I'm really excited for the Sire P5 in mild green. Fairly hard to find a 5 string P bass with the build quality sire has without spending quite a bit of $. It'd be really cool if you could do a review of that one once it's released.
A great comparison, as usual. The Gen 2 sounded as though it had more output - though this may be just a bias towards the lower frequencies. It's hard to account for this if the pickups are identical, the vol & tone settings are the same, and the outboard gear settings are constant. I wouldn't expect the fretboard wood to make such a noticeable difference. Perhaps the preamp has been tweaked a little? On a different note, i was struck by how different the saddle positions are on two basses that have the same scale length and the same type of new strings. It's not a subtle difference.
Thanks Paul! I believe I intonated the Gen 2 (did a lot more to it - EMG swap) but didn't touch the bridge on the Gen 1. They sounded close enough on video, but I am not going to claim that the Gen 1 is intonated to its fullest potential heh
I'm guessing the gen 1 has a bit more "zing" because of the maple fret board. Based on the extra zing and the looks I'd probably lean towards the gen 1 compared to your gen 2 example, unless the rolled fret edges make a significant difference in comfort. Buying new I'd probably try to find a gen 2 with a similar finish and maple board.
Love that Donnie Bennet shirt!! He is so funky and live his music!! You know what time it is!!! You Rock the coolest tee shirts!!!!!! I went to a Khruangbin show last week a wore a Parliament Funkadelic Maggot Brain with Free Your Minds and Your Ass will follow! I had so many people wanting to but a tee shirt!!!! Great video and yo bass feel is crazy!!!
@@LowEndLobster what yo know about them? i didn’t know who they was at first but I had the time of my life!!!!! The girl that plays bass was playing all of the bass line we love! Her tone and feel was unreal!!!! Can’t wait to see them again!!! Just 3 cats on stage!!!!! 2 disco balls!!!!!
Another cool video. However, you mentioned that they have identical pickups, preamps, knobs, pots, tuners, nut, bridge, fret material, but don't identify what they are. I'm assuming that you go through all the part and component specs in a different video, but it would be useful information here, definitely.
The Gen1 tone seems more refined. Gen2 more throaty. Both would work for me although I’d give the edge to the Gen1. Just my personal preference. And I like the trans teal more than “metal” black.
Those M2s definitely have a fat sound to them. I have actually considered a five string version recently as there’s a huge backorder on the M5 and M7 versions. For now, I’ll keep enjoying my M7 Gen 2. I’d get a Gen 2 M2 5 String in that teal if I could. Great review as always!
it's nice when they give you a 35" scale on a 5. Every instrument with a battery needs the airplane ashtrays on the back ;-) I need to build a rechargeable battery module that slaps into the same route as those battery boxes but it also comes with a stand or attachment for the stand that keeps your bass charged up when its not in use. :-)
all I noticed could easily be accounted for by finger tone and manufacturing variations. Good basses, good prices, you said before you've been talking with Kyle Kim, start up conversations with people like Lollar or Gallen-Kruger, there are a lot of people (I didn't know there was even a GK family of humans) still creating products and new content. I bet Trev Wilkinson would chat with you too, and if you mention that several people on your channel have been complaining that you haven't demo'd the geddy and jaco models of Vintage maybe he'll at least send a couple loaners/demo models over. People really like seeing the people behind the innovations and hearing the stories of how stuff came to be. On a moderately unrelated note - I snagged some Mitchell TB500 pickups off Reverb for 50 bucks, a whole PJ set with fatty pole pieces. :-) Along with the white gold nylon tapes, that Unity is going to fucken tear shit up. I can feel it. Those pickups are kind of heavy for your average PJ set, or seemingly so, and it's a passive bass so the heft and girth matters, might need some cap tweaks but meh I need to get a feel for that anyhow. I'll have to start weighing things I guess. I also have a feeling those tapes are going to be indestructible, and I'm kind of a shithole to my gear most of the time so we'll see about that...there are people who have nylon labella tapes that are ancient and still sound badass with zero corrosion. I can see someone leaving those on until they break - as long as they don't oxidize, the tone should be stable because metal just doesn't wear out that fast on its own. We'll see how they hold up to a 1.5mm tortex gator grip pick. I'm kind of nervous about that but honestly? They're not expensive. No, really. I hope they work though. I like using parts that remove variability from operation and effort from maintenance.
Two beautiful basses ! Like so much!,but not preamp stock !fragile ,short life! Good tone low price,maple scale so bright, perfect to funk slaps!!rosewood i like in pop ballads ! Cheers from Brasil,lobster. Friend !peace ! Ha !!!!! What movie is this shirt you ?dont remember now!
@@LowEndLobster ,Sorry !!! Is not a movie! Putz Man !this Man have faces of actor !!! I love your shirts of cats! I see your cats on Instagram today !!!! Love cats ever.
To my eyes the shape of the gen 2 body seems subtly different. Is this true or is it the camera position and colour making it seem so? They sound similar, though the gen 2 seems a touch brighter. Thanks for the comparison.
