Even if we can agree that luke 16:19 is a parable, still the parable teaches us that there’s life after death and those who rejected the gospel on earth are eternally separated from God and they are in a place of torment. You can’t be so bias
@phindamavuso2786 Exactly.I don't get the foolishness from these supposed teachers of the word, especially pastor Mgobhozi.I didn't expect this from him.If there's no literal fiery hell,then why did Jesus Christ suffered so much physical pain and crucifixion also,if it weren't for salvation of souls? What need is there for soul winning if there's no hell awaiting unbelievers?Why did Jesus then about avoiding going to hell, even if it meant plucking your own eye, cutting off your hand,or chopping your leg(Mark 9vs43-48)? What bible are these guys reading? And I'm not surprised that the King James bible gets the most criticism regarding this unpleasant doctrine.But the King James bible happens to be the most accurate english bible of them all, while the other english versions are littered with errors and thousands of word omissions.The New International Version, for example,is said to have a total of 64 098 words omitted.Just think about that.
“Shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might” (2 Thessalonians 1:9) “‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.’” (Matthew 25:41) “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.” (Matthew 25:46)
The problem here Slee is people studying God instead of listening to His Word. There are a lot of interpretations as we speak, some believe in exegetical interpretation of the Bible while others believe in eisegesis
@SleeMhize Baze babheda bo,lezizinceku zikaNkulunkulu, the supposed teachers of the word.Izulu,yebo likhona;kepha uma isihogo singekho,uJesu Kristu wezelani emhlabeni,athwale ubunzima,nezinhlungu ezingakayana,aze abethelwe na?Sikephi isidingo sokufaza,nokushumayeza abantu ngo Jesu pho?And angikho surprised ukuthi i-King James bible iyona ezogxekwa kulokhu,kanti lela bhayibheli, it's the most accurate english bible of them all.
Ps Zweli , May I kindly request that in other engagements can you bring man of God who did not go to Bible school, ngathi lento seyagezeka manje.Siyabonga in their passion to study the word kodwa sesiqela from the spiritual teachers.
Yhoo..people are confusing themselves yazii..Awuno yela nto ka Thixo eSkolweni.You get the wisdom and knowledge from God If you are chosen to the work of God. THOSE TEACHERS WHO WENT FROM SCHOOL TO STUDY THE WORD OF GOD-THEY WANT TO USE THE WORD OF GOD AS THE BUSINESS THATS WHY ETVIN KUNGCWELE ITEACHERS EZI TEACHERS PROSPERITY HAII.THEY DON'T TEACH ON HOW TO LIVE HOLY
Maybe I'm too slow, but I really didn't understand what these pastors are saying. I thought heaven is a place where God is and where Jesus went and where he will take us who believe to when he comes back, and hell is simply a place that is eternally absent of God. These two places obviously are not physical and one has to die physically first and it is the spirit that either goes to heaven or hell. I really don't think this matter is as complicated as these guys make it out to be. I mean even after an hour and ten minutes I still did not understand what they were saying exactly 🤔
We didn't get anything from this conversation. The panelists had disagreements but tried to be a team and this showed that they were afraid of each other. The question was left unanswered.
The problem we facing now is the result of a bible being translated from Hebrew to Greek, to Italian, English ect. Now I understand why President Zuma proposed that we have to get a translation straight from Hebrew.
We keep on learning saints thank u very much but once again heaven n hell is real n the Bible is clear abt them... Siyabonga for preparing us on time for the false teaching that the Bible told us abt... Thank apostle rathebe for pausing a challenge
Pastors that say there is no hell, means there is no heaven and there is no devil or God. Psalms 14:1 "The fool says in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds, there is none who does good."
Chaa Siba Luke 16:19 down (The story of Lazarus and a rich man is not a parable.) They must double check that one ... There is Hell and there is Heaven
Lazarus is Jesus Dogs are Gentiles Rich man is Israel(could be leaders) Abraham- according to the Jews a son is placed on the chest but a servant sees the back(like Moses)
Yes it is not a parable - this scripture is as clear as day even to the simplest bible reader. Problems arise when people approach scripture with preconceptions (False Maturity) rather than a teachable spirit.
Sibal'khulu 🙌😔 Your penalists must not try to re-write the Holy Bible, infact they must admit that they are themselves misinformed about this Subject. Below are the verses which prove to us that indeed HELL Is Real: “For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment …” (2 Peter 2:4) “Let death seize them; let them go down alive into hell, for wickedness is in their dwellings and among them.” (Psalm 55:15) “Her house is the way to hell, descending to the chambers of death.”(Proverbs 7:27) “They do not lie with the mighty who are fallen of the uncircumcised, who go down to hell with their weapons of war; they have laid their swords under their heads but their iniquities will be on their bones, because of the terror of the mighty in the land of the living.” (Ezekiel 32:27) “Therefore Sheol has enlarged itself and opened its mouth beyond measure; their glory and their multitude and their pomp, and he who is jubilant, shall descend into it. People shall be brought down, each man humbled, and the eyes of the lofty shall be humbled.” (Isaiah 5:14-15) “… then I will bring you down with those who descend into the Pit, to the people of old, and I will make you dwell in the lowest part of the earth, in places desolate from antiquity, with those who go down to the Pit, so that you may never be inhabited; and I shall establish glory in the land of the living. ‘I will make you a terror, and you shall be no more; though you are sought for, you will never be found again,’ says the Lord God. (Ezekiel 26:20-21) “But if the Lord creates a new thing, and the earth opens its mouth and swallows them up with all that belongs to them, and they go down alive in to the pit, then you will understand that these men rejected the Lord. Then it came to pass, as he finished speaking all these words, that the ground split apart under them, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed them up … So they and all those with them went down alive in the pit; the earth closed over them, and they perished from among the congregation.” (Numbers 16:30-33) “Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol, to the lowest depths of the Pit.” (Isaiah 14:15) “For Sheol cannot thank You, death cannot praise You; Those who go down to the pit cannot hope for Your truth.” (Isaiah 38:18) “… Deliver him from going down to the Pit … He will redeem his soul from going dow to the Pit, and his life shall see the light.” (Job 33:24,28) “Let us swallow them alive like Sheol, and whole, like those who go down to the Pit…” (Proverbs 1:12) “But those who seek my life, to destroy it, shall go into the lower parts of the earth.” (Psalm 63:9)
This really breaks my heart, all these pastors agree that there’s no hell😩 what’s the need for judgment then? Luke 16:19 ? Why Jesus had to die a painful death? Matt 25:41 then He will say to those on his left, depart from me, you who are cursed, into the “eternal fire” prepared for the devil and his angels. Yes there was no hell in the beginning until the fall of lucifer. It’s better to enter heaven with missing body parts than to be thrown to hell fire with all your body parts. Please don’t be misled, hell is real. You can search on UA-cam countless people who were lucky to be taken to that place
Don't worry at the end of the day, scripture stands. They can run round about simple bible understanding with lofty and farfetched interpretations, at the end there are overwhelmingly many bible verses to support truth that hell is real. Finally, I believe there's a hell because my Lord Jesus taught us there's a hell.
True and the word salvation means rescue or save, So if they say there is no hell they imply that there is no need for salvation and that is huge era from the panelists. Jesus was a hell fire preacher by the way the whole message of the of the gospel is to save people from hell. Jesus came to save us from hell, period. That is why Jesus told the story in Luke 16v19 of the rich man and Lazarus was to emphasize that hell ( The place of torment, fire and conscious punishment) is real.
