Totally agree with you, blizzard is just trying to get back old players, i stopped playing legion the legendary system was stupid, i am done with this expansion.
Who the fuck played WoW for PvP ever? The imbalances in early wow (vanilla, tbc) was just too great and afterwards pvp was just shit. So yeah. And C E, no why? They made a lot of changes that needed to happen.
What? I said that it was the best they released. No, I am far older than that. I was 16 when they released vanilla and because of that I have lived through vanilla, TBC, Wotlk, cataclysm and half of MoP. Never played WoD but started at legion release. I think legion is by far the best experience I have had with WoW. Vanills and TBC was just pure crap because of the imbalance of specs. WotLK was very good though.
alt-ing and multiclass-ing aswell have become cancer with Legion. I wouldn't even have use for BoA legos bc my alts are way less progressed so to make an impact.
The thing that’s gotten to me most in Legion is that it feels like you HAVE to do too many things as opposed to WANTING to do them. It’s to the point that there’s nothing I want to do anymore. If the content was fun and enjoyable it would be one thing, but none of it is.
This isn't new. Blizzard always overdoes everything when it comes to requested content. People liked the dailies in Cataclyms, so they made you do dailies before you could do dailies in MOP. People hated dailies in MOP, so they erased every trace of dailies in WOD. People complained about nothing to do in WOD, so they make you do quest after dungeon after raid after quest after dungeon after raid.
So why do you continue to play, I use to play clash of clans religiously until I got tired of the time gating behind my entire base. What I didn't do is sit on youtube channels or COC forums and complain about how its not fun and that I think its a dumb game. Wow is a game you can play until its not fun anymore then you can leave. The problem most players have is they only want to play the game one way and when they burn themselves out on that they ignore all the small things you can also do in the game and quit.
Not sure if you're replying to me specifically, but I play because the issues that I've mentioned didn't affect me directly. I merely observe the changes and think, "lolsrsly?" The legendary system is hilariously bad, but overall Legion has been a net positive experience for me. I assume that's the same for everyone else that criticizes the game while still playing it. That's not to say that there haven't been changes that resulted in me quitting for a time (DH one-shot Mana Break comes to mind).
Mackenzie Reeves I just re subscribed and I feel exactly like this. I am forced to quest endlessly... Or farm mythic +. Not to mention how dead my sever is and no one ever talks game is dead and the few who do talk agree
As someone who is more than willing to regularly play other games, I bank on Blizzard making WoW incredibly easy later in the xpac. It allows me to come mow everything down and experience the full expansion in easy mode. I get that this is the very thing you're against, but they've done it since MoP... until they stop doing it, I'd be stupid to waste my time and money on anything before the final content patch!
regardless of how good the legendary you get for your spec is, they are ALL welfare legendaries when compared to ACTUAL legendaries of expansions past. Might as well just recolor these to purple and give them a higher ilvl
I agree, the system is already in the toilet so why not make things less annoying for people now that it doesn't matter. On the other hand yes, Blizzard keeps revamping character progression so that the longer you wait the easier things are to a ridiculous degree which cheapens the whole RPG experience. I like Legion more than WoD, and I hope Battle for Azeroth continues to improve the game with the lessons learned this expansion.
I admire your optimism, Asmon. Unfortunately, I think issues like this will be endemic to WoW for however long they stick with this new design philosophy. Lots of really pointless grinds and adding RNG into everything are how they've been able to sustain themselves thus far, after all. It's easier and more cost effective to make players spend ten years doing the same thing than it is giving them something new every ten months. As for the legendary token system, I'm glad it's around. The previous model of forcing a player to pick up all the legendaries for their class before such options became available at all was a terrible, terrible idea. That being said, if I was going to nitpick anything, it'd be that I wish they'd simply allow players to purchase specific legendaries. As good as the tokens are, they're still going to be a grind and there's still a heavy degree of luck involved. Ah, well. At least the grind for legendaries is finally under the player's control and less about slot machine nonsense. That's a start.
The problem is not the legendary system. The problem is that some of them are wayyyyyyyyyyy better than some others and some of them are completely useless or very situational. They only had to make a couple reallllly good one per spec (like 4 or 5) and have a way to get them slowly but surely (via grinding a currency or long quests) as bad luck protection.
Benoit Levesque i think the underlying issue is that you never felt like you had your full potential and it was gated by something so rng reliant. a bad legendary could make it so your guild doesnt use u for raid, etc
exactly. some of them are so niche that they are basically required to even the play the spec properly. for example, spriest is absolute trash without the belt or sephus in comparison to the same spriest sitting next to you with them. the system fucking sucked from the get go.
To add more: Legion and its RNG-everywhere systems pretty much nailed my decision to just go away from the game and in BOA i'll just wait until the expansion is on its last patch and on sale to buy it and play it for a month or two with all the catch-up mechanisms fully in place so i can enjoy the content without the gating, padding and delaying they do at the beginning.
That is what they are teaching the majority of the player base. Hell you can buy gold from blizzard themselves. So you can wait till the end of the expansion, spend a little bit more money to get carried through aotc to be decently geared and obtain the mount that they started attuning with aotc. And after all that you can enjoy the expansion with all the stupid blizzard gatekeeping removed. Just to do the math: AOTC is currently going for 700k-800k gold (2mil for a full heroic run, but why do that?) A token, $20, nets you 180k gold. Assuming you save up some gold, you can get an AOTC with $60 + expansion cost + subscription. Usually when the expansion at the end it is like 15, so 60+15+15=$90 to enjoy not being screwed over by the system. Or you can buy the expansion $60, spend 18 months of subscription (270 if you are paying month to month), if you can't get the rng on your side you may still have to pay for a carry $60. So $390 to have the same amount of content while also slogging hours and hours of grinding with few moments of enjoyment sprinkled about hours and hours of frustration. And if they remove the catch up system all together, the only counter argument I can see to people waiting, then people will just not come back. The philosophy in game design is dumb, I have always thought blizzard was terrible at it (the art department is the only reason this game is truly successful.) But man are they more and more out of touch in the last two expansions, I wouldn't be surprise if their subscription have a major dip the next few month and don't get them entirely back in the next expansion.
