If Alicia hadn't fallen, it would have been the best routine I'd had seen her do. All her other elements seemed a lot better than I've seen at the Visa Championships and Olympic trials. I still love Alicia, she's a lovely gymnast.
I remember watching the Olympics and just feeling so bad for Alicia.You could just see it in her face how bad she felt even though she had a pretty stoic mask on.
I really do wish Chellsie hadn't been injured, she's one of the most solid beam workers I've seen when she's healthy... really would have helped the team
Well, I think she gets a lot of recognition because she's Olympic all-around champion. It's the most prestigious title in the sport (and she earned it - she performed well that day in a relatively weak field). I've never really paid attention to her out-of-competition persona but her recent push through to the Olympic Trials will always baffle me. And I agree that her gymnastic mistakes were obvious and abundant and often not accounted for in her scores. Her leg separations always killed me.
Documented reports were that the wait was very unusual. In fact, a friend who reported on the Olympics for a European station said that the wait was the talk of the day. Alicia was not waiting for the Chinese score - the Chinese had been scored and the US were given a separate warm-up before their set (look at part 8 of the video). Then Alicia was given a signal to mount the podium but not given the go ahead to begin for several minutes.
On the subject of Shawn's leaps... it drives me crazy! Like this announcer said she doesn't always complete the 180 degree angle... BUT... I've seen the stills of her leaps. She pretty much always has them at the correct angle. I think it's just harder to spot cause she's so darn short she doesn't get as much air time. She has to be very quick about it.
Realistically there's no denying Nastia's shortcomings, try as her fangirls (and Marta Karolyi) might. She's always been very posey rather than fluid in her dance and she has been overscored a lot (especially on bars). She did perform her skills solidly and with confidence, though, even though her form left a lot to be desired. She's never come across as arrogant or indignant in competition, though - just very, very focused.
I dont understand why everybody thinks americans always are overscore, any are a gymnastics judge. I am, and you dont know how hard is get to a olympic judge level, you have study days and nights, you test ovet test. You have to memorize every inch of each difficulty. And youhave to sign a contract pleadging you are not going to favor an especific gymnast. Thats why always the highest and the lowest scores are eliminated in order to be fair a much as you can. hajj expectators thinking are expert
lolz, the commentator was so funny when commenting on Alicia's fall, he sounded like he was singing! I feel so sorry for Alicia though... she was consistent and hadn't messed up for months, she was unlucky to mess up in the olympics and not in the smaller competitions.
If I was Marta, I would have made the lineup Johnson, Liukin, Sacramone or Johnson, Sacramone, Liukin because Shawn and Nastia usually hits her routine and that would have taken some of the pressure off of Alicia.
@Stonymypony no they could not have there is a video online with john macready saying if alicia had hit her beam routine and scored same as johnson on floor (15.425 ??) and all girls stayed in bounds they still would be trailing by quite a bit
Actually, more people liked her than they liked Shawn Johnson. no one hates her. Now she is said to be the most decorated American gymnast (not true). Both she and Shawn got around the same number of medals yet now everyone loves Nastia and Shawn has been put into the background.
American fans shouldn't complain. In fact, Sac got a generous score because she got the same score as what Fei got. Both Fei and Sac have falls, but Fei has better form and line. Sac completely lost her concentration after her fall. The rest of her beam routine was so choppy. Clearly she just tried to finish it.
Alicia was forced to wait on the podium for several minutes, Marta Karolyi was livid with the judges. Imagine being alone up there for a few minutes, that would get in anyone's head. Alicia might be a nervous gymnast, but they should all be subject to the same timing.
Wow, you totally read my mind! (Does the sarcasm comes through?) I clearly said below this was AC's fault, but fairness dictates athletes should be subject to the same conditions. In fact I have no idea why there was a delay, some reports say it was due to a US tv request. But it was NOT because judges were discussing the previous score as you said. I originally posted here b/c of all the mean comments about AC, not because China won. They were rock solid. Coming to you from biased Japan.
