@@benjaminramsey498 an unpopular opinion if u think astroworld was the 1st festival this happened at bruh u need rethink ur whole life lol. Like u really do
Kris Jenner used Travis as a pawn she used a snipper at gun point if he stop she would've off him I read Travis natal chart & Kris Jenner natal chart broooooo she was amped up that night on a spiritual as well she is a evil witch their are wayyyyy more bodies the media lying & Travis was having a Saturn return
As a Travis Scott fan I’ve always questioned why he takes the “rage” so serious like it started off so cool to me as an energy thing but he really does get a kick out of people “surviving” a Travis Scott show and I just think it’s finally caught up to him.
Travis aside, I really hope that organizers will take note of this incident and prevent crowd surges from ever happening again. Slowly dying at the concert of your favourite artist seems like one of the saddest deaths possible.
@@sontho6995 That's cause I deleted my old videos a couple months ago. I mostly just comment sometimes right now until I motivate myself to switch up content on my channel.
Crazy to see how small this world is, Franco was a student at my school, university of dayton. They have bedsheets hanging from houses with messages of remembrance of him. He was in a fraternity too and everyone know that group is hurting badly. He was the second student from UD to pass this week. RIP Franco
Hey there, I think you mean “fraternity” instead of “paternity.” Just wanna suggest that little edit there for you. Hope you’re coping well with the loss. Take care.
he is literally just inviting people to take part of his experience in making and performing his music. his job is to create and entertain. and its his mangement and the festival producers job to make sure the fans are safe. its insane how people like yall will say some retarded wannabe poetic shit like that and then ppl will be like omg thats well said like stfu no it isn't. yall aint helping nobody by just making shit up. Travis has been doing all types of things to give back to his community and fans. and to say that he just uses people as props is just ignorant and disrespectful both to Travis and his fans smh
@@notoriouslynch607 tbf he's known to incite fence jumping and breaking in to shows and has even been arrested for it before and he encouraged the same for this show
One of the worst things to me is the people blaming the 14 year old or his parents for letting him go to the show. If the show allows minors, it’s their responsibility to keep that shit under control!!! If you can’t provide a safe environment for everyone, change the age limits!
@@christiana5453 I would of disagreed but at the end of the day his parents could of been old like mine and don’t know who Travis Scott is and what he stands for
Parents of the 9 year old who unfortunately passed away and parents of other young teens it my humble opinion are fully accountable you should have done research for the safety of your child... if i was in that parents shoes with the 9 year old... i would have done that... hell if i went to the show and before it even starts i see drugged up idol worshippers with no self control stomping on each other i would have turned around... mosh pits.. raging... the wall of death... is extremely dangerous thats just common sense if security cant fend off that many people being understaffed what you think you gonna do as one person while protecting a 9 year old... come on now... i dont care what age a venue says its for... if i know people are moshing and drugged up i know its not gonna be safe ill take my 9 year old to a theme park
@@CasualSweatx dude if you go to a theme park, and the roller coaster is rickety, rusty, and looks suspiciously weathered or damage, maybe it’s not the smart thing to ride it, but is it your legal responsibility to ensure the safety of the rides you get on? Hell no! The liability falls on the provider of the ride. The parent probably didn’t know about the moshing and drugging until they were in too deep. It doesn’t matter if it was dumb or not, it’s the responsibility of the event coordinators and hosts to protect their patrons! Why would we have age restrictions on clubs, restaurants, or movies when people could just “do their research” instead? That’s the whole point of age restrictions… to establish what scenario might be a safe environment for what age group… obviously Travis Scott and his crew greatly failed
I was on the left side waiting for Travis for 3 hours in the front. I had realized that the barricade set us up in a cage but I didn’t think much of it until an hour before the music. I had tried to make my way out but it was so packed that no one could move out of the way even if they had wanted to. Eventually I made it 5 yards backwards in AN HOUR. In my new position I was still in the cage but it was still TIGHTLY packed. I fell and was on the ground for 20 minutes, thankfully the people around me helped me out. From my perspective the barricade placement left no room for pressure to dissipate thus causing the crowd surge to cause all that harm. I cannot stress how packed it was.
I was always a fan of his music, but never him as a person. He just always struck me as a questionable person. I remember one time when somebody asked Denzel curry if he’d work with Travis Scott, and he said something along the lines of “nah. His energy is funky”. I thought it was just me who was put off by Travis, but that made me realize that my hesitancy wasn’t just in my head.
I agree, I thought his music was pretty fun and enjoyable. But once I saw the documentary on Netflix it felt like he was acting like a character of himself. He just felt very off and like he'd be the type of person to not care what happens as long as he gets hyped.
I remember this one video of him kicking somebody off the stage and he did it so condescendingly and after that I always assumed he was somewhat of an ass. Whenever somebody talk about sacrifices I don’t bat my eye to it but this time it seems real
Shawn, your use of the word “Primal” was excellent. It seems like Travis goes for very low hanging fruit to obtain gratification. It’s easy to get people lit. It’s easy to hurt people, but it’s way harder to heal. I hope Travis learns that from all this.
@@firstlast9846 I’m not gonna support someone who has no compassion for life I don’t care about your troll comment I can’t do anything else but voice my opinion but whatever internet is so toxic I can’t say anything without it being turned into some negative shit
i attended astrofest this year and it’s definitely left a significant mark on my life. falling down and not being able to get up was the most terrifying moment of my life because i knew people around me weren’t there to save me, they were there for travis. i got out missing a shoe and bruised but seems like a blessing that’s all that happened to me. but with all this i don’t fully blame travis. i’m not riding bros meat i promise but the problem was the people that ARE . i saw psychos all over the festival that were there for the simple reason to “rage” but what i saw was people wearing mouthgards going around smacking people for the hell of it. the fans were to crazy. all humanity was lost as soon as he took the stage. people acted as if the purge was happening with not listening to security, jumping on ambulances, and leaving those down on the ground to suffer. people need to do better is my whole message here but as for travis i’m still not sure on my position . this is all still raw to me
Bro after all that how do you not FULLY blame travis wtf is you on? TRAVIS encourages this type of behavior bro wtf his whole persona is RAGE RAGE RAGE . he instills this type of mentality in his fans he hyped the crowd even more evry time he stopped the show like wtf do you like his music that much bro ?
Yeah it surprises me how much all you fans still somehow try not to blame Travis when he himself could have full blown stopped the show till everything got settled. You can’t use the excuse that this or that, because every time people have been posting shows of all types of bands from rock to hip hop, with artists from hardcore to pop, all who took the time to let their fans know what’s up with safety, even fking lil pump who sometimes we take as brain dead was able to stop some of this. The other thing is if you are like oh he couldn’t stop it because his fans are the crazy ones, who do you think influenced them? Was it the lady at the grocery store? No it was fking Travis who feeds and encourages this energy. He already has previous cases and counts of inciting this same thing, from a paralyzed fan to now dead fans. Y’all need to wake up and mature, life ain’t a game, it’s why things are placed to ensure safety, it’s why we have some rules and regulations, yes rage is cool and all but now you must realize that not everyone is on the same moral or ethical code, I grew up with cousins who wouldn’t flinch to stab me. Some people don’t give a fk about you, they feed off of that energy. Honestly y’all keep doing this but eventually when enough bodies pile up, I will stop having sympathy for y’all.
not really he's doing good. Besides the apology video he's already said he's giving everyone a refund for the show, he's paying for all the victims funerals and medical expenses, and he set up a free mental health counseling session for people traumatized. But yet all people wanna talk about is the apology video smh
I know Travis Scott doesn’t want to appear guilty but the humane thing to do would be to give a large lump sum to those families. He’ll recover one day. I’m learning that cancel culture is a myth if an artist has a hardcore fan base. There’s always going to be that group of people (unfortunately) who justifies anything their favorite celeb does. I’m not saying that the man should have been bawling but he seemed so detached and as if he just wiped the crust off his eyes. Ugh, at least I would have said “I will no longer encourage unsafe behavior at my concerts” or something. But once again, I guess he doesn’t want to assume any responsibility.
@@Owjo02 he has at LEAST 8 bodies on his hands, and he has a choice to take responsibility for it or not, if he gets backlash for not taking that responsibility (even if it’s for legal reasons) that’s still HIS choice and that shouldn’t dissuade anyone from shitting on him
@@dontpreorder2783 yes just come out and say I killed 8 people even though it’s not really my fault, send me to jail for 8 counts of murder 2 of which are minors. Just so I don’t get backlash, what a genius.