Hey Lobster, would you Consider comparing one of your Stingray HHs with one of your Bongo HHs? I'm considering selling my Stingray 5 HH and Spector Euro LX 5 to fund a BFR Bongo, either the mahogany one or the new white and gold one, you make some of the best in depth comparison vids and I have yet to find a video comparing these two basses. I've only ever held a bongo but never played one plugged in.
Hey Lobster are the pickups the main difference between the M5 and M2 ? Most of my basses are J and P basses I'd like to get a designated Slapper (trainer bass, I am to slap as you are to pick 😊). Would this be a good bass for slap or what would be better in a lower price range.
There must be something wrong with my ears because I thought the 2nd gen sounded WAY better. It had more depth to the tone and was brighter and clearer while the 1st gen sounded like it had a blanket over it. Definitely thought the 2nd gen had more zing. Maybe I'm going more deaf than I thought from having a brass section blowing my ears off for my whole life
I have the teal colored one and I do agree with your observation. The maple version of this sounded less defined as compared to the rosewood fretboard especially for fingerstyle. However, I do prefer the maple version for slap playing.
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I'm really excited for the Sire P5 in mild green. Fairly hard to find a 5 string P bass with the build quality sire has without spending quite a bit of $. It'd be really cool if you could do a review of that one once it's released.
I plan on it!
Quality content as always!
Have a great weekend, my low end friend!
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Tanks for this review. Very informative 👍
A great comparison, as usual. The Gen 2 sounded as though it had more output - though this may be just a bias towards the lower frequencies. It's hard to account for this if the pickups are identical, the vol & tone settings are the same, and the outboard gear settings are constant. I wouldn't expect the fretboard wood to make such a noticeable difference. Perhaps the preamp has been tweaked a little?
On a different note, i was struck by how different the saddle positions are on two basses that have the same scale length and the same type of new strings. It's not a subtle difference.
Thanks Paul! I believe I intonated the Gen 2 (did a lot more to it - EMG swap) but didn't touch the bridge on the Gen 1. They sounded close enough on video, but I am not going to claim that the Gen 1 is intonated to its fullest potential heh
On looks alone, the Gen 1 (I realise they probably come in different colors). However, the sound of the Gen 2 seems so much fuller.
I'm guessing the gen 1 has a bit more "zing" because of the maple fret board. Based on the extra zing and the looks I'd probably lean towards the gen 1 compared to your gen 2 example, unless the rolled fret edges make a significant difference in comfort. Buying new I'd probably try to find a gen 2 with a similar finish and maple board.
You can get the gen 2 in trans teal blue with a maple fretboard, it's denoted as TBL.
Gen 2 sound a little more, is that a volume issue or a pickup and preamp thing?
What are those inlays in the maple one? Did you mod it, or are they stock
Great question. They're stickers that Bully installed
@@LowEndLobster thanks 🦞 💕
😊sir, what equipment are you using during the review?
Lobster do you like Sandberg bass from Brunswick Germany. I come from that area just learned about these bass a year ago or so.
I'm going to be checking one out soon!
Love that Donnie Bennet shirt!! He is so funky and live his music!! You know what time it is!!! You Rock the coolest tee shirts!!!!!! I went to a Khruangbin show last week a wore a Parliament Funkadelic Maggot Brain with Free Your Minds and Your Ass will follow! I had so many people wanting to but a tee shirt!!!! Great video and yo bass feel is crazy!!!
So jealous that you got to see Khruangbin!
@@LowEndLobster what yo know about them? i didn’t know who they was at first but I had the time of my life!!!!! The girl that plays bass was playing all of the bass line we love! Her tone and feel was unreal!!!! Can’t wait to see them again!!! Just 3 cats on stage!!!!! 2 disco balls!!!!!
Hey thank great information about these I have m2 gen 5st do you know if any replacement pickup will fit with out any modifications
Another cool video. However, you mentioned that they have identical pickups, preamps, knobs, pots, tuners, nut, bridge, fret material, but don't identify what they are. I'm assuming that you go through all the part and component specs in a different video, but it would be useful information here, definitely.
Gen 1 had more zing but gen 2 seemed to have better output and a touch more mid range clarity.
A very good Review , thanks.
Ive love sure for a while now no matter what the marcus miller basses and these are the best.
Muchas gracias, muy útil este video!! Estoy pensando en comprar un M2 de primera generación 😁💪
Hola, en dónde piensas comprarlo?
@@deimosvega Hola Diego en mi país(Hondutas) alguien esta vendiendo uno!!!
I had the chance to try one gen1 and I think it is a pretty decent instrument. Great video
Great stuff. Thank you for sharing. Cheers
the gen 1 sounds with less body or presence, gen 2 being the opposite feels with a richer tone and more oomph to its tone
Would be great if you can do a review on Fender Player Plus Precision Bass
Great video as usual. I like the m5 and 7 look. Off topic what do you think about hagstrom super Swede. Looking at one.
Subtle tonal differences ?
Because of neck materials ?
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The Gen1 tone seems more refined. Gen2 more throaty. Both would work for me although I’d give the edge to the Gen1. Just my personal preference. And I like the trans teal more than “metal” black.
I like gen two a little more because it looks more metal. But gen one looks pretty cool to.