You can't really compare Shawn and Nastia. They both have completely different technique and form. Nastia has amazing exhibition her fluidity and elegance defines her gymnastics whereas Shawn has a bit more dynamic power. Nastia shows what gymnastics should look like, graceful and light, she seriously floats and dances in each apparatus. Nastia is better than Shawn IMO but they're both incredible gymnasts.
@AshaMcGuiness Not really. She had the same deductions as Cheng Fei so the teams are even right now. On the floor, even had Alicia not sat down, both Shawn and Nastia stepped out of bounds and received deductions as well. The Chinese had no such deductions, plus they had higher difficulty starting values (for most of the apparatuses as well). So the Chinese would have outscored the Americans anyways. Check the final score: 188.9 vs 186.525. More than 2 pts. Alicia can't do that by herself.
this seems to happen a lot to the US where they are just so excited they mess up (e.g. 2004 and 2000) however, its not fair to Alicia for everyone to be hating on her. even w/o her falls the US still would've had their asses handed to them by the Chinese. They were spot on in these olympics and they also deserve the gold they won.
Actually Nastia has better exhibition but. Also, Nastia was in the zone a lot and didn't smile a whole ton because she was focused which she got flack for. AA Champion anyway ;)
I think she got the recognition before she become Olympic AA champion where she was overscored as usual. The annoying thing about being overscored is that gymnasts who are worthy are often pushed out of the way in favour of her. I just hate her form and I hate the fact that no one ever picks up on it or deducts her for it.
Long waits do happen time to time, but to my knowledge this was the only delay of any female athlete in any finals. To be sure this was Alicia's fault, but it does not negate the notion that athletes should all compete under the same conditions - surely cannot disagree with that.
while i maintain that it is NOT all alicia's fault for the usas lost china clearly had more difficulty however i also maintain that a healthy chellsie would have done beam instead of alicia if for no other reason than alicia has a bit of a reputation for mental weakness and chellsie is more of a rock no disrespect meant at ALL
ok people do you see why china wanted young gymnast on it team...because young gymnast tend to have less nerves then those with a bunch of experience....sacromone and cheng fei had falls and they are the most experienced
Personally, most of my gripes with Nastia is over her gymnastics. I don't understand why she gets so much recognition. It's unfair. Unfortunately, society doesn't tend to like people who seems like they're getting a leg up over others when they are seemly undeserved. Frankly, I do think she's a tad full of herself because of how others have built her up, but regardless of her persona, what irks me the most is the oversight of her GYMNASTIC mistakes. Form breaks, leg separation, posey dance etc.
Alicia is such a drama queen. She gets so upset when things dont go her way. Clearly it's upsetting to fall at the olympics, but even at 2007 worlds when Shawn beats her on floor, she gets super pissy and all sportsmanship goes out the window. She plays this wonderful team-motivator-optimistic-mother-figure when everything goes her way, and turns bitch mode when something goes wrong. Doesn't get more 2faced than that. It's also the exact attitude Ive experienced when competing against Brestyans.
I will say, from watching the earlier parts of this meet, Alicia did not look focused. She looked like she was partying on the side. She really should have been meditating before she went up.
Alicia could have pulled through, BUT she's competing in front of the whole world with her country wanting to see a gold team medal. You try doing that! I can guarantee it's stressful to the extreme. The wait was unusual, and I don't understand at all why people are angry at peejes for pointing that out, especially with a logical argument! I don't know what happened, but still, if this had happened to a Chinese gymnast in America, I would be suspicious! And China would probably have won anyway
I think Nastia gets a lot more credit than she deserves. She's not as graceful or elegant as people make her out to be and she's quite often overscored. US gymnastics also play favourites with her. I'm not sure if it's her name or maybe she's just able to charm people.
