The Government doesn’t have responsibility for people’s stupidity. It’s on the shoulders of whatever company hired the guide that encouraged them to go on by phone.
Terrifying stories. I do feel that with the cave story in Tenerife there is a degree of responsibility on those who entered willingly, considering they were all adults. However, very strange that a guide would simply tell them which way to go and fail to warn of the dangers. I mean, anyone not respecting a 1 mile hole in the ground is open to its wrath. Great content - never heard these ones before :)
fully agree with the Tenerife part though, the guide who did an over-the-phone guide should have been held responsible to a degree, I do not really see it being any part of the provincial governments fault, it is not like this is an attraction theme park they had created, nor did they popularize it... the tourists have reasonable freedom to risk their lives, which is something they did fairly flagrantly here... in the end, the end they met is upon their heads...
The guide should never have given them the slightest notion that they could handle it alone... At the same time, ANYONE who's ever even talked about going to explore a volcanic cave system is warned to bring stuff like gas meters and emergency air bottles... There ARE "egress" bottles that work relatively like miniature scuba tanks, slightly hybridized with an aerosol can. They can be carried by caribiner on a belt and have up to 45 minutes of "supplemental air", meaning you CAN use it where the air is toxic and shut it off where it's clear enough to breathe to get out... I was even trained to use them by the U.S. Navy in the 90's, so I KNOW for a fact, they were around a lot earlier than that... You NEVER go caving alone, nor without someone who knows about the cave's locale, and "usual hazards"... AND YOU ALWAYS HAVE A PHYSICAL MAP! That also means you better know how to read such a map... This is beyond the usual "minimums" people preach about like the three (3) KNOWN GOOD light sources, appropriate clothing and pads (knee and elbow) and hard hat or similar head protection. You WILL bang your head in a cave... not an "if" but a "when"... AND of course, GOOD footwear for hiking and climbing and scrambling over crap... You're GOING to get wet, GOING to be muddy and mucky (yes, there's a difference and no, you probably don't want to know)... ALL of this along with whatever gear or kit or equipment you have in mind for whatever reason you're exploring or sight seeing in the first place (like cameras, ropes, climbing gear, measuring equipment, sample bottles or jars, testing kits, and record keeping material or whatever)... Not to overtly "victim blame" here, but for the operative lesson, "DO NOT EVER let your caving adventure guide just phone it in." The son of a bitch signed on to lead your expedition, so make him lead it or give back your money and CALL IT OFF. Look, I've BEEN places with less foot traffic than the back side of the moon. I've put my name in the credits of maps that are CURRENTLY used by rescuers to find the odd lost splonker or idjit teenager looking for a misadventure and a quiet spot to make out or whatnot else... I've been more than reasonably safe the entire time, and even the one or two times I've been stuck, were "self rescue" situations... The worst of which I had to lay as still as I could and wait until the "gang" got back with enough rope to get extra hands on me and yank me free. It was more embarrassing than scary even... and my light went out for a good chunk of the hours I waited, because the rope was in CAMP and my pack with my batteries and spare lights was just out of my reach at the time... FUN... Sh*t happens EVERYWHERE... Nothing worth doing is easy or particularly safe. Even sitting there with your art is a risk of ridicule and humiliation, self loathing, depression, and self destruction. Whatever you do, there are good ways to do it, and sh*tty ways to die because of it. Use that and choose as you will. ;o)
The government isn’t responsible for people being idiots. What qualifications did the group have to just decide to follow an experienced group and not expect something to go wrong.
Story 1 Canary Island Tanerife: Noone should apologize, if you're exploring and you die, it's your own fault. I cannot believe the Island government paid 1 million Euros, that's ridiculous. Look where they were, look at that thick jungle, rugged landscape, caverns, water, volcano, etc. and you're telling me that those people, all adults didn't think they could potentially die or be seriously hurt? "Oh, let me explore these dangerous caves that I know nothing about and follow people that I don't know and expect everything's going to be amazing, absolutely nothing to worry about." Yeah, ok
The cave without any of the dangers was mentioned on brochures and the cancelled cave guide texted the route, which lead to the tourists thinking it was safe, obviously common sense should still apply, but in EUROPE it's standard to mark dangerous areas with signs and dangerous caves are supposed to be walled off and locked with a key so that only people with access can actually explore. Also the 1 million euros wasn't as far as I know paid to the people that were injured, but was paid to make sure this wouldn't happen again.
@@xabhax In Colorado SAR is free unless they suspect negligence, which imo is exactly how it should be, this was %100 negligence on the part of the idiots that went in unprepared and the Gov. Never should have paid a penny to anyone. Ridiculous.
@@MoustacheMedic Ridiculous to death, that's how ridiculous it is. Should be free, $hit happens and can happen to anyone...however, as you said if negligence boarding on stupidity is suspected, they should pay all costs incurred by SARS plus fines.
@@MoustacheMedic people in the US get Millons because the coffee is to hot. A cave that is filled with toxic gas can't be accessible for everyone without a warning sign or even need to be closed. So you can blame the people for being stupid, but that doesn't clear the wrongs of the government. It's a EU country and it has to apply the EU rules.
That first story had me rolling absolutely no one needs to apologize or even pay for legit stupidity. I don’t even walk in my local hiking trail alone and these people thought it was a bright idea to walk in a volcanic cave????? Ridiculous.
