I knew Carrier/Bryant didn't make any wireless sensors of their own, but I had no idea there were compatible 3rd party systems like this one. This video was very helpful, thanks!
Thanks Ryan. Great info and video. You are the gold standard for distributor training videos. We really appreciate your work. Paul L. Weiss - Airefco Service Manager
Hi there, I was pretty excited about this setup after watching the video. I bought the same control and did everything the same way you did. I can’t get a temp reading on the UI. I bought another one and still have the same problem. Just wondering if you might have an idea of what could be going on there? And I did pull the wires To check and I was at about 12 K ohms If I hook up a wired room sensor. Everything works fine. Thanks for your great videos.
Bryant should thank-you as I was on the fence of evolution extreme heat pump due to zoning options but had no idea how to get remote sensors to 1st floor.
Hi Ryan. Thank you for posting this video - super helpful! It would be nice if Carrier/Ion/Bryant dealers and regional experts knew the honeywell remote temp sensors worked as a remote temp sensor or a zone sensor. I have an Ion with my 2 stage communicating comfortmaker furnace and AC. Id love to add a zoning panel and a few zone sensors to help smooth out a couple rooms, but I cant get the local HVAC companies to do the work let alone believe the remote sensor will work. I wish you guys were in southwestern PA :)
We just asked Ryan and he said he built the national training modules for Carrier/Bryant (which obviously do not include Honeywell product) but when he presented that training to the Carrier/Bryant distributors, he did verbally discuss how to use either these Honeywell or the BAPI sensors. Now for that info to trickle down to the actual guys in the field at the dealers is another hurdle... hence the existence of this UA-cam channel.
Huge thanks on explaining this setup. I connected Honeywell Wired sensor directly to S1/S2 on Infinity and ran the wire to second floor. Worked very well. You mentioned In the beginning about alternative solution using BAPI sensors. Can you please provide part numbers for these?
Thanks for the video. I am getting the status code 16 on the zone control panel “communication issue” and the wireless zone is not being recognized. I have the wireless paired to the TR23 WS
FYI: the Honeywell receiver model # is WRECVR ($150) The transmitters models include: TR21-WS, TR23-WS, TR21-WK and TR23-WK The WK are the kits, the WS are just the sensors. The TR23 has an additional setpoint knob & override button. The kits are about $250
Slightly tangental but in a similar fashion to the wireless sensor do you know if you would be able to wire a ecobee up to the zoning system as a dumb thermostat instead of an ion remote/smart sensor? (While still having the main ion system control SYST0101CW for zone 1). Main motivation would be to reuse old ecobees lying around instead of buying the remote/smart sensors. Additonally wondering if the ecobee’s smart sensors be able to work as additonal sensors for a zone?
No, that will not work at all. Ecobee is a standard wired thermostat with G,Y,W,R,C type connections. Ion zoning is a communicating system and the smart sensors are Dx- and Dx+ signaling. The remote sensors for Ion are just thermistors.
It can handle anything for a normal residence. For 5 ton and smaller systems, the fan and ductwork can’t serve anything too far away anyway. But we will look up the answer.
I know you said that if we hook it up directly to the infinity controller that it will only use the sensor for temperature, BUT if we hook up to the zone board, will it then read both temperature and humidity??
No. There is no humidity sensor inside the Honeywell device. Plus for Infinity, the only option for humidity sensing is the sensor inside the main infinity wall controller.
If you were to remove the wires, in your example, from the zone board to test resistance, will the fact there is 24VAC power on one of those wires influence/alter the ohms value?
We understand why one might think that. But don’t forget you need two wires to complete any circuit and hence carry the voltage. So having just the common wire without the hot wire won’t give you 24vac.
Is there a solution for using the infinity controller and other wireless sensors to average a temp or set priority with out actual zone dampers? Similar to the ecobee with the wireless sensors.
Yes you can average sensors with a non-zoned Infinity stat. It is the same as thermistors on any controller, which means you “electrically average” them. That means you have to wire them in series parallel in groups if 1, 4, or 9 sensors. The wiring diagram has been the manual for 15+ years. With that said, averaging temperature sensors NEVER increases comfort. It just makes everyone equally uncomfortable. If you average upstairs with downstairs, for example, you may have an 8 degree spread before you install the sensors and still an 8 degree spread after. You need zone dampers to direct more or leas airflow to where it is needed if you want to make all rooms comfortable.
Ecobee… if you turn on Follow-Me… will only average sensors with occupancy detected. That is very different than simply averaging. With Follow-Me you can make the room you are in comfortable while overcooling or overheating the other rooms you are not in. So the best option is zoning, then occupancy based averaging like ecobee or Honeywell T10, and then everything else. Everything else includes a single sensor or averaged sensors.