This is way to late. I quit the game because I couldn't get my BIS legendaries and couldn't keep up with the other rogues since they had there's. This would of fixed everything and I probably would of kept playing, but this is way to late. The fucking expansion is over. Blizzard really fucked up.
Justin Peets this happened to me also. But I still only have one Lego since launch.... And it's my class worst one. Back to farming quest till I completely give up on this game
i got my first paladin legendary for holy a few months ago it was uthers guard, idk if im playing wrong but i maybe use a blessing maybe 2 times in a dungeon. i spent since launch grinding the whole time just to get that not long ago after being 110 for ages. i then had a warlock i leveled the last month finally got it to 110 last week and got the first legendary on it within 3 days of hitting 110. im so pissed off about this why couldnt the legendaries be behind rep from factions write the legendary into the lore in why they have it etc so you could progress how you wanted to instead of this random bs that has no rhyme or reason its just the legendary system from hearthstone put into a mmo oh what you opened 50 packs awww we cant have you feeling bad about yourself here have a legendary
Since you can't target which legendary you'll get, this system is no change at all. It simply increases the drop rate. Before patch 7.3.0 the drop rate was significantly higher than it is now.
I came back to the game for Legion, having last played in Wrath. I had a good time for the first two months playing as a DH Havoc, with my goal being to make it to Mythic raiding. By the end of EN and going to into NH I had made it into Mythic raiding and the fun was quickly dissipating. The amount of artificial gating created by having to re- level your legendary's every new raid tier, having to accumulate all new gear due to your classes stat priority's changing, the random legendary drops and titan forging and most of all very little sense of character progression. DH was very strong at the launch of the expansion and progressively dropped to the mid lower tier of DPS with gameplay that became more and more RNG as the expansion progressed. The day I quit was after leveling a warrior and gearing up to raid level( due to my DH being garbage on most TOMB mythic bosses and not fun) only missing a couple key legendary's to actually start raiding, well my first four were of no use for either Arms or Fury raid specs. All the time I put in keeping a DH mythic level raiding while leveling a warrior on the side for nothing. The artificial grinding and RNG aside, after EN I also noticed little to no power increase for my character as well. The new raiding tier in NH and Tomb were minor upgrades at best and actually downgrades in many instances and 4 months into the expansion I was still using trinkets from EN! I looked up DPS logs the other day and outside of some casters damage increasing greatly I see very little improvement numbers wise from most melee from launch. On launch and through EN I had a good time but the last 2-3 months I truly felt like a rat in a wheel chasing imaginary cheese.
My demon hunter has like 300 essences since i only upgraded the two legendaries i use 🤔 but my shaman has 0 since all its legendaries are 1000 now so it has to wait like 2 weeks to buy one 🤔
The Item is BOP so you have to buy it on your alt with their own essences lol Your main's essence is useless unless you got legendaries left to obtain on your class lol Blizz throws you a bone but its actually a stick of dynamite lol
Dude? There´s no wonder people are getting pissed tbh.. Alot of you guys have been farming legendaries since the very first day Legion came meanwhile others are getting 2/3 same day they hit 110. It took my mage approximately 45 days to unlock MORE than 10 legendaries and I started 23:rd october.. This game is really getting ahead of itself and it´s not lookin´good, unless they want less subs ofc.
I quit when my guild died months ago. After we downed guldan and every one was done with legendary grind. Nobody was really interested any more. Most of use were ilvl 860-880 and the odds of getting any better gear was just to low. Highest key stone achieved +13. Sadly wish I got +15 achievement b4 quiting.
The only thing that has kept me around is mythic+ so as long as they have that in the next expansion I'm happy. quit raiding and took a very long break in legion because of the legendary system.
At the beginning of the legion Ive got agrammar stride and this legendary neck but ive never stopped going big dick, now im progressing mythic antorus with my guild
I only wish the legendary tokens were BoA the way the random ones are now when you already have all your leggos for one class you just get a random class token.
Khansterbeam I don't know what to say to you if you don't know the fact that people have differen't opinions. Legendaries and Titanforging is/was making me on the verge of quitting, especially when I have to grind out all legendaries for my spec and get my 2 BiS as the 2 last.
Don't worry khansterbeam is one of the casual players that enjoy legion and think is the best and most hard core expansion.Blizzard is doing mistakes by listening punks like him that will go to some other game the moment the game become again good
martin yachev If you say so.....and your point here is? In my case, I've never NEEDED to get that lovely titanforge upgrade or that one specific legendary to "get good". Heck, after one year of playing legion I had 2 or 3 legendaries in total, it may've been the worst legendaries for my spec, but I never struggled. Titanforging from time to time was just a bonus. Still doing mythic raids and mythic keystones, enjoying the game.
I was yesterday saying to my guildie how they should implement in 7.3.5 legendary exchange system like 2 owned leg for 1 that i rly want and need,and decided to quit playing as my sub is expireing in 2 days and they make something similar. Now i am hooked to continue playing. Either this is some weird voodoo shit or blizz is spying on us :)
I could not understand the Legendary System. My Rogue (main at the time of Emerald Nightmare) did not get a Legendary until after I stopped playing for it after a month - and the Legendary still sucked ass. It was to increase healing when using Feint Leggings. And we was already going for the next tier.... Created a new toon (My DH) and his 3rd loot box from World Quest was a Legendary. kthnx Free 940 piece even though he still had 725 gear too.
I really hope we get boats as our new garrisons in the next expansion, we could upgrade them and build our own fleet to send out war-boats on missions and earn rewards.
I quit when I realized that I could either put 40 hours into achieving something, or wait for the next patch and get it in 40 minutes. "Do it later" is WoW's new motto. So, when are you coming to FFXIV Azmongold? It's pretty nice over here, it's sorta like TBC/Wrath WoW, PVE-wise.