@@Owjo02 1. It definitely was partly his fault, if you don’t understand that then you’re just ignoring facts to shield Travis 2. I never said he killed those people, I said those deaths were on *his hands* (as in he’s responsible for the aftermath of that situation because he could’ve done something about it when it was happening but didn’t) 3. He’d be getting backlash regardless so idk what you’re talking about MY POINT is that saying “If he admits that he had a part to play in the loss of life then he’d go to jaaaaaaiiiil” doesn’t do anything I recognize that if he did say that he was partly responsible then he might go to jail, but it’s his fault he’s even in that position in the first place, so I feel no sympathy
Cancel culture has always been somewhat of a myth. All of these celebrities usually bounce back after saying/ doing something questionable. Look at Ellen. all those allegations of racism and ill treatment in the workplace, she got royally "cancelled" on the internet. All she had to do to fix it was hop back on set, say "i'm sorry" and give twitch a promotion and everything was fine. At the end of the day, Travis will still be making millions off of his current catalogue of music. Give it a few months and UTOPIA will be released, and it will sell at least 150k 1st week cos its Travis Scott. He'll be fine
I think the problem with Travis really just comes down to him being way too desensitized to his fans getting fucked up at his shows because it goes with the whole rager image and thats probably why he saw the ambulance and the passed out people and just kept going. He definitely should be held accountable for that and encouraging his fans to be fucking crazy and just disregard all the rules and everyone telling them to just sneak into the show. It is super irresponsible and he’s finally getting hit with that reality all of that finally reached a breaking point. I think in the moment he probably just thought he could keep the show going and the medics and security would just handle it but in the end they were really overwhelmed. It was a fuckfest everyone involved with setting it all up just did a terrible job
The fact that the names and faces, the situations this people went through are reduced to this man scratching his forehead over a black and white filter, is fucking insane. It's important to know what and WHY happened and knowledge what happened.
Kris Jenner used Travis as a pawn she used a snipper at gun point if he stop she would've off him I read Travis natal chart & Kris Jenner natal chart broooooo she was amped up that night on a spiritual as well she is a evil witch their are wayyyyy more bodies the media lying & Travis was having a Saturn return
@@xxinnamariana7507 sniper metaphor for Kris Jenner being the one pulling the strings .. How many times she silenced kanye for having breakthroughs sending doctors his way calling him crazy ... Where do u think the bandwagon of calling kanye crazy camed from she cab influence the social media outlets even her Natal chart says that ... She is the sniper that I spoke of , she was definitely at the show ...
@@rsyoutube9252 ik kanye isn't fully crazy, i got reamed on twitter for standing up for him. well travis still had to willingly sell his soul to even get Where he is in the first place, and the previous concerts he has didn't look too loving either. Frequencies can do all types of shit to a mass crowd of people.
I’ve listened to his music since birds and I’ve come to admire the guy and really look up to him. Ever since this happened, I kinda don’t look at him the same tbh. I know that he isn’t all at fault, but he should be hold accountable for not canceling the show. I know that he stopped it multiple times, but it come a point where you’ve stop the show so many times that maybe something else is happening. Rest In Peace to people who past away.
@@jacobelsenbrook1121 Maybe he didn't know that they were dying but he saw at least one of them carried out and the ambulances that must've made him think there was something wrong.
@@rainbowofsushi I get what you mean, but people seem to not realize that ambulances are normal at huge concerts like this, it’s still understandable in some sense that he’d not think it’s something that bad. I doubt anyone would’ve expected deaths at a concert where everyone wanted to have fun.
@@jacobelsenbrook1121 there's videos going around of unconscious bodies being carried to the stage and travis seeing them, ambulances and emts were there, not to mention the fact that just because 8 people died doesn't mean thousands of others weren't injured / passed out lol
@@keyringss totally but at the end of the day travis had no definitive idea of what was happening and I would imagine that he would think someone would notify him if people were dying
being a fan, the only thing i feel is guilt. maybe i’m wrong, but i can’t help but feel like us fans were feeding into it as well. it got to a point where passing out was normal at his shows, and we all got comfortable, travis included. i was personally never that crazy of a “rager”, but i enjoyed the thrill of moshing. after the recent events, it’s hard to feel that way anymore. everything just feels dirty. it feels wrong to listen to his music or wear his merch after how he handled this whole situation. i just hope he takes some time to really think of how to handle it properly. i also hope that everyone involved, including travis himself, get the help they need. i can only imagine the mental toll this is taking on everyone. travis is at fault no doubt, as well as everyone else involved in organizing the festival. it’s unfortunate bc i really don’t feel like he’s that terrible of a person. he’s involved in a quite a bit of charitable causes. it’s just hard to look at that now, knowing that lives were lost over little things that were so easily avoidable. i’m very disappointed in him
im sorry you may want to view travis as this good person and im sure he may have some good in him i dont know , but from his actions that not someone who cares about his fans their safety and more importantly their lives. And alot of time when you see celeberties involved in charities alot of is for tax breaks another way to not be taxed or just simply help them stay relevant and sweeten their image. This is why i always say its very toxic how people treat these celeberties as gods and worship them and idolize them . Most of the time they dont care about their fans only see them as profit and whatever they got to do to accumalate that wealth . Its sad and i hope as consumers we hold them accountable and stop supporting them its the only way is to hit then where it hurts in for them its their bank accounts .
As a fan of both Travis Scotts music and him as a person, this has definitely been an uncomfortable series of realisations. I think a lot of what prevented Travis from taking the actions recommended here is due to the ego and disconnect which has built his identity and driven his success since the beginning. I feel like Travis felt himself a leader - he has always been so embedded into the idea of raging at shows and creating the most intense outlet of that. All around him is proof of this identity, I can imagine he would feel the pressure to constantly need to outdo or live up to the level of ‘rage’ he has channeled in the past. This is only exacerbated by the overwhelming hype for a post corona event with huge artists and massive crowds. It is a disappointing fact that the actions people call Travis out for from the past, were instead positively received at the time they happened. People thought it was iconic when Travis told people to rush the stage etc. Obviously in hindsight, and to anyone with crowd management experience, it was irresponsible, but within Travis’s sphere of influences, who would have called him out when people lauded him for being such a ‘rager’. I feel like Travis had a huge amount of pressure to make this performance the greatest he’s done - with it being performed on the grounds of Astroworld, in his home town, after a huge period of time without huge festivals with some of the biggest artists in the world performing. I want Travis to be held accountable for how his artist image has culminated in this, that his actions in the past and to this point have been irresponsible and have led to him not understanding the severity of the situation before it was too late. Travis should have managed the crowd better, especially with the ambulances. At the very least I hope that Travis moves away from this persona and makes real effort to heal his community. The management of this event was horrible at all levels, I pray for the victims of this event and that their families receive all of the support possible.
Travis fan here (who just saw him at Rolling Loud two weeks ago): that "apology" was trash. First, I don't know what he is feeling/experiencing, but I don't think jumping on IG with a FILTER was the best approach at all. 8 people died. The best apologies are concise and straightforward, which his video wasn't. His team is failing him and he is failing us fans. I definitely feel like we are watching his downfall (dramatic, i know). I'm so upset by this whole situation. :( RIP to those who died.
As a Travis fan, I think his team handled things very poorly and they are not professional enough for these type of situations. They’re responsible of what went down as well as the fans who were being wild and Travis himself. Everything was so poorly managed and should never happen again. May the victims Rest In Peace 🕊
Glad you were unable to provide an unbiased take as a fan. Saw way too many Stan's on Blackyspeakz's 2nd video about the situation dickriding and acting like he didn't have any responsibility and did his best to insure shit was safe, completely ignoring that he helped incite the shit
I partially agree, the stage crew and other workers surveilling the show definitely should’ve jumped into action, but the way so many witnesses describe makes it difficult to blame someone. The crowd endlessly shifted around like a wave and was crammed in to the point that it became difficult for one’s lungs to expand. I think Travis was somewhat wrapped up in his own performance but should’ve taken some notice to the constant yells for help between songs. But in the crew’s fairness not only would they need to pinpoint certain people in critical condition, but there was no way of reaching them. The only thing to do in the future is to prepare and prevent this from happening again.