@@gujwagagu3002Very well said.I wholeheartedly agree with you.I also want to add that the story of the rich and Lazarus exactly does paint a picture of the need as believers to preach the gospel to unbelievers.If you read that story, the rich man actually begs Abraham to send Lazarus to preach to his five brothers, in order not to enter that place of torment.Now, that's our responsibility as believers to preach the gospel to as many people as people.That is very important.
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 2 Peter 2:1-4 read the whole chapter
@kwenakwena4928 I know that scripture, and yes, there is a literal hell, and it awaits unbelievers, and those that teach false doctrine are also in danger of go there as well.
Address these scriptures Do Not take away or Add to God's word. Rev 20:15 "Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire." This is grieving, scripture are back and white on this subject matter. In fact Jesus made it abundantly clearly.
and for some reason they did say this was about the judgement that was coming to the nation of Israel , the baptism of fire which even John did predict and Malachi touched on. it is so said you'll want the bible to speak in isolation. the books of the bible are complementary. like it or not. if you believe in the Word of God the only fear you would be left with is the fear of God not hell. you exalt hell more than Christ that is why you want pastors who will do the same. even God the Father sought to be glorified in the Son not in hell. the Son said that he did in John 17. watch you don't exalt topics over the main Looking to Jesus the author and perfecter of our faith. Christ should be the centre and Is the centre of the Bible message.
@Mr ZTile Exactly.That verse you just quoted,is very definitely one of the most heartbreaking verses in the entire bible, and a lot of people are going to be cast into the lake of fire, and that false teachers,as spoken of in 2nd Peter 2.
Mmmm wow this show always lieve us amazed and inspired to understand scriptures Mark 9 vs 43 & 44 uJesu uyena okhuluma ngesihogo plz Ps Dlamini mabebuya abagcotshwa sicela basichazele lana uJesu wayephaphalaza yini kulamavesi.
They talk about evolution of language in the translation of words which is true, but I would like to argue that the first argument is not phrased well from them, saying there's no hell, which they were suppose to say there's no word in the Bible original text that it's origin is hell, the first claim has been lost making the whole argument invalid although the premises are valid. Now the word hell encompasses all the places/situations of torment mentioned in the Bible whether the person is dead or alive. I love theology but my problem with people who learn it is that they become very much like the scribes,phareeses who studied the law without revelation. If we were to unpack everything even from the formation of the Bible and why certain valid books were rejected when they contained so much revelation,.e.g book of Enoch You will get wonder and question many things. But we have the Holy spirit who lead us to all truth. I can't wait to listen more on this topic. Knowing
Greetings, Its my first time commenting in your videos, I think it will be a bit early to express a view on this subject till such time it is properly unpack because we must first deal with the original text and meaning, and consider the evolving of the usage of words and also the cross referencing Bible verses ; I think at that point we can possibly understand and interpret and conclude on this topic. I am looking forward to the next episode. I foresee this topic taking longer than others, overall I cannot wait to watch the next episode. Regards
Thanks for the teaching, my question is if the bible translated in a wrong way, is these guys teaching right? If yes who touch them? Holy spirit or a men? Or it's how they think? As Christian we believe in Christ Jesus and we follow His ways.
Ukufunda kakhulu kuyahlupha.. there is hell fire.. if there is no hell this 3 men suggest that Jesus went to the cross for nothing.. in addition if there is no hell we should live Christianity and keep on sinning like every because there is no hell
These three men ,talk on base of human understanding , their human understand of what they went to bible college for, My question to them is that after all what they have got from college but what is the Spirit of God says to them ?
U make me feel like I have never studied the Bible before, according what you're saying, most of us normal Christians who didn't go to Bible school we are lost & we know nothing about God🤔🤔
Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:11-15 NKJV
God is the Spirit ,nalabo absmkhonzayo abamkhonze ngomoya nangeqiniso. bazalwane asikwazi ukuchaza nkulunkulu nge knowledge ,information oyithole bible college, bazalwane khumbulani ukuthi abantu abakhaphela Jesu abantu ababefundile kskhulu ngebhayibheli, bebizwa ngezazi umthetho.these three men need grace of God , need Jesus Christ in their lives.uyamuzwa lomunye uthi wambiwa bani lowomgodi owawumba waphuma kanjani kuwo, uyabona ukuthi lababantu babathathu abakaze basindiswe abamazi nhlobo Jesu ,bachaza izinto zikankulunkulu nge human understanding.. If loluhlelo olweqiniso ngonkulunkulu ,bobathathu lababantu akumele bsphinde bakhulume kuloluhlelo.
Why did Christ beg us to even pluck our yes and chop off our hands rather than being thrown into hell to a place of unquenchable fire. where the worm never dies
Iqiniso liyovela sekubuya ujesu bafethu asiyeke, but I miss NJ Sthole that was a man of God bazovukake abanye beqiniso abazohamba emandleni 2×, NIZOBONA. ujesu uthi ngikufihlile kwabahlakaniphile ngakumbulela iziwula.
And what is more fascinating is the fact that out of the 2.38 billion christians globally, 1.2 billion is Roman Catholic which mean if they can stand alone as a religion, Christianity will be the second largest.
People only want to be told what they want to hear… Not everything in the Bible is true, but ☝🏾 the bible is a book of Truth that has been tampered with. Let’s allow the Holy Spirit to help us unlearn some of the false teachings and make room for the Truth.. great conversation ♥️‼️
Nokufunda ungaqondi kunobungozi. UNkulunkulu wathi kuPhillip ikhona indoda ezansi efundayo kodwa iyakuqonda na lokhu efundayo. Attending these Bible schools helps one not if they're r not connected to the Holy Spirit. Abagcotshwa laba sesobona uma sifika eZulwini ukuthi bakhona na mebengekho iyobuzwa phezu kwabo ke lemiphefumulo abayedukisayo. @Apostle Rathebe ngiyadumala engabe kuNtshukumo uzovela yini ngale doctrine or uya ngendawo okuyona bese ukhulumisa okwalabo....uma ubanda banda uma ushisa shisa ungabi ndikindiki.
Please address this scripture, I worry when the plain simplicty of scripture is missed for lofty theological diddles. Hell is real, eternal separation is real please revise your theology on this particular subject, you sound like Jehovah Witnesses with your over complicating of simple bible truths. If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched- where ‘Their worm does not die And the fire is not quenched.’ And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched- where ‘Their worm does not die, And the fire is not quenched.’ And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire- where ‘Their worm does not die And the fire is not quenched.’ [Mark 9:43-48 NKJV]
Hell is real Saints, the fact that it is real does not undermine the finished work of the cross. The fact the lake of fire or eternal separation from God is real does not diminish God's Love. God has provided a way of escape Jesus Christ. Please go to the bible again and hear what the Lord is saying about hell, some may become lukewarm in evangelization because of those who do not spiritually discern word.
Greetings and Thank you so much Servants of GOD, hearing of such disagreements to agreements reminds Me why the LORD said, the Manifestation of the Glory of GOD in the Great Revival will be through the unknown, the living depending on the Prophetic Words by the late, so " NO MAN WILL SAY I TOLD YOU SO". Kuyozwakala kahle ngelinye ilanga.