They did ask a guide about how to get to it, and he told them where to go but didn’t mention it’s danger. I can see why it seems safe to hikers/explorers. But the the hikers should have also looked up potential danger and the low down on the territory they would enter before going.
they did NOT know the dangers, that's why they died. That's why 99% of stories here end up in death, ignorance still, it was mainly on them. The guide that ditched them could (and should) still had tell them about the toxic air, imho
It's what happens with adrenaline junkies, they're always increasing the risk to get the same adrenaline rush...this inevitably leads to more and more danger in environments where danger and risk to life is increased.
Exactly. Everybody has a perception of danger and self-preservation. But some people supressed that perception so many times that it is not longer giving warning signals. Leave aside that what they do looks incomprehensible to the rest of us. Go "exploring" the earths butthole. What do you expect to find.
I notice in many hundreds of stories ive heard its almost always novice or experienced that get fked up I hope to remain in the middle of those 2 groups, never be unprepared or become complacent
Yeah it's always a shame when someone dies but they did doing what they loved, But there is always someone out there who tries to pass the buck of responsibility. And we see in most of these videos that it's the person's stupidity that kills them and puts rescuers at risk.
The odds of getting nailed by a shark are incredibly low, but getting hit by a swarm? That's getting sucked out a plane and falling onto a landmine level of unlikely.
Idk much about bull sharks aside from their aggression, but I am familiar with another large species, the Galapagos sharks. I have swam with them several times in pelagic free dives in Hawaii. They are a docile schooling species up to 12 ft long, basically they swim together when not eating. In a different country there was an incident where a Galapagos shark school was turned into some kind of tourist attraction, and something happened. One woman was injured or bitten, and the amount of blood caused the others nearby to also attack. It became a feeding frenzy instantly. The woman died. So my thought is, if the first bull shark severed the femoral artery you'd basically have a huge amount of blood instantly in the water. The second bull shark would have immediately been attracted if they were anywhere nearby. Especially add in he was probably thrashing around fighting for his life, looking even more like prey at this point. The first shark may have realized that it bit a human (we don't have nearly enough fat to be palatable) and was no longer interested in him (or at least didn't want to risk being injured and was waiting till he died from blood loss) but the second shark wanted to check him out too... And unfortunately just the first bite itself would have been fatal without a tourniquet being applied within minutes.
For Story 2, I sure hope they have better ways to determine if it's safe as possible to go into the water to take underwater pictures. It seems like there should have been for them to see if the conditions were safer before she dived in, but maybe it's harder than one would think.
I am curious how she, with her experience and eyes, didn't notice the condition of the water on the upper side of the dam when she was inspecting the water conditions prior to getting in the water because that's part of a no-brainer safety check.. given that she didn't dive without checking the water conditions on both sides of the dam on her other dives into the area.
I have found this channel 2 weeks ago, and binged watched literally every single video, you tell these stories very well and always include so much information. Got so excited when I saw that you have uploaded again! Keep up the great work
I remember when that attack happened on Stephen Schaffer.. I go to Stuart beach almost everyday. Definitely made me much more wary about how deep in the water I go.
The second story is pretty scary for me. Something about whirlpools and strong currents. Especially around dams and places where you could be sucked into a hole by super powered forces of water
A guide isn't responsible for your safety. Your safety matters only to you. No one else. You're there for you. Save yourself. If you don't you won't be saved. Is that enough incentive to take care of yourself? YOU want to risk death? Go ahead, and when you complain about what you got yourself into be ready to be disregarded.
Who’s supposed to apologize? People need to have some accountability in there adult assumption of risk. Not blame the government when the fault is of the people that didn’t make smart decisions.
being trapped underground or anything similar to these kind stories is a big fear of mine. you couldn't pay me to explore caves. great content anyway. sub earned
I would like to just take a second and note the incredible balls on that lifeguard to go get that guy while he was being attcked by sharks. I don't even know how he can paddle on a surf board with nuts that big
It kind of seems that sharks can get caught off guard and or remain distracted if they have a chunk of days snack while said shack can be rescued. The lifeguard swimming at the shark could have deterred the shark by chance too.
story #1 puzzles me when you say no one took the blame - the people that went into the CAVE take the BLAME - they are all adults - I'm seeing more and more of this nonsense where someone tries to blame other people for their own stipudity - it's really concerning.
They all chose to go into that cave without a guide. It's not anyone else fault but theirs and unfortunately they paid the price for not taking a guide.
0:50 Tenerife is also the location of the world deadliest plane accident. 583 people died when two 747s collided on the runway during fog, on March 27 1977.
12:45 "Couldn't find anyone to blame" Yes the company is to blame for not having a safety procedure that meant checking the current level before a dive was to happen
I worked on natural gas wells on a special type or service rig all around Western-Canada (stand-alone snubbing). I know and have seen the devistation the gases and pressures cause at surface. There's NO way I would go in a cave system like that. They should have known better. I mean, if roughnecks know this, why the hell didn't one scientist think about this. Especially when people started going down.
Happy Thanksgiving! In the first story, you’ve a photo of Mokoli’i, or Chinaman’s Hat, off the coast of O’ahu in Hawai’i rather than Tenerife. I love your channel! It gets me through many boring hours on the treadmill in the icy winter!
