I’ve owned a Bugera 4x12 and a Carvin 4x12 Legacy cab. Personally I never minded the Bugera sound but, I also loved the V30 speakers in the Carvin and it was build so much better. After years of gigging both though neither one failed me and the Bugera took a *beating*
I have two Engl cabinets and bought them brand new, paid full price and I don't regret it a single day. I use them with my Engl Power ball and Fireball and the sound is just amazing. You get what pay for.
@destroyerproductionsandrec2127 I have the 2x12 Vert and yeah, they're never on sale so full price. I don't regret it though, paired with a Fireball 25 it sounds amazing.
MDF is used because it is very stable (sawdust mixed with glue) and doesn't resonate. All expensive audio speakers are made out of it for just that reason. Plywood resonates and adds unwanted color to the speaker via cabinet vibration. Keep it dry and its fine.
While I prefer plywood for it's strength, you are correct. MDF is significantly acoustically superior. Soundwaves hit MDF and decay gracefully whereas when they hit a hard surface like plywood, they shatter and produce obvious distortion. Ironically, because the speed of sound for plywood resonance is at around 700 to 1000 Hz, even though people build subwoofer boxes out of MDF, it's the one specific place plywood kicks it's ass. I've built sub boxes out of both, and the plywood boxes always have better SPL, sound cleaner and just all around superior performance. I knew a guy about 10 years ago that took my advice, built a monstrous subwoofer cabinet for his truck double layering the plywood, and without trying, took home 1st place in his city's bass-war competition. I have a lot of cabinets, some plywood and some MDF, and the MDF is just blatantly superior. The same speakers in an MDF box with poor low frequency reproduction having swapped them myself into various boxes suddenly produce low end spectacularly whereas in the plywood cabinets, they distort and the wood shutters. The remedy is packing the cabinet with batting or paneling the inside with foam rubber matting or even carpet. I have a 2x10 plywood cabinet loaded with Jensen MOD greens, and after I stuffed it with batting, it sounded phenomenally better. I actually grew to favor 10's over 12's even though I have a ton of combos loaded with them and four 4x12 cabs. Monday, I scored a Crate GX1200H head with a full sized 4x12 cabinet made of plywood. That series head traditionally came with compact 4x12 MDF cabinets. After cranking it really loud enough times, it's inevitable; I will have to buy a bunch of cheap Walmart pillows, rip them open and stuff them inside, or line it internally with foam rubber or carpet lol. Those heads are 3-legged mutts racing greyhounds until you mod the EQ capacitors and resistors, and add a midrange control to the lead channel. After that, they are the ultimate sleeper amp even being solid-state, but one way or the other, they produce so much bass that the cabinet is a shattered wall of noise when I crank it.
This reminds me of the guy who replaced the "cheap" MDF speaker baffle with plywood in his Silverton amp because the screws had ripped out, but it ruined the sound - sometimes "cheap" is better?
@@pharmerdavid1432 furniture grade MDF isn't exactly cheap when it's made correctly like waterbed frames from the 80's as opposed to a particle board TV stand; I've seen good quality MDF, and strandboard, get sopping wet without experiencing any damage whatsoever. MDF is flat out acoustically superior for anything over 300 Hz because soundwaves don't shatter when they strike it but they do when they hit plywood. Around 300 Hz and under, the waves don't shatter when they hit plywood which naturally resonates within this range. I like a heavy duty plywood cabinet but even then, I also like the sound of well made MDF. I have cabinets made from furniture grade birch, from MDF and I have cabinets made from yellow pine. With the right speaker, the distortion and reverb/resonance from yellow pine plywood sounds great, but I still stuff those cabinets with pillow batting. You still get the rattle and shattered effect when the waves strike it but it's cleaned up a bit so you can literally turn your amp up to 11. You can also use stuff like foam rubber floor mats or shag carpet. MDF doesn't need stuffing and causes the soundwaves to break up and decay gracefully. The bottom line is your soundwaves will always distort less with MDF compared to plywood and often sound more musical and defined. I like the sound of both and have at least a half dozen various guitar dedicated cabinets with a great variety of the 3 materials. *Neither is superior or inferior in any regard unless you happen to buy something ancient and a piece of shit lol.* I think plywood that's strategically dampened with material like foam rubber and has architectural wood or MDF bandpass panels inside sound the best, but nobody has ever gotten too fancy with 4x12 and 4x10 cabinets when it comes to commercially built. From my perspective as both an engineer and a musician, just stuffing 4 speakers in a sealed box is a complete shit design lol.
try changing the speakers from one cab to the other and test the fact that one as front mounted speakers and the other as backmounted speakers that makes a diference in tone also.