How can luke 16:19 be a parable ??? Whenever Jesus gave a parable he would say a certain man not mention names, here there’s Lazarus, Abraham, real people it can’t be a parable
Lazarus is Jesus Dogs are Gentiles Rich man is Israel(could be leaders) Abraham- according to the Jews a son is placed on the chest but a servant sees the back(like Moses)
Greetings Man of God .... I would like to oppose this questions to all the man of God present in the studio Why are we christians?what do we want in Christianity? Why do we have to be saved? What is the mandate behind all the work we are doing? By answering this questions The Question of heaven or hell will be answered
Kudlaliwe ngathi lapha, sometimes when people study to unearth what is no there and they try to create it to be. If he questions who will dug the hell he must question the creation itself, if the Creator got tired. If God created the earth and heaven through the word, what would make it difficult for the Creator to make the hell to exist? Yeshua rebuke the then-teachers of the the Law (Pharisees and Sadducees) because they twist the scripture. Shalom
To add on kn tha brother: education at some point becomes a tool to mould assets. Look at the so called scholars in our country, how they are used to endose naratives and not stand with the truth. It seems the same is happening in Christianity, the panelists choose to stick to what may have been discussed and agreed on in a convention somewhere instead of seeking God's scripture- based revelation on this.
should have been DISCUSSION for scholars only!!! respectfully. all am hearing is a show off that they each know words in different interpretation. Thank you Apostol Radebe for trying to explain sadly we are left more confused , also still not getting answered based on the topic at hand,
What did Christ save us from? why did he save us if the is no eternal fire? What is the punishment for people who did not receive Christ as their Lord and Savior? Why did Christ taught his disciples to say when you pray you must say our father who art in heaven if the is no heaven? Nglunge ngat kuts sihhogo nelizulu kukhona
Why would God send his only begotten Son to die if there’s no hell? Mark 9:48 the worms that eat them never die, and the fire is not quenched. Rev 20:15 and whosoever was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire! Countless times by the grace of God I’ve been taken to the place where people burn, it’s not just something I only read. Believe it or not Hell is real and so is Heaven. The great evengelist Reinghard Bonnke, came all the way from Germany and main message was about salvation and hell fire and we saw signs and wonders. Bible school can be very very dangerous sometimes
Not even sometimes it's completely dangerous coz we only need the WORD from Almighty Above and if we can check Jonh7:15 n Acts 4:13 they weren't academical educated but educated through HolySpirit.
@@NtusiNation exactly, and the way these guys are so confident they are so sure they are teaching the right thing. I think it would be good forPs Zweli to also invite someone at least two with different thinking because these three they believe the same thing if you watch the previous power hours, even with God not hating divorce as if he likes it. Ecclesiastes 12:7 puts it vivid clear, when you die your flesh goes back to the ground and your spirit goes back to God who gave it. It. It also recorded its appointed unto man once to die then judgement. They don’t quote these verses
@@phindamavuso2786 that is why Paul said to the leaders of the church "beware of you and all the flock that Holy Spirit hath made you overseers to feed the church of God which He had purchased by His Own blood" Acts20:28 and to the Galatians1:11-12 said "The Gospel that I am preaching is not from any man but by the revelation of Jesus Christ"....uThixo makancede iinkokheli zebandla lakhe zishumayele okwentando yakhe hayi ngokwemfundo yazo kuba lilixa lokugqibela eli ixesha liphelile.
2 Peter 1:20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. 2 Peter 1:21 For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit. Greetings to all the saints. I think it is high time we lean and depend on the Holy Spirit for bible intepretation. Knowledge has become our greatest enemy. I hear where you are coming from Apostle Rathebe.
They are picking and choosing the verses that will approve their points. Hell is there in the Bible in both OT and NT. Jesus spoke about it in many verses, that I can provide at any time when someone ask me to do so... Actually there are 5 words that are been used to describe HELL in the Bible. Which are ABADDON, AFTERLIFE, GEHENNA, HADES AND SHEOL. I can quote then from the Bible from OT and NT
@vusiematwa1233 Exactly, but Mgobhozi and Giyane, the supposed teachers of the word are talking nonsense about the non-existence of hell.Jesus Christ did preach and warn about hell, and Apostle Peter even urged believers to be found in right standing with God till the end of time (in 2nd Peter 3).In the preceding verses,he had spoken about a fire awaiting ungodly people.
We have tomuch questions to ask about this topic. Can guys engage us as well. The way l am hearing this it seems like 1) there are no Consequences of any evil behavior 2) is there any need for someone to choose. Between the narrow and broad the way Jesus spoke about. If there is no punishment. Why are these pastors busy preaching because God saw it fit for us to do what ever we want to do.
Yazi God made it so simple and straight forward to understand John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.. God made so easy that even a gogo or small child uneducated person to understand the Good News... Why if God wanted all of us ukuthi silidle ifa Lombuso wakhe why would He make it so complicated as u making it Pastors.. Brethrens read the word and pray that the Holy Spirit interpret it. All this different theories and doctrine and scholars will mislead and confuse u.
God bless you man of God. Once you put your theology to the word of God. This is a if didn't go to school of theology you will never understand this no bazalwane you are very very wrong. I wish I can have a chance to talk to you
Yabona the way Siba ended this episode im not happy there are lives at stake here and the people are getting confused and others just lost hope. Life matters more than time i still got questions but i will look for answers myself because i was left with a big fat question mark about the story of Lazaros and the rich man. And i agree with them when they say there is no hell that is known today and satan being the king of hell and all those myths of scaring people. That kind of hell was created by One of the Popes in the olden days i believe 13 to 1400 where he ordered an artist to paint a pic od hell where satan and his demons were devouring people putting them to fire and then on the same pic theres heaven and jesus next to God and so on. That kind of hell was created bythe roman catholic church but not the bible. Now since we dont have enough resources to study they need to clarify the Matt 25 where it says"....will be cast in the eternal fire created for devil and his angels" and also must clarify the passage of Lazarus and rich man and also revelations and the day Chirst deny those who deny him on judgement day and what or when was judgement day of everyone not just jews because i know that one
It's amazing just how many people believe the reason Jesus came to earth was to save them from God...that's correct, FROM GOD! Of course, they don't normally put it that way! Usually, they say, "Jesus came to save us from going to Hell." But any deep dive into their beliefs usually results in their confessing God is almighty and, therefore, is in charge of everything that happens--God, they believe, is the direct cause of all things that occur or, at a minimum, he permits all things to happen that he does not directly cause, all the while he has the power to intervene, but chooses not to! So, if there is a Hell and, let's say, there is such a thing as people "choosing" to go there (which is, by the way, ludicrous on its face) surely a good God would, at least, turn the flames of Hell off! Or a good God would, at least, make it so the bodies of those who leap into the Lake of Fire of their own free choice (again, ludicrous) are able to die, as they would when a person on earth is burned to death, reducing their time of suffering to only a minute or two at the most, horrific as that would be! Interestingly, Jesus himself was faced with a situation (in Luke 9:51-56) where his own disciples wanted God to burn an entire village of people to death for some infraction one of their hotel keepers made, and Jesus rebuked them, telling them their idea had been spawned by the devil himself! So, if Jesus thought the idea of burning people alive for just a few horrific minutes was devil-inspired, imagine what he would say to anyone today who is suggesting God plans to burn people alive for eternity! Rick Lannoye, author of Hell? No! Why You Can Be Certain There Is No Such Place As Hell
Inkinga nikhuluma ngama scholars but utsini Nkulunkulu, utsini moya longcwele noma naye you will end up nitsi there is no God nor heaven😢😢😢😢😢😢Lord help up
Spiritual and physical are two form of existences that are not the same, the Bible illustrated visions of God sitting in a throne, rivers, fires and lighting. And when God instructed Moses to created the ark of the covenant He said those things represent what is in heaven. Meaning in the spirit they are physical objects that can only interact with spiritual bodies, if God is spirit, that means he is physical in the realm of the spirit. We simple mean we can't see those things because our physical nature on the real inhibit us to do so. There's a divine law placed these dimensions that in order to interact there you must have the body of that dimension. That why we see angels coming to earth as men .
