Why Grandmaster Satele's Jedi Were WAY More Powerful Than You Realize - (Strongest Era)

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  • @irmuusanaa4227
    @irmuusanaa4227 Місяць тому +395

    High republic jedi = The spoiled children.
    Old republic jedi = veteran marine corp.

    • @aster4jaden
      @aster4jaden Місяць тому +28

      There is reason why the High Republic Jedi are barely covered.

    • @HK47Beserker
      @HK47Beserker Місяць тому +6

      😂😂😂

    • @Connor-Skywalker
      @Connor-Skywalker Місяць тому +7

      ​@@aster4jaden good point

    • @Panther-Strife4724
      @Panther-Strife4724 Місяць тому +32

      Because they are of the Age of Kathleen Kennedy.

    • @ForgottenHonor0
      @ForgottenHonor0 Місяць тому +3

      This comment here. Full stop. 😂😂😂💪💪💪

  • @HolyknightVader999
    @HolyknightVader999 Місяць тому +276

    Stronger faith, more open to experimentation, and they were open to ways of fighting that the Clone Wars Jedi were not.

    • @amateur-madman3047
      @amateur-madman3047 Місяць тому +31

      Clone Wars Jedi had a stick up their asses and it cost them their lives. Growing up is realizing they were cool, but not that wise. They carefully crafted their own destruction when they fulfilled the will of the government instead of the force. And when they failed to teach their “wise peacekeepers” how not to be selfish, murderous, distrustful or just generally an asshole. All these problems caused by the Jedi Order contributed to Anakin’s reasons for destroying them. I say it was valid.

    • @realrosesaretrulyred
      @realrosesaretrulyred Місяць тому +13

      @@amateur-madman3047also the fact that sidious did use order 66 on them. If sidious or the sith never existed, eventually the jedi order would have a second great schism likely caused by Anakin, Ahsoka, and a lot of jedi padawans and knights and MAYBE just maybe plo koon (I don’t think Obi wan would since he’s strictly loyal to the council)

    • @lotusinn3
      @lotusinn3 Місяць тому +8

      @@amateur-madman3047That’s the difference between environments. Incredible really.

    • @thalmoragent9344
      @thalmoragent9344 Місяць тому

      Facts

    • @thalmoragent9344
      @thalmoragent9344 Місяць тому +1

      Facts

  • @HellfireClub242
    @HellfireClub242 Місяць тому +195

    When you talk about pre Skywalker Star Wars, i feel sad. Not because i dislike your content. But because i miss this era of Star Wars. I loved Star Wars before the dark times....before Disney.

    • @AkodoGarou
      @AkodoGarou Місяць тому +1

      Hate to break it to you, but LucasFilms was acquired in 2012. So this era, was during Disney. So not sure what to tell you. Unless, you're specifically talking about the legends vs canon situation?

    • @HellfireClub242
      @HellfireClub242 Місяць тому +14

      @@AkodoGarou I'm well aware of when they bought Lucasfilm. I'm specifically stating the stories before the purchase. Mainly the Expanded Universe, Thrawn Saga, Fate of the Jedi and Legacy. All great story arcs that respected the lore of legacy characters.

    • @AkodoGarou
      @AkodoGarou Місяць тому +1

      @@HellfireClub242 I see where you're coming from. And for me, a long time star wars nerd, don't care what they did with Canon and non-canon, I'm still loving and collecting the old, and give no fucks. Haha. It's real in my head canon

    • @MaraJadeSkywalker.
      @MaraJadeSkywalker. Місяць тому +5

      You don't have to "miss". Lucasfilm accepts the old canon as separate continuity, as "legends". You still can have these books, comics.
      The only thing bad is that, legends canon can barely get a new thing.

    • @donfears8149
      @donfears8149 Місяць тому +1

      @@AkodoGarou nah not really. like this was already being made by the time they got it plus once they did have it they didn't really do anything to keep them doing what they wanted with it.

  • @bengottlieb9722
    @bengottlieb9722 Місяць тому +45

    Anakin never would have turned to the dark side if the Jedi order was still like this during the clone wars, in fact there's a good chance that palps would have gotten his ass handed to him if he wasn't careful and didn't adjust his plans accordingly

    • @TheLuconic
      @TheLuconic Місяць тому +2

      Even a basic low tier Jedi would make him pee his pants. This lowly Jedi can easily take Palpatines head off if he don’t take them seriously, let alone a master Jedi who can not only steamroll through Palpatines attacks, but dominate him.

    • @user-hy1se6by3l
      @user-hy1se6by3l Місяць тому +1

      Except Palpatine is the most powerful sith ever. Even in legends continuity. He would've run through the old republic very easily.

    • @erianle123547
      @erianle123547 Місяць тому +1

      If the Jedi Order had by like this leading up to the Clone Wars era, there is a very good chance that Palpatine would have been discovered and trained by the Jedi themselves. The Sith were literally at the edge of extinction during the Rule of 2 era, so if the Jedi had maintained this level of battle readiness, rather than assuming the Sith were gone, then more than likely there wouldn't have even been any sith left to teach Palpatine to begin with.

  • @matthewpengelly761
    @matthewpengelly761 Місяць тому +137

    If Satele was grand master leading up to the Clone Wars, the Sith wouldn't have stood a chance!!

