How To Land In Air Mode | BETAFLIGHT CLEANFLIGHT
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- Опубліковано 18 лют 2017
- Air mode gives you control of your quadcopter when the throttle is lowered. It also makes some people ask, "How do I land with air mode on?" When air mode is enabled, the quadcopter may tend to bounce on landing. I'll show you how to land with air mode enabled so that you can take advantage of air mode without wrecking every time you touch down.
I land at high speed so my battery shoots out of the quad, automatically disarming it.
Pierson Klein I thought that was the desired method 😂
@@calehuntfpv480 I use the hit the side of the barn method. Usually stops it quite well. And all my props are broke so it doesn't matter if it's on or not.
So real shit. I'm new sorry for the dumb question but can I fly air mode with my accelerameter off?
If you have children or at least one kid then aim for them, be careful they tend to run and sometimes run around objects, so that they'll be forced to reach out, protecting themselves I suppose, and grab the quad. But like Bardwell said be sure to disarm just before landing, or striking. Also the number one way to retrieve your quad.
@@kwadlife4106 I don't believe so
Exactly how I land now, when I started flying, I just found the nearest tree and slammed into it to eject the battery- safely disarming the quad.
What I love is this confirms I had the right idea out the gate with my build on Angle and Horizon, even before beginning to understand and try my hand at Air mode just last week (thanks to your wonderful instructional video and very helpful replies). Cannot thank you enough for being such an integral part of this fantastic community, Joshua!
Another option is to turn off disarm at any throttle position. Then you can can come on in and as you approach your landing zone, flip your disarm switch. The copter will keep flying until your throttle stick goes below min check. Then you don't even need to reach the switch as you are focussing on ground proximity etc. This technique helped immensely with my landings
A couple of points though if you try this method:
1. If you flip the switch really early and then keep flying on in to your landing area and for whatever reason drop the throttle a little aggressively to lose altitude, you fall out of the sky.
2. When you want to disarm because you are crashing, you need to remember to hit the switch AND drop the throttle. I found I got used to this very quickly.
Guess what cost me a day in the hospital.
Doing what you did in the first 15 seconds in my hand :/ ... Thanks for reminding everyone to be safe!
In my opinion, never, ever take off from your hand. It is not worth it. If you make a practice of it, you will bite yourself eventually.
If I were a big time television celebrity who wanted to take off from my hand, I would first do a takeoff and hover LOS and then immediately record the bit. But this is still reckless because it encourages people who don't know the safety precautions to be boneheads. The thing is, when you watch Penn and Teller do the Bullet Catch trick, you know they're doing a trick and you don't try to emulate them. When you see a Celebrity Pilot take off or land from his hand, you don't see the safety precautions they take, and you assume they're just as reckless as you would be if you did the same thing. Or maybe they are being reckless, and they're just lucky to not get bit yet.
There is a guy at the local club who holds his copter in his hand on the flight line and throttles it up right in front of his face and wiggles it around to see if it's working. It drives me crazy. Even if he doesn't care about cutting his own face up, it's irresponsible to do it near other pilots.
I totally agree to you!
Was a rookie mistake. Held it down with one hand, armed and applied some throttle. Suddenly this thing exploded (FC wrong direction).
Never knew why they said "props off", but they are nice knives....
BTW: keep up the godd work!
Diego The Wolf yeah no point in taking off from your hand really. Air mode makes it difficult anyways... deff can land in your hand tho, my favorite way! 1/2 the time I like to get a perfectly smooth landing on the ground tho... when flying los.
Oooh yeah, the first time out with a 5"er in a year a few months ago, my camera was WAAAAAY over exposed, so I brought it back to me, almost blind and what I thought was 10 feet away, ended up being my shin with DAL cyclones spinning up because it was in air mode, it peeled so much flesh off my shin that there was flesh on the frame, I was bleeding like a stuck pig- this was the first time and the _last time_ I injured myself with a quad- my wound is still healing and I'm sure I will have scars for life.
For now on I establish a place to land, typically 15 feet to my right or left side and always use that area to land.
