If you are going to install a seal using a socket like that you should use the old seal on top of the new seal as a sacrificial hammering surface. By using the old seal it will allow your hammer blows to be spread out across the outer surface of the seal. This also works really well to install new bearings as well.
Bill the seal should be driven in from the other side check back on your video and it will become obvious needs to go back in the same side it came out I thought you was driving it in from the wrong side so I checked back on your video hope this makes sense regards Alan push new seal in on the outside edge of the seal
Thank you for your video I watched it frame by frame as I did my own seal. Your Canadian accent made it even better! Thank you again for taking the time to share!!!
The PTO shaft in my buddies grandpas International farmall 856 snapped, because his grandpa is old and just pulls the tractor away, and with those he had to park it on a sand mound because the oil comes pouring out when you open it up.
That PTO shaft does not run all the time you just have it engaged. That little handle on the left if you throw it towards the front it disengages the PTO. PTO over running coupler is about $60 usd and I would highly recommend getting one. . The overrunning coupler allows you to brush hog without the brush hog pushing the tractor by centrifugal force while you’re trying to stop. Basically just imagine your brush hogging and you want to stop so you press in the clutch but the swinging blades underneath the deck that is still attached directly to the transmission keeps driving the tractor forward, kind of fucking scary.
Consider investing in a Cordless impact gun for the shed, The bigger ones will give an air impact a good run for their money and you won't need a big air compressor to run it.
I believe there are metal seals out there instead of this rubber thing. I'm going to need to do this same job and I'm absolutely getting the metal one.
You don't need to remove the PTO shaft to replace the seal all you need to do is use a slide hammer ant the seal will come out and when installing the new one clean up the shaft lube the seal and tap it in .
Looks like two options for the shaft. 1) Speedy sleeve seal repair. 2) Send to machine shop (i.e. Adam Booth 'ABOM79' or Keith Fenner 'Turn Wright') As far as the shaft 'always being in gear', this machine pre-dates the development of "live power" on ag tractors. You will notice that the PTO stops when you push in the clutch and stop, but continues to turn if you are freewheeling (in neutral) down a slope. IF you put something like a brush cutter on the PTO (and has a lot of inertia) you may find that it will drive you right through a fence or ditch if you try to stop by only pushing in the clutch! The inertia will continue to drive the rear end, until energy is expended. BE SAFE! In the day, Ford DID sell an 'over-running clutch' for these. It bolted on with the four seal bolts and extended the housing and shaft significantly. So much so that some three point attachments would NOT clear and many PTO driven implements required shortening of their shafts. Ken
I’m not sue if it predates fords live PTO I just don’t think this model has it. This is an 801 model right? If it’s not an 801 I am talking out of my rear end.
Do you like speedy sleeves? They have gotten me out of a pinch but they seem to only last a few months. Calling a machine shop to save that shaft sounds dumb when you can get that shaft built as an assembly for under 200 bucks
@@billstmaxx My old 9N leaked when I bought it and knowing that I would never use the PTO I simply bought a PTO cap and screwed it on. No more oil leaking out. 15 years later and it was still leak free with the cap on. :-)
Your PTO shouldn't have to run all the time for the hydraulics. Try lifting the arms with the PTO out of gear. Loving these videos of redoing this old girl. You are doing a great job of refurbishing her!
@@peggychristopherson1863 my 1949 8n is the same , PTO must be engaged to work hydraulic. Not sure if you are aware of this trick. But if you tractor is not running, you can lift the hydraulic, if you have an attachment on, by turning off PTO and rotating the PTO shaft back forth. Works the same principle as a hydraulic jack. Just be AWARE the tractor may roll ahead when you are rotating the PTO shaft.
I bet it has to be inserted from the other side with a hollow tube to tap the inside of the seal. I would put the clip on the outside to stop the seal popping out. But im likely wrong as well ha ha :-D
Next time you have an issue with something, going back together... watch your own video and see how it came out. You are pounding that in from the wrong side. Also Bearings should be pressed in not pounded with a steel hammer. I am sure you know by now that you put the seal in from the other side and then put the retaining clip back in. We're at 38:40 and you are still pounding it in. My guess is the first time you put power to it the seal is going to blow out.
