There's actually a really cute/cool reason why the starter decks are going to be so cheap. Each deck will cost 333 Yen and they will release it in 2 waves in Japan, 3 in the first, the other 2 later. So the 3 decks will be 333x3 which is 9 threes. 3 in Japanese is pronounced san and 9 is kyu so together it is San Kyu or Thank you. It's a thank you from Bushiroad to their players for it's 10th anniversary
Bermuda has always and will always be sold like shows are sold in weiss shwartz. It doesn't make nearly as much money as you think. If it did they would get sets 4 times a year like paladins do.
@@koku6626 yeah. They get them once a year. Weiss sets are sold the same way. Its just one show in a box by itself. Bermuda was made to get weiss players into vanguard. Also explains why they go ham on the SPs because in weiss foil cards are way harder to come across.
These start decks get 4 copies of important cards with one copy being foil. The real problem with Vanguard is their formats. Getting a 3rd format when they could hardly support 2 previously is going to be real hard to play since it divides the community on what formats people want to play.
(except front trigger #frontTriggerjustice) but yeah your right. Luckily though the new guy leading the vanguard IP seems to actually care about the fans, so maybe they will find a way to make 3 formats work. edit: Sleep is an important thing so you don't make mistakes at 6 in the morning.
The Overdress format is probably the best format to play in though. You're no longer hamstringed to a certain clan which means deck building becomes diverse and matches are no longer decided in the first redraw now that you specifically set aside one card of each grade
I would call it more of a relaunch this time. The game is resetting, but with no old characters, and with a fundamental change to how the game is played.
@@four-en-tee clans aren't mixable. But any support that comes out of Overdress will be able to be used in the clans for Premium format. So all Dragon Empire cards in Overdress can be used for Kagero, Narukami, Nubatama, Murakumo, and Tachikaze. Keter Sanctuary cards can be used in Royals, Shadows, Golds, Angel Feather, OTT, Genesis. And so on and so forth for thr rest of the nations.
mostly playsets* there is like 4 cards in holy dragon DSD01 that aren't at playsets but are at 3. the supportive g3 a grade 1 front trigger (Sadly to make room for the over trigger one trigger had to) and the order card in Holy Dragon (no confirmation we will get orders in all of them). But yeah you are right.
@@summermermaidstar756 I'm curious to see which decks will want to do that. It'll be weird seeing cards that look like Force units benefiting from fronts, but I'm glad we're not going back to stands.
Awesome review, loving how you keep it 100% legit like how you usually do. Just wanna point that out, the start decks, Bushiroad actually mentioned to get a play set (4 copies) of every card and also get 1 foil of the main G3. So for $4 it's not bad at all.
So far on the product schedule there isn't any product only supporting 1 of the 6 nations, the Bermuda Triangle nation (Lyrical Monasterio) will probably get one but they don't get main booster support. Over the past 3 years Vanguard has moved away from entire decks of name based cards as well, we sometimes get a few cards that support one particular boss card though. Vanguard also has a new director in charge of it who previously worked for Wizards on MtG and apparently singlehandedly saved shadowverseCCG so the new changes are part of his we're told "10 year plan" for Vanguard. Start deck contents seem to be about the same as previous more expensive trial decks with a few less foils (1 instead of 4 or 5), key cards appear to be at 4 copies, other cards that are usually less useful (we're not 100% sure yet though) are at 3 copies.
Yeah but with larger card pools, it’s inevitable we will get large archetypes similar to YGO. V managed to avoid it because clans were already essentially archetypes and Bushi knew how to design better by that point. Not that I’m complaining. It’s important to implement it gradually like YGO did for greater success.
Thank you so much for addressing this! There are still various hurdles that bushiroad must overcome (and may not be able to) but people interested in vanguard are excited and completely terrified.
Reducing the number of clans is something players have been thinking of for some time now and they should've done it in 2018 with the V reboot. Hope it sends the game in the right direction.
@@huyvuminh1048 Oh please. Granblue is already confirmed to be getting a theme in the 1st set. I'm sure every clan's aesthetic and playstyle will be released given time.
@@HunterSerge Sure I don't care regardless the game is now beyond recognition both game play wise and aesthetic wise, you can do what you want I won't any other Bushi game again.
@@huyvuminh1048 It really isn't. I'm skeptical myself because Bushi still needs to prove they'll do better card design, but the Ride Deck and Nation-based Deckbuilding are strictly positive changes, that maintain everything fundamental to the game, while getting rid of its worst elements.
@Nill Null I don't like overdress or the V do you got the problem with that ? the more or less you guys say anything doesn't change the fact that I'm quitting
The trial decks have playsets of all the important cards and there is a foil card in there. Not to mention the important cards are getting special reprints in a booster soon after suggesting that they're important.
The company is just kinda bad at making games and has canceled a lot and his old video no longer is public cause after he criticized vanguard in the OG series he got attacked super hard from the community
if you want a really fast tldr basically he decided to criticize the game but failed completely by attacking the game for the wrong reason. he also blew a fit on a kid too due to anime related reasons as well which made his standpoint much worse. here's the long explanation: Basically he criticized the game but the bulk of it was due to the anime. If he criticized how the marketing was done because let's be honest as much of a fanboy I am for cfvg I will absolutely agree that bushiroad is garbage at marketing (vanguard zero sucks too but not going there) or the gameplay loop itself as it is heavily luck based at many times (shivers in quadruple heal triggers on first draw and mulligan) it would have been completely fine if he criticized the game's element itself or had at least read up on the rules of the game (something most other commenters have noted that a quick google search is enough for) but he decided to unfairly criticize the game via the anime and it eventually went to the stupidity of criticizing the story for being a slice of life story or having very low stakes throught its first seasons which was what set cardfight vanguard apart from the other anime for me but hey everyone's tastes are different so who am I to judge (that and I feel like stories where they have super high stakes are the worst when it comes to animes based on games because the victories become predictable, something that made Arc-V and shows later really bad, it was also something 5D's was criticized for) and then decided to rag on it for the "is that card from the pack that just came out?" line and decided to twist it into indoctrination, he also blew over a massive fit over a kid saying that line though apparently he lost and the kid won so the proper context isn't even there because he lost even though he got the new card so the kid probably asked a genuine question and then he twists it into "them animus are indoctrinating kids" when the kid has a very visible sad face and I mean kids are very impressionable and he was likely standing and was towering over the kid when he had his fit at him which is also another explanation for the kid's expression.
@Nill Null I define a fit as negative over reaction so I will take that. though the presumption of towering over the kid is what likely happened because he's taller than the kid as he is an adult and the kid was not older than 12 by his own admittance, and he straight out talked down on the kid for no legitimate reason. I say that because he left a bit of context as the pack just came out and the kid had just won completely and then talked about the card (he won 0 sets after all) that and the context doesn't match the quote and the kid would have seen the card mid game and would have likely said the quote mid game if that was his aim but he did it post game. that and his claim of "vanguard completely ruined card games for me" is either him over reacting or he did say more than "did you just quote the dumbest line in the show"
@@beecherry3943 thats not the reason at all lol. He criticized the game for the wrong reasons. Bushi has had vanguard and weiss alive for so long. And you can say all companies do a bad job at their game. WOTC, bad balancing, bad premium product, bad card stock. Yugioh, low interactive gameplay and bad balancing which requires banlists every month. Pokemon, non-existant competitive scene and all skyrocketing collectors market.
Rebirth for you is a remake of an older Bushiroad game called Victory Spark and Chaos died a few years ago after about a 10 year run? The starter decks for Vanguard have 3-4 copies of every card, the only real concession seems to be that only 1 card in the deck will be foil, but they're gonna release a set that has 10 new cards (you only need to buy 4 boxes to get a playset of all the new cards) and foil reprints of all the starter deck cards, so I imagine the starter deck cards are actually going to be good.
so i am a massive vanguard stan so i am just gonna try clear a couple things up while being as impartial as possible. 1. a lot off the changes are probably due to the new producer keita mori, the man who saved esports in japan and has worked on shadow verse credited as saving them from the worst meta off all time and also worked for wizards off the coast on magic the gathering. 2. the trial decks are coming with 4 offs and 1 foil card so yes if you want to max it you might off had to buy 4 but also at the same time we are getting a set with sp versions off the trial deck cards for the true whales (as well as new cards obv). trial decks are also retaining original packaging to show off the boss unit. its also the first time the cheap price has been brought over to the west as far as i am aware so that good :). 3. you are correct on the subclans we have already seen dark states start deck looks very much like the spike brothers clan, one off them looks like great nature, and the first set also looks to contain link joker and granblue style cards. Personally i am excited the change should for a lot more creativity and mori has been super engaged with the community on twitter especially the west which makes me very happy cause it felt like western fans would be ignored sometimes. i will still have my favorite clans (in particular in the eternal format premium) but also a little apprehensive cause i like palemoon in dark states but not really the other 3 so will be interested to see just how integrated the decks become.
The $4 MSRP start decks will contain 1 RRR and play sets of every staple and key cards. Plus a playset of perfect guards. By lowering the decks to 6 nations, the game also brings back archetype mixing. Plus this change is a direction made from a brand new director. The company even apologized for how the V series turned out.
