Piper M600 Turboprop Flight Trial
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- Piper's M600 is the newest addition to its M-series line and has a larger wing, more power, plus a much needed increase in range. It's also Piper's first aircraft with the turbine-category Garmin G3000 avionics. In this video, Aviation Consumer editor Larry Anglisano offers a close look at the airplane with Piper's Craig Masters.
Always fun drooling over airplanes I can never afford. Sexy plane. Love the use of LCDs.
We must be related. I have the same problem. Must be genetic.
Lurker1979 You and me both fella!! You’re not alone..keep repeating that, until it gets embedded into your mind and start feeling less bad about not being able to afford it!! Maybe you can afford it with a partner helping you out financially, what do you say, huh? I’m down to purchase a plane that I know for sure its out of my league if someone splits the overall costs with me 50/50!!! And it can be under both of our names if that’s ok with you or anyone else.....
Awesome video. Beautiful airplane
Very professional presentation.
Beautiful plane. As a PP I would love to catch a ride in one
Can the aircraft fly with 4 passengers and full fuel, I heard there is a CG limit prohibiting it.
About time. I always thought the meridian was an under performer, little inventive to have over the mirage. Now it seems more competitive.
Incentive
is it me or does piper seem like the good ol boys of that aviation industry
Adoraria que tivesse vídeos com legenda/ ou literalmente em português ou alemão, pois não falo inglês...Obrigado, e adorei os vídeos do canal...
Seems like a good point on the curve of price vs performance. Less capable than some but heaps cheaper. The TMB appeals to me but I like this Piper too. Nice vid.
Black Dog , do you realize the cost of fuel and engine upkeep program of a twin engine jet aircraft?
You know, for a single engine turboprop, this is not a bad airplane, but then again, the original Meridian wasn't, either, after the Gross Weight Increase. But, here's my issue. At $2.8M, you can buy One Aviation Eclipse 550, a twin engine pure jet that is over 100 knots faster, flies up to 41,000'. It doesn't have the range of the M600, but it will carry four people in comfort for 1,100 miles faster and in smoother air.
I would be very hard pressed to find a reason, if I was in the market, to buy this aircraft over the Eclipse 550, or even a 500 Total Eclipse, for $2.3M
The only 'downsides' to the Eclipse is you have to be type-rated in it, which you don't have to be in the M600. But, if you're flying this class of airplane, you should be as close to being type-rated as you can be, anyway.
Fuel consumption, maintinence, operating costs etc.
Nick Stadtmueller If you're comparing the M600 to the Eclipse, yes, the M600 would be less expensive. However, with a direct operating cost of only $742 per hour, the Eclipse is only slightly more expensive per hour than a PC-12 or a TBM900. However, I can't find any specs on the M500 or M600, but I can't think it's so much less than the TBM 900 or so. So, maybe $100 less per hour. If you buy a Total Eclipse, instead of a new M600, the acquisition cost is $800,000 more for the M600. That'll buy a lot of hours at $100 hour difference in Direct Operating Costs.
I think the market that piper is trying to appeal to are people/small businesses that have the money to burn. In which case they are just offering a plane to contest to the PC-12 and Tbm 930. If any medium to large business were looking for a corporate plane they are better off getting a small jet. So in my opinion I find this plane to be a marketing venture for piper.
I think you guys missed the point. ;-) It's a million less than the cheapest competitor in its class and it's a bargain when compared to the PC-12's 2 million+ premium for a few hundred more in range and more speed.I know jets are all the rage these days but single turboprops can go a lot of places a jet cant and fill a important gap in the market.As someone who has over 400 hours in a PC-12 try landing a jet on grass or dirt..........then come tell me that a hot single turboprop is simply a marketing ploy ;-)
@@rustypotato1884 Nope it's for people who love to fly Pipers. And it's selling.
thanks terrific job
2.85 million for a single engine airplane. It's good to be the king.
we wuz kangs
Amazing how expensive airplanes have become today!
Have to stay with my LSA this year....
Great aircraft except for the PT6 turbine. It's time to introduce a FADEC or replace it with a GE turbine which has FADEC and doesn't need a hot section inspection half-life. Single pilot operations are significantly improved with a FADEC, torque limiter, etc.
ruirodtube I agree with you 100%. I instruct in a multi engine turboprop with dual channel FADECs in each engine.
