There was no better story teller. Ever. When Bret recognized the potential in Austin, when he was still in Wcw as Stunning Steve, and told McMahon to bring him in, and the story Bret went on to tell with Austin, coupled with Austin’s innate talent, made 3:16’s career. When he saw the massive potential in Rock, he gave the Rock a chance, and protected him from all the backstage bullying, to the point that even till now while doing media for a movie, the Rock spots the interviewer wearing a Bret Hart shirt, and immediately stops and speaks about his love and respect for Bret. When he gave the Kid a chance by giving him a match that people started seeing the potential in Waltman! He still talks about it today. When he told Vince that he’d drop the IC title to Bulldog at Wembley, knowing that it would be a match that cemented his path to the main title. I remember he asked Vince if he wants to know the finish since Bret and Bulldog were closing the show, and Vince said, “surprise me”, and they gave them the best show of the night despite the fact that Bulldog had been on a crack binge, and told Bret he can’t remember anything of the match prior to their match. Bret told him to calm down and that he’d call the spots in the ring, and what a dam match he tailored! They put on a clinic. Bret could make careers, he was such an amazing storyteller. I loved that he wasn’t over the top, that he knew how to take his time, work the crowd bit by bit. Loved that he gave a shit about other talent. Michaels was magic in the ring, but it always about him. He couldn’t coach shit back then, or recognise potential. Bret made wrestlers by working with them and allowing their talent to shine through while holding his own. Dam the 90s was a great time in Wrestling.
@@carrorallison7656 Check out "my real life in the cartoon world of wrestling" ... definately, the best no-nonsense wrestling book out there cause it isn't produced by the wwe publishing house and as such, it's uncensored.
@@BizzyIzzy87 Yeah, I think if Vince and WCW don't know what to do with you, it's YOUR problem. Bret was mediocre, that's why they didn't know what to do with him. Plus after the canada vs us angle, nobody in America gave a shit about bret.
He was my all-time favourite... his technical but realistic style, his subdued character and scaled-back promos were exactly what worked for me as a young fan. But I understand what others didn't like about him, and why their tastes may have been more towards a Hogan, Shawn, Flair, Foley, Austin or Rock. It's all just taste.
Bret Hart is a worker. Just give him a belt and 20 minutes of TV time to defend it and he gets over. Simple as that. There were too many quality wrestlers in WCW that could have been put in the ring against Bret and they would have had phenomenal matches.
@Damien Jones never knew you know more than Stone Cold, Taker, Vinc McMahon and JR. How are you not running your own federation since you know so much more than all them and more?
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Jim ross jim cornett Vince wrestling critics called bret q draw. Chris beniot eddie guerreo nash only won world title once there reason for that. They could not draw but bret won it 5 times .he can draw
@Damien Jones you dont think bret was over??? U must have been born in 2000...bet you like aint elite wrestling...gtfoh...go watch young fucks and leave real wrestling opinions to those who saw it or those who see it and actually understand what they see...fuckin Mark
JR should transition into a role as the James Lipton of wrestling, from Inside the Actors Studio. He has the same soothing tone and he is very respectful.
No point in regretting that. I think it was Nash who said "we didn't go down there because we were going to do great work. It was the paycheck". As long as the checks cleared. He got what he wanted. Far as being used correctly goes. I thought he was doing his best work when he left the WWF. To me that storyline being aborted was a bigger loss than the numerous "what ifs" that surrounds the wcw run. I would have liked to have seen Bret go full on heel. Take the anti American gimmick so far even Owen considers it too much. Restarting their feud with Owen as the babyface.
Owen is the first wrestler that passed away that legit broke my heart! It was like I knew him or something. Bret is my all time favorite but Owen was right there with him. I use to joke that Bret was responsible for Stone Cold's legs and Owen his neck. Those Hart boys put work on that dude! 😁
I love JR’s story of any talent wanting to talk to Vince & he gave them this advice “ converse don’t confront, only confront if your ready to leave because he can live without you” man that’s oldschool honesty, people today need this
Well if we listen to 83 weeks we know that the landscape of WCW post '97 was suppose to be a little difference than what we got. The original plan was for Thunder to be the WCW show and Bret would headline that. Since that plan changed, it basically put Bret in purgatory and yes, at that point there wasn't much direction.
Bischoff was trying to make himself not look as dumb as he was when Bret showed up. Eric was like a dog that caught his own tail he didn’t know what to do with it and just looked stupid until an even stupider guy kicked Bret in the head. Complete waste to make a lot of money for everyone involved.
It’s always interesting whenever they bring up the “WCW would never know what to do with Bret,” and then you look at how the WWF booked him as champion, both World and IC, and you look at what the plans were for Bret in 1998 WWF, where he’d be losing to Shawn and Austin, and McMahon had no definitive plans beyond that, so honestly staying wouldn’t have been much better.
Bret should have gone to NJPW but WCW wasted his talent and so many others. Exactly bret hart was a pro wrestler not a showman. His matches were classic.
There was so many matches and so many stories that were lost because of Hogan, Hall, Nash and Bischoff holding everyone back and keeping themselves on top. Bret Hart just blames Bischoff when he should look at those guys too. I have zero respect for Hogan and Nash.
Brett has defined his legacy not as the best in ring technician but as the whiniest crybaby that ever laced up boots. It's not that management didn't know how to utilize him, it's that his ego and presumed creative control stood in the way of bringing his talents to both the audience and his fellow wrestlers.
It pisses me off today when I realize the Blue Blazer gimick was being done as a way to bury him. I thought it was a hilarious angle at the time and wanted Owen to get a big push. They were doing it to destroy him and belittle him (and it had to do with the influence of the kliq). This makes the tragedy of what happened so much worse because they were treating him like crap and neglected his safety too
@@kwrbt2979 I remember watching a video where Ted DiBiase was interviewed. And he said that Owen came from the perspective that pro wrestling was and should simply be about good vs. evil. I think that everybody knows that Owen vetoed a proposed angle where he was going to have an affair with Debra McMichael. He was worried what his children would think if they saw him involved with a woman other than his wife like that. The whole Blue Blazer gimmick was clearly meant to ridicule the image of the "good gooder" babyface from a bygone era, which was come the Attitude Era, out of step compared to anti-heroes like Stone Cold Steve Austin.
My respect for Bret grows as each yr that passes. Shawn will always be my personal favorite but Bret was amazing. P.s Sammy Zane is a dork (back in the day wrestlers were cool dudes. Sammy is the opposite of "cool")
I just cannot get past Shawn's behavior. He was a great talent but he tarnished that by being a primadonna and losing his smile, treating others like trash and almost always putting his interests above all others. Bret was confident and elevated his opponents because he understood the big picture. The fact Shawn helped screw Bret while at the same time not dropping the belt properly on a few occasions and throwing a hissy fit makes it very hard to respect Shawn
@@BeeBumper ...I still think screwjob was a "work" but idk? (Just to many red flags to ignore.) And I understand Shawn was a huge dirtbag, but I've heard Shawn say "everyone treated him like sh*t coming up so when he got to top he stuck it to everyone!" (At least Shawn could work...hogan was a dirtball *and* terrible worker) P.s Shawn best I've ever seen. When I was a kid wwe came to my town and filmed a Raw in my crappy local gym. Shawn and Razor had dark ladder match (must have been practicing for summerslam or something)...it was so awesome lol
Could you imagine the heat WCW would've had had they booked Bret to either win or attack the WCW champ the night of his debut and call out Shawn, etc. Eyes were on them because of Montreal and they failed to capitalize. Maybe he could have borrowed Flair's old line calling himself the real world champion when he entered the WWF. Obviously didn't have the belt but to use the title.