@@acecashman1237 it’s not dick riding it’s pointing out the actual flaws of the preparation of Live Nation in their 3RD YEAR of holding this festival and the barricading of the Houston Police who has taken 0 blame it’s calling out the real problem of the event and not using Travis as a scapegoat
As a longtime fan of his music and an attendee of Astroworld, im very disappointed. I couldn’t attend the first 2 years but I was so excited to go this year. It was literally going to be one of the highlights of my year. I loved Travis Scott so I camped out 3 hours early for a good spot for his set like many others. Never did I think I would want to get out so much in my life at my favorite artists concert. There were way too many people and I was blessed to walk away with minor injuries but the entire time I was panicking and thinking to myself “when will it end”. When you admire someone so much for so long, you never think they would put you in danger like that. I think like Shawn said in his video the worst part is his response. Roddy Rich who many of the people I talked to at the festival SKIPPED to get a good spot for Travis responsed promptly and respectfully and it was not even his show. He just really let me down. As for his music I don’t know if I’ll ever be able to listen again because now it’s like a soundtrack to what happened that night. I hope he’s doing okay, but the situation was just handled terribly in my opinion on his end.
Sorry you had to go through something like that. Hope you have the strength to heal from that. It’s pathetic how people are trying to overlook that he enables this kind of behavior to the point that it scarred people who were true fans at one point
I think the worst part of all of this is how he and Kylie responded. It comes off as if they do not feel in the least bit responsible. Its just disgusting that they care so little about the people that love and adore and literally idolize them. regardless of the intent, the brand partnering with the mental help services is tone deaf. Maybe the legality of it all as to why nothing much else has been said. I don't think it'd be a gesture that suggests fault, to have had organized some type of official vigil service by now (Kanye tried but I'd have announced something like this through Travis to at least try to make him look better. These one offs by the other performing artists look like every man for himself off this wreck). He could have showed up to the service, he/Kylie could be at the hospital with victims, he just gave two bare minimum PR statements and let his peers move to make good deeds before him. Maybe things are being done out of the public eye, but I don't want to hear about it via a Netflix documentary that lines their pockets, that's clearly the culture that got us here. Then Kylie good god. Recorded the ambulances. Screams "look at all the peasants". Just piss poor self awareness. As for fault, I think most of this is on poor planning: overselling venue + poor staffing, then Travis insighting people to sneak in and increase capacity and rowdiness in general. Ignoring the show not getting stopped at several red flags, the responses to the whole event have just put a sour taste in my mouth for Travis and Kylie, they just seem like they think so little of other people. Like it's one thing to not know in the moment, it's another to be totally tone deaf to how to respond. Makes me feel like they think their fans are nothing but zeroes and commas in the grand scheme, the kids that make fun of the less fortunate behind closed doors. Redemption for everyone, but there's a sour taste here, those responses were not it
Kylie and her damn sisters are having a new reality show on hulu just shows u how the haves can be so fucking egotistical and insensitive. Just like his boyfriend. No wonder why they have no clue how to their actions affect people who blindly follow them as if they'll always view them as peasants.
danish baig's story is heartbreaking. he gave his life to save his fiancee which takes so much courage man, imagine being in the surge and losing the love of your life, losing blood sweat and tears to rescue them, only for you to be separated from them again, eternally. i hope that people don't forget about this in a month like they usually do for big artists because this is such a tragedy
I'd say 60% of the fault is on the concert managers for neglecting security and medical AND for seemingly not shutting it down the moment they heard ppl were dying, and 40% of the fault is on travis for encouraging this behavior (though he did pause the concert for ppl who passed out, he didn't stop to check on the crowd and see exactly what was going down)
gotta agree with you here but i’d also say some blame should go on pockets of the crowd cos i’ve seen videos it was violent as hell and stuff i’ve never seen it at a travis concert usually if u fall u get picked back up straight away and everyone is respectful and nice usually
@@joshking6934 That goes to his 40% of the blame for enabling these kinda lunatic fans to behave like that at his concerts. Idiots rushed in because he encouraged them to and security couldn't stop them bc they were understaffed at fucking ASTROFEST. One of the biggest artists' most notable event. Leaving normal ppl who waited in line to be caught in the crush.
@@velocity4519 and you think travis in person was responsible of hiring staff and sexurity or did someone else do that? Hmmm maybe the organizing company called Live nation? Naaaah prolly not
@@velocity4519 his whole image before this is marketing. People should be able to behave themselves. You cant just back track events to fit into your argument
@@albinskoldberg4802 if Travis is promoting dangerous activity at his concerts and straight up ignoring an AMBULANCE it is 100% his fault. You aren't getting this behaviour at any other concert because of the dangerous image that travis creates around "rager" culture
I don’t care .. Travis has always encouraged this behavior. Venues have capacity limits for a reason. This event shouldn’t have even gone on once the stampeding began.. hell, it shouldn’t have been green-lit knowing there wasn’t enough security and staff for 50,000 people. Proper planning prevents piss poor performance. Hate to see it. RIP to all lost :/
there were enough security but a lot of the security quit on the spot since so many people were breaking into it and they couldn’t do anything to stop them
See as someone that just listens to him every now and then. There’s times where I hear about the stuff he does in the community. Like he had a softball game and also had opened like an education center or something and looked happy. The next day all the Astrofest thing happened and it was crazy. Crazy how much can change from one day to another.
Exactly. He’s done nothing but good these past few years, I mean he was on top of the world the entire pandemic while everyone was at their low. Crazy how one thing like this can make people turn on him so quick. It’s like people have been praying for him to slip up. This is their time. Cancel culture is sad asf. No one wants to take accountability.
@@laynetorres583 Are you serious right now? You say it’s just one thing like it’s a small thing, my guy there are eight people dead and countless others injured and otherwise affected if anyone turns on Travis especially after the apology it’s pretty fucking justified. And that’s isn’t cancel culture that’s called having a conscience and following it.
@@oliverm9876 it’s easy to point fingers looking from the outside in. No one knows what he did and didn’t see and no one said this should be taken lightly. I’m just saying for people who are just looking at the videos posted and what’s in front of them they’re so quick to judge and think Travis is the guy behind all of this. What about the organizers of this whole thing? Someone didn’t do their job clearly. But is Travis partly to blame OF COURSE, no one said he wasn’t bud.
Apologies neverr look legit because it's public. That's how I feel. No matter WHAT someone does, use filters don't use filters, be empathetic don't be empathetic, it doesn't matter. It always look perfomative.
Exactly, people looking for oscar worthy performances from dudes that just make music. Not all grief is captured on camera and it doesn't have to be. You guys are the reason people are so fake these days. I'm not gonna take out a camera to make a statement when I'm actively mourning. I'm surprised he even took time to say something. I'd be shook for weeks, like what the fuck am I doing, only to be slandered for not saying anything. Whatever you do expect to be slandered I guess.
Also he can’t really “apologize” per se. that would be an admission of guilt and look horrible if he goes to court. He never said he was sorry and said that he didn’t realize the severity of the situation. Definitely a lawyer or 2 behind the camera
I mean i agree to an extent, but no matter what this apology is trash, like the worst of the worst. Excluding the fact that yes an apology will look partially performative, it IS in fact performative. Adding a black and white filter while doing stereotypical “sad” movements and exclaiming how deeply you care for your fans while you watched plenty of them be trampled in front of you is 100% performative
@@NeverEndingFear The narrative you're spinning might not match up with what he's actually living. Like you're saying all of this as if he was completely aware of just how severe things became when we don't know. I understand it's natural, but entangling your perspective with the narrative and parading it as fact is one of the reason why no public apology is ever taken seriously.
Thank you. Everyone involved is at fault but these Travis stans are so far gone. This isn’t a Dababy, Boosie or Dave Chappell situation. Fuck people’s feelings! Children died! They want to protect him so bad. It’s disgusting!
Travis fan here and I have to agree. I don't believe he is 100% at fault, but I believe he has handled this situation poorly (as well as his team). It's awful and my heart aches for those that have died/been seriously hurt. Ugh.
@@Evelyn-pl3we well thank you. Other Travis fans are currently criticizing the hispanic guy who tried to help his friend before she died. He jumped on the camera man podium begging them to stop the show. Calling him weak. Saying it’s his fault his friend died. It’s craziness.
They dont understand that aside from a couple of lawsuits which he'll definitely be able to pay for, nothing will actually happen to him. Those families lost their loved ones for good. There are ppl currently in critical condition as we speak. There are people who wont be able to listen to sicko mode without getting flashbacks of that terrible event.
@@kbreezy1581 right if anything after the smoke clears this incident may even boost his career a lot of people love the whole idea of sacrifices and shit. I personally think it’s bullshit and the promoters and Travis team just didn’t want to pay extra for security and didn’t want to shut down the event after all those people bypassed security. It was negligence not a ritual. SMH RIP to the ones that aren’t here anymore.
