We don't need 13 speeds
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2024
- In this video I sort of respond to and generally ramble about my thoughts on bicycling innovation.
Here is the video that got me thinking about this topic:
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I'm OK with my 2x9
As always another great video Bruce , thanks for your thoughts .
thank you Ferguson!
Although srammano dont really brag about reliability being improved with newer more expensive products, they definitely are much closer to motorcycle levels of turn key and go. The strongest chain shimano makes isnt the beefy 6/7/8 speed 3/32 chain. Its the thin dura ace 11 speed chain. Highest tensile strength, hardest wearing, and fastest. Hydraulic brakes are adjustment free, but if you dont keep an eye on your pad life, they have the ability to wear through the pad and into the backing plate. So they might feel like they last forever
but new riders might find some damage when they go to do maintenance. But aside from tire pressure and chain lube, thanks to sealed cartridge bearings and decent drivetrains that tend to just stay in adjustment for way longer, a newish bike is way more turn key and less maintenance than my old bikes with cup and cone bearings everywhere.
Interesting point about the chains. If the metal is actually of a higher grade, that would make sense why they're so much more expensive.
@@BruceChastain9 speed chain on 8 speed. Drive trains is a well known tip for better service life and shifting
I’ve found a combination that works for me; belt drive, hydraulic disc brakes and internally geared hub. As close to maintenance free as I’ve ever found.
yep I agree that's about as good as you can get, if more people knew about that and or did buy that setup.
@@BruceChastain I believe more people would go this route if the price point wasn’t so high. Would be nice to see manufacturers produce a more reasonably affordable setup to get folks interested.
We need to start adding chainrings. Catch me with a 4x12 drive train. So many speeds you need electronic shifting to do the right order.
lol yeah a 4x12
@@BruceChastainshimano and sram both have electronic shifting for 2x setups so you can use every non redundant combo. That is where electronic shifting is good, when it actually simplifies the bike.
Good points. I am looking from a different level (rank amateur), and perhaps feel your points even more acutely. I rode a bike on dirt roads and around town when I was a kid. Then I moved to California, lived surrounded by hills and mountains in Silicon Valley, and I found hiking more fun. Now, decades later, I live in Florida (God's waiting room), and I would like to get a bike to ride dirt roads and trails in parks or maybe to a gym in my community. Not interested in road biking. I go to local bike stores and tell them I am looking for a solid bike for a 6-3 adult, step-through frame, single speed, coaster brake, with front hand brake for emergencies. They look at me like I came from a different universe and show me all the fancy modern bikes. Why in the world do I need all those speeds when it's flat as a pancake, and I am not going to do high-speed road biking? I want something simple, reliable, and comfortable, so I can enjoy the scenery while riding instead of learning the craft of bicycle repair and maintenance. You can get such bikes in Europe. Why are they taboo here? It's frustrating.
I'm living in Florida now too and agree, for the most part you only need single speed. I think there should be something that can fit your needs. Or perhaps something on the used market?
I jumped straight from 7 speed to infinite speed with an enviolo hub or NuVinci back in those days (2011). Since then I designed an automatic shifting system for these hubs. Started in 2016 and still improving things now after 20k miles. I always had the opinion that fancy electronics would be unreliable and I've be proven wrong. I built the mechanics and electronics well and the original servo is still going after 20k miles. Been such a joy to ride, such a great learning experience doing the coding and a great bike for commuting to work.
I agree with you about reliability, the industry seems very stuck in the past but not totally. Consumers and bike shops are mostly to blame for this as they very much stick with what they are familiar and comfortable with. CVT hubs and automatic shifting is a good example of this and can really make cycling simple for beginners. Too many people just don't give it a chance or are worried about the maintenance. That's really one of the problems as such a system can be reliable but often the setup is messed up by lack of knowledge leading to unnecessary problems. Something I know you also very much understand.
As long as you don't use poor quality components, which is very much a cause of high maintenance bikes, bike components in general are reasonably reliable. It's the setup that seems to create the issues. Thats really the engineering challenge, how to make components more swappable as modules with less or no setup. Brakes and gears are a fine example. Bought as separate bits in most cases and it's up to the skill of the person installing as to how well they will work.
I use Continental puncture proof tyres and only puncture every couple of years on average. Good components are out there but it shouldn't have to require experience and knowledge to seek them out. Should just be used as standard like with cars.
As for the topic of this video I agree it's getting silly adding yet more sprockets to the rear hub. Manufacturers are definitely cashing in on this. The real driver I feel for doing this is that people want the simplicity of 1x but still want a range of gears. In a way that's a good thing as many people struggle with working out how to handle the shifting of front and rear derailleurs.
I recently converted my old mountain bike, I got second hand in 1999, for trailer towing. Turned it into a 30 speed with massive 11 - 42t rear cassette and 22 - 32 - 42t chainrings. It's nice to have such a range of gears without shifting chainrings but the gap between 10 speed gear ratios only makes sense with a heavy trailer. Without the trailer I'm mostly double shifting.
Anyway good video as always, we share a similar attitude to bikes and cycling.
Hi Ed, yes I know I've watched some of your automatic shifting and power meter videos, very cool stuff! Really when I think about it, we have pretty reliable components out there in the market, but the problem is these components don't get into the hands of people who would really need the simplicity. Like a belt drive, internal gear hub with puncture proof tires, that's not a setup many people even know about much less actually get.
Interesting subject. I wonder what is the most reliable bicycle. Maybe those Buffalo bikes in Africa or the old Raleigh Tourist type bikes with 3 speed hubs and fully enclosed chains. I saw a chap with one of those who looked about 85 years old and the bike looked 50 years old but still in perfect order. Nowadays many bikes are throwaway products using carbon fibre materials and lightweight weak components plus ebikes have added extra complexity. I think a 3 speed hub and a fully enclosed chain is a great low maintenance option.
yeah after posting the video I got to thinking even more about reliability, I actually think other then tires, we do have pretty reliable bikes with internal geared hubs, belt drives and hydraulic disk breaking. I want to do some searching around to see if there are indeed tires that are nearly flat proof or at least something that can stay inflated for a year perhaps
I love my 7 speed lol 😂 but yea I ain’t as fast . But still fun and beautiful
most people only need 8 speed on the back and 2 or 3 in the front. old reliable
I even think for most people, in most places 8x1 is enough, at least for general commuting non-sport riding.
People who think 12s are useless cuz they don't realize that one extra is helpful for most people like climbing
the thing is it barley has anymore range, like you can get a Shimano 11-51, 11 speed. If you look at amazon you can even get 11-52 on 11 speed if you want to go for a cheaper brand.