It was a shock to see Ric Flair in the WWF with the big gold belt cutting a promo calling it the real heavyweight world championship belt i was confused and entertained
I still think the way Martha and her children honored Owen is a quality way to honour him. I can understand their stance here whether it is what I want as a fan or not
Man I love this segment!!! Bret is my childhood hero and the best of the best!! The best part was Owen, and Kurt! I love the Perfect vs Hitman matches! Owen was amazing, just like Tom (Dynamite Kid) Billington, Dean Malenko, Chris Benoit. Man the technical wrestlers will always be the best in my opinion. Not only as a wrestler, but a fan as well
Goldberg hurt so many wrestlers. I saw Bret on his speaking tour last year and he went over all the guys Goldberg hurt.. like Curt Hennig Mr. Perfect coming back to the locker room in tears from Goldberg hurting him. Goldberg was a sh1tty wrestler and over hyped.. but can't deny his success but it wasnt worth it
I needed more heel Bret, was my favorite. I only got to see Bret in WCW (only watched WCW and first memories are from 98-99 so the steel plate segment was huge for me)
It’s crazy. WCW could of literally claimed to have the 2 best wrestlers under their banner. Their current champion... and the WWF champion that was cheated. They could of put Bret on a winning streak, constantly telling the viewer that he was still the champion as he wasn’t beaten in WWF. Whilst finishing off all storylines with their own title (Hogan v Sting). They didn’t have to then pit Bret vs Sting against each other. They could still of worked towards Goldberg. But keep Bret winning. Eventually leading to Champion vs Champion. They literally could of claimed to have the undisputed Heavyweight champion. Bret had to be a baby face arriving at WCW. He’d just been screwed. I do accept Bret was in a dark place due to the screw job and should of been more “up for it” in WCW. But surely it was Bischoff’s job to help Bret get out of that slump. Bret could of lead the next generation of WCW wrestlers. Jericho. Benoit. Eddie. Boy did WCW drop the ball.
Completely agree with this take. One of the biggest mistakes WCW did in my opinion a reason that led to their demise. Brett as a heel and teaming with hogan was baffling
I'm gonna be totally honest and I mean this. Bret was always my favorite. I'm not gonna lie I did like Hogan and Savage and Piper too but Bret was just in another league even when those said guys were around. It really pisses me off to this day how Vince and WCW did him. In Vince's case he just used Bret as the champ when it was convenient. After Hogan left Bret should have been The Man hands down no question. That horsehit at Wrestlmania 9 still burns my ass! In WCW's case they were just mismanaged and had no fucking clue what to do with anybody that wasnt Hogan and NWO. Just really shitty all around!
I wish Brett could stayed wwe I remember WWF watching him I was upset when he left and was like come on. And I really never got see him again after that screw job
Ultimately Bret Hart heart and loyalty was still intact with the WWF/WWE if that make sense it's the only thing you can rationalize that situation with WCW...
I don't know if it was loyalty or comfortably because Eric and Bruce on one of the shows were comparing notes just tbe two talking about how the situation with Bret evolved throughout 97 and ultimately realized Bret didn't want to go but Bret wanted to be the highest paid guy in 97 and only WCW could give that two him which meant all the people Bret didn't want to work with he was gonna have to go work with. Sucks we didn't get a Bret Heart 97 type character in WCW but that's what it is.
I side with Owen's family, WWE did a lot of bullshit trying to protect their mistake in killing Owen. I wish Bret would take a step back and realize that and just have no comment over it opposed to disagreeing with his sister-in-law.
That’s true about wcw not knowing how to use him, but wwf didn’t know what to do with him neither. He was just a great wrestler in the wrong era, he didn’t t fit in with the attitude era
After watching interviews from Martha, Oje and Christie in the Dark Side of the Ring about Owen's final days, I don't blame them for wanting nothing to do with WWF/WWE.
Yes, I agree with Bret on alot of things, but not letting WWE profit off a guy they literally had die on a ppv due to criminal negligence isn't something to be forgiven. If Bret was still with the WWF at that time he'd be more understanding.
@Jonathan Devereaux I was surprised she's collaborating with AEW for Owen Hart merchandise and a tournament named after him. I keep thinking that's to try and bring WWE out of business.
@@job489 That’s not why she did it. WWF were responsible for the angle and rigging that killed her husband. THEN they proceeded to sue Martha! She simply doesn’t want the now WWE using or profiting from Owen due to how they “handled” the scenario.
You would have the shuffle things up, but you could have Hart go up against Hogan and form a Canadian stable that goes against NWO. Then once that played itself out you can break the Canadian Stable up and have Hart go against the former members. Instead they had Hart wrestle for the WCW United Aging Stars Title.
No Canadian stables and WCW do not do that do not copy WWF. We should have had the final battle between WCW versus the NWO in the fall of 1998. But no we wanted to still do the New World order angle and we didn't know what to do with Bret Hart.. God is still pisses me off to this day.
@@attiepollard7847 WCW played up that Lance Strom was Canadian and even had him rename the US Title to the Canadian Championship. They could have and should have had Bret use his Canadian nationality too.
Owen versus Bret matches for two men going against one another with a variation of the exact same kind of mastery, you will never see anything like it again.
He could of had a 3-5 star match everytime if they put him with decent people. He did have some good WCW matches they was just so short. Him and Benoit wrestled once on thunder for 10 minutes
@@surferguy1974 such a dumb reason. Wins & loses aren’t real. It’s all predetermined outcomes. Having a great match & putting on a show for the crowd is the real win.. Hogan was more about getting his money than actually giving the fans their moneys worth.
I say part of that but also the other part was Bret Hart's damn contract that was too much money for that man. That's why I said that was a good thing that he left so we can usher in the attitude era at full steam so guys like Stone Cold Steve Austin and The Rock can get opportunities.
@@UFCWWE69 😂 are you dumb. If he never screwed Bret . then Bret never gets that concussion. He prob talks Owen out of coming down from the ceiling. And he doesn't have a seizure from all that stress. Bret was easily still in his prime when he got screwed
@@Magpie_Mark92 Thats 2-3 years later..... Irrelevant to the time frame in question. At the time Bret left no-one was jumping ship from WCW; they were winning the war at the time and WWF was financially running on fumes.
@@Magpie_Mark92 Ratings-wise and financially, in 97 WWF was still struggling...... Regardless, like i said to begin with; by the time Bret left in late 97 no big stars had left WCW for WWF....None.
@@Fukthepcpo-lease I haven’t watched the match-I only saw the ending-but almost paralyzing WWF’s hottest rising star and its soon-to-be biggest draw, forever altering his (Austin’s) wrestling style, counts as a bad match to me.
Bret thinks too much of himself but he was a bad fit for what WCW was doing with the constant run-ins, its dozens of stables, and a reliance on the stale nWo faction. Bret is instead the kind of guy who builds a story. He'll set it up in the promo. Let's say he''s fighting Billy Kidman. He would have begun it by talking up Kidman's speed. Then they'll do maybe a face to face where Bret seemingly can't keep up with the younger star. Then when they get in the ring they begin with Kidman running circles around him before Bret is finally able to counter that speed and close out the match. Best part is that Kidman looks like he could have had Hart on a better day. (And I just realize that I unintentionally almost described his match with 123 Kid.) But instead we get interference finishes with the Flock or some other weak, last-minute booking.
Everyone involved in WCW says they weren't used right. Bret got 3 mil a year and he still wouldn't shut the hell up about how he was screwed by Bishoff and McMahon.