Actually MDF is the most common choice for very high end high fi speakers. They actually offer a lot of tonal benefits over plywood. Although heavier and more prone to water damage you'd likely prefer their sound a good portion of the time with all other variables not withstanding.
Hifi speakers are designed to reproduce recorded music as accurately as possible. They are designed to reduce resonance and add as little color to the speaker as possible. These cabs are musical instruments, the wood colors and enhances the sound, the wood is part of the sound, a completely different design and purpose, you do want your musical instrument to be made of MDF, any real wood would be superior. So no, there is NO ONE who would prefer an MDF Cab no portion of the time unless you are after a very low quality sound.
Its 2023. Touring musicians view 4x12s as stage props. None of them are heavy when there aren't any speakers inside. *Plot Twist* The floor monitors they're actually using have plastic enclosures.
@@darkscience1466real wood isn’t necessarily “superior” as tone is really subjective.. some people may need or want the more flat response of MDF built cabs and I wouldn’t knock them for that. I do agree that plywood can give you more specific tone responses in certain frequencies but, so does the overall size and construction of the cab itself.
When I saw Steve Morse with Deep Purple and then with The Steve Morse Band , he was using Engl . It looked like his rig was well worn . I would imagine that many amp manufacturers are looking for him to endorse their products . Way back , he had Marshall and Peavey . Martin Barre , in October , had a single 12" Barefaced cabinet with a Soldano head . Obviously miked . His TONE was MASSIVE ! He used to use a Marshall , I believe 2 X 10" or 2 X 12" . Way back he had Soldano 4 X 12" with Jethro Tull . Before that Marshall . In the beginning , Hiwatt .
Well it's like this. Although the cabinet is cheaper made by bugera I think will hold up on the road just fine. The problem is the speakers have dinky magnets and that results in not a great sound. It may sound fair , but not great.
I built a cab using solid 1/2" walnut and one high quality 10" speaker. I also bought a 5 watt tube amp. It sounds amazing. Two can sound great too. 4 is mostly unnecessary unless you need it loud. Go for quality over quantity.
I was thinking the same thing, but since they are discussing 4 x 12" cabinets I assumed it was about high powered amp cabinets. I prefer solid pine cabinets, or even better - solid redwood like Gibson used on their classic amps from 1955-1962 (before and beyond?). The cabinet resonates and sings with the solid wood, a plywood cabinet sounds harder, while and MDF cabinet wouldn't color the sound and probably softer attack? I have a Marshall JTM-1H which is a mighty one watter that gets the JTM sound. I was dubious about getting it, but everybody was raving about its sound, so I got one - they weren't lying! People say if you plug the JTM-1 into a Marshall 4 x 12" with greenbacks it roars - I have an Avatar convertible cab (now closed) with a greenback, and I can't believe the sound. Incredibly the 1-watt is too loud for a quiet neighborhood like mine, so I have to use the .10 watt setting to keep it at a reasonable volume. Getting back to cabinets, I like them all - it depends on the music you're playing, your preferences, etc...
@@pharmerdavid1432 Agreed. I sat in the high end amp section at GC today. Price aside, speakers aside, wood aside, you just have to plug into and try 4-5+ of them. Buy the one that makes you smile and you do not want to unplug. In my experience today, and other days, it's rarely the most expensive one. Same with guitars. I had $2k to burn. I tried a Martin and it was good- then I tried a Taylor for $800 and took it home. Maybe the Martin was ever so slightly better, but not by much. There is a quality curve. I don't buy cheap gear, but I am very open to lower, high end, slightly used when possible. The delta between that gear and ultra expensive is not very audible to my ears and never noticeable in a mix.
Nothing wrong with MDF other than it being heavy. If it's assembled correctly it's fine. I don't know the difference in acoustics between MDF and Plywood though...I imagine it's negligible but it'd be cool to compare.
Great video, thanks for showing the detail, looks like those may be Chinese V30's in the Engl cab though. My UK made Mesa V-30 Speakers do not say Celestion " International".
Not at all. only the geometry and the speakers count. as long as the material is remotely as tough as wood or mdf and everything is tight, it all sounds the same.