Definitely don’t go surfing by yourself, especially when you know it’s extremely unsafe to surf by yourself. Always take a buddy with you, and always tell someone if you’re going surfing, how long you think you’ll be and your location. Take care out there and be safe
The likelihood of this happening is so low. Experienced surfers are usually okay surfing alone. In this case even if it were more then just steven, anyone involved would have been attacked by the swarm
That second story is so unfortunate. She was just going about her normal job. :( Though I will say, these types of stories while not necessarily all cave, mountain, or diving disaster stories felt in line with the channel content.
I can't believe there was no one to blame for the dam story. Surely, somewhere in the safety procedures, there should have been a mention of the danger of going in when there was a big difference in water levels?!
Diving in a dam? NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPEEEEEEEEEEEEN NOOOOOOPEPEO Never ever get close to entering the waters of a dam, I wouldn't do it even if I was a paid diver. Screw that.
i knew i recognized the dam in that 2nd story. insane to learn about this, i've passed the chaudière bridge dozens of times and never knew... hull was a timber town for a long time, filling the ottawa river with raftsmen/log drivers, so tons of people probably drowned in the cold waters. might be one of the reasons why those old factory buildings feel so haunted
Thanks for the extra information. The water shots he showed did not look like a safe place to dive at all. I'm wondering if there would have been some way to tell the flow through the dam was heavier than usual that day.
For #2 I feel like the company or her higher up should be held responsible because they had to of known the water levels that day, but still expected her to take photos. I dunno. Doesn't sit right with me
Plus they did an internal investigation, you can literally NEVER trust a company to hold itself responsible for negligence cause they will always find "No one to blame".
The company is owned by the government. After this incident, in which they admitted they had been negligent, an investigative commission was raised to improve safety protocols within the company. In citing:
most of these technical dives, the diver is responsible for its own safety. Like divers working on oil rigs, they are hired by the oil company but they are responsible for their own safety. Meaning, she probably should have noticed the high currents and Delta P before diving
"What a tragedy that govt did think to put a warning sign on every single dangerous thing that exists in the world!!!!! How come they haven't apologized yet!?!?!!" -some idiot
You have delivered as always and the mountain series are always treacherous horrors, so juicy. Thank you for everything you do, sir. Hope you are enjoying the day and everything is well for you. 🤠👍
As for story #1, no one should take responsibility for what happened to those people. It was extremely foolish of them to go in the caves without a guide. No one else should be blamed for the stupidity of others.
No one NEEDS to apologize. The 29 people didn’t have cave experience nor a guide of any kind and I’m not counting that one that was apparently on the phone. They did it to themselves by going in anyway.
My grandfather worked for Hydro Quebec when he was a young man. Safety was not a priority for HQ back then. He died from oesophageal and stomach cancer caused by handling toxic chemicals.
some of them complained they couldn’t breathe but didn’t bother to just stop and turn back to go outside. If you have a brain to stop doing something stupid DO IT you know you need to turn around but dumb people are always going to be the downfall of their own funeral you don’t listen to your own voice and most likely don’t listen to others either if you’re in serious danger.
@@MrDeified Thanks, for replying to that. But, I realized after I sent this, that you might be Canadian? Which would mean, I'm a month and a half late with those words to you, right? Anyway, Happy Holidays to you, too. Take care from Minneapolis, Minnesota. 🤙
In the first story it was totally 100% the cavers fault. They should've done more research and not been so careless. Some personal responsibility, no one forced them to go into the cave. They should've been made to pay the cost of the rescue effort!!
The Cavers should of definitely gone in with a guide & should of planned it with the guide its better to be safe than Sorry , RIP to the men and woman who died in the cave, I think it should Remain closed so no one Else dies in the many small gas chambers in the cave, Story 2 I think that they should of planned a better safety route & took the photos in warmer weather RIP Sweet lady its so Sad what happened to you,🙏s for your family & friends, God Bless Stephen, I think he should of just gone home after his lesson he would still be alive to this day RIP Stephen, bull sharks are the worst for attacking humans, its strange that more than 1 shark attacked him 🙏s for his family & friends.
It’s ridiculous how the government or land owners are expected to take the blame when a bunch of idiots put themselves in danger and get killed. It’s no one’s fault but their own.
for the first story i dont get why the government or anyone needs to apologize or even pay 1million euros just because 30 adults decided to go in a cave that they knew the risks of going into, the only people that need to apologize in my opinion are the people that organized the group together to go in.
story 1.. i don't think anyone needs to apologize ? they choose to go into a cave and walk around for a mile??? how is that the goverments fault they didnt check if volcanic caves have poisonous gases? if not gas then they could have died to flash flooding, falling, cave-ins, getting stuck, or getting lost, gas is probably the least painful option too
My cousin went on a trip to surf the black sand beaches of Costa Rica. While paddling out he was attacked by a tiger shark and somehow fought him off w/o losing a limb; his gaping wound on his leg required a shit ton of stitches tho. Supposedly the shark mistook him for a seal but that’s clearly not *always* the case with those crazies.
Tiger sharks are opportunistic ambush hunters, if you allow them to sneak up on you (which is easy unless you're snorkeling or diving) they are much more likely to try something, especially if they are starving or otherwise ill or injured. The oceans collapse of the fish food chains affects sharks greatly. And we will see sharks become more and more desperate as their normal prey literally are being fished to extinction by humans
The privilege to take a risk with your own life and expect someone to risk theirs to save you. No one should apologize for risks people willingly take against warning.
