough right there near the bottom hand unit is etched into the steel. And then it hit me flat in the face:
Toy Chica is Michael Afton
Their goal of "finding the perfect guy" is searching for his father. Each of their victims are actually just part of Michael's journey through the games with each. In fact I can more easily connect each way they're lured to be a refrenve to the game it represents.
The Wolf representing 4's gameplay the nightmares, lured by enticing him into the house woth cookies.
As a reminder the dog thing that supposedly connects to Susie goes against how she is actually lured. William explicitly tells her the dog is alive in Fruity Maze and Chica says it was run over in front of her house before talking about luring him with cookies. (there's also some evidence Fruity Maze isn't the mci but not important rn)
As for the other boys: Funtime Foxy is lured through several live hostages, Sister Location. Puppet, who is in 3, through just inviting him and then if he doesn't show breaking and then setting his house on fire, like how Michael sets Fazbear's Fright aflame. Pigpatch is kidnapped and the kidnapper blamed on someone random, Balllon Boy, which is a refrence to fnaf 6 and how Mike "kidnaps" the animatronics by salvaging them and he's the scape goat for Henry.
And Foxy is 4's mini games the only time we don't play as him in 4, Mike killing his brother being the start of his journey.
Personally I find this to make a lot more sense than the William interpretation. With it's only problem being Freddy and Toy Bonnie, which should be Fnaf 1 and 2 respectfully; I've yet to find a good way to explain how the luring method connects to the games. My best guess is 1 is a meta refrenvr to Scott working on making the game and 2 is Mike taking the blame for the dci maybe? Or maybe him taking the job after Jeremy? Still need to workshop it a bit.
Idk for sure but it does give us visible proof we play as Michael every game which a lot of people did and still do debate over. (Mostly him being the 3 and 6 guard(s))
I'm still not sure though and I'd love to hear your thoughts on it because i honestly don't know if I'm onto something or not. But something has to be here; Why put Handunit on the locker with what looks like nametags(?) above?
So this is coming from a theorist point of view and brutally honest!
It is interesting however there are issues, first is Michael is NOT a scape goat for Henry in Pizza Sim as Henry did want a scape goat, however it ended up being Mike and Mike was willing to do it anyways. But I can see it in a way of him still being a scape goat.
With any future game stuff, I think the best way to solve the games at this point is to see what the game tells us, and what the past tells us, so if we're looking at FNAF 4, we need to take into consideration the game of FNAF 4, previous games, and any other game that directly has FNAF 4 referenced or in it.
Toy Chica being Michael is interesting however, why wouldn't she be in front of the 16th locker and why wouldn't the 16th character be foxy or someone that would represent Michael.
Funtime Foxy and hostages, technically Mike and the FNAF 4 victim however there are several live hostages at once to our knowledge.
I can see Puppet representing fnaf 3.
FNAF 4 with wolf might be a stretch because we don't know how someone was lured down there in general.
Then yeah the issue with 1 and 2 is that's a hard one to figure out.
I do think after some more theorizing and buffing out this could be quite good! I just think there's some issues however I do want to make a locker video sometime soon! We've been talking about them A LOT behind the scenes and have come to some cool conclusions!
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Yeah it definitely needs more time to be fleshed out. And I can understand your points for the most part. (Admittedly you phrased them linda weirdly but I think I get what you mean)
I'm definitely not sure that it's right but I do think it's a decent enough idea to keep looking into to. Maybe I'll make into a video someday after the Shadowtrap video. (Learning to edit is hard)
And that's exciting can't wait for it!
I really like this theory. I don't necessarily believe it yet as it isn't quite as clean as @NarrowRaven's theory, but I really like it and think that it has potential for sure. Even though I don't agree with the theory in it's current state, I do have something I'd like to add that I think supports it.
I don't know if this was your thought process as well, but you mention that you think the wolf character could represent the Nightmare Animatronics. This immediately clicked for me because of Twisted Wolf, one of the Twisted Animatronics from "The Twisted Ones". This might sound a bit stretchy (I know pulling from the Silver Eyes trilogy turns a lot of people off), but to me it is a clear connection to FNAF 4 since the Twisted Animatronics are clearly those books' equivalent to the Nightmare Animatronics, and Twisted Wolf is the only wolf character outside of Roxy and the one in the UCN cutscenes. Also, and this is ABSOLUTELY a stretch, but I did notice that UCN happened to be released exactly one year after "The Twisted Ones", which could have been a hint to look at that book to clarify the importance of the wolf character in the UCN cutscenes. I don't really believe in that last point, but I was checking to make sure that "The Twisted Ones" released before UCN and I noticed the date and found it very interesting.