    • @havco501st7
      @havco501st7 Місяць тому +15

      Palpatine would not pull a fast one on her and Qui-Gon Jinn and her would be best friends

    • @MaraJadeSkywalker.
      @MaraJadeSkywalker. Місяць тому +10

      No, unfortunately. The main reason of jedi downfall is old jedi tactics. It is really weird that, people write this claim, although rots novel says that the jedi remained same, and they were only ready for the sith that lived 1000 years ago(the ones who fought against the jedi like satele), while the sith had changed, and they cannot be destroyed by old jedi ways.
      Sidous can defeat most of the old Republic especially post-order 66 Sidious. And the only jedi can resist such a enemy is probably new jedi generation. Which they already did.
      Only thing can Satele would is maybe sensing Palaptine. Because Satele fought for years against sith. While the jedi of Clone Wars generation didn't. But again sith in this era is completely different. They clouded the relationship with Jedi and the force massively. Satele can understand this earlier but still would need time.
      And while they are doing that Palaptine would change his whole plan. He is not only a master of planning, he adapted and changed his plan when maul died, he didn't execute the plan of plagueis completely, he changed it. And if he noticed Satele, he would change it again.
      The claim of "the sith wouldn't have stood a chance!" is not sure and probably wouldn't happen if the jedi were lazy to improve themselves unlike new jedi order.
      And the reason of I thinking that Yoda and Palaptine duel was the best prequels duel(with the novel) is this: "He(Yoda) had lost before he was born." He had lost before he was born... In the last years of the era, Old Republic Jedi made to believe themselves that sith had destroyed(understandable tbh), the new generation did the same thing too, and the generation after "the new" did the same thing. this continued until CW.
      The downfall started before Yoda, and he paid for it. Poor Yoda.
      If Satele had born in the 1000 year-peace era maybe she can do better but not that "better".

    • @ndp7054
      @ndp7054 Місяць тому +10

      The Old Republic Jedi (SWTOR video game) is very action packed and there are virtually no restrictions on things like romantic relationships and families like we see in the eras of the mainstream focus in star wars. Baby Yoda (Grogu) would never have had to choose between being a jedi or staying with his Space Dad. Satele Shan herself had/has a son and while she distanced herself from him later in her life she reconnects because of how much they miss each other. She also wasn't afraid to forge alliances with pragmatic Dark Side Imperials - namely Darth Marr - in order to defeat the greater threat that was the Sith Emperor.
      Also keep in mind the sheer number of thousands of Light Side and Dark Side force users all of whom were battle hardened. When the Sith Emperor (Valkorian as he is mostly known as) grew in power every Jedi and Sith could feel his presence in the Force and his power. So much so that while the Sith Empire would always have an Emperor - following Valkorian's death the Sith abandoned all pretenses of the Emperor being mysterious and all powerful. The Dark Council had so much more say in the affairs of the Empire that it operated less like what you see in the movies (the Rule of Two) and more like an Authoritarian Empire with a clear head of state.
      So if you were to take Darth Sidious and put him in the time period of The Old Republic... no, there's no way he had the power that Valkorian wielded with the Force and with just how many Force sensitives (and so many battle hardened jedi and sith) he couldn't hide his presence the way he did in the Clone Wars and following. The Jedi were far more decisive and also SEPARATE from the Republic's military. If they felt there was a growing threat they didn't just sit by and raise their hand asking: "may I?" They just formed entire strike teams and loaded into the ships with their lightsabers expecting combat. Decisiveness was the rule of thumb in Satele Shan's Jedi Order.

    • @ASNS117Zero
      @ASNS117Zero Місяць тому +4

      @@MaraJadeSkywalker. Oh please. The ROTS novel was written without any consideration to anything going on at Bioware, and TOR, which is the game Satele comes from, hadn't even been released yet when Stover wrote it (and wouldn't be for several years, in fact). Don't try to use something *obviously* not applicable as your main argument.

    • @MaraJadeSkywalker.
      @MaraJadeSkywalker. Місяць тому +3

      @@ASNS117Zero Umm nope.
      yeah RoTS novel is published before SWTOR. And maybe I would agree with you if the source was junior novelisation or another outdated Expended Universe Book.
      But sorry, RoTS novel doesn't have to consider the other things.
      The responsible LucasFilm workers for the continuity like Leeland created a tier-list system.
      And according to LucasFilm article, RoTS novel included G-canon, which means highest rank of canon alongside with George's films.
      And no matter which work contradicted with this, RoTS novel will always be superior. SWTOR itself has to consider RoTS novel, not otherwise.
      So "outdated" argument has no meaning in this case. Unless Lucas himself retconned his own works.
      We can discuss publishing date issues in a kind of situation like two c-canon works contradicting each other.
      "Don't try to use something obviously not applicable as your main argument."
      Well, I think it is a pretty applicable argument.

  • @realrosesaretrulyred
    @realrosesaretrulyred Місяць тому +49

    This youtuber’s dedication to starwars, marvel, and Jurassic park/world is literally PERFECT. I’ve been a fan of yours ever since the beginning and I do love your Avengers action figures. May the force be with you my old friend.

