I always hate when the rescuers end up getting killed or injured when trying to save reckless people who put themselves in these situations. RIP David!
@@aleksejjovanovic986 Well, first of all there is always a family that needs some kind of closure. Putting emotions aside you also have to remember that there are places where bodies just cannot be left for who knows how long.
@@kartyl1wielki The wish for closure is not worth risking another life, though. Bodies should not be recovered if the recovery risks the life of the recovering person.
@@tayaprince5316 bodies almost always need to be recovered to alleviate the threat of biohazard. I remember one story where a woman was haunted every night by the thought of drowned bodies in a cave in her property. We can all say how we WOULD feel, but we don't really know. Rescuers aren't forced to go down either, they understand the risk (unlike many of the folks they try to rescue).
Here's another way to think about it: those volunteer rescuers are thrill seekers in their free time, nine times out of ten. That's usuallywhat gives them the skills to do what they do. They're all paying into a system that they ultimately benefit from, and sometimes the universe decides that cost is life 🤷🏽♀️ its almost disrespectful to treat them like victims, they're heroes, like fire fighters.
@@aleksejjovanovic986 you’re right. I just saw a video about the Rock Bottom dam river rescue. You can find the real rescue on UA-cam. All these idiots almost died trying to retrieve a corpse. And yeah sorry to me it’s just idiotic. At least the family knows what happened to them. So many don’t even get that.
Yeah I just watched another similar video and there was a group of people walking through a dam that recedes at a certain time, and they ignored the blaring siren that went off like 5 separate times warning people the dam was about to fill as usual
I know this might sound dumb but I grew up like literally 2 minutes away from the dam, and I heard that the water used to be a lot lower so people could actually wake across without any problems, but as the water level went up nobody does it anymore. I think some people around the area underestimate how fast and deep the water is now, and maybe that’s why this could happen?
Am I missing something? Why on Earth would the police try to recover a body from the sluice at the dam without having the dam workers close the sluice gate first? That's like seeing someone fall off a cliff and then deciding to recover the body by jumping off the cliff as well.
@@aftersexhighfives I'm just a mech E student, not civil one, but I would expect the sluice gate to be on the downstream side of the dam, or at least behind the mesh/grating covering the intake. Otherwise, it would be impossible to safely clear away debris like logs, rocks, dead vines, and in this case a diver that inevitably would collect due to the water flow over time.
It's the same as a truck stuck under an overpass, and everyone discussing different methods to raise the overpass, until someone suggested to release the air from the truck tires to lower the truck's height.
I was friends with Dave and his family, went to the Church that his father was a pastor at and was a pall bearer at his father's funeral. He taught me a lot about driving motorcycles when I got my first bike when I was 16. I can attest that he was an amazing guy, cared about everyone around him, I had a lot of respect for him. When he died in this tragic accident, the news was incredibly shocking. I am glad this video did such a great job describing him as he truly was.
This was an especially hard one to listen to. It’s always awful when a rescuer dies but even more so when it’s for a body recovery and not a rescue. I feel awful for everyone involved.
I am so happy Ryan and Jessica are both ok.... I almost lost it when Ryan got stuck... He so selflessly saved Jessica even though he knew he might not survive... Then the rescue workers... They could. Have given up and said it was much too dangerous. .but they didn't. They acted as though Ryan was family. All of you... Including Jessica... Are not only heroes but you're caring.. loving.. wonderful people.. Thank you for everything you did!!
bruh what is this typing…. I almost lost it when it ….. started to rain frogs…. thank god ….. I managed to catch one…. and keep it as a pet…. I named him Chump. He was amazing and so slimy….. but he died shortly after…. I felt so bad that he died…. Rip Chump… Thank you for everything…
The density of sand (which is mostly sillica) is generally larger than that of humans (which are mostly water). This means humans sink only to their middle. If you ever end up in a situation where anyone is stuck in quicksand: DO NOT WIGGLE AROUND OR PANIC. If you do so, the sand (which acts like a non-newtonian fluid) becomes more liquidy and you'll start to sink quicker. Call for help and lean back, that way your surface area becomes larger. Hypothermia and drowning in water above the quicksand are the largest causes of death of people trapped in quicksand.
Yes. In FAVORABLE weather and water conditions, quicksand can be a lot of fun to play in. But lingering in it while pedaling your legs can get you in pretty deep, and then pretty well stuck if you stop moving and allow the sand to settle and firm up. Quicksand play is best done barefoot unless you don't mind losing your shoes!
@@ZZerkZZerk yes, wiggling your feet around IN COMBINATION with making your surface area larger (by leaning back) is indeed recommended. Though, if you only wiggle, you would likely start to sink faster (due to the liquefaction of the sediment below)
I once got stuck in quicksand in the Powder River in Montana in early winter. I was there to take a water sample for an EPA project. I had chest waders on thank God. Before I knew it I was up to my knees. I was alone and knew I had to get out of there. I move very slowly and deliberately back toward the shore. It was almost a swimming morion. It worked. I was able to move in slow motion to get back to solid ground and out of the river. I never went out alone again for that task. The picture of those moments and the sensations I had are imprinted in my brain like a video clip.
I thought Ryan was surely going to die in the river; then I thought you were going to say he'd died because of all the snow on his sleeping bag; and then to hear that he had only minor injuries -- that was incredible! So glad he survived this awful ordeal, and no wonder he had nightmares and flashbacks. I wish him all successes with his photography business. Jessika is to be commended for succeeding to get help for Ryan after the awful decision to leave him in/by the river, too. So glad this story didn't end in disaster; kudos to Ryan's rescuers.
The hiking story scares me because that seems like a much less risky activity than the usual caving, diving, or climbing videos I see. Would be interested to see more stories like that in future videos if you can find them.
Nothing is safe. Keep this in mind while driving. The universe around you is always waiting to collapse into a simpler more entropic position at all times.