Hi , what do you think about the mounting type ? I mean is it better mounting the speakers from the front ? like your ENGL , or mounting from the back like Mesa and your bugera ? I think about the foam in front of the speaker and the resonance results ... thanks bye
Turbo sound has been making speakers and sound systems since the 70s and those 12” full range guitar speakers are actually really good. Not sure why you say it sounds bad maybe it’s the amp you are drivin* them with. Plywood is heavier and not as good as MDF there’s a huge reason speaker cabinets are built. Out of MDF . cracks happen to anything all the time especially plywood. I’d take the turbo sound speakers over those vintage 30’s anyday.
This is your personal likings, in fact as of today most metal-heads prefer high end cabs like Mesa, ENGL, Marshall, HESU etc, often with Celestion speakers in them and often with V30´s, those cabs are all made out of plywood and not MDF. All those cost more than 800 euros if we are talking about 4x12 cabs, this cheap Bugera cab does not even cost 200 Euros, its the cheapest 4x12 you can get, and no, it does not sound good in any way compared to an expensive cab. If there would be something in what you are talking about there would be Bugera cabs in every studio and on most stages, but it's not. it's mostly V30´s, or any other more expensive Celestion, in general.
@HearGear I've owned many high end amps and cabs and now running Bugera head and Bugera 2x12 cab. Sounds bloody awesome and stands up against the more expensive stuff. Yeah sure, Hesu etc. sound really good too but 4 times as good as the price? The answer is no. The other point I would like to make is Bugera are in many studios these days.
@@meagainokay7673 Its all about what speakers there is in the cab these days even cheap brands put Celestion Vintage 30´s in their cabs, of course to a higher price but still way cheaper compared to high end brands, this video is not just about the brand, its about this specific speakers I got in this Bugera, they are not good in any way.
@HearGear Yeah, I guess you can get lucky and unlucky with any speakers of the same brand. The V30's you're referring to in cheaper cabs are the Joyo and Harley Benton. They sound pretty good too, although the speakers didn't sound good in the early days before China manufacturing updated the cones. My plan now is to get a Hesu 2x12 and run it with the Bugera 333XL Infinium. I might even try running both cabs.
Hello friend, one question, what sound effect does having that insulation foam on the back cover generate? does it improve the sound? or what is its function specifically? Thank you
Its not the same turbosound speaker like i have in my bugera v55 combo. This magnet is very tiny and it says 4ohm on it. Mine is 8ohm and its twice the size. I saw your other video when they sound bad now i know why.
I like Celestions and all, but it's such a crude and primitive speaker with me having a formal background in science and engineering that I can live without them for something heaps cheaper! lol *MDF also greatly outperforms plywood acoustically, but obviously the strength and durability of plywood is exponentially superior.* The ultimate solution to plywood cabinets is filling them with batting, or paneling them internally with sound damping material like foam rubber mats or even a thick carpeting. When soundwaves hit a hard surface, they shatter and produce a lot of crude and undesired distortion. When they hit MDF, they bounce off and decay gracefully. Ultimately everyone will prefer what they prefer, but adding damping material to plywood greatly improves their low end performance and increases clarity with your mids and highs. I have a lot of cabinets and the variety is of both, and the MDF has always outperformed the plywood until I added sound damping material to them. After that mod, they are pound for pound acoustic equals, but the plywood is exponentially stronger, more durable and more reliable.
And mdf is heavier than plywood.. Your way off on that shit right there.. The speakers are heavier from. Celeation. The soundboard makes the difference in tone ams does the size of the cabinet. Side and back wood doesn't mean shit.
The cab is fine but the speakers are fair. On the bugera. I have that cab. It's not that heavy because of small speaker magnets. It sounds ok but I want a marshall cab. My head is the marshall jcm 900
No no no.. Marshalls are made out of Birch plywood. Most high end cabs are made out of some sort of Plywood and most of the time Birch, such as ENGL, Marshall, HESU, Mesa, Friedman, Randall, etc.
I was kinda disappointed when i opened up my Marshall 1936 cab, it's all made of particle board. I am thinking of making a new baffle out of thick plywood.