  • @kyceoreaboe1842
    @kyceoreaboe1842 Місяць тому +22

    The old republic is seriously the best lore in star wars...why does Disney insist on making up shit when you have all this golden legends content right here???🤷🏾🤷🏾

    • @Hello-bi1pm
      @Hello-bi1pm Місяць тому

      Disney is greedy and prideful like a Sith. They want to have their own legacy, not pay the authors their residuals for using old lore.

    • @vexile1239
      @vexile1239 Місяць тому +3

      The "message" is more important then anything else

    • @jeffreyblock16
      @jeffreyblock16 Місяць тому

      If they go back too far they have to talk about the Jedi sex scandal and the lawsuits will start again and it’s just a massive headache

    • @deangullberry5148
      @deangullberry5148 Місяць тому +2

      Don't urge them to destroy what's left.

    • @kyceoreaboe1842
      @kyceoreaboe1842 Місяць тому

      @@jeffreyblock16 I'm sorry come again?

  • @HK47Beserker
    @HK47Beserker Місяць тому +45

    Finally, I can now point people to who think the Clone Wars Characters such as Vader, Luke, Bane, and others can match those of the Old Republic. Thank You Stupendous Wave for your eternal well of knowledge concerning the great mysteries and answers that linger within the Holocrons. ❤

    • @galacticfirefly6060
      @galacticfirefly6060 Місяць тому +8

      100% facts 😊👍
      I always vote for the old republic above the trilogies.
      I grew up with the KOTOR and SWTOR games instead of the movies, so nobody can convince me otherwise 😅

    • @bohnimanbarbaruah7914
      @bohnimanbarbaruah7914 Місяць тому +1

      Took u long enough.

    • @tommoore2012
      @tommoore2012 Місяць тому +1

      Even against Anakin before he got burned? During his time at the Jedi temple the only thing that the chosen one was interested in was lightsaber combat.

    • @galacticfirefly6060
      @galacticfirefly6060 Місяць тому +3

      @@tommoore2012 And that is why he should not become a Master to begin with, Strength is useless without wisdom to guide it. And Anakin clearly lacks the Wisdom of a Master.
      Doesn't mean he is the Chosen One and has strong lightsaber skills that he should get frontrow tickets to become a Master.
      And for that, it isn't the Powerfull jedi that could beat vader/Anakin in a fight, it were the Wise ones that could.

    • @HK47Beserker
      @HK47Beserker Місяць тому

      @@galacticfirefly6060 Facts bro 😎👍

  • @thewatcher9500
    @thewatcher9500 Місяць тому +8

    Satile shan is amazing and shes a very underrated jedi and shes one of the most powerful in all of Starwars .

  • @johnhorton4436
    @johnhorton4436 Місяць тому +6

    Not to mention the old Republic jedi of Satele Shans time were still Training like an Army on Standby

  • @Theways12
    @Theways12 Місяць тому +4

    The thumbnail Armor and lightsaber is awesome

  • @galacticfirefly6060
    @galacticfirefly6060 Місяць тому +44

    The jedi were war Veterans for sure during the old republic.
    The jedi were also more gifted. There was this jedi named 'Jeasa Willsaam' who had the gift in the force to sense a person's True Nature, revealing Spies and sith infiltrators immediatly. This litterly summarizes that if a sith tries to pull off a 'Palpatine' that it would fail.
    Imagine the jedi of the clone wars having a jedi gifted with this gift, Palpatine would be discovered way to quickly.
    I always root for the old republic jedi & Sith, they are so COOL!
    Edit: imagine a Hero of Tython vs Darth Vader or palpatine... sorry but neither will be able to beat my jedi knight 😂

    • @bohnimanbarbaruah7914
      @bohnimanbarbaruah7914 Місяць тому +1

      Obviously bruv 😁😄

    • @ASNS117Zero
      @ASNS117Zero Місяць тому +2

      The Hero of Tython is made of pure bullshit and plot armor lol. He literally solos the entire Sith Order in the OT era without taking a single wound on account of the sheer force of his 'good guys must win' plot elements.
      Seriously, the canon TOR protagonist is as much a Mary Sue as we accuse a certain Disney character of being. S'why I vastly prefer the Sith characters.

    • @galacticfirefly6060
      @galacticfirefly6060 Місяць тому +2

      @@ASNS117Zero probably all of them are. I dont expect a Smuggler to take on Revan Reborn or Arcann.
      And yea, its cuz its a MMORPG. They cant just kill off our characters. Yes, the outlander is a god by now.
      The devs try their best to still make our characters look vulnerable. But there is nothing they can't beat in the end

    • @jodyhannah5931
      @jodyhannah5931 Місяць тому

      The Barsen'thor would beat Palp and Vader like a couple of cheap drums.

    • @jodyhannah5931
      @jodyhannah5931 Місяць тому

      ​@@ASNS117ZeroThe Sith characters have the same plot armor as the Jedi characters do. Sith Inquisitor should have been ripped apart by the force ghosts he absorbs. Either way the characters term would still destroy all the clone wars force users. Let's face it Sorcerer and Sage both have their own armies by the time you hit Corellia.