@@JoshuaBardwell kind of old but I did that once but I didn't mean to take off. I was just holding both the quad and the tx in one hand, and the switch got flipped (only 6 channels on spektrum so no prearm) I was holding it in such a way that I couldn't let go of the quad without dropping the tx so me panicking thought it wasn't worth it. I used my other hand to frantically flip every switch while my finger where getting chopped. I know where the switch is by heart when I'm holding it, bit from the side I just spammed all the switches. Ended up putting it in angle mode and making the motors spin faster. My thumb was so mangled I couldn't fly for weeks.
Love the way you break things down bro. Agreed your throttle switch obviously will stop the bouncys, but it was so helpful observing your technique of forward descent then applying a little back tilt before disarming. My landings have been a lot gentler if not always heads up thanks to you excellent tutelage o sensei. Many thanks
Because I fly quads running one shot, multishot and D Shot. I have noticed D Shot is allot more responsive and needs different settings than I use on my quad that uses one shot. I find small circles made landing in challenging spaces allot easier. Thanks for the great vids Josh!
LOL! That intro... Good to know even highly seasoned and experience pilots jump when their craft doesn't do what they expect on takeoff! And say the first exact thing that I do when a quad goes bonkers. :D
And no matter what anyone else says, you keep rockin' the sarong! They are super comfy and cool. We certainly know what the guys making fun of us about it lack; a good dose of self-confidence and manliness!
I like to disarm just off the ground with a switch on the right side of the Taranis. It is also nice to disarm before getting in the grass so that its not a lawnmower. Thanks for the video. Also if I'm in an area where landing is an issue. I like to pass over my head from behind me, and then take off my goggles and land direct sight. Remember to do this with the sun behind you.
Your the man Josh, seriously.. I learn so much from you..
Sorry if I ask too many questions, I know you probably get a ton.. But from a guy who's a couple years into flying toy quads.. And got the need for more and... Maybe unfortunately I watched to many reviews and got the wizard.. But I have an f3 deluxe board on order (only because I couldn't find the other in stock) and I Will not give up on this thing.. I mean the frame is perfectly fine right, the escs and motor work.. I'm sure you will hear from me once I get to work on the upgrade ;) so ahead of time, thank you!
I'll be asking my drone questions like you in the beginning ;)
Seriously, thank you so much, that bouncing was driving me nuts. This morning was the first time I managed to get 'air mode' working on my quad, and the bouncing was just confusing.
Thanks for that! Sometimes it's just nice to see others doing the process, so you feel your not as far off from a decent landing as you may think... :-) Take care man, -Jamie
i never get to land i crash first !!!!hahahhahah
Guillermo Nespolo i know how you feel.
Guillermo Nespolo can't land when my thumbs are shaking... (only into my maybe 10 flight on a x220)
John Graboski bahahah yeah I hate that! Sooo nervous and excited😅! Can actually see in the footage after my shaking hahaha!
Great advice ..Thank You !!
Thanks for sharing Joshua!
Been there!! Sweet talking the quad always helps me;)
I ended up sticking AirMode on the high position of my Arm switch. Works good for me.
Low=Disarm, Mid=Arm, High=Arm+Airmode.
sandboxsteve thats a good idea... that saves an extra switch for me
sandboxsteve I do the same... I just disable Airmode before landing using a switch... And that's just less of a hassle...
Very useful video - thank you.
Thank's I learned some more, today.
Thanks Joshua! Great info for a noob like myself! Sent a link by my friend Digital Mojo FPV! He's a godsend and so are you!!!😎👍
I really enjoy your videos and learning a lot from your tutorials, keep doing them pls! :) I just flashed my Walkera F210 with BF (yes, I'm a newbie), and was planning to setup Air Mode on a switch so I can just flip it off when taking off or landing. I will have the disarm function on another switch. Can I just do that ?
awesome video as always
I want to rip it up at the Bardwell estate sometime 👍🤘 great fpv spot
That amazing landing while still armed at the very beginning must be from those hall sensor gimbals ;) lol
I put spring switches in place of SB and SC on my Taranis so I can arm and get call outs using my middle fingers while pinching. That way I only need to push down. I you have to hold both to arm and just tap SB to disarm, and tap SC for Mah call out. It is very easy to reach in pinch that way because you never need to get under the switch.
