Ye gods 50 years,half a century! i remember driving past Leyland dealers and seeing them in show rooms. I have a Leyland P76 V8....in my VW square back.
ive watched a bunch of your videos before! Shame about Kismets rot iirc by the fabricator doing you dirty. Your videos were semi influential to me for rover v8 enthusiasm and i was half looking for a P6 at the time since i liked the small economic v8 design philosophy and they were relatively cheap cars in australia for a time there. But a 4.4 is good too and drivetrain wise were very similar to the P6 with the suspension being the only major difference. Thanks for watching
The Deluxe is now a rare bird. You have a survivor there. Most were spect up to Super by their owners over the years. There is a Deluxe at Birdwood museum. I have some Deluxe interior stuff here James in a wreck, don’t know how good it is but we live in the same state and we could take a look sometime.
I appreciate that, it can be difficult to find interior components since Leylands in general arent common. About a month ago the drivers window fell in the door skin despite being wound up, turned out the pivot point for the regulator arms was glued to the glass surface itself and the glue had failed, easy fix though as i just stuck it back on with JB weld. For the cracked dashboard i just cut a new dashmat, and as far as people 'upgrading' to Super specs this car was a bit of a victim by having a Super/Executive gauge cluster instead of its original two pod Deluxe arrangement. However ive heard plenty of stories of odd options getting ordered and Leyland was giving the customer anything they asked for, including a case where an Executive was optioned with the 2.6 E6 rather than what is supposed to be the standard 4.4 v8 fitment. I really do prefer the single headlight Deluxe, i thought the Super/Executive front end treatment wasnt as nice looking especially compared to the much better looking nose cone/grille on the Force7v's. I know its an unfair comparison but i thought the standard super grille was the tinny looking one, not the single headlight version. Dual headlights look really nice on other cars, but for base spec or more simple cars the single headlights suit the styling better, sorta like the difference between an XC Falcon 500 compared to a XC GXL trim, or an Austin Tasman compared to an Austin Kimberly. Its all a matter of opinion but thats my view on it Im shooting an episode this week actually, i apologise for being away from publishing videos again, but the interiors all back together (newly upholstered seats, new mudflaps, new reproduction rubber boot mat, new carpet, resealed rear window+new trim, new seatbelts, dash and parcel mats, greased window mechanisms, all doors fully operation etc), new water pump, all the rust finally cut out, welded, bogged, sanded, painted, grille painted, engine not misfiring and pulls very well, new brake lines, all electrics working, "rebuilt" wiper mechanism, its no longer popping fuses, new battery tray, and just a bunch of little things Thanks for watching
@@cutcat8437 Thanks for your reply. You have certainly progressed with the P76. I too have seen a lot of factory fitted specs that don’t quite match the badge. You are correct Leyland did as the customer wished. I have seen bucket sheets factory ac V8 with a 3 speed manual badged Deluxe. I personally prefer the super grill and lights but hate the rubber bumper strip on the Executive. I think spotlights fitted behind the grill on the Deluxe look very smart. I must check and see if any dash parts from my Deluxe wreck are any good. You could have them if you want. I have a Super V8 4 speed in the shed in much the same condition as yours before you started working on it. When I was a teenager Dad had a Deluxe 6 cylinder auto and followed it with an Executive. I also have 2 Leyland tractors and would love a Leyland Mastiff truck with a V8 Perkins but this hasn’t crossed my path yet. Keep up the good work with this special car.
@@cutcat8437 Been thinking. I have broken 2 drivers windows in my P76 history. Glue let go and popping out of its tracks. Thankfully yours didn’t break. Have you got the update scuff plates that direct the water from the door drain to the outside? These are important to keep the water out of the foot pans. This was a bad design and sorted with this update on later cars. You often hear people say the next upgrade would have been better but I think the p76 is something totally unique with so much discussion about it and the mystery of the Force 7 and wagon and P82 V6. I find it a fascinating story and I have one.