My family own property at the base of this mountain next to the football field, I'll never forget when they had to rescue 3 German tourists who found out about it on Google and decided to try and hike it, if I remember correctly 2 fell to their deaths and the other later died in hospital due to internal bleeding
Oh, I forgot ......... One day , among hundreds , I was close to the water , the surf was pounding that day , --------- so there was a 3 foot drop off right at my feet . I just happen to be looking down , and a freaking 8 foot shark swam right by . ---------- When they say they can't believe their eyes , now I know what that means . I live in Michigan now , whole different set of fun things ........................ ----------------------- I am done with Florida ,,,, but I truly miss the salt water fishing . take care .
Unless a cave falls on me, I'm never getting trapped in one.
Let's hope that doesn't happen😁
I ain't ever going into a cave for that to happen. Maybe I'd walk in 8ft and yell a couple times then I'm out.🤣
@@KarlyNicole
I'm talking about one falling out of the sky - 'Cause that's the only way it's going to be possible.
The first rule of caving is never go into a cave
@@raehandurlabhji2776 indeed...
The Government doesn’t have responsibility for people’s stupidity. It’s on the shoulders of whatever company hired the guide that encouraged them to go on by phone.
To Go in by Phone into a cave without cellphonecoverage
Cellphones don't work in any caves I have ever been in. I have had phones even act funny in them.
Terrifying stories. I do feel that with the cave story in Tenerife there is a degree of responsibility on those who entered willingly, considering they were all adults. However, very strange that a guide would simply tell them which way to go and fail to warn of the dangers. I mean, anyone not respecting a 1 mile hole in the ground is open to its wrath.
Great content - never heard these ones before :)
fully agree with the Tenerife part
though, the guide who did an over-the-phone guide should have been held responsible to a degree, I do not really see it being any part of the provincial governments fault, it is not like this is an attraction theme park they had created, nor did they popularize it... the tourists have reasonable freedom to risk their lives, which is something they did fairly flagrantly here... in the end, the end they met is upon their heads...
And the earth swallowed them whole, never to relinquish its prey
Yes there is a degree of responsibility : the degree/percentage of responsibility is 💯%
Tenerife is cursed, first the Crash of the Century and now this
The guide should never have given them the slightest notion that they could handle it alone... At the same time, ANYONE who's ever even talked about going to explore a volcanic cave system is warned to bring stuff like gas meters and emergency air bottles... There ARE "egress" bottles that work relatively like miniature scuba tanks, slightly hybridized with an aerosol can. They can be carried by caribiner on a belt and have up to 45 minutes of "supplemental air", meaning you CAN use it where the air is toxic and shut it off where it's clear enough to breathe to get out... I was even trained to use them by the U.S. Navy in the 90's, so I KNOW for a fact, they were around a lot earlier than that...
You NEVER go caving alone, nor without someone who knows about the cave's locale, and "usual hazards"... AND YOU ALWAYS HAVE A PHYSICAL MAP! That also means you better know how to read such a map... This is beyond the usual "minimums" people preach about like the three (3) KNOWN GOOD light sources, appropriate clothing and pads (knee and elbow) and hard hat or similar head protection. You WILL bang your head in a cave... not an "if" but a "when"... AND of course, GOOD footwear for hiking and climbing and scrambling over crap... You're GOING to get wet, GOING to be muddy and mucky (yes, there's a difference and no, you probably don't want to know)... ALL of this along with whatever gear or kit or equipment you have in mind for whatever reason you're exploring or sight seeing in the first place (like cameras, ropes, climbing gear, measuring equipment, sample bottles or jars, testing kits, and record keeping material or whatever)...
Not to overtly "victim blame" here, but for the operative lesson, "DO NOT EVER let your caving adventure guide just phone it in." The son of a bitch signed on to lead your expedition, so make him lead it or give back your money and CALL IT OFF.
Look, I've BEEN places with less foot traffic than the back side of the moon. I've put my name in the credits of maps that are CURRENTLY used by rescuers to find the odd lost splonker or idjit teenager looking for a misadventure and a quiet spot to make out or whatnot else... I've been more than reasonably safe the entire time, and even the one or two times I've been stuck, were "self rescue" situations... The worst of which I had to lay as still as I could and wait until the "gang" got back with enough rope to get extra hands on me and yank me free. It was more embarrassing than scary even... and my light went out for a good chunk of the hours I waited, because the rope was in CAMP and my pack with my batteries and spare lights was just out of my reach at the time... FUN...
Sh*t happens EVERYWHERE... Nothing worth doing is easy or particularly safe. Even sitting there with your art is a risk of ridicule and humiliation, self loathing, depression, and self destruction. Whatever you do, there are good ways to do it, and sh*tty ways to die because of it. Use that and choose as you will. ;o)
Dams actually terrify me. I would never in a million years accept a job like that, it sounds like something I see in my nightmares.
You'd think they'd use an ROV for underwater pics by a dam, wouldn't you? I can't think why anyone thought using a diver would be a good idea.