No there isn't Carlos. The only things that people REALLY care about are the permanent ones that are hard to get. For example, gearing became fun at the end of WoD when people knew the Moose was going from 100% drop rate to 0,8% like the other mounts after the Legion prepatch. Suddenly gear mattered (unless you had the gold to buy a carry, and even then making gold suddenly became fun). This is entirely because of catch up mechanics. I'd rather have every character progress through all the raids than play my main and feel like I'm wasting my time. There's no sense of accomplishment if the accomplishment itself is made irrelevant by pesky ketchup.
If im not mistaken the moose doesn't drop at all anymore. Thats why at least some expansion exclusive stuff matters, its something to work toward like the mage tower weapon skins (sadly its way too easy now due to be able to outgear it compared to stuff like mop or wod timeruns, yeah you had better trinkets later on but that was it.)
I think they nerfed the Wakening Essence farming greatly. I didn't see any esence reward from heroic nor get any from weekly chests. Can you guys confirm if you see the same thing?
“ITS TOO LATE! THERES NOTHING LEFT TO DO!” You can only say this if you’ve cleared mythic argus. It’s not like you need your bis legendaries to do heroic.
I am playing the expansion from the beginning . Its also my first WoW experience, i loved the time i spend playing but there was only one thing that doesnt felt right .. The legendary system . Specially if u want to play an alt, and oh yeah my pvp friends stopt playing during the time because u know . I cleared every content in the game ( except Mythic Antorus TBT ) . i find it really ridiculous that they come up with that solution at this time in the expansion . I wish i could speak to some dev and just say them its to late, i would love to see the look on his face . I wonder how many subscriptions they lost during the expac .
While it is good that they introduced it, this makes me think that you're simply against catch-up mechanisms altogether. In your opinion, what is a good and fair catch-up mechanic already available and was properly implemented and "on-time" according to your own logic as a reference in comparison to the many bad ones or "too-late" that you site?
thats complete BULLSHIT sorry but my buddy lootet 2 Legys in one day, and i played like 4 weeks doing the uual stuff like the raids ect and got nothing, so dont spread such wrong infos
with it being easier to get legendaries would you ever consider trying to do all of the mage tower challenges? maybe as part of a stream event or something like that
I think the time is correct. with the fact that Antorus will probably last 8+ months we could be able to play an alt in raid without being penalized by not having the good ones four your class/spec
I’ve upgraded every legendary to 1000. Horrible farming and now I don’t get any essences. If it’s not a level playing field when this comes out and people could keep grinding hundreds or thousands of essences because they didn’t turn in their quests, I will be pissed off! 😡 Great video actually. Completely agree about all these arbitrary grinds that I “have to complete” which keeps me up at night so I can’t enjoy the game the next day either.
I always pick up extra quest before upgrading the last one. For example I had like 700 of the previous essences that were used to upgrade to 970 and never got to use them.
It's nice change but it's too late for this catch-up mechanic cause they should put those before Antorus cause I wanted to change class but I didn't have any legendaries to do so.
Honestly, I do love it because, like you've mentioned on Allcraft, I also hate RNG and this at least is in the right direction to get away from the whole roll the dice bull, I think it's great for the game and I hope to see more things like this in Battle. As always, great work man, I love hearing your takes on WOW :)
Right now I dont have any no fully upgraded legendary so I dont have the quest so I cant get the currency. Is there a way to get the currency even if all your (few) legendaries are 1000 already?
It's a good step, but it's still stupid. Still RNG on top of RNG at the END of the expansion. You can get a second way of farming legendaries, but is not like you can reliably get the ones you want. As far as I know, what happens when you buy a Legendary token on a character that has all of it's class legendaries already, you get a BoA RANDOM CLASS legendary. Exactly the SAME that's happening right now. Sure, you can farm them for your spec, but still random bullshit and is not like 175 essences are fast to get. I don't know, it feels like a good step but Blizzard is still obsessed with getting that RNG down our throats when pretty much everyone was very vocal with how unpleasant it was.
Gold was this driving force in earlier time but after a cpl of expansions, our gold has lost its value and feels almost pointless to farm. Compared when you needed to farm 1000 gold for 100% ground mount. Which took fooooreever! And legendarys was a rarity to even see ingame, you allmost felt lucky to see someone weilding a legendary.
I like this it will take so long to grind all those essences so people won't be able to just grind a new leg everyday and it will help with that shitty drop chance of the leg you acc want or need
100% AGREE mate. I resented the game because my hunter wasnt getting either of his BiS legendaries while i had a higher ilvl than other hunters i was doing less dps because they had the leggos. I hated it and blizz shot thrmselves in the foot
After finally collecting all the legendaries in the game I quit when I faced the grind of getting them from 970 to 1000. It just seemed to pointless to me and the game just instantly felt like a pure chore. Only took a few rounds of leggy upgrades and m+ to realize.
If we have all the legendaries on our main and are currently receiving boa legendaries will we be able to buy boe legendaries for our alts with these like the ones that now drop for us?
Yo Asmongold, you should do a Transmog collection contest where it's basically the same idea as the Mount off except you test the limits of peoples transmog collection. Everyone can just use Heirloom items so the cost is only 1g per slot. It starts off easy in the first couple rounds and then gravitates towards more rare items till one person is left.
Yea they made me runing black rook foundary for iron hoof destroyer 5 times a week (whitch i rly dont like) for a fking chance to roll it if it even droped cuz my friend got it .
Im with you on the resentment part. They force players to do things with shitty gear in the first half of the game, then they add welfare mechanics later on so people can catch up, and its one of the reasons i don't play as much as i used to. theres no reason to stay on the grind when i know i can come back in 6 months and get better gear for almost nothing. At the same time, it's nice for those of us that cant play all the time, but still want to enjoy the content throughout the expansion without having to devote hundreds of hours a month farming raids and shit. Its convenient, but it takes away badassness from the player character. When i first started playing, getting an upgrade was the real deal. It was fucking hype when that piece of loot finally dropped and you got it. Now, it's like the thing you pick up is a little bit better, or its fucking trash. The tiny stat increases on some things are underwhelming at times when the numbers scale so high now. I still think earlier versions of the game did it best, without titanforging RNG, without multiple rolls for loot. There were BiS items and you really had to work to get some of them. it gave your character an epic look and feel, and that feeling is long gone now.