Robert is one of the bravest man I’ve ever heard of, literally completely knowledgeable of the situation, 1 man and 1 rescuer down there and the odds weren’t good for his survival but he decided to volunteer because his friend was down there underwater against intense pressure and an almost un winnable scenario. Wow
aint no way I'm going near that dam after I see that 12 volunteers couldn't pull the last rescuer out from under it. Like that's just suicide and almost more stupid than brave
How sad that nobody knew how to get out of that situation. It's actually quite easy, all you have to do is break the section between your skin and the mud. You achieve that by sticking a stick or something into the mud but as close to your stuck appendage (leg, arm) as possible (touching your skin) . Now try to move the object back & forth. Causing a space that doesn't fill back up because you didn't displace anything. You just introduced air and broke that section enough for you to be able to start wiggling your leg back and forth and pulling it out that way. Cuz as long as that section is there you will never pull anybody out. You will pull their arms out of their sockets first. Once loose lay flat in your belly and army crawl with your for arms or lay on your back and use your legs to push yourself away from the area..... Hope this helps....hope nobody ever needs this advice.
The first story actually happened in Cambridge Ontario. My husband who was born in Kitchener remembers when it actually happened and told me about it when we were in Cambridge some time ago sitting blocking at the river and the dam where it happened. There’s a memorial there for it as well. So so sad.
Kids die all the time at the dam in Brantford, ont, where I grew up, at least back in the 70's and 80's There were a few children, found drowned,floating in garbage bags, tied around the neck with their own shoe laces back in the 70's, I lived in riverside gardens, government housing - very dangerous place, one of the young men in our neighborhood was found guilty Richard Marsden- molested 79 children, killed several ( no one is sure how many - ) he drove a white van and worked for the Brantford expositor newspaper delivering to the paper boys...no matter how hard I look I can't find anything about his crimes...( he was my second cousin - molested everyone in the family, myself included, so I KNOW he did these crimes...was released a few years ago...he closed the Kingston Penn, and spent his last years inside milhaven max, sadly in Canada life is only 25 years...
@@c.a.greene8395 Can you elaborate a bit about the drowned boys found floating in trash bags found tied around their necks please. Do they know if this was a crime or something the boys did... I don't understand. I guess what's throwing me off is how can they be "IN" the bag and it be tied around their necks at the same time.... ✨Geez, ...I sound so horrid asking this question.....and for shear curiosity.
@@rainystormcloud7499 I was just saying that the grand river and its dams have been places where missing kids body's have been found over the years...either by accident or when dumped... Richard Marsden killed the kids that were tied up...they were paperboys- ones he delivered the packs of news papers to at 5 am. The kids, and my second cousin, worked for the Brantford expositor News paper, probably why they didn't print anything on the crimes...and I think Richard was under 18, so there would be a publication ban on his name and crimes...
What's more tragic that someone dying while trying to recover a body in a nonemergency? Such dam-involved operations should never be attempted without the advice of a hydrologist. The laws of physics have no regard for heroism. RIP, David.
Quicksand is so treacherous and often innocuous looking. I was almost trapped in quicksand once but luckily I recognized it quickly enough to get flat and drag myself out. Lost both my shoes in the process and came out of there looking a horrid, muddy mess. Had to hike in my socks about a mile back to my truck, but at least I didn't get sucked in to the point of being stuck. I hate to think of how that might have ended if I had.
While hiking or collecting pine nuts in Northern Nevada we had to stay right next to our parents. There were mine shafts that just went straight down, no warning.
AZ is the same. There are huge mine shafts with NO barricaids. One we found when I was a child went straight down; dad dropped a rock in the hole and it was qiite a wait until it hit the bottom.
@@teena602 Of course dad threw a rock in. That's the first thing you do. Haha! And then you fuck off after peeking into the darkness. Like, yep, that's enough for me. I'm done.
@@emmahansen6111 Yeah but we were like 6 and 10 running around in the wilderness. Just saying that running was forbidden when my dad knew that mines were around. REAL ghost towns were super cool to explore up there, even if you didn't have a metal detector it was awesome.
I’ve got coordinates on my maps app on my phone of a bunch mine sites like that in Earp California. Might be marked on BLM maps but nothing visible when offroading. One site they actually gated off (a quad could fit into a pit right in front of the entrance in the side of a mountain)
Your videos are the best. You actually show photos of the real people and the actual areas where these incidents took place. Too many videos on UA-cam just show a lazy montage of video footage that has nothing to do with the actual story. Thanks for putting in the effort to be as detailed as possible.
That deathtrap incident is kinda scary. Quicksand is one of the worst things to get stuck in. The harder u struggle to get out the deeper u go. Then to top it off it was freezing cold. Ryan was very lucky to be rescued.
I think the scariest part is that quicksand and quickmud may not always be there so it may be a spot you've gone over before and it was either firm or wet enough to sink into but you could get out of. But another time you could come through the same place and that patch may have just the right amount of moisture present to allow you to sink and it close around you like cement. There are places on rivers, bays, etc that are fine much of the time but at certain points in either the tide coming in or out or for creeks/rivers, levels of water that turn the sand or mud on the shore/bank into this trap. Be aware of where you're adventuring and always seek out and take the advice of those who are familiar with the area.
As soon as they showed the water conservation area i knew exactly where he was. The currents in these places aren't a joke. Growing up my parents taught me about the forces generated by these Dams, Spill ways, Ocean Rip tides etc... It's so sad that they grew up next to this place but no one told the kid of how dangerous the water here is... Such an easily preventable tragedy.
Why in the hell didn't they close the sluice gate? David (the rescue diver) should have known about the dangers of sluices, and that the kid was not alive anymore, so don't go near the sucking hole of death until the sluice is shut. It was hubris that made him think he could recover a body in that position and get that close to a delta P and he paid the price unfortunately. Body recoveries are not emergencies and there was no reason to not wait until they could do it safely.
