@@TheBdogup2 yessir. How many yoe do you have? The number of graduates with a degree has increased 47% since 2017 and 143% since 2011. There are more capable people than ever. I’m a cloud engineer heavily involved with the hiring process at my company. Most people without a degree and experience are fine assuming they have good sysadmin experience. Boot camp grads are a dime a dozen and are almost always useless unless you employ them in the exact tech stack they learned during bootcamp. They completely fail to adapt. While a CS degree will typically prepare you fundamentally for most CS related positions. I’ve worked for 7 different companies now, and while I’ll never require a degree, a bootcamp just doesn’t cut it
Housing market is outpacing incomes, so its the reverse. Wages for skilled workers is so high since no one would work in a place which eats up all of your earnings paying cost of living expenses (and even then you'll see cases where new tech people will live in tinyhouses or cars like in the bay area)
@@Medieval1-1 yeah directors of non-profits being treated like CEOs is kind of ridiculous when the rank and file workers there are usually overworked and underpaid compared to other similar jobs. I get there's some skill to managing any large organization and getting funding but I don't see how a lot of those housing/homeless assistance organizations justify those director salaries.
Yeah but you probably have enough to retire saved. Take a year off, travel, enjoy yourself, and then come back when the recession is ending and jobs are hiring again.
If you have 12 years of SW engineering experience more than likely you got a severance from your last job which should still be covering you for a while.
rainier square is like 6k a month and it’s one of the most expensive in the city. Seattle has tons of 2 bedrooms for 2800-4k. 1 bedroom right next to Pike Place for $2200. That’s like saying some apartments in New York go for 25k a month.
If it’s brand new building it’s a scam. They do that the 1st year it opens to see if anyone is dumb enough to move in at that rate. 1 year from now it’ll be much cheaper. They do that shit everywhere
@@jake16542 The really ridiculous thing is that it's not even a high-rise! it has an amazing view, but it's only 4 stories tall. Which means another new building will soon be built blocking its view altogether!
I live in and around Seattle. this dude isn't telling yall the whole story. he may have only been doing engineering for a years but he clearly has many years experience with computers. most of my friends are programmers and engineers and they don't make that much
I’m a software engineer. I played with computers since I was 10 but didn’t own one till I was 15. No, you don’t need to be a computer whiz. Aptitude and problem solving skills take you a long way. Some of the best software engineers I know aren’t even fast typers. Skills like math do correlate with an aptitude in programming
@@anthonywlee3122 I know it was a joke. Obviously neither of us know if he was actually laid off but the implication which is being passed around by a bunch of oblivious people is that salaries are in any way correlated to who gets picked in a layoff
@@anthonywlee3122 most tech companies aren't targeting specific developers but rather entire teams and orgs based on their product roadmaps. i.e they're getting rid of projects that they see less value in and realigning their product focuses Either that or other companies or doing "soft layoffs" by increasing the threshold of low performers that they fire Salaries of individual developers wouldn't matter anyway as every level has a fixed pay band. If they were targeting salaries you'd see all the senior engineers, managers, directors etc get laid off before any juniors
@anivia3 I think that's a bit of a value question. For example, they are not shutting down a project but downsizing it. They want to cut costs for this project by 200k. In this case, they might decide to cut 2 juniors or 1 senior. if project has many seniors, cutting a senior makes more sense. if there is 1 senior and 10 juniors, nobody will cut the main decision maker. So salaries do play a role. They are what determines the cost of the project
People who are saying bullshit don’t know what they are talking about. Yes, this is the going rate for a talented software engineer especially in Seattle (a major tech hub). How do I know? I’ve been in the same field for a decade now. Edit: wow didn’t know my comment would trigger so many broke people lol.
@@steveh5307 careful bro that was awfully convincing😂, I have an uncle who ended up doing software engineering for a while, he then started up his own business and now he makes bank from home. I’ve been contemplating either trying my own thing out whether it be trades etcetera or just biting the bullet and going to friggin school. Shit like this makes me think..
I live in Seattle too. Everybody I know in Seattle makes over a 100000. But what homie's not telling you is that I had to pay a million dollars for my house. You may get paid these absorbent amounts of money because the cost of living in Seattle is out of control. The tabs for my truck last year were $780. I charged $3000 a month from my rental houses... 200 grand in Seattle is not what it is anywhere else.
Seeing this makes me happy. I’m a data analyst with 1.5 years of experience and I got a job as a senior analyst paying me 135k. And it is also fully remote!
Congrats! My husband just got a new fully remote job as a software engineer making the same. I’m a weather observer so I have to be on site. I’m jealous.
Nah it's not cost of living isn't comparable the person living in a Midwest on 120k a year would be able to afford to live in a 3/4 bed house with garage and backyard but a person on 200k in nyc can barely afford a 2 bed apartment.
Very discouraged having been a Registered Nurse with a Bachelor's degree and 45 years of ICU, ER and Cardiac Cath Lab experience. I make 1/3 of what this inexperienced young man makes - and when I make a mistake people die.