Great video. What is the make of your drone? I'm just starting out. Any suggestions?
Landing with airmode is fun :)
Have a great week Joshua!
Thanks!
Great info as always :)
have your 3way switch on disarmed / armed (with motor stop) and airmode. Once you come in for landing, drop switch to armed only and just throttle down to zero, once you are on the ground, you wont bounce, and it works perfectly.
Awesome.
I keep all my switches on the right side so I never need to use my throttle fingers.
I like it, and land just like you describe. Kill those motors as soon as you touch.
lovin' the new intro vid !
A blast from the past!
Mr Bardwell,
I like your videos, you do a great job on them, and I always learn something.
So believe me, I'm really not trying to be a smartxxx, but it seem that occasionally they can be summarized in a sentence. Like:
"To land in Airmode, turn it off before touchdown"
I clicked 'play' expecting the secret information on how to 'tame the monster', expecting a super advanced technique so clever I'd be totally amazed.
I was just was a tad disappointed when the big secret was to just "turn it off"! Then a few seconds later, I was even more disappointed I didn't think of it.
I do however, appreciate the advice, as it's nonetheless just as useful as if it involved a ground contact/propwash negating PID loop flight mode in the Taranis (which is where I was heading) or other sort of black magic.
Like the gentleman below I don't get to actually land as often as I'd like do to an 'unscheduled object interaction' and appreciate being to end my occasional smooth flight with an equally smooth landing rather than the typical airmode 'inverted flop'.
Thanks for all the great videos!
Yeah, well, I told people for a long time, "Just disarm right before you land," but people keep asking, so I thought it would be helpful to add a video demonstrating the process. Sometimes people need a little more explanation than others.
I also pinch and to make it easier i turned my disarm switch through 180 degrees. I now pull the switch towards me to disarm. Using a pull action on the switch allows me to pinch and rest my ring finger on the switch at all times. Disarming is really easy this way
I just switch from Acro to Angle mode when I want to land. In Betaflight, set the Air mode to be off when in Angle mode. Thanx for the lesson anyway, your videos are great.
I would be curious to know How would you go about landing your FPv drone on a tight, moving platform like a sailboat... I did a job on sailboats a few years back and I was filming with a mavic so I took off and landed from my hands, but I m trying to figure out what I would do with racer drones ( sailboats can’t stop for you to land cause it’s a race)
I lost my eachine! lol I have another one on order...I'm not giving up I love these things! thanks for the inspiration joshua!
Sounds like the first time I ever flew a quad. Maiden flight lost site of it and never saw it again. In just under 2 minutes. Bought another one that night cuz I felt so bad that the quad I lost was supposed to be for both my son and I. Got the 2nd one in and told my son " here you go, I'm sticking to the simulator for a while, if you're smart you would too.". Both quads were eachine wizards.
I would love to know the difference in Airmode from KISS to Betaflight? I find they behave very differently. It's much harder to land in airmode in Betaflight for me which was a surprise when I tried it the first time.
+FinalGlideAus if only we could see the source...
Joshua Bardwell savage lol
We need GapIt's wisdom on this. He's the only one with enough experience in perching between the 2 firmwares. - Semi-serious non-troll speculation: Ye Olde Multiwii bounce is still somewhere baked into the code? - My normal smart-assed speculation: Kiss Airmode is SoftMounted! - THE ONLY WAY TO SETTLE THIS IS WITH RACEFLIGHT GENTLEMENS.
Well I can ;)
I was wondering the same thing Chad! I mean I have no issues what so ever landing in airmode with Kiss software on my FC board. Even slamming it against the ground doesn't misbehave after a disarm ?
You could just put airmode and arm on the same 3 pos switch.
Off-Arm-Arm+Airmode
That way you can do either your way or turn off airmode just before you land and disarm.
Same switch so you don't forget to switch on Airmode.
I might try this tonight, I only just thought of it.
wear what you like I care about your content keep up the vids .