All I’m going to say is don’t buy the oem ford pto seal Get it from Steriner tractor parts and they last forever I use two F901 all the time to farm 160 acres
A brain surgeon 😂😁🤣 Seriously watch this video and imagine a brain operation..this gives you a thumbs up for entertainment purposes this is great,thanks👍
yes spray welding and turning it down way cheaper than a new shaft if there anyone in your area . there a you-tuber in Florida who takes work for ppl and sends it through the mail his channel is Abom79 great mechinest and he has a few on spray welding repairs
I you hav the equipment to o that work or a buddy maybe, but to cold call a job shaft and have them spray and turn that shaft would be a decent bill. You can actually get that PTO shaft completely built up for a decent price. 3-4 hundred
why would you want to create an oil path on the outside of the seal is beyond me. never lubricate a seal on your housing. and never lube a bearing when pressing
If you are going to install a seal using a socket like that you should use the old seal on top of the new seal as a sacrificial hammering surface. By using the old seal it will allow your hammer blows to be spread out across the outer surface of the seal. This also works really well to install new bearings as well.
Bill the seal should be driven in from the other side check back on your video and it will become obvious needs to go back in the same side it came out I thought you was driving it in from the wrong side so I checked back on your video hope this makes sense regards Alan push new seal in on the outside edge of the seal
Thank you for your video I watched it frame by frame as I did my own seal. Your Canadian accent made it even better! Thank you again for taking the time to share!!!
Excellent vid. Hope your seal holds. FYI , they make Ann overrun adapter for your machines PTO. Not cheap but safer. Thanks for your efforts 👍
The seal is pushed out the other way, when you put the new seal in, replace the one C spring and push seal snug against it.
Just a tip bill when installing seal if you can always drive the new one with the old one
I love that kind of work keep on doing that bill bill good job don't second-guess yourself just do
The PTO shaft in my buddies grandpas International farmall 856 snapped, because his grandpa is old and just pulls the tractor away, and with those he had to park it on a sand mound because the oil comes pouring out when you open it up.
I had to take a valium, you gave me major anxiety, like drinking a double americano, but soo good
PUTTING IT IN WRONG SIDE
It’s driving me crazy watching you work at it
It’s a very simple job
Invest in a 20 ton press for your little shop. They're about $140 bucks. Love mine for wheel bearings and such.
That PTO shaft does not run all the time you just have it engaged. That little handle on the left if you throw it towards the front it disengages the PTO. PTO over running coupler is about $60 usd and I would highly recommend getting one. . The overrunning coupler allows you to brush hog without the brush hog pushing the tractor by centrifugal force while you’re trying to stop. Basically just imagine your brush hogging and you want to stop so you press in the clutch but the swinging blades underneath the deck that is still attached directly to the transmission keeps driving the tractor forward, kind of fucking scary.
Consider investing in a Cordless impact gun for the shed, The bigger ones will give an air impact a good run for their money and you won't need a big air compressor to run it.
the PTO lever is IN operate mode , push it forward to take it out of gear
That is a spring clip.very common on tractors and equipment.
Thanks for showing where it's all at.pry that snap ring out and up,slightly enough to get your second screw driver under neath. Try that little trick.
Hey bill you could have used the old seal to drive it in or went to princess auto and got a seal driving set
Dose it's job at pissing us of when trying take the clip out
use the vice to press the seal into place
I thought he had a small shop press
If you're not going to use the pto, purchase a cap and cover the end. If the seal still leakes the oil will just stay inside.
That's exactly how I fixed the leaky PTO on my 9N. 15 years later it was still leak free.
It’s good to use cap to keep dirt out also
I believe there are metal seals out there instead of this rubber thing. I'm going to need to do this same job and I'm absolutely getting the metal one.
You don't need to remove the PTO shaft to replace the seal all you need to do is use a slide hammer ant the seal will come out and when installing the new one clean up the shaft lube the seal and tap it in .
I have a PTO shaft out of a 50 8n Ford it's the old one I took out.
Painful to watch, meet the flintstones, proper hack 🙄🙄🙄
Looks like two options for the shaft. 1) Speedy sleeve seal repair. 2) Send to machine shop (i.e. Adam Booth 'ABOM79' or Keith Fenner 'Turn Wright')
As far as the shaft 'always being in gear', this machine pre-dates the development of "live power" on ag tractors. You will notice that the PTO stops when you push in the clutch and stop, but continues to turn if you are freewheeling (in neutral) down a slope. IF you put something like a brush cutter on the PTO (and has a lot of inertia) you may find that it will drive you right through a fence or ditch if you try to stop by only pushing in the clutch! The inertia will continue to drive the rear end, until energy is expended. BE SAFE!
In the day, Ford DID sell an 'over-running clutch' for these. It bolted on with the four seal bolts and extended the housing and shaft significantly. So much so that some three point attachments would NOT clear and many PTO driven implements required shortening of their shafts.
