WeThePeople yep and if I was there to promote a product or make a video like these two were there for I’d make sure to drink a cup of coffee, a redbull, a line of coke or SOMETHING so that I at least seemed interested. How can they expect others to care if they don’t?
@@djsity I absolutely have to agree with you. I appreciate the videos & the info in them but this was so damn long & drawn out that it was painful. Sad to say but it being at SHOT is nothing more than a dumbfounded excuse & completely backwards. There's a reason that Ben Stein isn't a boxing or MMA fight promoter or an infomercial salesman. Did Billy Mays ever sound like a doped up sloth on the nod?
Valuable info here on the new silencer line. I have the (now legacy) SRD models in 5.56 and 7.62 so I'm glad to hear the commitment to continuing to support those. Never had any complaints about those cans but I sure like the continuing evolution of the products, both the silencers and firearms, optics, etc etc....
Kit Badger - No doubt. I’m just a dreamer who would rather see more manufacturers go the Dead Air or Q route and work with others mounting systems ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@bofeity that was Kevin Brittingham's goal when he started the ASA establish a regulating body, share information and create industry standardization like a SAAMI for suppressors, but Waldron turned ASA into another NRA
I still haven't ever owned a suppressor. Are suppressors easy to install. Also i have a 2.23/5.56. Is it even woth spending $1300 for a device that minimally reduces sound?
Idk why, but that Sig rep reminds me of a non-buff (or maybe not as buff) Batista (former wrestler with WWF/WWE). His face and voice sound almost exactly like him lol.
Could you do a video on your initial thoughts on the cross v. Fix really interested....my money is still on the fix but looks like a lot of the same tech, or at least thought process on how to address specific issues...I know you maybe didn’t get an in depth rundown on the cross but...ya know...I’m about to pick up a fix but the cross is still intriguing!
When I get more time with one I will. I don't think they are that similar other than at a glance. The Cross is closer to a 700 in a Chassis I think. A lot of rifle for the money though I'd wager...
Kit -- what was the weight like in hand? I know these aren't the official release items but what was your thoughts? I feel like they're not releasing that info because it's bad?
The Ti one felt light, but I have no idea what the actual weight is. I think they aren't releasing it because it is probably more a matter of finalizing production designs, not sure though.
A flow-through design is a huge factor to guarantee hearing-safe levels for the shooter. Without backpressure and noise coming out of the chamber towards the shooter's ear, most of the sound and blast is directed downrange.
I have a SIG762QD, and I'm really eyeing these for a lightweight 5.56 can, less backpressure combined with a piston system would make for a very clean gun!
When will these be out? I’d love to see a cutaway of what these cans looks like inside... Daniel defense’s 3d printed can sucked. When you got to shoot these did it feel like it was forcing the blast down range like the CGS Hyperion? Did it seem to be low back pressure?
@@darrinray550 Glock lost, and nasa is a private agency who creates RFP’s and EOI’s. There is no “umm” as there is no correlation to actual procurement in your response.
@@undefined7141 umm.. Ok, glock in years past undercut and actually provided FREE pistils to LE agencies and NASA undercuts EVERY SINGLE BUDGET presentation to intentionally keep private space exploration from ever fulfilling any contracts. They of course never cone in under or within budget but that isnt the point. Politics and money. Sigs are great but they aren't "better" than glock or beretta. They certainly didnt build a better SURG at all... Why did they win?
@@darrinray550 I will need, factual data not anecdotal evidence. Provide the RFP, the big criteria and the filed objections to the COR. The evidence must be citable, and repeatable. I will follow up from there. Otherwise, relize you are way over your pay grade and living in Dunning-Kruger land.
With all the new cans coming out, or out in the past year or so, have you thought about getting the various companies to send you a set to test? I would love to see them tested indoors, with controlled temp and such and standardized testing...
A sound meter that meets the Mil Std. is crazy expensive. Not worth the investment for me. Especially since dB ratings are just one piece of the puzzle.
I have bought in to Sig before, in fact I own too many. Am I justified to feel that they change directions with every generation of weapon. Some are half baked, never have reverse compatibility, or competitive aftermarket support. Sig manufactures cool weapons but.... Ivan, cool content and looking forward to more from SHOT Show.
I don't want to sound too fanboyish, but I think Sig has been innovating on a level that no other firearm company has. When you try to push the envelope, sometimes you're going to have failures. Most are QC'd out before they hit the market, but there are limitations to how much development you can apply to a product before you release it and begin seeing a return of investment.