@@davidrobertson376 Have you ever seen the proposed Series 2 P76 concept cars? They completely redesigned the rear quarter panel and decklid treatment with more integrated taillights similar to the change Valiant sedans saw with its rear end treatment going from the more sculpted VK to the streamlined and rounded CL rear lights. The C pillar remained and the rear windscreen glass stayed the same however. And i kind of see where the P76 was headed had it continued through to the P82, essentially an oversized Austin Allegro which i think might've borrowed design ques from the P82 project. Maybe not the v6 part but for the mid 1970s it was very industry conscious to know that that would be where we would end up with fwd v6 layouts being a universally adopted standard for mid and full sized cars. As for the P76 continuing as it was, especially with Leylands financial situation being perilous their only option wouldve been facelifting the body. the big three all toyed with updating the aging 1970s bodies, the CN Valiant having square headlights, C pillar glass, updated taillights and modern wheels and interiors couldnt hide the body. The most successful of course was Holdens WB Statesman but even that needed completely new sheet metal everywhere to give it an additional 5 years when it was clearly still a HQ chassis. And if you really wanted to see how badly an old body dates, check out the Argentinian Ford Falcon and how they made a 1962 body last until 1992, the 1955 Morris Oxford being facelifted until 2014 as the Hindustan Ambassador, or the Rootes Arrow/Hillman Hunter of 1966 lasting as the Paykan Iran until 2005. Those are extreme examples but it shows how dated a body can really be and realistically thats the challenge Leyland wouldve been facing, since the companies issues were never getting better. Even if they managed to sell 20 times more P76's, got the Force7v onto the market, fully realised the wagon model and started developing the P82/co managed the Allegro or the Series 2 P76 the British side of management was going under regardless, in my view Leyland Australia was doomed. That being said, how would i know which sill/scuff plates i had with proper drainage accomodation? I just painted them and the rims today ready for new tyres tommorow
@@cutcat8437 I am enjoying the discussion. The financial situation of huge corporations like Leyland and International Harvester are hard to understand. How do they fall apart? They seem to think it will go on forever just doing the same but then they think the way forward is rationalisation of the products and workforce. The P76 at least was an attempt to meet the local market. Your comment about series 2 tail lights is interesting. I believe the panel that holds the tail light assembly was necessary because there wasn’t enough room to turn the car on the assembly line and this was fitted near the end. The factory was built to assemble Austin’s and Tasmans. The update scuff plates have a ridge all the way along that the door closed against. It follows the trim down the edge of the door frame. On the original it just disappears and the plate is flat but on the upgrade it continues right along. I remember Dad buying a set at Leyparts in the 1980s for the Executive. I wonder if anyone in the clubs has pressed new ones.
Haaa! Now THAT is an INTRO!!! That's one strange looking rig, maing. Loves it! Front a bit like a Renault Fuego. But kinda hard to believe it's Michelotti.😁 You can tell the body/paint is all orig. for sure. Vinyl floor covering is THEE worst. More worster than carpet as vinyl doesn't breathe like carpet. Aussieland sure got some strange $hit! The fact it's just 'Leyland' and not like maybe Triumph BY Leyland or whatever is really funny to me ad adds another layer of weirdo-coolness to it. 'Interesting' for sure! 😁 Great to see ya back Mr. Cat! And I watched your intro like 5 times!
Biggest fan! Im glad you enjoyed the intro, i wanted like an awakening vibe to it heh. Its a very odd car for sure, id recommend reading about their launch at Street Machine (article title "Leyland P76 turns 50! Here’s the real story:") and their design story at Shannons (article title "Romand Rodbergh: P76 designer. Celebrating his Achievements"), and if youre keen, their video interviewing a surviving designer (ua-cam.com/video/iw-VFhjHBkU/v-deo.html&ab_channel=ShannonsInsurance) is excellent, you will never read about a modern cars development like this one and how Leyland was betting it all on this model for Australia It was meant to be a direct competitor to the Holden Kingswood, Ford Falcon and Chrysler Valiant, and on paper their specs matched or exceeded the big three with modern McPherson struts, four link rear suspension, alloy v8 that with its light weight and high output outperformed other cast v8's by power to weight amongst other things. They were a great car but the styling was considered too controversial, being split with people hating it or loving it, but for me its just a really nice, basic, touring car with coke bottle styling that i love.
I've subscribed because it gives me motivation to see a project a lot worse than mine getting back on the road, what colour are you painting the 44 gallon drum??? That might be a great reveal at the end of the build
My twopennorth would be to strip everything off the shell and have it dipped, stripped and passivated, followed by an epoxy primer. Do the same with all the major tinware, like doors. Then you know where you are. If you don't, you are going to be spending the rest of your life chasing rust. Good luck.
Be done in no time. 😂. All i can say is, get stuck into it and don't look back. But" and there is a big but, you can't go and put Ford panels into a Leyland!!.
Also: Reach out to the clubs (Vic, NSW, etc.) and become a member. They can hook you up with parts and MAYBE a new/reproduction floor pan. I'll be watching every video you put out on this project.
sweet, but i already ordered universal floorpans an hour after uploading this video, see how theyll go in and fit. Itll be a good car to try them out on because again, chassis elements are essentially floating on this car and bead placement on the pans arent as crucial compared to something like a Jaguar or a first gen Kingswood where the floor needs to be anchored properly. Thanks for watching
Good to see you back on the Leyland. 👍
Ye gods 50 years,half a century! i remember driving past Leyland dealers and seeing them in show rooms. I have a Leyland P76 V8....in my VW square back.