Yeah but the problem was that Bret had all of the problems that he brought with him having had worked with Vince McMahon and having been screwed by Vince McMahon and having lost a brother live will television and having the company not really do the right thing about it either He came WCW and they didn't have anything for him to at that time and because of that he didn't really put any effort into it every one that has said and there on record he would show up to the arenas that they were doing a pay per view or doing nightro he would show up 45 minutes before show time and literally come in and say what do you want me to do and then he would do the match that he would leave he really didn't put any effort into it because he had issues and he didn't really believe in the company at ultimately when he got the concussions from wrestling Goldberg that was his way out because he really wasn't getting paid as much as when he was in WWE but it was enough to put of the bank and save some for retirement because he wasn't going to be wrestling for too many more years and ultimately when he left the company he walked away from wrestling in general
Yeah. WCW didn't know what to do with Brett but Brett also didn't know what to do with himself. Everyone in WCW at the time said he didn't even try. Showed up late to shows, left early, didn't have any ideas on what to do with his character.
Honestly....if they couldve afforded to pay him....I honestly think he would've fit better in ECW than he did in WCW. Would've been nice seeing him feud with Shane Douglas,or Taz or sabu,or RVD....bam bam was there....Jerry Lynn.....I think he really would've had some great matches there. Could've even took ECW to new heights....they'd still be in business today
i allways had the dream that wcw and wwf do a big event together. champions of both companies vs each other etc.stuff like that.to bad tehy never did that
My main complaint about all the belts WCW/NWA had. Like both companies claimed World Champion but technically they were just the Champion of said company. Every year the should have had the main Champion from each company fight, both tag teams, T.V. Champ vs Intercontinental vs U.S. three way in a cage with the 3 top contenders( make another belt to distinguish between the 2 and the 2 runner ups get the other 2 belts)
I always hate Bret's defense of "I was forced to go there." No one pointed a gun to his head and said that he had to go to WCW. I know that Vince couldn't honor the deal they had but you mean to tell me that Vince wouldn't try to negotiate SOMETHING to keep him on if Bret wanted to stay so bad? It's why I can't stand Hall and Nash saying the same thing. There's nothing wrong with admitting that you wanted the money. Just say you wanted the money, instead of making it sound like you went to WCW kicking and screaming.
Hogan top heel, Sting top face. It was a bit tricky to insert another starting QB in the mix. That said, great opportunity for 3 way cage matches, Hulk or Sting could have taken a hiatus... there were a lot of creative opportunities if people tried.
Noel. I think you had to ease Hogan out of the storyline if you want guys like Bret Hart sting, diamond, Dallas Page, and Booker t etc to be the top guys. Unfortunately Eric bischoff did not want to do that.
@@kazman_6899 no. I think he should have renegotiated Hogan's contract In 98. Give him the same the amount of money but take away his creative contract and he can still take the similar amount of time off but he has to show up on pay-per-view when Eric bischoff demands it.
@@attiepollard7847 Or... you could work around Hogan. I know it sounds absolutely radical. Hogan, Goldberg and Nash could be booked around. They certainly should seldom have jobbed.
The comments saying that Bret Hart was to boring to get over in WCW, is just BS. Bret Hart was hot and if you have a guy who was just screwed over by the company he loved, you have a big story line with anyone. Sting, Fair, Nash, any one would of done big ratings and have great matches. Hogan was main culprit in holding back Bret Hart because Hogan only saw Bret Hart as a Intercontinental title or USA title guy. Hogan didn't see Bret Hart as main eventer and Eric Bischoff was so influence by Hogan, that instead of creating something for Bret to do, he put him in the nwo and then put Bret in the dog house. Eric Bischoff said that Bret Hart was done when his Brother Owen died but I think Bret would of wanted to put Vince and the WWE out of business because of this. Eric Bischoff paid big money for Bret to sit around and do nothing, but Bret is worker , loves to wrestle and you don't use him to build story lines. Eric Bischoff can say that Bret Hart was half himself in WCW, but it was the lack of company direction that killed WCW and Bret Hart. Hogan and Eric were the dumbest people in wrestling. Bret did wrestle some good matches but they were put together so poorly, and the only match that was great was Owen Hart tribute match versus Chris Benoit.
Amazing how WCW wasted the tenures of some of the best technical wrestlers to ever grace the business. Bret, stone cold, all the cruiserweights. I have my qualms with WWE, but at least they gave us those matches back in the day
The only thing they did right was give a lot of matches to Dean Malenko. Besides Jericho and Benoit and Eddie, there wasn't much going on in the ring at WCW a lot of the time. You'd get the Steiner's in big suplex matches which was sweet but the top "talent" of the company absolutely sucked for years. Hogan's contract was fucking stupid too. The champ who doesn't work. Reminds me of Shawn Michaels but even worse because at least Shawn could work when he wanted to
@@timyumichuck9262 WCW had a lot more than just those four guys(the midcard and cruiserweight division was pretty stacked) and I think it's a little unfair to write off the main event stars like that. I feel like people group all the main event stars in with Hogan as no-talent politicians and that's not fair to guys like Sting, DDP, Savage, and so on.
Conrad the mortgage guy.. He wears a magic hat... And when he sees, a lost alumni.. He says hes aving that. (Read that like a british footie chant and it works)
Bret hart was never the problem even in the Wwe or Wwf during his title runs .. it was the booking and wwe terrible gimmicks before the attitude era ! He made so many people look better than they were
Unfortunately, the culture at WCW was not a place where an accomplished pro wrestler like Bret Hart could succeed. During the Monday Night Wars, WCW only had higher ratings that WWE for a short period of time. WWE adapted to peaks and valleys much better than WCW ever could because it was run by "more competent executives" than WCW had. Jerry Brisco and Pat Patterson complemented Vince McMahon perfectly, and all three of them worked like a fine tuned machine. In addition, Vince McMahon was more involved in his wrestling promotion than Ted Turner was in WCW. Not surprisingly, in 1999, following Kevin Nash's "Finger Poke of Doom", WCW's ratings began to decline, and by March of 2001, WCW was sold to Vince McMahon.
It makes sense, WWF was all Vince had(as you know, his other ventures back then failed), WCW was just one of the many companies Ted Turner owned so Vince really was fighting for his life in a way that Turner didn't have to.
bret left wwe for wcw for money. end of story. its his own fault for not seeing how packed wcw was and how they treated their roster and figuring out how he could fit in there before joining them. he chose not to, all he saw was dollar signs, he says himself he didnt want to leave wwe and knew from the start wcw werent going to use him as he wanted to be used. i actually just started a new game of EWR (wrestling sim) and started a 1998 mod and honestly i have no plans for bret either.
WWE was the one that let Bret go. WCW was on the rise and WWE was losing money. Cutbacks needed to be made and Bret had a pretty high salary. So Vince told him he should go to WCW and released him from his contract.
@@jeremyzak654 wcw was not "on the rise" lmao they had already hit its peak and the mcmahon/austin fued was growing. wcw created thunder, split the nwo and by april, wrestlemania time, wcw had lost it 83 weeks of dominance. if you have a contract, you cant just say "oops, i paid you too much, i have to let you go." thats not how a contract works. bret had a 20 year contract, he could have sued vince into the ground and won if he tried that. he was given permission to speak to wcw and they offered more money and bret and vince agreed to null the contract and wwe let him go. you literally countered nothing i said.
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Her ratings for wwe when bret was chmap in 1994 notice how wwe still most part beat wcw in ratings oswreview.com/history/tv-ratings-1994/
WCW misused a lot of great guys. I loved the cruiserweight matches that kicked off Nitro. But those guys never, ever got to mingle with the big guys. The sole exception that I can think of is Kidman doing a program with Hogan. Jericho, Guerrero, Mysterio... all went on to become legends in the WWE.
There were matches between big guys and cruiserweights but they never were against Hogan until Hogan feuded with Kidman. Like Chris Jericho having matches with Scott Hall.