I do like how now if I wanted to I can mix aspects of different clans together because they are the same nation on the aesthetic level cuz they are the same nation. Like lets say Im playing stoicheia and focusing on the animal stuff (which already looks like a fusion of neo nectar and great nature) but if a good looking "granblue" looking unit (cuz technically it's not granblue but it's aesthetically and skill wise gonna be like one) came along I may want to tech it. And of course Keter Sanctuary having all the knight clans is gonna blend together themeatically perfectly
Don't know if I'm gonna get into Vanguard with this, but if my LGS gets product I'll get some. Also really hoping I can get the vaccine soon so I can spend more than just 5 minutes at my LGS at a time.
The Start decks will actually have 1 foil cover card, as well as a playset of most of the cards (with only a 2~4 exceptions where you get 3 of a card) with the same box as the original $18 trial decks when the game first came out, and apparently the same card stock quality. The booster boxes however will remain the same price, and they change the card rarities to reduce the cost for players to build decks while also giving collectors / vendors ways to make a profit and collect higher rarity versions of lower rarity cards. Ontop of removing the clan system, we will also have a ride deck to reduce the chance of miss riding. Overall a lot of great changes.
Also it was stated by Bushi that these new start decks will contain 4 of the main important units (aka the boss unit) and there will be a foil card in each deck
Clan mixing didn't get broken until Legion Mate. And it got broken there because they all of a sudden stopped printing any clan restrictions. It is completely desperation, the 1st reboot was overall a flop and sales have been dropping basically its whole run, but that's more the result of power creep and boring card design, instead of clan bloat, so this might not fix that at all. Oh, lastly, there's been zero sign of monthly releases right now. Current schedule is looking like 1 Standard product, then next month is V/Premium product, and then back to Standard the next month.
@@nmr7203 You might notice not once do I shit on Kohdok in this comment. Just adding some context or additional information. Not like there's anything on this video to shit on anyways, aside from saying vg players disagreed with his previous statements on clan bloat when long time vg players have been complaining about clan bloat for years. (the solution is even exactly one i and others had been suggesting) But i can certainly believe casual vg players disagreed on clan bloat, so fair enough.
As someone who regularly plays Vanguard (I even went to regionals in the before times), I appreciated your critique of the game itself and showed me how someone could dislike it beyond “it’s a game for weebs” (especially as I don’t even like it for weeb reasons and not a fan of Bermuda myself). I feel it’s important for someone to know the flaws in something they like so as to not be so militant in defending it. It’s just a game, after all. I do feel this is a step in the right direction but so many are out for blood because this is yet another hard rotation where the main format doesn’t let us use cards we already have. This sort of thing was inevitable though. I think after this, people will likely quit if they do a third one. I literally can’t even think of a way for them to justify another hard rotation beyond money. PS: they’re still sticking to a Weiss Schwarz-like license type thing in Vanguard by essentially making additional non-canon nations of other properties with their own boosters because of course they are. It’s kind of weird how they keep doing that with their games, honestly.
yeah that is one of the main reason I quit BF and Vanguard too. My favorite clan AqF, and Tachikaze always get little to no love and the licensing stuff is just feel so out of place
@@crabshit589 go for it man. The clan has always been on the cheap side and it’s just that it isn’t popular, not that it isn’t good. I honestly consider it the best of the “unpopular clans” as it has always occasionally topped events for quite a number of years. V cards should also drop in price soon as people gradually abandon V in favor of D (or quitting entirely).
On the set list for the vanguard overdress start decks Most of the good stuff that you want (the boss for example) is gonna be at playsets, with a few 3 ofs thrown in and even a full playset of over trigger which you only need 1 of because the "Over Trigger" is a hard 1 per deck. And 1 foiled out version of the boss unit of the start deck.
@@nirnayjaiswal2919 wrong, mathematically that doesn't work. Based off holy dragon's list cardfight.fandom.com/wiki/D_Start_Deck_01:_Yu-yu_Kondo_-Holy_Dragon- they put a 3 of for a supporting grade 3, for the front trigger (to make room for over trigger), a supporting grade 1, and the order card. So 4 cards at 3 ofs, it's MOSTLY playsets. But good chance the ones at 3 ofs are not gonna be in ran once the first booster of the new standard is out.
@@summermermaidstar756 what I remember from the vanguard insider video there are supposed to be 4 of every card to get to total of 44 not counting the 3 front trigger , the 1 over trigger and 2 order cards making the total to 50 making it mathematically correct to and yeah, most likely the supporting grade 3 is going to be in the deck till the next set drops after it getting of the deck.
@@nirnayjaiswal2919 yeah so it's more safe to say playsets of everything (btw there is 3 copies of the order card). Although if the ratio for triggers is the same in all (probably is) I may need to pick up another front trigger cuz Im going for stoicheia and they seem to favor fronts based on them being multi attack based
@@summermermaidstar756 personally I too would most likely decrease the number of grade 1s now that the ride deck exists to make room for the extra front trigger
Desperate more like too little too late. Many stores won't be continuing Weiss and Vanguard past V. The biggest Weiss vendor just went out of business. I look at distributor sites and none of these start decks have sold out. They will very likely just going to be sitting on shelves like Weiss Trial decks. You still likely need half a case anyways for a playset. The real issue with Bushiroad are the solo print runs. A card will get one printing and that is it. It rarely shows up again, but if it does it isn't at a lower rarity. This causes Weiss and Vanguard prices to go out of control.
Finally, a comment I can get behind. :) I hate when people put Bushi on a high pedestal & refuse to see all the issues with Vanguard atm. Used to be my favorite game, evenmoreso than yugioh at one point. But now it is just not the same.
@@nonoaheart5594 Their games are just way too expensive to keep up with, even on a rogue level. VR's, RR's, RRR's just never get printed into a rarity easier to pull. Rather than go back, they just seem to keep on shoving new cards out, then rebooting and starting over. This means you are paying hundreds of dollars on your releases just to be there. I still buy their cards because I like how the Weiss cards have Japanese on them, and I like reading them
fun fact about the starter decks since you mentioned them. they are 333 yen and are split 3-2 since 3 in kanji is san and 9 is kyuu since the number 3 would appear 9 times it's said as san kyuu which sounds like thank you, they likely did that 3-2 starter deck split because it's Vanguard's 10th aniversary so they want to say thank you to the playerbase
Wait if they're changing each unique 'attribute' into a grouping of attributes, I will 120% pick up this game again and play it, I'm only 30 seconds in but that is HUGE
The start decks are also like 1/5 of the price of v era and g era trial decks I think so you can just drop a $20 and have all the trial decks and spread them amongs a small group of friends
I'll be honest, I kind of don't like the softer clan boundries - one of my favourite things about vanguard was, well, each deck getting a distinct playstyle, rather than mush every good card together into a more consistent and powerful but genericly grey and uninteresting deck, and merging them together just... works against that; like sure, there will probably be dragon empire cards that echo narukami and kagerou, but kagerou always worked better, so the pressure will be to use the kagerou-equivelants, even if you mght still want the 1-2 narukami boss cards I'll admit that part of my feelings come from being in an area where vanguard is big nd in easy demand, and the fact me only being interested in a small number of clans meant I only needed to buy vanguared every few months to still be in a playable state for casual play - not meta play since powercreep is a feature, but enough to play casually and still have a chance - meant I could keep up with it without massive investment and have it there as a side game. changing it up so the meta for each clan changes every booster means it's no longer a game I can just duck out of buying for a while, but one that you do need to pay attention to for every set that and bushi also has a bad habit of making each support for a deck (in all their games, not just vanguard) more 'replace your entire deck with these new ones. they're the same card but better' over 'these are new options for that deck and sure they have a higher power cieling but your old cards still work' and the cynical side of me is just reading this as "mwahahaha now *everyone* has to replace their entire deck each booster, not keep their deck for the year and a half and then change it. we're geniuses"
Yup, someone tried to argue me that "It wouldnt make sense if my deck that is 2-3 years old is still able to compete." if the decks & every card in it becomes obsolete that fast, that is an issue in itself.
The video is quite interesting to say the least. But I think that while there is going to be a foil card, quality may suffer as @Kodhok says. The main reason is that similar to the foiling on the Majesty Lord Blaster deck and the Clan Selection in English, the foiling may have a coating to give that glossy almost fake feel to the cards as opposed to the classic matted finish. As funny as it sounds, glossy coatings are an easy way to make cards shinier without having much added cost when compared to a standard foil. But when done poorly, these glossy coatings leave a terrible impression on the raw card(s) themselves as I tend to single sleeve frequently, relatively speaking. The texture of the new shiny cards from Clan Selection feel fake to me, even if the product is genuine. There was always a familiar card texture associated with a certain rarity until it changes. The foil pattern came and went, but the texture was always consistent until recently. I will always dislike LR cards for that exact reason. Not only did texture feel abrasive, but the familiar foiled cards felt so brazenly foreign to me. That also affected how I received cards with too much gold in the background as this was the first rarity change that happened. To this day, I still don't like cards with gold borders for messing with my mind on card texture and the perceived level of being genuine, even though logically the cards are. It also explains why I do not mind SP and VR cards, but dislike SVR, SCR, and other rarities with a gold border surrounding the entire card, oddly enough. But for sure, quality is an issue that I feel like you have nailed on point. The only other time I've experienced something in a similar manner with a major shift in card texture was when Yu-Gi-Oh had Duel Terminal cards back in the 2010's with that shiny pattern. There may have been cards such as Royal Decree with a similar texture, but the experience wasn't there for me until the early 2010's which is why I think that card texture can be addressed. As a player of Vanguard, I will say that your criticisms have their merits, but your execution doesn't come off as polished at times because of a certain video that I have also seen ages ago. This time though, your criticism has really delivered on one aspect of game design for sure, but as polished as that segment was, you clearly could have taken a few more minutes to read and sift through the community for more information. Other than that oversight, you do carry out great content.