It's an extremely bad idea to play by a dam of any size, even completely innocent looking dams can have powerful whirlpools that can trap and drown you. Don't try to cross low head dams! And give them distance when you're swimming
Differential Pressure, aka Delta P is a frightening phenomenon. As soon as you said the first victim was stuck against the sluice gate I knew there was going to be multiple fatalities. :(
Hi there. I just found your channel, and I love it already. I am an experienced caver myself, and your understanding of caves and equipments is quite good. Your videos are intelligent and well-presented. I really suggest you to look up some of the hungarian cases, I hope you can find information in English. I especially suggest the case of Zsolt Szilágyi, he is one of the most well-know cave divers here.
can always count on hearing strange true accounts that I've never came across before when I tune in here! Thanks and keep up the great work, you will be up there with the best of creators in no time and I'm happy I discovered you long ago.👍
Cambridge resident here. Those waters are extremely deadly many people drown in that river each year. most notably 2 teens that were bridge jumping and a cop that went in after them. More recently 2 women that were going down the river on a tube and went over one of the dams. some get sucked into the old waterways for mills that lined the river many many years ago others get sucked away when just trying to go up to their knees. never swim in the grand river or the speed river that meets up with the undertow is very powerful and will kill you. Also Cambridge and Kitchener are 2 different city’s. this particular dam runs beside water st in Cambridge
Dam!! I get apprehensive and cautious near those filter grates, in shallow, filled with cristaline water, well maintained swimming pools, ..., let alone that horrible dam!!
Both of these situations are my worst nightmares. The third would be sudden sink holes, because I've lived in places where they just appear and cars fall in and there just a hole in the road and I am not about that life.
I'm super confused why the kid was stuck in the dam, and they thought, ok go ahead and pull him out with the rescue diver RIGHT NEXT TO HIM. Like OFCOURSE they both got stuck in the dam. Why tf would you try to release the kid(the only thing stopping the rescue diver from being sucked in, obviously) before the rescue person WAS OUT OF HARMS WAY I just truly do not understand how a bunch of full grown adults thought THAT was the plan to go with?! Like I dropped out at 15 and got my GED, I'm Alaskan so I have general survival knowledge, but ive never been trained ive never been anyone who's super smart, and the second he said they pulled on the boy right when the rescue diver put the rope around him, I knew what would happen. How are police and trained rescue divers making such horrible decisions?!
David is a true hero and I hope his family has found some peace! No doubt he was a great man! Quicksand has always been a fear of mine! Don’t hear many stories about it and this one was scary! Good job with the telling of both of these stories!
Could there have been another way to retrieve Mark’s body rather than diving to the sluice? I’m ignorant in the workings of dams but could they have shut it off? Excuse my ignorance.
When I was young I thought quicksand was going to be something I would always have to be careful of. Turns out, not one single event, until now. Tragic and great. Thank you.
I love your story telling skills MrD, you would be my choice to tell my rescue story. Mine isn't on the internet except maybe a short newspaper quip from long ago. My best friend and I required a helicopter rescue and afterwords we went back and took our rescuers(helitack guys) out to dinner in the best restaurant in the area, we were the first people they had rescued that had ever thanked them after the rescue itself and they had performed many rescues. Those are the true heroes, not sports or entertainment stars and deserve rewards!.
I definitely subscribed to you. You give so many details and are super respectful of the people in your stories. I've binged on your videos while working lol. Also, I may have to start being nice to the like button after treating it so horribly under the instructions of MrBallen. You've convinced me to give the Like button a break.
This is crazy! I grew up on the Mississippi River near a dam and everyone knew NOT to swim, dive, etc near the dam. It’s extremely dangerous! We would usually boat and swim down river from the dam-some people went up river-either way was safe. But no one boated, went swimming or diving near it unless they were trying to die. 😳
first story takes place in Cambridge ontario... not Kitchener. but good job. nice to see a local story from my area being told on a platform like this.
Welp, wasn’t expecting to hear my hometown of Kitchener in this. I’ve never heard of this case. Also, Parkhill Dam is in Cambridge, not Kitchener, we’re considered the tri-cities with Waterloo but they are very distinct cities. This is like right smack downtown Cambridge, and it’s also where they film the Handmaid’s tale and the retaining further along was used for filming the hanging bodies scene in the first season. Just gives it an extra dark spin to me😬 In my lifetime I’ve never heard of or seen anyone going near the dam in the water recreationally, that’s insane to me that people did that in the past. I’m assuming this case has a lot to do with that. I was always raised to be wary of dams but my father is a diver so I was taught a lot of water safety. This is also our only large “free” body of water around so it does get used a lot recreationally to this day.
The first one made me kinda mad... Sorry for the family but the body of the guy got himself stuck on the dam should have been left there or until it was safe to get the remains. it's a shame the rescuer trying to get the body passed away too because of the foolish actions of someone
One time when I was a middle-schooler I was playing with a friend out in the woods near the bay in my town in west coast Florida. We were running around like kids do and I jumped across this small creek to the other side and was *instantly* up to my waist in the sand. I did try to pull myself up on instinct at first but it didn't work and I yelled for my friend who came and pulled me out. My jeans were soaked and full of sand so, it being Florida and not a populated area we were in, I took them off and washed them off in the water of the bay and set them over a tree limb to dry in the heat and sun. We sat and bonded more as we waited. It ended up being a good memory for me but it started out SO scary! I never ever did that again. Lol! 😅
Serious question that will seem like a criticism but I'm genuinely asking - When you describe things about what the people involved in these stories are thinking and feeling, have you drawn it from some source or are you adding it for dramatic effect? How much editorializing do you do?