I’ve seen people nearly die on a Weir. That’s only 10m high. I’ve also been at the base of a dam in a Kayak and we always knew the flow.
delta p is a ruthless killer
@@loger_2floofyboogaloo278delta v is worse
@@leftifornian2066 wats that?
The government isn’t responsible for people being idiots. What qualifications did the group have to just decide to follow an experienced group and not expect something to go wrong.
Story 1 Canary Island Tanerife: Noone should apologize, if you're exploring and you die, it's your own fault. I cannot believe the Island government paid 1 million Euros, that's ridiculous. Look where they were, look at that thick jungle, rugged landscape, caverns, water, volcano, etc. and you're telling me that those people, all adults didn't think they could potentially die or be seriously hurt? "Oh, let me explore these dangerous caves that I know nothing about and follow people that I don't know and expect everything's going to be amazing, absolutely nothing to worry about." Yeah, ok
@@xabhax absolutely, I agree
The cave without any of the dangers was mentioned on brochures and the cancelled cave guide texted the route, which lead to the tourists thinking it was safe, obviously common sense should still apply, but in EUROPE it's standard to mark dangerous areas with signs and dangerous caves are supposed to be walled off and locked with a key so that only people with access can actually explore.
Also the 1 million euros wasn't as far as I know paid to the people that were injured, but was paid to make sure this wouldn't happen again.
@@xabhax In Colorado SAR is free unless they suspect negligence, which imo is exactly how it should be, this was %100 negligence on the part of the idiots that went in unprepared and the Gov. Never should have paid a penny to anyone. Ridiculous.
@@MoustacheMedic Ridiculous to death, that's how ridiculous it is. Should be free, $hit happens and can happen to anyone...however, as you said if negligence boarding on stupidity is suspected, they should pay all costs incurred by SARS plus fines.
@@MoustacheMedic people in the US get Millons because the coffee is to hot. A cave that is filled with toxic gas can't be accessible for everyone without a warning sign or even need to be closed. So you can blame the people for being stupid, but that doesn't clear the wrongs of the government. It's a EU country and it has to apply the EU rules.
So 29 adults enter into a cave without guides, maps or knowledge of the cave, but somehow someone must apologise for their actions...whatever.
Right?! It's always someone else's fault.
Well said I was just thinking that I mean they took their life into their own hands
All of the idiots who survived this should face a stiff fine to pay for the cost of their rescue
What happened to waivers,man right!!!
yOu DiDnT StOp MeEeE!! It's you're fault!!
That first story had me rolling absolutely no one needs to apologize or even pay for legit stupidity. I don’t even walk in my local hiking trail alone and these people thought it was a bright idea to walk in a volcanic cave????? Ridiculous.
Some people aren't afraid of their own shadow.
They did ask a guide about how to get to it, and he told them where to go but didn’t mention it’s danger. I can see why it seems safe to hikers/explorers. But the the hikers should have also looked up potential danger and the low down on the territory they would enter before going.
@SeanSpecker Oh yeah? You one of them? You go explore that volcano cave then mr brave boy. Go without a guide too. I dare you.
No
@@SeanSpecker a shadow is different from a series of volcanic caves. That should be fairly obvious to - anyone.
It sounds like Stephen had a lot of people who cared about him. He must have been a good friend. Sad for his mom and everyone who miss him.
Sharks keep eating people but they always say they were mistaken as a seal. Sure.
in story 1 no one needs to apologize. the cave explorers knew the dangers and they still went in
Here’s how I would apologize, “ we are sorry that your family member went into the cave knowing they needed a guide but went anyway.
they did NOT know the dangers, that's why they died.
That's why 99% of stories here end up in death, ignorance
still, it was mainly on them. The guide that ditched them could (and should) still had tell them about the toxic air, imho
It is always bad once you get used to danger. It makes it hard to tell when your life is really at risk.
It's what happens with adrenaline junkies, they're always increasing the risk to get the same adrenaline rush...this inevitably leads to more and more danger in environments where danger and risk to life is increased.
@@AtomicExtremophile More and more, until no more cause they ded
Exactly. Everybody has a perception of danger and self-preservation. But some people supressed that perception so many times that it is not longer giving warning signals.
Leave aside that what they do looks incomprehensible to the rest of us. Go "exploring" the earths butthole. What do you expect to find.
I notice in many hundreds of stories ive heard its almost always novice or experienced that get fked up
I hope to remain in the middle of those 2 groups, never be unprepared or become complacent
Yeah it's always a shame when someone dies but they did doing what they loved,
But there is always someone out there who tries to pass the buck of responsibility.
And we see in most of these videos that it's the person's stupidity that kills them and puts rescuers at risk.
Caving is scary as hell to me. Love these videos.
I'd never do it, myself, but I understand it's attraction to others. Personally, watching videos of this is enough for me.
@@williebeamish5879 this is exactly what I’m saying. Fascinating to watch, that’s as far as it goes for me.
You could not pay me to go into a cave.
I ❤️ caving accidents, too! Caverns, little girls, sharks…they scare the shit out of me
Getting sucked in a dam whirlpool has to be a hell of a scary way to go
What I don't understand is why they didn't just give her extra tank of air. Makes no sense
The odds of getting nailed by a shark are incredibly low, but getting hit by a swarm? That's getting sucked out a plane and falling onto a landmine level of unlikely.
Several is a swarm?
