A great thing with this channel, a lot of information and good videos: But it is not like they are hammering you with "Lucky Gunner is the best." He just says it once, and then it is is there at the end of video as an image for a few moments.
I don’t know if I agree I’ve shot over 500 rounds of 32 acp with my LCR 327 with no issues 🤔🤔 your right, there is tumbling but at 5 yards it’s pretty accurate.. 🇺🇸🇺🇸
I took a gun in to fix for a buddy with light primer strikes. It was a 32 H&R mag. He was firing 32 auto out of it. I changed his ammo with no further problems.
@@sunbeam8866 can I still get a zastava skorpion clone? Because a skorpion is plenty excuse enough for .32 acp, and now if the ammo is more available...
@@N0sf3r4tuR1s3n I'm not up on machine-pistols so I can't say. However, after I commented here more than a year ago, prices of 9mm and .380 were going through the roof, and suddenly, .32 acp arms and ammo got much more popular. Since then, 9mm and .380 prices came down some, while .32 acp is still kind of up there!
Very good info, my friend. Rim thickness basically determines head space, in a revolver. All of this made perfect sense to me... Keep up the GREAT work!!!! Love your channel!!!!!! One of the best, as far as "pure" info.
The .32 ACP was designed for semi-auto pistols and revolvers, but they had to be chambered for that cartridge. Finding a revolver in that chambering is very difficult, but they did exist; though, by that time, the pocket semi-auto was already proving itself to be the future of personal protection.
Maybe revolvers chambered for .32 ACP could be scarce in USA, but models made in Belgium and Spain at a century ago are relatively common in Europe and South America - but those chambered for .25 Auto are far more common, like the Belgian "Le Novo" and double-barreled 20 shot (the cylinder has two layers of 10 chambers, fired alternately by a hammer with two firing pins) HDH.
@@MarkiusFox , Le Redoutable is in .25 ACP/6,35mm Browning. There's also Le Terrible, a 16-shot .32 ACP/7,65mm Browning. I had a Le Redoutable (aka Mitrailleuse) some decades ago.
Excellent video. It's always best to explore fully the pros and cons of a situation. The moral of this video is, use the ammo your pistol was designed to fire. But in an emergency, if all you have left is some old .32 ACP and you're totally out of .32 S&W Long, .32 H&R, and .327, then by all means use it rather than be left with an empty pistol especially if the bad guys are banging on your door. But in a normal situation, don't use the .32 ACP when you have access to proper .32.
The only "problem" I've had with firing 32acp is needing a screwdriver to push the Shell casing. That's why I'm getting the cylinder milled for moon clips. Which will eliminate that Gap at the firing pin you mentioned. I don't shoot 32acp from my LCR for defensive use. It's one of a few guns we use at the farm to dispatch pests close to the house or bothering the animals in the buildings. I've had 32 SW long go straight through the pest and poke a hole in the building. 32sw(short) is too hard to get a regular supply. Plus there's 3 other semiauto pistols shooting 32acp. So I just use the 32acp. Accuracy doesn't suffer when you're shooting no more than 6 feet away but most 3-4 feet away. They might be "tumbling" but they still penetrate!
@@vanrickenstien I sent it to tkcustom.com Email them for the info. I have them doing the cylinder on mine but they're also making me close to 100 moon clips for it. So my price tag is pretty outrageous. But my LCR is one of my favorite guns for training people and having all those moon clips will help me have plenty of each caliber loaded up before the range trip so I don't have to waste time loading and unloading the moon clips.
@@vanrickenstien according to their website it's $37.50 for a set of 5. But I think they give you your first batch at a discounted price if you're buying them with the service of them milling your cylinder to take the moon clips. Your LCR cylinder isn't made to use moon clips, it has to be milled out to accept them. I don't remember how many is in the package when you're getting it milled, nor can I remember how much they initial batch is since I told them I wanted a significant amount more. But it's also best to buy the moon clips from the same company that Mills your cylinder.
thanks for the info I see under wood has some 32 acp plus p loadings too. Reload would be fast f or 6 rounds with little recoil and more compact then speed loader. Once cut for moon clips can other 32 rounds be used with the moon clips. @@CheifDegenerate
@@jarcher5626 i fired 2 cylinders worth of .32 Acp ammo through a beautiful 1929 colt pocket positive. It didn’t blow up but finding out this information is making me cringe so hard.
As much as I would like to disagree, your reasoning is sound. I fire the .32 acp in my Single Seven from time to time with no issues, but you are correct when you say it is best to stick with the ammunition your gun was designed for. Logic at its most simple. I think I will stop shooting that round in my Ruger. Thanks.
you are killing me, however I agree and im sure all ur aproaches n ideas are ON . i am a collector of various 32 revolvers, and i say thumbs UP on this vid. n Thank u
Dude You know your stuff. I worked 25+ years as a machinist. Ten thousandths of an inch play with any ammo is a chance one should not take. You're a good teacher...
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@@john-paulsilke893 you do realize the millions of undocumented immigrants actually play a big part of the economy? Who else would be willing to do all that hard, meanial work for complete shit pay? Should they have entered legally? Absolutely, that would make things better for everyone but the point is if they all get magically deported there would be massive price increases in alot of everyday things
I just gotta get a .327FM LCR... I’m a child of the ‘70s, so I roll with .38 Special... but .327FM just makes so much sense... 🤔 ahh, these new fangled gadgets and doodads, the world is changing so fast... 😆
Always good input. A best practice (even though we will remember to use it in a need to scenario) is that point of knowing what the Maker says about it. When you're in the fishbowl, after action, that's one of the points that is covered.