Yaz I'm afraid even some pastor who leads us may go to hell they deny that hell exists 😳... Lazarus story, mark 9:47... Matt 5:22... hell is real so is heaven
Brother Gobhoza you speak about kemet you have information that you not sharing please enlighten the Brothers , we are still getting lost share the information
They are all lost however I'm not surprise because they are captured by the religious system. Manje iskhath sika Moyongcwele umnikaz webandla, these people basindwa ilama titles abazinika wona that is why bengeke bahlwithwe ku first fruits harvest ( 1Rapture) asazi kweyesibili bazokwazi yini ukumela ama tribulations. Uma ufuna ukuba sembuswen ka Nkulunkulu 1 Rapture buka the Narrow Gate channel with Sister Musandiwa uzofunda okuningi
This topic has not been delt with thorough. So many questions left unanswered. Apostle Rathebe you tried to bring other panelists to get to the head of the question but keep diving and dacking. I hope next time you will come back with a clear and simple conclusion. Remember this is meant to equip Saints who are simple and loving the Lord. NEVER YOU FORGET YOUR AUDIENCE AS YOU CONTINUE TO INTERROGATE THE SCRIPTURES. (THE PRIMARY PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO EQUIPTHE CHURCH NOT FOR THEOLOGIANS. )
Siba, 1 hour is not enough for this topic because there are different topics embedded here... Ababuye abafundisi bashaye I-series yalengxoxo otherwise sizolahleka singababukeli nabafundi bezwi. I love the stance about creation, the state of the dead, life after death, the resurrection and so forth... Kodwa I need abafundisi to dig deep and dissect ingxoxo kaLucifer vs Satan, the lake of fire and where God lives nezingelosi ezimdumisa nathi zonke, the new heaven and the new earth. There's a lot of wisdom in the panelists kodwa let them teach us topic by topic and quote scripture kahle ukuze singadideki.
The priests thought they knew everything about God and the law, until they met Jesus Christ their theology changed, these pastors in this show have the same mentality of the old priests, surely nothing new under the sun. Hopefully oneday they will repent.
I'm content with most interpretation presented by the panelists of how the different terms were misinterpreted to read as hell, just need more clarity regarding the lake of fire, I mean there a scripture that implies that death and hades was thrown into the lake of fire
Even if we can agree that luke 16:19 is a parable, still the parable teaches us that there’s life after death and those who rejected the gospel on earth are eternally separated from God and they are in a place of torment. You can’t be so bias
Definitely...the teaching of two places after death is very Clear in scripture
The Earth is Hell in the future. It gets hit by an asteroid and pushed toward the sun. Isaiah 13:13, 2 Peter 3, and Revelation 9.
@phindamavuso2786 Exactly.I don't get the foolishness from these supposed teachers of the word, especially pastor Mgobhozi.I didn't expect this from him.If there's no literal fiery hell,then why did Jesus Christ suffered so much physical pain and crucifixion also,if it weren't for salvation of souls? What need is there for soul winning if there's no hell awaiting unbelievers?Why did Jesus then about avoiding going to hell, even if it meant plucking your own eye, cutting off your hand,or chopping your leg(Mark 9vs43-48)? What bible are these guys reading?
And I'm not surprised that the King James bible gets the most criticism regarding this unpleasant doctrine.But the King James bible happens to be the most accurate english bible of them all, while the other english versions are littered with errors and thousands of word omissions.The New International Version, for example,is said to have a total of 64 098 words omitted.Just think about that.
Pastor Dlamini please get pastors who believe in the bible and Jesus, we cannot be taught by unbelievers the word of God
You believe in Jesus?😕
You call the Bible the word of God?
“Shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might” (2 Thessalonians 1:9)
“‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.’” (Matthew 25:41)
“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.” (Matthew 25:46)
Beautiful passage of scripture there
Ngaze ngadumala weh, izinto eniziphikayo encwadini engcwele🙆🏾♀️🙆🏾♀️🙆🏾♀️. May God help all those who are listening 🙌🏾
Hectic
Amen😔🇿🇦
The problem here Slee is people studying God instead of listening to His Word. There are a lot of interpretations as we speak, some believe in exegetical interpretation of the Bible while others believe in eisegesis
@SleeMhize Baze babheda bo,lezizinceku zikaNkulunkulu, the supposed teachers of the word.Izulu,yebo likhona;kepha uma isihogo singekho,uJesu Kristu wezelani emhlabeni,athwale ubunzima,nezinhlungu ezingakayana,aze abethelwe na?Sikephi isidingo sokufaza,nokushumayeza abantu ngo Jesu pho?And angikho surprised ukuthi i-King James bible iyona ezogxekwa kulokhu,kanti lela bhayibheli, it's the most accurate english bible of them all.
Ps Zweli , May I kindly request that in other engagements can you bring man of God who did not go to Bible school, ngathi lento seyagezeka manje.Siyabonga in their passion to study the word kodwa sesiqela from the spiritual teachers.
@Aletta Thabethe true
Yhoo..people are confusing themselves yazii..Awuno yela nto ka Thixo eSkolweni.You get the wisdom and knowledge from God If you are chosen to the work of God. THOSE TEACHERS WHO WENT FROM SCHOOL TO STUDY THE WORD OF GOD-THEY WANT TO USE THE WORD OF GOD AS THE BUSINESS THATS WHY ETVIN KUNGCWELE ITEACHERS EZI TEACHERS PROSPERITY HAII.THEY DON'T TEACH ON HOW TO LIVE HOLY
Maybe I'm too slow, but I really didn't understand what these pastors are saying.
I thought heaven is a place where God is and where Jesus went and where he will take us who believe to when he comes back, and hell is simply a place that is eternally absent of God. These two places obviously are not physical and one has to die physically first and it is the spirit that either goes to heaven or hell.
I really don't think this matter is as complicated as these guys make it out to be. I mean even after an hour and ten minutes I still did not understand what they were saying exactly 🤔
Apostle Ratebe your introduction was powerful. Thanks for taking us back to the scripture for the benefit of the simple lay people.
I like your wisdom Apostle Ratebe.
We didn't get anything from this conversation. The panelists had disagreements but tried to be a team and this showed that they were afraid of each other. The question was left unanswered.
True
I saw that
I too got nothing! Wow!! It's like I've been reading the wrong Bible, are these guys for real 😳
The problem we facing now is the result of a bible being translated from Hebrew to Greek, to Italian, English ect. Now I understand why President Zuma proposed that we have to get a translation straight from Hebrew.
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We keep on learning saints thank u very much but once again heaven n hell is real n the Bible is clear abt them... Siyabonga for preparing us on time for the false teaching that the Bible told us abt... Thank apostle rathebe for pausing a challenge
You mean in the bible the is a truth and lies... Aqiniso bafo alihamgani namanga bible liyiqiniso lonke
Pastors that say there is no hell, means there is no heaven and there is no devil or God. Psalms 14:1 "The fool says in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds, there is none who does good."