It would be good if we could have a squat switch on the undercarriage set up to give inhibition of air mode so that it effectively did this job for you. I guess this could be done with an add-on bit of hardware that fed the squat switch in as if it were an Aux RC channel - easy to do if the controller is set up to take RC data by the old one wire per channel method but could be done for spectrum slave, SBus etc with a little more effort.
Yea its old but have 2 arm modes. I taught my friend The left most stick on top (the 3 pos) Away is disarmed so i can flick my finger to disarm, all the way down is arm....BUT middle position is arm and air mode off.
I get it each pilot that I know myself included struggle to land at the beginning but that’s not supposed to keep happening after a while flying so let’s call it part of the process.
Thanks JB I know is a old video but it pop up on my UA-cam wall
I sarted Acro FPV 2 days ago with BetaFPV Cetus X and noticed also that bouncing after landing and that you need to disarm very quick. But I think I gonna train myself to switch to ANGLE Mode for my landings...
Thank you master 🙏👍❤️🍺
Hi Joshua, is landing in Air Mode still an issue if you do not use the disarm approach? Rather than simply disarming to land, I've setup SB as Disarm, Arm+AirMode, and Arm. With Disarm closet to me, I cannot accidently Disarm the quad if I bump the switch midflight, but can easily bump the switch from middle to up position when ready to land which removes Air Mode ... is this better than just disarming? Will not disarming and landing while in Arm mode have the props cutting up the grass and making a mess or is there a way to stop the motors such as ESC braking, etc. etc.?
I am late to the party here, but I have the airmode set to the right shoulder (momentary) switch. When the switch is off, airmode is enabled. So, when landing, my middle finger on my right hand can just push the switch "on" which disables airmode while I'm holding it. Arm/Disarm is on the left shoulder switch so I could do it this way as well.
Making something easy very difficult but loving your green dress/kilt. Lol
You'd be amazed at how many people have trouble with this. I get a LOT of questions asking about this issue.
great information and tips! what Osd are you using?
Betaflight 3.1.
Another way to land with extreme up tilt is to circle around the spot where you want to land while lowering your altitude:)
look at those sexy new gimbals
LOL I was just typing the same thing!!!
Thanks for all the great videos Joshua Bardwell. One thing I would love input on is accomplishing this - I would love to arm my quad (TBS vendetta) and have the motors not spin, but then have the settings such that once I throttle up and I'm flying around, dropping throttle to Zero will only bring the motors to an appropriate idle speed in order to maintain stability more easily in the air - like when using no throttle but still using yaw for example. Can this be accomplished?
With a Taranis, anything can be accomplished, nearly. What I would do is this:
Configure idle up so that the throttle channel does not go below min_check when you are armed. Bear in mind you can still run air mode if you want increased authority. The point of this idle up is solely to keep the motors spinning.
Configure idle up to depend on a logical switch. It should be a "sticky" logical switch. The "goes-true" condition is when the arm switch is in the armed position and when the throttle is > -99 (i.e. when the throttle is raised). The "goes-false" condition is when the arm switch is in the disarmed position.
Enable motor stop.
The effect of htis will be that arming does not cause the motors to begin spinning but as soon as you raise the throttle, the motors won't stop spinning until you disarm. You will still need to lower the throttle in order to re-arm, because the flight controller won't allow you to arm with the throttle raised.
I haven't tested this, but that's the approach I would take.
Joshua Bardwell awesome idea thanks! I'll give it a shot!
I created a Logical switch which gets activated at -97% throttle input. Acting as TH enabled switch. This logical switch is available only when TH enabled mechanical switch is activated. This way air mode always on and at -100% TH input props stopped & drone disarmed. Makes landing easy. :-)
thank you very much :)
Nice shorts dude
Very good video, I think I have my camera on to much of a tilt because I find it hard to land in acro. am I doing something wrong.
I fly with 45° uptilt on a 2.1mm lense and found it natural to land by flying low in a circle and kind of drift onto the landing (like a dog does before it lays down). I roll in the opposite direction just before touchdown to brake and I get it perfect 95% of the time. It was so natural, I thought most people in air mode land like that. Turns out I'm a weirdo.