I feel you, but I do appreciate that they move on. Look at SureFire for example. They make some amazing muzzle devices, and their cans are great, especially from a durability standpoint, but they are still using the same locking ring that can require you to shoot the can off after it becomes welded on with carbon. Sometimes you need to let things die and move on to better tech.
@@KitBadger Thanks for listening. I am just a consumer that sometimes "knows more" than the experts. What is not always thought about is that Sig is always moving the industry forward.
Kit Badger They are out of Oregon and make the best cans in earth. They are hard to get as a civilian but are the lightest, quietest and lowest back pressure cans on earth. Their Brevis 3 cans are amazing but I’ve been having trouble finding one for sale... I think they are focusing on suppressors for the new military 6.8 contracts. They are 3D printed inconel, stellite and or both titanium. www.deltapdesign.com
@@thegolflife7565 In reality, who really cares what product Brevis is making? Their intended market is not civilian, the Design III is not available to the civilian market, even though we the civilians are paying for them. With that said they can keep their weird sex toy looking suppressors and shove them up their asses. I’ll spend my money with Surefire/KAC/AAC where I can own the exact same thing the military is using (minus is NSN serial number). Companies whose business model is to create the super ninja products for government agencies only should remember who is paying for it in the end.
Technically it still is molten hot metal, but small enough to be classified as 'sintering'. The metal is in powdered form, a microscopic combo if the material and flux; then a laser heats up a point on the surface and fuses a small portion of the powder together. Do this enough times with an automatic system constantly brushing new layers of powder on top of the fused layer and you pretty much have a 3D metal 'printer'.
Wrong. Flow through silencers with out the front venting have existed since at least 1910, and flow through silencers with out the front venting with coaxial spiraling elements have existed since at least 1919/1927. Multiple layers sending gas back and forth have existed since at least 1925. OSS didn't invent any of that stuff at all, and they sure didn't come up with taper mounts either. YHM's mount patent from 2006 specifically mentions using a gas sealing taper in front of the threads and secondary retention method.
@@joshparker4491 YHM's 06 design didn't catch the eyes of the industry, OSS's flow through design(their design no on elses) brought something new to the industry. It's their design, they made it. SIG saw the mass attention OSS got and followed suit to make their own copy of it, kinda like how Chevy copies Ford after Ford made the raptor and would you look at all the chevy trucks today the resemblance of the Ford Raptor. Using your logic if someone made a simple metal brick that could hold up the empire state building by using their own methods and metallurgy to make the brick withstand the immense weight of an entire building, they didn't invent shit because someone else "designed" the brick and someone else "discovered" the specific metal they used 1,000 years ago. lmfao
Didnt sig and q all day OSS flowthrough technology was bullshit and faux engineering? But here they are now doing something that sounds very similar...
Y'all are like the teacher in Feeris Bueller's Day Off. Bueller, Bueller, no Bueller. Come on. You are making suppressors out of space rocket materials. I was more excited than you, and you are holding one.
This is perhaps the least energy I've ever seen out of two people. It's not possible to be more monotone. Being in front of the camera is not for you fellas. I feel like Sat night live could do a parody of this.
People that want a Fix, don't want a Cross. And anyone that begins comparing the two, really just wants a Fix and are trying to justify spending less on the Cross. They are largely two separate markets. The Cross is probably a great rifle (I haven't spent meaningful time with it), and for the price beats out anything else in that price range, but it isn't the Fix.
You're wrong, you have it completely backwards. Q copied the Fix from a SIG striker fired rifle prototype which existed long before Q was even a thought. Even Ethan Lessard, who is Q's head engineer, told me about it a number of years ago. Q wasn't launched until 1 MAR 2016. The Fix was publicly announce 28 DEC 2016. Preorders for the Fix were started 1 FEB 2017. The means they were designed, prototyped, tested, and everything necessary to go to production had been complete in only a 7-8 month window, and that's because they had a significant head start because they copied it from SIG's prototype, not because they had EnGiNeErS. Q also took the Erector from SIG when they left. A SIG video from April 2015 titled "SIG Silencers, Episode 1: Why SIG" even shows a SIG employee working on the Erector, that guy now works at Q. Either way the Erector is a copy of a 1992 Heckler & Koch patent for scalable thread together baffles and also a copy of the scalable thread together baffles with exterior tool features from Nielsen and Schultz & Larsen silencers. Q just happened to release a version of it before SIG, just like they did with the Fix.