  • @Gor85
    @Gor85 Місяць тому +3

    This is perfect! Satele was perfect Grandmaster.Old Republic Jedi were pure powerhouse.They should have continue. This is perfect! May the Force be with you too😀

  • @orioneverett128
    @orioneverett128 Місяць тому +22

    I'm not the only one that noticed that Satile used the Juyo opening against Malgus on Alderaan, right? And since Vapaad was invented by Mace Windu and Sora Balk, then she's NOT using the light side variant of form 7.
    I'd say that the fact that they're more open to the ENTIRE force, they're more powerful than any force order.

    • @DeathScepter
      @DeathScepter Місяць тому

      Juyo is a Force Neutral Lightsaber form that both Jedi and Sith used.

    • @Arthion
      @Arthion Місяць тому +1

      @@DeathScepter Technically, although the Sith claim it as dark side aligned since it requires tapping into battle lust to use correctly and as such is highly addictive and potentially dangerous for Jedi as it can cause them to fall to the draw of the dark side if not disciplined enough

  • @jesusfernandez974
    @jesusfernandez974 Місяць тому

    Excellent video 👍

  • @hezekiahouterbridge1389
    @hezekiahouterbridge1389 Місяць тому

    Love it. Wish I could watch a series of this era.

  • @DarthNox66
    @DarthNox66 Місяць тому +19

    I think that Jedi won the wor so quikly is not only because of their power, but Sith and they killing each other. No matter which dark side class you chose you will see that Sith are destroying themself from inside. The only things that were keepinh them together like some of Dark Council members like Nox, Marr and Wrath

    • @1qplayer626
      @1qplayer626 Місяць тому +2

      And the emperors abandonement weakened them even more

    • @DarthNox66
      @DarthNox66 Місяць тому +1

      @@1qplayer626 It weakened their morale also, as there was created huge gap in power

    • @MaraJadeSkywalker.
      @MaraJadeSkywalker. Місяць тому +3

      Well, that was the point of rule of two: stopping "civil" war in the sith order. Despite all of its flaws, rule of two worked enough for destroying The Jedi which still didn't improve themselves, remained same, until New Jedi Academy created.
      The Jedi had found the weakness of the sith, just like the sith did during at the end years of OR and during Fall of the jedi.

    • @DarthNox66
      @DarthNox66 Місяць тому +4

      @@MaraJadeSkywalker. This is the problem of the Sith, they will never change, even after Fall of their Empire, Sith were still fighting against each other. If Sith could Unite and explore Force more freelry like Jedi they would beat th living shit of Jedi Order

    • @1qplayer626
      @1qplayer626 Місяць тому

      @@DarthNox66 thats why valk created the zakuul knights. They were balanced and studied more freely than sith or jedi

  • @rosettaaraara6633
    @rosettaaraara6633 Місяць тому +10

    Old Republic Best Era

  • @Emma_2Banks
    @Emma_2Banks Місяць тому +3

    The old republic era was a dominant age for Jedi and Sith. It was just the best era.

  • @jonathontoney2338
    @jonathontoney2338 Місяць тому +4

    The difference in mind set between them is what crushed Anakin, if he had been in the Old Republic era he would have been on par or stronger than Revan. Shame that the clone wars era held him back so much. Ironic that fear leads to the dark side and yet fear of everything is what the clone wars era jedi were all about. They feared Anakin they, feared the separatists, they feared the chancellor, they feared losing their connection to the force, they reeked of fear.

  • @aaronwalker4017
    @aaronwalker4017 Місяць тому

    KEEN AS.!!! Would love to see some trilogies of this era 😍 👌

  • @JamesDrox
    @JamesDrox Місяць тому +20

    Not having the Sith around to fight with made the Jedi weak and complacent by the time of the Clone Wars

  • @videnschaos
    @videnschaos Місяць тому

    I have her journal from the swtor collectors edition way back when! She’s my favorite character

  • @robertrouse8945
    @robertrouse8945 Місяць тому +2

    Why can't we get movies or anime of these stories wow again thank you for the videos 😊

  • @drewwrobel
    @drewwrobel Місяць тому +1

    this commentary on the old republic jedi reminds me on SIdeous' thoughts on why Obi-Won was able to best Darth Vader on Mustofar. Kenobi went into combat with a singular focus on doing whatever needed to be done in order to destroy the SIth, personal feelings and opinions aside. Trusting in the force fully to grant himself the capability to do whatever was necessary for the Jedi to prevail

  • @LASTCYLON
    @LASTCYLON Місяць тому +1

    Best time in Jedi Order imo would love this to be live action moving forward

  • @Cen2050
    @Cen2050 Місяць тому

    Regarding the power possessed by the Old Republic Jedi, and whether they should have kept it, I feel compelled to call upon a great quote from an animated special.
    "Do you know WHY we followed him so easily? The only time he ever called upon that power was when someone ELSE needed it! He GAVE the power away!"
    I, for one, think it was perhaps the WISEST decision in the history of the Order to STOP calling upon and wielding that kind of power. As the video stated, though this era represents the highest peak of power the Jedi achieved, they were ALSO losing people to the darkness. Power corrupts, and the more you have the more you want it.
    The funny thing about power is that while you NEED it, you don't really HAVE it. And when you DO have it, you don't need it. Consider for a moment that we are not, strictly speaking, talking about the Jedi coming out of hiding and knights walking through Sith Lords left, right, and center. They returned clearly, albeit only marginally stronger than the Sith of the time. They NEEDED power but they were still relatively equal to their enemies, so they didn't HAVE power.
    Now, when that conflict was finished they HAD what most would consider vast power, but with no enemy to wield it against they didn't NEED it. Keeping all that power, all that skill and training would have led SOMEONE to dabble in the Dark Side and within 20 years there would have been another schism.