@@TECTubefilms I have an ecobee 5 and sell lots of them, I don't use the follow me/occupancy mode, I use participation. It works really well in my 2 story house, mind you not every house is the same and I keep my fan on at all times and am able to keep 0-2 degree differential except when it gets 100 degree's plus outside. I've had a need for a few customers with broken up houses to use wireless sensors due to the struggle of running wires in finished houses. Mainly houses where bedrooms are on one end or upstairs like mine where they can prioritize the bedrooms at night and average everything during the day. I understand zoning is ultimately better, but due to the cost it is almost never chosen when these 2 options are presented. Like I said I've had great success with the ecobee using this set up but of course if the customer wants an infinity furnace ect I've been required to add a zone system to give them the same or similar function, no one like running wires either. I really enjoy watching many of your videos, very few do it as good as you. I'm a Carrier Dealer in Oregon, not a direct customer of yours.
Yes, ecobee participation would yield similar results to Follow-Me because it would only use sensors in some rooms that you care about and not average them all. There is not really a way to do that with any thermostats other than ecobee and Honeywell T10. Any stat that uses a single thermistor input for remote sensors won’t be able to do it.
@@TECTubefilms This is being installed in a home. I would like two sensors installed, one in the family room the other in the Living Room. The Ion thermostat is mounted in a hallway leading to the garage (horrible location). Therefore those two rooms get very warm (I live in S. FLA) while the hallway is cool. If two sensors work with on hub that is better for me than installing two hubs for two sensors.
@@nicholasdickson9137 If you install two sensors, then the stat will just average them. AVERAGING sensors NEVER work. It just makes both spaces equally uncomfortable instead of one comfortable and one not. No matter how many sensors you install, the temp differences between the family room, the living room, and the hallway will ALWAYS be the same.
@@nicholasdickson9137 Your best option is to relocate the Ion stat to either the living room OR the family room, but not both. If you cannot run wire to one of those locations AND you have space near your Ion stat to put this large wireless receiver, then put one remote wireless sensor in one of those two rooms.
@@nicholasdickson9137 An Ion Zone Damper system like shown in this video would allow you to condition the living room and family room separately with their own sensors and setpoints.
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I knew Carrier/Bryant didn't make any wireless sensors of their own, but I had no idea there were compatible 3rd party systems like this one. This video was very helpful, thanks!
Thanks Ryan. Great info and video. You are the gold standard for distributor training videos. We really appreciate your work.
Paul L. Weiss - Airefco Service Manager
Hi there, I was pretty excited about this setup after watching the video.
I bought the same control and did everything the same way you did.
I can’t get a temp reading on the UI.
I bought another one and still have the same problem.
Just wondering if you might have an idea of what could be going on there?
And I did pull the wires To check and I was at about 12 K ohms
If I hook up a wired room sensor. Everything works fine.
Thanks for your great videos.
Bryant should thank-you as I was on the fence of evolution extreme heat pump due to zoning options but had no idea how to get remote sensors to 1st floor.
Hi Ryan. Thank you for posting this video - super helpful! It would be nice if Carrier/Ion/Bryant dealers and regional experts knew the honeywell remote temp sensors worked as a remote temp sensor or a zone sensor.
I have an Ion with my 2 stage communicating comfortmaker furnace and AC. Id love to add a zoning panel and a few zone sensors to help smooth out a couple rooms, but I cant get the local HVAC companies to do the work let alone believe the remote sensor will work.
I wish you guys were in southwestern PA :)
We just asked Ryan and he said he built the national training modules for Carrier/Bryant (which obviously do not include Honeywell product) but when he presented that training to the Carrier/Bryant distributors, he did verbally discuss how to use either these Honeywell or the BAPI sensors. Now for that info to trickle down to the actual guys in the field at the dealers is another hurdle... hence the existence of this UA-cam channel.
Huge thanks on explaining this setup. I connected Honeywell Wired sensor directly to S1/S2 on Infinity and ran the wire to second floor. Worked very well. You mentioned In the beginning about alternative solution using BAPI sensors. Can you please provide part numbers for these?
Thanks for the video. I am getting the status code 16 on the zone control panel “communication issue” and the wireless zone is not being recognized. I have the wireless paired to the TR23 WS
Excellent video
Part numbers of the Honeywell devices shown in the video listed in your description would be a helpful add.
FYI: the Honeywell receiver model # is WRECVR ($150)
The transmitters models include: TR21-WS, TR23-WS, TR21-WK and TR23-WK
The WK are the kits, the WS are just the sensors. The TR23 has an additional setpoint knob & override button.
The kits are about $250
@@xyvyxthanks!
Slightly tangental but in a similar fashion to the wireless sensor do you know if you would be able to wire a ecobee up to the zoning system as a dumb thermostat instead of an ion remote/smart sensor? (While still having the main ion system control SYST0101CW for zone 1). Main motivation would be to reuse old ecobees lying around instead of buying the remote/smart sensors. Additonally wondering if the ecobee’s smart sensors be able to work as additonal sensors for a zone?