I think it's very irritating how people think they know what anyone on the us team is thinking after they see their score, they want to win of course they want high scores! It doesn't mean they think that they should always get high scores because they deserve it! you assume WAY too much!
NO WAY should Deng LinLin score the same as Nastia and Shawn!!!!!!! Deng had big wobbles and not the same immaculate form as Nastia or ridiculous acrobatics as Shawn!!
Sacramone was amazing despite her fall and uneven splits. It takes dedication and focus to come back from such a disaster. Nastia's form is perfect. Her mount was unique, her spin clean and her flexibility astounding. Beam is one of her best. Izbasa was pretty good too, some minor mistakes. But nothing serious. :) Shawn is amazing as well. She deserved her gold beam in individual. I love both her's and Liukin's low bar routines. :)
@babylishee are you kidding me? Nastia's even said before that she looks so serious in competitions because she's concentrating...she's probably just trying to focus on her next event. I don't understand why people are so nasty about the American gymnasts.
very stupid what u said !!! You try do it !! she felt and she continues her routine and very well!! I'm not an American fan at all but i recognize a good job!!! She felt but the rest of her beam routine were superbe under this pressure!! U just don't konw what u said and for that i forgive you...
peejes: You're one of those American fans who always finds execuses for u.s. team's loss. Yang Wei and several other Chinese male gymnasts waited long time to start their routines and their fans didn't complain! Some american fans even questioned about floor size. Come on, if most mens can stay in, why American girls cannot? Of is it because they are too big? besides, all equipments have to be approved by IOC!! Disgusting don't-blame-me behaviour!
Russiangymfan: your comments are what is disgusting. I only pointed out a fact that no one could reasonably disagree with, and you digress into lame America-bashing and stereotypes.
The first gyyymnast from the USAAAAAAAh
+Alicia Dupres I had to replay that part like 4 times. So funny!
Sad for Alicia though, obviously.
He was like singing it xD
Shawn Johnson's balance beam routine... WOW.
who is watching this in 2017??? Still impressed by Yang Yilin
"USA Goodness me"... These BBC commentators are so much fun! They are part of the show!
Izbasa is so lovely to watch!
Omg, I love this female commentator.
Este canal de televisión tiene EXCELENTES COMENTARISTAS DEPORTIVOS.
alicia's routine was pretty solid after the fall. you have to give it to her for having such a good comeback :)
Absolutely Love Sandra Izbasa's floor music!!
i can't wait for their london commentary!
Did the commentator just sing "First Gymnast of the USA"?
Yes I know he was probably reacting...but it sounded like he was singing!!!
Crazy that a 15.1 was considered low back then 😅
People were able to do amazing things back then!
Oh Shawn Johnson :D Amazing.
Shawn does the BEST turn on beam EVER!!!!!!!!!
Shawn's was superb as well!
If Alicia hadn't fallen, it would have been the best routine I'd had seen her do. All her other elements seemed a lot better than I've seen at the Visa Championships and Olympic trials.
I still love Alicia, she's a lovely gymnast.
I remember watching the Olympics and just feeling so bad for Alicia.You could just see it in her face how bad she felt even though she had a pretty stoic mask on.
I really do wish Chellsie hadn't been injured, she's one of the most solid beam workers I've seen when she's healthy... really would have helped the team
Well, I think she gets a lot of recognition because she's Olympic all-around champion. It's the most prestigious title in the sport (and she earned it - she performed well that day in a relatively weak field). I've never really paid attention to her out-of-competition persona but her recent push through to the Olympic Trials will always baffle me. And I agree that her gymnastic mistakes were obvious and abundant and often not accounted for in her scores. Her leg separations always killed me.
Documented reports were that the wait was very unusual. In fact, a friend who reported on the Olympics for a European station said that the wait was the talk of the day. Alicia was not waiting for the Chinese score - the Chinese had been scored and the US were given a separate warm-up before their set (look at part 8 of the video). Then Alicia was given a signal to mount the podium but not given the go ahead to begin for several minutes.