  • @Terenaillion
    @Terenaillion Місяць тому

    This is an awesome video. I honestly wish they had continued on the path Sateele started with being more open to the force as a whole rather than light vs dark. The closest I feel like we get between Sateele and Luke to someone like them is Qui-gon Jinn. Qui-gon was more of a follow the force jedi than light vs dark like the rest of the counsle during his time and had he survived Maul I feel like he'd have done some amazing things for the jedi order. Not to say light vs dark isnt important but he'd have been more open and had a better understanding than most of the force as a whole which I think is a key part of what made Sateele and Luke so powerful.

  • @jordanbutler8530
    @jordanbutler8530 Місяць тому +1

    The Clone Wars Era Jedi got complacent in their power and failed to consider that if the Jedi of the past could adapt and change, then the Sith of the present and future could as well. It was their arrogance and their own power and mindset that cost them the war.
    I love hearing about this kind of stuff.

    • @lordnazar6382
      @lordnazar6382 Місяць тому +1

      Even these Jedi got complacent and over confident. Which is visible when Darth Malgus attacked the Jedi Temple of Coruscant, and he, and a few dozen Sith wiped out almost the entire population within the temple. Including one of the greatest Jedi duelists of his time, Master Ven Zallow. But those Jedi learnt a hard lesson, and quickly got their act together. (for the most part)

  • @brandonkoontz3235
    @brandonkoontz3235 Місяць тому

    I would love to see a movie of this Era

  • @jonahstirbis3408
    @jonahstirbis3408 Місяць тому +1

    The old Republic is literally star wars peak writing and a jedi order that could kill sith and stopped evil in its tracks is my favorite type of jedi order.

  • @TSDT97
    @TSDT97 Місяць тому

    During Old Republic Era Jedi truly feel as Knights that dominate the battlefield rather than monks forced to fight.

  • @Captainval28
    @Captainval28 Місяць тому

    The pre Disney Star Wars comics were amazing, I loved Dawn if the Jedi and the tales of the Jedi comics, not read any novels yet or played the games

  • @littledeutschgirl
    @littledeutschgirl Місяць тому +1

    If the Jedi had maintained this mindset. It would have changed the course of Star Wars history. Anakin may have still slipped to the dark side. Or he simply could have been forced out of the order. Due to his love for Padme, and their babies. But that little change could have averted so many events.

  • @thealphaomega4888
    @thealphaomega4888 Місяць тому +4

    Much appreciated that you acknowledged this as Legends. I really don’t want Disney to ruin the greatest era of SW

  • @BlueSniper-nv2tx
    @BlueSniper-nv2tx Місяць тому +1

    JEDIIIIIIIII!!!!! The force smiles on us.

  • @marciofelipejustino2563
    @marciofelipejustino2563 Місяць тому +2

    Satele shan mostrou como um verdadeiro jedi pode ser poderoso sem dogmas mais sim a força viva.

  • @lucashouse9117
    @lucashouse9117 Місяць тому

    I wish we could get love action shows like this. Where jedi just absolutely crushed it.

  • @nickh0024
    @nickh0024 Місяць тому

    Most jedi of this era also became force ghosts upon death something that had to be rediscovered by Qui and Yoda. They also used insane abilities that most modern jedi would consider impossible. These Jedi were the best of all time. Really goes well with George's original tale of the modern jedi were corrupted and failed anakin.

  • @DarthArachnious
    @DarthArachnious Місяць тому

    I think the structure of the order was holding them back. When Luke was learning as much about the Force as he could. He didn't have the Jedi archives, thanks to Sidious hiding or destroying them. So he studied the Force in as many cultures and religions as possible. Unbiased and open to learning, eventually becoming God tier during the Vong invasion.

  • @Hunterxii
    @Hunterxii Місяць тому +5

    Disney needs to hire this channel for the next movie series

  • @wilrip78
    @wilrip78 Місяць тому +1

    I feel like this description of the jedi is very very similiar to what happened with Obi-Wan when he faced Anakin. He was powerful because he was resolute. Because he could not fail.

  • @kingshadow8782
    @kingshadow8782 Місяць тому +1

    Hey Stupendous Wave.

  • @DMBLaan
    @DMBLaan Місяць тому +2

    I'd say, imo, Luke's Jedi order was better, with Satele's being at number 2. Because I feel like Luke did a better job at preparing his Jedi for the dangers of the Dark Side than Satele did. Especially after how bad she handled the war with Zakuul.