Anyway, feel free to let me know what you think about this added context and if we had the same line of thinking. Also, I definitely think you should make a video on this theory after a bit more refining. I'd love to see it.
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Yeah my thoughts as well (forgot to include it lol)
Admittedly don't like using the novel trilogy but yeah.
Shoutout to my boy the number 7
Shoutout to the other numbers that are about to be brought up in part 2
@@NarrowRaven Eye ball emoji (idk how to send them)
7th characters are the most specific evidence IMO. Mr hippo really could be Henry's representation
Mr.Hippo could be, we're just missing something that REALLY connects Henry to Mr.Hippo. Otherwise I do think it's possible!
Unrelated but I like the fact that Puppet is in the 13th slot considering its the unlucky number, that’s kinda funny and sad.
I will say this is an Absolutely SOLID AMAZING theory so much so that now I believe either Golden Freddy is connected to the current vengeful spirit whomever it may be or that it was Retconned after the Frights Books!
Thank you! This theory was a lot of fun to make! I think this definitely tells that that whoever the vengeful spirit is, it HAS to be someone with a connection to Golden Freddy. If it was a retcon then Scott lied about the one retcon not changing the lore that much and we need a UCN remake XD
Cool collab, three FNAF theorists who make shaky but understandable conclusions. This'll probably be entertaining 🍿
Golden Freddy being next to springtrap does not mean he is the vengeful spirit. In fact it’s actually meant to reflect the duality of fredbear and springbonnie. Missing right and left ear. NO VENGEFUL SPIRIT INDICATIONS, they’re supposed to be opposites of each other, the bear of vengeance is Cassidy who tries her best to kill the fox (William), it looks like I just admitted Cassidy is the vengeful spirit but I didn’t, being vengeful ≠ being toysnhk. In the week before Ralph called Fritz (foxy) the vengeful spirit but we know he can’t be toysnhk.
This is possible, though calling a connection to the man who is being tormented and the one animatronic that is referenced EVERYWHERE in UCN does seem a little odd no? As you'd also yes have the bear of vengeance, in the game about a vengeful spirit, being reflected to be Golden Freddy, You'd have Golden Freddy being the 14th cutscene, the 7th bear of vengeance cutscene, the 14th locker that represents Golden Freddy, with the 15th being William/Springtrap, the 14 stars with one colored white, Fredbear being the 7th secret character, and Toy Chica being the 7th in the roster who represents William, and every 700 points you get an intermission. There's a clear connection to these 2 characters in this game. Now whether or not it changed later in the timeline is up to you! Also please remember, it's just a theory and saying that something is meant a certain way isn't true with FNAF, it's an interpretation, just like this theory! There's very little we actually truly know about FNAF, we still don't even know the year of FNAF 1.
doesn’t Fritz smith who most people think is Michael also start on night 7
I believe so!
PIGPATCH'S EAR IS IN THE BAG WHEN CHICA IS SITTING BY THE TREE
I remember seeing that detail just earlier today or I'm just mellow brained fr
This is such a fun crack head theory. Even though I have always been a Golden Freddy being UNC's mastermind guy and all that so 14 Theory doesn't really do much for me, but this is the most fun I have had watching a theory video in a while so kudos for that!
I'm glad it was fun! We really enjoyed making this video and it is honestly my most fun ever making a theory video!
I wonder if there’s any other secrets in the ucn menu order, I did always think it was a little odd
Mayyyyybeeeeeeeee (part 2)
I like this theory, but I do have an issue with the idea of the number 14 specifically being important.
If each cutscene is every 700 points and there's a total of 50 characters, then Scott didn't choose to make it 49/20, he had to because it's the last number that divides cleanly by 7. Which means that 14 cutscenes is the maximum he could have added while still maintaining the 7 motif.
I think Scott wanted to make the number 7 important (7th game and 7th night) and then 14 was just a number that coincided with the 50 animatronics he planned to add.
Totally possible, though with how much 14 shows up I do think it's important alongside number 7. It's just how we found stuff out, 14 came up first so we went with that. Plus there's more going on with 14 and Golden Freddy than 7.