They New starter decks actually contain 4 ofs of the majority of the cards (safe for the new trigger type, and new order card introduced for each nation). I do not not recall whether or not Bushiroad is doing their usually foil method of giving out 3-4, one for the main grade 3 and then one for each descending grade but the card quality is said to be the same. The information is still being given out in bits of pieces but there's more to look forward to.
The reason I don't like this is because Bushiroad has just abandoned the current format without fixing any of that format's problems and resetting the card pool yet again.
Holy heck! I almost didn't watch this video because it has "overdress" in the video and you were overdressed in the thumbnail, so I had thought you've made just a poor sketch video! But instead you've actually made a full Vanguard video! That's great, thank you so much!
its amazing to me how hard cancelled harry potter has gotten. its gone from a widely beloved franchise to practically birth of a nation status in just a few years (worst part is, it kinda deserves it)
My thoughts are this: "All Paladins" is going to be fucking disgusting. Memes aside, I think that while this is ultimately going to be a good thing for Vanguard, I don't think it's going to solve their problems overnight. There's a LOT of cards in Vanguard that explicitly mention other cards or clan-specific archetypes and abilities (one that comes to mind are Revengers in Shadow Paladin), so you're still going to see a lot of people prioritizing single-clan decks in order to play to the strength of a certain archetype (since that's just generally how Vanguard works). Although, maybe I'm just being incredibly closed-minded about this new development: people were already mixing cards from the original run and from v-series to begin with in their premium format or whatever tf it's called, so I'm sure there's a lot of busted combinations that are going to be possible now because of this as well. Who knows, maybe theres a pair of clan specific archetypes (lets just say Ezels and Battle Sisters for the sake of discussion) that might synergize really well with one another, plus we'd be able to see multiple types of imaginary gifts in a single deck. Hell, i don't think I'm ready for Link Joker, Nova Grappler and Dimension Police to start intermingling. Just the thought of giving those decks more locking capabilities is terrifying to me. Oh god, if only Genesis and Dark Irregulars could mix. That shit would be disgusting. I still think Vanguard's biggest problem though is going to be it's card prices. Like Yugioh, Vanguard is really fucking expensive to even build decent decks for. Although, who knows: maybe this new development in the rules of the game will result in prices lowering for some reason or another. Also, there is a quote unquote "clan" that can be included in any deck period. They're called Cray Elementals, and I have one in my Kagero Rebirth deck.
Um several things wrong first of all, nations going forward won't be using the older cards so any existing subarchetypes dont exist in the new standard. And ya can't mix in premium or v premium. There are no more imaginary gift units also in the new series.
I've always wanted to get into Vanguard, but the sheer number of clans and the fact that my flgs didn't carry it made the barrier to entry way too high. If they start to stock it, I'll probably pick it up
$4 decks are not industry standards for the west. The ones you are talking about are Japanese versions. Even the english version of the digimon starter decks are $10-20
Vanguard is interesting in the sense that normally the community is concentrated in a small number of stores that are mostly Vanguard focused, at least that’s how it works in my city there is this store in this mall that has the whole Vanguard community.
Can confirm that’s how it works. Just a smattering of stores here and there with the product. Honestly, any TCG that isn’t “the big three” will be like that. When a big TCG comes out, many LGS will stock their product until the ones where it didn’t take off stop buying it and it settles into various local communities. That’s pretty much the only way for any of them to survive these days after the market dominance of “the big three” came about in the early 00’s.
@Nill Null I mean that the first reboot they promised the game would be better run, powercreep would be under control, etc they can rave about the cygames guy all they want, but literally no one I know plays shadowverse or cares for it. they didn’t “save” shadowverse imo - just kept it from completely imploding. imagine your favorite celebrity messes up very bad and promises you they’ll reform. two years later, and the “reform” never happened. why on earth should I give vanguard and bushiroad ANOTHER chance? do you have any idea how burned my friends and I feel? we invested a ton of money into the first reboot, and now none of those cards will be legal for what is presumably their newest and likely best supported format of the game. screw that
The old R&D team got fired apparently. Their card design sucked so much that I legit thought V was the worst card game on the market. However this reboot is really promising, I'll give it a try. If you don't want to lose your V cards you can always play Premium, it's much more fun and interactive than the old standard could have ever been. And, since Bushi released some really dumb cards for V during last year, you don't really need to spend much at all to get into Premium with your V deck
@@DXYS95 thank god they got fired I agree that the reboot is interesting, and I’ll give them credit that they’re taking steps (and in my opinion, the “right” ones) to fix up their game. But look at their awful track record; how many of their games have bombed within 2 years? Reboot-guard, Luck and Logic, and there was that god awful mtg ripoff they did a while back (Dragoborne). Each of these I tried, and all of these have failed. Their track record is far from stellar. I doubt that the “Shadowverse guy” can fix an entire company bent on destroying its own products. It’s sad that the other few products they have are literally just promotional material for other franchises (ie Weiss Schwarz)
I honestly wouldnt give Bushi another chance either. "You can always play your V cards in premium" people say then they forget how pretty much everything break ride & before are completely obsolete in current premium format.
So many years I've played Vanguard... I truly feel it was a waste of money. The only time a TCG made me feel like that. Even Yugioh didn't make me feel like that.
It can't be the latter, because there is no such thing as too much ranch. Honestly you'd probably be better off taking the vegetables out of your bowl to make room for more ranch.
About the big licensees TCG, you correct. It call Chaos TCG. My opinion of that one is the complexed one in Bushiroad card game so far. Sadly it ends their line sometimes ago and move on the licensees to other TCG like WS. (but it last longer more than 2 years for sure)
Well, unless they start to make generic support in each nation, its not going to change anything. Archetype generally beat attribute, expect in some special cases, so they need to print some really strong card to break this
There will be some generic support just as a matter of course. Triggers and perfect guards are universal, for one. And if a card let's you draw or counter charge without too many hoops that will be a staple. And within nations, there might be some cards meant for one deck that helps out another, like a pale moon card that can call from the soul being used by a dark irregular deck, or a dimension police type deck using a card meant for nova grapplers to rest and a rearguard.
@@legendredux1291 they're waiting til they ban halqifibrax, that way they can make ojama lime a tuner without having to immediately emergency ban him on release
I think it's because they were cannibalizing themselves.... when DragoBorne was coming they had like 3-4 card games with Luck and Logic also looming in the distance. while other companies... well they really only had 1 card game to look after. Cutting there game down to 3 (1 being JP only if my memory serves me right) was the move. honestly loved buddyfight mechanically until they added Lost World aka an extra deck that wasn't necessary to me. RIP BuddyFight... that being said only makes sense that vanguard and Weiss were the last ones standing here considering they are the 2 "oldest" games they have and well the 2 that have had the "most success," Vanguard have a weird Nostalgia factor and Weiss being the anime/cartoon super license card game
Honestly, I'm so happy with overdress. I dont care too much for bushiroad other than playing bandori and vanguard, and im excited for the types of decks we can make now with the bigger nations
Sooo do you think what they did would be a good thing for the company or would it go down, I play vanguard and I honestly think they did the right thing
As someone who saw the now taken down video, I have to say I'm glad you've calmed down in this video as whilst I didn't agree with your thoughts on the anime or players, game mechanic wise I did agree with most of what you said in that video. A lot of vanguard players have been asking for nation cards and bushi did give us Zeroth Dragons in G format which were Nation based strides. However I have now quit Vanguard (although I still love Leon's design Obviously :P). Overdress just reeks of desperation and poor planning. Having another hard reboot is just too off putting and despite them claiming this is the last time they'll reboot I highly doubt it. Power creep is rancid in Vanguard formats too, to the point it makes Yu-Gi-Ohs power creep look like a joke. Bermuda triangle is still its own thing which is just exhausting as is dealing with 90% of bermuda players. I think its a shame the bushi have a bad handling on their games, vanguard couldv'e been improved and I gave them the benefit of the doubt with V format but they proved they can't design cards well. Vanguard also now has 3 formats which is laughable as the 2 formats in V era caused a HUGE split in the player base with very few people actively playing both and each format player base hating on the other. Creating a V only format is just Bushi trying to hold on to the V Playerbase and whilst they are supporting that format, playability wise it'll probably go the way of the dodo.
@@dylansheaves4743 personally not a fan of the art though, from what I've seen the cards are basically just screenshots of scenes in hologra. would have been nice if they at least made unique card to promote the game.