So I learned hardly anything at all about the can! Yay! No cutaway or video to show a comparison with their oldwr designa or other baffle designs or against something like OSS or Larue Or LMT...
Outstanding presentation all the way up to the 30 second mark where he has gum in his mouth! Wow, what a professional!
This dude knows fuck all about sig's products . They chose him to present because he has a deep assertive voice. It's all about marketing...
Thanks for the deep insight... ...and commenting... ...for the algorithm.
Yep I need that
This was the most dry interview ever conducted in human history lmao
SHOT is very taxing without caffeine!
You said it man, holy S it's terrible
Were you looking to be entertained? All there pertinent information was contained within. I appreciate this type of content.
Probably not, but I understand what you're getting at. Next time I'll get some chainsaws and dirtbikes going in the background to assuage your ADD...
Kit Badger yesssss! Dooo it!
Thx bud, wow repairable yes that will work. Take care bud..
Yes, the fact it can be repaired is a big deal. :)
This had to be the most boring interview I've seen in a shot show vid LMAO
Only up from here then. #win
Then don't watch it. It's not supposed to be entertaining, its informative.
Nobody chewed gum when NRApubs and TFB did an interview about these suppressors. SMH
I was thinking the same.....
So when did James from TFB or the tall dude from the NRA get an answer on a release date?
This might be the most boring interview about this can but at the same time is the one with the most information about this can so i'll take it
That's fair.
Bueller... Bueller... Bueller... Bueller... This was about as exciting as trying to watch CSPAN
Haha...I was thinking the same thing
Wow, these dudes both sound like they're about to fall asleep...
You ever been to SHOT?
WeThePeople yep and if I was there to promote a product or make a video like these two were there for I’d make sure to drink a cup of coffee, a redbull, a line of coke or SOMETHING so that I at least seemed interested. How can they expect others to care if they don’t?
@@djsity I absolutely have to agree with you. I appreciate the videos & the info in them but this was so damn long & drawn out that it was painful. Sad to say but it being at SHOT is nothing more than a dumbfounded excuse & completely backwards. There's a reason that Ben Stein isn't a boxing or MMA fight promoter or an infomercial salesman. Did Billy Mays ever sound like a doped up sloth on the nod?
Dude almost choked on his gum. That brought him back for a second...zzzzzz...."I"M A PEOPLE PERSON! WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE!"
Cool!
Valuable info here on the new silencer line. I have the (now legacy) SRD models in 5.56 and 7.62 so I'm glad to hear the commitment to continuing to support those. Never had any complaints about those cans but I sure like the continuing evolution of the products, both the silencers and firearms, optics, etc etc....
Agreed, glad they are supporting older tech while the move forward.
@@KitBadger this video, at 4:28, shows you firing 7.62 MCX VIRTUS. was this implying the 300BLK model which is 7.62x35?
“......and......”. Dear lord, you’ve met another human to match your insomnia-curing cadence of speech.
And you've watched it and commented. Thanks on both counts. :)
Kit Badger Also liked! Keep the vids coming bro.
More proprietary mounting! Yay!
No kidding.
No such thing as a industry standard. :) At least Sig, Q and HK are tapering their barrels.
Kit Badger - No doubt. I’m just a dreamer who would rather see more manufacturers go the Dead Air or Q route and work with others mounting systems ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@bofeity that was Kevin Brittingham's goal when he started the ASA establish a regulating body, share information and create industry standardization like a SAAMI for suppressors, but Waldron turned ASA into another NRA
I still haven't ever owned a suppressor. Are suppressors easy to install. Also i have a 2.23/5.56. Is it even woth spending $1300 for a device that minimally reduces sound?
Why is that guy chewing gum?
Probably trying to quit tobacco,,, lol
He’s at SHOT show. He’s talking at higher than conversational tones for hours on end each day. Dude probably has a dry mouth.
I love the high energy here!
Best. Audio. At. SHOT 2020!
Joe_K High definition gum chewing.
Filming on the floor is ridiculous...
Idk why, but that Sig rep reminds me of a non-buff (or maybe not as buff) Batista (former wrestler with WWF/WWE). His face and voice sound almost exactly like him lol.
That interview was like pulling teeth..... Sig needs a new marketing guy.