I went back to UCN to see if I could find anything for a future theory post we might've missed and I decided to take another listen to the UCN soundtrack (mainly because I like it) and I don't know why I decided to do this, or why it's me who usually finds this discrete ass shit but for some reason I got the feeling to look at the song tempos for any numerical clues and I found something undeniably huge if true
I'm not even fucking kidding if you add up all the song tempos that play in-game (not including cutscenes) you get 640, which is half of 1280. I was actually so caught off guard when I found this I couldn't wait to include it in my next theory, I found this like 5 minutes ago
These are all the song tempos:
Sleep No More - 130 bpm
Sonata for The Fallen - 70 bpm
Hibernating Evil - 120 bpm
Eisoptrophobia - 110 bpm
Where Dreams Die - 140 bpm
Last Breath - 70 bpm
All add up to 640. 640*2=1280
Leon Riskin possibly confirming Stitchline with an unnoticed detail 6 years later. I legit didn't even think this would work. What the fuck
I do think that's interesting however I don't know if that was intentional that scott was looking into bpms to solve lore. If so though that'd be absolutely insane!
Edit: wait did you copy and paste a reddit post?
as a 3D artist, I really do believe the "white" star is just the lighting hitting that star at the most direct angle. otherwise interesting tho
It's just so weird that there is shading on the white star if you blow it up and the shading makes no sense either. As for some reason it starts with light gray at the top and white at the bottom.
So, while golden freddy is important I think the 14 has so many more meanings. I mean for one micheal afton is represented as a teen when the bite happened. William has atleast in game been to freddy's for 14 nights
5 in fnaf 2
5 in fnaf 1
and 4 more nights before his death.
and even if that isn't true with the is he or is he not dead before fnaf 1 debate one thing is for sure, he is already covered by the 14 kids.
Fnaf 4 has 14 toys all through (5 plushes, 3 toys in the park, Mangle, Spring bonnie puppet, and the 4 "toys" in the bedroom (the robot, the phone, the catapiller, and the plastic fan)).
The afton family is a set of 14s
Circus Baby tells a story that ends in 14 "There were two, then three, then five, then four." (Yes ik elizabeth happened, but seeing the story of "4 then 3 then 2 then 1 i interpret that as the "then four" slowly leaving).
14 is an afton signature.
The final nail in the coffin. How may endings did we have at this point
Fnaf 1 - 1, you do all 7 and get fired
Fnaf 2 - 1, 6 nights, and a custom night staring someone else
Fnaf 3 - 2, Good and Bad
Fnaf 4 - 2, Bite, and Box
Fnaf SL - 2, Real and Fake
Fnaf 6 - "6", Good/Bad, BlackListed, Insanity, Lore Keeper, Mediocre, and Bankruptcy (I only consider the Good/Bad as one as they are just the send off to the other ending and can be used interchangeably for example you can get mediocre, with the good and the bad ending. You can go bankrupt on the path to the good or bad ending. End of the day we know the good ending happened and not the bad one).
That makes a grand total of 14 endings till this point.
There is genuinely so many more but I don't think all of them matter.
Number 14: Freddy’s Pizza foot lettuce
great thinking!
I thought whatever spirit Golden Freddy is haunting was already well established to be the one he shouldn't have killed
Due to Andrew existing, there is a debate if Golden Freddy actually matters in UCN
@NarrowRaven What else would they showing up at the end mean? William isn't in Golden Freddy.
@NarrowRaven Also there's no mention of Andrew in the game's canon, Cassidy and the crying child are in Golden Freddy. Where would Andrew be?
@ That's what I'm saying but I am also open to their side, i'm a relatively middle ground when it comes to FNAF lore.
So i get that there's repetition of the numbers 7 and 14, but what does that tell us?
That in some aspect, whoever the Vengeful Spirit is, NEEDS to have a connection to Golden Freddy/Fredbear. It also tells us who Toy Chica would represent and what further lockers may belong to which will be elaborated on in a future video!
With guys like these im suprised that the zodiac killer has never been caught xD
NEXT STREAM, OVERANALYZING THE ZODIAC KILLER XD
I think you're missing some connections with Michael and Rockstar Foxy.
Michael's last game: FNAF 6
Michael's death: FNAF 6
Michael's favourite character: Pirate Foxy
FNAF 6 Animatronics: The Rockstars and Mediocre Melodies
Rockstar Foxy, a character without possession, & Michael Afton burned together in FNAF 6.