“Separate the art from the artist” is easier said than done to be honest. Forgetting and separating a tragedy like this while listening to his music is not as easy as it sounds.
@@woodchayn not when u realize he’s on some demon shit. His most beautiful songs sound different to me now thinking it’s some dark shi lol.. only good vibrations I’m gon go listen to some Larry June
Me too... When I listen to my playlist and one of his songs come on, I skip them because I just can't help but think of those who passed away - RIP to them:(
There's so much B.S. and this whole situation does make me question the deeper cultural significance of things we take lightly like the messaging in music or following an artist blindly. I will never look at him the same, just being honest.
I was in the center of the pit during the event. I did CPR and helped pull a couple of people out of the crowd. Travis, the organizers, the experts who helped organized the event, etc etc etc all share responsibility for what happened. The whole event was a shitshow from the very beginning. The barricading system was absolutely appalling and most definitely contributed to the surge. Even though I assume Travis didn’t have much to do with the actual logistics of the event aside from design, the festival in his name. It’s his responsibility to ensure that he can provide a festival that’s fun and rage-worthy, but also safe. In terms of his response, no amount of response will be seen as sufficient. He paid for the cost of the victim’s funerals and other fees, partnered with a mental health network to provide services for anyone at the fest, and is supposedly refunding every single ticket sold. Nothing will make up for the lives lost, and if there’s anything to take away from this, it’s that there needs to be more oversight and regulation when it comes to this massive festivals. You cannot control how people act, but you can mitigate the risk but making sure the environment is as safe as possible for everyone to have a great time.
His apology was shitty. But, it was everyone's fault. Not just trav, not just the fans, not just the venue. Everybody. Thas it, this shouldn't be a hard thing or even intelligent take. It's just really obvious.
@@SolidSnake240 Because at the end of the day he still controls the show. His fans will listen if he had stopped to do a safety check. He encouraged it to get that packed also. There's a clip people use of one of LP's old concert where they stopped the show to command the audience to help someone who had fell. No reason Travis couldn't do the same if he truly cares about his fans so much.
@@phoenix9531 when i say everybody i mean everybody who CAN be at fault. The mfs who crashed down security checkpoints, fences, pushed everyone in the crowd, kelt rushing to the front, not helping or letting paramedics through, etc etc.
Agreed. Venue gets most of the blame, because regardless of the culture Travis built, the awful staffing issues, terrible crowd control setups and such are completely inexcusable, but Travis did deliberately cultivate a fan culture that condones injuries at his concerts and just acting, in general, uncaring to the person next to you.
he's hiding his face. i think he feels more inconvenienced and embarrassed he gotta go make an apology than anything else. and i don't need an apology from him because i'm not his biggest fan - but his biggest fans do communicate on those public platforms
it definitely feeds his ego the crazier a show gets. i think all performers want that to a degree, but he didn't know where the line was or wasn't mature enough to be a vibe-killer when it was necessary
This is a very good video commentating on the matter. I’ve been really disappointed in certain music UA-camrs and their response to what happened. While it’s not all Travis’s fault, those that are saying he doesn’t deserve any blame are really upsetting. Especially those that are trying to take that side just to get views. Much love Shawn and mad respect!
As a travis fan I'm pretty disappointed. I get how you want your fans to have fun but dangerous isn't fun, you would think that he hasn't been informed of people getting hurt in past concerts and with his brand bigger than ever right now (plus him giving out extra tickets for an over capacity event is just a money grab without thinking of negative consequences) his apology felt like more of a "I'll do this one selfless act, now leave me alone" couldn't even bother mentioning the actual people who DIED
I agree,he is in the same situation as Kanye was 10 years ago in terms of how he is presented to the public.I hope Utopia is completely different to the normal Travis music and that he can show us he is better than this and can win back the respect that ppl had for him prior to this
@@jaiysonprabaharan7259 I thought that at first. But Kanye was just an outspoken asshole. Anyone can rebrand that through kindness. Travis got people killed and his response was not proportional to a two way exchange with people that love and care about him. To me this whole thing is nasty because he and Kylie don't care about people the way people care about them. Sickening tbh
As a security officer for live events working his 2019 tour at my arena there were no incidents. It was The countryrock , pop singers and mariachi bands who made my job a headache💢. Security officers and event staff leaders are always being fired after moments like this. With that said I would like to see other event coordinators help Travis compensate the victims rather than jump to protect their wallets by pointing in his direction.🤝🏽
I really have started to like Travis less and less throughout this whole situation; ordinary people with not as much money, fame, etc etc are reacting to this better than he is. Its not all his fault but he is one of many people responsible for all of this and I reallly hope he’s actually doing something for these victims behind the scenes.
Honestly as a longish fan i always got an awkward vibe from him like he doesn’t know how to carry himself like a nervous teenager. I don’t know how his mental health is but this definitely is going to affect him, he should probably handle the situation give money or sum sort of finance support tho those who were lost or injured, then take a little time to recover because the mental strain must be insane on this level of backlash and everyone who is saying he doesn’t care and shit treat him like he’s perfect, he’s human too everyone takes shit differently. I get where some of the hate that he is getting and it truly is horrible what happened. We’ll just have to see where it goes from here. Prayers out to the people lost 🙏🏽
No one is treating him like he should have been omniscient, but it was easily avoidable beforehand and Travis didn’t make the attempts. During the event, he didn’t stop the show after seeing an ambulance in the crowd or at least let them have room to work is also crazy. I get what you’re saying, he can’t know everything and can’t be expected to make the best decision at all times, but this isn’t a simple mistake. People died so he needs full accountability for what he didn’t do to help.
I think this was a bad combo of things that eventually created a horrific event. The organisers were awful. They were understaffed, under supplied and agreed to sell more tickets even when they were at capacity. But they opted with extra money over health and safety. Travis, while it’s not directly his fault. He’s still to blame. He’s promoted rage culture in a way that is completely unsafe. Rockstars mosh all the time but they are actually sensible with it. I.e if people are getting hurt, it stops etc. Travis is different. He’s encouraged fans to break in, jump barriers, ignore security and jump off balconies. He’s been arrested MULTIPLE times for inciting riots and public endangerment. That’s all fine if you only have 200 people at your show. But when you’re a popstar that has loads of minors as fans, you gotta know when to cut that shit out. It’s common sense. He’s taken rage culture and given it to an audience that really has no experience on how it works. So of course they go way too far. He had people come up to him and tell him something was wrong and he ignored it. There was a time when the music cut out and you can hear very clearly a whole section screaming for help. He ignored it. He saw a person being resuscitated, he acknowledged it, but then started singing to the body which was so fucking weird. He saw multiple ambulances in the crowd and he ignored it. Either him or his team should have put two and two together and realised something is not right. That apology was one of the worst apologies ever. It looks like he’s trying so hard to pretend to be upset. Just do a normal formal video. Why try and do the theatrics.
Travis handled this terribly; its been disgusting to see so far. And I think you’re right in saying that he gets off to the idea of his shows being so lit that people get injured. I also think in the heat of the moment his best judgement probably was not with him. If he couldn‘t make the right call someone else should have been able to stop that show. How did it not stop?
People that are full blown defending bruh are not acknowledging him seeing a ambulance driving thru the crowd and him saying shake the ground. You have no idea if someone’s dying right now and you don’t care. That IS HIS FAULT. The entire thing isnt his fault but idk how u can defend that moment. U dont have to make him a villain but people who cape for mfs really will make themselves look foolish for no reason. Be objective kids. It’s a good habit to be objective.
Its the weird satanic shit that came with it. Its all over the internet about that concert. People explained how it felt, like they were in straight hell. Looking like some Bohemian Grove type shit.
Kris Jenner used Travis as a pawn she used a snipper at gun point if he stop she would've off him I read Travis natal chart & Kris Jenner natal chart broooooo she was amped up that night on a spiritual as well she is a evil witch their are wayyyyy more bodies the media lying & Travis was having a Saturn return
it's so many factors that play into this that it's hard to pick a truly valid standpoint. Travis is no doubt responsible for encouraging this type of behavior at his shows, and overall being very negligent. But The Planners and Organizers should be ashamed of letting him continue on with the prep of the show without hiring proper staff or having proper resources.
