Review: Sinnis Terrain 125 (Black Edition) - A Little Bike For Big Adventures
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- Опубліковано 10 чер 2024
- The Sinnis Terrain 125 is marketed as an adventure bike, but is it any good? I took it for a spin off-road to get it covered in mud, and find out.
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Chapters:
0:00 Sinnis Terrain 125cc
0:46 Who Are Sinnis?
1:59 Does It Look Good?
3:17 Going For A Spin
3:57 Is It Built Good?
7:21 The Panniers And Side Switch
9:02 Does It Ride Good?
11:08 Awesome Turning Circle
11:44 Final Bit Of Riding
12:34 Summary: The Good
14:05 Summary: The Not-So-Good
15:56 Some Additional Points And Summary - Розваги
A few points to highlight post-video:
1) Sinnis have kindly responded about the ECU problem: "In certain conditions, the ECU will store an error code which will cause the light to come on, but when the bike gets restarted it’ll do a diagnostic check on itself and, if it finds no issues, the light turns off."
2) Tony Shearman commented below with this useful info ref: combined braking: "The source of the complaints relating to the combined brakes is not how the front operates the rear, but how the rear operates the front. When you are just using the rear brake for gentle slow speed control, unless you are really careful it can operate the front brake quite sharply and upset the balance at slow speed. It's OK one you get used to it, but can catch you out at first if you are used to a conventional setup."
Thanks all! ✌🏻
We need 125cc adventure bikes for the yoooff coming along, buyers of these will buy the big bikes of tomorrow and keep our past time going. Well done Sinnis and good review Ollie
Very well said that man 👏🏻
Fair play for doing the review on the 125. I think they are forgotten about when it come to trail riding. I down graded myself to a 125 a year a go to use for trail riding as it fitted the budget and spec. I thought if it was crap I'd sell it. But I can honestly say it's made me go out and ride the trails. It's light, economic, handles well, easy to man handle , easy to fix and it takes a beating with no fuss. Nice review.
Thanks man, glad you enjoyed the video, and cheers for the comment! Yeah I’m a big bike rider, but on the dirt you don’t need all the horses. This bike was great!
What 125 did you get?
Superb video, can't wait for mine to turn up Saturday.
Awesome 🤟🏻
Had my sinnis since november and i love it!
Awesome. Done much adventuring on it?
Brilliant great to see you back creating content Ollie 🤜🤛
Thanks man 👊🏻
@@OllieMoto my pleasure, looking forward to what’s to come pal
Good video mate, solid review hopefully more to come
All is on track for the big comeback at some point 😉
As an owner I approve of this video. The ECU light has been on most its life but like you said makes no difference but it doesn't turn off (it did for 1 month but came back). The biggest problem with this bike isn't the bike, its the garages. if you're not close to a SINNIS dealer you'll get hit with "you should have bought a Jap bike" or "we don't work on Chinese crap" so can be hard to get serviced. The rear brake activating the front is dangerous off road when going down hill otherwise not a problem. I'm getting TKC80's for mine next month ready for an adventure in April. All in all it's a great bike and I don't regret a thing, it's brought me independence, fun and adventure.
Needs a 21' spoked wheel upgrade kit 100%
Thanks for the approval! 😂 Ah, that’s annoying that the light is always on, that would be an issue for me personally. I’m surprised there are garages that behave like that though - if someone told me they didn’t work on Chinese crap I think they’d be off the Christmas card list. A bike is a bike and if you’re paying, you’re paying 🤷🏼♂️
As you said, anything that gets people out adventuring is fine by me!
Brilliant review on this bike! I own one and have done for almost a year now, and its brilliant!
The weight as you mentioned as an issue, i find is needed. I ride it daily and having weight to it help it in high winds 👍 the engine management light comes on when the electric rattle too much or gets a little wet, nothing at all to worry about and sinnis are right, if its on for longer than a day then its an issue. One point to add for you and anyone thinking of getting this bike, a full tank of fuel will do about 220 miles, which i think is brilliant!
Thanks for the info! That is a pretty good distance for one tank - have you been on any big adventures with it? I still feel that an engine management light shouldn’t come on unless there is actually a fault though.
Really good review. These bikes are pretty amazing!
Take a look at Old Wild and Free, Helene,rides one, and does some prettty impressive off roading!
Well done Ollie, good job.
Thanks! He's commented on the video 👌🏻
Great review Ollie. Much better than I could do, but I have a face for radio and a voice for a magazine, so I’m not off to a great start.