Idk much about bull sharks aside from their aggression, but I am familiar with another large species, the Galapagos sharks. I have swam with them several times in pelagic free dives in Hawaii. They are a docile schooling species up to 12 ft long, basically they swim together when not eating. In a different country there was an incident where a Galapagos shark school was turned into some kind of tourist attraction, and something happened. One woman was injured or bitten, and the amount of blood caused the others nearby to also attack. It became a feeding frenzy instantly. The woman died. So my thought is, if the first bull shark severed the femoral artery you'd basically have a huge amount of blood instantly in the water. The second bull shark would have immediately been attracted if they were anywhere nearby. Especially add in he was probably thrashing around fighting for his life, looking even more like prey at this point. The first shark may have realized that it bit a human (we don't have nearly enough fat to be palatable) and was no longer interested in him (or at least didn't want to risk being injured and was waiting till he died from blood loss) but the second shark wanted to check him out too... And unfortunately just the first bite itself would have been fatal without a tourniquet being applied within minutes.
For Story 2, I sure hope they have better ways to determine if it's safe as possible to go into the water to take underwater pictures. It seems like there should have been for them to see if the conditions were safer before she dived in, but maybe it's harder than one would think.
Now they might be able to use Remote drone subs.
Yeah, like maybe a camera on a stick. I know, novel concept & all..
I am curious how she, with her experience and eyes, didn't notice the condition of the water on the upper side of the dam when she was inspecting the water conditions prior to getting in the water because that's part of a no-brainer safety check..
given that she didn't dive without checking the water conditions on both sides of the dam on her other dives into the area.
Called buy a drone
I have found this channel 2 weeks ago, and binged watched literally every single video, you tell these stories very well and always include so much information.
Got so excited when I saw that you have uploaded again! Keep up the great work
Mad respect for posting on Thanksgiving bro!
What an amazing treat just before turkey dinner..
This year I’m thankful for binge worthy channels like this guy right here.
Good work 😊
Happy holidays Tommy! I really appreciate your support 😊
@@MrDeified
You got it mister.
I remember when that attack happened on Stephen Schaffer.. I go to Stuart beach almost everyday. Definitely made me much more wary about how deep in the water I go.
The second story is pretty scary for me. Something about whirlpools and strong currents. Especially around dams and places where you could be sucked into a hole by super powered forces of water
Yeah something about submerged machinery and turbines and being forced or sucked into the machinery... It's just a whole new level of terrifying
@@morgan4574Submechanophobia I found the term a few months back
So people start to pass out and you still continue going further 👏👏👏 good job and thanks for content 😁
Regarding the first story, why would anyone apologize for tourists, on their on accord, going into a cave?
Take some personal responsibility.
Because the guide gave them a map and told them to go ahead.
A guide isn't responsible for your safety. Your safety matters only to you. No one else. You're there for you. Save yourself. If you don't you won't be saved. Is that enough incentive to take care of yourself? YOU want to risk death? Go ahead, and when you complain about what you got yourself into be ready to be disregarded.
Damn, didn't expect on update on Thanksgiving. Thank you for always been so awesome with your work.
Thank you so much!!
Tbh I don’t think anyone needed to apologize in the first story. Those people shouldn’t have went in there 🤷🏽♀️
That last story made me tear up at the end, you are a skilled story teller! 🦈
Thank you. I'm living vicariously through your awesome stories. Philadelphia USA
No stock photos. Good show. Subscribed.
I am always excited when I se Mr. D has dropped another video, woo hoo! Five star story telling.
Mr D 😆😆
Who’s supposed to apologize? People need to have some accountability in there adult assumption of risk. Not blame the government when the fault is of the people that didn’t make smart decisions.
awesome stories MrD - suitably harrowing and expertly relayed - good work!
Glad you enjoyed it
being trapped underground or anything similar to these kind stories is a big fear of mine. you couldn't pay me to explore caves. great content anyway. sub earned
So 29 people go into a cave they all get into trouble rescuers account for 24 of them then find 6 bodies, something doesn't add up there.
I thought about that as well. Wondering if they found a different person not associated with those three groups.
I would like to just take a second and note the incredible balls on that lifeguard to go get that guy while he was being attcked by sharks. I don't even know how he can paddle on a surf board with nuts that big
He knew the sharks were busy with the snack
It kind of seems that sharks can get caught off guard and or remain distracted if they have a chunk of days snack while said shack can be rescued. The lifeguard swimming at the shark could have deterred the shark by chance too.
Heros generally walk with a heavy sack
18:28 with all due respect for the last 2 people, but those weren't "caving" going wrong
Life is like caving. You keep going till you reach a dead end and run out of breath
story #1 puzzles me when you say no one took the blame - the people that went into the CAVE take the BLAME - they are all adults - I'm seeing more and more of this nonsense where someone tries to blame other people for their own stipudity - it's really concerning.
Love all your videos! Keep up the amazing content.
Thank you! Will do!
They all chose to go into that cave without a guide. It's not anyone else fault but theirs and unfortunately they paid the price for not taking a guide.
0:50 Tenerife is also the location of the world deadliest plane accident.
583 people died when two 747s collided on the runway during fog, on March 27 1977.