Yep. This is a great approach for high uptilt.
Joshua Bardwell Wow. Thanks man. Glad to hear I'm not just a noob lol.
Ialso have to tell you this. I went flying right after commenting on this vid and meet a couple guys who were having problems landing. I taught them your landing techniques and they were able to get it 1st try. They instantly asked for my # and now we're flying buddies. Don't worry, I made sure to give you credit and plugged your channel, but it turns out they already watch you lol. Anyway, I really wanna give you a HUGE "thank you." They're the only flying buddies I have after over 1 year of flying quads.
+john budhoo glad you found some buddies and that the info was helpful. Happy Flying!
john budhoo Exactly how i land. You can come in hot and cut fast and slow yourself easily and drop down for a landing.
whoflungdo1 lol. Just gently decrease throttle till you touch down. You'll eventually see the ground come up when you get close. If you're doing a true circle and not an oval, you'll be able to see your landing target before touchdown at all times except when you're directly above it. That makes it super easy to come in gently.
15 seconds in and the like is already hit. Thanks for sharing what many of us learn repeatedly.
My yaw value makes fast, seemingly random jumps downward in betaflight when I change my throttle value. It has really messed with my flying as it happens just as the model predicts when I try to fly. what could the issue be?
as an alternative i have airmode on a switch having it off when taking off shortly after turning on then turn off when landing. are there any pitfalls im missing?
I have Horizon, Acro and Air Mode on a 3 way switch (top to bottom). So when I land, i just switch it all the way back up to Horizon, land and disarm (which is on a separate 3 way switch (disarm/arm/beeper).
so how do you take off? when I arm, the copter twitches left. I can give some throttle, then arm but I like to take off with the stick. How fast should the props be spinning at idle?
I watched your Air mode explained video first. :) correct me if I am wrong, if you can relate. I see air mode as idle up on my helicopters. I always switch to idle up before lifting off a heli flight and if I did land in Idle up, I would of course do two things. 1. I would not push throttle past the 1/2 point, dont need neg pitch when I am sitting on the ground already, and 2. switch to normal mode so the copter settles in. Also related perhaps, if I even touch the right stick even with the blades spinning down and quite slow, it will tip over very easily. I understand the workings of air mode, thanks. Now to put it into practice. It looks like I would want authority throughout a flight, but need to disable just prior to touch down. So question, as opposed to hitting the disarm switch (we call kill on helis) why wouldn't you just switch to horizon or angle mode? Do we experience the same control loop in those modes?
You don't need to disable air mode for landing if you don't want to. But you can if you feel like it. I don't use Horizon or Angle mode at all so I fly with Accelerometer turned off.
Whats the different in authority between airmod and just acro with low spinning props with zero throttle ?
I use the shoulder 3 pos switch to 1. Airmode OFF, 2. ON 3. ON with Black box.
I All ways want to turn Airmode OFF when testing, or testing my friends patience or chasing my wife around the house. Great to know it's all over when you snap your hand back. But , leave it on when you want to and shut it off when you want to catch it.
Hey Joshua, I couldn't help but notice on the top of your fpv screen the name/code "km40tn coyote". What does it mean? Is it your ham callsign or something? Be the way, love your videos. You're not wrong when you say "you're gonna learn something today".
KM4OTN is my ham callsign. Coyote is the name of the quad, to help me keep my DVR video straight.
Hey there Joshua just wanted to let you know that since you said on one of your reviews or something that you love the fatshark HD2 and you said if anyone has them for sale or knows of any you would swoop them up and I'm instant well from letting you know that mercari has them on their website and app it is some female who said that they have only used them one time they are for 375 though but it comes with a camera as well so there you go buddy
your skirt video is going to be your most viewed video now. lol
Hi I have in my 2 quad 3 Inches, the same issue than you at the very beggining in the video, I have strong bounces when I try to take off with Air Mode activated. why? This does not happen with my 5 inches. Is this normal?
Thanks / Excellent ....