Last day of SHOT Show man, if you know, you know. :)
Let's see who can have less emotion
Ivan, thanks for video, did they mention having to buy a new barrel to fit the new muzzle device for the SLX?
No, they should be backwards compatible. Just swapping muzzle devices.
👍
Could you do a video on your initial thoughts on the cross v. Fix really interested....my money is still on the fix but looks like a lot of the same tech, or at least thought process on how to address specific issues...I know you maybe didn’t get an in depth rundown on the cross but...ya know...I’m about to pick up a fix but the cross is still intriguing!
When I get more time with one I will. I don't think they are that similar other than at a glance. The Cross is closer to a 700 in a Chassis I think. A lot of rifle for the money though I'd wager...
Kit -- what was the weight like in hand? I know these aren't the official release items but what was your thoughts? I feel like they're not releasing that info because it's bad?
The Ti one felt light, but I have no idea what the actual weight is. I think they aren't releasing it because it is probably more a matter of finalizing production designs, not sure though.
The original Sig cans were great already. If isn't broke don't fix it.
No sense in improving things... #justasgood
They actually fixed a massive problem BLOWBACK
Sooooo wants!!🤯🤯🤯
They look pretty cool. :)
The highlight was waiting for dude's gum to go flying.
Sounds interesting but we'll have to wait to get the db specs
@@t1tan19 My ears beg to differ
Hearing safe is hearing safe. After that there are more important things.
A flow-through design is a huge factor to guarantee hearing-safe levels for the shooter. Without backpressure and noise coming out of the chamber towards the shooter's ear, most of the sound and blast is directed downrange.
Awesome! I need that suppressor! Congrats Ivan you have the only interview where Sig says the release time frame for their new suppressors.
#winning :)
I have a SIG762QD, and I'm really eyeing these for a lightweight 5.56 can, less backpressure combined with a piston system would make for a very clean gun!
Agreed.
Sounds like they took an OSS and a dead air and made a baby
That Sig poor guy seemed exhausted. Hope he got some sleep.
Also, Whoa! You can 3d print inconel and titanium?
Last day of SHOT Show, everyone is burnt. :) And yes, crazy technology!
I don’t see this as a step up for sig silencers
And you went to Shot Show anyway. Don't blame you..
Wish I could be there.
When will these be out? I’d love to see a cutaway of what these cans looks like inside... Daniel defense’s 3d printed can sucked. When you got to shoot these did it feel like it was forcing the blast down range like the CGS Hyperion? Did it seem to be low back pressure?
They should be out this year. My use was limited, not enough to make much of a judgement.
Damn good work SIG. repairable, built for the professional literally crushing the mil market.
Umm... They just pulled a glock/NASA move: design requirement or close to and just undercut everyone else.
@@darrinray550 Glock lost, and nasa is a private agency who creates RFP’s and EOI’s. There is no “umm” as there is no correlation to actual procurement in your response.
@@undefined7141 umm.. Ok, glock in years past undercut and actually provided FREE pistils to LE agencies and NASA undercuts EVERY SINGLE BUDGET presentation to intentionally keep private space exploration from ever fulfilling any contracts. They of course never cone in under or within budget but that isnt the point. Politics and money. Sigs are great but they aren't "better" than glock or beretta. They certainly didnt build a better SURG at all... Why did they win?
@@darrinray550 I will need, factual data not anecdotal evidence. Provide the RFP, the big criteria and the filed objections to the COR.
The evidence must be citable, and repeatable. I will follow up from there. Otherwise, relize you are way over your pay grade and living in Dunning-Kruger land.
Here I was thinking you finally made it and you couldn't even get Hollister on. Son, I am disappoint.
I told him you were going to fight him, he said he'd kick the shit out of you.
@@KitBadger You spelled shin wrong.
I need this in my life.
They are looking pretty cool...
This thing looks pretty awesome. Looks like they kept all the good things from KB and took it a step forward.
The 3D printing technology is pretty crazy. :)
Nice good to see more company’s like OSS SUPPRESSORS.
Not allowed to shoulder brace in California?
Nowhere, sometimes it happens unintentionally though...
With all the new cans coming out, or out in the past year or so, have you thought about getting the various companies to send you a set to test?
I would love to see them tested indoors, with controlled temp and such and standardized testing...
A sound meter that meets the Mil Std. is crazy expensive. Not worth the investment for me. Especially since dB ratings are just one piece of the puzzle.
Kit Badger: Why you ripoff The Fix from Q?