The legendary is the best system blizzard put in wow because there is a grind, it help people develop there skill in that spec and it gives amazing loot outside of doing dungeons and raid Im can't blame blizzard on the legendarys system because it's there first give us the opportunity to give us multiple legendarys. I do hope they learn from there mistake and make a better system of the legendarys system
Wouldn't it be much cooler if instead of just giving you a legendary you get a quest where a random rare elite or a dungeon boss has the legendary and you have to go kill that dude for it.
Did you just get a fire legendary, while frost loot spec or were you fire loot specced? If the former then this is still fucking horrendous for people who rerolled.
Looting doesnt take into consideration which spec you are. It looks at what spec you have loot specalized in. I can play unholy DK and get Blood DK loot...
Honestly im usually against this sort of thing. People have worked the entire expansion getting bis legendaries and now you can pretty much get multiple legendaries for free. But after taking a long break and coming back maybe 4 months ago, I have only gotten 4 legendaries so far and all of them have been bottom of the pack. And now going into Antorus, I have already caught up and outgear alot of players, the only thing holding me back some is that they have better legendaries than me. And I know a single legendary doesnt account for an insane amount more healing or dps, but for instance if i needed more survival like on varithramas, that absorb neck would be op. And then if i need more burst healing, getting the trinket would be much more useful to the raid than what Ive got. I agree that the legendary design is a bit flawed. At the beginning of the expansion people may only get 1 legendary for months on end and if its the wrong legendary, or worst you dont get 1 before you progress into mythics then you are a hindering the raid team which is a bad design. What I would really like to see is a legendary skin, something that really stands out and makes your character glow or grow wings or something. Doesnt improve your character stat wise in the slightest, but gives you unique effects or looks, maybe with a lower drop rate so people who get 1 feel like theyve got something amazing.
I just want to get the best legendaries for mage tower on alts at this point to make it as painless as possible, and having more ways to funnel leggos to my alts is welcome.
I don't understand you people. I still feel amazing and hyped whenever l get a legendary. Out of nowhere, boom, it's such an amazing feel that happens very rarely. It makes me hyped to see even my guildies get them because l feel happy for them!
It's the new gimmicks to keep subs engaged dude. It's really just two ways you can keep subs engaged. One is the TBC era design and the other is "infinite" content/bullshit RNG. And to make matters worse, we just need a ton of catch-up mechanisms into the game so that people subbing for two months a year can feeling good and players committed to the game can have their progress invalidated whenever a new raid opens.
Artificially extending content is the reason I quit after finishing Tomb of Sargeras, after the second week. Im paying $15 a month+$50 per expansion for such a small amount of content really, considering how big the company is. I moved on to buy to play MMOs and am getting just as much content/hours of gameplay, without the $15 a month.
I was happy that I clicked on this video because I just came back to wow after a few months. Then realized these things now cost 1000 wakening essences. rip
wow this is a great change about 10 months ago. Too bad im actually one of the people that like to play alts and at first AP killed the fun of playing them but then it ended up with Leggos completely controlling if you could even play certain specs in the intended manner.Its so weird that these two systems just completely ruined a great expansion for me(well getting random titanforge killed alot of the feeling of completing characters on top of this).
I really wish they were BOA so I can steam roll dungeons on my main and give free legos to my alts, but I'll take what I can get if this means 2 leggos a weeks now
Legendary catch up mechanic is nearly as late as you are to your streams
Get over yourself
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Lemming Herder you’re just lazy as fuck
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Totally agree with you, blizzard is just trying to get back old players, i stopped playing legion the legendary system was stupid, i am done with this expansion.
yesss finally, now we're prepared to the next tier. oh wait....
As great as this change is, Legion is the epitome of "Better late then never I guess" as an expac.
And its still the best expansion released by blizzard. That just shows how good legion is, even with the flaws.
As a PvP only player since vanilla wow, I think legion is by far the worst. Would prefer to play WoD and that sucked ass too.
Jacob Wotlk bro. The lich king lore was just too good..screw illidaddy
Who the fuck played WoW for PvP ever? The imbalances in early wow (vanilla, tbc) was just too great and afterwards pvp was just shit. So yeah.
And C E, no why? They made a lot of changes that needed to happen.
What? I said that it was the best they released.
No, I am far older than that. I was 16 when they released vanilla and because of that I have lived through vanilla, TBC, Wotlk, cataclysm and half of MoP. Never played WoD but started at legion release.
I think legion is by far the best experience I have had with WoW. Vanills and TBC was just pure crap because of the imbalance of specs. WotLK was very good though.
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i always like going back to his older videos to see the way his intro changed
Andrei Serban I think we all get older and we all change at one point
Still hate the fact that tokens are BOP instead of BOA...
You mean BOP, right?
Yes
alt-ing and multiclass-ing aswell have become cancer with Legion. I wouldn't even have use for BoA legos bc my alts are way less progressed so to make an impact.
The thing that’s gotten to me most in Legion is that it feels like you HAVE to do too many things as opposed to WANTING to do them. It’s to the point that there’s nothing I want to do anymore. If the content was fun and enjoyable it would be one thing, but none of it is.
This isn't new. Blizzard always overdoes everything when it comes to requested content. People liked the dailies in Cataclyms, so they made you do dailies before you could do dailies in MOP. People hated dailies in MOP, so they erased every trace of dailies in WOD. People complained about nothing to do in WOD, so they make you do quest after dungeon after raid after quest after dungeon after raid.
So why do you continue to play, I use to play clash of clans religiously until I got tired of the time gating behind my entire base. What I didn't do is sit on youtube channels or COC forums and complain about how its not fun and that I think its a dumb game. Wow is a game you can play until its not fun anymore then you can leave. The problem most players have is they only want to play the game one way and when they burn themselves out on that they ignore all the small things you can also do in the game and quit.
Not sure if you're replying to me specifically, but I play because the issues that I've mentioned didn't affect me directly. I merely observe the changes and think, "lolsrsly?"