Wcw's biggest problem was Hogan having creative control. If not, a lot of great matches and title reigns would have happened and WWE might not be around today. But nore would wcw regardless. So Hogan is to thank for WWE winning the Monday night wars and still being around today.
lol Bret got a TON of air time and PLENTY of opportunities working on tv. He didn’t move the needle. Sure he won the hearts of a bunch of die hard wrestling fans but they were already watching. He brought no one new to the product.
Bret Hart is my all time favorite wrestler. DID YOU SEE HOW WCW INTRODUCED BRET!?!?! With a shitty rendition of “Oh Canada.” As soon as they did that, I KNEW WCW would drop the ball with Bret!
Yeah but it's the segments and angles he was out into that killed it. The botched finish to that main event between Sting and Hogan. He never got his angle with Hogan he turned heel to babyface every other night. Some of it probably was Bret's fault their were nights he didn't seem to have it but maybe cause he knew the booking was shit to begin with.
They weren't allowed to do anything big with him. Hogan's creative control and ego prevented that. Hart was a nWo Hollywood lackey. 1 credit I gave to Russo, once he got there, he placed Hart in the main event.
WWE had talent who knew what to do with guys, how to build characters but they needed to have something to work with in order to pull it off. WCW had a lot of morons working for them who didn't know how to work guys with a lot of talent. Bret Hart had very little talent to work with so WCW had absolutely no clue what to do whereas WWE did know. THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE
They did but because Canada was WWE country they didn’t draw much. I do remember WCW tried with that Team Canada story line in 2000-01 and that failed but Bret was gone.
Bischoff never intended to make Bret become the big star Hogan was or go over him or the nWo because he was still a Vince McMahon guy and Bischoff's whole goal was to put Vince out of business. So all he needed to do in his mind was buying the biggest WWF stars one by one and steal their audience too. But Bret was never supposed to become the big new hero for WCW no matter what great storyline you could have done with Bret cause neither Hogan nor Bischoff would have gone with it. Bischoff would have given Bret the belt whenever Hogan wasn't around or give him a win over some WCW stars here and there but nothing more. Bret was doomed to become the highest payed wrestler without a plan or new gimmick
Since day 1 you the wrestler had to bring your reccomendation for angles to management. If Bret had one single good idea WcW would have jumped at it. He was still wrestlin like it was 1991. He did not evolve and died because of it.
When they signed Brett, that should end the nwo , they should have focus more on the wrestling by letting him go over Hogan,flair and then letting him have the big show down with Goldberg.
@@robertlawrence4719 It was, though one thing I would have done with the Wolfpac was drop the nWo name so it could be its own stable and people would stop quibbling over it being more nWo overexposure and it not making sense for Sting to join. After a while, they were pretty clearly more face than heel so there was no point in them waving the nWo banner.
I thought from day 1 Brett should have worked a heal to feud with Sting in the battle of the Sharpshooter vs the Scorpion Death Lock in which Brett would insist he licks his hold on better, and then Brett could have picked on Sting’s appearance with many references to Halloween but that both wrestlers might have worked very well together and could have complimented each other very well in the ring. I never understood how WCW could missed it, but then again they screwed up the entire NWO thing after it reached an epic they should have continued with but they showed that they did not know what to do and they screwed it up. Also, why did Bill Goldberg’s streak have to break? And why was every show so badly organized? How in the world can a wrestling organization with so much talent fail so miserably? How did those morons not schedule angles and matches and skirmishes better?
Bret hart should have been an anti hero. Someone that got fucked over, and is going on a revenge tour just screwing matches up. Or they should have taken brets name seriously and made him go thru the most prominent nwo members for contracts. You win. U sign a contract with wcw and leave the nwo
There was no better story teller. Ever.
When Bret recognized the potential in Austin, when he was still in Wcw as Stunning Steve, and told McMahon to bring him in, and the story Bret went on to tell with Austin, coupled with Austin’s innate talent, made 3:16’s career.
When he saw the massive potential in Rock, he gave the Rock a chance, and protected him from all the backstage bullying, to the point that even till now while doing media for a movie, the Rock spots the interviewer wearing a Bret Hart shirt, and immediately stops and speaks about his love and respect for Bret.
When he gave the Kid a chance by giving him a match that people started seeing the potential in Waltman! He still talks about it today.
When he told Vince that he’d drop the IC title to Bulldog at Wembley, knowing that it would be a match that cemented his path to the main title. I remember he asked Vince if he wants to know the finish since Bret and Bulldog were closing the show, and Vince said, “surprise me”, and they gave them the best show of the night despite the fact that Bulldog had been on a crack binge, and told Bret he can’t remember anything of the match prior to their match.
Bret told him to calm down and that he’d call the spots in the ring, and what a dam match he tailored! They put on a clinic.
Bret could make careers, he was such an amazing storyteller.
I loved that he wasn’t over the top, that he knew how to take his time, work the crowd bit by bit. Loved that he gave a shit about other talent. Michaels was magic in the ring, but it always about him. He couldn’t coach shit back then, or recognise potential. Bret made wrestlers by working with them and allowing their talent to shine through while holding his own.
Dam the 90s was a great time in Wrestling.
Imagine being this gigantic of a pathetic mark 🎯 🤤 WOW. Kudos, Junior. You are truly a paint chip-muncher, to your core
Bret needs to author a book I'd definitely buy it
Bret needs to author a book I'd definitely buy it
Bret needs to author a book I'd definitely buy it
@@carrorallison7656 Check out "my real life in the cartoon world of wrestling" ... definately, the best no-nonsense wrestling book out there cause it isn't produced by the wwe publishing house and as such, it's uncensored.
The fact they didn’t know what to do with Bret Hart is insane.
I believed the owner the name. That’s tuff!
No different from Vince and the WWF
@@BizzyIzzy87 Yeah, I think if Vince and WCW don't know what to do with you, it's YOUR problem. Bret was mediocre, that's why they didn't know what to do with him. Plus after the canada vs us angle, nobody in America gave a shit about bret.
WCW had too many guys in the main event scene to sign an immediate main-eventer like Bret Hart.
@@sj4632 Exactly he is a boring wrestler. That got over during a low period in wrestling when most people didn't care.
The Best There Is, The Best There Was, The Best There Ever Will Be. The more time that goes by the more accurate that statement becomes.
And Bret Hart is great too!
Thats your thought.. He was shit for me. Not good on the mic and he isnt high flyer. Most overhyped overrated wrestler ever
@@captainenaad9579 who’s the best in your opinion?
Then why was the business in the shits with him?
He was my all-time favourite... his technical but realistic style, his subdued character and scaled-back promos were exactly what worked for me as a young fan. But I understand what others didn't like about him, and why their tastes may have been more towards a Hogan, Shawn, Flair, Foley, Austin or Rock. It's all just taste.
Bret Hart is a worker. Just give him a belt and 20 minutes of TV time to defend it and he gets over. Simple as that.
There were too many quality wrestlers in WCW that could have been put in the ring against Bret and they would have had phenomenal matches.
@Damien Jones never knew you know more than Stone Cold, Taker, Vinc McMahon and JR.
How are you not running your own federation since you know so much more than all them and more?
Jim ross jim cornett Vince wrestling critics called bret q draw. Chris beniot eddie guerreo nash only won world title once there reason for that. They could not draw but bret won it 5 times .he can draw
@Damien Jones you dont think bret was over??? U must have been born in 2000...bet you like aint elite wrestling...gtfoh...go watch young fucks and leave real wrestling opinions to those who saw it or those who see it and actually understand what they see...fuckin Mark
He did wear his belts better than anyone else he was very proud to have a belt
Phenomenal matches dont draw crap back lmao
WCW didn't care about having Bret Hart, they just wanted WWF to not have him.
True.Eric Bischoff mind only to put WWF out of business
JR should transition into a role as the James Lipton of wrestling, from Inside the Actors Studio. He has the same soothing tone and he is very respectful.