Put those V30s in the Bugera cab and I'll bet u wont be able to tell the difference in sound when playing. MDF vs 18mm Birch Ply has no effect on tone. Sealing your cab has no effect on sound, the only upside of the expensive one is durability.....and for the price is a rip off. Don't believe me go watch this ua-cam.com/video/-eeC1XyZxYs/v-deo.html where the guy makes a cab from foam and sounds like a Orange PPC 212
buddy..... watch "Tested: Where Does The Tone Come From In A Speaker Cab?" by Jim Lill. And after that, die from cringing on your own uninformed comment
Both sound good. The ENGL probably sounds better (but that's subjective). More importantly the ENGL looks Bad Ass and cooler. I'll pay twice as much for that lol.
In one vid you show Bugera cab saying in description it has Bugera branded speakers, in this you say it comes with speakers like that. I was right saying it sound different and you have some dodgy speaker drivers. There is model difference, my is 412H-BK, your is 412TS. On their website they announce Turbosound model proudly. I would not be so proud...
Your next google search should be Turbosound and see their history and longevity in the speakers for concert and festivals since the 70’s and still going strong today. Lots of nightclubs use Turbosound and these may have smaller magnet/ motor structures but the size of 5he magnet doesn’t mean much anymore. Especially now with speakers especially subwoofers using neodymium magnets for speakers that are WAY LIGHTER , stronger output , and higher power handling.
@@HearGear i dunno how much point that brings but its obvious that box for 1800€ will be better than box for 270€ 😊 I have two bass behringer box 4x10" and they sounds phenomenal. Im so happy with them.
@@Gorazd1974 So...."its obvious that box for 1800€ will be better than box for 270€" right? Got a challenge for you, watch "Tested: Where Does The Tone Come From In A Speaker Cab?" by Jim Lill. And then say it again.
Neither is a Lamborghini or a Ferrari.. but still, millions of people are driving them.. could it be because they like those cars and I don't ?? Hmm, that's rather interesting, isn't it ?
Are you even aware that you are looking at CELESTION VINTAGE 30 drivers???? These are some of the best, used by some of the biggest recording artists!!
FYI ... hate to burst your bubble .. but again they are 1 of MANY quality speakers out there ... but far from THE best. Furthermore .... some peaple quite honestly dont care if its a $25 or $2500 speaker there amp has in it or is outputting through.
I am interested in Celestion Type A speakers, i think they sound good and the price is not as high as Vintage 30´s, as you mentioned there is very much speakers out there but for people that are looking for a specific sound, then it all comes down to just 5-10 different speakers that people mostly are interested in. Most people don't know what difference speakers make until they get the chance to try them selfs... i think i might build a 2x12 in the future and put in those Celestion Type A in there.. :D
The speaker cab is the most important part of the sound, they are overlooked a lot but trust me get a shit cab with shit speakers and the sound will be shit , the best thing about bugera cabs is they cost nothing so you can get a good cheap cab by swapping the crappy turbosound speakers for some better ones
Yeah they are ! This person probably just never heard of 5hem. They have been used by bands and mystic concerts and festivals since the 70’s and are the top of the line drivers in the black label behringer speakers that came after Music Group took over Midas and Turbosound etc.
I’ve owned a Bugera 4x12 and a Carvin 4x12 Legacy cab. Personally I never minded the Bugera sound but, I also loved the V30 speakers in the Carvin and it was build so much better. After years of gigging both though neither one failed me and the Bugera took a *beating*
I have two Engl cabinets and bought them brand new, paid full price and I don't regret it a single day. I use them with my Engl Power ball and Fireball and the sound is just amazing. You get what pay for.
@destroyerproductionsandrec2127 I have the 2x12 Vert and yeah, they're never on sale so full price. I don't regret it though, paired with a Fireball 25 it sounds amazing.
MDF is used because it is very stable (sawdust mixed with glue) and doesn't resonate. All expensive audio speakers are made out of it for just that reason. Plywood resonates and adds unwanted color to the speaker via cabinet vibration. Keep it dry and its fine.
While I prefer plywood for it's strength, you are correct. MDF is significantly acoustically superior. Soundwaves hit MDF and decay gracefully whereas when they hit a hard surface like plywood, they shatter and produce obvious distortion. Ironically, because the speed of sound for plywood resonance is at around 700 to 1000 Hz, even though people build subwoofer boxes out of MDF, it's the one specific place plywood kicks it's ass. I've built sub boxes out of both, and the plywood boxes always have better SPL, sound cleaner and just all around superior performance. I knew a guy about 10 years ago that took my advice, built a monstrous subwoofer cabinet for his truck double layering the plywood, and without trying, took home 1st place in his city's bass-war competition.