The legendary system is hilariously bad, but overall Legion has been a net positive experience for me. I assume that's the same for everyone else that criticizes the game while still playing it. That's not to say that there haven't been changes that resulted in me quitting for a time (DH one-shot Mana Break comes to mind).
Mackenzie Reeves I just re subscribed and I feel exactly like this. I am forced to quest endlessly... Or farm mythic +. Not to mention how dead my sever is and no one ever talks game is dead and the few who do talk agree
WoW Isn't a typical game where you pay upfront, play then leave. Its an ongoing subscription, you would expect ongoing interesting content, no?
As someone who is more than willing to regularly play other games, I bank on Blizzard making WoW incredibly easy later in the xpac. It allows me to come mow everything down and experience the full expansion in easy mode. I get that this is the very thing you're against, but they've done it since MoP... until they stop doing it, I'd be stupid to waste my time and money on anything before the final content patch!
It was only a matter of time "Welfare Legendaries".
One might think of "extreme RNG" is 'welfare', and I'd agree. But now seeing it as just another badge-loot economy? That's worse. That's official.
regardless of how good the legendary you get for your spec is, they are ALL welfare legendaries when compared to ACTUAL legendaries of expansions past. Might as well just recolor these to purple and give them a higher ilvl
I agree, the system is already in the toilet so why not make things less annoying for people now that it doesn't matter. On the other hand yes, Blizzard keeps revamping character progression so that the longer you wait the easier things are to a ridiculous degree which cheapens the whole RPG experience. I like Legion more than WoD, and I hope Battle for Azeroth continues to improve the game with the lessons learned this expansion.
I admire your optimism, Asmon. Unfortunately, I think issues like this will be endemic to WoW for however long they stick with this new design philosophy. Lots of really pointless grinds and adding RNG into everything are how they've been able to sustain themselves thus far, after all. It's easier and more cost effective to make players spend ten years doing the same thing than it is giving them something new every ten months.
As for the legendary token system, I'm glad it's around. The previous model of forcing a player to pick up all the legendaries for their class before such options became available at all was a terrible, terrible idea. That being said, if I was going to nitpick anything, it'd be that I wish they'd simply allow players to purchase specific legendaries. As good as the tokens are, they're still going to be a grind and there's still a heavy degree of luck involved.
Ah, well. At least the grind for legendaries is finally under the player's control and less about slot machine nonsense. That's a start.
I mean, they did put out Argus, 5 raids, a dozen dungeons. Many things are RNG but not everything is bad you know.
Either way, at this point it's a way for raiders to try to get their bis legos if they dont have it yet.
The problem is not the legendary system.
The problem is that some of them are wayyyyyyyyyyy better than some others and some of them are completely useless or very situational. They only had to make a couple reallllly good one per spec (like 4 or 5) and have a way to get them slowly but surely (via grinding a currency or long quests) as bad luck protection.
Benoit Levesque i think the underlying issue is that you never felt like you had your full potential and it was gated by something so rng reliant. a bad legendary could make it so your guild doesnt use u for raid, etc
exactly. some of them are so niche that they are basically required to even the play the spec properly. for example, spriest is absolute trash without the belt or sephus in comparison to the same spriest sitting next to you with them. the system fucking sucked from the get go.
Even if you don't get your BiS, if you don't have any legendary at all, the stat increase is quite nice tbh
Asmongold literaly says this
Sebo I’m with you bro the stat increase is great until u get BiS
To add more: Legion and its RNG-everywhere systems pretty much nailed my decision to just go away from the game and in BOA i'll just wait until the expansion is on its last patch and on sale to buy it and play it for a month or two with all the catch-up mechanisms fully in place so i can enjoy the content without the gating, padding and delaying they do at the beginning.
That is what they are teaching the majority of the player base.
Hell you can buy gold from blizzard themselves. So you can wait till the end of the expansion, spend a little bit more money to get carried through aotc to be decently geared and obtain the mount that they started attuning with aotc. And after all that you can enjoy the expansion with all the stupid blizzard gatekeeping removed.
Just to do the math:
AOTC is currently going for 700k-800k gold (2mil for a full heroic run, but why do that?) A token, $20, nets you 180k gold. Assuming you save up some gold, you can get an AOTC with $60 + expansion cost + subscription.
Usually when the expansion at the end it is like 15, so 60+15+15=$90 to enjoy not being screwed over by the system.
Or you can buy the expansion $60, spend 18 months of subscription (270 if you are paying month to month), if you can't get the rng on your side you may still have to pay for a carry $60. So $390 to have the same amount of content while also slogging hours and hours of grinding with few moments of enjoyment sprinkled about hours and hours of frustration.
And if they remove the catch up system all together, the only counter argument I can see to people waiting, then people will just not come back.
The philosophy in game design is dumb, I have always thought blizzard was terrible at it (the art department is the only reason this game is truly successful.) But man are they more and more out of touch in the last two expansions, I wouldn't be surprise if their subscription have a major dip the next few month and don't get them entirely back in the next expansion.
This is way to late. I quit the game because I couldn't get my BIS legendaries and couldn't keep up with the other rogues since they had there's. This would of fixed everything and I probably would of kept playing, but this is way to late. The fucking expansion is over. Blizzard really fucked up.
Justin Peets this happened to me also. But I still only have one Lego since launch.... And it's my class worst one. Back to farming quest till I completely give up on this game
i got my first paladin legendary for holy a few months ago it was uthers guard, idk if im playing wrong but i maybe use a blessing maybe 2 times in a dungeon. i spent since launch grinding the whole time just to get that not long ago after being 110 for ages. i then had a warlock i leveled the last month finally got it to 110 last week and got the first legendary on it within 3 days of hitting 110.
im so pissed off about this
why couldnt the legendaries be behind rep from factions write the legendary into the lore in why they have it etc
so you could progress how you wanted to instead of this random bs that has no rhyme or reason
its just the legendary system from hearthstone put into a mmo oh what you opened 50 packs awww we cant have you feeling bad about yourself here have a legendary
4 free backpack slots tough.
w h o c a r e s
It's a nice change but this should have been added into legion in 2016, not 2018.