On the subject of Shawn's leaps... it drives me crazy! Like this announcer said she doesn't always complete the 180 degree angle... BUT... I've seen the stills of her leaps. She pretty much always has them at the correct angle. I think it's just harder to spot cause she's so darn short she doesn't get as much air time. She has to be very quick about it.
Okay so im not the biggest fan of the USA gymnastics team but shawn johnson is just the sweetest thing!!
Realistically there's no denying Nastia's shortcomings, try as her fangirls (and Marta Karolyi) might. She's always been very posey rather than fluid in her dance and she has been overscored a lot (especially on bars). She did perform her skills solidly and with confidence, though, even though her form left a lot to be desired. She's never come across as arrogant or indignant in competition, though - just very, very focused.
I forgot how excellent Nastia's beam routine was during the team final!
it's from something called moje filmy, which i assume is a romanian film but i'm willing to be proven wrong. the song is called Taniec Eleny.
I dont understand why everybody thinks americans always are overscore, any are a gymnastics judge. I am, and you dont know how hard is get to a olympic judge level, you have study days and nights, you test ovet test. You have to memorize every inch of each difficulty. And youhave to sign a contract pleadging you are not going to favor an especific gymnast. Thats why always the highest and the lowest scores are eliminated in order to be fair a much as you can. hajj expectators thinking are expert
I love Alicia. She's my favorite. I feel sorry for her. It's not her fault that the us lost the gold. At least she qualified for the vault finals.
lolz, the commentator was so funny when commenting on Alicia's fall, he sounded like he was singing! I feel so sorry for Alicia though... she was consistent and hadn't messed up for months, she was unlucky to mess up in the olympics and not in the smaller competitions.
I love Alicia's front pike, one of the only ones that is actually a pike all the way through
If I was Marta, I would have made the lineup Johnson, Liukin, Sacramone or Johnson, Sacramone, Liukin because Shawn and Nastia usually hits her routine and that would have taken some of the pressure off of Alicia.
@Stonymypony no they could not have there is a video online with john macready saying if alicia had hit her beam routine and scored same as johnson on floor (15.425 ??) and all girls stayed in bounds they still would be trailing by quite a bit
nastia is amazing on beam!!!
Actually, more people liked her than they liked Shawn Johnson. no one hates her. Now she is said to be the most decorated American gymnast (not true). Both she and Shawn got around the same number of medals yet now everyone loves Nastia and Shawn has been put into the background.
American fans shouldn't complain. In fact, Sac got a generous score because she got the same score as what Fei got. Both Fei and Sac have falls, but Fei has better form and line. Sac completely lost her concentration after her fall. The rest of her beam routine was so choppy. Clearly she just tried to finish it.
Alicia was forced to wait on the podium for several minutes, Marta Karolyi was livid with the judges. Imagine being alone up there for a few minutes, that would get in anyone's head. Alicia might be a nervous gymnast, but they should all be subject to the same timing.
No matter if USA did perfect or not, to win gold. I just hope they have good times being the Olympic, and that this is amusingly good.
Wow, you totally read my mind! (Does the sarcasm comes through?) I clearly said below this was AC's fault, but fairness dictates athletes should be subject to the same conditions. In fact I have no idea why there was a delay, some reports say it was due to a US tv request. But it was NOT because judges were discussing the previous score as you said.
I originally posted here b/c of all the mean comments about AC, not because China won. They were rock solid.
Coming to you from biased Japan.
Unfortunate that Chelsea Memmel was injured. I think she would have done a great job on beam.
Shawn is pretty good at the beam! Most gymnast are not very good at beam nor like it!
You can't really compare Shawn and Nastia. They both have completely different technique and form. Nastia has amazing exhibition her fluidity and elegance defines her gymnastics whereas Shawn has a bit more dynamic power. Nastia shows what gymnastics should look like, graceful and light, she seriously floats and dances in each apparatus. Nastia is better than Shawn IMO but they're both incredible gymnasts.