Thanks very much! 🔥 Ah anyone can do it, I’m no Brad Pitt 🤣
Good review have subbed and pressed the bell hello from Scotland :D
Ah, bonnie Scotland. Love that place. Thanks! 🤘🏻
This bike in a 3-500cc would be pretty much perfect. love the styling of it
What about a BMW 310? 🤷🏼♂️
@@OllieMoto i daily a bmw g 310 gs :)
Fair 👏🏻
Superb review and good to hear that you can have off road fun with a 125. may I ask what boots you were wearing? Looking quite deadly.
Thanks bud! Yeah they are Alpinestars Tech 10’s. Very comfy and solid boots! 🔥
Good review. Thanks and subbed. Only thing stopping me getting this bike is the power/speed. Would like a comfortable cruising 60 as I intend to go long distances. Shame though because everything else seems fantastic.
Thanks for the comments bud. Yeah, with my weight (80kg) and luggage it wouldn’t be cruising at 60, but I know it’s been fine for lighter riders (someone’s wife I know has one and loves it). Sinnis do a 380cc version but I’ve never ridding it.
Nice, honest review 👍
Glad you liked it. I'm still not convinced I'm cut out for bike-reviewing, but the comments seem positive so far!
I can confirm they quite a bit faster if you take side cases and and side crash bars off , and also theirs a air restrictor plate in airbox you can remove ..it will take it up to the 15HP that's the CBT limit and will do anything from 65 -73 MPH depending on riders weight
CBT limit is only 14.6
Thanks for the info 👍🏻
Hi Ollie, great review.
How did you find the rear TKC 80 on the front?
My partner has a Sinnis Terrain 2020, she not only commutes to work, but we greenlane most weekends, still with her original tyres.
Soon we are off to Morocco, I have researched so many tyres to try and find something more off-road orientated, but struggle with the front wheel. My concern with the TKC 80's, is that the front would of been a 120 wide rear tyre. Which concerns me. How did you find the front wheel, difficult when you can't compare it?
Thanks for the comment. As you said, it's hard to compare really as this is the only tyre I've ridden on this bike. What I can say I suppose is that I rode through a lot of different terrains on that day - mud, sand, water, rocky stuff - and that tyre seemed to cope fine. I mention at the end how it 'danced around a bit', but as I stated I think this was just a characteristic of a smaller wheel, and definitely not something to be overly concerned about!
Greetings from Thailand, in our country, this motorcycle (or a similar one built by the same company) is called Zongshen Ryuka RX1, which is a 200cc air-cooled single cylinder 4 stroke with 6 gears, they also make a 250cc liquid cooled version called the RX3
Interesting 🧐 Good info! What sort of reputation do they have in Thailand? Are they popular, and reliable?
Greetings from Thailand, most people over here buy their small capacity motorcycles from mainly Honda and Yamaha, larger capacity from Kawasaki, Royal Enfield, CFMoto and Benelli, a big bike is something above 150cc, there are companies that use Zongshen-Ryuka products and sell them under their own name, such as GPX and Stallions, GPX and Stallions have a good loyal group of customers, Ryuka, not so many customers although the company has been producing motorcycles, tricycles and machinery in Thailand since 1992, their headquarters and factory is in Pluak Daeng, Rayong, I have just purchased a Ryuka RX1 second hand 1 year old for 45,900 Thai Baht (New price is 89,900 Thai Baht) current exchange rate is around 43 Thai Baht for 1 GBP, as for reputation, it is good amongst the people who have purchased with no known reliability issues, I hope this is helpful to you@@OllieMoto
@@OllieMoto Same thing as Motron X nord 125. The Company behind it is KSR from Austria. Unfortunately, the Sinnis is not available on the European Kontinent, because i like
the colour coding of the black edition much better.
Good review, nice to see a review for people have to ride small bikes on a budget.
Yeah. As I said these bikes are seemingly well travelled too, which is always a good sign!
@@OllieMoto yep the “Chinese” bikes are coming a long way recently. I sell a lot of small capacity bikes and love it when customers say don’t want a 125 Chinese bike I want a Honda! 🤦🏻♂️
In my head 🤔 Made in china numb nuts!
Hahaha! Yeah that’s what I often think too. Just ask them to check the label in their T-shirt or trainers too… 🤣
Had my terrain for 18 months, love it to bits, reliable as...❤
Good to know. Done any big trips on it?
@OllieMoto the biggest for me was London to Brighton and back, done this twice now 😊
@@tonyf9076 have you ventured into the off road?
@OllieMoto No mate, still have the smooth tyres on from when I got it, do those nobblies on the black edition come as standard ?