TBH these high salaries will not last forever. For one, the market is being oversaturated with people who don't care about the field and are just trying to make a lot of money. Two, because of the recent tech layoffs, companies (hopefully) will learn their lesson after thinking that hiring as many software engineers as possible was a good way to grow the company. These salaries will eventually drop (possibly lower than what the average nurse makes now).
Yeah that wage is insane in most parts of the country but just guarantees you'll be able to rent a decent place in Seattle and maybe in a few years make a down-payment for a house 30 minutes outside the city.
As a software engineer living in Seattle, this salary is way more then you need to live in Seattle. Yeah, it's expensive. But 191k a year is still a LOT of fucking money.
This is actually the low end of an SDE. He’s probably SDE I or early II. As for experienced SDE II and III they’re in the $300 to upper 400. Don’t ask what an SDE P makes. I know because I’m in HR.
Of course you’re an engineer! There a lot of engineers out here in Seattle. Everywhere I go there are people who just moved into Seattle to work as engineers. Most of my friend are engineers lmao!
Software isn’t the easiest thing in the world, don’t buy into the hype. Research it yourself and see if you like it. I know many that quit cause they couldn’t stand it but just saw the big money and wanted in
People who think this is cap, just go lookup salaries in Seattle for a Software Engineer for a major tech company (Apple, Google, Meta). I think Amazon doesn’t pay as much in base salary but has more stock options.
Why is everyone freaking out? You bring proper skills and/or eduction to a major city and you know how to interview then you’ll make money. Seattle, SF, NYC. They’re all crazy expensive. Unless you work full remote, then you’re kind of stuck there. Yeah you can get a house or apartment for a lot cheaper, but people don’t necessarily want to live in that state or the opportunities just aren’t as plentiful.
When he says he’s been doing it for a year now it’s more important to ask what he means by that instead of a generic question like “do you like it?” Did he get a 4 year CS degree (and possibly graduate degree) or did he literally start writing code 12 months ago?
Definitely has a degree, and his experience could be longer than a year. He may have only been writing code for a year but could’ve had internships or other job previously as well he said he’s been engineering a year. This definitely doesn’t give us the whole picture
Me and 17 of my family members from Samolia went to Seattle. We all got our own house EBT food stamps, free medical and monthly check for 1400 with utilities paid. We’re so glad we went to Olympia, Spokane and Bellevue.
I promise you, it’s not worth it being in Seattle. The economy is crashing in on itself. But that’s what happens when businesses leave because petty theft is okay to do.
I became a software engineer 30 years ago. Retired 3 years ago. Back when i started, salaries were not like this, even inflation adjusted. I wish i were a young man starting out now.
When you think despairingly of the state of US education, consider this man's youth and salary and the national average starting salary for teachers of $38,000 and a total average, including decades of experience, of $48,000. Teaching ranks are composed of those who truly love the profession (comparatively few) and those who are not the sharpest pencils in the box (the majority, I think). - Observations from decades of teaching in some of the toughest urban schools in the country.
That’s why there’s a shortage and mid career teachers are leaving in droves. Even those that love it long term realize it’s not worth the stress and there’s no money - never was and especially not now. The statement: “you do it for the outcome and not the income” doesn’t pay your bills or provide for your family or help buy a home.
It isn’t what you make , it what you get for money . I makes about 60 % of what he does but my house was paid off within 10 years and I have no car payment .
@@steveh5307 no you absolutely cannot go to 200k with just a college degree. You either gotta be really good at top 1% of all software developers to starting hitting thay high immediately. You clearly aren't in this field
People salty. Just to be clear this is the compensation new engineers get mainly only at top tech companies and unicorns. Since it’s Seattle most likely Amazon or Microsoft. You can guess which based on the stock
@@EzeAsuoha It's well known in the industry that Amazon has a "back loaded" vesting schedule for stocks -- which means you receive 5/15/40/40% of your stock compensation over four years. He only gets paid 5k in stocks, so he's still within the first year of joining Amazon. His base salary is as high as you can be for his level though.
There’s a trade off tho. A lot of time is spent becoming a good coder. A comp Sci degree helps but what makes you a good coder is practicing in your free time. The commitment is incredibly arduous but the payoff is great
I live in a small affordablel town across the bay. I would never live in Seattle even if I could afford it. It has changed especially since Antifa and BLM ruined it and the homeless issue along with drugs increased. I used to go there for games or fun. Not anymore.
Ahhh Seattle, I live right across the water a 30 min ferry ride for free. Get to enjoy the forest and the city in one. Look into kitsap county it’s about half as expensive. Still expensive regardless with a median home price of 500k. Dad got in our house for 100k now it’s worth 550 living pretty aight. Come thru my boy
@@Eli-wu9zu kitsap is where it's at. I used to enjoy taking the ferry to seattle a couple times a year for games and such but it's almost always a shitty experience now when I end up over there. I'd rather go in the woods than the city anyway lol
bro dont im moving out in a few days to arizona this place is the biggest shithole in the entire country just move to san francisco its pretty much the exact same except at least its sunny sometimes
How long before he is part of those “tech layoffs” with a $191K target on his head and several extremely less paid employees in the company that can do the same job?