I haven't played since gear chronicle first came out and I remember in order to play lord blaster you needed blaster blade and the dark paladin version in order to play him
Yeah, there was a specific exception to clan fight rules saying that a Royal Paladin deck is allowed to use up to four copies of Blaster Dark. When MLB was brought back in the reboot, they sidestepped the issue by making a new version of BD that is also a Royal.
Hey Kohdok, could you talk about The Spoils TCG? I remember seeing it advertised around 2013 and 2014 on the boxes of Dragon Shields but I never saw a store sell it.
@@jaygardner6639 yeah, I got back into Magic recently after about 6 years and saw that on the back of my old Dragon Shields boxes. Lasted for a few years too!
"Industry standard" in mean while Wizards of the Coast doesn't make starter decks and their theme decks (commander etc.) are 20-100$. Pokémon still has the same unplayable starter decks at the low price of 15$ and Yu-Gi-Oh's starter decks are also still at 12-15$
Yu-Gi-Oh starters should still be only $10. But Yu-Gi-Oh hasn't had a proper intro product in a couple of years. Instead of regular starters there have been Speed Duel starter decks, and the only main precons are the structure decks, which are more advanced.
@@nekoluxuria7721 yeah, but three decks together gives you a playset of everything, for less than the price of a single challenger deck, which often only give you a copy or two of the key expensive cards.
@@Stinkoman87 I mean if you want me to be pragmatic those 10 bucks are usually for a specific card unless the archetype the structure deck is based on is really good, like salamangreats.
Bushiroad seems quite confident in Overdress. They got Mori, an anime from CLAMP, and the aura they are giving off is way different than the announcement of the V series. I think the anime alone will boost the property due to the star power alone. I'm a big fan of clan identity, so I hope the nation change can preserve themes to at least feel like your deck has a consistent theme, and not just a hodge podge. I'm looking forward to seeing where it goes. The legacy market is also sustaining itself very well, as opposed to absolutely crashing when V series was announced.
Bushiroad destroys Buddyfight, the original creator left the project because Bushiroad permit the distribution of the overpowered card that he didn't allow it. After that, Bushiroad made Buddyfight similar to Yu-Gi-Oh where a multi complex combos that are not actually targeted for kids to enjoy the game
Those cards are very few in number and mostly just get used as generic staples in decks (and there's not many) like Honoly, Sebreeze or now Elementaria Sanctitude and some Regalis pieces in D format
Ngl, as nice the changes are for product longetivity. Bermuda not allowed to be splashable into the rest of the "blue nation" kinda sucks lmao. Joking aside, I guess old collections are pretty much unusable again for Standard. Hoping they gonna do some kind of reprints of old cards with changes to make it legal in the new format but I doubt it.
Between the referencie of this to this and this being that I am brought back to a time un wich me and a friend we're discussing the diferencia between the noble houses un Harry Potter, and that eventualy somehow culminated un the thought that atributes classes and clans are usually implements 1 or 2 features of diferente sorts in order for our usually distracted brains to justify or set up a conflict based on a subtle form of racism that takes one or two unchangable or intrinsic features of a chracter, piece, or card and villafies their prececense un the Game in perder to create a motivating factor for the player to want to overcome. And so the endind of that conversación was somewhat anwkward but ay the responses on this comment won't do that is a plus I suppose.
I don't think it's so insidious at that. But the lore of most card games is based around simulating combat, and so they need to have opposing sides in order to justify that. There is no reason why the judicial system and public works department should want to fight to the death, but on Ravnica that's what you get.
Wait you first said that “not much has changed” and they you say that have made drastic changes and they seem to be very desperate. Then you claim you’re not important to Bushiroad but somehow you met the CEO (as if he will have time for you).
@Nill Null second if he has met the the CEO, why hasn’t he shown the video of meeting or any sort of evidence? My speculation is that his interaction with him doesn’t put him in a good light or he wasn’t a big deal at all and he trying to bloat the situation. He wants to believe that he is public enemy no 1 for vanguard but in reality he is just a dumbass on the internet who has a massive ego.
Not much has changed in term of design : it is still unmixable attributes, there are only less of them, and there's still going to be clan-specific cards that do not interact much outside of their archetype, so the game is probably not going to avoid its pitfalls. The change is however drastic for the players in that it is a new format (with all the problems that come with that), and desperate as Bushiroad wouldn't do this unless they were losing players.
@@MrVovoda every tcg is currently losing their player base thanks to COVID and again you also are still saying they have changed a lot but not a lot at the same time. No one would consider that “desperate”, at best they have not considered all their options. In my opinion this change will help the game in the long run because they don’t need to balance 24 clans.
@Nill Null my point is why hasn’t he shown any proof, it is easy to say that Kidani goes in for some local shop events but that still doesn’t mean much for evidence and how exactly does this point help in the criticism he has faced?
A few points for record: as someone who has followed Vanguard and Bushiroad for years. Number 1: Bushiroad doing a variety of games especially licensed games is nothing new, they've had their hands in a number of different games for years, hell they don't shy away from mobile games, wrestling etc. it's by no means a new phenomena. Number 2: Luck and Logic was not really a spiritual successor or poised to replace vanguard it was just another card game, the reason it died (at least in the states didn't bother to follow the OCG...cause y'know other side of the world) was because basically as they were selling the FIRST set they announced Dragoborne would be replacing it. No one bought the second set because the game was already confirmed to longer be supported. In case your curious Dragoborne also didn't last as the fanbase that bought into L&L felt cheated and had very little faith in adition to the mechanics all being heavily luck based. I will state for the record I can't stand mixable attributes from a player perspective as they usually do far more harm than good to the state of the game as a whole. I'll concede the monetary point, which is a shame but hey modern economics not supporting enjoyable hobbies isn't exactly new either.
There's actually a really cute/cool reason why the starter decks are going to be so cheap. Each deck will cost 333 Yen and they will release it in 2 waves in Japan, 3 in the first, the other 2 later. So the 3 decks will be 333x3 which is 9 threes. 3 in Japanese is pronounced san and 9 is kyu
so together it is San Kyu or Thank you. It's a thank you from Bushiroad to their players for it's 10th anniversary
huh, nice
Oh wow
Literally as confusing as their game itself
It's technically 6, because they still want to sell Bermuda Triangle separately. Because Bushiroad just want to sell idols and that's it
don't forget that they're doing collab clans
MY SWORD BOYS ARE COMING BACK YEEEEEEEEEEEES!
They said they were planning on adding more clans to it later so thats nice
Bermuda has always and will always be sold like shows are sold in weiss shwartz. It doesn't make nearly as much money as you think. If it did they would get sets 4 times a year like paladins do.
@@gameguru42392 Do you....not remember how may solo sets they got?
@@koku6626 yeah. They get them once a year. Weiss sets are sold the same way. Its just one show in a box by itself. Bermuda was made to get weiss players into vanguard. Also explains why they go ham on the SPs because in weiss foil cards are way harder to come across.
These start decks get 4 copies of important cards with one copy being foil.
The real problem with Vanguard is their formats. Getting a 3rd format when they could hardly support 2 previously is going to be real hard to play since it divides the community on what formats people want to play.
(except front trigger #frontTriggerjustice) but yeah your right. Luckily though the new guy leading the vanguard IP seems to actually care about the fans, so maybe they will find a way to make 3 formats work.
edit: Sleep is an important thing so you don't make mistakes at 6 in the morning.
@@summermermaidstar756 Mori isn't a CEO, he's just the lead director for the Vanguard IP. He's known for making Shadowverse into mainstream.
@@Wslasher oh mb, XD I like just woke up so big mistake on my part.
they're gonna thanos snap those formats lol, no more support ever i'm assuming and hoping
The Overdress format is probably the best format to play in though. You're no longer hamstringed to a certain clan which means deck building becomes diverse and matches are no longer decided in the first redraw now that you specifically set aside one card of each grade
So it's a reboot within a reboot or of a reboot.
neither really, it's another reboot but this time without old characters coming back
Yes. Now with more internal reboots.
So what, it's legal to mix clans now? This should be interesting.
I would call it more of a relaunch this time. The game is resetting, but with no old characters, and with a fundamental change to how the game is played.
@@four-en-tee clans aren't mixable. But any support that comes out of Overdress will be able to be used in the clans for Premium format. So all Dragon Empire cards in Overdress can be used for Kagero, Narukami, Nubatama, Murakumo, and Tachikaze. Keter Sanctuary cards can be used in Royals, Shadows, Golds, Angel Feather, OTT, Genesis. And so on and so forth for thr rest of the nations.
The trial decks are all playsets with 4 perfect guards and a foil boss unit
mostly playsets* there is like 4 cards in holy dragon DSD01 that aren't at playsets but are at 3.
the supportive g3
a grade 1
front trigger (Sadly to make room for the over trigger one trigger had to)
and the order card in Holy Dragon (no confirmation we will get orders in all of them).
But yeah you are right.
@@summermermaidstar756 So the important cards are in playset and the support cards are at 3.
Pretty complete overall.
@@AcePlaysTCGs yup, unless you wanna run 4 fronts in which case you can just buy a single to finish that playset
@@summermermaidstar756 I'm curious to see which decks will want to do that. It'll be weird seeing cards that look like Force units benefiting from fronts, but I'm glad we're not going back to stands.