I've set the air mode on one of the switches and turning it off right before landing.
Coach are you wearing a table cloth around your waist?
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I'd totally rock a kilt if I could pin down my tartan colors "three different last names from Scotland and one is very common" All the people wondering why you wear them need to fly with jeans on down here in Florida.... lol
Cool! NEW intro
I use the two stage arming you outlined in your earlier video. One of the features of the disarm is that you have to hit the switch to disarm AND the throttle needs to be at zero (or very close). So what I do is when I am committed to landing, I trigger the disarm switch (but I am still running because the throttle is not at minimum). So when I touch down, i just drop the throttle to min and it immediately disarms.
I'm pretty sure in Joshua's dual stage arming setup, the throttle has to be zero only to arm, not to disarm. I don't think it's safe to have to also lower the throttle, and hit a switch to disarm. If I hit the disarm switch, I want it disarmed right now, regardless of any stick positions. This way you don't need to lower the throttle when you're landing. Just disarm, and motors will stop regardless of throttle position.
Are you sure you have "Disarm motors regardless of throttle value' set? If this isn't set, then you would have the behavior you describe, but not because of any setup on the Taranis. I don't know why you'd not want it to immediately die if you hit the kill switch though.
It does require both the disarm switch to be triggered and the throttle to be below a given set point. You can see in the video he is doing both simultaneously, chopping the throttle and hitting the switch. I can certainly appreciate some of the advantages for pure switch disarming (and there have been a couple of times I wish I had that). But on the whole, I like the two stage because it requires two deliberate actions arming or disarming. I'm a klutz and I know I would hit the disarm switch accidentally while up in the air. And for me, the two stage disarm works well on landings.
+Brian Case no that's not correct. Disarm works immediately. Lowering the throttle is not required. I'm lowering the throttle to finish the touchdown gracefully.
I guess on the next rainy day I will dig into what part of the programming I screwed up on. Nevertheless, I've adapted to the way it functions and really like it. Thanks for the reply! Love the videos!
I double checked my settings against what is in the two stage arming video and I can find no differences in the settings. But I volunteer I am not an expert at programming and i might be missing something right in front of my face. Perhaps you could help me find where I am wrong? According to the logic, the quad will follow the arming state of L4. L4 is a sticky of L3, which has an AND statement that requires that both L1 AND L2 be true. L2 is true only when the throttle is below -99. So I don't see where the disarm logic can be divorced from the arm logic. I can state after 100+ packs with this set up that the disarm (with my radio settings) will only function if the SF switch is triggered and the throttle is down below -99. If the throttle is lifted and the hit SF (to disarm), the quad remains running. Once I also chop the throttle, then it disarms. Again, I really like this method and have found it very useful. I am just curious where my mistake is. Thanks again!
Can you teach us how to hand launch like Mr. Steele, but using Betaflight? Thanks!
My approach is to enable Motor_STOP and disable Disarm_regardless_throttle, flip the Disarm switch when I'm about to land, and throttle all the way down when touch the ground. Can also switch to Angle mode to help to establish a hover.
i have trouble reaching the back button, so i might add a "airmode" toggle to land it and disarm once on the ground
Hi Joshua,
Why did you change from thumbing to pinching? Does it give more control? Or is it just a preference?
Yes, it gives more control.
@@JoshuaBardwell - 6 years old comment and I LOVE IT!!! I thought I am going crazy, coming from extensive Xbox-ing whole my life! Nothing makes me fly as precisely as using this hybrid or full pinching. I love it!
Josh, do you ever land in a tight spot without having an approach. I have been flying FPV for about two months now and would love a switch that puts my copter in an imaginary cylinder where I can lower the throttle and disarm. My DJI drones are great at this. Obviously this FPV stuff requires more skills to fly, but a tight landing option would be cool to have.
Making tight circles is a good way to approach this situation. You can also flick autolevel mode on.
Hi joshua, great videos, can't you just configure a switch to disable airmode when you're about to land instead of disarming?, thanks
That's what I did for my mini whoop, works great
I have a question. I just built a Chameleon. When i took it on it's maiden if i floor the throttle or let all the way off the throttle it jerks sideways. (Stock Pids) Please help! Betaflight and a cl racing f4 fc
Anti_gravity_gain will fix that problem.