@@tonyf9076 no buddy. They were fitted as a request from me, for the video review.
I have been riding one of these since 2017 from home to the station🤣
Never broke down, runs on fumes. But the most important thing is nobody has ever nicked it. Before that I have had three bikes nicked🤣
Haha, I suppose Sinnis can use that stat for promo? 😂
Great video, agree with all aspects, also the fuel consumption as that was what l got with mine. Love my sinnis , feel safe with it on the road as it looks big, and other road users give me the bubble.
It definitely looks a lot bigger than I remember 125's being when I was a lad. Capable wee bike off-road as well 👍🏻
Great review! Also you forgot about one criteria for adventure bikes- "does it look good on pictures while crashed?" 😅
Also confirmed Ollie leaves big bike team and joins TAMP podcast gang on small bikes!
Haha they all look good when crashed, I think the rule is that you have to immediately put the photo on the TET group too 😂 Ha, no, not quite yet 😂😂
dream bike... hope they sell it in Belgium quickly.
Looks like a great option if you've got a CBT and on a budget 👌
Yes mate is it. Underpowered for the likes of your talent though 😉
Wonder if they removed the front mudguard because it interfered with the knobblies? Could be an issue for anyone buying for off roading.
I’m not sure to be honest. Would be one to check if this was the bike you were looking to buy though.
Have you given any more thought to what should be in a good basic first aid kit and what can be used in conjunction with one especially for solo riders
Still ongoing buddy! 😁👍🏻
Ollie thanks for a great review.
Just one point to pick up on re the combined brakes ...
My wife has one of these which I ride often, and the source of the complaints relating to the combined brakes is not how the front operates the rear, but how the rear operates the front.
When you are just using the rear brake for gentle slow speed control, unless you are really careful it can operate the front brake quite sharply and upset the balance at slow speed.
It's OK one you get used to it, but can catch you out at first if you are used to a conventional setup.
Tony, thanks for that clarification bud.
As you can probably tell from the video, I didn't do too much 'pre-reading' before going riding 😂 However, I often use the rear on the trails and again, never had any dramas for the day I was reading it.
Hopefully your comments help others though 👌🏻 Thanks man.
A good honest review...well done.
TBH, I looked at a Sinnis when I "downsized" from a 500cc {with only kickstart} at the age of 70.
The main thing which put me off the Sinnis was the cast wheels, I prefer spokes, as a cast wheel would crack/break, spokes are replaceable, although to be fair. after choosing my own bike, I thought my own more comfortable than the Sinnis felt when I tested rided it {admitably a short ride, in town} .
I would be wary of that rear Top Box ....it's something to hit you in back shortly after a mishap....although the Panniers? ...I wish my own bike had come with them {I ended up buying a leather tool roll, still pitifully small, but enough to carry a "a few tools"} .
The front wheel? ....the tyre is too wide for my liking {both on my own bike, and the Sinnis} ...if you look at the Japanese off roaders they all have slimmer front tyres, far better on rocky & muddy terrain.
The front/rear interconnected braking? ....it's brilliant on the road, but takes a bit of getting used to in mud & on gravel, I tend to use the rear brake mostly off road..
Weight? ....my own bike weighs in a 126kg, considerably lighter {especially to an old geezer like myself}
On the road? ....I've seen 60mph ....but I would still hate to take it on a motorway ....but I have to ride it 25 miles to my nearest greenlaning....{I sure miss that 500cc underneath me}
My own bike? ....it's an AJS 125 Desert Scrambler ....I'm happy with it {3 years, 3000km and no probs} ....it would be nice to see you do a review of it.
Ride Safe ;-)
Firstly, it's great that you're still riding at 70! Excellent. Yeah I was using this seriously off-road I wouldn't have a fixed top box either. As I said in the review, I didn't really notice the linked braking but maybe I just didn't ride it for long enough, or on some difficult terrain where it could be a problem. You've also managed 60mph!! Great effort 😂 If I can get hold of an AJS then I'll get it reviewed. Thanks 👍🏻
What is the gear you’re wearing in this video? I like the jacket
You made me have to watch my own video again to check 😂 So I’m wearing Adventure Spec gear, which I highly recommend. The riding jacket is the Linesman 👌🏻
Epic vid aswell ollie
Is that just 'cause you feature? I meant to add your insta handle. Soz 🤦🏼♂️
Although Sinnis put the knobbly tyres on the Terrain 125 for you to test because they knew that you done a lot of off roading, if I were to keep knobbly tyres on the bike for every day riding on roads, does that make the tyres more dangerous due to the lack of grip ? I assume they would not be as safe as proper road tyres, but would the difference be dangerous ?