I went on a 2 weeks trip to Scotland UK and the weather there can be so violent!! I don't think I came as prepared as I should've and we're talking it was a July as well! One day we ended up in a camp site in a horrible storm. They had black houses as bathroom, toilets and another black house where you could go and socialise and put a fire on and talk to other campers. We met some campers in the social black house and my partner got me a really lovely gin for my birthday few days before, since we all were out of a drink I decided to go to our tent to get the gin in that really bad storm. When I approached our tent I have slipped into a ditch (basically because of the weather in Scotland some camp sites dig out a ditch around each set up tent site and I had slipped into one it and it was literally pulling me in just like a quick sand would do. I have managed to grab the tent we've set up and held onto it and managed to pull myself back out. I literally thought I was going to die in such a stormy rainy windy weather in the dark on my own. Thank you tent. When I managed to pull myself out I was covered in mud up to my chest 😮
Would it have been possible for the rescuers to somehow get David another tank of air or get him anything at all tht could help him breath while they worked to get him out??? these were such sad endings for those good lives. RIP to the lost💔
Duhh .. drug dealers have real issues to handle that don't include these kinds of activities. Same w black ppl.. u can't PAY us to go cave diving, surfing, mountain climbing etc...
Reminds me of the Spokane waterfront park dam. Tons of people kayak near it but there's a rope and sign saying if you row past this point, you will die.
when youre extremities are freezing, you feel no pain in them. i know because as a kid, while sledding in the snow, i was impaled by a railroad spike in my right thigh. i had no clue a 6 inch long, 1 inch wide iron spike was fully in to my upper thigh. not until i got home & my mom tried to remove my snowsuit was it discovered.
David, im sorry they didnt have better control of the situation, if I saw somebody getting sucked into a dam, there's no way on this good Green earth im jumping in behind them. A true hero indeed. Rip.
At first my brain was like "He's gonna get pulled in half with quicksand!" *Gives a violent pic of a person being quicksand ripped* Me/mouth: Why are we like this?" Continues listening I'm so fucking glad both of them made it okay!
@Mrdeified you might look into the situation 50yrs ago in Duluth Minnesota where the 3 boys died, and a rescuer also passed while trying to retrieve the bodies. Those were my dads best friends growing up and he happened to not be playing the "race the waves" game that day. I have direct knowledge and articles if you're interested (You can find some on it if you look up the brothers- Nathan Halverson, 17, and twins Eric and Arthur Halverson, 16)
They’ve found when people are buried in grain (like corn), that they can place something like a thick tube around the person stuck, and then all you have to scoop is the material in the tube from around the person. This frees the person. I think this same idea would work for quick sand as well, or sand. As long as you can get the thick tube around the person to help protect them from the material refilling around them, you can save them. Possibly. The other thing is, sometimes the material is heavy. Corn can suffocate a victim, same with sand, mud and these other materials. The object is to keep the person above the level of the material so they can breathe.
It’s always interesting to me when a friend goes missing and they assume they just went home??? I would never just go home without telling the people I came with.
I always hate when the rescuers end up getting killed or injured when trying to save reckless people who put themselves in these situations. RIP David!
@@aleksejjovanovic986 Well, first of all there is always a family that needs some kind of closure. Putting emotions aside you also have to remember that there are places where bodies just cannot be left for who knows how long.
@@kartyl1wielki The wish for closure is not worth risking another life, though. Bodies should not be recovered if the recovery risks the life of the recovering person.
@@tayaprince5316 bodies almost always need to be recovered to alleviate the threat of biohazard. I remember one story where a woman was haunted every night by the thought of drowned bodies in a cave in her property.
We can all say how we WOULD feel, but we don't really know. Rescuers aren't forced to go down either, they understand the risk (unlike many of the folks they try to rescue).
Here's another way to think about it: those volunteer rescuers are thrill seekers in their free time, nine times out of ten. That's usuallywhat gives them the skills to do what they do. They're all paying into a system that they ultimately benefit from, and sometimes the universe decides that cost is life 🤷🏽♀️ its almost disrespectful to treat them like victims, they're heroes, like fire fighters.
@@aleksejjovanovic986 you’re right. I just saw a video about the Rock Bottom dam river rescue. You can find the real rescue on UA-cam. All these idiots almost died trying to retrieve a corpse. And yeah sorry to me it’s just idiotic. At least the family knows what happened to them. So many don’t even get that.
Maybe I'm really smart, but I don't need a warning sign or a fence to stop me from swimming near a freaking dam.
Just what I was thinking, but apparently others don't have the sense not to do that.
Not just swimming near a dam either, purposefully allowing yourself to be sucked into a sluice.
Yeah I just watched another similar video and there was a group of people walking through a dam that recedes at a certain time, and they ignored the blaring siren that went off like 5 separate times warning people the dam was about to fill as usual
I know this might sound dumb but I grew up like literally 2 minutes away from the dam, and I heard that the water used to be a lot lower so people could actually wake across without any problems, but as the water level went up nobody does it anymore. I think some people around the area underestimate how fast and deep the water is now, and maybe that’s why this could happen?
With peace and love, I’m sure you’ve fucked up in other spectacular ways during your lifetime.
Am I missing something? Why on Earth would the police try to recover a body from the sluice at the dam without having the dam workers close the sluice gate first? That's like seeing someone fall off a cliff and then deciding to recover the body by jumping off the cliff as well.
Hard to believe that no one thought of that.
I don't know how it designed but I kind of wonder if that might have crushed the dude
@@aftersexhighfives I'm just a mech E student, not civil one, but I would expect the sluice gate to be on the downstream side of the dam, or at least behind the mesh/grating covering the intake. Otherwise, it would be impossible to safely clear away debris like logs, rocks, dead vines, and in this case a diver that inevitably would collect due to the water flow over time.
It's the same as a truck stuck under an overpass, and everyone discussing different methods to raise the overpass, until someone suggested to release the air from the truck tires to lower the truck's height.
Exactly! Why did they not close at f the sluice?
I was friends with Dave and his family, went to the Church that his father was a pastor at and was a pall bearer at his father's funeral. He taught me a lot about driving motorcycles when I got my first bike when I was 16. I can attest that he was an amazing guy, cared about everyone around him, I had a lot of respect for him.
When he died in this tragic accident, the news was incredibly shocking. I am glad this video did such a great job describing him as he truly was.
God bless him. Seems like a brave man
@@desdicadoric We shall not see his like again
Lies
David truly deserve the medal for bravery, he was still holding onto Mark when they recover their body.