I have a lot of cabinets, some plywood and some MDF, and the MDF is just blatantly superior. The same speakers in an MDF box with poor low frequency reproduction having swapped them myself into various boxes suddenly produce low end spectacularly whereas in the plywood cabinets, they distort and the wood shutters. The remedy is packing the cabinet with batting or paneling the inside with foam rubber matting or even carpet. I have a 2x10 plywood cabinet loaded with Jensen MOD greens, and after I stuffed it with batting, it sounded phenomenally better. I actually grew to favor 10's over 12's even though I have a ton of combos loaded with them and four 4x12 cabs.
Monday, I scored a Crate GX1200H head with a full sized 4x12 cabinet made of plywood. That series head traditionally came with compact 4x12 MDF cabinets. After cranking it really loud enough times, it's inevitable; I will have to buy a bunch of cheap Walmart pillows, rip them open and stuff them inside, or line it internally with foam rubber or carpet lol.
Those heads are 3-legged mutts racing greyhounds until you mod the EQ capacitors and resistors, and add a midrange control to the lead channel. After that, they are the ultimate sleeper amp even being solid-state, but one way or the other, they produce so much bass that the cabinet is a shattered wall of noise when I crank it.
This reminds me of the guy who replaced the "cheap" MDF speaker baffle with plywood in his Silverton amp because the screws had ripped out, but it ruined the sound - sometimes "cheap" is better?
@@pharmerdavid1432 furniture grade MDF isn't exactly cheap when it's made correctly like waterbed frames from the 80's as opposed to a particle board TV stand; I've seen good quality MDF, and strandboard, get sopping wet without experiencing any damage whatsoever. MDF is flat out acoustically superior for anything over 300 Hz because soundwaves don't shatter when they strike it but they do when they hit plywood.
Around 300 Hz and under, the waves don't shatter when they hit plywood which naturally resonates within this range.
I like a heavy duty plywood cabinet but even then, I also like the sound of well made MDF. I have cabinets made from furniture grade birch, from MDF and I have cabinets made from yellow pine. With the right speaker, the distortion and reverb/resonance from yellow pine plywood sounds great, but I still stuff those cabinets with pillow batting. You still get the rattle and shattered effect when the waves strike it but it's cleaned up a bit so you can literally turn your amp up to 11.
You can also use stuff like foam rubber floor mats or shag carpet.
MDF doesn't need stuffing and causes the soundwaves to break up and decay gracefully. The bottom line is your soundwaves will always distort less with MDF compared to plywood and often sound more musical and defined. I like the sound of both and have at least a half dozen various guitar dedicated cabinets with a great variety of the 3 materials. *Neither is superior or inferior in any regard unless you happen to buy something ancient and a piece of shit lol.*
I think plywood that's strategically dampened with material like foam rubber and has architectural wood or MDF bandpass panels inside sound the best, but nobody has ever gotten too fancy with 4x12 and 4x10 cabinets when it comes to commercially built.
From my perspective as both an engineer and a musician, just stuffing 4 speakers in a sealed box is a complete shit design lol.
try changing the speakers from one cab to the other and test the fact that one as front mounted speakers and the other as backmounted speakers that makes a diference in tone also.
Actually MDF is the most common choice for very high end high fi speakers. They actually offer a lot of tonal benefits over plywood. Although heavier and more prone to water damage you'd likely prefer their sound a good portion of the time with all other variables not withstanding.
Hifi speakers are designed to reproduce recorded music as accurately as possible. They are designed to reduce resonance and add as little color to the speaker as possible. These cabs are musical instruments, the wood colors and enhances the sound, the wood is part of the sound, a completely different design and purpose, you do want your musical instrument to be made of MDF, any real wood would be superior. So no, there is NO ONE who would prefer an MDF Cab no portion of the time unless you are after a very low quality sound.
@@darkscience1466 Bull Shit.
Its 2023. Touring musicians view 4x12s as stage props. None of them are heavy when there aren't any speakers inside. *Plot Twist* The floor monitors they're actually using have plastic enclosures.
@@darkscience1466real wood isn’t necessarily “superior” as tone is really subjective.. some people may need or want the more flat response of MDF built cabs and I wouldn’t knock them for that. I do agree that plywood can give you more specific tone responses in certain frequencies but, so does the overall size and construction of the cab itself.