@@2011hwalker 😂😂😂😂 really bro??? Go check the stats again. And if you're unable to then please come back ask me. HR is the last profession to get laid they already are very few HRs in an organisation. Software Engineering is highest layoff category m
@@Creoles.nature The Seattle Secret Beach at end of 39th Ave and E.Harrison near Denny Blaine Park. Wanna enjoy the stunning view with someone special 🤩🎉🥳?
Clearly you don’t know Chat GPTs capabilities or what a software engineer does. It’s not even close to capable to doing 50% let alone 90% of his job. It can currently help save him some time by writing smaller scripts or programs to be used in his job and that’s about it. Otherwise it’s a better version of google. Maybe in ten years
I’m a software engineer in Southern California and make $175,000, no bonuses and no stock, with way more experience than this guy has. His salary is not typical.
dude I make the same amount as a SWE with a CS degree but you can still get into tech with a different major. $13k/m sounds like a lot but it's not that absurd once you make it. I have a cousin who works as a technician in a power plant who makes the exact same and far less stressful
Like how reluctant people are to agree there is good work life balance. You can tell how little work occupies their mind and their time lol Y'all should be grateful, you have no idea lmao
My Dad is a software engineer and his base pay was 50k a year. I know salaries vary based on location and year of employment, but this is such a huge difference. Even as the lead software engineer, he makes less than this guy.
My brother is a software engineer and I always tell him to teach me to code and he just ignores me. I’m roofing out here in Seattle but I don’t wanna work a rough job all my life.
@@israelafangideh my brother was spoiled by my parents and always got what he wanted. Now my parents are gone and the impact shows hard. I just bought a laptop I’m gonna start watching some tutorials and start better understanding the coding world
@@Rickyrockredcorn209 you can get into web development, it's a good start. Or if you're not into that, you can do analytics and data science in python. It's not software engineering, but it's close and has similar salaries. All the best 💖
@@rd24life It’s an unfair world we live in, but we don’t make the rules. We just have to live by them. Best to get on the gravy train while it’s still hot
@@KurlandHickory hey i am starting my CS degree this year and this all hype around AI is making me anxious. Someone told me dont do this you all will be replaced by AI. Ig you can tell me if this is true or not as you're in this field😓
@@YASH-cz6ir bro who’s going to work the ai ? Is the ai gonna one day know how to serve billions of people on earth ? Is the ai going to know how perfectly write code for every single problem I’m having without me having to say a word?Human emotion and empathy in this process is highly undervalued/underrated ..
If they were paying scrubs like you that much money, then yea, they would be going out of business soon, however top talent get paid top dolars. Also my cousin works at boeing and he is a electrical engineer and he makes almost 300k a year. If you include his compensation on top of his salary, he makes over 300k. Also even crap hoomes out here cost over a million. In order for that to happen, the salary of the area has to be enough to drive up the home prices. Sounds like your not too bright.
160+28+5=191
True engineer.
😂 I was like hey isn’t that $193k.
@@nibabi As a 3rd year engineering student, I can attest that it's equal to anything between 190k and 195k
@@lynef xD accumulator register overflow
But W salary if he‘s just starting !
Bonus and stock is variable. Maybe he made 191 this year but often gets different amounts
More important than the advice to "stay in school" it's to pick the right profession
Yep, if your major is gender studies.... it's hard for me to see you making a 160k base salary
You can honestly make this much or more as a software engineer without getting a degree
@@coryortega2050 no. Just don’t
@@ducks-on-quack I mean, I’m a systems engineer making $110k without a degree. And I’ve gotten offers for $140-160k
@@TheBdogup2 yessir. How many yoe do you have?
The number of graduates with a degree has increased 47% since 2017 and 143% since 2011. There are more capable people than ever.
I’m a cloud engineer heavily involved with the hiring process at my company. Most people without a degree and experience are fine assuming they have good sysadmin experience.
Boot camp grads are a dime a dozen and are almost always useless unless you employ them in the exact tech stack they learned during bootcamp. They completely fail to adapt.
While a CS degree will typically prepare you fundamentally for most CS related positions.
I’ve worked for 7 different companies now, and while I’ll never require a degree, a bootcamp just doesn’t cut it
And now we know what happened to the housing market.
Housing market is outpacing incomes, so its the reverse. Wages for skilled workers is so high since no one would work in a place which eats up all of your earnings paying cost of living expenses (and even then you'll see cases where new tech people will live in tinyhouses or cars like in the bay area)
@@Medieval1-1 yeah directors of non-profits being treated like CEOs is kind of ridiculous when the rank and file workers there are usually overworked and underpaid compared to other similar jobs. I get there's some skill to managing any large organization and getting funding but I don't see how a lot of those housing/homeless assistance organizations justify those director salaries.