That’s so tragic man, David seemed like a great guy. Respect to these first responders.
He knew he was going to die and still prioritized recovering the kids body.. I have no words for the amount of respect i have for the guy..
Great now Ik what’s gonna happen GG
Respect to all first responders
@@StaticM223 yes, and water is wet 😏
@@RadicalEdward_115 it is indeed
This was an especially hard one to listen to. It’s always awful when a rescuer dies but even more so when it’s for a body recovery and not a rescue. I feel awful for everyone involved.
I am so happy Ryan and Jessica are both ok.... I almost lost it when Ryan got stuck... He so selflessly saved Jessica even though he knew he might not survive... Then the rescue workers... They could. Have given up and said it was much too dangerous.
.but they didn't. They acted as though Ryan was family. All of you... Including Jessica... Are not only heroes but you're caring.. loving.. wonderful people..
Thank you for everything you did!!
bruh what is this typing…. I almost lost it when it ….. started to rain frogs…. thank god ….. I managed to catch one…. and keep it as a pet…. I named him Chump. He was amazing and so slimy….. but he died shortly after…. I felt so bad that he died…. Rip Chump… Thank you for everything…
@@yuki._.6406 rude
Was not expecting that. Until they started talking about the thoughts he was having, that is.
Omg I was sitting here doing until I read your comment. I haven't gotten to that point yet😢❤
The density of sand (which is mostly sillica) is generally larger than that of humans (which are mostly water). This means humans sink only to their middle. If you ever end up in a situation where anyone is stuck in quicksand: DO NOT WIGGLE AROUND OR PANIC. If you do so, the sand (which acts like a non-newtonian fluid) becomes more liquidy and you'll start to sink quicker. Call for help and lean back, that way your surface area becomes larger. Hypothermia and drowning in water above the quicksand are the largest causes of death of people trapped in quicksand.
Yes. In FAVORABLE weather and water conditions, quicksand can be a lot of fun to play in. But lingering in it while pedaling your legs can get you in pretty deep, and then pretty well stuck if you stop moving and allow the sand to settle and firm up. Quicksand play is best done barefoot unless you don't mind losing your shoes!
Pretty sure Dinosaur type creatures live in Quick Sand though? I'd think that'd be the most logical deadly threat!
@@FatRescueSwimmer04 yeah i forgot about that
@@ZZerkZZerk yes, wiggling your feet around IN COMBINATION with making your surface area larger (by leaning back) is indeed recommended. Though, if you only wiggle, you would likely start to sink faster (due to the liquefaction of the sediment below)
@@FatRescueSwimmer04 is this a star wars thing
I once got stuck in quicksand in the Powder River in Montana in early winter. I was there to take a water sample for an EPA project. I had chest waders on thank God. Before I knew it I was up to my knees. I was alone and knew I had to get out of there. I move very slowly and deliberately back toward the shore. It was almost a swimming morion. It worked. I was able to move in slow motion to get back to solid ground and out of the river. I never went out alone again for that task. The picture of those moments and the sensations I had are imprinted in my brain like a video clip.
I thought Ryan was surely going to die in the river; then I thought you were going to say he'd died because of all the snow on his sleeping bag; and then to hear that he had only minor injuries -- that was incredible! So glad he survived this awful ordeal, and no wonder he had nightmares and flashbacks. I wish him all successes with his photography business.
Jessika is to be commended for succeeding to get help for Ryan after the awful decision to leave him in/by the river, too.
So glad this story didn't end in disaster; kudos to Ryan's rescuers.
The hiking story scares me because that seems like a much less risky activity than the usual caving, diving, or climbing videos I see. Would be interested to see more stories like that in future videos if you can find them.
I agree and will do. Thanks for watching!
Nothing is safe. Keep this in mind while driving. The universe around you is always waiting to collapse into a simpler more entropic position at all times.
Hiking can be risky, like if you get lost in the wilderness and then disappear.
I agree with samxyx
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Robert is one of the bravest man I’ve ever heard of, literally completely knowledgeable of the situation, 1 man and 1 rescuer down there and the odds weren’t good for his survival but he decided to volunteer because his friend was down there underwater against intense pressure and an almost un winnable scenario. Wow
aint no way I'm going near that dam after I see that 12 volunteers couldn't pull the last rescuer out from under it. Like that's just suicide and almost more stupid than brave
How sad that nobody knew how to get out of that situation. It's actually quite easy, all you have to do is break the section between your skin and the mud. You achieve that by sticking a stick or something into the mud but as close to your stuck appendage (leg, arm) as possible (touching your skin) .
Now try to move the object back & forth. Causing a space that doesn't fill back up because you didn't displace anything. You just introduced air and broke that section enough for you to be able to start wiggling your leg back and forth and pulling it out that way. Cuz as long as that section is there you will never pull anybody out. You will pull their arms out of their sockets first.
Once loose lay flat in your belly and army crawl with your for arms or lay on your back and use your legs to push yourself away from the area.....
Hope this helps....hope nobody ever needs this advice.
That would work if the sand wasn’t underwater
Do you mean suction?
Absolutely nothing about your explanation sounded “easy” 🤦♀️ but okay, maybe easier said than done right?
@@MicovskiMCI believe he did
Thanks Macgyver
God, stuck in quicksand in cold water is pure, horrific nightmare fuel.
And yet somehow still better than being stuck in an underwater cave with your oxygen running out.
The first story actually happened in Cambridge Ontario. My husband who was born in Kitchener remembers when it actually happened and told me about it when we were in Cambridge some time ago sitting blocking at the river and the dam where it happened. There’s a memorial there for it as well. So so sad.
Exactly I was born and raised in Kitchener and thought the same as ur hubby. I new right away it was cambridge and not Kitchener Scenery.