When I saw Steve Morse with Deep Purple and then with The Steve Morse Band , he was using Engl . It looked like his rig was well worn . I would imagine that many amp manufacturers are looking for him to endorse their products . Way back , he had Marshall and Peavey . Martin Barre , in October , had a single 12" Barefaced cabinet with a Soldano head . Obviously miked . His TONE was MASSIVE ! He used to use a Marshall , I believe 2 X 10" or 2 X 12" . Way back he had Soldano 4 X 12" with Jethro Tull . Before that Marshall . In the beginning , Hiwatt .
Well it's like this. Although the cabinet is cheaper made by bugera I think will hold up on the road just fine. The problem is the speakers have dinky magnets and that results in not a great sound. It may sound fair , but not great.
I love my bugera cab,sounds amazing, but your entitled to your opinion.
Probably cause you dont know anything better lol
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sounds amazing compared to what?
I built a cab using solid 1/2" walnut and one high quality 10" speaker. I also bought a 5 watt tube amp. It sounds amazing. Two can sound great too. 4 is mostly unnecessary unless you need it loud. Go for quality over quantity.
I was thinking the same thing, but since they are discussing 4 x 12" cabinets I assumed it was about high powered amp cabinets. I prefer solid pine cabinets, or even better - solid redwood like Gibson used on their classic amps from 1955-1962 (before and beyond?). The cabinet resonates and sings with the solid wood, a plywood cabinet sounds harder, while and MDF cabinet wouldn't color the sound and probably softer attack? I have a Marshall JTM-1H which is a mighty one watter that gets the JTM sound. I was dubious about getting it, but everybody was raving about its sound, so I got one - they weren't lying! People say if you plug the JTM-1 into a Marshall 4 x 12" with greenbacks it roars - I have an Avatar convertible cab (now closed) with a greenback, and I can't believe the sound. Incredibly the 1-watt is too loud for a quiet neighborhood like mine, so I have to use the .10 watt setting to keep it at a reasonable volume. Getting back to cabinets, I like them all - it depends on the music you're playing, your preferences, etc...
@@pharmerdavid1432 Agreed. I sat in the high end amp section at GC today. Price aside, speakers aside, wood aside, you just have to plug into and try 4-5+ of them. Buy the one that makes you smile and you do not want to unplug. In my experience today, and other days, it's rarely the most expensive one. Same with guitars. I had $2k to burn. I tried a Martin and it was good- then I tried a Taylor for $800 and took it home. Maybe the Martin was ever so slightly better, but not by much. There is a quality curve. I don't buy cheap gear, but I am very open to lower, high end, slightly used when possible. The delta between that gear and ultra expensive is not very audible to my ears and never noticeable in a mix.
Nothing wrong with MDF other than it being heavy. If it's assembled correctly it's fine. I don't know the difference in acoustics between MDF and Plywood though...I imagine it's negligible but it'd be cool to compare.
Great video, thanks for showing the detail, looks like those may be Chinese V30's in the Engl cab though. My UK made Mesa V-30 Speakers do not say Celestion " International".
Mesa’s Black Shadow 12” speakers say Celestion International and are not Chinese. Also those Turbosound speakers are far superior to those v30’s IMHO
How do the MDF, the amount of wheels or the phillips screws affect the sound quality???
Not at all. only the geometry and the speakers count. as long as the material is remotely as tough as wood or mdf and everything is tight, it all sounds the same.
Titanium screws sound the best
I can't seem to answer you!
Hi , what do you think about the mounting type ? I mean is it better mounting the speakers from the front ? like your ENGL , or mounting from the back like Mesa and your bugera ? I think about the foam in front of the speaker and the resonance results ... thanks bye
Good question.
Turbo sound has been making speakers and sound systems since the 70s and those 12” full range guitar speakers are actually really good. Not sure why you say it sounds bad maybe it’s the amp you are drivin* them with. Plywood is heavier and not as good as MDF there’s a huge reason speaker cabinets are built. Out of MDF . cracks happen to anything all the time especially plywood. I’d take the turbo sound speakers over those vintage 30’s anyday.