  • @Snowboardjedi892
    @Snowboardjedi892 Місяць тому

    The samurai trooper Jedi looks badass

  • @spadesofpaintstudios1719
    @spadesofpaintstudios1719 Місяць тому +5

    Basically Satele created a Grey jedi order, something that Luke thousands of years later would discover which is why he and any jedi after was so strong. I don't agree with episodes 7-9 but that would possibly explain Rey and Kylo. Satele is her for real probably one of my favorite jedi

    • @MaraJadeSkywalker.
      @MaraJadeSkywalker. Місяць тому +3

      Sorry. There is no "gray" jedi order. They don't exist. Luke and all his students, old jedi, rise of the empire jedi, all jedi calls themselves as jedi. Not gray, black, yellow jedi.
      Being unorthodox jedi doesn't mean gray. This is very normal event in the jedi.
      I think the fandom doesn't really understand the jedi philosophy.
      "This isn't about good and evil," I told him. "This is about the fundamental nature of the Force itself. Jedi are not moralists. That's a common misperception. We are fundamentally pragmatic. The Jedi is altruistic less because to be so is good, than because to be so is safe: to use the Force for personal ends is dangerous. This is the trap that can snare even the most good, kind, caring Jedi: it leads to what we call the dark side."
      -Master Windu, Shatterpoint - Chapter 6
      Jedi just follows the will of force. They don't kill an unarmed enemy just because it is good, because it is safe. By doing this, corrupted side -the dark side of the force can't influence them, so they can follow the will of force easily.
      And Force wants peace, prosperity, wealth for people. Conformable life in balance.
      Life and death.
      The main point is remaining balanced in the force. New Jedi Order did it better. They can turn people to light side way more easily than the old jedi.
      So why we call Qui-gon and Luke gray? They ARE the real jedi. The rules are temporary, will of the force was forever. That's what the jedi says. There is only the force.

  • @onion4620
    @onion4620 28 днів тому

    Overwhelming force is how you defeat the enemy. War is not meant to be fair. Winning means the survival of you and who you protected. Grandmaster Satele’s Jedi understood this. This is why the military train so hard and spend so much money to prepare for war. You don’t want an even fight because you might lose you need overwhelming force to protect those who can’t protect themselves. The Jedi should have remained that powerful.

  • @ShadowXwraith70
    @ShadowXwraith70 Місяць тому

    they def need to bring her story to the big screen

  • @rekinek565
    @rekinek565 Місяць тому

    Could you do a comparison video between Lukes and Satilles order/grandmaster capabilities ?

  • @vaishnavka7767
    @vaishnavka7767 Місяць тому +1

    Do a explanation on hero of tython

  • @jacobdarling1524
    @jacobdarling1524 Місяць тому

    Would love to see Satele’s Jedi Order go up against Yoda’s. Wouldn’t even be a contest.

  • @DimeDoppler
    @DimeDoppler Місяць тому +3

    This is the SW we need

  • @frozenfire2634
    @frozenfire2634 Місяць тому

    it was neccesary at the time but good that they changed back afterwards. IN times of peace they are keepers of peace, in times of war they are soldiers

  • @kevinnitta1301
    @kevinnitta1301 Місяць тому

    it seems right that when even Yoda believed Satele Shan was stronger in the Force than he was that , I consider her the strongest Grandmaster who created the strongest jedi. No dogma eliminates the arrogance many Grandmasters had including Yoda. Later eras the jedi were not forged in battle and became complacent. That is why it fell and never was able to arise again.

  • @susiedyer3260
    @susiedyer3260 Місяць тому

    Hey dude I would love a n depth video on just tu lak hoard I think he's the most dangerous sith ever

  • @Foobits
    @Foobits Місяць тому

    I loved ToR. Jedi shadows ftw

  • @eragon13247
    @eragon13247 Місяць тому +2

    I believe the jedi should have kept this mindset going forward all the way to the Era of the clone wars

    • @SandsOfArrakis
      @SandsOfArrakis Місяць тому

      I guess they became complacent because they believed the Sith had gone extinct for about a thousand years.

  • @koreyfinnell8586
    @koreyfinnell8586 Місяць тому +1

    I do wonder how things wouldve been different if the High Republic era of Jedi kept the same values

  • @Audienc4u
    @Audienc4u Місяць тому

    They should have not only kept it, they should have further explored insights and behaviors in how to safely explore the Force while remaining in the light. Fewer Jedi may have fallen, fewer would be blinded by the Dark Side and its powers and more would be capable in the long term of holding to the light.

  • @colinleat8309
    @colinleat8309 Місяць тому

    They definitely should have maintained that level of training and openness to ALL aspects of the Force.

  • @glennjackson100
    @glennjackson100 Місяць тому

    Mad to think lightsabers and all that were kicking about just 650 years after Busted arrived in the year 3000

  • @rhythm854
    @rhythm854 Місяць тому

    Qui-Gon and satele leading the Jedi would have made them unstoppable, since Satele lead these Jedi to fully opening to the force while making sure they remained hardened warriors, quigon would have helped keep that balance making sure the Jedi didn’t lose that strong spiritual connection to the Force

  • @user-ch5ep3yp9s
    @user-ch5ep3yp9s Місяць тому

    Yes they should’ve always maintained this level of power and ability in the force

  • @wedgeantillies66
    @wedgeantillies66 Місяць тому

    They are a generation, that has been hardened and refined thr5ough the fire and crucible of the great galactic war. So no surprised that they were already a deadly and veritable fighting force, capable of taking on the sith. Satale's reforms merely enhanced and burnished their fighting prowess and abilities in the force to near unhear of levels that they would have ultimately beaten the sith once the great galactic war resumed if the eternal empire hadn't intervened before they could.
    It was a fine strategy for what was in a sense a period of prolonged and open warfare, that the jedi wouldn't see again until the new sith wars and formation of the army of light, that it is no surprise that in peace time, the jedi reverted to a different and more fitting philosophy for that era.