That would be dope!!
I'd watch that.
The "your favorite curse word" segment would be amazing! Lol
I love these old stories. Gonna be sad when itheyre all gone. ☹️
Don't rush it he could live 30 more years.
That’s y let’s give them thyre flowers while they’re still here
Bret will be ok. He didn't abuse drugs or steroids. Wrestling was his life. He trained and behaved like a world champion.
I say the same thing all the time. These guys bought most of us the best parts of our childhood so we should always give them their do's
No point in regretting that. I think it was Nash who said "we didn't go down there because we were going to do great work. It was the paycheck". As long as the checks cleared. He got what he wanted.
Far as being used correctly goes. I thought he was doing his best work when he left the WWF. To me that storyline being aborted was a bigger loss than the numerous "what ifs" that surrounds the wcw run.
I would have liked to have seen Bret go full on heel. Take the anti American gimmick so far even Owen considers it too much. Restarting their feud with Owen as the babyface.
Owen is the first wrestler that passed away that legit broke my heart! It was like I knew him or something. Bret is my all time favorite but Owen was right there with him. I use to joke that Bret was responsible for Stone Cold's legs and Owen his neck. Those Hart boys put work on that dude! 😁
I love JR’s story of any talent wanting to talk to Vince & he gave them this advice “ converse don’t confront, only confront if your ready to leave because he can live without you” man that’s oldschool honesty, people today need this
Well if we listen to 83 weeks we know that the landscape of WCW post '97 was suppose to be a little difference than what we got. The original plan was for Thunder to be the WCW show and Bret would headline that. Since that plan changed, it basically put Bret in purgatory and yes, at that point there wasn't much direction.
Bischoff was trying to make himself not look as dumb as he was when Bret showed up. Eric was like a dog that caught his own tail he didn’t know what to do with it and just looked stupid until an even stupider guy kicked Bret in the head. Complete waste to make a lot of money for everyone involved.
It’s always interesting whenever they bring up the “WCW would never know what to do with Bret,” and then you look at how the WWF booked him as champion, both World and IC, and you look at what the plans were for Bret in 1998 WWF, where he’d be losing to Shawn and Austin, and McMahon had no definitive plans beyond that, so honestly staying wouldn’t have been much better.
Bret should have gone to NJPW but WCW wasted his talent and so many others. Exactly bret hart was a pro wrestler not a showman. His matches were classic.
That would have been interesting!
Wouldn't have made as much money there as he did in WCW
He was overrated.... Fact... If he was that damn good, why he never made it when he was at the top?
@@robertrodriguez787 true but he would have never been kicked in the head by goldberg. He would have been paid good but not as much as WCW.
WCW was the biggest wrestling company in the world when Bret went over there why would he go to NJPW? It’s easy to play Monday quarterback
Two honorable, great men on this clip. One on each side of the mic in Bret and JR
There was so many matches and so many stories that were lost because of Hogan, Hall, Nash and Bischoff holding everyone back and keeping themselves on top. Bret Hart just blames Bischoff when he should look at those guys too. I have zero respect for Hogan and Nash.
I cant believe i jus heard jim ross do a Stu hart impression lol
Brett has defined his legacy not as the best in ring technician but as the whiniest crybaby that ever laced up boots. It's not that management didn't know how to utilize him, it's that his ego and presumed creative control stood in the way of bringing his talents to both the audience and his fellow wrestlers.
I get really sad when I think of how many great storylines and matches Owen had ahead of him. Death can be incredibly unfair.
It pisses me off today when I realize the Blue Blazer gimick was being done as a way to bury him. I thought it was a hilarious angle at the time and wanted Owen to get a big push. They were doing it to destroy him and belittle him (and it had to do with the influence of the kliq). This makes the tragedy of what happened so much worse because they were treating him like crap and neglected his safety too
@@kwrbt2979 For real? I been thinkin' it had somethin' to do with The Screwjob and Owen wanting to go to WCW but was locked in his WWF contract.
@@kwrbt2979 I remember watching a video where Ted DiBiase was interviewed. And he said that Owen came from the perspective that pro wrestling was and should simply be about good vs. evil. I think that everybody knows that Owen vetoed a proposed angle where he was going to have an affair with Debra McMichael. He was worried what his children would think if they saw him involved with a woman other than his wife like that. The whole Blue Blazer gimmick was clearly meant to ridicule the image of the "good gooder" babyface from a bygone era, which was come the Attitude Era, out of step compared to anti-heroes like Stone Cold Steve Austin.
JR and Owen locking up in silence as their way of greeting each other is hilarious and beautiful
My respect for Bret grows as each yr that passes. Shawn will always be my personal favorite but Bret was amazing.
P.s Sammy Zane is a dork (back in the day wrestlers were cool dudes. Sammy is the opposite of "cool")
I just cannot get past Shawn's behavior. He was a great talent but he tarnished that by being a primadonna and losing his smile, treating others like trash and almost always putting his interests above all others. Bret was confident and elevated his opponents because he understood the big picture. The fact Shawn helped screw Bret while at the same time not dropping the belt properly on a few occasions and throwing a hissy fit makes it very hard to respect Shawn
@@BeeBumper ...I still think screwjob was a "work" but idk? (Just to many red flags to ignore.) And I understand Shawn was a huge dirtbag, but I've heard Shawn say "everyone treated him like sh*t coming up so when he got to top he stuck it to everyone!" (At least Shawn could work...hogan was a dirtball *and* terrible worker)
P.s Shawn best I've ever seen. When I was a kid wwe came to my town and filmed a Raw in my crappy local gym. Shawn and Razor had dark ladder match (must have been practicing for summerslam or something)...it was so awesome lol
JR's Stu Hart impression was spot on!
Could you imagine the heat WCW would've had had they booked Bret to either win or attack the WCW champ the night of his debut and call out Shawn, etc. Eyes were on them because of Montreal and they failed to capitalize. Maybe he could have borrowed Flair's old line calling himself the real world champion when he entered the WWF. Obviously didn't have the belt but to use the title.
It was a shock to see Ric Flair in the WWF with the big gold belt cutting a promo calling it the real heavyweight world championship belt i was confused and entertained
I still think the way Martha and her children honored Owen is a quality way to honour him. I can understand their stance here whether it is what I want as a fan or not
Bret is in my top 3. The first character I always try to unlock
just think for tag team Mr Perfect and Owen Hart that would been bad ass
God, could you imagine?
Man I love this segment!!! Bret is my childhood hero and the best of the best!! The best part was Owen, and Kurt! I love the Perfect vs Hitman matches! Owen was amazing, just like Tom (Dynamite Kid) Billington, Dean Malenko, Chris Benoit. Man the technical wrestlers will always be the best in my opinion. Not only as a wrestler, but a fan as well
Damn you Goldberg, damn you 🔥
It was a accident relax. Are u saying damn u Owen for fucking Austin up? Because he had to retire early from that neck injury
Goldberg hurt so many wrestlers. I saw Bret on his speaking tour last year and he went over all the guys Goldberg hurt.. like Curt Hennig Mr. Perfect coming back to the locker room in tears from Goldberg hurting him. Goldberg was a sh1tty wrestler and over hyped.. but can't deny his success but it wasnt worth it
Greenburg needed more training.
Plus he wouldn't work with Jericho because he would get schooled in the ring and on the mic hard
@@thesupervisor3270 Accidents happen once. Oldberg was hurting everybody.
I would've love to have seen Owen and JR. lockup. That is funny as hell.
I still enjoyed his matches in WCW he was more aggressive , I think that style for him started towards the end of his WWE career.