Unoccupied Foxy reincarnation: Perfect host for Cassidy to tie Michael to in order to haunt William Afton in purgatory.
Rockstar Foxy references fire, of which Foxy burned in with Michael, but it's also the 2nd time Michael was involved with burning William.
Also a small minor thing for Henry and Mr. Hippo
Mr. Hippo talks to Afton like he's an old friend being caught up
Mr. Hippo goes on long monologues, one of the most famous parts of FNAF 6 is Henry's monologue/what Henry is most known for.
Mr. Hippo talks like a lonely good natured old man whose views are centered around coping. Basically, Henry.
I will say these are solid connections! The biggest issue is saying it was flat out Pirate Foxy unless I'm just forgetting something from FNAF lore which is totally possible! Though I do find it interesting that yeah, Rockstar Foxy is a character without possession so thus could be used by the vengeful spirit to represent Michael if they so choose, though that's also hard to find more evidence for!
We did talk about the Mr.Hippo stuff and these are all good points though we need something that will flat out confirm Henry, like some sort of detail about him in UCN that shows he's meant to represent Henry, but good connections!
W comment and connections! Keep theorizing! You're on a good roll here!
@@NarrowRaven I don't think anywhere flat out says it's Pirate Foxy (typical FNAF amirite) However there is hints via continuous association. Such as;
Michael is always using Foxy's mask when tormenting Dave/Crying Child so much that Dave seemingly tore Foxy plush's head off
In Fazbear's Frights: Step Closer the Michael stand in tries to scare his younger brother, the Dave stand in, by locking him in a closet with Foxy. (There's a bit more paralleled than just the prank to support it being a stand in, such as; a guilt over going too far with the prank, and a bunch of gum references with Pete, the MIchael stand in, and in the Survival Logbook Mike/Michael says his bad habit he wants to beat is chewing gum excessively)
Fritz is the name of the spirit who most agree is possessing Classic Foxy, and in FNAF 2's last night you're theorized as being Michael using a fake name, that fake name is Fritz Smith, so Michael would be using the child's name that was stuffed into Foxy
In UCN's anime scenes it is Freddy vs Foxy. In the first one the Bear is going to attack Foxy as it is the Bear's birthday and nobody would think he'd attack on his own birthday. This is usually seen from what I know as a stand in for Dave and Michael, like a childs imagination of getting revenge on his older brother. Michael would be Foxy in this situation who has been tormenting Freddy, just like Michael was doing IRL to Dave with the Foxy Mask, so IMO it checks out. Also the reference to it being Freddy's birthday. To be fair, it's Freddy Fazbear, brown fur. Not Fredbear, yellow fur. But I personally still think it holds up.
(This one is just my own personal theory) In UCN's High School Years scenes Foxy is the first victim off screen. Since all of the killings through here are references to William's killings, not necessarily in order, I believe the reason Foxy was killed off screen was because Afton killed Michael by sending him to Sister Location, but didn't actually do it himself.
Michael and Cassidy? help Dave remember his name using the Foxy Grid in the Survival Logbook
Overall, Foxy was represented the most in the Survival Logbook which is supposed to be "Michael Afton talking to Dave and Cassidy". His picture is *everywhere*, not just the Foxy Grid.
I think there's probably a few more connections as well but I struggle to remember things on the spot. I seem to remember hearing about another book reference where Foxy was a stand in for Michael but I might just be misremembering something.
Once again true to FNAF nature there's no "My dad's favourite was Bonnie" like Cassie's dad got. Though if you follow the theory that Cassie's dad is Bonnie Bro, and Bonnie was his favourite, you could link that back to Michael choosing Foxy's mask because Foxy was his favourite and so on.
That all said those are some of the reasons that Foxy is generally regarded as Michael's favourite.
I haven't watched the video in Full, so I don't know if you mentioned this already: 7 is an important number alongside 14 because While the 14th UCN Slot belongs to Golden Freddy, the SEVENTH slot belongs to Toy Chica. I always wondered WHY characters like Withered Freddy and Endo-01 were not included in UCN. Now I know WHY.
Edit: FUUUCCCCCKKKKK!
We did think about that XD We really went deep into this looking for EVERYTHING and we still are to this day! Part 2 is on its way!
Damn...