Ken
I’m not sue if it predates fords live PTO I just don’t think this model has it. This is an 801 model right? If it’s not an 801 I am talking out of my rear end.
Do you like speedy sleeves? They have gotten me out of a pinch but they seem to only last a few months.
Calling a machine shop to save that shaft sounds dumb when you can get that shaft built as an assembly for under 200 bucks
Clean that bore with emmery cloth and make sure you aren’t catching on something or make sure you don’t have a step in the bore
Set it up horizontally and use your vise as a press
TSC sells adapters for cheap
Bill if your not going to use the pto why not just make a block-off plate and eliminate the pto?
ya could have.. Then there would be that one time lol
@@billstmaxx My old 9N leaked when I bought it and knowing that I would never use the PTO I simply bought a PTO cap and screwed it on. No more oil leaking out. 15 years later and it was still leak free with the cap on. :-)
Your PTO shouldn't have to run all the time for the hydraulics. Try lifting the arms with the PTO out of gear. Loving these videos of redoing this old girl. You are doing a great job of refurbishing her!
@@peggychristopherson1863 my 1949 8n is the same , PTO must be engaged to work hydraulic. Not sure if you are aware of this trick. But if you tractor is not running, you can lift the hydraulic, if you have an attachment on, by turning off PTO and rotating the PTO shaft back forth. Works the same principle as a hydraulic jack. Just be AWARE the tractor may roll ahead when you are rotating the PTO shaft.
I bet it has to be inserted from the other side with a hollow tube to tap the inside of the seal.
I would put the clip on the outside to stop the seal popping out.
But im likely wrong as well ha ha :-D
post to be 30 feels like +36 tomorrow here in pei wich gonna suck but at least less mowing and weed wacking thank goodness lol
Next time you have an issue with something, going back together... watch your own video and see how it came out. You are pounding that in from the wrong side. Also Bearings should be pressed in not pounded with a steel hammer. I am sure you know by now that you put the seal in from the other side and then put the retaining clip back in. We're at 38:40 and you are still pounding it in. My guess is the first time you put power to it the seal is going to blow out.
If he was a brain surgeon he would have even more work
Use the old bearing to hammer it in.
helps if you hammer in center and not one side only
I don't do alot of seals so I don't have a driver set like you I use sockets but to not damage my socket I have cheap dead blow hammer
If you are not going to use the PTO, remove the shaft and make a plate and close off the opening.
use old seal to drive in new seal
Klutz at work
Lol I've been waiting for this video
thats cool
You should have used the right size drift
Some grease on the seal so it will slide.
All I’m going to say is don’t buy the oem ford pto seal
Get it from Steriner tractor parts and they last forever
I use two F901 all the time to farm 160 acres
A brain surgeon 😂😁🤣
Seriously watch this video and imagine a brain operation..this gives you a thumbs up for entertainment purposes this is great,thanks👍
what are those thread's for ..maybe a collar or seal retainer thread's on there..
where in Canada do you live I live in Ontario Woodstock
Near the water lol
This is the USA what in the h*** is a kilometer??
Just blank off the pto shaft for now.
The seal should be clean on the outside
There is a guy on UA-cam named Abom79. He may be able to repair that shaft for you. He is a expert in that type of work. Check out his channel.
Shaft repair sleave.
Would freezing the seal and heating the housing help I know it's does on some things
yes spray welding and turning it down way cheaper than a new shaft if there anyone in your area . there a you-tuber in Florida who takes work for ppl and sends it through the mail his channel is Abom79 great mechinest and he has a few on spray welding repairs
I you hav the equipment to o that work or a buddy maybe, but to cold call a job shaft and have them spray and turn that shaft would be a decent bill. You can actually get that PTO shaft completely built up for a decent price. 3-4 hundred
If you took this much time to strip the PTO assembly down surely you just replaced that 10 dollar bearing.
Bore you up that clip back in grind the ends down at an angle that will allow you to get behind it with a screwdriver much easier
Sir I don't care lets see repair lol
Use the old bearing.
To hammer it. In.
Old bearing? Bearing wasnt replaced as far as i know
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why would you want to create an oil path on the outside of the seal is beyond me. never lubricate a seal on your housing. and never lube a bearing when pressing
hey bill keep the great work man check my UA-cam my dad and I put v12 Lincoln flathead in ford 8n with serman transmission
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It's a year since you stated the plandemic was killing you. Are you still alive or did it finish you off finally?
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