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Great vid as always... what are you wearing in this vid? ive seen that green bottom in a few of your vids....
I seem to be too slow at hitting the disarm once I touch down and my copter goes nuts. A new flight mode that would really help a beginner like me would be "landing mode" which would function like "Air mode with auto motor disable on first zero throttle". If this option existed, I see how it could be a very dangerous option if unintentionally enabled while flying. time to go practice landings more landings.....
can u use air mode while in acro mode or is it a mode by it self
I'm new at everything! Recently I followed a video (not yours) on tuning in betaflight. Somehow my throttle curve is so low at 80% forward on the stick and I'm just leaving the ground. Your information is way above my knowledge base so if I can please explain what to do on a simple format I'd appreciate it. But, maybe it's no a simple problem. This is my first race quad that I built and used the default settings. Everything worked fine, plenty of throttle with my 2600kv motors. Now it's so sluggish and non responsive flying is painful to fly I thought to just flash the board to go back to original settings but thought to ask for help first.
+Larry Faucett did you add throttle expo? Try removing it.
I have a new quad that runs away in airmode if I raise the throttle past 50%. The quad stops responding to my inputs and starts to fly away on its own until I disarm. This only happens in Airmode. Acro/ Angle mode work fine. Its a Kabab toothpick 3 running BF 4.0. Any help at all would be incredibly appreciated. Nobody seems to know what the issue could be
There is too much vibration getting to the gyro. Try lowering the cutoff frequency of the filters.
Nice tutorial. Are you flying in full acro or horizon mode?
+stunter4everfsls acro always
Disable "Disarm motor regardless of throttle value" and flip disarm switch on final approach. As long as throttle stick is above zero, disarm action won't happen. Instead of having to worry about flipping disarm switch while correcting throttle for gentle landing, you only need to focus on the throttle stick and chop throttle at the right moment where you would have had to flip switch. Makes life much easier.
That's what I found works really well, too. My arm switch is above my right stick (flying mode2) and I just flick the switch up to disarm while in the air using my index finger and fly in for landing. Automatically disarmed when throttle killed - if I didn't crash already :-p
+RaceMiata this is discussed elsewhere on the comments.
as always, josh, thanks for your tips, but i have a question that's been nagging me for some time. i do not enable permanent air mode by switch or BetaFlight GUI button toggle. i do have air mode activate when throttle is > 1350 (default). it's known that authority at low throttle has improved with the latest iterations of BetaFlight. so my question is: when i do a punch out (air mode gets activated) then cut my throttle to 0, is air mode deactivated? (i can't find anything in the Wiki or web.) i believe it is, and it's this improved low authority that still allows me to do acrobatic moves at 0 throttle. when i come in for a landing, my throttle is < 1350, so air mode is deactivated, and i don't have bouncing issues. enabling permanent air mode on the GUI is like the old way of turning it on by switch. why do we need permanent air mode since we have control on low authority now without it?
+SaGô if you don't use Air Mode either by feature or switch then it is never enabled.
Also, air mode activate doesn't work like you're saying. It activates the first time throttle goes over 1350 then it stays active until you disarm.
I always do this weird downward spiral thingy until I finally get close. Which seems impossible because of my cam angle & it's a stock Runcam lens idk. On my turnigy 1-6s thers a button right where your index finger naturally lays on the back of the transmitter it makes this so comfortable
to prevent a landing from changing my cam angle I've got this lil zip tied foam pc thingy which has forced me to fly at least 35°
+Space Lord yeah. I just left it off because I was changing angle for the demonstration.
You've got one too? That's awesome as you know I've barely been flying a couple weeks. I decided today I'm going full acro so wish me & my quad the best of luck haha. You think I should acro los first or just go strait fpv?
I find LOS in rate (acro) to be harder than in FPV. You'll love it. No more holding the pitch stick forward!