@@greenbrickbox3392 housing supply is low. Not enough being built around Seattle
Destroyed seattle
2009?
I have 12 years of SW engineering experience and two masters, I make 0 $ because I just got laid off during the mass layoffs.
Yeah but you probably have enough to retire saved. Take a year off, travel, enjoy yourself, and then come back when the recession is ending and jobs are hiring again.
Well it's time to party then wtf
How much were you making prior to being laid off?
15 years of data stuff and then retired 😂
If you have 12 years of SW engineering experience more than likely you got a severance from your last job which should still be covering you for a while.
I live in downtown Seattle. An apartment building just opened up a couple blocks away. Two BR/Two Bath - $7995/mo.
That’s insane
rainier square is like 6k a month and it’s one of the most expensive in the city. Seattle has tons of 2 bedrooms for 2800-4k.
1 bedroom right next to Pike Place for $2200.
That’s like saying some apartments in New York go for 25k a month.
If it’s brand new building it’s a scam. They do that the 1st year it opens to see if anyone is dumb enough to move in at that rate. 1 year from now it’ll be much cheaper. They do that shit everywhere
@@jake16542 The really ridiculous thing is that it's not even a high-rise! it has an amazing view, but it's only 4 stories tall. Which means another new building will soon be built blocking its view altogether!
@@coreysacken the fact that you think those are good prices... good fucking god.
I live in and around Seattle. this dude isn't telling yall the whole story. he may have only been doing engineering for a years but he clearly has many years experience with computers. most of my friends are programmers and engineers and they don't make that much
I’m a software engineer. I played with computers since I was 10 but didn’t own one till I was 15. No, you don’t need to be a computer whiz. Aptitude and problem solving skills take you a long way. Some of the best software engineers I know aren’t even fast typers. Skills like math do correlate with an aptitude in programming
Sadly… he was the first one to go during the layoffs.
@@anivia3 it was a joke, one that went over your head.
@@anthonywlee3122 I know it was a joke. Obviously neither of us know if he was actually laid off but the implication which is being passed around by a bunch of oblivious people is that salaries are in any way correlated to who gets picked in a layoff
@@anivia3how is it not? You’re telling me that, with 100% certainty, salaries are not taken into account when deciding who gets laid off or not?
@@anthonywlee3122 most tech companies aren't targeting specific developers but rather entire teams and orgs based on their product roadmaps. i.e they're getting rid of projects that they see less value in and realigning their product focuses
Either that or other companies or doing "soft layoffs" by increasing the threshold of low performers that they fire
Salaries of individual developers wouldn't matter anyway as every level has a fixed pay band. If they were targeting salaries you'd see all the senior engineers, managers, directors etc get laid off before any juniors
@anivia3 I think that's a bit of a value question. For example, they are not shutting down a project but downsizing it. They want to cut costs for this project by 200k. In this case, they might decide to cut 2 juniors or 1 senior. if project has many seniors, cutting a senior makes more sense. if there is 1 senior and 10 juniors, nobody will cut the main decision maker. So salaries do play a role. They are what determines the cost of the project
People who are saying bullshit don’t know what they are talking about. Yes, this is the going rate for a talented software engineer especially in Seattle (a major tech hub). How do I know? I’ve been in the same field for a decade now.
Edit: wow didn’t know my comment would trigger so many broke people lol.
@@steveh5307 careful bro that was awfully convincing😂, I have an uncle who ended up doing software engineering for a while, he then started up his own business and now he makes bank from home. I’ve been contemplating either trying my own thing out whether it be trades etcetera or just biting the bullet and going to friggin school. Shit like this makes me think..
Lol he said he's been doing it for a year so yes he's full of shit. $100k-$140k with his experience makes more sense.
@@yammyking22 no , google , Microsoft , Amazon all start you off at 160 and higher , I work in the industry , you just don’t have a clue
@Loki you named 3 companies lol you're an idiot. I'm betting you're not even in the industry. Trying to act like you know something...🤣🤣
Avoid bad language 👍
This is exactly why I can't afford my lunch break or anything in Seattle!
Always fun to watch videos of people talking about how much money they make. 👍🏻
160k base, he must work at Amazon
Yeah it has to be a FAANG company
I live in Seattle too. Everybody I know in Seattle makes over a 100000. But what homie's not telling you is that I had to pay a million dollars for my house. You may get paid these absorbent amounts of money because the cost of living in Seattle is out of control. The tabs for my truck last year were $780. I charged $3000 a month from my rental houses... 200 grand in Seattle is not what it is anywhere else.
And groceries are hella expensive and to top it off a stupid High sales tax
“Tabs” 😂 obviously someone from WA
@@Eric-kz9bk Wym
@@Eric-kz9bk I guess your right because ive never heard of tabs. In tx we call em tags
The DMV website literally calls them tabs.