I needed more heel Bret, was my favorite. I only got to see Bret in WCW (only watched WCW and first memories are from 98-99 so the steel plate segment was huge for me)
It’s crazy. WCW could of literally claimed to have the 2 best wrestlers under their banner. Their current champion... and the WWF champion that was cheated. They could of put Bret on a winning streak, constantly telling the viewer that he was still the champion as he wasn’t beaten in WWF. Whilst finishing off all storylines with their own title (Hogan v Sting). They didn’t have to then pit Bret vs Sting against each other. They could still of worked towards Goldberg. But keep Bret winning. Eventually leading to Champion vs Champion. They literally could of claimed to have the undisputed Heavyweight champion. Bret had to be a baby face arriving at WCW. He’d just been screwed. I do accept Bret was in a dark place due to the screw job and should of been more “up for it” in WCW. But surely it was Bischoff’s job to help Bret get out of that slump. Bret could of lead the next generation of WCW wrestlers. Jericho. Benoit. Eddie. Boy did WCW drop the ball.
Completely agree with this take. One of the biggest mistakes WCW did in my opinion a reason that led to their demise. Brett as a heel and teaming with hogan was baffling
I'm gonna be totally honest and I mean this. Bret was always my favorite. I'm not gonna lie I did like Hogan and Savage and Piper too but Bret was just in another league even when those said guys were around. It really pisses me off to this day how Vince and WCW did him. In Vince's case he just used Bret as the champ when it was convenient. After Hogan left Bret should have been The Man hands down no question. That horsehit at Wrestlmania 9 still burns my ass! In WCW's case they were just mismanaged and had no fucking clue what to do with anybody that wasnt Hogan and NWO. Just really shitty all around!
Same, even as a young kid I felt like his style was a cut above. More substance than flash.
@@ioannisfugazi6952 Exactly and the saddest part about it is he still doesn't really get the respect he deserves!
One of the biggest problems in wrestling today is that every wrestler wants to be Hbk , but no one wants to be Bret Hart .
That explains all the superkicks.
I wish Brett could stayed wwe I remember WWF watching him I was upset when he left and was like come on. And I really never got see him again after that screw job
Ultimately Bret Hart heart and loyalty was still intact with the WWF/WWE if that make sense it's the only thing you can rationalize that situation with WCW...
I don't know if it was loyalty or comfortably because Eric and Bruce on one of the shows were comparing notes just tbe two talking about how the situation with Bret evolved throughout 97 and ultimately realized Bret didn't want to go but Bret wanted to be the highest paid guy in 97 and only WCW could give that two him which meant all the people Bret didn't want to work with he was gonna have to go work with. Sucks we didn't get a Bret Heart 97 type character in WCW but that's what it is.
Funny how they boosted Hall and Nash’s prominence 100% but shit the bed on Bret.
I side with Owen's family, WWE did a lot of bullshit trying to protect their mistake in killing Owen. I wish Bret would take a step back and realize that and just have no comment over it opposed to disagreeing with his sister-in-law.
@Ultra Instinct 94 It’s sad that a family that loved, prestigious and important to the business is divided.
1. Because of Hogan
2. Because Bret never changed from his WWE persona and refused to wear NWO colors when he was in the NWO.
Bret Hart was the best.
That’s true about wcw not knowing how to use him, but wwf didn’t know what to do with him neither. He was just a great wrestler in the wrong era, he didn’t t fit in with the attitude era
The way he worked you over the whole time was art
WCW killed Bret hart. Had he stayed he would've been wrestling till 2007
The quality matches we could've got with Bret vs Booker, Jericho, Eddie in WCW... It pissed me off how much WCW fucked it all up.
After watching interviews from Martha, Oje and Christie in the Dark Side of the Ring about Owen's final days, I don't blame them for wanting nothing to do with WWF/WWE.
Yes, I agree with Bret on alot of things, but not letting WWE profit off a guy they literally had die on a ppv due to criminal negligence isn't something to be forgiven. If Bret was still with the WWF at that time he'd be more understanding.
@Jonathan Devereaux I was surprised she's collaborating with AEW for Owen Hart merchandise and a tournament named after him. I keep thinking that's to try and bring WWE out of business.
@@job489 That’s not why she did it. WWF were responsible for the angle and rigging that killed her husband. THEN they proceeded to sue Martha! She simply doesn’t want the now WWE using or profiting from Owen due to how they “handled” the scenario.
You would have the shuffle things up, but you could have Hart go up against Hogan and form a Canadian stable that goes against NWO. Then once that played itself out you can break the Canadian Stable up and have Hart go against the former members. Instead they had Hart wrestle for the WCW United Aging Stars Title.
No Canadian stables and WCW do not do that do not copy WWF. We should have had the final battle between WCW versus the NWO in the fall of 1998. But no we wanted to still do the New World order angle and we didn't know what to do with Bret Hart.. God is still pisses me off to this day.
@@attiepollard7847 WCW played up that Lance Strom was Canadian and even had him rename the US Title to the Canadian Championship. They could have and should have had Bret use his Canadian nationality too.
I saw Bret vs Perfect in Hershey.They went at least 30 minutes and it was phenomenal.
WORKS OF ART MY FRIEND COUNTER AFTER COUNTER NEAR FALL TO NEAR FALL NO OUTSIDE THE RING INTERFIERENCE
Owen versus Bret matches for two men going against one another with a variation of the exact same kind of mastery, you will never see anything like it again.
He could of had a 3-5 star match everytime if they put him with decent people. He did have some good WCW matches they was just so short. Him and Benoit wrestled once on thunder for 10 minutes
they had one on Nitro in tribute to Owen that was an incredible match
They also wrestled on Nitro in '98 but all the commentators were talking about was Hogan and Warrior!
@@surferguy1974 for that shitty ass match they had… smh
@@MR.__G just because Hogan wanted to avenge his lost to Warrior. Bret Hart vs Sting was a much better match that night!
@@surferguy1974 such a dumb reason. Wins & loses aren’t real. It’s all predetermined outcomes. Having a great match & putting on a show for the crowd is the real win.. Hogan was more about getting his money than actually giving the fans their moneys worth.
It all came down to Vince wanting Shawn, his boy toy, over Bret 🤷♂️
I say part of that but also the other part was Bret Hart's damn contract that was too much money for that man. That's why I said that was a good thing that he left so we can usher in the attitude era at full steam so guys like Stone Cold Steve Austin and The Rock can get opportunities.
@@attiepollard7847 meh. Bret could have dropped the belt to Austin or Undertaker. Vince is delusional
Considering how many more years he got out of Shawn he made the right decision from a business perspective
@@UFCWWE69 😂 are you dumb. If he never screwed Bret . then Bret never gets that concussion. He prob talks Owen out of coming down from the ceiling. And he doesn't have a seizure from all that stress. Bret was easily still in his prime when he got screwed
@@bobbycauffman1325 bunch of stupid what if’s. If your Aunt had balls she’d be your Uncle, but she doesn’t, so she’s not. 🤡
Love Brett's respect for Curt Hennig. Him and Curt are my 2 all-time favs
I fell in love with wrestling after watching Bret vs Perfect SummerSlam '91...POETRY IN MOTION! ❤️💯
Brett literally made no impact by going to WCW. The only impact he had was the Montreal screwjob
Everyone knew WCW was very poorly managed which is why all their best wrestlers went to wwf
Hogan? Piper? Savage? Hall? Nash? Bret? .....No-one was leaving WCW for WWF in 97.
@@airfixx_8952 99 Jericho, Benoit, Saturn, Guaerro and the giant all went to wwf
@@Magpie_Mark92 Thats 2-3 years later..... Irrelevant to the time frame in question. At the time Bret left no-one was jumping ship from WCW; they were winning the war at the time and WWF was financially running on fumes.
@@airfixx_8952 i find that hard to believe 97 was WWFs year but 98 i agree WCW was better
@@Magpie_Mark92 Ratings-wise and financially, in 97 WWF was still struggling...... Regardless, like i said to begin with; by the time Bret left in late 97 no big stars had left WCW for WWF....None.