I feel Travis didn’t handle the situation well at all but it’s def mainly the organizers. Even with Travis’s rage culture i feel like this could’ve been avoided with proper planning. But idk cause a dude also got paralyzed at one of his shows before. Travis also straight up doesn’t seem to care about the safety of his fans so it’s just all a shit storm
Kris Jenner used Travis as a pawn she used a snipper at gun point if he stop she would've off him I read Travis natal chart & Kris Jenner natal chart broooooo she was amped up that night on a spiritual as well she is a evil witch their are wayyyyy more bodies the media lying & Travis was having a Saturn return
I expected more from his response. You can’t just be like “man this is a bummer. Thoughts and prayers though.”. Not asking him to cry or anything, just show some more respect and seriousness the situation deserves. Even if you don’t think it’s your fault, it happened at your show. He was so slow to piece together the severity of the situation even afterwards he just didn’t seem to get it.
Even though the apology was fake, how did y’all not know he was a psychopath. He legitimately kicked a cameraman off the stage because he didn’t like the angle of his picture. Days Before The Rodeo was nothing but evil trap hymns. I fell in love with Rodeo because it represented a very dark period of my life and Travis’s use of the “wild west” theme captures my experience in the south. I’ve always know he was crazy so this is kind of expected. He’s basically a gothic Kanye
First off i want to say rest in peace to the ones lost at the festival. Praying for everyone in the hospital and those traumatized by the event. It’s so hard to even think about what they went through. I would say i’ve been a fan of travis since a little bit after rodeo came out. Probably partly because I live in houston and Travis reps where he is from heavily. I attended the first 2 astroworld festivals and had a pretty good time. There was definitely plenty of times things got too crazy though. My friend group who likes concerts and such, decided not to go to this astroworld because the price was almost double than the previous years. I feel extremely lucky that we didn’t end up going. Regarding my stance on Travis now, i haven’t listened to a travis song since the news, and anytime i see my travis merch i get a bad feeling, and just feel sadness for the people, when he could have just stopped the show. Once he saw the one guy passed out, things should have slowed down dramatically, and then the ambulance... if there is an ambulance somebody’s life is on the line. How is that not worth stopping your performance for? Am i fan anymore? no. I believe i interpreted him wrong this whole time, and i just feel dumb in a way. Once more, rest in peace❤️
9 year old Ezra's dad, Treston Blount, was a Travis Scott STAN. He has a Astroworld tattoo sleeve and always posted about him on his FB. I can't imagine looking down at your arm and seeing the place your son was hurt so badly at😔
Honestly I feel like Trav on an emotional and moral level is still mentally in high school. Like this man is reckless, careless, doesn't understand the gravity of the situation nor does he understand the consequences of his action. On top of that this man is just dissociated and doesn't even know how to humanely respond to something like this. People are gonna think he's some psychopath or something but for me, this man is just a teenage adrenaline junkie.
What Pewdiepie said about this stuck with me. The organizers knew there was chaos but if hey stopped the show they would've had to return the money, and Travis liked to see people going crazy for him. At the end of the night, it turned out into a horrible tragedy bc of greed and ego and nobody got what they wanted.
I still love his music because, even though he is my favorite artist, I was never particulary interested in him as a person. He was always socially awkward so this kind of response to the tragedy doesn't suprise me, but no matter what he does, it won't bring people back. He is responsabile for what happened but I think the organizers are mostly to blame.
I’m the same, I have an app that tracks my plays and it lists Travis as my 2nd most listen to artists with 10k+ plays yet I don’t care for him as a person at all. Same with Kanye and the crazy shit he do too. Listening to him now feels a little odd though. I think I will take a break.
This whole situation has diminished some of the admiration for travis like it just shows how he only cares about his rage aesthetic and how he doesn’t rly care for the people involved
As a huge fan of Travis, I at least expected him to take responsibility of what had happened. Man’s just in denial of it like he’s some 14 year old kid. Nothing’s going to bring those people back but at least he could show some sort of respect and accountability, rather than giving a free trial of better help. Idk about his music anymore tbh, listening to it just feels more disrespectful to those who have passed away :(
I dont think that he viewed that situation with all the nuance needed to give a thoughtful response on the tragedy. Its quite obvious that while everyone involved shares a bit of the blame of the tragedy that had occured, travis and Livenation are the biggest villains of the story. The way travis perpetuates rage culture is such an issue.
also in the clip where it sounds like he’s saying “who told me to stop” “who told me to stop” he’s actually saying “put 2 hands up in the sky”. listen and you’ll see
His audience doesnt care, yall go look on social media they think none of what happened is fault. His streams have gone up since the tragedy, theres no way someone can swim through a crowd injecting people with needles when other people couldn't even get through the crowd..
They are gonna come on here and start talking about cancel culture as if, a bunch of people with 2 followers on twitter saying some shit actually affects the trajectory of these musician's careers.
I was a fan of him because some of his songs slap, and when he opened for Kendick Lamar's DAMN concert when I was 18/19 I thought it was cool. I thought it was cool when he got on a bird mechanism above the audience, not afraid to fall. I thought it was cool when he had us stand on the seats, disobeying security warnings. Some stayed standing the whole time during this concert. Mind you, I was 18-19 years old. Now I'm 23 and seeing this situation. All I can think is "It definitely was leading up to this". Travis runs his shows and brand on rebellion, borderline anarchy if you think about it. Disobeying authority as if he gives us permission to (he tells people this) because he's the one with the money and fame. When you're an adolescent, you don't think about the potential dangers. But those in their mid twenties and thirties knew better, and definitely shouldn't have encouraged it either. I can't ignore the fact that Travis encourages this behavior too, because I've witnessed it first-hand. He should've stopped the show, and his apology felt like an inconvenience to him. I can't listen to his music anymore without thinking of the people who died.
His incessant perpetuation of rage culture has always been somewhat of a red flag. He takes the type of behaviour and brand of rebellion which is usually somewhat okay for a crowd of couple hundred adults, and presents it to thousands of minors who have no regard for even their own safety at times. They're kids, why would they, they think their invincible. That is ultimately the most dangerous thing about travis and the way he carries out his concerts. He is a mainstream artist with thousands of young fans at his concert. He isnt some underground rapper performing in a rager in some backroom. He needs to understand that.
After watching OBSERVE’s video on Scott’s apology, I’ll say this: when a bunch of people DIE at this guy’s music festival, you’d THINK it’d prompt more of an emotional and active response rather than sounding like he just got woken up and is shaking the last bits of sleep off. While it does sound like he was on something, the graveness and horror of the situation should prompt more a response than what he gave. I mean, these were his FANS who died. Like people who took time out of their day to see HIM live! You’d think he’d be more devastated.
I get What your saying. Although we do need to understand that some people react differently to serious situations. Some people can’t translate their true inner emotions physically. Believe it or not But some people laugh in serious scenarios where it would be considered rude like funerals. Idk. But i myself think the video of him could indeed have been better, it’s just not so black or white y’know
@@ezy002 Highly agree with this response. We never know exactly what Travis is thinking here. And a real apology i.e. taking responsibility is not a good move for him legally when there are other larger parties who are also responsible for this tragedy. In my opinion it did look like Travis was truly distraught but idk, like I said, only he knows what he's thinking. None of us are body language experts. Additionally, we don't know what he's doing behind the scenes. We can't judge him based on a 1m30s video addressing the situation. At the end of the day, any kind of acknowledgement from travis, or lack thereof, would prompt criticism.
I do understand what you mean it honestly doesn’t look that great if you scrutinize it but to contextualize I’ve always known Travis’s interviews and public speaking to be very awkward and disjointed so I interpreted it as his way of expressing how he felt while still unsure of what the right and wrong thing is to say. Personally I’m someone who overthinks a lot and I’ve been called nonchalant about serious situations that I’ve cared deeply about so it does frustrate me to see people judge something as subjective as basic human expression of emotion based on how this stranger spoke in this video.
@@MuscularMontel For sure my Guy! It’s easy to jump to conclusions. We can only guess so much. It would have been a different story if what he said was something else compared to the clip. We know his intentions are good. It’s more of a lack of expression i guess. There’s a lot to delve into regarding this situation. We know there are other important factors of this aftermath to bring up! Rip to lives lost🖤. I wish this never happened
Not defending him here cause I do think he had some responsibility. but if you've followed travis for a long time and seen him on video/interviews, you would know he can sometimes act very shy/weird in front of cameras. So the apology video didnt really phase me that he was rubbing his forehead or whatever.