It works. I have done it. It is not recommended for usual practice. I have had some nuisance issues extracting from revolvers, accuracy is poor. If I really needed a gun and had only a .32 revolver and some .32 ACP ammo, then I would do it. In any case, neither the .32 ACP or the .32 H&R Mag in my wife's revolver are my only choices and that scenario is pretty unlikely. I appreciate you covering some of the more obscure possibilities. There are actually a lot more .32 revolvers and autos out there in use than the internet would have you believe.
Sounds so simple, but it is a theory that is very hard for a lot of people to comprehend. Not trying to call anybody out, but if the gun is designed for a certain caliber round, it really is just as simple as putting that round into the firearm. Short of not having an ammo supply, and simultaneously being in a life-threatening situation, and just happening to have the *almost* right size ammo close at hand, I can think of no reason to experiment.
@@9ZERO6 unless you have an old webley and cant get ammo for it easily. then you shoot .45 acp with half moon clips. lower pressure and you can plink with an old friend.
32 ACP, may not be the best for a 32 caliber revolver, but if it's all you have or could find, it could work. The 1895 Nagant revolver, has a special cylinder designed for 32 acp. Haven't tried it out yet...
When I first starting learning about the .327 mag, I read that the semi-rimmed .32ACP cartridges would work in it. I just thought “that’s an awful lot of freebore before hitting rifling.” It’s nice to hear that someone with more experience than I feels the same. Recently got an SP101 in .327 for my daughter (mostly😉) and I’m loving its versatility.
I just bought a Taurus in 327 and so far I like it. However, the 327 ammo is expensive-hard to find. If you don't mind sharing what did you pay for the SP101?
Yeah, tried it in my Ruger SP101 and it sometimes gets light primer strikes because of the increased clearnace like he noted in this video. However my buddy's Ruger single seven, seems to have no issues firing the 32acp. But the gap inbetween the cyclinder and the firing pin, seems to be less than my SP101.
I have heard of companies that will convert your Smith and Wesson models 30 & 31, and also the Colt Det Spl chambered in Colt 32 NP, (32 S&W long), to fire the 32 H&R magnum. It’s my understanding that the cylinders are simply reamed to a longer length to accept the H&R case. Do you know of these conversions, or any testing that has been done to these converted revolvers?
The pierced primer also illustrates why it is bad to fire .40 S&W out of certain 10mm semi-autos, particularly those with very long firing pin protrusion like a M1911 or S&W 1000-series. The same was true when older Spanish 9x23mm Largo pistols were once claimed to be multi-cartridge capable.
Some are capable of firing 38acp as well as 9mm largo as the rounds are roughly the same size with the 38 being semirimmed. My Astra 400 is specifically stamped as 9m/m & 38.
@@JohnDoe-nf7up - The problem is that some folks used to claim that you could also fire 9x19mm and 9x17mm (.380) through these 9x23mm pistols. The American Rifleman tested this back in the 1960s, printing photos of the backed-out, pierced, and completely blown-out primers.
The excess headspace might also explain some of the accuracy issues, particularly the vertical stringing. I wonder if a modern moonclip conversion might help here. Use case specific clips to provide the appropriate headspace for each rim thickness.
I see that TK Custom offers a 0.025" moonclip for .327 Ruger LCR. Unfortunately, the .32 ACP extractor groove is also 0.025" So perhaps TK Custom could be convinced to only machine the cylinder recess 0.015" deep? You wouldn't be able to use moonclips with the legacy revolver cases, but they could still headspace on the outer lip of the cylinder.
Partially, but it's not the only reason. I've yet to find a 71 to 73 grain FMJ .32 ACP bullet to shoot well in any .32 revolvers, even when I loaded the bullet in a .32 Mag or .327 case. The revolvers just don't like the bullet and I think it has something to do with the bullet's bearing surface being too short and the rifling twist not being adequate. In fact, in my .32 H&R and .327 guns, I find a 90 grain bullet to be the lightest bullet that shoots well. There's also the potential the low amount of powder in .32 ACP not causing the case to expand as much as the revolver cases do, so the case doesn't obturate fully and thus not all the gas is propelling the bullet. In fact, some of the gas is blowing by the bullet before it hits the cylinder throat and what that causes is inconsistent powder burn, which causes velocities to go all over the place. You don't want extreme highs and lows with ammo because that causes accuracy issues along with other factors.
@@LuckyGunner could you tell me what a mood clip is and and I have a 7:32 model Harrington in Richardson on the barrel it says s&w so that means I can only shoot Smith and Wesson bullets
I've got a Ruger 4.6" Single Six in .32 H&R. My first ammo out of it was .32 ACP/7.65mm I already had on hand. Not very accurate but no tumbling. I couldn't find any .32 H&R in my area. I used my Lee .32 ACP dies, Lee .223 shell holder to load some Lee .314 90 gr TLSWC into .32 S&W Long cases. I've been holding onto those cases for over 30+ yrs. Got some H&R brass to load now.