This is your personal likings, in fact as of today most metal-heads prefer high end cabs like Mesa, ENGL, Marshall, HESU etc, often with Celestion speakers in them and often with V30´s, those cabs are all made out of plywood and not MDF. All those cost more than 800 euros if we are talking about 4x12 cabs, this cheap Bugera cab does not even cost 200 Euros, its the cheapest 4x12 you can get, and no, it does not sound good in any way compared to an expensive cab. If there would be something in what you are talking about there would be Bugera cabs in every studio and on most stages, but it's not. it's mostly V30´s, or any other more expensive Celestion, in general.
@HearGear I've owned many high end amps and cabs and now running Bugera head and Bugera 2x12 cab. Sounds bloody awesome and stands up against the more expensive stuff. Yeah sure, Hesu etc. sound really good too but 4 times as good as the price? The answer is no.
The other point I would like to make is Bugera are in many studios these days.
@@meagainokay7673 Its all about what speakers there is in the cab these days even cheap brands put Celestion Vintage 30´s in their cabs, of course to a higher price but still way cheaper compared to high end brands, this video is not just about the brand, its about this specific speakers I got in this Bugera, they are not good in any way.
@HearGear Yeah, I guess you can get lucky and unlucky with any speakers of the same brand. The V30's you're referring to in cheaper cabs are the Joyo and Harley Benton. They sound pretty good too, although the speakers didn't sound good in the early days before China manufacturing updated the cones. My plan now is to get a Hesu 2x12 and run it with the Bugera 333XL Infinium. I might even try running both cabs.
Hello friend, one question, what sound effect does having that insulation foam on the back cover generate? does it improve the sound? or what is its function specifically? Thank you
Most likely it does nothing except making the back sound better if you knock on it with you knuckles. for the speaker sound it does nothing.
Its not the same turbosound speaker like i have in my bugera v55 combo. This magnet is very tiny and it says 4ohm on it. Mine is 8ohm and its twice the size. I saw your other video when they sound bad now i know why.
I like Celestions and all, but it's such a crude and primitive speaker with me having a formal background in science and engineering that I can live without them for something heaps cheaper! lol
*MDF also greatly outperforms plywood acoustically, but obviously the strength and durability of plywood is exponentially superior.* The ultimate solution to plywood cabinets is filling them with batting, or paneling them internally with sound damping material like foam rubber mats or even a thick carpeting.
When soundwaves hit a hard surface, they shatter and produce a lot of crude and undesired distortion. When they hit MDF, they bounce off and decay gracefully. Ultimately everyone will prefer what they prefer, but adding damping material to plywood greatly improves their low end performance and increases clarity with your mids and highs.
I have a lot of cabinets and the variety is of both, and the MDF has always outperformed the plywood until I added sound damping material to them. After that mod, they are pound for pound acoustic equals, but the plywood is exponentially stronger, more durable and more reliable.
Hi! are de v30s in the engl cab 8 or 16 ohm? Best regards
I still take the Bugera at lower cost even if cab self destructs .... turbo sound speakers 🔊 are awesome sounding speakers!
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My son and I got our Line 6 (Bogner) Vintage 30 cab's for $200 & $120 and they are birch cabs and made very well.
What a fascinating comparison. Thanks so much for this!
I've had amps with multiple. Speaker swaps. I'd take those turbosound over those vintage 30 any day.
Those turbosound are underrated. Big time
And mdf is heavier than plywood..
Your way off on that shit right there..
The speakers are heavier from. Celeation.
The soundboard makes the difference in tone ams does the size of the cabinet.
Side and back wood doesn't mean shit.
The cab is fine but the speakers are fair. On the bugera. I have that cab. It's not that heavy because of small speaker magnets. It sounds ok but I want a marshall cab. My head is the marshall jcm 900
Aren't Marshall cabs all MDF? No one seems to have a problem with them.
No no no.. Marshalls are made out of Birch plywood. Most high end cabs are made out of some sort of Plywood and most of the time Birch, such as ENGL, Marshall, HESU, Mesa, Friedman, Randall, etc.
Chinese wood? Really?
lmaooo
At least he said the Chinese V30's are better than the UK made, so you can give him a pass LOL 😂🤣
why on Earth would Engl put mdf end grain for the back panel, completely stupid.
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My hughes and kettner is made out of mdf and very heavy
I was kinda disappointed when i opened up my Marshall 1936 cab, it's all made of particle board. I am thinking of making a new baffle out of thick plywood.
@Gearslayer thanks for the info, i'll try to keep that in mind on my next buy.