As a fan of Travis Scott, who has previously been to a concert of his during the Astroworld Tour, I think people are giving him too much shit as if he’s to be held responsible for all this when like you said there’s plenty of people who hold some of the responsibility as well. I do think there are valid points you made, and while I can see why you would feel how you feel, I really think people are misjudging a lot here. For example, the apology video came across as genuine to me, and I didn’t think anything of it at the time until I saw the conversation online. Travis is the type of person to upload a lot of random content quite often to his instagram story, especially of him talking to address his fanbase. It wasn’t weird how he was talking, or what he was saying necessarily, (there are a couple things to point out) He uploaded the video sometime the day after, and we had seen reports throughout the night of the concert and through the day after (before the apology) about the police investigation. Travis went out to that one afterparty, but I’m sure he was still very busy after finding out the severity of the situation just dealing with all sorts of things (and he said he had been working with Houston PD and the fire department, etc), so I don’t think the apology video was ever meant to be an “apology video” I saw it as more of an update on the situation as well as just a way of him addressing the situation. Plus I don’t think people should judge apology videos to determine how the person is actually feeling or what they’re going through cause that seems insensitive as we don’t really know those things for sure. I’m sure he’s devastated too, and I’m not trying to say that he doesn’t hold responsibility for this because he definitely is partially responsible, but I don’t think people are showing enough empathy and putting themselves in his shoes..Despite the mistakes he may have made, like potentially inciting some reckless behavior, it’s not like people at his concerts don’t enjoy the mosh pits or seek to take part in them, and I still think he really tries his best to provide help and while we can sit back and judge the lack of action we wanted to see during the concert, I don’t know if we should be pointing fingers at him without being understanding of the fact that we don’t know if someone communicated to him that things were fine while he was on stage, or he didn’t notice because he was really caught up in performing, or was thinking about other shit while looking around the crowd. We also know for a fact that there were plenty of people who didn’t know people had been hurt, much less killed based on many testimonies from people at the concert. we’re all people, I don’t think just because travis holds more responsibility than a lot at the event that we should disregard his perspective too. I do think whoever is to blame will be held accountable for their mistakes (including Travis and live nation), I think for now we should focus on providing the people that were hurt or the families that are suffering from the loss of a loved one with support and however else we can. I think a lot of the blame resides with concert culture, like accepting that injuries are likely to happen and accepting reckless behavior at concerts. I think this situation is far more complex than people are allowing themselves to see.
i bet he didn't wanna do it but his people kept pressuring him like: you gotta speak, man. you gotta say something. the fans deserve info then trav was begrudgingly like: fine! this embarrassing for me. but lemme just do this corny ass shit real quick!
Honestly I’m a Travis Scott fan and I can’t listen to him the same anymore like I was listening to one of the songs that he was playing at the concert and all I heard while listening to the music was this video of this girl being dropped on a stretcher..and it’s just like I can’t get it out of my head it’s like it sucks I don’t know..I can’t listen to him without seeing this in my head it just hurts you yk I don’t think I’ll listen to him again.
I 100 percent agree with your point of view. 30 minutes in a show and you are advised to stop due to people being hurt, you need to stop. Even when you see an ambulance going through a crowd to try to save lives and you don’t help the people the care you need is just pure awful to me, on a personal level. No matter who it is, no one deserves to die, especially at a an event that is an everyday event for people. These 8 people did not know they would die to this show, they all bought the tickets in order to have fun, not to be punched pushed or killed by the person beside them without any action coming from the person who is control of the crowd and there health at this event
He literally said "what the fuck is that" when the ambulance pulled up. Some of yall only want to see things one way and its showing. Y'all expecting TRAVIS SCOTT to come out like Obama after his drones hit a kill spree. Bro is not a diplomat. Why do yall expect pr excellence from dudes like dababy, travis and kanye west. Stop being high, these are entertainers. Travis fucked up, the rage had a consequence that should have been predictable and prevented but flaws in the venue exacerbated the risk and led to these deaths. If no one died none of you would question Travis' ability to apologize. Such a stupid thing to ponder. Him apologizing will not resurrect anyone and won't prove anything. Bunch of dramatic individuals in the comments really expected travis to come out in tears saying "I killed those people". Talking bout "I need to rethink his music," you need to rethink riotous behavior, you need to rethink how safe a concert actually is, you need to rethink your damn priorities because if you think this is the last concert death history appears to say otherwise.
as a fan of Travis music since 2015, I can’t look at him the same after this honestly. I thought he genuinely cared about his fans but after this it seems like it’s the complete opposite. lost all my respect i had for him.
As a Travis scott “fan” and attendee of the event i was extremely disappointed in him but i also want people to give just as much attention to Houston pd as travis because if you were there they did not do their job at all….extreme negligence from them until sh*t hit the fan and it was already too late
5:24 "he seems so dissociated and disconnected [from the events that transpired]" as a travis scott fan since 2014, i feel like that's how he's always been, with anything. (not defending him whatsoever). but like, besides his on stage persona of trying to get the crowd as hyped as possible, he has never really felt like a person..idk he seems incapable of showing emotion and just seems disconnected from normal human behavior, like a robot, do any other travis fans agree there? can you imagine him showing affection, getting scared, laughing uncontrollably, anything of the sort? i don't even know how to guess what his personality could even be like, compared to any other artist with his level of fame.
Rip to those lost 🙏 but I don’t think Travis was legally able to take responsibility or even say sorry cause it would imply its his fault. His apology was probably the extent to how much he could say.
@@Jackson-df3rv I’m not saying the apology was good or justified but he is right that if Trav directly apologized he’s holding himself accountable and in fault for the deaths. Prosecutors could argue that he himself is admitting to being at fault which would hurt his case
If I would’ve been at that concert I don’t I’d be able to listen to Travis music again. It’s just bring back flashbacks every time his music comes on tbh…even now that I wasn’t even there it just doesn’t feel right to be turning up to his music. I know sicko won’t be the same for a lot of people and Travis might not be able to perform for years to come. I am sure music show will change after this tragedy. Rest In Peace to all the people that passed 🙏🏾
I'm not a Travis fan by any means but I'm from Houston. I see this as a mistake and a lesson. who really wants to hurt their fans? The crowds in houston have been wild and this isnt new. Playboi Carti came and they shut it down before he could perform. So who's really stopping the massive income generator for Houston? HPD? Plus he's done much more for the city than Meg and Beyonce and united the culture. This is not to takeaway from the deaths of the people. RIP fr, but like I feel the man actually cares for his fans and will do whats right. Fam just opened up a new design school in HTX like bro aint gotta help, but houston still needs him.
That’s what people fail to realize bro it truly breaking my heart that his fans really turning they backs on him after everything he’s done for them & the city……….fucking bittersweet ass fans
Hey Shawn Cee. Could you make a video predicting the 2022 grammy nominations rap catergories i.e. best rap performance, best melodic rap performance, best rap song and best rap album? Keep the amazing videos. I'm a huge fan :)
He is indeed super awkward, always hiding his face etc but stilll I can't believe he didnt show more emotions like without you these people are alive. It's not all his fault but thats so weird
@@Motm1777 Yeah for sure but i’ll never take it upon myself to tell people how to show emotion besides what they say. i’ll leave that to “body language experts” and twitter
That Gofundme should be paid for complety by Livenation, Travis, and Kylie since she is a billionaire. This would NOT put a dent in any of their wallets But, if they cared about others and not money this concert would have been better equipped and handled.
I wasn’t really a big fan of Travis he is just of those artist I tune into. I went to the fest to see what the hype was about. I drove 9 hours for the trip down to Houston with three other friends by the way this was my first concert. I knew stuff was off once I saw the merch line but I wasn’t thinking too much of it. As time went on I kept on trying to have fun with my friends I did have some but then we left sza 30 min early to get good seats for the performance. We were in the middle of the crowd. Once the first song hit every one rushed to the front to get good spots I thought it was normal so I started jumping and yelling until the second song started and every one kept on rushing from every where. I had people yelling at me about how they couldn’t breath. I couldn’t either I had to jump as high as I could in the crowd to get a relieve of cold air. I had a water bottle with little water in it. I never knew how selfish people were because when I was trying to escape the middle and help others I was getting yelled at and people were just calling me names or just not letting me move out. Later on I got separated from my friends. I rushed the crowd to the back for safety. I had fun but the part that got is that i didn’t know I was having fun while people were fighting for their lives until after. A part that got to me was when he was playing 90210 and there was an ambulance on the field I kept on saying that he was going to stop the song and he didn’t I stood there in just confusion and mixed emotions. That’s where I felt that I lost some respect for him. After the show I stood up the rest of that night just reading about the news. I’ve had nightmares every now and then about that night. My friends and I are okay but we left Houston traumatized and once I got home every day I get asked about what went down that night. I have feeling of survivors guilt occasionally. Songs like the “Escape plan and highest in the room” are the ones I can’t listen to throughly because those were the ones everything went to shit.