I have fired hundreds of .32 acp in both a Colt Police Positive Special and my Ruger SP101 in 32 H&R without issues. I agree accuracy suffers because of the distance to the barrel throat. My Ruger does a pretty good ejecting the semi-rimmed cartridge but it's not 100%. It's a novelty, and good to know if your caught with a 32 revolver and 32 acp only (?????).
My Ruger LCR 327 would not extract all of the 32 ACP shells from the cylinder, I ended up having to polk them out one by one. I just do not shoot 32 ACP in it.
I’m still shooting mostly Mini-Mags for my .22’s so there is little chance I’ll be trying to save a buck and a half on .32 ammo for one of my guns. (I don’t own any .32 firearms so it’s a moot point for me). I’m very lucky I can afford slightly higher quality range ammo and avoid most of the troubles cheap ammo causes, (except 7.62x39, which I shoot crap loads of because it always seems to work great and accuracy through overwhelming fire is cool sometimes).
To many IFs, COULD POSSIBLYs and OVERLY ACTIVE IMAGININGS for me to stop shooting .32 ACP from my DCG. Ruger's LCR in .327 Magnum. Different calibers will always have a different impact point from your gun. .32 short has a different impact point than .32 Long, or .327 Magnum. Powder, Bullet weight, even manufacturer all combine to provide different ballistic characteristics. I do enjoy your videos. Keep up the good work.
The hot gas from a pierced primer can erode the tip of the firing pin, making it rough. This rough firing pin in turn causes more stress on the next primer it hits, thus increasing the risk of another primer pierce. And so it goes. I have shot .32ACP in my SP101 and it does work; in fact I had no problem with it. But your video is convincing, so I will stop doing that. It's just a backup solution - viable, but better avoided if possible.
What about, and hear me out, a sleek little pocket revolver specifically designed for .32 acp. Good for concealment, and better than a .22 without dealing with the issues of pocket autos.
You are exactly right about whats going on with the primers and you are correct it can't cause any serious injuries but it make force you to make an unwanted trip to the gunsmith.
I had a .32 top break 6 shot h&r revolver chambered in .32 H&R short (yes it is a thing) and when i got it the person i bought it from said it shoot .32 s&w short. like the .32 acp, the .32 S&W short had a thinner rim (than the H&R Short) which would cause the primers to explode and shoot gas and metal shavings back through the firing pin hole. after about 200 rouds i figured something was up so i looked into the gun more and discovered the chambering of H&R Short. which also was a heeled bullet (like a .22 lr) so the .32 s&w short probably wasnt engaging what little rifling the gun had.
I have a 732 model Harrington and Richardson on the barrel it says Smith and Wesson I can shoot Smith & Wesson short and Smith and Wesson loan the rim on those seem to be the same that was acquired for that gun. Get back with me
As per SAAMI specifications .32 ACP has a larger bore diameter (0.304") than .327 fed etc. (0.303"), so that's not the cause of your accuracy issues. The problem is most likely the longer chamber reamed out at the cartridge diameter providing no support for the short .32 ACP projectile as it leaves the case mouth.
Only looking up gun stuff for drawing reference purposes but guns now weirdly interest me because of this. Oh dear. Edit: Subbed to you, I find your content interesting.
So maybe a 32acp cylinder conversion, but it would take a long time before you get a return on investment. Only makes sense if you have a bunch of 32 acp pistols and just trying to reduce amount of different ammo you have to buy
Magtech makes the only hollow point .32 Long ammo I’ve been able to find. It comes in SJHP 50 rd boxes. I’d like to see Lehigh Defense make an “Extreme Penetrator” solid copper cartridge in that caliber. A good round for the old Smith & Wesson J frame and Hand Ejector revolvers.
This is true. It's the only commercial HP load available in that caliber, however, it will not expand. I have loaded and tested many different 32 ammo combos. 32 S&W, 32 S&W long, 32-20, 32 ACP, and 32 H&R. I enjoy loading them as they are cheap and fun to experiment with. I've tested the Magtech 32 long and it chronos at about 710fps out of a 4.5" barrel S&W. I could not get it to expand in any media. It's just too slow. I load 32 long with 100 grain hard cast SWCs to about 830 fps without being over on pressure. They do not expand but do penetrate well. The S&B 100 grain 32 new police load chronos at about 810fps and is the best off the shelf 32 long I've tested. Likewise S&B and Fiocchi 32ACP are by far the most potent off the shelf 32ACP I've tested with exception to speciality ammo like Buffalo bore.
That sucks because i was thinking a 3inch revolver would give .32acp some nice extra velocity compared to the pocket pistols you usually shoot .32acp out of.
I've been shooting and reloading for over 40 years. I've never seen factory .32 S&W Short or Long ammunition loaded with a FMJ bullet. They have always been loaded with a LRN bullet.