Excellent progress,😁 great cars the Leyland P76
nice p76 i done a video on my one.
Love a P76 I am crazy about the P6 the car before it!
ive watched a bunch of your videos before! Shame about Kismets rot iirc by the fabricator doing you dirty. Your videos were semi influential to me for rover v8 enthusiasm and i was half looking for a P6 at the time since i liked the small economic v8 design philosophy and they were relatively cheap cars in australia for a time there. But a 4.4 is good too and drivetrain wise were very similar to the P6 with the suspension being the only major difference. Thanks for watching
The Deluxe is now a rare bird. You have a survivor there. Most were spect up to Super by their owners over the years. There is a Deluxe at Birdwood museum. I have some Deluxe interior stuff here James in a wreck, don’t know how good it is but we live in the same state and we could take a look sometime.
I appreciate that, it can be difficult to find interior components since Leylands in general arent common. About a month ago the drivers window fell in the door skin despite being wound up, turned out the pivot point for the regulator arms was glued to the glass surface itself and the glue had failed, easy fix though as i just stuck it back on with JB weld. For the cracked dashboard i just cut a new dashmat, and as far as people 'upgrading' to Super specs this car was a bit of a victim by having a Super/Executive gauge cluster instead of its original two pod Deluxe arrangement. However ive heard plenty of stories of odd options getting ordered and Leyland was giving the customer anything they asked for, including a case where an Executive was optioned with the 2.6 E6 rather than what is supposed to be the standard 4.4 v8 fitment.
I really do prefer the single headlight Deluxe, i thought the Super/Executive front end treatment wasnt as nice looking especially compared to the much better looking nose cone/grille on the Force7v's. I know its an unfair comparison but i thought the standard super grille was the tinny looking one, not the single headlight version. Dual headlights look really nice on other cars, but for base spec or more simple cars the single headlights suit the styling better, sorta like the difference between an XC Falcon 500 compared to a XC GXL trim, or an Austin Tasman compared to an Austin Kimberly. Its all a matter of opinion but thats my view on it
Im shooting an episode this week actually, i apologise for being away from publishing videos again, but the interiors all back together (newly upholstered seats, new mudflaps, new reproduction rubber boot mat, new carpet, resealed rear window+new trim, new seatbelts, dash and parcel mats, greased window mechanisms, all doors fully operation etc), new water pump, all the rust finally cut out, welded, bogged, sanded, painted, grille painted, engine not misfiring and pulls very well, new brake lines, all electrics working, "rebuilt" wiper mechanism, its no longer popping fuses, new battery tray, and just a bunch of little things
Thanks for watching
@@cutcat8437 Thanks for your reply. You have certainly progressed with the P76. I too have seen a lot of factory fitted specs that don’t quite match the badge. You are correct Leyland did as the customer wished. I have seen bucket sheets factory ac V8 with a 3 speed manual badged Deluxe. I personally prefer the super grill and lights but hate the rubber bumper strip on the Executive. I think spotlights fitted behind the grill on the Deluxe look very smart. I must check and see if any dash parts from my Deluxe wreck are any good. You could have them if you want. I have a Super V8 4 speed in the shed in much the same condition as yours before you started working on it. When I was a teenager Dad had a Deluxe 6 cylinder auto and followed it with an Executive. I also have 2 Leyland tractors and would love a Leyland Mastiff truck with a V8 Perkins but this hasn’t crossed my path yet. Keep up the good work with this special car.
@@cutcat8437 Been thinking. I have broken 2 drivers windows in my P76 history. Glue let go and popping out of its tracks. Thankfully yours didn’t break. Have you got the update scuff plates that direct the water from the door drain to the outside? These are important to keep the water out of the foot pans. This was a bad design and sorted with this update on later cars. You often hear people say the next upgrade would have been better but I think the p76 is something totally unique with so much discussion about it and the mystery of the Force 7 and wagon and P82 V6. I find it a fascinating story and I have one.
@@davidrobertson376 Have you ever seen the proposed Series 2 P76 concept cars? They completely redesigned the rear quarter panel and decklid treatment with more integrated taillights similar to the change Valiant sedans saw with its rear end treatment going from the more sculpted VK to the streamlined and rounded CL rear lights. The C pillar remained and the rear windscreen glass stayed the same however.
And i kind of see where the P76 was headed had it continued through to the P82, essentially an oversized Austin Allegro which i think might've borrowed design ques from the P82 project. Maybe not the v6 part but for the mid 1970s it was very industry conscious to know that that would be where we would end up with fwd v6 layouts being a universally adopted standard for mid and full sized cars.