12:45
"Couldn't find anyone to blame"
Yes the company is to blame for not having a safety procedure that meant checking the current level before a dive was to happen
not to mention the permanent line snapping , should not be possible with well maintained modern equipment
And the opposite for the cave… crazy world
I worked on natural gas wells on a special type or service rig all around Western-Canada (stand-alone snubbing).
I know and have seen the devistation the gases and pressures cause at surface. There's NO way I would go in a cave system like that. They should have known better.
I mean, if roughnecks know this, why the hell didn't one scientist think about this. Especially when people started going down.
Thankful for this!! 🦃🍁
Happy Thanksgiving!
In the first story, you’ve a photo of Mokoli’i, or Chinaman’s Hat, off the coast of O’ahu in Hawai’i rather than Tenerife.
I love your channel! It gets me through many boring hours on the treadmill in the icy winter!
Thanks! You too!
Definitely don’t go surfing by yourself, especially when you know it’s extremely unsafe to surf by yourself. Always take a buddy with you, and always tell someone if you’re going surfing, how long you think you’ll be and your location. Take care out there and be safe
I only do body surfing, in freezing north pacific water 😁
The likelihood of this happening is so low. Experienced surfers are usually okay surfing alone. In this case even if it were more then just steven, anyone involved would have been attacked by the swarm
That second story is so unfortunate. She was just going about her normal job. :( Though I will say, these types of stories while not necessarily all cave, mountain, or diving disaster stories felt in line with the channel content.
Thank you for the Thanksgiving day vid. Happy Thanksgiving to everyone!
Happy holidays! 😊
I can't believe there was no one to blame for the dam story. Surely, somewhere in the safety procedures, there should have been a mention of the danger of going in when there was a big difference in water levels?!
It's crazy you just started this channel 6 months ago and almost have 100k subs nice job!!
Thanks!
What a sad story. For the first time I know something a scientist doesn’t know - that toxic gases are present on uncharted caves
Great channel. Keep it up!
Diving in a dam? NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPEEEEEEEEEEEEN NOOOOOOPEPEO
Never ever get close to entering the waters of a dam, I wouldn't do it even if I was a paid diver. Screw that.
Those places are scary as hell if you find yourself not in a boat.
delta P bro
i knew i recognized the dam in that 2nd story. insane to learn about this, i've passed the chaudière bridge dozens of times and never knew...
hull was a timber town for a long time, filling the ottawa river with raftsmen/log drivers, so tons of people probably drowned in the cold waters. might be one of the reasons why those old factory buildings feel so haunted
Thanks for the extra information. The water shots he showed did not look like a safe place to dive at all. I'm wondering if there would have been some way to tell the flow through the dam was heavier than usual that day.
For #2 I feel like the company or her higher up should be held responsible because they had to of known the water levels that day, but still expected her to take photos. I dunno. Doesn't sit right with me
Plus they did an internal investigation, you can literally NEVER trust a company to hold itself responsible for negligence cause they will always find "No one to blame".
The company is owned by the government. After this incident, in which they admitted they had been negligent, an investigative commission was raised to improve safety protocols within the company. In citing:
most of these technical dives, the diver is responsible for its own safety.
Like divers working on oil rigs, they are hired by the oil company but they are responsible for their own safety.
Meaning, she probably should have noticed the high currents and Delta P before diving
Happy Thanksgiving & thanks for dropping a video today!
Happy holidays! Welcome 😊
Love the video great story teller ur almost as good as mr ballen
Awesome video! Happy Thanksgiving 👍
Thanks! You too!
PEOPLE WHO GET THEMSELVES INTO THAT KIND OF SITUATION SHOULD BE CHARGED THE ENTIRE COST OF THE RESCUE
Story #1 apologize?? " look, some people are going into an unknown cave! Let's follow them in!! "
"What a tragedy that govt did think to put a warning sign on every single dangerous thing that exists in the world!!!!! How come they haven't apologized yet!?!?!!" -some idiot
You have delivered as always and the mountain series are always treacherous horrors, so juicy. Thank you for everything you do, sir. Hope you are enjoying the day and everything is well for you. 🤠👍
Thank you very much!
As for story #1, no one should take responsibility for what happened to those people. It was extremely foolish of them to go in the caves without a guide. No one else should be blamed for the stupidity of others.
I've watched so many of these videos now I could totally believe more people have died diving than those who haven't among those who've dived.
No one NEEDS to apologize. The 29 people didn’t have cave experience nor a guide of any kind and I’m not counting that one that was apparently on the phone. They did it to themselves by going in anyway.
Thank you 😊🙂💖
You are so welcome
Why would someone apologize for people going into volcanic caves? If you don't know you're putting your life at risk, that's on you.
My grandfather worked for Hydro Quebec when he was a young man. Safety was not a priority for HQ back then. He died from oesophageal and stomach cancer caused by handling toxic chemicals.
some of them complained they couldn’t breathe but didn’t bother to just stop and turn back to go outside. If you have a brain to stop doing something stupid DO IT you know you need to turn around but dumb people are always going to be the downfall of their own funeral you don’t listen to your own voice and most likely don’t listen to others either if you’re in serious danger.