That deep indentation isn't from the cartridge backing up too far. All cartridges will back up to the breech face. What happened was the primer setting back into the firing pin BEFORE the case started back. Then as the cartridge came back into the breech face, it reseated the primer. If it was a pressure problem, all the cases would show similar signs. Since this seems to be a single case out of a cylinder, you should suspect either a dirty chamber, or one with some roughness. I, personally, would suspect a rough chamber first (since I have dealt with the issue before). The 32 acp and the other calibers are nominally the same size. The lack of stability is very possibly related to the excessive "jump" to the barrel (as you suggest), but I believe it is more likely related to FMJ bullets vs lead bullets. Lead will more easily upset into the rifling, and the FMJ's are probably stripping some of the rifling grooves before starting to spin. The bullets aren't keyholeing, they are yawing. Try some lead bullet 32acp and see if there is a difference. All in all, you make some valid points, but since you have an audience, don't discount the 32 acp from the 32 discussion. There have been several guns made over the years that utilize numerous cartridges - Astra 9mm for example, or the S&W Governor, or that oddball I can't remember the name of that's supposed to be capable of using 27 different cartridges (yea, right). Good discussion, good points, but I would disagree with the conclusion.
might also mention that 32 ACP has significantly higher pressure than 32 long - or short. another good reason not to use 32 ACPs in older, non-magnum revolvers....
@@obi-wankenobi1750 Some of those older revolvers may not have had their cylinders heat treated to handle the pressures of modern smokeless powders. You might do some research on the brand of revolver you own to verify if the cylinder was properly heat treated. S&W started heat treating their cylinders in either 1905 or 1915 I think, I'm not sure of the exact date.
I have a 32 clerke 1st 32 s&w; 142744. the amo from my am I 32 won't fit. it seams like this is a hard to get round. I need a box that works in my revolver
Shoot .32 ACP through my Taurus 327 revolver with accuracy and no issues. The 327 allows me to shoot multiple calibers and is a awesome revolver.
@ベルトルト what?
Did your .32 ACP bullets tumble?
@@jeffyoung60 No
That's how you segue into a self-promotion. Bravo sir
A great thing with this channel, a lot of information and good videos: But it is not like they are hammering you with "Lucky Gunner is the best." He just says it once, and then it is is there at the end of video as an image for a few moments.
I don’t know if I agree I’ve shot over 500 rounds of 32 acp with my LCR 327 with no issues 🤔🤔 your right, there is tumbling but at 5 yards it’s pretty accurate.. 🇺🇸🇺🇸
I hate a leaking gas hole.
@Born Unloved I am my own worst enemy. 😂
It shouldn't be a problem as long as the chamber stays dry.
@@sillybilly44444444 Sometimes it 'Depends' 😂
Beware the gashole.
@@a420man2 indeed😫
32 short also has a .045" rim thickness, just like 32 ACP. 32 log, h&r mag and 327 mag are all .055" rim thickness.
I took a gun in to fix for a buddy with light primer strikes. It was a 32 H&R mag. He was firing 32 auto out of it. I changed his ammo with no further problems.
The .32 caliber seems to be making a comback cause i'm seeing tons of vids on it as well as seeing alot of stuff in local shops.
In India it sold to legal gun owners in large nos manufatured by rmy factory.
Well, with the current craziness, .32 acp is now cheaper and easier to buy than 9mm or .380!
@@sunbeam8866 can I still get a zastava skorpion clone? Because a skorpion is plenty excuse enough for .32 acp, and now if the ammo is more available...
@@N0sf3r4tuR1s3n I'm not up on machine-pistols so I can't say. However, after I commented here more than a year ago, prices of 9mm and .380 were going through the roof, and suddenly, .32 acp arms and ammo got much more popular. Since then, 9mm and .380 prices came down some, while .32 acp is still kind of up there!
Very good info, my friend. Rim thickness basically determines head space, in a revolver. All of this made perfect sense to me... Keep up the GREAT work!!!! Love your channel!!!!!! One of the best, as far as "pure" info.
The .32 ACP was designed for semi-auto pistols and revolvers, but they had to be chambered for that cartridge. Finding a revolver in that chambering is very difficult, but they did exist; though, by that time, the pocket semi-auto was already proving itself to be the future of personal protection.
Maybe revolvers chambered for .32 ACP could be scarce in USA, but models made in Belgium and Spain at a century ago are relatively common in Europe and South America - but those chambered for .25 Auto are far more common, like the Belgian "Le Novo" and double-barreled 20 shot (the cylinder has two layers of 10 chambers, fired alternately by a hammer with two firing pins) HDH.
@@ericktamberg670 The 20 shot revolver you're talking about (Le Redoubtable) isn't in .25 ACP.
@@MarkiusFox , Le Redoutable is in .25 ACP/6,35mm Browning. There's also Le Terrible, a 16-shot .32 ACP/7,65mm Browning.
I had a Le Redoutable (aka Mitrailleuse) some decades ago.
You've done your homework. Awesome video and keep it coming!
Great “off label” topic. Thanks for answering that.
Excellent video. It's always best to explore fully the pros and cons of a situation. The moral of this video is, use the ammo your pistol was designed to fire. But in an emergency, if all you have left is some old .32 ACP and you're totally out of .32 S&W Long, .32 H&R, and .327, then by all means use it rather than be left with an empty pistol especially if the bad guys are banging on your door. But in a normal situation, don't use the .32 ACP when you have access to proper .32.
great review, it's a good round, any .32 was used for years and still is.
I bet all of the 32's & 327 rounds would be a lot of fun to reload. Esp when casting ur own lead. Awesome video again guys, thanks! ✴️🔫
The only "problem" I've had with firing 32acp is needing a screwdriver to push the Shell casing. That's why I'm getting the cylinder milled for moon clips. Which will eliminate that Gap at the firing pin you mentioned.