I ride my 990 with 80/20 tires on for all terrain. You just need to remember you're using nobblies and refrain from trying to get your need down on wet tarmac 😉 It's not dangerous.
I noticed on sinnis terrain service light come on on actually service due👌600/1800 and go off on its own without any hassle🤷.
Is it just me or sinnis?
200 miles. In 3600 I have another one?
So I guess keep eye on it.
Sinnis told me it will also come on if the bike thinks there's some sort of issue, but if it goes out quickly or resets when the bike is turned off then all is ok. All I can say is that it was a bit off-putting to have a bike with a warning light on if there was no real fault 😬
First impression..the bike looks great and all in proportion.
I agree. It's a very good looking bike. I genuinely wouldn't have known it was a wee bike, from a distance of course. I'd hope I could recognise a small engine up close! 😂
interesting video, i have a 50cc scooter atm, pretty slow but wonder if its worth getting the license for a 125cc, just semi-interested in bikes tbh :P
I remember when I made the move from 50-125 (a long time ago now). You'll definitely have a lot more fun on the "bigger" bike.
Are you Hampshire based? Sure I saw a clip of you near boundary oak school nr. wickham? If so where did you go off road?!!
I am indeed. There’s a load of green lanes that basically go around Petersfield in a loop. If you take a look at the ‘Hampshire Rights of Way online’ you should be able to make a route near wherever you are. There’s bloody loads of them but not all are that big big friendly! 😂
Nice to see upside down forks on it too. Good stuff.
Yeah, it's got some simple little trick bits on it. Suspension felt fine for me!
good review I like your riding style far better than me?
Ha, maybe you should watch some of my other videos 😂 Glad you enjoyed it. It’s a good little bike.
The mop just makes it look ✨expensive✨
The mop?
0:22 @@OllieMoto
@@FandangoTheGrom ahhhhh the mop! 😂
I’m 6’7” and looking for a 125. You seem like a tall fellow, how did you find the size of the bike?
I’m 6’1” and it felt fine. Would probably get some risers but that’s about it.
The only issue I can see with this bike, is the choice of wheel. Alloy while it's better for on road use, it's not as durable as good old spoke wheels for off road use. I have long since moved on from 125s, I currently ride a KLE500. I think the best 125 adventure bike I owned was the kymco stryker 125, that was a beast.
Most big adventure bikes will use spokes for their "proper" off-road wheels. Not sure how important it is with these lightweight, smaller bikes though.
Does the rear brake work the front seen that somewhere
Yeah. I mention it at the end of the review 🤙🏻
Where do you find all the green lays please
A lot of map and route study. Use OS Maps on Bing - that'd handy.
EML coming on could have been water ingress in a connection to a sensor.
I've pinned the reply from Sinnis on this video 👍🏻
What size tyres are on there as I can tell the front one was 120 70 17 but can't tell what they had on the rear
I can’t actually remember but it’s their standard sizes. It’s all on their website 👍🏻
@@OllieMoto thank you how did it handle with both front and rear tyres pretty much same size as front was 120 70 17 and rear stock is 120 80 17 normally
@@alanwheatley88 yeah it handled fine. I talk about it in the video 😁
125 air cooled EFI engines are stupidly efficient. I shorted my first brim test (42 miles) and figured 104mpg on my Hoodlum. 1.83 litres! On a bike that weighs 140kg dry and I've not yet had above 45mph.
You can make some distance at that mpg, although not very quickly it would seem 😂
@@OllieMoto yeah I'm at the age where I like to see the world go by and still be able to pick up details, not zip by in a blur :)
@@BlokeOnAMotorbike doesn't sound too bad if I'm honest!
Wat tyres are they as I got the red one cheeres
In the video? TKC 80’s 👍🏻 If you mean as standard then I’m not too sure.
Sadly the chain looks like its off a pedal bike and I expect it will stretch as if it was.
I quite like Sinnis and their terrain bike. But I don't like glaring failure and perhaps its one area that keeps the price down, but not sure that works out..
A quick Google of the 438x132 shows that it's used on a lot of smaller bikes, including those from major brands. Should be reet 🤷🏼♂️
hello can you give me the brand of the tires and their dimensions thank you
They are TKC 80’s. 17” wheels.
@@OllieMoto ok thanks
Nice tires, can you tell me the brand? 🙏🏻
Ah man I can’t actually remember, but looking at them in the video I think they’re Continental TKC80’s. A popular tyre by all account 👌🏻
Can a couple go on a long tour with this motorbike?