Kids die all the time at the dam in Brantford, ont, where I grew up, at least back in the 70's and 80's
There were a few children, found drowned,floating in garbage bags, tied around the neck with their own shoe laces back in the 70's, I lived in riverside gardens, government housing - very dangerous place, one of the young men in our neighborhood was found guilty Richard Marsden- molested 79 children, killed several ( no one is sure how many - ) he drove a white van and worked for the Brantford expositor newspaper delivering to the paper boys...no matter how hard I look I can't find anything about his crimes...( he was my second cousin - molested everyone in the family, myself included, so I KNOW he did these crimes...was released a few years ago...he closed the Kingston Penn, and spent his last years inside milhaven max, sadly in Canada life is only 25 years...
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Can you elaborate a bit about the drowned boys found floating in trash bags found tied around their necks please.
Do they know if this was a crime or something the boys did... I don't understand.
I guess what's throwing me off is how can they be "IN" the bag and it be tied around their necks at the same time....
✨Geez, ...I sound so horrid asking this question.....and for shear curiosity.
Agreed. I grew up in Cambridge at that time and recognized the story
@@rainystormcloud7499 I was just saying that the grand river and its dams have been places where missing kids body's have been found over the years...either by accident or when dumped...
Richard Marsden killed the kids that were tied up...they were paperboys- ones he delivered the packs of news papers to at 5 am. The kids, and my second cousin, worked for the Brantford expositor News paper, probably why they didn't print anything on the crimes...and I think Richard was under 18, so there would be a publication ban on his name and crimes...
What's more tragic that someone dying while trying to recover a body in a nonemergency? Such dam-involved operations should never be attempted without the advice of a hydrologist. The laws of physics have no regard for heroism. RIP, David.
Quicksand is so treacherous and often innocuous looking. I was almost trapped in quicksand once but luckily I recognized it quickly enough to get flat and drag myself out. Lost both my shoes in the process and came out of there looking a horrid, muddy mess. Had to hike in my socks about a mile back to my truck, but at least I didn't get sucked in to the point of being stuck. I hate to think of how that might have ended if I had.
While hiking or collecting pine nuts in Northern Nevada we had to stay right next to our parents. There were mine shafts that just went straight down, no warning.
AZ is the same. There are huge mine shafts with NO barricaids. One we found when I was a child went straight down; dad dropped a rock in the hole and it was qiite a wait until it hit the bottom.
@@teena602 Of course dad threw a rock in. That's the first thing you do. Haha! And then you fuck off after peeking into the darkness. Like, yep, that's enough for me. I'm done.
I use to explore those mines. In ely nv. With good judgment they’re fine. Also hard to miss a hole in the ground
@@emmahansen6111 Yeah but we were like 6 and 10 running around in the wilderness. Just saying that running was forbidden when my dad knew that mines were around.
REAL ghost towns were super cool to explore up there, even if you didn't have a metal detector it was awesome.
I’ve got coordinates on my maps app on my phone of a bunch mine sites like that in Earp California. Might be marked on BLM maps but nothing visible when offroading. One site they actually gated off (a quad could fit into a pit right in front of the entrance in the side of a mountain)
Your videos are the best. You actually show photos of the real people and the actual areas where these incidents took place. Too many videos on UA-cam just show a lazy montage of video footage that has nothing to do with the actual story. Thanks for putting in the effort to be as detailed as possible.
That deathtrap incident is kinda scary. Quicksand is one of the worst things to get stuck in. The harder u struggle to get out the deeper u go. Then to top it off it was freezing cold. Ryan was very lucky to be rescued.
I think the scariest part is that quicksand and quickmud may not always be there so it may be a spot you've gone over before and it was either firm or wet enough to sink into but you could get out of. But another time you could come through the same place and that patch may have just the right amount of moisture present to allow you to sink and it close around you like cement. There are places on rivers, bays, etc that are fine much of the time but at certain points in either the tide coming in or out or for creeks/rivers, levels of water that turn the sand or mud on the shore/bank into this trap. Be aware of where you're adventuring and always seek out and take the advice of those who are familiar with the area.
I've read it's best to lie flat or spread your weight, although obviously I've not actually tried that.
As soon as they showed the water conservation area i knew exactly where he was. The currents in these places aren't a joke. Growing up my parents taught me about the forces generated by these Dams, Spill ways, Ocean Rip tides etc... It's so sad that they grew up next to this place but no one told the kid of how dangerous the water here is... Such an easily preventable tragedy.
Why in the hell didn't they close the sluice gate? David (the rescue diver) should have known about the dangers of sluices, and that the kid was not alive anymore, so don't go near the sucking hole of death until the sluice is shut. It was hubris that made him think he could recover a body in that position and get that close to a delta P and he paid the price unfortunately. Body recoveries are not emergencies and there was no reason to not wait until they could do it safely.
It's an extremely bad idea to play by a dam of any size, even completely innocent looking dams can have powerful whirlpools that can trap and drown you. Don't try to cross low head dams! And give them distance when you're swimming
I loved you mentioned Ryan's website at the end! that was wholesome
Yeah, no problem. Thanks for watching!
@@MrDeified Yes thank you! I do appreciate it!
@@ryanosmun3555 so thankful you survived and are thriving. Much love to you 🖤✌
Wow, may they rest in peace. Excellent video Mr. Defied, your videos are scary detailed.
I appreciate that a lot :)
Deified, not defied. They mean very different (almost opposite) things, lol
Differential Pressure, aka Delta P is a frightening phenomenon. As soon as you said the first victim was stuck against the sluice gate I knew there was going to be multiple fatalities. :(
Delta P is my rapper name
Hi there.
I just found your channel, and I love it already. I am an experienced caver myself, and your understanding of caves and equipments is quite good. Your videos are intelligent and well-presented. I really suggest you to look up some of the hungarian cases, I hope you can find information in English. I especially suggest the case of Zsolt Szilágyi, he is one of the most well-know cave divers here.
can always count on hearing strange true accounts that I've never came across before when I tune in here! Thanks and keep up the great work, you will be up there with the best of creators in no time and I'm happy I discovered you long ago.👍
Up here "quick mud"' ( as opposed to quicksand ) can be very dangerous to get stuck in, due to how viscous it is.