I don't shoot 32acp from my LCR for defensive use. It's one of a few guns we use at the farm to dispatch pests close to the house or bothering the animals in the buildings. I've had 32 SW long go straight through the pest and poke a hole in the building. 32sw(short) is too hard to get a regular supply. Plus there's 3 other semiauto pistols shooting 32acp. So I just use the 32acp. Accuracy doesn't suffer when you're shooting no more than 6 feet away but most 3-4 feet away. They might be "tumbling" but they still penetrate!
Who are you going to s end it to for moon clips and how much ?
@@vanrickenstien I sent it to tkcustom.com
Email them for the info. I have them doing the cylinder on mine but they're also making me close to 100 moon clips for it. So my price tag is pretty outrageous. But my LCR is one of my favorite guns for training people and having all those moon clips will help me have plenty of each caliber loaded up before the range trip so I don't have to waste time loading and unloading the moon clips.
Cool. What do they charge per moon clip? Thanks for the info appreciate it just bought a 327 lcr x @@CheifDegenerate
@@vanrickenstien according to their website it's $37.50 for a set of 5. But I think they give you your first batch at a discounted price if you're buying them with the service of them milling your cylinder to take the moon clips. Your LCR cylinder isn't made to use moon clips, it has to be milled out to accept them. I don't remember how many is in the package when you're getting it milled, nor can I remember how much they initial batch is since I told them I wanted a significant amount more. But it's also best to buy the moon clips from the same company that Mills your cylinder.
thanks for the info I see under wood has some 32 acp plus p loadings too. Reload would be fast f or 6 rounds with little recoil and more compact then speed loader. Once cut for moon clips can other 32 rounds be used with the moon clips. @@CheifDegenerate
Thanks for the video as always. You just confirmed the same things I ran into with mine. I couldn't find any good info on it before your video.
It's important to remember that .32acp ammunition can be fired in modern .32 revolvers IN AN EMERGENCY.
Not in the H&M revolver
Only one shot. Then you get to visit the gunsmith 😂Ask me how I know.
@@jarcher5626 oof.
@@jarcher5626 i fired 2 cylinders worth of .32 Acp ammo through a beautiful 1929 colt pocket positive. It didn’t blow up but finding out this information is making me cringe so hard.
Let me guess. The .32 ACP damaged your .32 revolver.@@jarcher5626
As much as I would like to disagree, your reasoning is sound. I fire the .32 acp in my Single Seven from time to time with no issues, but you are correct when you say it is best to stick with the ammunition your gun was designed for. Logic at its most simple. I think I will stop shooting that round in my Ruger. Thanks.
My old Taurus 32 long shoots 32 ACP fine. Cylinder to throat length is only 16th in. longer than the regular 32 long case.
you are killing me, however I agree and im sure all ur aproaches n ideas are ON . i am a collector of various 32 revolvers, and i say thumbs UP on this vid. n Thank u
I'm so wanting Henry to make a side loading gate lever action in 327 mag. I'd pair it up with two Ruger gp100 Lipseys models. Dreams are nice.
Dude
You know your stuff.
I worked 25+ years as a machinist. Ten thousandths of an inch play with any ammo is a chance one should not take.
You're a good teacher...
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@@john-paulsilke893 you do realize the millions of undocumented immigrants actually play a big part of the economy? Who else would be willing to do all that hard, meanial work for complete shit pay? Should they have entered legally? Absolutely, that would make things better for everyone but the point is if they all get magically deported there would be massive price increases in alot of everyday things
Legitpenguins69 BS!!
A year later, with the virus and the riots, the 'undead hordes' have sure managed to force much local commerce to a grinding halt!
@@sunbeam8866 cry me a river mark.
Excellent reporting. Factually precise and well presented.
I just gotta get a .327FM LCR... I’m a child of the ‘70s, so I roll with .38 Special... but .327FM just makes so much sense... 🤔 ahh, these new fangled gadgets and doodads, the world is changing so fast... 😆
Always good input. A best practice (even though we will remember to use it in a need to scenario) is that point of knowing what the Maker says about it. When you're in the fishbowl, after action, that's one of the points that is covered.
Love the 32. Thanks for the vid sir.
good info
Thanks for the info, I was wondering about that because I am very interested in the 32 h&r.
It works. I have done it. It is not recommended for usual practice. I have had some nuisance issues extracting from revolvers, accuracy is poor. If I really needed a gun and had only a .32 revolver and some .32 ACP ammo, then I would do it. In any case, neither the .32 ACP or the .32 H&R Mag in my wife's revolver are my only choices and that scenario is pretty unlikely. I appreciate you covering some of the more obscure possibilities. There are actually a lot more .32 revolvers and autos out there in use than the internet would have you believe.
Well with that thinking about travel from cyl to barrel you can say same thing about the 32 short.
.32 short was a BLACK POWDER cartridge!! So any gun that is chambered in .32 short will not be built for that high of pressure!!!
@@wesdodson9391 Lots of rounds started out black powder, 38 special, 30-30, 303, even the 22 rim fire.
Lucky Gunner: Busting caps and myths.
Good rule of thumb is to always feed your gun what it's designed to fire.... case closed
Sounds so simple, but it is a theory that is very hard for a lot of people to comprehend. Not trying to call anybody out, but if the gun is designed for a certain caliber round, it really is just as simple as putting that round into the firearm. Short of not having an ammo supply, and simultaneously being in a life-threatening situation, and just happening to have the *almost* right size ammo close at hand, I can think of no reason to experiment.