  • @bigblk45
    @bigblk45 Місяць тому

    This needs to be in book form.

  • @DMBLaan
    @DMBLaan Місяць тому

    So what happened to Tython between when the ancient Jedi left it to it's rediscovery by Satele? When it was left there were catastrophic storms and other natural disasters if the Force wasn't in perfect balance on the planet. But when Satele and the other Jedi recolonized it, it was almost full Light Side focused by them and nothing bad happened.

  • @n3xtcentury
    @n3xtcentury 24 дні тому

    it was why Revan went to war in the first place with the jedi, because they forgot how to be warriors and were open to have the sith mow them down.

  • @user-yc9vv9xb8s
    @user-yc9vv9xb8s Місяць тому +1

    I hope we see her in Canon my friends

  • @user-ch5ep3yp9s
    @user-ch5ep3yp9s Місяць тому

    I wish the Skywalker bloodline and Asoka and star killer and Reven’s bloodline would all survive and merge

  • @tiggytheimpaler5483
    @tiggytheimpaler5483 Місяць тому +1

    This explains the Jedi Lord Period how they just said "nope, were not doing this shit all over again, taken over a planet now," and then they skull fucked the sith after a few generations so totally that the jedi order was jaut a shell of its former self the following millenia

  • @ThradNevar83
    @ThradNevar83 Місяць тому

    The funny thing about this is that Revan was right, the light side jedi that embraced the force to its fullest really were stronger than the sith.

  • @raiderax8532
    @raiderax8532 Місяць тому +1

    I can’t help but wonder what it would be like if Anakin was a Jedi in this era. Fall to the darkside in this time yes but rehabilitated he would be and in so doing reaching the full might of the chosen one. Anakin would be sharper on the battlefield at peace in mind as he would learn to fight with everything he had while still holding true to his heart he would give his fear over to the fire and let it burn

    • @johnledesma9996
      @johnledesma9996 Місяць тому

      If anakin would be a jedi in this Era I'm sure he would marry satele. I don't believe that anakin would turn to the darkside. I believe that satele would understand anakin. If she were to have children with anakin, they would have overpowered children. Maybe anakin would end up grand Master and He would have changed the way the Jedi thought.

    • @ASNS117Zero
      @ASNS117Zero Місяць тому

      Anakin would probably just take the Hero of Tython's place, tbh. Dark Side Jedi Knight has a lot of strong parallels to Anakin.

    • @raiderax8532
      @raiderax8532 Місяць тому

      @@johnledesma9996 if for nothing else satele is a baddie (had to get that off my chest) but I think he would. I come from the thought of in order to reach the full might of the chosen one he has to experience both sides of the force first hand and that would give him the full understanding of the force that Luke would get towards the end of his life. For me it’s like in canon he was a Jedi but then fell to the darkside, died and became a force ghost and then in Asoka when we see him use the light side and then call upon his powers in the darkside (flashing Vader) I could see him being grandmaster and it’d be beautiful if he changed the Jedi’s ideology

    • @johnledesma9996
      @johnledesma9996 Місяць тому

      @raiderax8532 Yeah, She is, I just thought that if anakin married satele that luke would probably be more powerful. I wasn't sure if it's kind of like dragon ball z where half saiyans are more powerful and maybe anakin and padme produced stronger jedi or if anakin and satele would have produced stronger jedi since that would combine satele and anakins mediclorians. It was just a thought I had that I wanted to ask. Thanks for answering.

    • @raiderax8532
      @raiderax8532 Місяць тому

      @@johnledesma9996 it’s very much possible Luke would be strong like WAAAAY stronger but in the end it all comes down to the mediclorians you get and what you can do with it anakin and satele making Luke could end up in a force God type shit and would easily stomp abeloth no timberland 😤

  • @WillowExpensive6636
    @WillowExpensive6636 Місяць тому

    Somehow, Satele would have made a wonderful Sith in her quest for power, which could also explain why she got along well with Darth Marr to a certain degree.

  • @HolyWhatIsThat
    @HolyWhatIsThat Місяць тому

    I remember reading the novelization of Episode 2 of Star Wars, where Palpatine acknowledges that current day Jedi are a pale shadow compared to the past. If he had tried his stunt in ancient times, he would likely have been busted almost immediately.

  • @anthonyconard6040
    @anthonyconard6040 Місяць тому

    Who is the Jedi in the armor on the thumbnail of the video?

  • @djroxyshore8789
    @djroxyshore8789 Місяць тому

    i believe they should have kept the teachings of satele and her way of teaching because generations of evoling under her teachings could have prepared the jedi for order 66 and they would have seen it sooner

  • @12bigredd
    @12bigredd Місяць тому +3

    because they actually listened to the force and not the republic.