Bafunde kakhulu labefundisi can we get pastors who are filled with the holy spirit.
Uqinisile sis
Story of Rich Man and Lazarus is NOT a parable but a historical account. All parables are stated in the Gospels
It is certainly not i also have that knowledge ..... these scholars are ignorant man especially uGobozi lol
@@atinimyataza3688Bengingalindele ukuba yena uMgobhozi naye uzophika indaba yesihogo,kunalokho akhulume lomsangano awukhulumayo,egxeka ne-King James bible ngale doctrine.But kuyacaca ukuthi, just because uye e-bible college, akusho ukuthi umzalwane usewuchwepheshe webhayibheli, but ubuhlathi still buyavela,njengabo oGiyane beno Mgobhozi.
Chaa Siba Luke 16:19 down (The story of Lazarus and a rich man is not a parable.) They must double check that one ... There is Hell and there is Heaven
Lazarus is Jesus
Dogs are Gentiles
Rich man is Israel(could be leaders)
Abraham- according to the Jews a son is placed on the chest but a servant sees the back(like Moses)
Yes it is not a parable - this scripture is as clear as day even to the simplest bible reader.
Problems arise when people approach scripture with preconceptions (False Maturity) rather than a teachable spirit.
You will have to backup your saying as they did
@@cromwellmngadi7534 How did they backup this they didn't even open it they paraphrased it carelessly
@@atinimyataza3688 they are not done
Sibal'khulu 🙌😔
Your penalists must not try to re-write the Holy Bible, infact they must admit that they are themselves misinformed about this Subject. Below are the verses which prove to us that indeed HELL Is Real: “For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment …” (2 Peter 2:4)
“Let death seize them; let them go down alive into hell, for wickedness is in their dwellings and among them.” (Psalm 55:15)
“Her house is the way to hell, descending to the chambers of death.”(Proverbs 7:27)
“They do not lie with the mighty who are fallen of the uncircumcised, who go down to hell with their weapons of war; they have laid their swords under their heads but their iniquities will be on their bones, because of the terror of the mighty in the land of the living.” (Ezekiel 32:27)
“Therefore Sheol has enlarged itself and opened its mouth beyond measure; their glory and their multitude and their pomp, and he who is jubilant, shall descend into it. People shall be brought down, each man humbled, and the eyes of the lofty shall be humbled.” (Isaiah 5:14-15)
“… then I will bring you down with those who descend into the Pit, to the people of old, and I will make you dwell in the lowest part of the earth, in places desolate from antiquity, with those who go down to the Pit, so that you may never be inhabited; and I shall establish glory in the land of the living. ‘I will make you a terror, and you shall be no more; though you are sought for, you will never be found again,’ says the Lord God. (Ezekiel 26:20-21)
“But if the Lord creates a new thing, and the earth opens its mouth and swallows them up with all that belongs to them, and they go down alive in to the pit, then you will understand that these men rejected the Lord. Then it came to pass, as he finished speaking all these words, that the ground split apart under them, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed them up … So they and all those with them went down alive in the pit; the earth closed over them, and they perished from among the congregation.” (Numbers 16:30-33)
“Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol, to the lowest depths of the Pit.” (Isaiah 14:15)
“For Sheol cannot thank You, death cannot praise You; Those who go down to the pit cannot hope for Your truth.” (Isaiah 38:18)
“… Deliver him from going down to the Pit … He will redeem his soul from going dow to the Pit, and his life shall see the light.” (Job 33:24,28)
“Let us swallow them alive like Sheol, and whole, like those who go down to the Pit…” (Proverbs 1:12)
“But those who seek my life, to destroy it, shall go into the lower parts of the earth.” (Psalm 63:9)
This really breaks my heart, all these pastors agree that there’s no hell😩 what’s the need for judgment then? Luke 16:19 ? Why Jesus had to die a painful death?
Matt 25:41 then He will say to those on his left, depart from me, you who are cursed, into the “eternal fire” prepared for the devil and his angels.
Yes there was no hell in the beginning until the fall of lucifer.
It’s better to enter heaven with missing body parts than to be thrown to hell fire with all your body parts.
Please don’t be misled, hell is real. You can search on UA-cam countless people who were lucky to be taken to that place
Paul did talk about false teachers of the word of God
Don't worry at the end of the day, scripture stands. They can run round about simple bible understanding with lofty and farfetched interpretations, at the end there are overwhelmingly many bible verses to support truth that hell is real. Finally, I believe there's a hell because my Lord Jesus taught us there's a hell.
True and the word salvation means rescue or save, So if they say there is no hell they imply that there is no need for salvation and that is huge era from the panelists. Jesus was a hell fire preacher by the way the whole message of the of the gospel is to save people from hell. Jesus came to save us from hell, period. That is why Jesus told the story in Luke 16v19 of the rich man and Lazarus was to emphasize that hell ( The place of torment, fire and conscious punishment) is real.
@@gujwagagu3002Very well said.I wholeheartedly agree with you.I also want to add that the story of the rich and Lazarus exactly does paint a picture of the need as believers to preach the gospel to unbelievers.If you read that story, the rich man actually begs Abraham to send Lazarus to preach to his five brothers, in order not to enter that place of torment.Now, that's our responsibility as believers to preach the gospel to as many people as people.That is very important.
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
2 Peter 2:1-4 read the whole chapter
@kwenakwena4928 I know that scripture, and yes, there is a literal hell, and it awaits unbelievers, and those that teach false doctrine are also in danger of go there as well.
Address these scriptures Do Not take away or Add to God's word.
Rev 20:15 "Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire."
This is grieving, scripture are back and white on this subject matter. In fact Jesus made it abundantly clearly.
and for some reason they did say this was about the judgement that was coming to the nation of Israel , the baptism of fire which even John did predict and Malachi touched on.
it is so said you'll want the bible to speak in isolation. the books of the bible are complementary.
like it or not. if you believe in the Word of God the only fear you would be left with is the fear of God not hell. you exalt hell more than Christ that is why you want pastors who will do the same.
even God the Father sought to be glorified in the Son not in hell. the Son said that he did in John 17.
watch you don't exalt topics over the main
Looking to Jesus the author and perfecter of our faith.
Christ should be the centre and Is the centre of the Bible message.
@Mr ZTile Exactly.That verse you just quoted,is very definitely one of the most heartbreaking verses in the entire bible, and a lot of people are going to be cast into the lake of fire, and that false teachers,as spoken of in 2nd Peter 2.
Mmmm wow this show always lieve us amazed and inspired to understand scriptures
Mark 9 vs 43 & 44 uJesu uyena okhuluma ngesihogo plz Ps Dlamini mabebuya abagcotshwa sicela basichazele lana uJesu wayephaphalaza yini kulamavesi.
They talk about evolution of language in the translation of words which is true, but I would like to argue that the first argument is not phrased well from them, saying there's no hell, which they were suppose to say there's no word in the Bible original text that it's origin is hell, the first claim has been lost making the whole argument invalid although the premises are valid.
Now the word hell encompasses all the places/situations of torment mentioned in the Bible whether the person is dead or alive.
I love theology but my problem with people who learn it is that they become very much like the scribes,phareeses who studied the law without revelation. If we were to unpack everything even from the formation of the Bible and why certain valid books were rejected when they contained so much revelation,.e.g book of Enoch
You will get wonder and question many things. But we have the Holy spirit who lead us to all truth.
I can't wait to listen more on this topic.