You're boring...
If your gun starts eating instead of firing then the walking dead are not far off.
No, you
@@9ZERO6 unless you have an old webley and cant get ammo for it easily. then you shoot .45 acp with half moon clips. lower pressure and you can plink with an old friend.
32 ACP, may not be the best for a 32 caliber revolver, but if it's all you have or could find, it could work. The 1895 Nagant revolver, has a special cylinder designed for 32 acp. Haven't tried it out yet...
Thank you for addressing this issue. I always wondered about compatibility.
When I first starting learning about the .327 mag, I read that the semi-rimmed .32ACP cartridges would work in it. I just thought “that’s an awful lot of freebore before hitting rifling.” It’s nice to hear that someone with more experience than I feels the same. Recently got an SP101 in .327 for my daughter (mostly😉) and I’m loving its versatility.
I just bought a Taurus in 327 and so far I like it. However, the 327 ammo is expensive-hard to find. If you don't mind sharing what did you pay for the SP101?
I just wanna try it once because it seems cool that it ended up being compatible with 32 s&w long and similar revolvers, seemingly by chance.
I'd definitely stick to an automatic if I were to use .32ACP.
Thank you- that’s oh so tempting... 32 revolver, not ignoring your advice.
Yeah, tried it in my Ruger SP101 and it sometimes gets light primer strikes because of the increased clearnace like he noted in this video. However my buddy's Ruger single seven, seems to have no issues firing the 32acp. But the gap inbetween the cyclinder and the firing pin, seems to be less than my SP101.
I have heard of companies that will convert your Smith and Wesson models 30 & 31, and also the Colt Det Spl chambered in Colt 32 NP, (32 S&W long), to fire the 32 H&R magnum. It’s my understanding that the cylinders are simply reamed to a longer length to accept the H&R case. Do you know of these conversions, or any testing that has been done to these converted revolvers?
The pierced primer also illustrates why it is bad to fire .40 S&W out of certain 10mm semi-autos, particularly those with very long firing pin protrusion like a M1911 or S&W 1000-series. The same was true when older Spanish 9x23mm Largo pistols were once claimed to be multi-cartridge capable.
Some are capable of firing 38acp as well as 9mm largo as the rounds are roughly the same size with the 38 being semirimmed. My Astra 400 is specifically stamped as 9m/m & 38.
@@JohnDoe-nf7up - The problem is that some folks used to claim that you could also fire 9x19mm and 9x17mm (.380) through these 9x23mm pistols. The American Rifleman tested this back in the 1960s, printing photos of the backed-out, pierced, and completely blown-out primers.
You are correct across the board.. Thank you.
The excess headspace might also explain some of the accuracy issues, particularly the vertical stringing. I wonder if a modern moonclip conversion might help here. Use case specific clips to provide the appropriate headspace for each rim thickness.
Definitely a possibility.
I see that TK Custom offers a 0.025" moonclip for .327 Ruger LCR. Unfortunately, the .32 ACP extractor groove is also 0.025" So perhaps TK Custom could be convinced to only machine the cylinder recess 0.015" deep? You wouldn't be able to use moonclips with the legacy revolver cases, but they could still headspace on the outer lip of the cylinder.
Partially, but it's not the only reason. I've yet to find a 71 to 73 grain FMJ .32 ACP bullet to shoot well in any .32 revolvers, even when I loaded the bullet in a .32 Mag or .327 case. The revolvers just don't like the bullet and I think it has something to do with the bullet's bearing surface being too short and the rifling twist not being adequate.
In fact, in my .32 H&R and .327 guns, I find a 90 grain bullet to be the lightest bullet that shoots well.
There's also the potential the low amount of powder in .32 ACP not causing the case to expand as much as the revolver cases do, so the case doesn't obturate fully and thus not all the gas is propelling the bullet. In fact, some of the gas is blowing by the bullet before it hits the cylinder throat and what that causes is inconsistent powder burn, which causes velocities to go all over the place.
You don't want extreme highs and lows with ammo because that causes accuracy issues along with other factors.
What is a moon clip
@@LuckyGunner could you tell me what a mood clip is and and I have a 7:32 model Harrington in Richardson on the barrel it says s&w so that means I can only shoot Smith and Wesson bullets
Had similar issues with failing to release from the cylinder with 32 ACP, however, the accuracy wasn't bad at all.
I've got a Ruger 4.6" Single Six in .32 H&R. My first ammo out of it was .32 ACP/7.65mm I already had on hand. Not very accurate but no tumbling. I couldn't find any .32 H&R in my area. I used my Lee .32 ACP dies, Lee .223 shell holder to load some Lee .314 90 gr TLSWC into .32 S&W Long cases. I've been holding onto those cases for over 30+ yrs. Got some H&R brass to load now.
Good analogy I'd say.
This video is Leroy Brown approved.
Baddest man in the whole damn town!
I have fired hundreds of .32 acp in both a Colt Police Positive Special and my Ruger SP101 in 32 H&R without issues. I agree accuracy suffers because of the distance to the barrel throat. My Ruger does a pretty good ejecting the semi-rimmed cartridge but it's not 100%. It's a novelty, and good to know if your caught with a 32 revolver and 32 acp only (?????).