Well, breathing some noxious gasses can screw with your brain's thinking I suppose.
this
as soon as you are not feeling good, it's time to ditch
probably herd mentality kept them going in order to follow the group further explorating
Happy Turkey Day, Mr. Deified... thanks, for sharing your passion with us. 🤙👏🦃🍗 *Gobble Gobble*
Happy holidays! 😊
@@MrDeified Thanks, for replying to that. But, I realized after I sent this, that you might be Canadian? Which would mean, I'm a month and a half late with those words to you, right? Anyway, Happy Holidays to you, too. Take care from Minneapolis, Minnesota. 🤙
I knew I recognized the Dam in the second story... I passed by there often in the past to get to Montreal but I never knew this happened there!
Too bad they didn't mark the tunnels. Excellent vids, new sub. Merry Christmas everyone ☃️🎄🎅
In the first story it was totally 100% the cavers fault. They should've done more research and not been so careless. Some personal responsibility, no one forced them to go into the cave. They should've been made to pay the cost of the rescue effort!!
I'll never understand one thing: it's hard to breath, you start to feel dizzy -> continues to go deeper into the cave
Oh Steven showed up to dinner all right, his own. LMFAO 🦈🦈
The Cavers should of definitely gone in with a guide & should of planned it with the guide its better to be safe than Sorry , RIP to the men and woman who died in the cave, I think it should Remain closed so no one Else dies in the many small gas chambers in the cave, Story 2 I think that they should of planned a better safety route & took the photos in warmer weather RIP Sweet lady its so Sad what happened to you,🙏s for your family & friends, God Bless Stephen, I think he should of just gone home after his lesson he would still be alive to this day RIP Stephen, bull sharks are the worst for attacking humans, its strange that more than 1 shark attacked him 🙏s for his family & friends.
"Should of"? What language is that? It’s not English.
I was born and raised in Stuart Florida, I've swam and surfed at all those Beachsince I was old enough to crawl 🤙🤙🌊
My house is sometimes filled with toxic gasses…
Just blame it on the dog, dude. 😂
Three tragic stories! May they all rest in peace. Thank you MrDeified! I always love your content ☆
Thanks Erica!
Nice shot of Ottawa in there!
Dams/oil pipelines seem more terrifying than caves
It’s ridiculous how the government or land owners are expected to take the blame when a bunch of idiots put themselves in danger and get killed. It’s no one’s fault but their own.
125 people paddle out into shark-infested water after a known predation of someone similarly equipped. Ummm.... RIP to Stephen.
Whats even more thrilling is the underwater cave divers 🥶
Why do they have to apologize they were trespassing and went there without somebody to lead them the hell with who waiting for apology.
Tenner-what? 😭
Tenner-eef
Delta P: when it's got you, it's got you.
7:00 it’s no one else’s fault except those who decided to go caving, they only have themselves to blame!!
What has government to do with ppl that seek death without questioning if it's safe to go thru such caves .
imagine suing people because you decided on your own to go explore a cave and failed... RIP self responsibility
Being stupid and arrogant should be painful. This is one of those cases for story one.
YES ANOTHER DEFIED
Thanks!
2nd story. An autopsy determined that Martine died of hypothermia.
for the first story i dont get why the government or anyone needs to apologize or even pay 1million euros just because 30 adults decided to go in a cave that they knew the risks of going into, the only people that need to apologize in my opinion are the people that organized the group together to go in.
God bless the lifeguard for his efforts in trying to save Stephan.
The production quality of your videos are very good, I would just work on the scripts a bit more
Dam, what an interesting video
story 1.. i don't think anyone needs to apologize ? they choose to go into a cave and walk around for a mile??? how is that the goverments fault they didnt check if volcanic caves have poisonous gases? if not gas then they could have died to flash flooding, falling, cave-ins, getting stuck, or getting lost, gas is probably the least painful option too
My cousin went on a trip to surf the black sand beaches of Costa Rica. While paddling out he was attacked by a tiger shark and somehow fought him off w/o losing a limb; his gaping wound on his leg required a shit ton of stitches tho. Supposedly the shark mistook him for a seal but that’s clearly not *always* the case with those crazies.
Tiger sharks aren't picky, they'll eat anything
Tiger sharks are opportunistic ambush hunters, if you allow them to sneak up on you (which is easy unless you're snorkeling or diving) they are much more likely to try something, especially if they are starving or otherwise ill or injured. The oceans collapse of the fish food chains affects sharks greatly. And we will see sharks become more and more desperate as their normal prey literally are being fished to extinction by humans
The privilege to take a risk with your own life and expect someone to risk theirs to save you. No one should apologize for risks people willingly take against warning.
My family own property at the base of this mountain next to the football field, I'll never forget when they had to rescue 3 German tourists who found out about it on Google and decided to try and hike it, if I remember correctly 2 fell to their deaths and the other later died in hospital due to internal bleeding
Germans be germaning
Oh, I forgot ......... One day , among hundreds , I was close to the water , the surf was pounding that day ,
--------- so there was a 3 foot drop off right at my feet . I just happen to be looking down , and a freaking 8 foot shark swam right by .
---------- When they say they can't believe their eyes , now I know what that means . I live in Michigan now , whole different set of fun things ........................
----------------------- I am done with Florida ,,,, but I truly miss the salt water fishing . take care .
@@jackoh991 I mean its written in a weird way, but most people should be able to understand what he is saying.
If I'm understanding this correctly, you couldn't believe your eyes that a shark was in the ocean? That's pretty much where they live!
A Canadian narrates this. "Tenerife, eh"