@AshaMcGuiness Not really. She had the same deductions as Cheng Fei so the teams are even right now. On the floor, even had Alicia not sat down, both Shawn and Nastia stepped out of bounds and received deductions as well. The Chinese had no such deductions, plus they had higher difficulty starting values (for most of the apparatuses as well). So the Chinese would have outscored the Americans anyways. Check the final score: 188.9 vs 186.525. More than 2 pts. Alicia can't do that by herself.
this seems to happen a lot to the US where they are just so excited they mess up (e.g. 2004 and 2000) however, its not fair to Alicia for everyone to be hating on her. even w/o her falls the US still would've had their asses handed to them by the Chinese. They were spot on in these olympics and they also deserve the gold they won.
Actually Nastia has better exhibition but. Also, Nastia was in the zone a lot and didn't smile a whole ton because she was focused which she got flack for. AA Champion anyway ;)
To put into perspective, ASac would've medal-ed w.o falling & not wobbling on her turn! Could've easily gotten into the 16s!
@X3ishere she was injured and she did admit it
but in gymnastics you're just supposed to suck it up
If she didn't have that wobble, her difficulty would be 7.2, higher than Shawn and Shanshan... she's great on beam.
I feel so much for Alicia :-( X
OMG the female commentator keeps saying superb after every turn with leg at horizontal ( shawn johnsons and nastias)
I think she got the recognition before she become Olympic AA champion where she was overscored as usual. The annoying thing about being overscored is that gymnasts who are worthy are often pushed out of the way in favour of her. I just hate her form and I hate the fact that no one ever picks up on it or deducts her for it.
Long waits do happen time to time, but to my knowledge this was the only delay of any female athlete in any finals. To be sure this was Alicia's fault, but it does not negate the notion that athletes should all compete under the same conditions - surely cannot disagree with that.
everyone just shut up about alicia! she tried her best, and no one is more upset than her that she messed up
i love alicia, but basicly, it kinda was her fault that america didn't get gold. i still love her though!, and shawn's my fave from the american team.
while i maintain that it is NOT all alicia's fault for the usas lost china clearly had more difficulty however i also maintain that a healthy chellsie would have done beam instead of alicia if for no other reason than alicia has a bit of a reputation for mental weakness and chellsie is more of a rock no disrespect meant at ALL
ok people do you see why china wanted young gymnast on it team...because young gymnast tend to have less nerves then those with a bunch of experience....sacromone and cheng fei had falls and they are the most experienced
i wish they had had sam peszek compete instead of alicia...not that shes bad but sam was so consistent and had so much difficulty
Personally, most of my gripes with Nastia is over her gymnastics. I don't understand why she gets so much recognition. It's unfair. Unfortunately, society doesn't tend to like people who seems like they're getting a leg up over others when they are seemly undeserved. Frankly, I do think she's a tad full of herself because of how others have built her up, but regardless of her persona, what irks me the most is the oversight of her GYMNASTIC mistakes. Form breaks, leg separation, posey dance etc.
Everyone messes up on beam. Look at Rebecca Bross at 2010 worlds
@lyssie74 Yeah, but Sam was injured and could only compete on Bars :)
Alicia is such a drama queen. She gets so upset when things dont go her way. Clearly it's upsetting to fall at the olympics, but even at 2007 worlds when Shawn beats her on floor, she gets super pissy and all sportsmanship goes out the window. She plays this wonderful team-motivator-optimistic-mother-figure when everything goes her way, and turns bitch mode when something goes wrong. Doesn't get more 2faced than that. It's also the exact attitude Ive experienced when competing against Brestyans.