Seeing this makes me happy. I’m a data analyst with 1.5 years of experience and I got a job as a senior analyst paying me 135k. And it is also fully remote!
Are they still hiring 😅
That's really good for a data analyst! What industry?
@@o0laieta0o financial advisory
@@davidyolchuyev2905 oh that makes sense
Congrats! My husband just got a new fully remote job as a software engineer making the same. I’m a weather observer so I have to be on site. I’m jealous.
Cost of living is jacked. I lived in NYC, made about the same, but it’s like 120k in a standard Midwest town.
Nah it's not cost of living isn't comparable the person living in a Midwest on 120k a year would be able to afford to live in a 3/4 bed house with garage and backyard but a person on 200k in nyc can barely afford a 2 bed apartment.
i would be set if i made 120k. i would be able to get a fcking mansion...
Very discouraged having been a Registered Nurse with a Bachelor's degree and 45 years of ICU, ER and Cardiac Cath Lab experience. I make 1/3 of what this inexperienced young man makes - and when I make a mistake people die.
TBH these high salaries will not last forever. For one, the market is being oversaturated with people who don't care about the field and are just trying to make a lot of money. Two, because of the recent tech layoffs, companies (hopefully) will learn their lesson after thinking that hiring as many software engineers as possible was a good way to grow the company. These salaries will eventually drop (possibly lower than what the average nurse makes now).
Lmao should have been a doctor if u care about money doctors get paided more than double than u for working way less get fucked
@@pharma37 what do you do?
Move. My bestie makes 85 with ICU and Ear exp (7yrs)
Amennn
Rich people moving in Seattle is why I can’t afford to pay rent
No, it's the fault of Land Management for not allowing property development. There is a lot of undeveloped land east of Seattle.
Yeah just turn every open space in the US into Ghana 🤡
Um, hate to break it to you a 190k is not rich definitely not for a software engineer.
@@originalDVJ did you know that 173k is enough to put you to the top 10% earners in America? I would think out-earning 90% of people is rich.
Make better life choices buddy.
People don’t understand the cost of living in way higher in Seattle lol. Cmon now….
Yeah that wage is insane in most parts of the country but just guarantees you'll be able to rent a decent place in Seattle and maybe in a few years make a down-payment for a house 30 minutes outside the city.
As a software engineer living in Seattle, this salary is way more then you need to live in Seattle. Yeah, it's expensive. But 191k a year is still a LOT of fucking money.
191k is insane anywhere. I think we are all just jealous and want to rationalize it
This is actually the low end of an SDE. He’s probably SDE I or early II. As for experienced SDE II and III they’re in the $300 to upper 400. Don’t ask what an SDE P makes. I know because I’m in HR.
What are technical project managers making?
@@RealEstateClub- depends on the company. Some companies put them on engineer pay scale and others don’t.
Only in FAANG. For those of us working at small to medium sized companies that is far from normal.
You really didn't listen when he mentioned his 1 year exp.
Of course you’re an engineer! There a lot of engineers out here in Seattle. Everywhere I go there are people who just moved into Seattle to work as engineers. Most of my friend are engineers lmao!
That's not a good sign.
Thank you for clarifying base vs package. I appreciate it.
Man, y'all Americans got some income. A year and he's doing 190, I been in this shit for 4 years and I make 40 tops
Because we have zero benefits
And the best part, he dresses and acts like a normal humble man. No flashiness whatsoever
After three year they can make 400K
@@a.s.631
Bro send me 5k man wtf!!
Haha he probably doesn’t even know he makes a lot of money. I know these Asian and Indian guys don’t.
That's pretty typical for software engineers. They are typically pretty understated introverts.
Software isn’t the easiest thing in the world, don’t buy into the hype. Research it yourself and see if you like it. I know many that quit cause they couldn’t stand it but just saw the big money and wanted in
You got some balls being on 3rd & Pine.
Yeah, watch out for the engineers…
It's OK during the day.
Just don't be a bitch 😂
People who think this is cap, just go lookup salaries in Seattle for a Software Engineer for a major tech company (Apple, Google, Meta). I think Amazon doesn’t pay as much in base salary but has more stock options.
fwiw i’ve lived in seattle on 30K a year. it’s not as easy to find places but it’s definitely possible.
In 1999? Good luck 😂
Why is everyone freaking out? You bring proper skills and/or eduction to a major city and you know how to interview then you’ll make money. Seattle, SF, NYC. They’re all crazy expensive. Unless you work full remote, then you’re kind of stuck there. Yeah you can get a house or apartment for a lot cheaper, but people don’t necessarily want to live in that state or the opportunities just aren’t as plentiful.
But Seattle is a dumpster fire
When he says he’s been doing it for a year now it’s more important to ask what he means by that instead of a generic question like “do you like it?” Did he get a 4 year CS degree (and possibly graduate degree) or did he literally start writing code 12 months ago?
Definitely has a degree, and his experience could be longer than a year. He may have only been writing code for a year but could’ve had internships or other job previously as well he said he’s been engineering a year. This definitely doesn’t give us the whole picture
@@TheAwesomeness1123How did you determine he has a degree?