Knowing
The difference between love and calling you guys went to Bible school not called
Exactly
The belly of sheol or belly of hell are metaphors, likening the belly of fish with hell or sheol because of how one feels while there.
Greetings, Its my first time commenting in your videos, I think it will be a bit early to express a view on this subject till such time it is properly unpack because we must first deal with the original text and meaning, and consider the evolving of the usage of words and also the cross referencing Bible verses ; I think at that point we can possibly understand and interpret and conclude on this topic. I am looking forward to the next episode. I foresee this topic taking longer than others, overall I cannot wait to watch the next episode. Regards
Thanks for the teaching, my question is if the bible translated in a wrong way, is these guys teaching right? If yes who touch them? Holy spirit or a men? Or it's how they think? As Christian we believe in Christ Jesus and we follow His ways.
Ukufunda kakhulu kuyahlupha.. there is hell fire.. if there is no hell this 3 men suggest that Jesus went to the cross for nothing.. in addition if there is no hell we should live Christianity and keep on sinning like every because there is no hell
Badlala ngath laba nabesidukisa ngedata lethu boo
These three men ,talk on base of human understanding , their human understand of what they went to bible college for,
My question to them is that after all what they have got from college but what is the Spirit of God says to them ?
Into esisele nje ukuthi zithi izinceku akekho no Jesu, I'm scared kuyalapho bezothi akazange afike emhlabeni.
The intro by Bab Rathebe is profound.
Ngilunge nginje ngazi ukuthi kukhona iZulu nesihogo. Ngeke sidlale labahedeni abazishaya onhlenhle bebhayibheli. Bazalwane, yazini lokhu, isihogo sikhona and ongakholwa nguNkulunkulu ngoJesu, loyo uyoya esihogweni hhayi eZulwini kubo.kaJesu ngoba eZulwini kungenwa ngoJesu.
U make me feel like I have never studied the Bible before, according what you're saying, most of us normal Christians who didn't go to Bible school we are lost & we know nothing about God🤔🤔
Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
Revelation 20:11-15 NKJV
Interpret the book for us sizwe
Pastor Siba becareful and pray for uMoya Ongcwele akwambulele abantu okumele ubalethe kule-show. Remember more than 5 k souls UNkulunkulu akuthembe ngayo. Ungavumi kungene umoya okwakhulunywa ngawo ezwini ukuthi ngensuku zokugcina kuyovela abayo-mislead abantu.
Lithi iBhayibheli "hambani nishumayele nithi umbuso weZulu ususondele" so Siba make sure your penalist igxila kakhulu ekusondeleni kombuso ayi! Imfundiso ezingeke zibasize ngalutho abantu. Amen 🙏
💔😢😭 Asihlanganeni spiritual bazalwane sicele uxolo kuJehova sonile.
Iqiniso lelo nceku
God is the Spirit ,nalabo absmkhonzayo abamkhonze ngomoya nangeqiniso. bazalwane asikwazi ukuchaza nkulunkulu nge knowledge ,information oyithole bible college, bazalwane khumbulani ukuthi abantu abakhaphela Jesu abantu ababefundile kskhulu ngebhayibheli, bebizwa ngezazi umthetho.these three men need grace of God , need Jesus Christ in their lives.uyamuzwa lomunye uthi wambiwa bani lowomgodi owawumba waphuma kanjani kuwo, uyabona ukuthi lababantu babathathu abakaze basindiswe abamazi nhlobo Jesu ,bachaza izinto zikankulunkulu nge human understanding..
If loluhlelo olweqiniso ngonkulunkulu ,bobathathu lababantu akumele bsphinde bakhulume kuloluhlelo.
@vusokuhlemthembu8497 Mina bengingalindele ukuba lezizinceku zizokhuluma umsangano onjena.Uma isihogo singekho, uJesu Kristu wezelani emhlabeni athwale ubunzima nezinhlungu ezingakayana aze abethelwe esipgambanweni na? Sikephi isidingo sokufaza nokushumayeza abantu ngo Jesu uma singekho isihogo esilindele abantu abangamamukelanga uJesu na?Asikho phela isidingo sokumisa namatende nezimvuselelo,kushunyanyelwe ngensindiso kubantu abangakholwa.Ukuya e-bible college akusho ukuthi umzalwane usewuchwepheshe webhayibheli.Ubuhlathi bubuye buvele noma umuntu efundile.Umzalwane nomzalwane uyamdinga uMoya Ongcwele kulezizikhathi zokugcina,njengoba zikhona izimfundiso ezidukisayo.
Why did Christ beg us to even pluck our yes and chop off our hands rather than being thrown into hell to a place of unquenchable fire. where the worm never dies
We r learning and unlearning , which is good , bt let's ensure that we r not mislead by the experts of the bible . I'm worried
Iqiniso liyovela sekubuya ujesu bafethu asiyeke, but I miss NJ Sthole that was a man of God bazovukake abanye beqiniso abazohamba emandleni 2×, NIZOBONA.
ujesu uthi ngikufihlile kwabahlakaniphile ngakumbulela iziwula.
Not kwiziwula nceku but kubantwana go back to the scripture🙈
Yey izomxaka le uMgobhozi. The destiny of those who die is the ground 😅.
And what is more fascinating is the fact that out of the 2.38 billion christians globally, 1.2 billion is Roman Catholic which mean if they can stand alone as a religion, Christianity will be the second largest.
Very interesting indeed. It also brings about the question of the promise of a new heaven and a new earth?...
Pastor Siba sengiku noticile,uyawazi ukotini ngyayithanda indlela ogqoka ngayo.
Nginombuzo,yini esibona ngayo ukuthi lento esiyifundayo ngaleso skhathi I literal or figurative?
People only want to be told what they want to hear…
Not everything in the Bible is true, but ☝🏾 the bible is a book of Truth that has been tampered with.
Let’s allow the Holy Spirit to help us unlearn some of the false teachings and make room for the Truth..
great conversation ♥️‼️
Baphethe izimfundiso zama Demoni lababantu nginqena nokubabiza ngabazalwane.... Into engingayisho ukuthi ABAPHENDUKE KUSENETHUBA NGOBA UNKULUNKULU UYABATHANDA...
Nokufunda ungaqondi kunobungozi. UNkulunkulu wathi kuPhillip ikhona indoda ezansi efundayo kodwa iyakuqonda na lokhu efundayo. Attending these Bible schools helps one not if they're r not connected to the Holy Spirit. Abagcotshwa laba sesobona uma sifika eZulwini ukuthi bakhona na mebengekho iyobuzwa phezu kwabo ke lemiphefumulo abayedukisayo. @Apostle Rathebe ngiyadumala engabe kuNtshukumo uzovela yini ngale doctrine or uya ngendawo okuyona bese ukhulumisa okwalabo....uma ubanda banda uma ushisa shisa ungabi ndikindiki.
Thank you Apostle
Please address this scripture, I worry when the plain simplicty of scripture is missed for lofty theological diddles. Hell is real, eternal separation is real please revise your theology on this particular subject, you sound like Jehovah Witnesses with your over complicating of simple bible truths.
If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched- where ‘Their worm does not die And the fire is not quenched.’ And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched- where ‘Their worm does not die, And the fire is not quenched.’ And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire- where ‘Their worm does not die And the fire is not quenched.’
[Mark 9:43-48 NKJV]
Amen saint
We need part 2 and for the topic of Satan to be discussed in depth.