Since you can't target which legendary you'll get, this system is no change at all. It simply increases the drop rate. Before patch 7.3.0 the drop rate was significantly higher than it is now.
I came back to the game for Legion, having last played in Wrath. I had a good time for the first two months playing as a DH Havoc, with my goal being to make it to Mythic raiding. By the end of EN and going to into NH I had made it into Mythic raiding and the fun was quickly dissipating. The amount of artificial gating created by having to re- level your legendary's every new raid tier, having to accumulate all new gear due to your classes stat priority's changing, the random legendary drops and titan forging and most of all very little sense of character progression. DH was very strong at the launch of the expansion and progressively dropped to the mid lower tier of DPS with gameplay that became more and more RNG as the expansion progressed. The day I quit was after leveling a warrior and gearing up to raid level( due to my DH being garbage on most TOMB mythic bosses and not fun) only missing a couple key legendary's to actually start raiding, well my first four were of no use for either Arms or Fury raid specs. All the time I put in keeping a DH mythic level raiding while leveling a warrior on the side for nothing. The artificial grinding and RNG aside, after EN I also noticed little to no power increase for my character as well. The new raiding tier in NH and Tomb were minor upgrades at best and actually downgrades in many instances and 4 months into the expansion I was still using trinkets from EN! I looked up DPS logs the other day and outside of some casters damage increasing greatly I see very little improvement numbers wise from most melee from launch. On launch and through EN I had a good time but the last 2-3 months I truly felt like a rat in a wheel chasing imaginary cheese.
My demon hunter has like 300 essences since i only upgraded the two legendaries i use 🤔 but my shaman has 0 since all its legendaries are 1000 now so it has to wait like 2 weeks to buy one 🤔
And blizzard be Like:
Fuck you, thats why.
The Item is BOP so you have to buy it on your alt with their own essences lol Your main's essence is useless unless you got legendaries left to obtain on your class lol Blizz throws you a bone but its actually a stick of dynamite lol
As far as I know you could always buy legendary‘s and some of the latest raid tier gear from vendors in Dalaran in the ptr.
Dude? There´s no wonder people are getting pissed tbh.. Alot of you guys have been farming legendaries since the very first day Legion came meanwhile others are getting 2/3 same day they hit 110. It took my mage approximately 45 days to unlock MORE than 10 legendaries and I started 23:rd october.. This game is really getting ahead of itself and it´s not lookin´good, unless they want less subs ofc.
I was able to keep the quest even after upgrading all my legendaries and got around 550 wakening essences piled up. good news!
I quit when my guild died months ago. After we downed guldan and every one was done with legendary grind. Nobody was really interested any more. Most of use were ilvl 860-880 and the odds of getting any better gear was just to low. Highest key stone achieved +13. Sadly wish I got +15 achievement b4 quiting.
You are right all the way.Blizzard should listen!
the ptr legendary vendor has been there for a while. ive been maining ptr even since like 7.2 when I didn't have live time
Hi! Love your videos. Was wondering what kind of mats your bags were made from....?
wow great, now i can finally get my 2nd bis leggo so i can do exactly nothing with it cuz the xpac is over.
cant wait to do my WQ 2% faster because i got my legendaries
Desync can I see you’re mythic argus logs
The only thing that has kept me around is mythic+ so as long as they have that in the next expansion I'm happy. quit raiding and took a very long break in legion because of the legendary system.
At the beginning of the legion Ive got agrammar stride and this legendary neck but ive never stopped going big dick, now im progressing mythic antorus with my guild
Needed to make it where you can equip all you get instead of 2 or being able to buy them, my lock has 11 with 9 just sitting in bank worthless.
Now it is going to take a couple days to get that legendary, but everyone is getting all the legendaries before battle of azeroth now
basically start an expansion a year after its released and in a few days be as geared as ppl that start from the beginning
I only wish the legendary tokens were BoA the way the random ones are now when you already have all your leggos for one class you just get a random class token.
legion would have been a great expansion but titanforging and legendaries killed it for me.
if i want to spend money on RNG i go to a casino
If the titanforging and legendaries ruin a WHOLE EXPANSION I don't don't even know what to say to you...
Khansterbeam I don't know what to say to you if you don't know the fact that people have differen't opinions. Legendaries and Titanforging is/was making me on the verge of quitting, especially when I have to grind out all legendaries for my spec and get my 2 BiS as the 2 last.
Don't worry khansterbeam is one of the casual players that enjoy legion and think is the best and most hard core expansion.Blizzard is doing mistakes by listening punks like him that will go to some other game the moment the game become again good
martin yachev If you say so.....and your point here is? In my case, I've never NEEDED to get that lovely titanforge upgrade or that one specific legendary to "get good". Heck, after one year of playing legion I had 2 or 3 legendaries in total, it may've been the worst legendaries for my spec, but I never struggled. Titanforging from time to time was just a bonus. Still doing mythic raids and mythic keystones, enjoying the game.
I hope you are right about still being able to get the essences once it hits live.
u forgot about the other vendor in SW which sell old Legendaries for Timewalking Badge.
I was yesterday saying to my guildie how they should implement in 7.3.5 legendary exchange system like 2 owned leg for 1 that i rly want and need,and decided to quit playing as my sub is expireing in 2 days and they make something similar.
Now i am hooked to continue playing.
Either this is some weird voodoo shit or blizz is spying on us :)
good addition, the legend system mate me quit cuz characters couldnt function without certain ones and it was just a hassle
I could not understand the Legendary System. My Rogue (main at the time of Emerald Nightmare) did not get a Legendary until after I stopped playing for it after a month - and the Legendary still sucked ass. It was to increase healing when using Feint Leggings. And we was already going for the next tier....
Created a new toon (My DH) and his 3rd loot box from World Quest was a Legendary. kthnx Free 940 piece even though he still had 725 gear too.
Hey Asmongold do u live in Lakeway
World of hamstercraft
I really hope we get boats as our new garrisons in the next expansion, we could upgrade them and build our own fleet to send out war-boats on missions and earn rewards.
After grinding for over a year and still not getting my bis but all the crap leggos, this makes me happy.
What were u doing @3:05 ???