Cambridge resident here. Those waters are extremely deadly many people drown in that river each year. most notably 2 teens that were bridge jumping and a cop that went in after them. More recently 2 women that were going down the river on a tube and went over one of the dams. some get sucked into the old waterways for mills that lined the river many many years ago others get sucked away when just trying to go up to their knees. never swim in the grand river or the speed river that meets up with the undertow is very powerful and will kill you. Also Cambridge and Kitchener are 2 different city’s. this particular dam runs beside water st in Cambridge
Dam!!
I get apprehensive and cautious near those filter grates, in shallow, filled with cristaline water, well maintained swimming pools, ..., let alone that horrible dam!!
That's nice of you to promote his business in the end btw!
All of your videos are fantastic I can’t stop watching them!!!
Both of these situations are my worst nightmares. The third would be sudden sink holes, because I've lived in places where they just appear and cars fall in and there just a hole in the road and I am not about that life.
Both of these stories are so suspenseful and emotional... what an amazing video. Excellent job
LOVE the survival stories, especially when there seems to be no hope!
"Never to be seen from again." Such a way with words
missed you deified, thank you for uploading after your long 12 days, hope your doing well🎉!
Awesome
……Hoping for another cave diving story soon.😊
Very soon!
Story 2 gave me a PTSD flashback of "127 Hours". 🤪 Lucky bastard. 😀 Jessika is a bona fide hero.
Another quality video 💯 you are really setting the pace on this genre of content
Glad you enjoy it! I appreciate the support :)
So relieved you ended on a story of someone making it!
I'm super confused why the kid was stuck in the dam, and they thought, ok go ahead and pull him out with the rescue diver RIGHT NEXT TO HIM. Like OFCOURSE they both got stuck in the dam. Why tf would you try to release the kid(the only thing stopping the rescue diver from being sucked in, obviously) before the rescue person WAS OUT OF HARMS WAY I just truly do not understand how a bunch of full grown adults thought THAT was the plan to go with?! Like I dropped out at 15 and got my GED, I'm Alaskan so I have general survival knowledge, but ive never been trained ive never been anyone who's super smart, and the second he said they pulled on the boy right when the rescue diver put the rope around him, I knew what would happen. How are police and trained rescue divers making such horrible decisions?!
Thank you once again for another fantastically put together video!
David is a true hero and I hope his family has found some peace! No doubt he was a great man! Quicksand has always been a fear of mine! Don’t hear many stories about it and this one was scary! Good job with the telling of both of these stories!
RIP
💔💔💔
Always take care before swimming in or crossing a natural water feature; identify hazards and know the terrain.
Could there have been another way to retrieve Mark’s body rather than diving to the sluice?
I’m ignorant in the workings of dams but could they have shut it off?
Excuse my ignorance.
You would think the sluce would be designed to completely shut off but obviously not in this situation .. crazy
wow - that underwater pressure seems to get ya every time! Great vids MrD.
When I was young I thought quicksand was going to be something I would always have to be careful of. Turns out, not one single event, until now. Tragic and great.
Thank you.
Me too 🤣
we were always being warned about blasting caps. I never saw one.
I had this concern too. I blame the princess bride.
I’ve also never had to stop drop and roll but if that days comes I’ll be so fucking ready.
I love your story telling skills MrD, you would be my choice to tell my rescue story. Mine isn't on the internet except maybe a short newspaper quip from long ago. My best friend and I required a helicopter rescue and afterwords we went back and took our rescuers(helitack guys) out to dinner in the best restaurant in the area, we were the first people they had rescued that had ever thanked them after the rescue itself and they had performed many rescues. Those are the true heroes, not sports or entertainment stars and deserve rewards!.
I’m from Cambridge Ontario and heard ab this incident. Gave me shivers hearing ab this as a kid. Can’t believe this popped up on my feed randomly
Hi ya! I don't know how I missed this episode. Two very scary stories. Thank you MrDeified ☆
RIP Mark and David ☆
There you are! Glad you're back
I definitely subscribed to you. You give so many details and are super respectful of the people in your stories. I've binged on your videos while working lol.
Also, I may have to start being nice to the like button after treating it so horribly under the instructions of MrBallen. You've convinced me to give the Like button a break.
I'm used to hearing about everyone dying in these disaster videos, so I'm really glad Ryan and Jessika made it.
This is crazy! I grew up on the Mississippi River near a dam and everyone knew NOT to swim, dive, etc near the dam. It’s extremely dangerous! We would usually boat and swim down river from the dam-some people went up river-either way was safe. But no one boated, went swimming or diving near it unless they were trying to die. 😳
Usually its the people from other place do that. The locals know better and avoid the place.
@@travelerforever8849 You’re right. Good point!
first story takes place in Cambridge ontario... not Kitchener. but good job. nice to see a local story from my area being told on a platform like this.
Excellent channel, tragic subjects, but so fascinating!!!🙏😢🤿❣️
Welp, wasn’t expecting to hear my hometown of Kitchener in this. I’ve never heard of this case.
Also, Parkhill Dam is in Cambridge, not Kitchener, we’re considered the tri-cities with Waterloo but they are very distinct cities. This is like right smack downtown Cambridge, and it’s also where they film the Handmaid’s tale and the retaining further along was used for filming the hanging bodies scene in the first season. Just gives it an extra dark spin to me😬
In my lifetime I’ve never heard of or seen anyone going near the dam in the water recreationally, that’s insane to me that people did that in the past. I’m assuming this case has a lot to do with that. I was always raised to be wary of dams but my father is a diver so I was taught a lot of water safety. This is also our only large “free” body of water around so it does get used a lot recreationally to this day.
The first one was chilling. The second one was incredible the way they saved each other's life.
The first one made me kinda mad... Sorry for the family but the body of the guy got himself stuck on the dam should have been left there or until it was safe to get the remains. it's a shame the rescuer trying to get the body passed away too because of the foolish actions of someone
The diver also should have known about the risks of delta P and not done it. It was hubris.