Dave Grainger omfg i don't know why I've been horrified this whole time I jest flew 4 packs acro and although I barely purred around the field probably 30% throttle lol but it was great. This is nice I'm proud lol
Why do you chop the throttle when you could just disarm? After all isn't the throttle chop redundant? Also, I find it easier to put airmode on a switch and disable as I am returning to land. Then I can land with the more intuitive throttle chop followed by leisurely disarm.
+Steve Minard I want the copter to gradually descend the latest few inches not fall. Hence lowering the throttle then flipping the switch just at the end.
Does anyone know how to connect clean flight to Rotor rush or any other simulator? Thanks
Thoughts on pinchy vs. thumbs for noob.
I'm led to believe pinchy is preferred but my thumbs keep wanting to take over.
Should I work harder on pinchy?
+Newtsche I found pinching to offer more control. But switching only took about 5 or 10 packs so it's not a big deal.
yeah is not an easy transition but it gets better with time. Keep at it.
ahh if only i had your backyard JB
Was the problem in the intro wrong FC Orentation? I had the same thing happen to me the first time I used the Kiss app on my phone.
+Tyrone FPV it could have been but it wasn't. I actually have no idea what it was. I checked everything and tested again and it never repeated itself.
what camera and lens are you using?
Foxeer XAT600 with GoPro style lens (2.5mm).
Joshua - I've been planning on upgrading to a GoPro style lens. However, I have found several different ones with various brand names. Not sure if some are mediocre knock-offs. Specifically, which one do you use and recommend?
Thank you!
+Larry Delceg I use the Vicdozia. Check my GoPro lens video there is a link in the video description.
Thank you so much Joshua! Your personal help means a lot.
Alright, so here's the deal with the Chimera 7. Super stoked about taking it for a spin in all sorts of gnarly conditions - snow, mud, you name it. But here's the head-scratcher: the landing game.
Why can't we just flip that bad boy into Normal mode and snag it mid-air? My Chimera 7 hasn't dropped into my life just yet, and this is the big mystery that's been messing with my flow. Back in the DJI FPV days, I'd rock the M mode like it was my jam, and when it was time to touch down, I'd switch to N mode and scoop it up mid-air. Kinda strange that this ain't an option with the Chimera 7, right?
Can you shine a light on this landing situation for me? Much appreciated, my FPV friend!
You're thinking of a DJI drone where Normal mode gives good position hold. Betaflight doesn't have position hold. It doesn't have the sensors required to do position hold accurately, like downward facing rangefinder and optical flow sensor.
Hey, thanks a bunch for dropping those insights, man; really appreciate it!
Now the whole N mode thing makes way more sense to me. I'm mulling over some landing strategies 'cause, truth be told, I've got a bit of a dilemma, especially considering my penchant for flying in snowy and muddy conditions. I'm brainstorming, and here's a wild thought - what about using GPS Rescue? Picture this: wrap up the flight, bring the bird back close to home, kick in the GPS Rescue, and snag it mid-air. Crazy idea, right? But could it work? Lay it on me, what's your take?
Apologies for the noob vibes; the Chimer is still on the way, and I'm soaking up all the knowledge I can. B
ig thanks for schooling me, my dude!@@JoshuaBardwell
What kind of RPM are you using in Air Mode if you turn it on before adding throttle? Mine will start to lift off the ground is that ok or do I need to lower the RPM for air mode? Thanks
You need to lower min_throttle most likely, and/or recalibrate your ESCs. If you're using Dshot then maybe digital_idle_percent is too high.
Joshua Bardwell Thanks Joshua I should have mentioned this is happening on my Walkera 215 it's one tough quad in my opinion. Thanks for all you do explaining do's and don't' 👍
I see all these guys saying to just disarm before you touch down which works ok (Especially if you disable disarm at any throttle, then it disarms as soon as you touch the ground) But why don't you just put air-mode on a switch? And that way you can turn on motor stop and when you activate air mode it automatically idles up. That way you can first of all land easier and second you can fly without idle up if you want to.
I don't think running with motor_stop enabled is safe.
I want air mode on all the time. I don't want to give myself the extra step of activating it. It doesn't make a problem for me.