I'ma be fully honest I did not expect to believe this theory in the slightest but holy hell. That is actually really solid. (More proof Andrew isn't real let's gooo!) I will admit the sub evidence falls hella short but it's sub evidence it's not too important. And honestly I think the theory works better without the sub evidence.
But yeah all this really is to me is further proof that Cassidy, or moreso Golden Freddy, is the main thing behind ucn and the vengeful spirit. And the journey you three went on reminds me a lot of the rabbit hole I went donw discovering shadowtrap.
I will actually note though some things I find more interesting myself. The number 7 is one that's always important in fnaf since the first game there's always been 7 nights, fnaf usually revolves around the core seven of William the mci and Charlie.
I don't doubt this theory at all. Kudos my good sirs. And I think I might actually make a second comment yo speculate further on the lockers in Toy Chica the high school years as I've been wondering something about them for a while now.
I just realized: William, seven letters, Michael, seven letters, Cassidy, seven letters, Eleanor, seven letters.
This is like One Piece abd Oda's number obsession god damn it. Htf did we not realize this?
There's so much stuff we didn't use due to them being a stretch however there's also stuff we haven't used as a result of this because of it being a whole different topic!
The 7 core characters in the base 3 is quite interesting too! Nice find though sadly it's not a UCN find.
Thank you so much for liking the theory! We worked so hard on this! That initial discovery of the 14 locker is what sent us down this whole spiral and I am sure more will be shown in the future!
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No problem. Hell of a good job. Also besides the name thing of William and Cassidy having 7 letters I just realized spiritual alchemy has 7 stages along with the number 7 being really important in alchemy overall: Oh my god I think I'm going to freak out the community might've just had a damn breakthrough.
@@Prince_Zero-10Speaking of Cassidy having 7 letters, in TDreads’ UCN stream video someone talked about the CassidyAndrews theory (given that Andrew is becoming more unlikely) and I pointed out that Cassidy Andrews has 14 letters. It could just be a coincidence, which is more likely, but it’s still an interesting detail.
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For a split second I thought you kiscounted and it was 15 nvm you right. I don't like the theory much put it would make sense.
Andrew is gone though whoooo!
Huh, with the fnaf4 stars, if you count the stars left to right, the white star is number 6, reflecting Golden Freddy being the 6th murder, perhaps?
Maybe, however that would be a stretch for UCN times as we had no clue of a 6th missing kid yet, and with RTTP just messing with stuff. It's a possibility but idk at the moment. We will just have to wait and see what happens with Andrew in the future!
Just a question: with the association with the number five with golden Freddy, could that also be they were the 5th one killed? Thanks in advance for the help!
Totally possible if the 1 and 4 is meant to represent the separation of the 5th victim! Though the death order of the MCI isn't too important as they were all killed on the same day on June 26th, 1985. I'd see what you can find and maybe there's something there!
@ Thank you, I may try to. But it was just an idea. I was thinking since there are multiple different theories about Golden Freddy’s spirit(s), so in my head it could change the order depending on what child truly possesses them (which still confusing for me).
Wait, we found out this white star because of the Crying Childs bedroom, wich has been heavily theorized to also possess Golden Freddy. I could be onto nothing, but seeing as only one star and the slanted nr 14 gave birth to this video, I am pretty confident in this.
That is quite interesting! Also the dots in the FNAF SL map that revolve around the FNAF 4 stuff add up to 14. Quite interesting... good connection here!
@NarrowRaven Thanks man, great video and even more importantly, great theorizing and overanalyzing. Also, quite interesting indeed that the 14 theory reachss SL as well. Maybe there is something more to it in the more recent games and dlcs? We could be on the beggining of a find of unimaginable impact. Maybe connections that we never thought of might be so clear with this, maybe others that we thought were cemented, are completely debunked with it.
Maybe Im overestimating it, but this is what FNaF is about, theorizing and more theorizing, and in the end a full and complete timeline.
Sorry for the yapping 😅 I forgot how interesting unveiling lore in the scary bear game is.
You used a fanmade icon for ucn at 7:05 btw
You'd be shocked how easy it is to do this while editing if you're using google to find stuff, gotta be one of the biggest struggles as a fnaf fan
@@JanyLived Even Steelwools accidentally took fan models. Like the only thing that hinted it being a fanmade icon was the slightly darker spots in the eyes.
Oh damn good catch
I guarantee you Unwithered didn't know about that! It happens sometimes, I've done it myself. Finding the actual images for game icons can be such a pain, especially with UCNs.