One time when I was a middle-schooler I was playing with a friend out in the woods near the bay in my town in west coast Florida. We were running around like kids do and I jumped across this small creek to the other side and was *instantly* up to my waist in the sand. I did try to pull myself up on instinct at first but it didn't work and I yelled for my friend who came and pulled me out. My jeans were soaked and full of sand so, it being Florida and not a populated area we were in, I took them off and washed them off in the water of the bay and set them over a tree limb to dry in the heat and sun. We sat and bonded more as we waited. It ended up being a good memory for me but it started out SO scary! I never ever did that again. Lol! 😅
Very tragic case! So sad when the rescuers end up in a bad situation...
Those two kids at the beginning were smart. That's rare.
Thought the same thing, critical thinking from kids is nice
7:59 8:05 9:59 Oh jeez that was quite an incident. RIP. 😔
Thanks for including his photography website!
Serious question that will seem like a criticism but I'm genuinely asking - When you describe things about what the people involved in these stories are thinking and feeling, have you drawn it from some source or are you adding it for dramatic effect? How much editorializing do you do?
I went on a 2 weeks trip to Scotland UK and the weather there can be so violent!! I don't think I came as prepared as I should've and we're talking it was a July as well! One day we ended up in a camp site in a horrible storm. They had black houses as bathroom, toilets and another black house where you could go and socialise and put a fire on and talk to other campers. We met some campers in the social black house and my partner got me a really lovely gin for my birthday few days before, since we all were out of a drink I decided to go to our tent to get the gin in that really bad storm. When I approached our tent I have slipped into a ditch (basically because of the weather in Scotland some camp sites dig out a ditch around each set up tent site and I had slipped into one it and it was literally pulling me in just like a quick sand would do. I have managed to grab the tent we've set up and held onto it and managed to pull myself back out. I literally thought I was going to die in such a stormy rainy windy weather in the dark on my own. Thank you tent. When I managed to pull myself out I was covered in mud up to my chest 😮
Never getting in trouble? Constantly breaking the no trespass laws at the dam is trouble. Sad but true. 🙏
Would it have been possible for the rescuers to somehow get David another tank of air or get him anything at all tht could help him breath while they worked to get him out???
these were such sad endings for those good lives.
RIP to the lost💔
You'd think so. That'd be awful to die like that 😕
@@toscadonna 1st thought as well. Could the sluice have not had a door to shut? Idk enough about dam construction
I like how in these diving stories thediver seems to be a down right saint before something bad happens. Its never a guy who sells drugs or etc
Well it takes a certain kind of person to be a selfless rescuer willing to risk their lives.
Duhh .. drug dealers have real issues to handle that don't include these kinds of activities. Same w black ppl.. u can't PAY us to go cave diving, surfing, mountain climbing etc...
Reminds me of the Spokane waterfront park dam. Tons of people kayak near it but there's a rope and sign saying if you row past this point, you will die.
My mother grew up in kitchener and she told me about the dam story when I was younger.
Good video that's basically what happened.
when youre extremities are freezing, you feel no pain in them. i know because as a kid, while sledding in the snow, i was impaled by a railroad spike in my right thigh. i had no clue a 6 inch long, 1 inch wide iron spike was fully in to my upper thigh. not until i got home & my mom tried to remove my snowsuit was it discovered.
Excellent content
Thank you!
Cheers from Ontario 🇨🇦.
So much loss because a child just wasn't aware of the danger.....so sad...
My guys Mark and David got Delta-P'd!
Once it's got ya, it got ya!
I'm sure I don't understand how the dam and sleuss system works, but it would seem to me like they could just turn the sleuss off?
I'm trying to comprehend the immense pressure of the water but my mind is limited. 😫
Both sounded horrifying. I'll be careful just walking out the door. Lol
David, im sorry they didnt have better control of the situation, if I saw somebody getting sucked into a dam, there's no way on this good Green earth im jumping in behind them. A true hero indeed. Rip.
At first my brain was like "He's gonna get pulled in half with quicksand!" *Gives a violent pic of a person being quicksand ripped*
Me/mouth: Why are we like this?"
Continues listening
I'm so fucking glad both of them made it okay!
Mark never gets into trouble, but when he does...
Did you render the 3d scene on a playstation? This kind of floating errors are hard to replicate
Glad Ryan made it out. 🙏
I often wonder what makes people do these things,how can it possibly be enjoyable.
It makes good watching though.
@Mrdeified you might look into the situation 50yrs ago in Duluth Minnesota where the 3 boys died, and a rescuer also passed while trying to retrieve the bodies. Those were my dads best friends growing up and he happened to not be playing the "race the waves" game that day. I have direct knowledge and articles if you're interested
(You can find some on it if you look up the brothers- Nathan Halverson, 17, and twins Eric and Arthur Halverson, 16)
They’ve found when people are buried in grain (like corn), that they can place something like a thick tube around the person stuck, and then all you have to scoop is the material in the tube from around the person. This frees the person. I think this same idea would work for quick sand as well, or sand.
As long as you can get the thick tube around the person to help protect them from the material refilling around them, you can save them. Possibly.
The other thing is, sometimes the material is heavy. Corn can suffocate a victim, same with sand, mud and these other materials. The object is to keep the person above the level of the material so they can breathe.
I like when the video ends on a good note. 👍 😅
Great video.
Thanks for the visit
@@MrDeified Thanks for the show 👍
I almost had to cross a river at 6pm in the summer under gray skies. Glad I walked on the log bridge.
Why didn't they stop the dam water!!!
i was looking into hiking subway next week. nevermind, i’m all set now
This was a special case but I'm glad you are able to think about it more.
It’s always interesting to me when a friend goes missing and they assume they just went home??? I would never just go home without telling the people I came with.
Wow jessiKa
Came through.
Rescuers knows the risks in their job that’s what makes them a hero
After 3 days what did they do that suddenly got officer David out that couldn’t have been done sooner?