Nastia is simply a beast on the beam I LOVE HER :) Shawn Johnson not to be fucked with :) USA IN THE HOUSE
i understand what you mean but even if alica didnt fall off beam or sat down china would of still gotten gold
I will say, from watching the earlier parts of this meet, Alicia did not look focused. She looked like she was partying on the side. She really should have been meditating before she went up.
I think it's just the accent coming into it as well lol
0:10 his trembling voice, lol
@anoique you should have seen the 96 olympics was even worse for the gymnasts
I know she's so lovely, isn't she?
Alicia could have pulled through, BUT she's competing in front of the whole world with her country wanting to see a gold team medal. You try doing that! I can guarantee it's stressful to the extreme.
The wait was unusual, and I don't understand at all why people are angry at peejes for pointing that out, especially with a logical argument!
I don't know what happened, but still, if this had happened to a Chinese gymnast in America, I would be suspicious!
And China would probably have won anyway
I think Nastia gets a lot more credit than she deserves. She's not as graceful or elegant as people make her out to be and she's quite often overscored. US gymnastics also play favourites with her. I'm not sure if it's her name or maybe she's just able to charm people.
I love Nastia but it kinda creeps me out how he legs bend like a rubber band. :)
I am not blaming Alicia or anything but could the U.S have won if she didn't mess up?
I think it's very irritating how people think they know what anyone on the us team is thinking after they see their score, they want to win of course they want high scores! It doesn't mean they think that they should always get high scores because they deserve it! you assume WAY too much!
Shawn Johnson is waaay better than Nastia Luikin. Shawn's routines are more aesthetic.
how dare you they are brilliant gymnasts just because alica fell on beam doesnt give u permissiion to go saying their bad when there clearly not!!!!!
NO WAY should Deng LinLin score the same as Nastia and Shawn!!!!!!!
Deng had big wobbles and not the same immaculate form as Nastia or ridiculous acrobatics as Shawn!!
Sacramone was amazing despite her fall and uneven splits. It takes dedication and focus to come back from such a disaster.
Nastia's form is perfect. Her mount was unique, her spin clean and her flexibility astounding. Beam is one of her best.
Izbasa was pretty good too, some minor mistakes. But nothing serious. :)
Shawn is amazing as well. She deserved her gold beam in individual. I love both her's and Liukin's low bar routines. :)
Is it me or does the female commentator sound like a robot?
@babylishee are you kidding me? Nastia's even said before that she looks so serious in competitions because she's concentrating...she's probably just trying to focus on her next event. I don't understand why people are so nasty about the American gymnasts.
friggin cost the gold the entire time....oh well
Marta may have pinched Dominique hard but not there with Alicia
the female commentator doesnt need to comment on EVERYTHING
completely ruins nastia's performance,
it's just so funny she fell the second she got on. well....never liked sacramone anyway
Us could've won the team final if Alicia didn't fall off
Catherine Nguyen no
Sacramone failed billa big time lol
very stupid what u said !!! You try do it !! she felt and she continues her routine and very well!! I'm not an American fan at all but i recognize a good job!!! She felt but the rest of her beam routine were superbe under this pressure!! U just don't konw what u said and for that i forgive you...
American team has such bad luck...
@BetsieBoob if they made a gymnastics movie shawn should not be in it i saw her on secret life and she is not that good at acting hahahhaa
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peejes: You're one of those American fans who always finds execuses for u.s. team's loss. Yang Wei and several other Chinese male gymnasts waited long time to start their routines and their fans didn't complain! Some american fans even questioned about floor size. Come on, if most mens can stay in, why American girls cannot? Of is it because they are too big? besides, all equipments have to be approved by IOC!! Disgusting don't-blame-me behaviour!
AHHAHAHAHAHAH USA ... Gymnastics its not for you. go play baseball
Russiangymfan: your comments are what is disgusting. I only pointed out a fact that no one could reasonably disagree with, and you digress into lame America-bashing and stereotypes.
WHO DID A BETTER ROUTINE THAN HER? THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.... NO ONE......