Only if you shouldn’t be flying in the first place.
The PT6 is the only engine certified for single engine commercial IFR operations for a reason... in spite of having the least experienced pilot group operating them.
Totally agree. Makes no sense not to have FADEC.
1:06, is that is P-51 in the background?
Yup. We flew this smack in the middle of AirVenture, but over at Appleton, WI.
What's that lump in the left wing? and why it is not on the right wing?
Radar dome.
How long will it take for someone too learn how too fly this piper ? If not experience too.
First you have to get your private pilot lisence then you get Instrument rated after that you'll have to get endorsed for this aircraft which is a turboprop. It's around 80 hours flight time to be able to fly this aircraft , if commercial pilot lisence is not the requirement this aircraft otherwise It will be around 270 hours
You could get your private pilot's certificate in this plane in, theoretically, 40 hours. you would be limited to flights under 18,000 feet and VFR until you get the hours to get instrument rated. There is no legal requirement to get experience or training to fly a single engine turbo prop as a private pilot. You will need complex and high performance endorsements in your logbook. Turbojets require type ratings but FAR Part 23 certified airplanes with propellers all fall within the scope of a 40 hour private certificate.
Loved it
Is visibility forward as poor as it appears in the video? Is the glareshield really that high?
The glareshield is fairly high, but the nose attitude in the initial climb (Vy is 122 knots) blocks a lot-if not all-of the forward view out the windshield. It's a bit better in cruise climb.
+@@AVweb the glareshield height is a concern but it seems ok for landing.
how much is the price of piperM600?
what do you do when the touch screen seizes, whats the redundancy for that
i-pad
Another 5 touch screens?
What if both vacuum pumps fail? Whatca gonna do then? Fly visually. Technogloy or not we all fall back on the standards of aviation we learnt back in school.
I like it.
All this new glass technology is great but i have to admit i am a dials kind of guy
So am I....
@@Desertduleler_88 It's just a matter of gtting used to the displays and making them work for you
My Dad was a Piper Aircraft Engineer VRB for 33 years. He used to take me Flying on weekends when GA was affordable! It is sad in GA only the ELITE Turds can afford these aircraft or even to Fly today! I have a Commercial. Instrument, Multi, ATP CFI CFII 8500 SAFE Flying Hours.. Most WITHOUT AUTO PILOT!
I Applaud A Pilot With Your Credentials Admitting What A Shame It Is That Only The Elite Can Know & Enjoy The Thrill Of Flight & So True, Autopilot Does Not A Pilot Make!
I'd buy a used Lear 35A and pay for a captain and have still have 2 Million in the bank.
Until you feed that Lear (it's very thirsty), and service the engines. Oh, and you need two pilots (even if you are one of them.) These are cheap because they cost a bunch to operate.
Factor in insurance, hangar lease, maintenance, engine reserve, fuel. And it needs two pilots. That $2 million is going to be gone before you know it.
Sure and that bank will get emptied by maintenance cost.
that 2 million in the bank? Ha.. ever maintain a Lear?
Not for very long
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This aircraft pretends to be in the same class as a PC-12 or TBM, but those aircraft can actually DO something other than haul a pilot, 2 passengers and 100 lbs of luggage 600 nm. This is an ego plane only intended for the guy who wants a really nice way to get from golf course to golf course, and there is nothing wrong with that. Just don't pretend it is something more than a turbine C-206 with nicer seats.
But slow compared to the 930 @SeriusNtentions
+Craig Sanderson The M600 doesn't pretend to be what it is not--a PC-12 or TBM 940. If you need an airplane with load- carrying capabilities or speed, by all means buy one of the above if you're willing to accept higher operating costs. A turbine C-206? No, just an improved Meridian.
I mean... A 206 can't cruise at 250, but okay...
I thought the M600 came standard with a 5 blade prop?
*Probably a choice, the Composite Prop is ~$85,000*
the cirrus jet will fill this niche. Why spend $2.8 mil for a plane that has the same Full Fuel Useful load as a Cessna 182?? Most of the back seats are for decoration then??