@@summermermaidstar756 Who plays fronts let's be real lol
Awesome review, loving how you keep it 100% legit like how you usually do.
Just wanna point that out, the start decks, Bushiroad actually mentioned to get a play set (4 copies) of every card and also get 1 foil of the main G3. So for $4 it's not bad at all.
Not every card, mostly playsets of every card as shown by holy dragon's decklist. But all the good stuff will be at playsets yeah.
So far on the product schedule there isn't any product only supporting 1 of the 6 nations, the Bermuda Triangle nation (Lyrical Monasterio) will probably get one but they don't get main booster support. Over the past 3 years Vanguard has moved away from entire decks of name based cards as well, we sometimes get a few cards that support one particular boss card though. Vanguard also has a new director in charge of it who previously worked for Wizards on MtG and apparently singlehandedly saved shadowverseCCG so the new changes are part of his we're told "10 year plan" for Vanguard.
Start deck contents seem to be about the same as previous more expensive trial decks with a few less foils (1 instead of 4 or 5), key cards appear to be at 4 copies, other cards that are usually less useful (we're not 100% sure yet though) are at 3 copies.
Yeah but with larger card pools, it’s inevitable we will get large archetypes similar to YGO. V managed to avoid it because clans were already essentially archetypes and Bushi knew how to design better by that point.
Not that I’m complaining. It’s important to implement it gradually like YGO did for greater success.
Boy, did this age like milk
Thank you so much for addressing this! There are still various hurdles that bushiroad must overcome (and may not be able to) but people interested in vanguard are excited and completely terrified.
Nope, still never gonna forgive Kohdok! I hope the Vanguard community blacklists him.
Rata: Meme Cards into existence
Kohdok: Meme entire card game mecanic reworks into existence
Reducing the number of clans is something players have been thinking of for some time now and they should've done it in 2018 with the V reboot. Hope it sends the game in the right direction.
thank to that GB and AqF lost it uniqueness to the furry
@@huyvuminh1048 Oh please. Granblue is already confirmed to be getting a theme in the 1st set. I'm sure every clan's aesthetic and playstyle will be released given time.
@@HunterSerge Sure I don't care regardless the game is now beyond recognition both game play wise and aesthetic wise, you can do what you want I won't any other Bushi game again.
@@huyvuminh1048 It really isn't. I'm skeptical myself because Bushi still needs to prove they'll do better card design, but the Ride Deck and Nation-based Deckbuilding are strictly positive changes, that maintain everything fundamental to the game, while getting rid of its worst elements.
@Nill Null I don't like overdress or the V do you got the problem with that ? the more or less you guys say anything doesn't change the fact that I'm quitting
The trial decks have playsets of all the important cards and there is a foil card in there. Not to mention the important cards are getting special reprints in a booster soon after suggesting that they're important.
Can someone give me a rundown on why he hates this company so much and what that old video was about? I havent been a sub for that long
The company is just kinda bad at making games and has canceled a lot and his old video no longer is public cause after he criticized vanguard in the OG series he got attacked super hard from the community
@Nill Null yeah def
if you want a really fast tldr basically he decided to criticize the game but failed completely by attacking the game for the wrong reason. he also blew a fit on a kid too due to anime related reasons as well which made his standpoint much worse.
here's the long explanation:
Basically he criticized the game but the bulk of it was due to the anime. If he criticized how the marketing was done because let's be honest as much of a fanboy I am for cfvg I will absolutely agree that bushiroad is garbage at marketing (vanguard zero sucks too but not going there) or the gameplay loop itself as it is heavily luck based at many times (shivers in quadruple heal triggers on first draw and mulligan) it would have been completely fine if he criticized the game's element itself or had at least read up on the rules of the game (something most other commenters have noted that a quick google search is enough for) but he decided to unfairly criticize the game via the anime and it eventually went to the stupidity of criticizing the story for being a slice of life story or having very low stakes throught its first seasons which was what set cardfight vanguard apart from the other anime for me but hey everyone's tastes are different so who am I to judge (that and I feel like stories where they have super high stakes are the worst when it comes to animes based on games because the victories become predictable, something that made Arc-V and shows later really bad, it was also something 5D's was criticized for) and then decided to rag on it for the "is that card from the pack that just came out?" line and decided to twist it into indoctrination, he also blew over a massive fit over a kid saying that line though apparently he lost and the kid won so the proper context isn't even there because he lost even though he got the new card so the kid probably asked a genuine question and then he twists it into "them animus are indoctrinating kids" when the kid has a very visible sad face and I mean kids are very impressionable and he was likely standing and was towering over the kid when he had his fit at him which is also another explanation for the kid's expression.
@Nill Null I define a fit as negative over reaction so I will take that. though the presumption of towering over the kid is what likely happened because he's taller than the kid as he is an adult and the kid was not older than 12 by his own admittance, and he straight out talked down on the kid for no legitimate reason.
I say that because he left a bit of context as the pack just came out and the kid had just won completely and then talked about the card (he won 0 sets after all) that and the context doesn't match the quote and the kid would have seen the card mid game and would have likely said the quote mid game if that was his aim but he did it post game. that and his claim of "vanguard completely ruined card games for me" is either him over reacting or he did say more than "did you just quote the dumbest line in the show"
@@beecherry3943 thats not the reason at all lol. He criticized the game for the wrong reasons. Bushi has had vanguard and weiss alive for so long. And you can say all companies do a bad job at their game. WOTC, bad balancing, bad premium product, bad card stock. Yugioh, low interactive gameplay and bad balancing which requires banlists every month. Pokemon, non-existant competitive scene and all skyrocketing collectors market.
Rebirth for you is a remake of an older Bushiroad game called Victory Spark and Chaos died a few years ago after about a 10 year run? The starter decks for Vanguard have 3-4 copies of every card, the only real concession seems to be that only 1 card in the deck will be foil, but they're gonna release a set that has 10 new cards (you only need to buy 4 boxes to get a playset of all the new cards) and foil reprints of all the starter deck cards, so I imagine the starter deck cards are actually going to be good.
Oh....This
so i am a massive vanguard stan so i am just gonna try clear a couple things up while being as impartial as possible. 1. a lot off the changes are probably due to the new producer keita mori, the man who saved esports in japan and has worked on shadow verse credited as saving them from the worst meta off all time and also worked for wizards off the coast on magic the gathering. 2. the trial decks are coming with 4 offs and 1 foil card so yes if you want to max it you might off had to buy 4 but also at the same time we are getting a set with sp versions off the trial deck cards for the true whales (as well as new cards obv). trial decks are also retaining original packaging to show off the boss unit. its also the first time the cheap price has been brought over to the west as far as i am aware so that good :). 3. you are correct on the subclans we have already seen dark states start deck looks very much like the spike brothers clan, one off them looks like great nature, and the first set also looks to contain link joker and granblue style cards.
Personally i am excited the change should for a lot more creativity and mori has been super engaged with the community on twitter especially the west which makes me very happy cause it felt like western fans would be ignored sometimes. i will still have my favorite clans (in particular in the eternal format premium) but also a little apprehensive cause i like palemoon in dark states but not really the other 3 so will be interested to see just how integrated the decks become.
The $4 MSRP start decks will contain 1 RRR and play sets of every staple and key cards. Plus a playset of perfect guards. By lowering the decks to 6 nations, the game also brings back archetype mixing. Plus this change is a direction made from a brand new director. The company even apologized for how the V series turned out.
I do like how now if I wanted to I can mix aspects of different clans together because they are the same nation on the aesthetic level cuz they are the same nation.
Like lets say Im playing stoicheia and focusing on the animal stuff (which already looks like a fusion of neo nectar and great nature) but if a good looking "granblue" looking unit (cuz technically it's not granblue but it's aesthetically and skill wise gonna be like one) came along I may want to tech it.
And of course Keter Sanctuary having all the knight clans is gonna blend together themeatically perfectly
You should have a podcast, I think this video would translate to that format very well.
"Today we're gonna talk about THIS because of THIS and THAT."
Don't know if I'm gonna get into Vanguard with this, but if my LGS gets product I'll get some.
Also really hoping I can get the vaccine soon so I can spend more than just 5 minutes at my LGS at a time.
Yes! A duel masters episode please! I miss duel masters
It did have a rockin' theme song.
Meanwhile Dragon Empire is setting there like "Yo, what changed? Everyone knows we would get mixed together all the time anyway..."
The Start decks will actually have 1 foil cover card, as well as a playset of most of the cards (with only a 2~4 exceptions where you get 3 of a card) with the same box as the original $18 trial decks when the game first came out, and apparently the same card stock quality. The booster boxes however will remain the same price, and they change the card rarities to reduce the cost for players to build decks while also giving collectors / vendors ways to make a profit and collect higher rarity versions of lower rarity cards. Ontop of removing the clan system, we will also have a ride deck to reduce the chance of miss riding. Overall a lot of great changes.
I’ll buy playmats just to collect them. The game is dead in my region & you pointed out a lot of good reasons why.
Also it was stated by Bushi that these new start decks will contain 4 of the main important units (aka the boss unit) and there will be a foil card in each deck
Clan mixing didn't get broken until Legion Mate. And it got broken there because they all of a sudden stopped printing any clan restrictions.