Those M2s definitely have a fat sound to them. I have actually considered a five string version recently as there’s a huge backorder on the M5 and M7 versions. For now, I’ll keep enjoying my M7 Gen 2.
I’d get a Gen 2 M2 5 String in that teal if I could. Great review as always!
it's nice when they give you a 35" scale on a 5.
Every instrument with a battery needs the airplane ashtrays on the back ;-)
I need to build a rechargeable battery module that slaps into the same route as those battery boxes but it also comes with a stand or attachment for the stand that keeps your bass charged up when its not in use. :-)
all I noticed could easily be accounted for by finger tone and manufacturing variations.
Good basses, good prices, you said before you've been talking with Kyle Kim, start up conversations with people like Lollar or Gallen-Kruger, there are a lot of people (I didn't know there was even a GK family of humans) still creating products and new content. I bet Trev Wilkinson would chat with you too, and if you mention that several people on your channel have been complaining that you haven't demo'd the geddy and jaco models of Vintage maybe he'll at least send a couple loaners/demo models over.
People really like seeing the people behind the innovations and hearing the stories of how stuff came to be.
On a moderately unrelated note - I snagged some Mitchell TB500 pickups off Reverb for 50 bucks, a whole PJ set with fatty pole pieces. :-)
Along with the white gold nylon tapes, that Unity is going to fucken tear shit up. I can feel it. Those pickups are kind of heavy for your average PJ set, or seemingly so, and it's a passive bass so the heft and girth matters, might need some cap tweaks but meh I need to get a feel for that anyhow.
I'll have to start weighing things I guess. I also have a feeling those tapes are going to be indestructible, and I'm kind of a shithole to my gear most of the time so we'll see about that...there are people who have nylon labella tapes that are ancient and still sound badass with zero corrosion. I can see someone leaving those on until they break - as long as they don't oxidize, the tone should be stable because metal just doesn't wear out that fast on its own.
We'll see how they hold up to a 1.5mm tortex gator grip pick. I'm kind of nervous about that but honestly?
They're not expensive. No, really. I hope they work though. I like using parts that remove variability from operation and effort from maintenance.
What do you think about the difference between the M7 v1 and v2?
I think it would be largely similar, with the rolled edges being the biggest difference.
Donny Benet - Mr Experience - is a great album : ))
Absolutely!
Two beautiful basses ! Like so much!,but not preamp stock !fragile ,short life! Good tone low price,maple scale so bright, perfect to funk slaps!!rosewood i like in pop ballads ! Cheers from Brasil,lobster. Friend !peace ! Ha !!!!! What movie is this shirt you ?dont remember now!
Thank you my friend! The shirt is a music album- Mr. Experience by Donny Benet. It's one of my favorites!
@@LowEndLobster ,Sorry !!! Is not a movie! Putz Man !this Man have faces of actor !!! I love your shirts of cats! I see your cats on Instagram today !!!! Love cats ever.
To my eyes the shape of the gen 2 body seems subtly different. Is this true or is it the camera position and colour making it seem so? They sound similar, though the gen 2 seems a touch brighter. Thanks for the comparison.
Now that I see them in reversed positions, they do look the same.
As i know the 2nd gen also has that blue colour too
Hey Lobster, would you Consider comparing one of your Stingray HHs with one of your Bongo HHs? I'm considering selling my Stingray 5 HH and Spector Euro LX 5 to fund a BFR Bongo, either the mahogany one or the new white and gold one, you make some of the best in depth comparison vids and I have yet to find a video comparing these two basses. I've only ever held a bongo but never played one plugged in.
I have seen a few reviews of the battery doors breaking on the Gen 1’s and people having to duct tape to hold it on.
All battery doors break, even the airplane ashtray ones. But literally every plastic one I have either comes pre broken or breaks pretty soon.
Hey Lobster are the pickups the main difference between the M5 and M2 ?
Most of my basses are J and P basses I'd like to get a designated Slapper (trainer bass, I am to slap as you are to pick 😊).
Would this be a good bass for slap or what would be better in a lower price range.
You should be able to slap on all basses, especially on your Js (see Marcus Miller). You don't need to buy a special bass ;)
Ohhhh yeahhhh
Hello I'm from Bolivia... My english is bad :/... A comparison between the m5 and the m7 please... Thanks
Same thing only top wood different
@@kirillukin2222 The sound is much better? Or for the added price it's not worth it

The sound of the m5 and m7 is exactly the same
@@kirillukin2222 thank you bro
It's a shame M2 doesn't have pickup selectors, which is the best feature of Sire M series.
Indeed, I think that's how they differentiate the lower tier from the higher. The M5 and M7 sound much better with the different pickups too
There must be something wrong with my ears because I thought the 2nd gen sounded WAY better. It had more depth to the tone and was brighter and clearer while the 1st gen sounded like it had a blanket over it. Definitely thought the 2nd gen had more zing. Maybe I'm going more deaf than I thought from having a brass section blowing my ears off for my whole life
Thanks Kazman!
I have the teal colored one and I do agree with your observation. The maple version of this sounded less defined as compared to the rosewood fretboard especially for fingerstyle. However, I do prefer the maple version for slap playing.
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