Kris Jenner used Travis as a pawn she used a snipper at gun point if he stop she would've off him I read Travis natal chart & Kris Jenner natal chart broooooo she was amped up that night on a spiritual as well she is a evil witch their are wayyyyy more bodies the media lying & Travis was having a Saturn return its 666 bodies
I think it's insane to see and as a father myself, Hearing about the children really struck me. They went to see their idol and never got to see adulthood. There is a lot behind it, It isn't solely on Travis, however there was much that could've happened to stop this tradgedy. If Travis Scott Reads this, Just know an ex fan now smokes Travis "scoot" pack. Won't catch me listening to him
I think the travesty that was that concert was very unfortunate for everyone involved. With insight on being on the floor and in mosh pits at his Astroworld concert, I will definitely say that it's a dangerous zone to be in when things get rowdy. I think the blame goes to everyone involved. I will give Travis Scott the benefit of the doubt that things were lost in translation. He's used to people climbing everything and everywhere raging. He's used to people raging uncontrollably to his music. So the instances where people were trying to tell him or his security about what's going on and he's not doing anything about it, I will say he probably wasn't aware of the situation. I do think he should take accountability for allowing a surplus of people to storm the area when the area was past capacity. That's an ignorant gesture that added to the problem. I also believe that people in the crowd should share the blame for how they acted, too. They raged on ambulances, stopped paramedics from getting to their destination, and deterred other concerned individuals from interrupting the show. The festival atmosphere is very dangerous and carries high risk especially for a Travis Scott concert. Personally, this is why I stay away from music festivals because once someone goes down, they will never be able to get up when the stampede starts moving and this was the case for the unfortunate lives that were lost in that event. His apology video came off as disingenuous. The body language in the video didn't appear sincere. Could he be emotionally numb? Possibly. Whatever the case, after reviewing that video, he could have decided to not post the video and stick to a written statement. His apology didn't help his case on the criticism that he's getting. I appreciate that he's refunding all of the tickets from the event, cooperated with the authorities, and cancelled his Las Vegas event. For the many that were injured, I do think part of taking accountability, he could cover all of their medical fees. For the lives that were lost, there isn't a price that could cover losing a life.
i’m a huge travis fan. he’s too 3 inspirations and it shows throughout my music. this tragedy has given me some much needed insight into his character and fan base however. i’ve been trying to do as much research as possible to make informed decisions but it kind of hurts to hear some of the things he’s allowed to happen at his shows. i recently deleted his catalogue off my phone. idk how to feel tbh
I think there’s two ways that Travis’s career goes from here. He never releases either to jail time or negative public reception. Or he does a mbdtf type move where he changes his musical sound and makes something crazy. Ofc he could just keep raging, but he’ll end up in the same boat as Chris Brown
I only just started listening to Travis Scott, then this happened, now I’ve been totally put off his music after seeing this. He has a responsibility and he needs to own to what he has done wrong. I don’t understand why he didn’t entirely stop the show. He had the best vantage point to see the entire crowd and should recognise whether or not the crowd are enjoying your music or calling to stop everything because people are dying. Travis “Bystander” Scott.
Man…this tragedy seems to have deeply affected Travis Scott’s core fanbase. Plus it’s Global. Over 50k of his core fans experienced this event. With all this negative energy dividing his fans; will he survive this or will people just forget about it a month from now?
HIs apology video felt too much like an act to be taken seriously. I want to see him read the victims names with pictures attached in order to see if he truly is a garbage human being.
It came out Travis went to a party after the concert. Was he really that unaware 😬 at least he ended up leaving but shit man 🤦♂️ "When someone told Travis at Dave & Buster’s about the tragedy, he immediately left the party," the sources said.” -nbc article (UA-cam deletes my link) I can’t even listen to his music anymore without thinking about what happened. I heard people say they think he’s an ass but I never understood that until this event.
There has been a ninth death confirmed from the list of those hospitalized post Astrofest
R.I.P. to 22 year old Bharti Shahani
#TravestyScott
@@romeliusg9159 you should rethink ur whole life
🙏🏾🙏🏾💐💐💐
tragic. RIP
@@benjaminramsey498 an unpopular opinion if u think astroworld was the 1st festival this happened at bruh u need rethink ur whole life lol. Like u really do
His apology is equivalent to:
"Damn bro... that's crazy."
to be fair he cant say hes sorry due to legal things but the “apology” was terrible
good equivalent
bro wtf is he supposed to say it was 100% managements fault
Kris Jenner used Travis as a pawn she used a snipper at gun point if he stop she would've off him I read Travis natal chart & Kris Jenner natal chart broooooo she was amped up that night on a spiritual as well she is a evil witch their are wayyyyy more bodies the media lying & Travis was having a Saturn return
Wasn’t his fault
the thought of travis scott going to find the right filter before recording his apology for EIGHT people dying at his show is insane
Oh shit that’s so fucked up 🤢
“Hey Kylie - - Whatcha thing about the dog ears filter for the apology? Too much? Noir it is then”
You know, I didn’t think about that, that’s weird
Oof
Everyone uses a filter. Even in tragedy.
His response sounded how I sound when I’m tryna call off of work…
Nah His is genuine .. yours is full of lies and bullshit
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@@paulvasquez7897 did Travis call you last night?
🤣🤣 facts
You steal this comment from the Lawtwins video ? because that’s exactly what they said
As a Travis Scott fan I’ve always questioned why he takes the “rage” so serious like it started off so cool to me as an energy thing but he really does get a kick out of people “surviving” a Travis Scott show and I just think it’s finally caught up to him.
ego
Definitely not a Travis Scott fan saying this
@@milli2901 seems like he gets it enough to actually like travis scott’s music
MILLI how it taste?
@@pavoquemado so he has always been putting his fans at danger…
bro gotta put out an apology for his apology
He really cant becuase saying sorry for xyz is considered an admission of guilt in court
Fr
@@bob-qf4hl thank you dude people need to realize that lol
@@bob-qf4hl but he is guilty…
@@nocloxt no fucking shit…but he doesn’t want to look guilty as long as he can.
Travis aside, I really hope that organizers will take note of this incident and prevent crowd surges from ever happening again. Slowly dying at the concert of your favourite artist seems like one of the saddest deaths possible.
I mean I could definitely think of worse scenarios, but ya I get the sentiment
Oh joy another UA-cam channel that has over thousands of subscribers yet no actual content.
@@sontho6995 That's cause I deleted my old videos a couple months ago. I mostly just comment sometimes right now until I motivate myself to switch up content on my channel.
@@six Uh-huh, yeah sure.
@@sontho6995 Bro whats your problem
Crazy to see how small this world is, Franco was a student at my school, university of dayton. They have bedsheets hanging from houses with messages of remembrance of him. He was in a fraternity too and everyone know that group is hurting badly. He was the second student from UD to pass this week. RIP Franco
Hey there,
I think you mean “fraternity” instead of “paternity.”
Just wanna suggest that little edit there for you.
Hope you’re coping well with the loss. Take care.
@@Twizzybeatzz lmfao appreciate it man
@@Killageable Lol of course dude. Cheers
that’s so sad honestly nobody deserves to lose their life at a concert
Rip franco
"his use of people as props for euphoric gratification at a live show" that's really well said
Why do I think travis try to change but his words in the past are gonna used against him even this time he didn't want people to get hurt
nah it really isn't
he is literally just inviting people to take part of his experience in making and performing his music.
his job is to create and entertain. and its his mangement and the festival producers job to make sure the fans are safe.
its insane how people like yall will say some retarded wannabe poetic shit like that and then ppl will be like omg thats well said like stfu no it isn't. yall aint helping nobody by just making shit up.
Travis has been doing all types of things to give back to his community and fans. and to say that he just uses people as props is just ignorant and disrespectful both to Travis and his fans smh
@@davidndounou I'm not reading all that. Happy for you though. Or sorry that happened.
“Don’t hit me up” vibes in the apology.
Facts it’s like he don’t wanna deal with the repercussions of overcrowding an arena
@@7HEA5HY1 who would tbf
Name one fucking apology that is good… just one
@@7HEA5HY1 tbf it wasn’t his job to ensure the arena wasn’t overly crowded. It was live nations and their security.