Me and 17 of my family members from Samolia went to Seattle. We all got our own house EBT food stamps, free medical and monthly check for 1400 with utilities paid. We’re so glad we went to Olympia, Spokane and Bellevue.
I promise you, it’s not worth it being in Seattle. The economy is crashing in on itself. But that’s what happens when businesses leave because petty theft is okay to do.
Yeah Seattles insane. Fuck that place. If you go there watch your step, you might step in human shit on the sidewalk or a heroin/fentanyl needle
Petty theft starts to make more sense when all the people around you are overpaid assholes...
I became a software engineer 30 years ago. Retired 3 years ago. Back when i started, salaries were not like this, even inflation adjusted. I wish i were a young man starting out now.
He's 100% accurate, but given all the recent tech layoffs that hit software engineering the hardest, he might be making $0 now.
Slim chance
Even if you get laid off another company will scoop you up in a week or two. And working remote is a thing so location doesn’t matter
@@L0kias1 If only that were true. The tech recession we're in is very real right now. I have many, talent tech friends out of work.
Cope, unfortunately.
Programming is ALWAYS useful and marketable skillset
Great personality. Gets people to open and talk about how much money they're making. In a capitalist society, that is key.
When you think despairingly of the state of US education, consider this man's youth and salary and the national average starting salary for teachers of $38,000 and a total average, including decades of experience, of $48,000. Teaching ranks are composed of those who truly love the profession (comparatively few) and those who are not the sharpest pencils in the box (the majority, I think). - Observations from decades of teaching in some of the toughest urban schools in the country.
That’s why there’s a shortage and mid career teachers are leaving in droves. Even those that love it long term realize it’s not worth the stress and there’s no money - never was and especially not now. The statement: “you do it for the outcome and not the income” doesn’t pay your bills or provide for your family or help buy a home.
It isn’t what you make , it what you get for money . I makes about 60 % of what he does but my house was paid off within 10 years and I have no car payment .
I’m a software engineer. Looking forward to making such amount 💕
How long? I think this guy probably been coding since he was 5
@@ecmz96 that's not how that works
@@steveh5307 no you absolutely cannot go to 200k with just a college degree. You either gotta be really good at top 1% of all software developers to starting hitting thay high immediately. You clearly aren't in this field
you have to factor in cost of living. Seattle, SF, NYC etc are tech hubs with high rents. 190k in Seattle is like making 130k in Atlanta.
@@jaclrossrick6327 just a data point,but I dropped out and make over 200k with about 3 years exp. So it’s totally possible :)
I believe him. According to cost of living calculator, 120k Dallas is about 200k Seattle.. When the hell Seattle gotten so expensive?!! damn
Lol when the woman in charge of homelessness makes more.
Guy is doing well. Granted his salary is adjusted for the cost of living but this is something anyone who got Bs in highschool can do
My classic old car in the background. 3g Acura TL!
He doesn't like it he just knows he can't say anything else because his employer will probably see this
You know him? 😂 maybe he does like it
@@Atlas92936 good one
Posture proves he ain't lying
And that's why honest workers can't afford a house.... Or even rent... Good for him bad for the area🖤
Seattle’s amazing
@@thebrightestdevotedfly7632 it was better before the Eastside turned into Mumbai india
@VishyTheFishy Interviews then you are blind.
@@marshalljohnson8117 have you been?
@@agawied2910 I live in Seattle.
Plumber in Seattle
160K plus full medical and retirement after 5 year paid apprenticeship.
Work 5 years and then retire?
Holly, SW engineer only gets about CA$90K on average in Canada. That's US$65K. I'm moving to the US.
The market is over saturated with software engineers, that's almost 100 an hour. Doesn't make sense.
People salty. Just to be clear this is the compensation new engineers get mainly only at top tech companies and unicorns. Since it’s Seattle most likely Amazon or Microsoft. You can guess which based on the stock
It's Amazon 🤣
@@stevenwang2212 yup😂
@@stevenwang2212 how u know?
@@EzeAsuoha It's well known in the industry that Amazon has a "back loaded" vesting schedule for stocks -- which means you receive 5/15/40/40% of your stock compensation over four years. He only gets paid 5k in stocks, so he's still within the first year of joining Amazon. His base salary is as high as you can be for his level though.
Crazy. I'm a SWE in the UK with 6 years experience and i only earn 50k. Mfs in the US are JUNIOR engineers and they are on 90k.
Sounds like I'm changing my major..
There’s a trade off tho. A lot of time is spent becoming a good coder. A comp Sci degree helps but what makes you a good coder is practicing in your free time. The commitment is incredibly arduous but the payoff is great
Programming Is dead
@@disagiato9391very much alive
Yeah, I earn 191K as an engineer and can't even add numbers. Sounds legit.
No work life balance for most software engineers. You will be thinking about your work all the time.