  • @lordofpain3476
    @lordofpain3476 Місяць тому +1

    Violent space hippies .

  • @shkotayd9749
    @shkotayd9749 Місяць тому

    It is the way of all things to rise or fall to the stresses of their times.
    The jedi of this time rose to fight the very real possibility of extermination.
    They were eventually SO successful that they created the conditions that led largely to a peaceful period of nearly a thousand years and grew softer to those times.
    Despite the very real machinations of the Sith during this period, that is still a stunning accomplishment worthy of the ages that they kept the pendulum from swinging back for that long. But, swing back it must, eventually.
    Give them credit where due. It took historically clever, and convoluted planning to bring the Order down once again. And in the end, all that did was serve to rebalance the Force.

  • @user-qp2jp7zb6l
    @user-qp2jp7zb6l Місяць тому

    More planets atuned to the light side pls

  • @chaosuniverse8005
    @chaosuniverse8005 Місяць тому +1

    Revan really was the chosen one of the Old Republic
    He destroyed the Sith in his age and his generations continued his path

    • @4imrbambi931
      @4imrbambi931 Місяць тому

      He ended the threat of the mandalorians (who were secretly backed by the till then unknown sith empire).
      He would go and find this threat only to be imprisoned for nearly 400 years by vitiate. He was killed by a fuggin random player group. I don’t dive into the ghost of revan shit that followed a few years later but vitiate was just badass.

  • @RandyRibbon
    @RandyRibbon Місяць тому

    Absolute power corrupts absolutely

  • @juliorodriguez4954
    @juliorodriguez4954 Місяць тому

    She truly lived up to grandfathers legacy. Revan would be proud of her. I only wish Yoda was more like her. Then Anakin would have never fallen to the dark side and order 66. Will never had happened, because the Jedi would have known about the emperor grand plan before hand. The Jedi would have been more enlightened and more powerful in the force. That clone wars wouldn’t have lasted so long.

  • @Eilal188
    @Eilal188 Місяць тому

    🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @alarce5384
    @alarce5384 19 днів тому

    More more more.

  • @HolyknightVader999
    @HolyknightVader999 Місяць тому

    Mace Windu had to try and kill Palpatine to neutralize him. Nomi Sunrider would've just cut him off from the Force, neutralizing him without laying a finger on him.

  • @FrankJ222
    @FrankJ222 Місяць тому

    Imagine a jedi wearing pure beskar

  • @spotify80
    @spotify80 Місяць тому

    The Jedi’s power is centrifugal & the Sith’s centripetal

  • @ColdHighway7
    @ColdHighway7 Місяць тому

    Satele most likely would've sniffed out Palpatine and Qui Gon would most likely still be alive. My question would be how she would handle the legitimate grievances of the CIS? Alternatively she could've also seen what Dooku saw that caused him to lose faith in the Jedi and worked to correct it.

  • @absent_noise7408
    @absent_noise7408 Місяць тому

    I kinda have a theory. What if Anakin wasn’t the only person made or “influenced” to be the strongest. Anakin was made to balance the Force, both sides of it. But what if the Dark Side made or influenced another being before him? Darth Sidious was so powerful that he even came close to the Son. Who embodied the Dark Side. There’s more things like even Sidious himself wondered if anyone before him was stronger than him.

  • @flyingtiger1603
    @flyingtiger1603 Місяць тому

    I believe they were better because they had to be. The Sith were way more numerous back then whereas by the clone wars the Jedi believed the Sith were defeated to the point where before the Phantom Menace the Jedi thought the Sith were completely extinct. Therefore the Jedi relaxed in their training and skills to the point where they became a lot weaker.

  • @rodgerscott8808
    @rodgerscott8808 Місяць тому

    Imagine how Anakin would have been if this was his master?

  • @themetal6216
    @themetal6216 Місяць тому

    Old republic order is the GOAT.

  • @sebastianbauer4768
    @sebastianbauer4768 Місяць тому

    Just look at the badass armor the knights wore. Like duh, armor works. Putting some blaster resistant metal between your vital organs and your enemies is just smart. They also used personal shields so … yeah. Extremely hard to take down via a cheap surprise shot in the back. They were elite forces and had the gear to match.

  • @user-ch5ep3yp9s
    @user-ch5ep3yp9s Місяць тому

    She is such a bad ass she gets it from her father I don’t know if she gets it from her mother too

  • @warwolf88
    @warwolf88 Місяць тому

    the jedi needed the sith to stay focused and intune with the force beacause without them the jedi grow weak and complacent and less 😊vigilant

  • @AdrianMartinez-ho6db
    @AdrianMartinez-ho6db Місяць тому

    Ik the Jedi are peace keepers but man do they make a good militant order as we can see. Just sucks that it leads most to fall to the dark side

  • @MattMoore-kh8iq
    @MattMoore-kh8iq Місяць тому

    Should’ve kept it.💯

  • @DEVUNK88
    @DEVUNK88 Місяць тому

    I love how the jedi where super powerful but literally got wiped out by buckethead clones with blasters

  • @michaelschuette1743
    @michaelschuette1743 Місяць тому

    The jedi should have definitely stayed in the Era of strength you never know when you will need it..