HK Rep: .......... Sorry my mom call me... i must leave...
Anyone else HATE when people chew gum during interviews.
Idk why but it drives me nuts.
Maybe he just needed a cigarette?
It’s nothing against him personally. Idk why it just drives me nuts.
The Mount seems like an updated ASR Mount coolieo
What is being done to mitigate thermal signature and flash? One of the issues w/flow thru and secondary ignition of gasses and unburnt powder.
Other than the part of the video mentioning the built in flash hider? :)
The guy in glasses reminds me of freshman year speech class.
Well, I guess that is what I get for looking to this channel for inspiration and guidance: ua-cam.com/channels/KZpV4IKkK7xWrAN0vEPXZg.html
@@KitBadger shots. fired.
Cool video.
Similar to OSS in function. I like the 3D printing.
wow. my guy! put some energy behind your voice! "soooo okaaaaay.."
No.
Dude. Did you prepare for this interview?
Dude. No.
I have bought in to Sig before, in fact I own too many. Am I justified to feel that they change directions with every generation of weapon. Some are half baked, never have reverse compatibility, or competitive aftermarket support. Sig manufactures cool weapons but.... Ivan, cool content and looking forward to more from SHOT Show.
I don't want to sound too fanboyish, but I think Sig has been innovating on a level that no other firearm company has. When you try to push the envelope, sometimes you're going to have failures. Most are QC'd out before they hit the market, but there are limitations to how much development you can apply to a product before you release it and begin seeing a return of investment.
I feel you, but I do appreciate that they move on. Look at SureFire for example. They make some amazing muzzle devices, and their cans are great, especially from a durability standpoint, but they are still using the same locking ring that can require you to shoot the can off after it becomes welded on with carbon. Sometimes you need to let things die and move on to better tech.
@@KitBadger Thanks for listening. I am just a consumer that sometimes "knows more" than the experts. What is not always thought about is that Sig is always moving the industry forward.
Im excited for the cross as Im in Australia
Great info, but dude, drink a Red Bull before an interview, I almost fell asleep.
#lastdayofshotshow
Lol the new buzzword is low toxic fume ... wow we really do suck
Man, where have you been all week? At the Casinos?
Hot Tub...
@@KitBadger 👭🥂🍾... Figures!
Was Delta P Design at Shot Show?
Would like to know this as well
I'm not sure who that is, so I don't know.
Kit Badger They are out of Oregon and make the best cans in earth. They are hard to get as a civilian but are the lightest, quietest and lowest back pressure cans on earth. Their Brevis 3 cans are amazing but I’ve been having trouble finding one for sale... I think they are focusing on suppressors for the new military 6.8 contracts. They are 3D printed inconel, stellite and or both titanium.
www.deltapdesign.com
@@thegolflife7565 nice, I've never checked them out.
@@thegolflife7565 In reality, who really cares what product Brevis is making? Their intended market is not civilian, the Design III is not available to the civilian market, even though we the civilians are paying for them. With that said they can keep their weird sex toy looking suppressors and shove them up their asses. I’ll spend my money with Surefire/KAC/AAC where I can own the exact same thing the military is using (minus is NSN serial number). Companies whose business model is to create the super ninja products for government agencies only should remember who is paying for it in the end.
Made it through the entire video....Bring it on Sunday, what else ya got!?!?!?
Well, beats me how anyone can 3D print with metal. Unless it is molten, hot, metal. But is sounds like it checks off all the points.
Technically it still is molten hot metal, but small enough to be classified as 'sintering'. The metal is in powdered form, a microscopic combo if the material and flux; then a laser heats up a point on the surface and fuses a small portion of the powder together. Do this enough times with an automatic system constantly brushing new layers of powder on top of the fused layer and you pretty much have a 3D metal 'printer'.
@@AnonEMus-cp2mn Pretty cool. Has anybody tried an AR lower yet? Because you just know they will try!
@@chrissewell1608 A few years ago a company made a completely 3D Printed 1911. Every component including the barrel!
@@AnonEMus-cp2mn Did it work? I am sure a $700 mfg. Gun would end up costing $2,500 if 3D printed.
@@chrissewell1608 ua-cam.com/video/zJyf1IrHtcE/v-deo.html
Trash Panda already took my money. “Tappers are lives”
SIG762QD for me. Tappers are lives!
I felt depressed after this video.... 😐
Who goes on video chewing gum ? Like bro why ?