Hayi uMr Rathebe uyevakala lana uba his agaisnt with those two so nje please asimxoleleni bafowethu and kwi third episod his clear about his side💪💪
Hell is real Saints, the fact that it is real does not undermine the finished work of the cross. The fact the lake of fire or eternal separation from God is real does not diminish God's Love. God has provided a way of escape Jesus Christ. Please go to the bible again and hear what the Lord is saying about hell, some may become lukewarm in evangelization because of those who do not spiritually discern word.
Awesome zipho heaven n hell doesn't need many words to describe them they are clear in the scripture
Greetings and Thank you so much Servants of GOD, hearing of such disagreements to agreements reminds Me why the LORD said, the Manifestation of the Glory of GOD in the Great Revival will be through the unknown, the living depending on the Prophetic Words by the late, so " NO MAN WILL SAY I TOLD YOU SO". Kuyozwakala kahle ngelinye ilanga.
How can luke 16:19 be a parable ??? Whenever Jesus gave a parable he would say a certain man not mention names, here there’s Lazarus, Abraham, real people it can’t be a parable
Lazarus is Jesus
Dogs are Gentiles
Rich man is Israel(could be leaders)
Abraham- according to the Jews a son is placed on the chest but a servant sees the back(like Moses)
looking forward to the discussion.
Pastor Edwin
Apostle Rathebe thank you for defending the Word
Greetings Man of God .... I would like to oppose this questions to all the man of God present in the studio
Why are we christians?what do we want in Christianity?
Why do we have to be saved?
What is the mandate behind all the work we are doing?
By answering this questions
The Question of heaven or hell will be answered
Come on rathebe, I hear you man of God
Kudlaliwe ngathi lapha, sometimes when people study to unearth what is no there and they try to create it to be. If he questions who will dug the hell he must question the creation itself, if the Creator got tired. If God created the earth and heaven through the word, what would make it difficult for the Creator to make the hell to exist? Yeshua rebuke the then-teachers of the the Law (Pharisees and Sadducees) because they twist the scripture. Shalom
To add on kn tha brother: education at some point becomes a tool to mould assets. Look at the so called scholars in our country, how they are used to endose naratives and not stand with the truth. It seems the same is happening in Christianity, the panelists choose to stick to what may have been discussed and agreed on in a convention somewhere instead of seeking God's scripture- based revelation on this.
should have been DISCUSSION for scholars only!!! respectfully. all am hearing is a show off that they each know words in different interpretation. Thank you Apostol Radebe for trying to explain sadly we are left more confused , also still not getting answered based on the topic at hand,
Ngiyawathanda lamadoda! That is Theology ,let us learn bafowethu ! Ngamkhumbula kodwa uNcanani!
Can you please tell us about how Jesus Christ will return back as the scripture said
What did Christ save us from? why did he save us if the is no eternal fire? What is the punishment for people who did not receive Christ as their Lord and Savior? Why did Christ taught his disciples to say when you pray you must say our father who art in heaven if the is no heaven? Nglunge ngat kuts sihhogo nelizulu kukhona
Why would God send his only begotten Son to die if there’s no hell?
Mark 9:48 the worms that eat them never die, and the fire is not quenched.
Rev 20:15 and whosoever was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire!
Countless times by the grace of God I’ve been taken to the place where people burn, it’s not just something I only read. Believe it or not Hell is real and so is Heaven.
The great evengelist Reinghard Bonnke, came all the way from Germany and main message was about salvation and hell fire and we saw signs and wonders.
Bible school can be very very dangerous sometimes
Not even sometimes it's completely dangerous coz we only need the WORD from Almighty Above and if we can check Jonh7:15 n Acts 4:13 they weren't academical educated but educated through HolySpirit.
@@NtusiNation exactly, and the way these guys are so confident they are so sure they are teaching the right thing. I think it would be good forPs Zweli to also invite someone at least two with different thinking because these three they believe the same thing if you watch the previous power hours, even with God not hating divorce as if he likes it.
Ecclesiastes 12:7 puts it vivid clear, when you die your flesh goes back to the ground and your spirit goes back to God who gave it. It. It also recorded its appointed unto man once to die then judgement.
They don’t quote these verses
@@phindamavuso2786 that is why Paul said to the leaders of the church "beware of you and all the flock that Holy Spirit hath made you overseers to feed the church of God which He had purchased by His Own blood" Acts20:28 and to the Galatians1:11-12 said "The Gospel that I am preaching is not from any man but by the revelation of Jesus Christ"....uThixo makancede iinkokheli zebandla lakhe zishumayele okwentando yakhe hayi ngokwemfundo yazo kuba lilixa lokugqibela eli ixesha liphelile.
2 Peter 1:20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things.
2 Peter 1:21 For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit. Greetings to all the saints. I think it is high time we lean and depend on the Holy Spirit for bible intepretation. Knowledge has become our greatest enemy. I hear where you are coming from Apostle Rathebe.
What a discussion,,,,,this one says go study
I agree with you
Angibaphikisi mina .....kodwa ngithi leli abalifundise igane zabo lilungile for bona nazo .....thinabazalwana asiqhubeke ngaleli esilaziyo .....isihogo sizokwenziwa on the day of judgement lapho kuyocibilikwa konke intaba namagquma amatye namawa .....lokhu angikwazi futhi angifuni nakwazi imfundiso enje angikaze ngayizwa okushokhona ukuthi sesifika ekupheleni komhlaba😭😭
"Usho ukuthi lento esiyishoyo ayikho?"😂😂😂
They are picking and choosing the verses that will approve their points. Hell is there in the Bible in both OT and NT. Jesus spoke about it in many verses, that I can provide at any time when someone ask me to do so...
Actually there are 5 words that are been used to describe HELL in the Bible. Which are ABADDON, AFTERLIFE, GEHENNA, HADES AND SHEOL. I can quote then from the Bible from OT and NT
@vusiematwa1233 Exactly, but Mgobhozi and Giyane, the supposed teachers of the word are talking nonsense about the non-existence of hell.Jesus Christ did preach and warn about hell, and Apostle Peter even urged believers to be found in right standing with God till the end of time (in 2nd Peter 3).In the preceding verses,he had spoken about a fire awaiting ungodly people.
We have tomuch questions to ask about this topic. Can guys engage us as well.
The way l am hearing this it seems like
1) there are no Consequences of any evil behavior
2) is there any need for someone to choose. Between the narrow and broad the way Jesus spoke about. If there is no punishment. Why are these pastors busy preaching because God saw it fit for us to do what ever we want to do.
ngaze nga-confused ngimncane🙉🙉
Am watching all the way from Joburg can't wait
I think what we have to know in this content is that the bible is only written in parables, 89v1,2 psalms
We want More Pst Zweli
Baphi abafundisi abadumile o SB Zikhali oBabu S Msimango yini singababoni la kupower hour.
Yazi God made it so simple and straight forward to understand John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.. God made so easy that even a gogo or small child uneducated person to understand the Good News... Why if God wanted all of us ukuthi silidle ifa Lombuso wakhe why would He make it so complicated as u making it Pastors.. Brethrens read the word and pray that the Holy Spirit interpret it. All this different theories and doctrine and scholars will mislead and confuse u.
Ngeke uchaze izwi likaNkulunkulu elinguMoya wena uhamba ngengqondo yakho encane .... Nayo engenaMoya Ongcwele.... labaZalwane bahamba ngengqondo abanawo uMoya Ongcwele finish... Bayobona mhla befa ukuthi ISIHOGO sikhona ...