8:23 “...never saw him have a bad match?” Ask Austin about that.
That's the one exception
I take your point but Have you actually watched that whole match? That was one of the greatest matches I’ve ever seen until the botch at the very end
@@Fukthepcpo-lease I haven’t watched the match-I only saw the ending-but almost paralyzing WWF’s hottest rising star and its soon-to-be biggest draw, forever altering his (Austin’s) wrestling style, counts as a bad match to
me.
Bret thinks too much of himself but he was a bad fit for what WCW was doing with the constant run-ins, its dozens of stables, and a reliance on the stale nWo faction.
Bret is instead the kind of guy who builds a story. He'll set it up in the promo. Let's say he''s fighting Billy Kidman. He would have begun it by talking up Kidman's speed. Then they'll do maybe a face to face where Bret seemingly can't keep up with the younger star. Then when they get in the ring they begin with Kidman running circles around him before Bret is finally able to counter that speed and close out the match. Best part is that Kidman looks like he could have had Hart on a better day. (And I just realize that I unintentionally almost described his match with 123 Kid.) But instead we get interference finishes with the Flock or some other weak, last-minute booking.
Everyone involved in WCW says they weren't used right.
Bret got 3 mil a year and he still wouldn't shut the hell up about how he was screwed by Bishoff and McMahon.
Yeah but the problem was that Bret had all of the problems that he brought with him having had worked with Vince McMahon and having been screwed by Vince McMahon and having lost a brother live will television and having the company not really do the right thing about it either
He came WCW and they didn't have anything for him to at that time and because of that he didn't really put any effort into it every one that has said and there on record he would show up to the arenas that they were doing a pay per view or doing nightro he would show up 45 minutes before show time and literally come in and say what do you want me to do and then he would do the match that he would leave he really didn't put any effort into it because he had issues and he didn't really believe in the company at ultimately when he got the concussions from wrestling Goldberg that was his way out because he really wasn't getting paid as much as when he was in WWE but it was enough to put of the bank and save some for retirement because he wasn't going to be wrestling for too many more years and ultimately when he left the company he walked away from wrestling in general
Yeah. WCW didn't know what to do with Brett but Brett also didn't know what to do with himself. Everyone in WCW at the time said he didn't even try. Showed up late to shows, left early, didn't have any ideas on what to do with his character.
He was forced to go there for millions
Hart vs Austin wm 14 with Tyson would have been the better match
Yeah but Vince loved Shawn
Honestly....if they couldve afforded to pay him....I honestly think he would've fit better in ECW than he did in WCW. Would've been nice seeing him feud with Shane Douglas,or Taz or sabu,or RVD....bam bam was there....Jerry Lynn.....I think he really would've had some great matches there. Could've even took ECW to new heights....they'd still be in business today
i allways had the dream that wcw and wwf do a big event together. champions of both companies vs each other etc.stuff like that.to bad tehy never did that
My main complaint about all the belts WCW/NWA had. Like both companies claimed World Champion but technically they were just the Champion of said company. Every year the should have had the main Champion from each company fight, both tag teams, T.V. Champ vs Intercontinental vs U.S. three way in a cage with the 3 top contenders( make another belt to distinguish between the 2 and the 2 runner ups get the other 2 belts)
I always hate Bret's defense of "I was forced to go there." No one pointed a gun to his head and said that he had to go to WCW. I know that Vince couldn't honor the deal they had but you mean to tell me that Vince wouldn't try to negotiate SOMETHING to keep him on if Bret wanted to stay so bad? It's why I can't stand Hall and Nash saying the same thing. There's nothing wrong with admitting that you wanted the money. Just say you wanted the money, instead of making it sound like you went to WCW kicking and screaming.
why is jrs voice sped up
Love when they imitate Stu!
Jesus Christ Conrad, how many goddamn ads are you gunna do?
They didn't bring Bret into WCW with any plans, they brought him in simply to get him away from the WWF at the time.
Hogan top heel, Sting top face. It was a bit tricky to insert another starting QB in the mix. That said, great opportunity for 3 way cage matches, Hulk or Sting could have taken a hiatus... there were a lot of creative opportunities if people tried.
Noel. I think you had to ease Hogan out of the storyline if you want guys like Bret Hart sting, diamond, Dallas Page, and Booker t etc to be the top guys. Unfortunately Eric bischoff did not want to do that.
@@attiepollard7847 Bischoff should not have entertained that. Not in '98.
@@kazman_6899 no. I think he should have renegotiated Hogan's contract In 98. Give him the same the amount of money but take away his creative contract and he can still take the similar amount of time off but he has to show up on pay-per-view when Eric bischoff demands it.
@@attiepollard7847 Or... you could work around Hogan. I know it sounds absolutely radical. Hogan, Goldberg and Nash could be booked around. They certainly should seldom have jobbed.
@@kazman_6899 nope. Hogan will not be in this picture much when 99 comes around. WCW will get younger after Hogan.
The comments saying that Bret Hart was to boring to get over in WCW, is just BS. Bret Hart was hot and if you have a guy who was just screwed over by the company he loved, you have a big story line with anyone. Sting, Fair, Nash, any one would of done big ratings and have great matches. Hogan was main culprit in holding back Bret Hart because Hogan only saw Bret Hart as a Intercontinental title or USA title guy. Hogan didn't see Bret Hart as main eventer and Eric Bischoff was so influence by Hogan, that instead of creating something for Bret to do, he put him in the nwo and then put Bret in the dog house. Eric Bischoff said that Bret Hart was done when his Brother Owen died but I think Bret would of wanted to put Vince and the WWE out of business because of this. Eric Bischoff paid big money for Bret to sit around and do nothing, but Bret is worker , loves to wrestle and you don't use him to build story lines. Eric Bischoff can say that Bret Hart was half himself in WCW, but it was the lack of company direction that killed WCW and Bret Hart. Hogan and Eric were the dumbest people in wrestling. Bret did wrestle some good matches but they were put together so poorly, and the only match that was great was Owen Hart tribute match versus Chris Benoit.
If I have to hear the 'Eraser' story one more time, I'm gonna bash my head in.
Brett has integrity.
Amazing how WCW wasted the tenures of some of the best technical wrestlers to ever grace the business. Bret, stone cold, all the cruiserweights. I have my qualms with WWE, but at least they gave us those matches back in the day
The only thing they did right was give a lot of matches to Dean Malenko. Besides Jericho and Benoit and Eddie, there wasn't much going on in the ring at WCW a lot of the time. You'd get the Steiner's in big suplex matches which was sweet but the top "talent" of the company absolutely sucked for years. Hogan's contract was fucking stupid too. The champ who doesn't work. Reminds me of Shawn Michaels but even worse because at least Shawn could work when he wanted to
@@timyumichuck9262 WCW had a lot more than just those four guys(the midcard and cruiserweight division was pretty stacked) and I think it's a little unfair to write off the main event stars like that. I feel like people group all the main event stars in with Hogan as no-talent politicians and that's not fair to guys like Sting, DDP, Savage, and so on.
WWF wasn’t perfect in this regard either.
WWF didn’t know what to do with The Giant.
Vince McMahon was right about one thing WCW and Eric bischoff wouldn't know what to do with Bret Hart
Imagine JR and Owen hart seeing each other and BOOM 💥…. It’s on sight 🤼♂️
😂😂lmao
WCW should have kept Bret Hart babyface and had him work with Hogan.
Conrad the mortgage guy..
He wears a magic hat...
And when he sees, a lost alumni..
He says hes aving that.