I didn’t ride it with a pillion, but I think it might struggle for power if two-up with kit.
I went and bought the Hoodlum because of the size of the machine, it looks like a 600 and goes like a 250.
It’s a cool looking bike tbf.
@@OllieMoto it is very comfortable. Like riding an armchair.
These tyres are much better they should all come standard like this…Looks much nicer too the black
Yeah it wasn't a bad looking wee bike. If I was to own this bike I'd definitely stick a set of 50/50's on it, at the very least. It is an adventure bike after all!
SBW! 🙂
Good review. Looks like a tidy learner friendly go anywhere bike.
😂😂 Yeah it is, really easy to ride. Not the most powerful but that means it's more difficult for it to get out of control I suppose?
Funny thing happened. I bought a Motron X Nord 125 and its the exact same friking bike lol😂
Same bike, different badge? 🤣
@@OllieMoto yep! There is literally 0 diference. I bougt a toro exhaust for my motron and its actualy made for the sinnis terrain…. Fit like a glove😂👍🏻
@@joajaimemarti4556 sounds like it's easy to get spares then! 🤣
@@joajaimemarti4556 the same toro exhaust that goes on the hoodlum??
@@BlokeOnAMotorbike i dont know if thats the same, but if you type in sinnis terrain toro exhaust it fits the motron. Only the position of your exhaust sensor is in a diferent spot but easy to reorganize the wires and your set!
Not watched the whole review so far but why the tiny fat wheel up front surely it should come with a 19” ??
It's a small bike 🤷🏼♂️ That said the Varadero has an 18, according to Google.
What year is it
It was a 2022 model.
as much as this is a cool little bike IMO the best 125cc adventure bike has to be the Derbi Terra Adventure * just got to the end of the vid haha**
Yup! 😂😂 Ha, I feel bad for not knowing about it, especially after one of my good mates told me that’s what he had for years! 🤣
I wanted one for years but decided to spend the money on my full license and then got the yamaha xt660z tenere instead, had it for 8 years so far and still love it, I've modified it a fair bit though
We always do. I’m constantly tinkering with my 990, for no real reason other than I like tinkering with it. Probably why it keeps breaking down 🤣
I now have to watch another review to find out the top speed...
Haha, I think you’ll struggle to find a top speed video for a 125 adventure bike 🤷🏼♂️😂
If you like this bike then you need to see the upcoming Honda Cb125x
I’ll take a look 👀
SBW
😂😂
Looks cool, Chinese tho, i just think it's going to be worn out by 20k.
There's a few stories of these bikes doing some mega adventures.
KTM Duke 125 is "adventure" enough and might be the best right now since Honda stopped making the Varadero. This one is to weak
I’ve not ridden a Duke 125. How does it compare?
@@OllieMoto He-e, I`ve not ridden the Sinnis but I know there is a "gap" between a 10-11hp bike and a 15hp
yuki 125I XTR is a same bike this made in china bikes are good but same brand different price ps they copy almost every popular bike lol yamaha ybr, honda groom, yamaha yzf 125 in the chinese brand to like a yuki sm125
Thought that might be the case.
163kg for a bike with 12hp is insane, a Yamaha xt250 is only 130kg
Yeah, it’s pretty heavy. As I said in the video (I think) it carries its weight well though and you don’t really notice it, but it’s still a lot of kg 😬
@@OllieMoto i wonder where all of the weight comes from? Like here in Brazil we have the xtz250 from 2018 it was a more off-road oriented bike with better suspension and less body panels, that version weighed 143kg, now they updated it to look like the bike in this video and it wheigs 153kg, most of it's components are exactly the sema even the motor, how could almost the same motorcycle wheigh 10kg more?
I honestly have no idea 🤷🏼♂️ I assumed it was all the panniers and protection, but maybe not then? It felt light to me but that’s because I normally ride a 990 😂
Small bike wa***r 🙂
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@@jakester3124 it was a joke. Olly has been on loads of podcasts including TAMP and as he rides a 990 mostly, he jokingly calls the other guys this all time.
Granted, without context, not a great comment.
@@davekane4809 oh haha got you I didn’t watch his other videos so didn’t know. Appreciate the reply back
@@jakester3124 no prob. With hindsight, not as funny as I thought at the time 🤣
BBW FTW... 😂😉
the problem the the combined braking is when you use the rear brake
So I was told. I use the rear a lot off-road and didn’t have any dramas at all 🤷🏼♂️
@@OllieMoto hhmm
i guess thats just me im a bicyclist so the idea of the linked brakes sketches me out