1 KwabaseKorinte 1:21
" Ngokubanjengalokho ekuhlakanipheni kukaNkulunulu izwe alimazanga uNkulunkulu ngokuhlakanipha kwalo, kwabakuhle kuNkulunkulu ukusindisa abakholwayo ngobuwula bentshumayelo"
Indaba yesihogo ingubuwula kulabazalwane ngokuhlakanipha kwabo ngalokho ngeke basinde ngobuwula bentshumayelo ... They are choosing to go to hell ngokuhlakanipha kwabo okungubuwula
Sometimes when you question the scripture, abazalwane will always question your faith
That's not true... Revisit your statement.
Everytime
@@bonginkosintuli4560 My statement is true bawokaz. If you disagree with it, please read the comments
I tried not to laugh, but I can’t😂😂😂😂😅”niyabezwa bakhala es’hogweni”.
God bless you man of God. Once you put your theology to the word of God. This is a if didn't go to school of theology you will never understand this no bazalwane you are very very wrong. I wish I can have a chance to talk to you
Yabona the way Siba ended this episode im not happy there are lives at stake here and the people are getting confused and others just lost hope. Life matters more than time i still got questions but i will look for answers myself because i was left with a big fat question mark about the story of Lazaros and the rich man. And i agree with them when they say there is no hell that is known today and satan being the king of hell and all those myths of scaring people. That kind of hell was created by One of the Popes in the olden days i believe 13 to 1400 where he ordered an artist to paint a pic od hell where satan and his demons were devouring people putting them to fire and then on the same pic theres heaven and jesus next to God and so on. That kind of hell was created bythe roman catholic church but not the bible. Now since we dont have enough resources to study they need to clarify the Matt 25 where it says"....will be cast in the eternal fire created for devil and his angels" and also must clarify the passage of Lazarus and rich man and also revelations and the day Chirst deny those who deny him on judgement day and what or when was judgement day of everyone not just jews because i know that one
Niyithathaphi le information wemadoda Who wrote it and who teaches you
😮 iconfusion engaka. Yey, I am so lost lah. There is no immortality 😢
Ayibongwe iNkosi kwi bazalwane cha sengathi beningakhuluma ngesizulu kakhulu ukuze bezosizakala abangafundile ngyabonga
Greek or Hebrew language is not God's language, God's language was also translated by the people that heared God.
Yes Indeed
Hell is real.
They will go there wait and see ....
It's amazing just how many people believe the reason Jesus came to earth was to save them from God...that's correct, FROM GOD!
Of course, they don't normally put it that way! Usually, they say, "Jesus came to save us from going to Hell." But any deep dive into their beliefs usually results in their confessing God is almighty and, therefore, is in charge of everything that happens--God, they believe, is the direct cause of all things that occur or, at a minimum, he permits all things to happen that he does not directly cause, all the while he has the power to intervene, but chooses not to!
So, if there is a Hell and, let's say, there is such a thing as people "choosing" to go there (which is, by the way, ludicrous on its face) surely a good God would, at least, turn the flames of Hell off! Or a good God would, at least, make it so the bodies of those who leap into the Lake of Fire of their own free choice (again, ludicrous) are able to die, as they would when a person on earth is burned to death, reducing their time of suffering to only a minute or two at the most, horrific as that would be!
Interestingly, Jesus himself was faced with a situation (in Luke 9:51-56) where his own disciples wanted God to burn an entire village of people to death for some infraction one of their hotel keepers made, and Jesus rebuked them, telling them their idea had been spawned by the devil himself!
So, if Jesus thought the idea of burning people alive for just a few horrific minutes was devil-inspired, imagine what he would say to anyone today who is suggesting God plans to burn people alive for eternity!
Rick Lannoye, author of Hell? No! Why You Can Be Certain There Is No Such Place As Hell
Ay kushubile kakhulu namhlanje
Inkinga nikhuluma ngama scholars but utsini Nkulunkulu, utsini moya longcwele noma naye you will end up nitsi there is no God nor heaven😢😢😢😢😢😢Lord help up
Libulaleni ivangeli ngemfundo yasemhlabeni
Labefundisi bayasidukisa.mabephikisa ibhayibhile
And we are more than ever after this session and i think it will be understood by abafundisi bodwa but what about lay Christians?
Spiritual and physical are two form of existences that are not the same, the Bible illustrated visions of God sitting in a throne, rivers, fires and lighting. And when God instructed Moses to created the ark of the covenant He said those things represent what is in heaven. Meaning in the spirit they are physical objects that can only interact with spiritual bodies, if God is spirit, that means he is physical in the realm of the spirit.
We simple mean we can't see those things because our physical nature on the real inhibit us to do so. There's a divine law placed these dimensions that in order to interact there you must have the body of that dimension. That why we see angels coming to earth as men .
Nazoke Siba. Iyabaxaka i parable, they are not answering Rathebe.. We were told about three terms but tgey were not explained..
Very informative 👏
Yaz I'm afraid even some pastor who leads us may go to hell they deny that hell exists 😳... Lazarus story, mark 9:47... Matt 5:22... hell is real so is heaven
Brother Gobhoza you speak about kemet you have information that you not sharing please enlighten the Brothers , we are still getting lost share the information
They are all lost however I'm not surprise because they are captured by the religious system. Manje iskhath sika Moyongcwele umnikaz webandla, these people basindwa ilama titles abazinika wona that is why bengeke bahlwithwe ku first fruits harvest ( 1Rapture) asazi kweyesibili bazokwazi yini ukumela ama tribulations. Uma ufuna ukuba sembuswen ka Nkulunkulu 1 Rapture buka the Narrow Gate channel with Sister Musandiwa uzofunda okuningi
This topic has not been delt with thorough. So many questions left unanswered. Apostle Rathebe you tried to bring other panelists to get to the head of the question but keep diving and dacking. I hope next time you will come back with a clear and simple conclusion. Remember this is meant to equip Saints who are simple and loving the Lord. NEVER YOU FORGET YOUR AUDIENCE AS YOU CONTINUE TO INTERROGATE THE SCRIPTURES. (THE PRIMARY PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO EQUIPTHE CHURCH NOT FOR THEOLOGIANS. )
Siba, 1 hour is not enough for this topic because there are different topics embedded here... Ababuye abafundisi bashaye I-series yalengxoxo otherwise sizolahleka singababukeli nabafundi bezwi. I love the stance about creation, the state of the dead, life after death, the resurrection and so forth... Kodwa I need abafundisi to dig deep and dissect ingxoxo kaLucifer vs Satan, the lake of fire and where God lives nezingelosi ezimdumisa nathi zonke, the new heaven and the new earth. There's a lot of wisdom in the panelists kodwa let them teach us topic by topic and quote scripture kahle ukuze singadideki.
Hay andiva kwanto mna ngoku ndilahlekile, where are is the scripture reference of what they are say? Kahle ngama translation ne Greek
Yeah neh, hayi kunzima ke ngoku. I am so interested in their escatological views.
Hhai nami ngiyilindile
The priests thought they knew everything about God and the law, until they met Jesus Christ their theology changed, these pastors in this show have the same mentality of the old priests, surely nothing new under the sun. Hopefully oneday they will repent.
I'm content with most interpretation presented by the panelists of how the different terms were misinterpreted to read as hell, just need more clarity regarding the lake of fire, I mean there a scripture that implies that death and hades was thrown into the lake of fire
One interesting discussion I have watched in power hour.. So interesting