As for the P76 continuing as it was, especially with Leylands financial situation being perilous their only option wouldve been facelifting the body. the big three all toyed with updating the aging 1970s bodies, the CN Valiant having square headlights, C pillar glass, updated taillights and modern wheels and interiors couldnt hide the body. The most successful of course was Holdens WB Statesman but even that needed completely new sheet metal everywhere to give it an additional 5 years when it was clearly still a HQ chassis. And if you really wanted to see how badly an old body dates, check out the Argentinian Ford Falcon and how they made a 1962 body last until 1992, the 1955 Morris Oxford being facelifted until 2014 as the Hindustan Ambassador, or the Rootes Arrow/Hillman Hunter of 1966 lasting as the Paykan Iran until 2005. Those are extreme examples but it shows how dated a body can really be and realistically thats the challenge Leyland wouldve been facing, since the companies issues were never getting better.
Even if they managed to sell 20 times more P76's, got the Force7v onto the market, fully realised the wagon model and started developing the P82/co managed the Allegro or the Series 2 P76 the British side of management was going under regardless, in my view Leyland Australia was doomed.
That being said, how would i know which sill/scuff plates i had with proper drainage accomodation? I just painted them and the rims today ready for new tyres tommorow
@@cutcat8437 I am enjoying the discussion. The financial situation of huge corporations like Leyland and International Harvester are hard to understand. How do they fall apart? They seem to think it will go on forever just doing the same but then they think the way forward is rationalisation of the products and workforce. The P76 at least was an attempt to meet the local market. Your comment about series 2 tail lights is interesting. I believe the panel that holds the tail light assembly was necessary because there wasn’t enough room to turn the car on the assembly line and this was fitted near the end. The factory was built to assemble Austin’s and Tasmans.
The update scuff plates have a ridge all the way along that the door closed against. It follows the trim down the edge of the door frame. On the original it just disappears and the plate is flat but on the upgrade it continues right along. I remember Dad buying a set at Leyparts in the 1980s for the Executive. I wonder if anyone in the clubs has pressed new ones.
Haaa! Now THAT is an INTRO!!! That's one strange looking rig, maing. Loves it! Front a bit like a Renault Fuego. But kinda hard to believe it's Michelotti.😁
You can tell the body/paint is all orig. for sure. Vinyl floor covering is THEE worst. More worster than carpet as vinyl doesn't breathe like carpet.
Aussieland sure got some strange $hit! The fact it's just 'Leyland' and not like maybe Triumph BY Leyland or whatever is really funny to me ad adds another layer of weirdo-coolness to it.
'Interesting' for sure! 😁 Great to see ya back Mr. Cat! And I watched your intro like 5 times!
Biggest fan! Im glad you enjoyed the intro, i wanted like an awakening vibe to it heh.
Its a very odd car for sure, id recommend reading about their launch at Street Machine (article title "Leyland P76 turns 50! Here’s the real story:") and their design story at Shannons (article title "Romand Rodbergh: P76 designer. Celebrating his Achievements"), and if youre keen, their video interviewing a surviving designer (ua-cam.com/video/iw-VFhjHBkU/v-deo.html&ab_channel=ShannonsInsurance) is excellent, you will never read about a modern cars development like this one and how Leyland was betting it all on this model for Australia
It was meant to be a direct competitor to the Holden Kingswood, Ford Falcon and Chrysler Valiant, and on paper their specs matched or exceeded the big three with modern McPherson struts, four link rear suspension, alloy v8 that with its light weight and high output outperformed other cast v8's by power to weight amongst other things. They were a great car but the styling was considered too controversial, being split with people hating it or loving it, but for me its just a really nice, basic, touring car with coke bottle styling that i love.
I've subscribed because it gives me motivation to see a project a lot worse than mine getting back on the road, what colour are you painting the 44 gallon drum??? That might be a great reveal at the end of the build
My twopennorth would be to strip everything off the shell and have it dipped, stripped and passivated, followed by an epoxy primer. Do the same with all the major tinware, like doors. Then you know where you are. If you don't, you are going to be spending the rest of your life chasing rust. Good luck.
this is Australia. To do that is big bucks.... and I dont think there are any dipping places .
Long road
Be done in no time. 😂. All i can say is, get stuck into it and don't look back. But" and there is a big but, you can't go and put Ford panels into a Leyland!!.
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Also: Reach out to the clubs (Vic, NSW, etc.) and become a member. They can hook you up with parts and MAYBE a new/reproduction floor pan.
I'll be watching every video you put out on this project.
sweet, but i already ordered universal floorpans an hour after uploading this video, see how theyll go in and fit. Itll be a good car to try them out on because again, chassis elements are essentially floating on this car and bead placement on the pans arent as crucial compared to something like a Jaguar or a first gen Kingswood where the floor needs to be anchored properly. Thanks for watching