It is completely desperation, the 1st reboot was overall a flop and sales have been dropping basically its whole run, but that's more the result of power creep and boring card design, instead of clan bloat, so this might not fix that at all.
Oh, lastly, there's been zero sign of monthly releases right now. Current schedule is looking like 1 Standard product, then next month is V/Premium product, and then back to Standard the next month.
@@nmr7203 You might notice not once do I shit on Kohdok in this comment. Just adding some context or additional information.
Not like there's anything on this video to shit on anyways, aside from saying vg players disagreed with his previous statements on clan bloat when long time vg players have been complaining about clan bloat for years. (the solution is even exactly one i and others had been suggesting) But i can certainly believe casual vg players disagreed on clan bloat, so fair enough.
As someone who regularly plays Vanguard (I even went to regionals in the before times), I appreciated your critique of the game itself and showed me how someone could dislike it beyond “it’s a game for weebs” (especially as I don’t even like it for weeb reasons and not a fan of Bermuda myself). I feel it’s important for someone to know the flaws in something they like so as to not be so militant in defending it. It’s just a game, after all.
I do feel this is a step in the right direction but so many are out for blood because this is yet another hard rotation where the main format doesn’t let us use cards we already have. This sort of thing was inevitable though. I think after this, people will likely quit if they do a third one. I literally can’t even think of a way for them to justify another hard rotation beyond money.
PS: they’re still sticking to a Weiss Schwarz-like license type thing in Vanguard by essentially making additional non-canon nations of other properties with their own boosters because of course they are. It’s kind of weird how they keep doing that with their games, honestly.
yeah that is one of the main reason I quit BF and Vanguard too. My favorite clan AqF, and Tachikaze always get little to no love and the licensing stuff is just feel so out of place
Hey im wanting to join vanguard my first clan is gonna be tachikaze cux dino with guns are epic
@@crabshit589 go for it man. The clan has always been on the cheap side and it’s just that it isn’t popular, not that it isn’t good. I honestly consider it the best of the “unpopular clans” as it has always occasionally topped events for quite a number of years. V cards should also drop in price soon as people gradually abandon V in favor of D (or quitting entirely).
@@MrZer093 i just need to buy but i have to ask my mother lmao
@@MrZer093 im waiting till i get money to buy it
Kohdok = evil mastermind controlling all card games behind the scenes
On the set list for the vanguard overdress start decks
Most of the good stuff that you want (the boss for example) is gonna be at playsets, with a few 3 ofs thrown in and even a full playset of over trigger which you only need 1 of because the "Over Trigger" is a hard 1 per deck.
And 1 foiled out version of the boss unit of the start deck.
It's actually all 4 ofs except the overtrigger
@@nirnayjaiswal2919 wrong, mathematically that doesn't work.
Based off holy dragon's list
cardfight.fandom.com/wiki/D_Start_Deck_01:_Yu-yu_Kondo_-Holy_Dragon-
they put a 3 of for a supporting grade 3, for the front trigger (to make room for over trigger), a supporting grade 1, and the order card.
So 4 cards at 3 ofs, it's MOSTLY playsets. But good chance the ones at 3 ofs are not gonna be in ran once the first booster of the new standard is out.
@@summermermaidstar756 what I remember from the vanguard insider video there are supposed to be 4 of every card to get to total of 44 not counting the 3 front trigger , the 1 over trigger and 2 order cards making the total to 50 making it mathematically correct to and yeah, most likely the supporting grade 3 is going to be in the deck till the next set drops after it getting of the deck.
@@nirnayjaiswal2919 yeah so it's more safe to say playsets of everything (btw there is 3 copies of the order card).
Although if the ratio for triggers is the same in all (probably is) I may need to pick up another front trigger cuz Im going for stoicheia and they seem to favor fronts based on them being multi attack based
@@summermermaidstar756 personally I too would most likely decrease the number of grade 1s now that the ride deck exists to make room for the extra front trigger
Desperate more like too little too late. Many stores won't be continuing Weiss and Vanguard past V. The biggest Weiss vendor just went out of business. I look at distributor sites and none of these start decks have sold out. They will very likely just going to be sitting on shelves like Weiss Trial decks. You still likely need half a case anyways for a playset. The real issue with Bushiroad are the solo print runs. A card will get one printing and that is it. It rarely shows up again, but if it does it isn't at a lower rarity. This causes Weiss and Vanguard prices to go out of control.
Finally, a comment I can get behind. :) I hate when people put Bushi on a high pedestal & refuse to see all the issues with Vanguard atm.
Used to be my favorite game, evenmoreso than yugioh at one point. But now it is just not the same.
@@nonoaheart5594 Their games are just way too expensive to keep up with, even on a rogue level. VR's, RR's, RRR's just never get printed into a rarity easier to pull. Rather than go back, they just seem to keep on shoving new cards out, then rebooting and starting over. This means you are paying hundreds of dollars on your releases just to be there. I still buy their cards because I like how the Weiss cards have Japanese on them, and I like reading them
There are $4 starter decks now? I'm still paying feel like $20+ per starter deck for any card game and that's before tax ;_;
fun fact about the starter decks since you mentioned them. they are 333 yen and are split 3-2 since 3 in kanji is san and 9 is kyuu since the number 3 would appear 9 times it's said as san kyuu which sounds like thank you, they likely did that 3-2 starter deck split because it's Vanguard's 10th aniversary so they want to say thank you to the playerbase
I expected this info to be up-to-date but I guess this isn't a Vanguard channel and he has active problems with Bushiroad.
We take what we can get.
The Starter deck consist of 4 Ace Card and there is a Foil...it was the same quality as Trial Deck.
One hour loop of Kohdok saying "this" in different ways pleases
Edit: you got autocorrected to Kodak lol
I’ll NEVER forgive Kohdok for not treating Vanguard with respect by calling it by name.
Legit when I started the 7 Deadly Sins of TCGs, I thought that Vanguard got renamed and not that it was a joke about it.
Ah, wow, I just found out reading your comment haha
Wait if they're changing each unique 'attribute' into a grouping of attributes, I will 120% pick up this game again and play it, I'm only 30 seconds in but that is HUGE
The start decks are also like 1/5 of the price of v era and g era trial decks I think so you can just drop a $20 and have all the trial decks and spread them amongs a small group of friends
Ironically the Voldemort joke became unnameable like Voldemort
Im suprised that it wasnt made it this way with archetypes and colors instead of clans
I was scared for this cause of how hard he got slammed for his old video
In case it's not a coincidence tell bushiroad to bring back Buddyfight
You addressing the "Card Fight Voldemort" joke was a very tiny part of this video but it made me feel seen. Thank you for that.
Are you also trans?
I'll be honest, I kind of don't like the softer clan boundries - one of my favourite things about vanguard was, well, each deck getting a distinct playstyle, rather than mush every good card together into a more consistent and powerful but genericly grey and uninteresting deck, and merging them together just... works against that; like sure, there will probably be dragon empire cards that echo narukami and kagerou, but kagerou always worked better, so the pressure will be to use the kagerou-equivelants, even if you mght still want the 1-2 narukami boss cards
I'll admit that part of my feelings come from being in an area where vanguard is big nd in easy demand, and the fact me only being interested in a small number of clans meant I only needed to buy vanguared every few months to still be in a playable state for casual play - not meta play since powercreep is a feature, but enough to play casually and still have a chance - meant I could keep up with it without massive investment and have it there as a side game. changing it up so the meta for each clan changes every booster means it's no longer a game I can just duck out of buying for a while, but one that you do need to pay attention to for every set
that and bushi also has a bad habit of making each support for a deck (in all their games, not just vanguard) more 'replace your entire deck with these new ones. they're the same card but better' over 'these are new options for that deck and sure they have a higher power cieling but your old cards still work' and the cynical side of me is just reading this as "mwahahaha now *everyone* has to replace their entire deck each booster, not keep their deck for the year and a half and then change it. we're geniuses"
Yup, someone tried to argue me that "It wouldnt make sense if my deck that is 2-3 years old is still able to compete."
if the decks & every card in it becomes obsolete that fast, that is an issue in itself.
The video is quite interesting to say the least.
But I think that while there is going to be a foil card, quality may suffer as @Kodhok says. The main reason is that similar to the foiling on the Majesty Lord Blaster deck and the Clan Selection in English, the foiling may have a coating to give that glossy almost fake feel to the cards as opposed to the classic matted finish.
As funny as it sounds, glossy coatings are an easy way to make cards shinier without having much added cost when compared to a standard foil. But when done poorly, these glossy coatings leave a terrible impression on the raw card(s) themselves as I tend to single sleeve frequently, relatively speaking. The texture of the new shiny cards from Clan Selection feel fake to me, even if the product is genuine.
There was always a familiar card texture associated with a certain rarity until it changes. The foil pattern came and went, but the texture was always consistent until recently. I will always dislike LR cards for that exact reason. Not only did texture feel abrasive, but the familiar foiled cards felt so brazenly foreign to me. That also affected how I received cards with too much gold in the background as this was the first rarity change that happened.