Extraction is an issue with 32 acp.
The case rims can get under the star extractor, but they just flick out with you finger.
They are not accurate.
It's kinda ironic (here in 2020) that he mentions the Zombie Apocalypse....
My Ruger LCR 327 would not extract all of the 32 ACP shells from the cylinder, I ended up having to polk them out one by one. I just do not shoot 32 ACP in it.
But they work.
Maybe the tumbling will improve its close range effectiveness lol
I’m still shooting mostly Mini-Mags for my .22’s so there is little chance I’ll be trying to save a buck and a half on .32 ammo for one of my guns. (I don’t own any .32 firearms so it’s a moot point for me). I’m very lucky I can afford slightly higher quality range ammo and avoid most of the troubles cheap ammo causes, (except 7.62x39, which I shoot crap loads of because it always seems to work great and accuracy through overwhelming fire is cool sometimes).
Unfortunately Lehigh Defense only makes .311 anymore (32 ACP) and not .312 (the other mentioned 32’s). Thanks for another informative video.
Andy McGowan- use one 00 buck pellet. They will crimp and extend your need to shoot some cheap Ammo
There might be a clip made. Like the clips for the colt .45 acp. for shooting In revolvers.
To many IFs, COULD POSSIBLYs and OVERLY ACTIVE IMAGININGS for me to stop shooting .32 ACP from my DCG. Ruger's LCR in .327 Magnum. Different calibers will always have a different impact point from your gun. .32 short has a different impact point than .32 Long, or .327 Magnum. Powder, Bullet weight, even manufacturer all combine to provide different ballistic characteristics. I do enjoy your videos. Keep up the good work.
Very good video bro. Thanks for looking out.
The hot gas from a pierced primer can erode the tip of the firing pin, making it rough. This rough firing pin in turn causes more stress on the next primer it hits, thus increasing the risk of another primer pierce. And so it goes.
I have shot .32ACP in my SP101 and it does work; in fact I had no problem with it. But your video is convincing, so I will stop doing that. It's just a backup solution - viable, but better avoided if possible.
Do a segment on firing .380 ACP through a 9-makarov.
Ever done that? 9x18 is cheap in bulk.
What about, and hear me out, a sleek little pocket revolver specifically designed for .32 acp. Good for concealment, and better than a .22 without dealing with the issues of pocket autos.
Yes you can can, a Nagant with an old school conversion cylinder...
. 32 ACP and. 32 short revolver are similar. Only the copper jacketing is different and the rim.
Use a Ruger Single Six in .32 H&R Magnum.
You are exactly right about whats going on with the primers and you are correct it can't cause any serious injuries but it make force you to make an unwanted trip to the gunsmith.
Y’all should advertise your shipping as faster than 45 acp, sounds awesome and the velocity threshold of 45 acp is easily beat
Does Winchester still make silver tips in 32 ACP? I have about 40 rounds left and have not seen anyone that has any in stock. Great videos!
You are correct.....
Yes, it absolutely can if the revolver's chambered for it.
I had a .32 top break 6 shot h&r revolver chambered in .32 H&R short (yes it is a thing) and when i got it the person i bought it from said it shoot .32 s&w short. like the .32 acp, the .32 S&W short had a thinner rim (than the H&R Short) which would cause the primers to explode and shoot gas and metal shavings back through the firing pin hole. after about 200 rouds i figured something was up so i looked into the gun more and discovered the chambering of H&R Short. which also was a heeled bullet (like a .22 lr) so the .32 s&w short probably wasnt engaging what little rifling the gun had.
I have a 732 model Harrington and Richardson on the barrel it says Smith and Wesson I can shoot Smith & Wesson short and Smith and Wesson loan the rim on those seem to be the same that was acquired for that gun. Get back with me
Always informative. Thanks for a great video
As per SAAMI specifications .32 ACP has a larger bore diameter (0.304") than .327 fed etc. (0.303"), so that's not the cause of your accuracy issues. The problem is most likely the longer chamber reamed out at the cartridge diameter providing no support for the short .32 ACP projectile as it leaves the case mouth.
Only looking up gun stuff for drawing reference purposes but guns now weirdly interest me because of this. Oh dear.
Edit: Subbed to you, I find your content interesting.
You can hammer in a nail with a screwdriver... but it's not advisable. It's always best to use the tool designed for the application.
I just now checked. A search at Lucky Gunner of .32 S&W long yields “no results”. There is also no .32 acp at all available.
You are actually wrong about the bullet size, 32 acp, 32 s&w, 32 long, 32 h&r magnum, and 327 fed magnum are all .312" in diameter.
Sure wish my vintage 32 break-tops could handle 32 magnum or 327. They could easily chamber and fire .32 acp, though safety would be questionable.
I have a 32 ACP tomcat and I'm buying a 32 h&r pistol I wonder if I can fire the 32 through the other one
The extra length in the cylinders acts as extra freebore
Good advice. I can shoot .38 super out of my .357 magnum. But now that caliber is so rare it doesn't make any sense.
So maybe a 32acp cylinder conversion, but it would take a long time before you get a return on investment. Only makes sense if you have a bunch of 32 acp pistols and just trying to reduce amount of different ammo you have to buy
thank you for the clarification
No .32-20 revolver video?
You can shoot 32acp in a 32-20, 30 carbine revolver.