Q: if you reverse 14, you get 41. And Rockstar Chica is the 41st character and is by rockstar foxy? But do you think Rockstar Chica actually matter? (Like is she Mrs Afton/MCI/DCI/Andrew/Henry or anyone)
I don't think she'd be anyone. There isn't really a super connection to anything, not a bite involving chica or an event with her specifically.
@ If you see the number 41, you know who to think off
Oooooo, this was a good theory. Great video.
Sorry but this scott reddit post just points into frights giving basic awnsers to *big debates* on the community
TOYSNHK debate specifically
Over the next few years there are a *lot of projects planned, and most are very story driven. Lots of the later stories will answer some of the biggest questions from the fan base over this past year, in my opinion.*
Very few people will likely ever feel completely satisfied, as there are just too many head canons out there and so many great ideas on where the story could go, but I think there are good things to be found for people who are looking. *All I can do is say that some questions will be answered;* even if it may not always be the answer you wanted. Be patient. Let me at least say this; future games will look forward; *but look to the novels to fill in some of blanks to the past!*
The post was made on *2019*
*biggest questions from PAST YEAR* (2018) when ucn came out
Isn't that awnsering that andrewTOYSNHK is correct
I love the theory but if the number 14 is to represent how many kids died in the hands of William then what about the kids the Funtimes kidnapped?
We don't know how many or if they did in FNAF lore. As the only thing we know of in terms of kidnapping could be Rory if Tales is now in continuity. As the one day they were operational, it was shut down day one and they were stuck in the bunker for a while too. It's hard to say if they did kidnap any and if so, how many?
@NarrowRaven thanks for that
When Im in a competition of saying the most incoherent shit but my opponent is an fnaf theorist: 😢
think I know what 14 means, it was how many people got killed before the Afton springlocking, hear me out.. So if we count all of the people that died in Fnaf, we would get Charlie, Dave, Elizabeth, MCI, and DCI. But that only equals up to 13 deaths in total, so where’s the 14 death. ANDREW. Golden Freddy being the 14th character is showing that Andrew was the last victim of William Afton and the 15th death would be Afton, which lines up with the character roster. So this means that Andrew does indeed possess Golden Freddy so Goldentrio theory is in fact true. In Toy Chica Highschool years, She kills 7 victims and the last one probably represents TOYSHK based off of how brutal the death was. So since the 7th victim represents vengeful spirit, then if you split 14 in half then you get 7 which lines up with the death order in Tchica years. 14 represents Andrew being the 14th and last victim of William Afton and the 15th death is William Afton and Andrew splits his soul between Golden Freddy and Afton. Speaking of soul splitting..
Here’s my evidence that Andrew split his soul between the two. So we know that the 7th victim of Toy Chica represents TOYSNHK and Toy Chica is the 7th character in the UCN roster. So this is showing that he split his soul with Golden Freddy and Afton. And remember, splitting 14 would give you 7 which would then give you Toy Chica. Golden Freddy is also the 14th intermission as well. VENGEFUL SPIRIT HAS 14 LETTERS. So, I think the debate on the Vengeful spirit’s identity is finally over. It’s confirmed that Golden Freddy is the Vengeful Spirit and Andrew has really strong and compelling evidence on him being the last victim and being the 14th victim before Afton. (I think Dave also spilt his soul between Mike and Fredbear/Golden Freddy but that’s a different discussion)
The tilted 14 could also be because 2014 was when FNaF released.
That's something I didn't think of and have seen a lot of people mention! Really cool connection!
Actually I think Golden Freddy and The Puppet were moved up so all the animatronics could be organized in the order of the games they're from
Then why wouldn't Withered Golden Freddy be with Withered Bonnie and Withered Chica and the Marionette be with the toys?
A lot of solid evidence and expeculatory one. This as a theory has good rythmn and it for sure discover too many details about the 14 in the game
Thank you so much! We worked so hard on this to get it out to you all fast while making it look good! We've been talking about the other lockers as of late and other possible mysteries and may make another video that will be almost a part 2 to this! We found some more 14s and some further connections that I think will blow people's minds!
Awesome!
Thank you!
FNAF was released in 2014, as well.
Maybe the distinction of 4 and 1 is that the 1 is meant to represent Crying child
Totally possible, very hard to choose if it's Cassidy, Andrew, or CC, since we know that in some aspect, they either possess Golden Freddy or would be connected to UCN.