Not for those in faang
Hey, I thought about my work constantly for 42 years. I missed out on a lot in life.
are you a software engineer
@@jamillikan
@@yashrajdixit4412 Does that matter???
Amazon & Meta yea. Microsoft No outside of Teams and Azure. Google No outside of GCP and specific teams.
Who else lives in Seattle WA🗿
Seattle is a shitehole run by criminals. Ya, I live outside Seattle and refuse to go there for anything.
I live in a small affordablel town across the bay. I would never live in Seattle even if I could afford it. It has changed especially since Antifa and BLM ruined it and the homeless issue along with drugs increased. I used to go there for games or fun. Not anymore.
I hate how Amazon is forcing people to move to Seattle or "volunteer" for retirement.
Until he said Seattle I immediately converted it to a normal state and city
Only a year?! He must be a real talent because wtf
As a senior engineer I can tell you he's probably not. I didn't know what I was doing for years
That’s the starting salary around here. A partner makes around $700K a year. Ask me how I know.
Nope. Some new grads make over $200k with very little experience.
(Of course, now you understand why there’s so many layoffs in tech)
@@KevinRedmondWA how do you know?
Yasss love to hear the breakdown of comp
he knows how to use imaginary numbers, true software engineer
Ahh seattle, hopefully I can get myself to a point in life where I can live around the area comfortably😂.
Ahhh Seattle, I live right across the water a 30 min ferry ride for free. Get to enjoy the forest and the city in one. Look into kitsap county it’s about half as expensive. Still expensive regardless with a median home price of 500k. Dad got in our house for 100k now it’s worth 550 living pretty aight. Come thru my boy
@@Eli-wu9zu haven’t heard of kitsap county before, I’ll see what’s up. Love the islands nd shi across the water though, thanks for sharing homie.
@@Eli-wu9zu kitsap is where it's at. I used to enjoy taking the ferry to seattle a couple times a year for games and such but it's almost always a shitty experience now when I end up over there. I'd rather go in the woods than the city anyway lol
@@chaziztheman I agree
bro dont im moving out in a few days to arizona this place is the biggest shithole in the entire country just move to san francisco its pretty much the exact same except at least its sunny sometimes
Don't be fooled by the city itself. Seattle is seriously a messed up place.
Is it though? It’s quite nice
My best friend has been a software engineer here in Seattle for 8 years and doesn’t make that much lol
He’s lying
because he sucks.
@@dhananjaysguitarcovers9296 hes not lying. Even smaller companies like palantir could offer over 150usd for fresh out of school grads
I live in Seattle, and yes they certainly do.
Your best friend needs to find a new job asap
Damn why all the hate lol he is a fine gentleman making his money.
191,000 for a 1st year software engineer...1st year!
That's crazy
What’s typical
@@JamminWithJer - not six figures for no experience.
@@JamminWithJer no that’s not topical at all unless you start as a l3 at a large company
The scam is all the student loan debit and a shit hole apartment for 5k a month.
He needs to get into the business of housing homeless, with no houses to house them, the non profits pays $242,000 a year.
In 2-3 years he’ll be making that
Awesome!!
Ctrl+c
Ctrl+v
Ya me too
This is why you encourage your kids to go to college to be engineers and not into the trades. Engineers will obsolesce the trades.
Damn. I gotta learn software engineering
Im sure you already know how to sit in a chair and do nothing
@@TR-sg9jc i am doing that ,where is my 191k?
@@TR-sg9jcThank you for reminding people why education is important
Trust me, as someone with 5 years in the game 191K isn't the norm. Most jobs are well below 100k, especially for 1 yr experience.
No Bro chatgpt will replace
I thought it’s normal to be paid $160-250k a year for an IT engineer in Seattle?
How long before he is part of those “tech layoffs” with a $191K target on his head and several extremely less paid employees in the company that can do the same job?
software engineers havent been massively affected, look closely at the layoffs and its generally recruiters and HR that got trimmed.
@@2011hwalker broooooo you're really but hurt, please do some research my mannnn😂😂😂😂
Such a distorted pay scale…..this truly ruined Seattle’s housing market. Does this man still have a job with all the layoffs?
He is going to be the first one laid off
Oh look, a broke person praying on a successful persons demise. How original
How grinding the job is? Is the work life balance good or is it always work?
I wonder if he’s part of the 40k in Seattle that have been let go now
nah, its mostly HR and peripheral roles that got fired.
@@2011hwalker 😂😂😂😂 really bro??? Go check the stats again. And if you're unable to then please come back ask me. HR is the last profession to get laid they already are very few HRs in an organisation. Software Engineering is highest layoff category m
That'll afford him a studio apartment and some food throught the week in Seattle. Poor bastard.
Whaaaaaaat I model in Seattle.......it's nice here
🥳🤩🥰
Its worth going to hidden spots of Seattle 🤠
@@RoshanHalwai like where?
@@Creoles.nature The Seattle Secret Beach at end of 39th Ave and E.Harrison near Denny Blaine Park.