(Read that like a british footie chant and it works)
Bret hart was never the problem even in the Wwe or Wwf during his title runs .. it was the booking and wwe terrible gimmicks before the attitude era ! He made so many people look better than they were
It's simple.Bret was Vince creation and Vince knew how to hide your flaws.WCW didn't.....
Unfortunately, the culture at WCW was not a place where an accomplished pro wrestler like Bret Hart could succeed. During the Monday Night Wars, WCW only had higher ratings that WWE for a short period of time. WWE adapted to peaks and valleys much better than WCW ever could because it was run by "more competent executives" than WCW had. Jerry Brisco and Pat Patterson complemented Vince McMahon perfectly, and all three of them worked like a fine tuned machine. In addition, Vince McMahon was more involved in his wrestling promotion than Ted Turner was in WCW. Not surprisingly, in 1999, following Kevin Nash's "Finger Poke of Doom", WCW's ratings began to decline, and by March of 2001, WCW was sold to Vince McMahon.
It makes sense, WWF was all Vince had(as you know, his other ventures back then failed), WCW was just one of the many companies Ted Turner owned so Vince really was fighting for his life in a way that Turner didn't have to.
Stu Hart used an eraser on his cats !
bret left wwe for wcw for money. end of story. its his own fault for not seeing how packed wcw was and how they treated their roster and figuring out how he could fit in there before joining them. he chose not to, all he saw was dollar signs, he says himself he didnt want to leave wwe and knew from the start wcw werent going to use him as he wanted to be used.
i actually just started a new game of EWR (wrestling sim) and started a 1998 mod and honestly i have no plans for bret either.
WWE was the one that let Bret go. WCW was on the rise and WWE was losing money. Cutbacks needed to be made and Bret had a pretty high salary. So Vince told him he should go to WCW and released him from his contract.
@@jeremyzak654 wcw was not "on the rise" lmao they had already hit its peak and the mcmahon/austin fued was growing. wcw created thunder, split the nwo and by april, wrestlemania time, wcw had lost it 83 weeks of dominance.
if you have a contract, you cant just say "oops, i paid you too much, i have to let you go." thats not how a contract works. bret had a 20 year contract, he could have sued vince into the ground and won if he tried that.
he was given permission to speak to wcw and they offered more money and bret and vince agreed to null the contract and wwe let him go.
you literally countered nothing i said.
Her ratings for wwe when bret was chmap in 1994 notice how wwe still most part beat wcw in ratings oswreview.com/history/tv-ratings-1994/
Good He's Fuckin' Right About The Expendability Of A Wrestler's Contract And All Of That Stuff Compared To Back Then!!!!😮🙁
WCW misused a lot of great guys.
I loved the cruiserweight matches that kicked off Nitro. But those guys never, ever got to mingle with the big guys. The sole exception that I can think of is Kidman doing a program with Hogan.
Jericho, Guerrero, Mysterio... all went on to become legends in the WWE.
There were matches between big guys and cruiserweights but they never were against Hogan until Hogan feuded with Kidman. Like Chris Jericho having matches with Scott Hall.
Bret Hart is the goat. Hulk Hogan, Kevin Nash, Eric Bischoff and WCW were the shits.
Wcw's biggest problem was Hogan having creative control. If not, a lot of great matches and title reigns would have happened and WWE might not be around today. But nore would wcw regardless. So Hogan is to thank for WWE winning the Monday night wars and still being around today.
Owen never had a bad match? I think Steve Austin may disagree.
Dan Severn, too.
@@kazman_6899 Very true. And same damn botch, as well.
lol Bret got a TON of air time and PLENTY of opportunities working on tv. He didn’t move the needle. Sure he won the hearts of a bunch of die hard wrestling fans but they were already watching. He brought no one new to the product.
Bret Hart is my all time favorite wrestler.
DID YOU SEE HOW WCW INTRODUCED BRET!?!?! With a shitty rendition of “Oh Canada.”
As soon as they did that, I KNEW WCW would drop the ball with Bret!
Yeah but it's the segments and angles he was out into that killed it. The botched finish to that main event between Sting and Hogan. He never got his angle with Hogan he turned heel to babyface every other night. Some of it probably was Bret's fault their were nights he didn't seem to have it but maybe cause he knew the booking was shit to begin with.
They weren't allowed to do anything big with him. Hogan's creative control and ego prevented that. Hart was a nWo Hollywood lackey. 1 credit I gave to Russo, once he got there, he placed Hart in the main event.
WWE had talent who knew what to do with guys, how to build characters but they needed to have something to work with in order to pull it off.
WCW had a lot of morons working for them who didn't know how to work guys with a lot of talent. Bret Hart had very little talent to work with so WCW had absolutely no clue what to do whereas WWE did know.
THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE
WCW should of had more shows in Canada 🇨🇦 once Bret came over
They did but because Canada was WWE country they didn’t draw much. I do remember WCW tried with that Team Canada story line in 2000-01 and that failed but Bret was gone.
what vince said was true they didn't know what to do with him
Imagine if Bret went to ECW instead of WCW.
THE HITMAN TAKES IT TO THE EXTREME!
Bret would've been a top star back in late 80's early 90's wcw.
Bischoff never intended to make Bret become the big star Hogan was or go over him or the nWo because he was still a Vince McMahon guy and Bischoff's whole goal was to put Vince out of business. So all he needed to do in his mind was buying the biggest WWF stars one by one and steal their audience too. But Bret was never supposed to become the big new hero for WCW no matter what great storyline you could have done with Bret cause neither Hogan nor Bischoff would have gone with it. Bischoff would have given Bret the belt whenever Hogan wasn't around or give him a win over some WCW stars here and there but nothing more. Bret was doomed to become the highest payed wrestler without a plan or new gimmick
God that was a waste of money that he did. It just shows the BS office management from Ted Turner Time Warner management.
I believe Bischoff on this one. If bret so bitter about the screwjob now even after making "peace" with it, i cant even imagine being around him in 98
I don't believe Eric on anything. The man oozes dishonesty. Even when he might be telling the truth
Brett Hart was a technical wrestler. His promos were emotionless and monotone. Some of this is on Brett!
Who cares about the promos Brett's grim a generation when there where more matches than talking
The Eraser, the Bald Spot from The Hulkster
Since day 1 you the wrestler had to bring your reccomendation for angles to management. If Bret had one single good idea WcW would have jumped at it. He was still wrestlin like it was 1991. He did not evolve and died because of it.
Bullshit
When they signed Brett, that should end the nwo , they should have focus more on the wrestling by letting him go over Hogan,flair and then letting him have the big show down with Goldberg.
Made no sense as the wolfpac was way, way over.
@@robertlawrence4719 It was, though one thing I would have done with the Wolfpac was drop the nWo name so it could be its own stable and people would stop quibbling over it being more nWo overexposure and it not making sense for Sting to join. After a while, they were pretty clearly more face than heel so there was no point in them waving the nWo banner.
Jim Ross sure talks a lot for the guy who is supposed to be the host.
I thought from day 1 Brett should have worked a heal to feud with Sting in the battle of the Sharpshooter vs the Scorpion Death Lock in which Brett would insist he licks his hold on better, and then Brett could have picked on Sting’s appearance with many references to Halloween but that both wrestlers might have worked very well together and could have complimented each other very well in the ring. I never understood how WCW could missed it, but then again they screwed up the entire NWO thing after it reached an epic they should have continued with but they showed that they did not know what to do and they screwed it up. Also, why did Bill Goldberg’s streak have to break? And why was every show so badly organized? How in the world can a wrestling organization with so much talent fail so miserably? How did those morons not schedule angles and matches and skirmishes better?
Bret hart should have been an anti hero. Someone that got fucked over, and is going on a revenge tour just screwing matches up.
Or they should have taken brets name seriously and made him go thru the most prominent nwo members for contracts. You win. U sign a contract with wcw and leave the nwo