To this day, I still don't like cards with gold borders for messing with my mind on card texture and the perceived level of being genuine, even though logically the cards are. It also explains why I do not mind SP and VR cards, but dislike SVR, SCR, and other rarities with a gold border surrounding the entire card, oddly enough. But for sure, quality is an issue that I feel like you have nailed on point.
The only other time I've experienced something in a similar manner with a major shift in card texture was when Yu-Gi-Oh had Duel Terminal cards back in the 2010's with that shiny pattern. There may have been cards such as Royal Decree with a similar texture, but the experience wasn't there for me until the early 2010's which is why I think that card texture can be addressed.
As a player of Vanguard, I will say that your criticisms have their merits, but your execution doesn't come off as polished at times because of a certain video that I have also seen ages ago. This time though, your criticism has really delivered on one aspect of game design for sure, but as polished as that segment was, you clearly could have taken a few more minutes to read and sift through the community for more information. Other than that oversight, you do carry out great content.
They New starter decks actually contain 4 ofs of the majority of the cards (safe for the new trigger type, and new order card introduced for each nation). I do not not recall whether or not Bushiroad is doing their usually foil method of giving out 3-4, one for the main grade 3 and then one for each descending grade but the card quality is said to be the same. The information is still being given out in bits of pieces but there's more to look forward to.
i only want a digital version of this game to come out
The card fight vanguard tcg has some cool art
The reason I don't like this is because Bushiroad has just abandoned the current format without fixing any of that format's problems and resetting the card pool yet again.
Yup, Bushi is really not learning anything from V despite having 3 years on it.
Holy heck! I almost didn't watch this video because it has "overdress" in the video and you were overdressed in the thumbnail, so I had thought you've made just a poor sketch video! But instead you've actually made a full Vanguard video! That's great, thank you so much!
its amazing to me how hard cancelled harry potter has gotten. its gone from a widely beloved franchise to practically birth of a nation status in just a few years (worst part is, it kinda deserves it)
My thoughts are this: "All Paladins" is going to be fucking disgusting.
Memes aside, I think that while this is ultimately going to be a good thing for Vanguard, I don't think it's going to solve their problems overnight. There's a LOT of cards in Vanguard that explicitly mention other cards or clan-specific archetypes and abilities (one that comes to mind are Revengers in Shadow Paladin), so you're still going to see a lot of people prioritizing single-clan decks in order to play to the strength of a certain archetype (since that's just generally how Vanguard works). Although, maybe I'm just being incredibly closed-minded about this new development: people were already mixing cards from the original run and from v-series to begin with in their premium format or whatever tf it's called, so I'm sure there's a lot of busted combinations that are going to be possible now because of this as well. Who knows, maybe theres a pair of clan specific archetypes (lets just say Ezels and Battle Sisters for the sake of discussion) that might synergize really well with one another, plus we'd be able to see multiple types of imaginary gifts in a single deck. Hell, i don't think I'm ready for Link Joker, Nova Grappler and Dimension Police to start intermingling. Just the thought of giving those decks more locking capabilities is terrifying to me.
Oh god, if only Genesis and Dark Irregulars could mix. That shit would be disgusting.
I still think Vanguard's biggest problem though is going to be it's card prices. Like Yugioh, Vanguard is really fucking expensive to even build decent decks for. Although, who knows: maybe this new development in the rules of the game will result in prices lowering for some reason or another.
Also, there is a quote unquote "clan" that can be included in any deck period. They're called Cray Elementals, and I have one in my Kagero Rebirth deck.
Um several things wrong
first of all, nations going forward won't be using the older cards so any existing subarchetypes dont exist in the new standard. And ya can't mix in premium or v premium.
There are no more imaginary gift units also in the new series.
well now I want to know why you dislike Bushi Road so much lol. I only really know them as the people who own New Japan Pro Wrestling.
My day just got a lot better knowing a Kohdok video just dropped
have you seen the newer Diva A Live wixoss decks 3 lrigs instead of 1
I've always wanted to get into Vanguard, but the sheer number of clans and the fact that my flgs didn't carry it made the barrier to entry way too high. If they start to stock it, I'll probably pick it up
Says he will no longer make Harry Potter jokes then immediately makes one hahaha
A vanguard down by the river!
$4 decks are not industry standards for the west. The ones you are talking about are Japanese versions. Even the english version of the digimon starter decks are $10-20
Playmats dont usually go higher than 5$ and idk when that story you got that playmat was but Battle Sister Fromage playmat is actually from 2013.
Kohdok is a Hololive fan? I knew I subscribed for a reason. ^_^
I thought Vanguard died. My Warhammer/MTG store hasn’t had product of theirs for years.
Vanguard is interesting in the sense that normally the community is concentrated in a small number of stores that are mostly Vanguard focused, at least that’s how it works in my city there is this store in this mall that has the whole Vanguard community.
Nope we are in the top 5 games shockingly
Can confirm that’s how it works. Just a smattering of stores here and there with the product. Honestly, any TCG that isn’t “the big three” will be like that. When a big TCG comes out, many LGS will stock their product until the ones where it didn’t take off stop buying it and it settles into various local communities. That’s pretty much the only way for any of them to survive these days after the market dominance of “the big three” came about in the early 00’s.
they fooled me once with the first reboot, and told us things would be different
they arent fooling me with the second reboot
@Nill Null I mean that the first reboot they promised the game would be better run, powercreep would be under control, etc
they can rave about the cygames guy all they want, but literally no one I know plays shadowverse or cares for it. they didn’t “save” shadowverse imo - just kept it from completely imploding.
imagine your favorite celebrity messes up very bad and promises you they’ll reform. two years later, and the “reform” never happened. why on earth should I give vanguard and bushiroad ANOTHER chance?
do you have any idea how burned my friends and I feel? we invested a ton of money into the first reboot, and now none of those cards will be legal for what is presumably their newest and likely best supported format of the game.
screw that
The old R&D team got fired apparently. Their card design sucked so much that I legit thought V was the worst card game on the market.
However this reboot is really promising, I'll give it a try.
If you don't want to lose your V cards you can always play Premium, it's much more fun and interactive than the old standard could have ever been. And, since Bushi released some really dumb cards for V during last year, you don't really need to spend much at all to get into Premium with your V deck
@@DXYS95 thank god they got fired
I agree that the reboot is interesting, and I’ll give them credit that they’re taking steps (and in my opinion, the “right” ones) to fix up their game.
But look at their awful track record; how many of their games have bombed within 2 years? Reboot-guard, Luck and Logic, and there was that god awful mtg ripoff they did a while back (Dragoborne). Each of these I tried, and all of these have failed.
Their track record is far from stellar. I doubt that the “Shadowverse guy” can fix an entire company bent on destroying its own products. It’s sad that the other few products they have are literally just promotional material for other franchises (ie Weiss Schwarz)
I honestly wouldnt give Bushi another chance either. "You can always play your V cards in premium" people say then they forget how pretty much everything break ride & before are completely obsolete in current premium format.
So many years I've played Vanguard... I truly feel it was a waste of money. The only time a TCG made me feel like that. Even Yugioh didn't make me feel like that.
Why, because of the new reboot?
I learned about Vanguard because of their booth at gen con a few years back. If it wasnt for you I dont think I'd ever have seen them again
OverDress, it's either a game about wearing fancy clothes when you shouldn't or putting too much ranch on your salad.
This makes sense considering the protagonist of the Vanguard OverDress anime
Its a game about crossdressing
It can't be the latter, because there is no such thing as too much ranch. Honestly you'd probably be better off taking the vegetables out of your bowl to make room for more ranch.
About the big licensees TCG, you correct. It call Chaos TCG. My opinion of that one is the complexed one in Bushiroad card game so far. Sadly it ends their line sometimes ago and move on the licensees to other TCG like WS. (but it last longer more than 2 years for sure)
All I can think of when I see "Buddyfight" is buddy bars. Those were delicious.
Well finally maybe this game will become worth for gamestores etc
Still waiting for chaotic to come back
Well, unless they start to make generic support in each nation, its not going to change anything.
Archetype generally beat attribute, expect in some special cases, so they need to print some really strong card to break this
There will be some generic support just as a matter of course. Triggers and perfect guards are universal, for one. And if a card let's you draw or counter charge without too many hoops that will be a staple. And within nations, there might be some cards meant for one deck that helps out another, like a pale moon card that can call from the soul being used by a dark irregular deck, or a dimension police type deck using a card meant for nova grapplers to rest and a rearguard.
after rata has meme cards into existense, dont take your voice little
We still dont have ojama lime
@@legendredux1291 maybe they don't want him having and aneurisma
@@legendredux1291 they're waiting til they ban halqifibrax, that way they can make ojama lime a tuner without having to immediately emergency ban him on release
*stares at my dragonboren and dream about buddyfight*oh bushiro why you make it hard for new card games live.