Put those V30s in the Bugera cab and I'll bet u wont be able to tell the difference in sound when playing.
MDF vs 18mm Birch Ply has no effect on tone. Sealing your cab has no effect on sound, the only upside of the expensive one is durability.....and for the price is a rip off.
Don't believe me go watch this ua-cam.com/video/-eeC1XyZxYs/v-deo.html where the guy makes a cab from foam and sounds like a Orange PPC 212
AB SO LUTE LY.
thank you, the video was very informative
if you want an informative video. watch "Tested: Where Does The Tone Come From In A Speaker Cab?" by Jim Lill.
Btw, nice comparison video !! :)
question is sound... not longevity only,,, plywood 13mm usually sounds better.... has anyone seen mdf piano or guitar,,,
buddy..... watch "Tested: Where Does The Tone Come From In A Speaker Cab?" by Jim Lill. And after that, die from cringing on your own uninformed comment
Both sound good. The ENGL probably sounds better (but that's subjective). More importantly the ENGL looks Bad Ass and cooler. I'll pay twice as much for that lol.
the Engl mdf middle pieces is really a big mistake they make.... why the fuck they do that 🤣
Mdf is basically compressed paper
In one vid you show Bugera cab saying in description it has Bugera branded speakers, in this you say it comes with speakers like that. I was right saying it sound different and you have some dodgy speaker drivers. There is model difference, my is 412H-BK, your is 412TS. On their website they announce Turbosound model proudly. I would not be so proud...
Your next google search should be Turbosound and see their history and longevity in the speakers for concert and festivals since the 70’s and still going strong today. Lots of nightclubs use Turbosound and these may have smaller magnet/ motor structures but the size of 5he magnet doesn’t mean much anymore. Especially now with speakers especially subwoofers using neodymium magnets for speakers that are WAY LIGHTER , stronger output , and higher power handling.
You compare Kia vs Mercedes, you should compare Kia vs Hyundai at least 😂 or Bugera vs Harley Benton - so to speak 🎉
Thats the point of this video, the title says it all, Cheap vs Expensive.
@@HearGear i dunno how much point that brings but its obvious that box for 1800€ will be better than box for 270€ 😊
I have two bass behringer box 4x10" and they sounds phenomenal. Im so happy with them.
@@Gorazd1974 So...."its obvious that box for 1800€ will be better than box for 270€" right?
Got a challenge for you, watch "Tested: Where Does The Tone Come From In A Speaker Cab?" by Jim Lill. And then say it again.
That Engl cab is not impressive for the price
Neither is a Lamborghini or a Ferrari.. but still, millions of people are driving them.. could it be because they like those cars and I don't ?? Hmm, that's rather interesting, isn't it ?
Are you even aware that you are looking at CELESTION VINTAGE 30 drivers???? These are some of the best, used by some of the biggest recording artists!!
Is there anything in this video telling you that I think Vintage 30´s are crap ?
FYI ... hate to burst your bubble .. but again they are 1 of MANY quality speakers out there ... but far from THE best. Furthermore .... some peaple quite honestly dont care if its a $25 or $2500 speaker there amp has in it or is outputting through.
I am interested in Celestion Type A speakers, i think they sound good and the price is not as high as Vintage 30´s, as you mentioned there is very much speakers out there but for people that are looking for a specific sound, then it all comes down to just 5-10 different speakers that people mostly are interested in. Most people don't know what difference speakers make until they get the chance to try them selfs... i think i might build a 2x12 in the future and put in those Celestion Type A in there.. :D
The speaker cab is the most important part of the sound, they are overlooked a lot but trust me get a shit cab with shit speakers and the sound will be shit , the best thing about bugera cabs is they cost nothing so you can get a good cheap cab by swapping the crappy turbosound speakers for some better ones
@@johnodinsson1735 The speaker is most importent, you are right. The cab is not important at all. As long as it is quite solid
Talking bull
Mdf is sonically dead, axtually preferred for most sound guys....but it is brittle when exposed to stress and hunidity... so 🤏🤌
I still take the Bugera at lower cost even if cab self destructs .... turbo sound speakers 🔊 are awesome sounding speakers!
Yeah they are ! This person probably just never heard of 5hem. They have been used by bands and mystic concerts and festivals since the 70’s and are the top of the line drivers in the black label behringer speakers that came after Music Group took over Midas and Turbosound etc.