I quit when I realized that I could either put 40 hours into achieving something, or wait for the next patch and get it in 40 minutes.
"Do it later" is WoW's new motto.
So, when are you coming to FFXIV Azmongold? It's pretty nice over here, it's sorta like TBC/Wrath WoW, PVE-wise.
SO true. I remember grinding my eyes out when legion launched to get my weapon leveled up. But there isn't a point because of catch up mechanics
There is a point if u want to be at your best at the current patch and not 6 months later
Legendaries are getting removed..
No there isn't Carlos.
The only things that people REALLY care about are the permanent ones that are hard to get.
For example, gearing became fun at the end of WoD when people knew the Moose was going from 100% drop rate to 0,8% like the other mounts after the Legion prepatch.
Suddenly gear mattered (unless you had the gold to buy a carry, and even then making gold suddenly became fun).
This is entirely because of catch up mechanics.
I'd rather have every character progress through all the raids than play my main and feel like I'm wasting my time. There's no sense of accomplishment if the accomplishment itself is made irrelevant by pesky ketchup.
If im not mistaken the moose doesn't drop at all anymore.
Thats why at least some expansion exclusive stuff matters, its something to work toward like the mage tower weapon skins (sadly its way too easy now due to be able to outgear it compared to stuff like mop or wod timeruns, yeah you had better trinkets later on but that was it.)
I think they nerfed the Wakening Essence farming greatly. I didn't see any esence reward from heroic nor get any from weekly chests. Can you guys confirm if you see the same thing?
“ITS TOO LATE! THERES NOTHING LEFT TO DO!” You can only say this if you’ve cleared mythic argus. It’s not like you need your bis legendaries to do heroic.
I am playing the expansion from the beginning . Its also my first WoW experience, i loved the time i spend playing but there was only one thing that doesnt felt right .. The legendary system . Specially if u want to play an alt, and oh yeah my pvp friends stopt playing during the time because u know . I cleared every content in the game ( except Mythic Antorus TBT ) . i find it really ridiculous that they come up with that solution at this time in the expansion . I wish i could speak to some dev and just say them its to late, i would love to see the look on his face . I wonder how many subscriptions they lost during the expac .
While it is good that they introduced it, this makes me think that you're simply against catch-up mechanisms altogether. In your opinion, what is a good and fair catch-up mechanic already available and was properly implemented and "on-time" according to your own logic as a reference in comparison to the many bad ones or "too-late" that you site?
well finally in 7.3.5 we can buy BIS legys, which get useless in the upcoming addon
yeah of course, but you can brut force it now very much faster than before
I grinded for more than 8 months to finally get my bis legendary so yeah... this is great
well fuck you I have played since the start of legion (I even played hfc with him) and still waiting for that fuckin ring on my DH
isi3456789 then you are doing something wrong lol. You can farm 1 legendary per week atm just by clearing every raid on every difficulty.
thats complete BULLSHIT sorry but my buddy lootet 2 Legys in one day, and i played like 4 weeks doing the uual stuff like the raids ect and got nothing, so dont spread such wrong infos
Excellent change. Sucks I can't start the quest like you mentioned. Should help when/if we get to mythic lol.
with it being easier to get legendaries would you ever consider trying to do all of the mage tower challenges? maybe as part of a stream event or something like that
What's the name of this mount? 2:44
I think the time is correct. with the fact that Antorus will probably last 8+ months we could be able to play an alt in raid without being penalized by not having the good ones four your class/spec
When do you stream?
I’ve upgraded every legendary to 1000. Horrible farming and now I don’t get any essences. If it’s not a level playing field when this comes out and people could keep grinding hundreds or thousands of essences because they didn’t turn in their quests, I will be pissed off! 😡
Great video actually. Completely agree about all these arbitrary grinds that I “have to complete” which keeps me up at night so I can’t enjoy the game the next day either.
I always pick up extra quest before upgrading the last one. For example I had like 700 of the previous essences that were used to upgrade to 970 and never got to use them.
Ive been grinding every day for my Assassination rogue BIS bracers, still no luck. I need this, tired of being at the mercy of RNG.
It's nice change but it's too late for this catch-up mechanic cause they should put those before Antorus cause I wanted to change class but I didn't have any legendaries to do so.
Honestly, I do love it because, like you've mentioned on Allcraft, I also hate RNG and this at least is in the right direction to get away from the whole roll the dice bull, I think it's great for the game and I hope to see more things like this in Battle. As always, great work man, I love hearing your takes on WOW :)
yeah I wish they did that at the start of the expansion
Right now I dont have any no fully upgraded legendary so I dont have the quest so I cant get the currency. Is there a way to get the currency even if all your (few) legendaries are 1000 already?
It's a good step, but it's still stupid. Still RNG on top of RNG at the END of the expansion. You can get a second way of farming legendaries, but is not like you can reliably get the ones you want.
As far as I know, what happens when you buy a Legendary token on a character that has all of it's class legendaries already, you get a BoA RANDOM CLASS legendary. Exactly the SAME that's happening right now.
Sure, you can farm them for your spec, but still random bullshit and is not like 175 essences are fast to get.
I don't know, it feels like a good step but Blizzard is still obsessed with getting that RNG down our throats when pretty much everyone was very vocal with how unpleasant it was.
description says it all, "IT'S ABOUT GOD DAMN TIME"
My boy, what if the essences are only a placeholder for now? (I heard a rumor.)
Too little too late, thanks blizz
i would play if legion was for free to play only if i can disable new animation. last time unchecking new animations didnt work.
Guys we can target Legendarys now that the Xpac is over!!!!! how exciting
When is this patch going to come to live servers?
Gold was this driving force in earlier time but after a cpl of expansions, our gold has lost its value and feels almost pointless to farm.
Compared when you needed to farm 1000 gold for 100% ground mount.
Which took fooooreever!
And legendarys was a rarity to even see ingame, you allmost felt lucky to see someone weilding a legendary.