I think it's because they were cannibalizing themselves.... when DragoBorne was coming they had like 3-4 card games with Luck and Logic also looming in the distance. while other companies... well they really only had 1 card game to look after. Cutting there game down to 3 (1 being JP only if my memory serves me right) was the move. honestly loved buddyfight mechanically until they added Lost World aka an extra deck that wasn't necessary to me. RIP BuddyFight... that being said only makes sense that vanguard and Weiss were the last ones standing here considering they are the 2 "oldest" games they have and well the 2 that have had the "most success," Vanguard have a weird Nostalgia factor and Weiss being the anime/cartoon super license card game
Bushi is being too greedy xD
I'm actually super excited for overDress
great work, grettings from Mexico :D
yes,
THIS
what video were he talking about when he said about weiss schwarz hololive rebirth for you
Honestly, I'm so happy with overdress. I dont care too much for bushiroad other than playing bandori and vanguard, and im excited for the types of decks we can make now with the bigger nations
Sooo do you think what they did would be a good thing for the company or would it go down, I play vanguard and I honestly think they did the right thing
I missed the original bushiroad video, why does he hate them so much?
What Rata is to Yugioh, Kohdok will be to Vanguard.
Nah, they are totally different
As someone who saw the now taken down video, I have to say I'm glad you've calmed down in this video as whilst I didn't agree with your thoughts on the anime or players, game mechanic wise I did agree with most of what you said in that video. A lot of vanguard players have been asking for nation cards and bushi did give us Zeroth Dragons in G format which were Nation based strides.
However I have now quit Vanguard (although I still love Leon's design Obviously :P). Overdress just reeks of desperation and poor planning. Having another hard reboot is just too off putting and despite them claiming this is the last time they'll reboot I highly doubt it. Power creep is rancid in Vanguard formats too, to the point it makes Yu-Gi-Ohs power creep look like a joke.
Bermuda triangle is still its own thing which is just exhausting as is dealing with 90% of bermuda players.
I think its a shame the bushi have a bad handling on their games, vanguard couldv'e been improved and I gave them the benefit of the doubt with V format but they proved they can't design cards well.
Vanguard also now has 3 formats which is laughable as the 2 formats in V era caused a HUGE split in the player base with very few people actively playing both and each format player base hating on the other. Creating a V only format is just Bushi trying to hold on to the V Playerbase and whilst they are supporting that format, playability wise it'll probably go the way of the dodo.
Overdress is a poor attempt to catch more players in as it really only caters to people who are already into Vanguard.
I miss the old glory days :/
Ok not that I'm entirely surprised but, there's a Holo live card game? Or there's a Holo live set for a card gane
@Nill Null well now that sounds like fun XD
@@dylansheaves4743 personally not a fan of the art though, from what I've seen the cards are basically just screenshots of scenes in hologra. would have been nice if they at least made unique card to promote the game.
I haven't played since gear chronicle first came out and I remember in order to play lord blaster you needed blaster blade and the dark paladin version in order to play him
Yeah, there was a specific exception to clan fight rules saying that a Royal Paladin deck is allowed to use up to four copies of Blaster Dark. When MLB was brought back in the reboot, they sidestepped the issue by making a new version of BD that is also a Royal.
So Kohdok, have you heard that WIXOSS is coming to America? If you have, will you review it? And, do you think it would do great here?
Hey Kohdok, could you talk about The Spoils TCG? I remember seeing it advertised around 2013 and 2014 on the boxes of Dragon Shields but I never saw a store sell it.
wait that was supposed to be a game?
@@jaygardner6639 yeah, I got back into Magic recently after about 6 years and saw that on the back of my old Dragon Shields boxes. Lasted for a few years too!
"Industry standard" in mean while Wizards of the Coast doesn't make starter decks and their theme decks (commander etc.) are 20-100$. Pokémon still has the same unplayable starter decks at the low price of 15$ and Yu-Gi-Oh's starter decks are also still at 12-15$
Yu-Gi-Oh starters should still be only $10. But Yu-Gi-Oh hasn't had a proper intro product in a couple of years. Instead of regular starters there have been Speed Duel starter decks, and the only main precons are the structure decks, which are more advanced.
@@Stinkoman87 though to be honest they might as well be 20-30 considering you need at least 2 to make their structure deck work properly.
@@nekoluxuria7721 yeah, but three decks together gives you a playset of everything, for less than the price of a single challenger deck, which often only give you a copy or two of the key expensive cards.
@@Stinkoman87 I mean if you want me to be pragmatic those 10 bucks are usually for a specific card unless the archetype the structure deck is based on is really good, like salamangreats.
Bushiroad seems quite confident in Overdress. They got Mori, an anime from CLAMP, and the aura they are giving off is way different than the announcement of the V series. I think the anime alone will boost the property due to the star power alone.
I'm a big fan of clan identity, so I hope the nation change can preserve themes to at least feel like your deck has a consistent theme, and not just a hodge podge.
I'm looking forward to seeing where it goes. The legacy market is also sustaining itself very well, as opposed to absolutely crashing when V series was announced.
what happened with bushiroad? why does he hate them I must know!
Love the title pun
Their new CEO or the old one?
CEO is the same, Vanguard got a new director
@@sonicjms kidani is not the ceo anymore. He hasn’t been for awhile. He’s now the chairman.
Bushiroad destroys Buddyfight, the original creator left the project because Bushiroad permit the distribution of the overpowered card that he didn't allow it. After that, Bushiroad made Buddyfight similar to Yu-Gi-Oh where a multi complex combos that are not actually targeted for kids to enjoy the game
They had cray elemental cards and Zeroth dragons which clans do share so they aren't strictly unmixable
Those cards are very few in number and mostly just get used as generic staples in decks (and there's not many) like Honoly, Sebreeze or now Elementaria Sanctitude and some Regalis pieces in D format
with this overdress thing i think they'll relaunch the game to the best, i'm near to take my credit card
Aki-Lucky!!!!!
Yeah their losing players
What makes ya say that?
OverAddressing the OverDress with the Dress :^)
Love the video and your shirt!
Ngl, as nice the changes are for product longetivity. Bermuda not allowed to be splashable into the rest of the "blue nation" kinda sucks lmao.
Joking aside, I guess old collections are pretty much unusable again for Standard. Hoping they gonna do some kind of reprints of old cards with changes to make it legal in the new format but I doubt it.
V premium is going to be introduced as a stopgap format. All the cards in current standard are legal there.
Between the referencie of this to this and this being that I am brought back to a time un wich me and a friend we're discussing the diferencia between the noble houses un Harry Potter, and that eventualy somehow culminated un the thought that atributes classes and clans are usually implements 1 or 2 features of diferente sorts in order for our usually distracted brains to justify or set up a conflict based on a subtle form of racism that takes one or two unchangable or intrinsic features of a chracter, piece, or card and villafies their prececense un the Game in perder to create a motivating factor for the player to want to overcome. And so the endind of that conversación was somewhat anwkward but ay the responses on this comment won't do that is a plus I suppose.
I don't think it's so insidious at that. But the lore of most card games is based around simulating combat, and so they need to have opposing sides in order to justify that. There is no reason why the judicial system and public works department should want to fight to the death, but on Ravnica that's what you get.
@@Stinkoman87 Touche
Wait you first said that “not much has changed” and they you say that have made drastic changes and they seem to be very desperate. Then you claim you’re not important to Bushiroad but somehow you met the CEO (as if he will have time for you).
@Nill Null great evidence
@Nill Null second if he has met the the CEO, why hasn’t he shown the video of meeting or any sort of evidence? My speculation is that his interaction with him doesn’t put him in a good light or he wasn’t a big deal at all and he trying to bloat the situation. He wants to believe that he is public enemy no 1 for vanguard but in reality he is just a dumbass on the internet who has a massive ego.
Not much has changed in term of design : it is still unmixable attributes, there are only less of them, and there's still going to be clan-specific cards that do not interact much outside of their archetype, so the game is probably not going to avoid its pitfalls. The change is however drastic for the players in that it is a new format (with all the problems that come with that), and desperate as Bushiroad wouldn't do this unless they were losing players.
@@MrVovoda every tcg is currently losing their player base thanks to COVID and again you also are still saying they have changed a lot but not a lot at the same time. No one would consider that “desperate”, at best they have not considered all their options. In my opinion this change will help the game in the long run because they don’t need to balance 24 clans.
@Nill Null my point is why hasn’t he shown any proof, it is easy to say that Kidani goes in for some local shop events but that still doesn’t mean much for evidence and how exactly does this point help in the criticism he has faced?
0:40 what franchise is he talking about
Harry Potter.
A few points for record: as someone who has followed Vanguard and Bushiroad for years.
Number 1: Bushiroad doing a variety of games especially licensed games is nothing new, they've had their hands in a number of different games for years, hell they don't shy away from mobile games, wrestling etc. it's by no means a new phenomena.
Number 2: Luck and Logic was not really a spiritual successor or poised to replace vanguard it was just another card game, the reason it died (at least in the states didn't bother to follow the OCG...cause y'know other side of the world) was because basically as they were selling the FIRST set they announced Dragoborne would be replacing it. No one bought the second set because the game was already confirmed to longer be supported. In case your curious Dragoborne also didn't last as the fanbase that bought into L&L felt cheated and had very little faith in adition to the mechanics all being heavily luck based.
I will state for the record I can't stand mixable attributes from a player perspective as they usually do far more harm than good to the state of the game as a whole. I'll concede the monetary point, which is a shame but hey modern economics not supporting enjoyable hobbies isn't exactly new either.