No, that will not work at all. Ecobee is a standard wired thermostat with G,Y,W,R,C type connections. Ion zoning is a communicating system and the smart sensors are Dx- and Dx+ signaling. The remote sensors for Ion are just thermistors.
What is the distances/ range for good communication?
It can handle anything for a normal residence. For 5 ton and smaller systems, the fan and ductwork can’t serve anything too far away anyway. But we will look up the answer.
Radio Frequency 2.4 GHz (IEEE Std 802.15.4-2003 compliant)
• Open Range: 3000 feet
• Typical Range: 100 feet
• Output power: 16dBm
• Receiver power consumption:
I know you said that if we hook it up directly to the infinity controller that it will only use the sensor for temperature, BUT if we hook up to the zone board, will it then read both temperature and humidity??
No. There is no humidity sensor inside the Honeywell device. Plus for Infinity, the only option for humidity sensing is the sensor inside the main infinity wall controller.
Thanks for your quick response.
If you were to remove the wires, in your example, from the zone board to test resistance, will the fact there is 24VAC power on one of those wires influence/alter the ohms value?
There is not 24vac on the temp signal wires.
@@TECTubefilms
Well, since one of the temp wires is in the same place as the common for 24V, I had to adk.
We understand why one might think that. But don’t forget you need two wires to complete any circuit and hence carry the voltage. So having just the common wire without the hot wire won’t give you 24vac.
Is there a solution for using the infinity controller and other wireless sensors to average a temp or set priority with out actual zone dampers? Similar to the ecobee with the wireless sensors.
Yes you can average sensors with a non-zoned Infinity stat. It is the same as thermistors on any controller, which means you “electrically average” them. That means you have to wire them in series parallel in groups if 1, 4, or 9 sensors. The wiring diagram has been the manual for 15+ years.
With that said, averaging temperature sensors NEVER increases comfort. It just makes everyone equally uncomfortable. If you average upstairs with downstairs, for example, you may have an 8 degree spread before you install the sensors and still an 8 degree spread after.
You need zone dampers to direct more or leas airflow to where it is needed if you want to make all rooms comfortable.
Ecobee… if you turn on Follow-Me… will only average sensors with occupancy detected. That is very different than simply averaging. With Follow-Me you can make the room you are in comfortable while overcooling or overheating the other rooms you are not in.
So the best option is zoning, then occupancy based averaging like ecobee or Honeywell T10, and then everything else. Everything else includes a single sensor or averaged sensors.
@@TECTubefilms I have an ecobee 5 and sell lots of them, I don't use the follow me/occupancy mode, I use participation. It works really well in my 2 story house, mind you not every house is the same and I keep my fan on at all times and am able to keep 0-2 degree differential except when it gets 100 degree's plus outside. I've had a need for a few customers with broken up houses to use wireless sensors due to the struggle of running wires in finished houses. Mainly houses where bedrooms are on one end or upstairs like mine where they can prioritize the bedrooms at night and average everything during the day. I understand zoning is ultimately better, but due to the cost it is almost never chosen when these 2 options are presented. Like I said I've had great success with the ecobee using this set up but of course if the customer wants an infinity furnace ect I've been required to add a zone system to give them the same or similar function, no one like running wires either.
I really enjoy watching many of your videos, very few do it as good as you. I'm a Carrier Dealer in Oregon, not a direct customer of yours.
Yes, ecobee participation would yield similar results to Follow-Me because it would only use sensors in some rooms that you care about and not average them all.
There is not really a way to do that with any thermostats other than ecobee and Honeywell T10. Any stat that uses a single thermistor input for remote sensors won’t be able to do it.
Can you use two sensors on one hub?
Why would you want to do that?
@@TECTubefilms This is being installed in a home. I would like two sensors installed, one in the family room the other in the Living Room. The Ion thermostat is mounted in a hallway leading to the garage (horrible location). Therefore those two rooms get very warm (I live in S. FLA) while the hallway is cool. If two sensors work with on hub that is better for me than installing two hubs for two sensors.
@@nicholasdickson9137 If you install two sensors, then the stat will just average them. AVERAGING sensors NEVER work. It just makes both spaces equally uncomfortable instead of one comfortable and one not. No matter how many sensors you install, the temp differences between the family room, the living room, and the hallway will ALWAYS be the same.
@@nicholasdickson9137 Your best option is to relocate the Ion stat to either the living room OR the family room, but not both. If you cannot run wire to one of those locations AND you have space near your Ion stat to put this large wireless receiver, then put one remote wireless sensor in one of those two rooms.
@@nicholasdickson9137 An Ion Zone Damper system like shown in this video would allow you to condition the living room and family room separately with their own sensors and setpoints.
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