Wanna enjoy the stunning view with someone special 🤩🎉🥳?
@@RoshanHalwai I might pop up there one of these Sundays but be warned I'm 5'11
I wonder if that salary will change now that Chat GPT can do 90% of his job
He’s likely using it as a tool to make himself better. You don’t know what you’re talking about.
You truly don't know what a software engineer does, do you? 😂
Clearly you don’t know Chat GPTs capabilities or what a software engineer does. It’s not even close to capable to doing 50% let alone 90% of his job. It can currently help save him some time by writing smaller scripts or programs to be used in his job and that’s about it. Otherwise it’s a better version of google. Maybe in ten years
Seattle is a huge tech market and more expensive to live so he’s probably a SE for Microsoft or Amazon
Work life balance: yeah.(pain inside)
I don’t think any tech company pays 190 grands for a programmer with only a year of experience.
I’m a software engineer in Southern California and make $175,000, no bonuses and no stock, with way more experience than this guy has. His salary is not typical.
Oh shi- I’m just right around the corner from that place.
The only time where it's socially acceptable for a woman to go up to a random guy and ask them how much they make
Couldn't pay me a million a month to live in Seattle
Same. Horrible 😅😅😅
Seattles amazing
He’ll get the real image soon, been here for 18 years and it’s about time to pack my shit up and head to a state with less people 😂
No one cares where you live
Stay poor I guess
This video and a dear friend inspired me to consider being a software engineer
Oversaturated market and its collapsing now.
Please do an indeed job search to get a realistic salary range first. 191K is anything but the average.
Damn there are so many salty people in the comment section, mad about the dude salary😂💀💀.
😂😂
I picked the wrong major clearly. Absurd salaries.
dude I make the same amount as a SWE with a CS degree but you can still get into tech with a different major. $13k/m sounds like a lot but it's not that absurd once you make it. I have a cousin who works as a technician in a power plant who makes the exact same and far less stressful
You’re looking at the reason housing is so expensive
Like how reluctant people are to agree there is good work life balance. You can tell how little work occupies their mind and their time lol Y'all should be grateful, you have no idea lmao
Next you can interview chatgpt AI 😅
My Dad is a software engineer and his base pay was 50k a year. I know salaries vary based on location and year of employment, but this is such a huge difference. Even as the lead software engineer, he makes less than this guy.
My brother is a software engineer and I always tell him to teach me to code and he just ignores me. I’m roofing out here in Seattle but I don’t wanna work a rough job all my life.
Lol, if you were my brother I’d teach you
@@israelafangideh my brother was spoiled by my parents and always got what he wanted. Now my parents are gone and the impact shows hard. I just bought a laptop I’m gonna start watching some tutorials and start better understanding the coding world
@@israelafangideh oh nice man thank you I really appreciate it!
Look up Odin project
@@Rickyrockredcorn209 you can get into web development, it's a good start. Or if you're not into that, you can do analytics and data science in python. It's not software engineering, but it's close and has similar salaries. All the best 💖
That's insane.
It's not true. LoL. Just a vid bud
@@koalaed9607no that’s pretty standard. I live in Seattle. Not a SWE, just a student, but I know entry level software engineers making $200k
5k in stock; it feels like you got scammed. Stock must be a 1:1 or 1/2:1 ratio to your base
Tech is by far the most overpaid career for the skills required. I'm not complaining though, I'm also a Computer Science guy XD
@@rd24life It’s an unfair world we live in, but we don’t make the rules. We just have to live by them. Best to get on the gravy train while it’s still hot
@@KurlandHickory hey i am starting my CS degree this year and this all hype around AI is making me anxious. Someone told me dont do this you all will be replaced by AI. Ig you can tell me if this is true or not as you're in this field😓
@@YASH-cz6ir Not true, that AI isn’t going to develop itself.
@@YASH-cz6ir bro who’s going to work the ai ? Is the ai gonna one day know how to serve billions of people on earth ? Is the ai going to know how perfectly write code for every single problem I’m having without me having to say a word?Human emotion and empathy in this process is highly undervalued/underrated ..
@@rd24life I agree .. ai is a secretary at best
What company does this guy work for cuz they're going out of business soon if they pay entry level people 190k.
If they were paying scrubs like you that much money, then yea, they would be going out of business soon, however top talent get paid top dolars. Also my cousin works at boeing and he is a electrical engineer and he makes almost 300k a year. If you include his compensation on top of his salary, he makes over 300k. Also even crap hoomes out here cost over a million. In order for that to happen, the salary of the area has to be enough to drive up the home prices. Sounds like your not too bright.
Gallon of milk cost 15 dollars in Seattle 😂😂😂
Where at? I can imagine there's fancy organic grass fed raw milk that's $15/gal, but regular milk at Safeway or QFC is about $3.79/gal.
@@youztuber5000 wow someone actually read my comment. Exploded
Oh how times have changed!
Orange sweater was EATING HIM UP BABAY
And now he’s laid off