Magtech makes the only hollow point .32 Long ammo I’ve been able to find. It comes in SJHP 50 rd boxes. I’d like to see Lehigh Defense make an “Extreme Penetrator” solid copper cartridge in that caliber. A good round for the old Smith & Wesson J frame and Hand Ejector revolvers.
This is true. It's the only commercial HP load available in that caliber, however, it will not expand. I have loaded and tested many different 32 ammo combos. 32 S&W, 32 S&W long, 32-20, 32 ACP, and 32 H&R. I enjoy loading them as they are cheap and fun to experiment with. I've tested the Magtech 32 long and it chronos at about 710fps out of a 4.5" barrel S&W. I could not get it to expand in any media. It's just too slow. I load 32 long with 100 grain hard cast SWCs to about 830 fps without being over on pressure. They do not expand but do penetrate well. The S&B 100 grain 32 new police load chronos at about 810fps and is the best off the shelf 32 long I've tested. Likewise S&B and Fiocchi 32ACP are by far the most potent off the shelf 32ACP I've tested with exception to speciality ammo like Buffalo bore.
3:47 Hmm, perhaps I am also not chambered in 32 ACP.
If you try real hard, you’d be surprised what you can personally chamber.
That sucks because i was thinking a 3inch revolver would give .32acp some nice extra velocity compared to the pocket pistols you usually shoot .32acp out of.
Extraction is no problem in my Ruger Single Six.
I've been shooting and reloading for over 40 years. I've never seen factory .32 S&W Short or Long ammunition loaded with a FMJ bullet. They have always been loaded with a LRN bullet.
Can you fire a 32 auto from a 32 s&w revolver?
You're a 100% correct .32 acp isn't for any revolver!
Manufacturers have no incentive to recommend anything that poses even theoretical risk.
Well you can shoot 9mm out of 357 and 45 acp out of a 45 long colt. Just need moon clips or a cyl that's tapered to hold them
9mm won't fit unless the revolver was purposely designed to use it as well. The case head is about .393" where 357 mag is .380 inch.
yes, with half moon clips.
Timely video. Cancelling my 327 LCR order since I was gonna use it for double ammo duty
So you only want it if it can fire 5 different rounds?
No, I don’t care about the other calibers. It would just be efficient if it would shoot ACP since I have that ammo for a different gun
It can shoot it all the time no problem
@@grumpysquid it sounds like you want a 32 not a 327 man.
John Doe wrong again. I already got a 32. See my previous comment
Just bought a couple 50rd boxes of 73 grain FMJ Fiocchi and it says right on the front of the box in big letters, “PISTOL & REVOLVER” 🤷♂️
Revolvers specifically chambered for 32 ACP do exist, but they are fundamentally different from other 32 revolvers, like that LCR.
@@nogitrov2569 I’ve shot 32acp fine in the LCR. I wouldn’t make a habit of it but in the right emergency scenario it would work.
I’d love to buy ammo from you guys, but you don’t ship to ny...bummer for me. Fortunately other websites do
facts. science. well done!
That deep indentation isn't from the cartridge backing up too far. All cartridges will back up to the breech face. What happened was the primer setting back into the firing pin BEFORE the case started back. Then as the cartridge came back into the breech face, it reseated the primer.
If it was a pressure problem, all the cases would show similar signs. Since this seems to be a single case out of a cylinder, you should suspect either a dirty chamber, or one with some roughness. I, personally, would suspect a rough chamber first (since I have dealt with the issue before).
The 32 acp and the other calibers are nominally the same size. The lack of stability is very possibly related to the excessive "jump" to the barrel (as you suggest), but I believe it is more likely related to FMJ bullets vs lead bullets. Lead will more easily upset into the rifling, and the FMJ's are probably stripping some of the rifling grooves before starting to spin. The bullets aren't keyholeing, they are yawing. Try some lead bullet 32acp and see if there is a difference.
All in all, you make some valid points, but since you have an audience, don't discount the 32 acp from the 32 discussion. There have been several guns made over the years that utilize numerous cartridges - Astra 9mm for example, or the S&W Governor, or that oddball I can't remember the name of that's supposed to be capable of using 27 different cartridges (yea, right).
Good discussion, good points, but I would disagree with the conclusion.
The oddball revolver you're thinking of is the Phillips and Rodgers M47 Medusa. Forgotten Weapons did a great video about it.
@@gaia94 thanks 😊
@@kirkboswell2575 You're very welcome :)
Now we just need a revolver that can fire .50BMG in an emergency.
might also mention that 32 ACP has significantly higher pressure than 32 long - or short.
another good reason not to use 32 ACPs in older, non-magnum revolvers....
I shoot it out of my old 32 long made in 1919 but I might stop. I’ve never had any problems though
@@obi-wankenobi1750 how many .32 acp rounds do you think you’ve put through it?
@@obi-wankenobi1750 Some of those older revolvers may not have had their cylinders heat treated to handle the pressures of modern smokeless powders. You might do some research on the brand of revolver you own to verify if the cylinder was properly heat treated. S&W started heat treating their cylinders in either 1905 or 1915 I think, I'm not sure of the exact date.
I have a 32 clerke 1st 32 s&w; 142744. the amo from my am I 32 won't fit. it seams like this is a hard to get round. I need a box that works in my revolver
auto won't fit my rwvolver