+David Heon Useful load is a dumb criteria to judge an airplane by. More pertinent is how you plan to fly the airplane and for what missions. Most Meridians fly missions of 1 hour or less. Then you can carry 6 if the load does not exceed your zero-fuel limitations. If you need more hauling capacity occasionally, then charter a Phenom 300. If you need that capacity all the time, then consider a used G-280, if you can afford one.
Isn't it better having two engines rather than one - incase one engine fails?
sure in that view it is usually better to have a multi engine over a single engine, but even then a lot of multi's will still lose altitude with an engine out and a lot of single engines have a much better glide in case of engine failure, along with having an incredible running cost with owning a multi engine its not always better
nosupervision Thank you for the reply. I'm glad they're able to glide in case of engine failure.
Two engines mean more money to buy, fuel and maintain. Also, flying a twin with just one working engine can't be easy. Some people think that unless you fly a LOT and have the time and money to learn a twin, you're probably better off getting really good at flying a single engine instead (and landing one without power). I imagine a plane like this comes with a ballistic parachute option too.
+eatmorenachos no chute option. only on sirrus and lancairs right now
The idea with these single turboprops like the Meridian, TBM, Caravan, etc.. is to replace piston twins with something that is nearly as economical to buy and run, has much more performance, and has a single turbine engine that is more reliable than the two piston engines it replaces. With two piston engines, you're twice as likely to have an engine failure. Compared to a single turbine it's more like half a dozen times more likely. And when that engine fails, you might not be able to climb after takeoff or maintain safe altitude. Then, even if everything is working perfectly, you're stuck in icing layers and bad weather for a lot longer. Most of these single turbines have an alternate fuel control if the normal one malfunctions, and with GPS it's easy to find a suitable airport to glide to from the flight levels should the engine quit... vs trying to find a safe drift down in a twin.
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If a Cherokee was made in the 60's for 6K and met all the criteria to be safe how is it possible to justify a 2.8M plane regardless.Technology and manufacture capability have improved light years and COST should be reflecting that. I guess it is such a limited market therefore the high price to produce reflects that. Need to revitalize the aircraft industry with mass production and lower sell price. If this is a 100x better product than a Cherokee Six < 1M would be expected. Dream on.....
aviation is an expensive industry because of the safety regulations from manufacturing to operation
$2.9m for 270ktas cruise, 6 seat no parachute? It has no niche facing the Cirrus SF50 which is faster @300ktas cruise and has the Perspective system based on the same G3000 idea. Has a chute and is priced at $1.9m.
You can even go with a Lancair Evo at $1.5m with the same speed as the SF50 yest uses the same engine as the M600. How does Piper expect to stay in business in the face of these new far superior clean sheet designs at lower prices?
80 pounds of parachute. Who would want that? $15,000 replacement every 12 years.
@@KB4QAA I love the m600 but I'd take the parachute. If you can throw down the bucks for the airplane, you can afford the chute.
We all say that, but then Pipers keep popping up all over the world to grab their share of the market. The truth is that a hell of a lot of folks everywhere love the way Pipers fly. And they are just "plane" ass reliable airplanes, very tough and sturdy.
@@williamrmcintosh4343 Actually, they're relatively conventional. That's the ticket, sort of like a C182. It's not going to do what the latest-and-greatest can do, it's not likely to have the structural prowess of others (i.e., Pipers have a bit of a rep for occasionally diassembling themselves in flight with lots of commercial-use hours), but for someone with the money, it may just be an easier, conventional decision than trying to be on the leading edge, often with higher flight and/or maintenance-schedule costs.
I've flown a piper m600 300 hours within 3 months, check my channel. Not so easy on flare at the beginning, but very good aircraft if you know how to fly.
Also, it requires a lot of muscle power to control the plane with 1 hand.
The pilot should get a fitness subscription with a job offer to be strong like Schwarzenegger
I’m not sure how they survive charging 2.8 million for a single engine airplane , it’s like the plane is made of gold or what???
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Piper too late trying to compete for a market share that is dominated by two better aircraft in every way TBM and Pilatus.
I'll take old school planes over these bullshit, overpriced ugly modern planes.
At least you can fly it drunk.