Patrick Shamsuddoha I was thinking the same.
My first thought also (also stopped video because of it), how is he allowed to do a video promoting something?
May do it because of nerves. It's helped me in the past.
Y'all are seriously that triggered by a dude chewing gum? Chill out; you got the info, he spoke professionally, and you didn't die.
@@unashamedly1776 Exactly how I feel.
Lol OSS copy cats all the way down to the tapered mounting so no fouling into the locking mechanism
Wrong. Flow through silencers with out the front venting have existed since at least 1910, and flow through silencers with out the front venting with coaxial spiraling elements have existed since at least 1919/1927. Multiple layers sending gas back and forth have existed since at least 1925. OSS didn't invent any of that stuff at all, and they sure didn't come up with taper mounts either. YHM's mount patent from 2006 specifically mentions using a gas sealing taper in front of the threads and secondary retention method.
@@joshparker4491 YHM's 06 design didn't catch the eyes of the industry, OSS's flow through design(their design no on elses) brought something new to the industry. It's their design, they made it. SIG saw the mass attention OSS got and followed suit to make their own copy of it, kinda like how Chevy copies Ford after Ford made the raptor and would you look at all the chevy trucks today the resemblance of the Ford Raptor. Using your logic if someone made a simple metal brick that could hold up the empire state building by using their own methods and metallurgy to make the brick withstand the immense weight of an entire building, they didn't invent shit because someone else "designed" the brick and someone else "discovered" the specific metal they used 1,000 years ago. lmfao
Seriously guys back off the coffee....
Didnt sig and q all day OSS flowthrough technology was bullshit and faux engineering? But here they are now doing something that sounds very similar...
Gum chewing absolutely unacceptable
Your a high speed, sloooow dry talking badass, next time prep for your interviews.
Y'all are like the teacher in Feeris Bueller's Day Off. Bueller, Bueller, no Bueller.
Come on. You are making suppressors out of space rocket materials. I was more excited than you, and you are holding one.
love the suppressor and want to look more into it, but dam this guy is dry when it comes time interviewing. zero passion.
Last day of SHOT Show, if you've ever been, you'd get it... :)
Have you seen Palmetto State Armory???
I didn't make it to their booth at SHOT.
My lord this sig dude is horrible . The mil wants the mil wants how about what the civilian wants !
WTF ? Is that guy chewing gum during a recorded interview? Come on Sig. Get someone more professional to represent your brand. SMH ....... DISLIKE
your THAT petty? damn people really do always gotta have something to complain about....
By chance meet DonutOperator?
He's my favorite.
I didn't...
This is perhaps the least energy I've ever seen out of two people. It's not possible to be more monotone. Being in front of the camera is not for you fellas. I feel like Sat night live could do a parody of this.
We tried to make them more like this: ua-cam.com/channels/Jol-8czxDcEf_4Q3qGC7VQ.html But, you know...
q the fix knock off, not sure how you can promote their product given your relationship to Q.
People that want a Fix, don't want a Cross. And anyone that begins comparing the two, really just wants a Fix and are trying to justify spending less on the Cross. They are largely two separate markets. The Cross is probably a great rifle (I haven't spent meaningful time with it), and for the price beats out anything else in that price range, but it isn't the Fix.
You're wrong, you have it completely backwards. Q copied the Fix from a SIG striker fired rifle prototype which existed long before Q was even a thought. Even Ethan Lessard, who is Q's head engineer, told me about it a number of years ago. Q wasn't launched until 1 MAR 2016. The Fix was publicly announce 28 DEC 2016. Preorders for the Fix were started 1 FEB 2017. The means they were designed, prototyped, tested, and everything necessary to go to production had been complete in only a 7-8 month window, and that's because they had a significant head start because they copied it from SIG's prototype, not because they had EnGiNeErS. Q also took the Erector from SIG when they left. A SIG video from April 2015 titled "SIG Silencers, Episode 1: Why SIG" even shows a SIG employee working on the Erector, that guy now works at Q. Either way the Erector is a copy of a 1992 Heckler & Koch patent for scalable thread together baffles and also a copy of the scalable thread together baffles with exterior tool features from Nielsen and Schultz & Larsen silencers. Q just happened to release a version of it before SIG, just like they did with the Fix.
So I learned hardly anything at all about the can! Yay! No cutaway or video to show a comparison with their oldwr designa or other baffle designs or against something like OSS or Larue Or LMT...
Surprise!