@NarrowRaven yes but then again it wouldn't matter because Scott made UCN as a non canon game, at least that's what i read.Perhaps it ended up being one big troll by Scott.
Unlikely you see this, but I wish to point out: Marionette is next to Golden Freddy and the star closest to The white star happens to be half-white, be it coincidence or not, it is partially influenced by white. This likely is just the white star is glowing but... there is that chance. Also, both Golden Freddy and Marionette are the most "Magical" of the victims... Both being able to do things nothing else can.
That is an interesting detail and I do plan on mentioning the marionette in a part 2 however I don't think that would mean anything personally. Though good find!
Also I read all of my comments! It's just hard to reply to them all!
@@NarrowRaven I think that this factor is important for another reason: Marionette kinda... stopped being important out of nowhere, but scott said he did only 1 major retcon and nobody noticed, so I think we've heavily missed what the marionette/puppet had in the lore because for them to suddenly not be important despite being the necromancer is...
Ok...i get it...but what did the theory gave us?
Like... it's cool,but what do we get from this 14?like - ok,William potentially killed 14 kids(possibly).And it means that the one who created the Pirgatory for William is Golden Bear(which badically everybldy already thought).
Sooooooo...what did we find out?Like - i wanna know what do we get from it?Like - can you use these 14 in some other games to solve something?I think it was interesting that the Fnaf 4 of all places had the 14 stars with 1 being white,and i thiught it was going somewhere,but it didnt.Maybe you should spend like 17 more days once again looking though games with the bumber 14 in mind?)
The 14 stars don't matter since in the fnaf 3 teaser each set of stars are 14 so it doesnt have any significant meaning
Which FNAF 3 teaser? I looked at all of the FNAF 3 teasers and the UCN teasers and none of them have stars minus the UCN one I brought up in the video.
@NarrowRaven On Scott's page in the FNAF 3 trailer there's are stars in the video
I think this is the best fnaf theory ever made. These implications could solve the entire timeline!
I don't think it'd solve the whole timeline but once we explore some later stuff in another video, it just might lead to something people aren't expecting...
How does the numbers destroy ucn?
Could be a bit of a stretch, but seeing as Scott Cawthon is a Christian and he has made several games in the past based on the faith, it is certainly worth considering the following, especially as it relates to 14 theory.
In Christianity, seven as a number is a pretty big deal. Something that often comes to mind with the number seven is the Seven Deadly Sins. But there is also the opposite (or reflection) of the cardinal sins: the seven cardinal virtues. Taken into consideration together, that gives us 14.
The FNaF franchise seems to have a lot of references to reflection/reflecting, and to undoing the evils of William Afton, with Henry being the “virtuous” reflection of Afton’s villainy.
It's official, you guys have lost your mind.
Solid theory, although as someone with experience with 3D graphics (especially Scott’s) I can tell that one star isn’t meant to be white. It just stands out from the other stars because it’s the only star that’s positioned right below the ceiling lamp, meaning it’s at the right angle to reflect the light right back at the camera.
Fun fact: Not the only time this confusion has happened! In Nightmare Fredbear’s extras menu render, the reflection makes one of his black buttons buttons look white, and Steel Wool would misread and actually make one of his buttons white in Help Wanted!
I do want to say that in Clickteam games, they aren't 3d models! At least the rooms aren't, it's an optical illusion Scott did. Though what's weird about that star is there's hardly any shading on it whereas others that are very close to it do. Plus the lighting in a 3d model wouldn't be directly above it, more so the center of the room, so it'd still be weird.
Though it is good to point out, though it's hyper weird for some reason.
Before watching I would like to say that I view 14 as an unlucky number because every goes to shit on 14th days. So I bet whatever the theory is it’s correct
Interesting connection tbh. Though as solid as this theory is, it is just a theory so do leave some room for it to be incorrect as FNAF can sometimes be FNAF XD
@ fnaf 4: here’s some mini games!
Fans: cool so do we play as this kid in the main game?
Fnaf 4:…
Fans: so do we?-
Fnaf4: look man idk
In the stream ı saw someone saying the golden freddy easter eggs dont mean ####
That person must have been a hardcore golden freddy hater :D
14 theory is PEAK XD
7 is bungies favorite number
We don't bring up the dark ages of Destiny 2... XD
@@NarrowRaven xd