I like this it will take so long to grind all those essences so people won't be able to just grind a new leg everyday and it will help with that shitty drop chance of the leg you acc want or need
100% AGREE mate. I resented the game because my hunter wasnt getting either of his BiS legendaries while i had a higher ilvl than other hunters i was doing less dps because they had the leggos. I hated it and blizz shot thrmselves in the foot
Mount collecting video when?
After finally collecting all the legendaries in the game I quit when I faced the grind of getting them from 970 to 1000. It just seemed to pointless to me and the game just instantly felt like a pure chore. Only took a few rounds of leggy upgrades and m+ to realize.
Sooo... can we start saving up wakening essences now, and then just buy them all when this change hits?
If we have all the legendaries on our main and are currently receiving boa legendaries will we be able to buy boe legendaries for our alts with these like the ones that now drop for us?
Yo Asmongold, you should do a Transmog collection contest where it's basically the same idea as the Mount off except you test the limits of peoples transmog collection. Everyone can just use Heirloom items so the cost is only 1g per slot.
It starts off easy in the first couple rounds and then gravitates towards more rare items till one person is left.
Well Legendary no longer holds up it's name
but the blacksmithing thing is brand new
"It's about danm time"
Guess I might pick up my priest and give shadow a spin
Finally I really want those prot warrior legs
Does anyone know the WeakAura that he uses for Ignore Pain on his Prot Warrior?
You should do a How to Correctly Transmog your Warrior 2018 version!
Yea they made me runing black rook foundary for iron hoof destroyer 5 times a week (whitch i rly dont like) for a fking chance to roll it if it even droped cuz my friend got it .
Asmongold Could you maybe make solo guides for alot of Glory of the ..... Raider achievments from WoD?
Im with you on the resentment part. They force players to do things with shitty gear in the first half of the game, then they add welfare mechanics later on so people can catch up, and its one of the reasons i don't play as much as i used to. theres no reason to stay on the grind when i know i can come back in 6 months and get better gear for almost nothing. At the same time, it's nice for those of us that cant play all the time, but still want to enjoy the content throughout the expansion without having to devote hundreds of hours a month farming raids and shit. Its convenient, but it takes away badassness from the player character. When i first started playing, getting an upgrade was the real deal. It was fucking hype when that piece of loot finally dropped and you got it. Now, it's like the thing you pick up is a little bit better, or its fucking trash. The tiny stat increases on some things are underwhelming at times when the numbers scale so high now. I still think earlier versions of the game did it best, without titanforging RNG, without multiple rolls for loot. There were BiS items and you really had to work to get some of them. it gave your character an epic look and feel, and that feeling is long gone now.
The legendary is the best system blizzard put in wow because there is a grind, it help people develop there skill in that spec and it gives amazing loot outside of doing dungeons and raid
Im can't blame blizzard on the legendarys system because it's there first give us the opportunity to give us multiple legendarys. I do hope they learn from there mistake and make a better system of the legendarys system
Wouldn't it be much cooler if instead of just giving you a legendary you get a quest where a random rare elite or a dungeon boss has the legendary and you have to go kill that dude for it.
Did you just get a fire legendary, while frost loot spec or were you fire loot specced? If the former then this is still fucking horrendous for people who rerolled.
Looting doesnt take into consideration which spec you are. It looks at what spec you have loot specalized in. I can play unholy DK and get Blood DK loot...
that is why i asked if he was loot specced to fire or if it just ignores loot spec
Honestly im usually against this sort of thing. People have worked the entire expansion getting bis legendaries and now you can pretty much get multiple legendaries for free. But after taking a long break and coming back maybe 4 months ago, I have only gotten 4 legendaries so far and all of them have been bottom of the pack. And now going into Antorus, I have already caught up and outgear alot of players, the only thing holding me back some is that they have better legendaries than me. And I know a single legendary doesnt account for an insane amount more healing or dps, but for instance if i needed more survival like on varithramas, that absorb neck would be op. And then if i need more burst healing, getting the trinket would be much more useful to the raid than what Ive got.
I agree that the legendary design is a bit flawed. At the beginning of the expansion people may only get 1 legendary for months on end and if its the wrong legendary, or worst you dont get 1 before you progress into mythics then you are a hindering the raid team which is a bad design.
What I would really like to see is a legendary skin, something that really stands out and makes your character glow or grow wings or something. Doesnt improve your character stat wise in the slightest, but gives you unique effects or looks, maybe with a lower drop rate so people who get 1 feel like theyve got something amazing.
I just want to get the best legendaries for mage tower on alts at this point to make it as painless as possible, and having more ways to funnel leggos to my alts is welcome.
I don't understand you people. I still feel amazing and hyped whenever l get a legendary. Out of nowhere, boom, it's such an amazing feel that happens very rarely. It makes me hyped to see even my guildies get them because l feel happy for them!
the mind of a simpleton must be nice.
"I guess its better late then never"
Blizzard in a nutshell, adding features years to late
It's the new gimmicks to keep subs engaged dude. It's really just two ways you can keep subs engaged. One is the TBC era design and the other is "infinite" content/bullshit RNG.
And to make matters worse, we just need a ton of catch-up mechanisms into the game so that people subbing for two months a year can feeling good and players committed to the game can have their progress invalidated whenever a new raid opens.
It’s about god danm time
Artificially extending content is the reason I quit after finishing Tomb of Sargeras, after the second week. Im paying $15 a month+$50 per expansion for such a small amount of content really, considering how big the company is. I moved on to buy to play MMOs and am getting just as much content/hours of gameplay, without the $15 a month.
I was happy that I clicked on this video because I just came back to wow after a few months. Then realized these things now cost 1000 wakening essences. rip
wow this is a great change about 10 months ago. Too bad im actually one of the people that like to play alts and at first AP killed the fun of playing them but then it ended up with Leggos completely controlling if you could even play certain specs in the intended manner.Its so weird that these two systems just completely ruined a great expansion for me(well getting random titanforge killed alot of the feeling of completing characters on top of this).
They should make a way to buy flying, never seen that before
with 7.3.5 on lve severs right now they are 1000 now a piece
I really wish they were BOA so I can steam roll dungeons on my main and give free legos to my alts, but I'll take what I can get if this means 2 leggos a weeks now