@@notoriouslynch607 tbf he's known to incite fence jumping and breaking in to shows and has even been arrested for it before and he encouraged the same for this show
One of the worst things to me is the people blaming the 14 year old or his parents for letting him go to the show. If the show allows minors, it’s their responsibility to keep that shit under control!!! If you can’t provide a safe environment for everyone, change the age limits!
EXACTLY!! Thats not the fault of the parents for not knowing the concert wasnt safe, nobody knew except Travis and his team
@@christiana5453 I would of disagreed but at the end of the day his parents could of been old like mine and don’t know who Travis Scott is and what he stands for
THIS!!!
Parents of the 9 year old who unfortunately passed away and parents of other young teens it my humble opinion are fully accountable you should have done research for the safety of your child... if i was in that parents shoes with the 9 year old... i would have done that... hell if i went to the show and before it even starts i see drugged up idol worshippers with no self control stomping on each other i would have turned around... mosh pits.. raging... the wall of death... is extremely dangerous thats just common sense if security cant fend off that many people being understaffed what you think you gonna do as one person while protecting a 9 year old... come on now... i dont care what age a venue says its for... if i know people are moshing and drugged up i know its not gonna be safe ill take my 9 year old to a theme park
@@CasualSweatx dude if you go to a theme park, and the roller coaster is rickety, rusty, and looks suspiciously weathered or damage, maybe it’s not the smart thing to ride it, but is it your legal responsibility to ensure the safety of the rides you get on? Hell no! The liability falls on the provider of the ride. The parent probably didn’t know about the moshing and drugging until they were in too deep. It doesn’t matter if it was dumb or not, it’s the responsibility of the event coordinators and hosts to protect their patrons! Why would we have age restrictions on clubs, restaurants, or movies when people could just “do their research” instead? That’s the whole point of age restrictions… to establish what scenario might be a safe environment for what age group… obviously Travis Scott and his crew greatly failed
I was on the left side waiting for Travis for 3 hours in the front. I had realized that the barricade set us up in a cage but I didn’t think much of it until an hour before the music. I had tried to make my way out but it was so packed that no one could move out of the way even if they had wanted to. Eventually I made it 5 yards backwards in AN HOUR. In my new position I was still in the cage but it was still TIGHTLY packed. I fell and was on the ground for 20 minutes, thankfully the people around me helped me out. From my perspective the barricade placement left no room for pressure to dissipate thus causing the crowd surge to cause all that harm. I cannot stress how packed it was.
How many times are you going to copy & paste this? But RIP to those who died.
aka not travis fault
@@fabiansanchez10000 just tryna get my POV out 💀💀💀💀
travis couldnt be responsible for the population of it aside from his fame and amazing songs
Facts exactly how it was
I was always a fan of his music, but never him as a person. He just always struck me as a questionable person. I remember one time when somebody asked Denzel curry if he’d work with Travis Scott, and he said something along the lines of “nah. His energy is funky”. I thought it was just me who was put off by Travis, but that made me realize that my hesitancy wasn’t just in my head.
I agree, I thought his music was pretty fun and enjoyable. But once I saw the documentary on Netflix it felt like he was acting like a character of himself. He just felt very off and like he'd be the type of person to not care what happens as long as he gets hyped.
🌵He mixes ASTRO & VAMP ❗️🌵🧛🏿♂️
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god bless y’all
@@steveleerock8016 this link is hard asf ngl🔥🔥
I remember this one video of him kicking somebody off the stage and he did it so condescendingly and after that I always assumed he was somewhat of an ass. Whenever somebody talk about sacrifices I don’t bat my eye to it but this time it seems real
@@1mintyboi solid observation
Shawn, your use of the word “Primal” was excellent. It seems like Travis goes for very low hanging fruit to obtain gratification. It’s easy to get people lit. It’s easy to hurt people, but it’s way harder to heal. I hope Travis learns that from all this.
no punishment?
@@imanafdar it’s not up to me. I do think the energy he puts out there contributed to this tragic event though.
:D
Travis ending the year with a major L
one of the biggest Ls in a while
Major major L I deleted all his music he lost me ✌️
Yorge Abbott - Well Jee Wiz you sure showed that Multi Millionaire 👌
@@yorgeabouttstudio he fucked up but u ain’t even have to do all that
@@firstlast9846 I’m not gonna support someone who has no compassion for life I don’t care about your troll comment I can’t do anything else but voice my opinion but whatever internet is so toxic I can’t say anything without it being turned into some negative shit
i attended astrofest this year and it’s definitely left a significant mark on my life. falling down and not being able to get up was the most terrifying moment of my life because i knew people around me weren’t there to save me, they were there for travis. i got out missing a shoe and bruised but seems like a blessing that’s all that happened to me. but with all this i don’t fully blame travis. i’m not riding bros meat i promise but the problem was the people that ARE . i saw psychos all over the festival that were there for the simple reason to “rage” but what i saw was people wearing mouthgards going around smacking people for the hell of it. the fans were to crazy. all humanity was lost as soon as he took the stage. people acted as if the purge was happening with not listening to security, jumping on ambulances, and leaving those down on the ground to suffer. people need to do better is my whole message here but as for travis i’m still not sure on my position . this is all still raw to me
That shit was demonic. Be thankful you got out alive and unscathed.
I’m glad you made it out alive 🙏
I’m glad you’re ok!
Bro after all that how do you not FULLY blame travis wtf is you on? TRAVIS encourages this type of behavior bro wtf his whole persona is RAGE RAGE RAGE . he instills this type of mentality in his fans he hyped the crowd even more evry time he stopped the show like wtf do you like his music that much bro ?
Yeah it surprises me how much all you fans still somehow try not to blame Travis when he himself could have full blown stopped the show till everything got settled. You can’t use the excuse that this or that, because every time people have been posting shows of all types of bands from rock to hip hop, with artists from hardcore to pop, all who took the time to let their fans know what’s up with safety, even fking lil pump who sometimes we take as brain dead was able to stop some of this.
The other thing is if you are like oh he couldn’t stop it because his fans are the crazy ones, who do you think influenced them? Was it the lady at the grocery store? No it was fking Travis who feeds and encourages this energy. He already has previous cases and counts of inciting this same thing, from a paralyzed fan to now dead fans.
Y’all need to wake up and mature, life ain’t a game, it’s why things are placed to ensure safety, it’s why we have some rules and regulations, yes rage is cool and all but now you must realize that not everyone is on the same moral or ethical code, I grew up with cousins who wouldn’t flinch to stab me. Some people don’t give a fk about you, they feed off of that energy.
Honestly y’all keep doing this but eventually when enough bodies pile up, I will stop having sympathy for y’all.
while I don’t believe Travis should take all the blame for what happened, he for sure is handling all of this pretty terribly.
He shouldn’t take all, just most.
he was warned by a police chief that it was overcrowded and urged people to come in without tickets. its almost entirely his fault lmfao
@@VYLEMUSIC
Exactly. This could have been avoided if he had canceled the show the minute people started to break in.
not really he's doing good. Besides the apology video he's already said he's giving everyone a refund for the show, he's paying for all the victims funerals and medical expenses, and he set up a free mental health counseling session for people traumatized. But yet all people wanna talk about is the apology video smh
@@cooleojordan honestly I agree. Everybody looks for the bad. What he's actually doing is pretty nice, paying for the funerals
I know Travis Scott doesn’t want to appear guilty but the humane thing to do would be to give a large lump sum to those families. He’ll recover one day. I’m learning that cancel culture is a myth if an artist has a hardcore fan base. There’s always going to be that group of people (unfortunately) who justifies anything their favorite celeb does. I’m not saying that the man should have been bawling but he seemed so detached and as if he just wiped the crust off his eyes. Ugh, at least I would have said “I will no longer encourage unsafe behavior at my concerts” or something. But once again, I guess he doesn’t want to assume any responsibility.
You have to realise if he says something like that he just self admits guilt and could be prosecuted for 8 deaths.
@@Owjo02 he has at LEAST 8 bodies on his hands, and he has a choice to take responsibility for it or not, if he gets backlash for not taking that responsibility (even if it’s for legal reasons) that’s still HIS choice and that shouldn’t dissuade anyone from shitting on him
@@dontpreorder2783 yes just come out and say I killed 8 people even though it’s not really my fault, send me to jail for 8 counts of murder 2 of which are minors. Just so I don’t get backlash, what a genius.
@@Owjo02 1. It definitely was partly his fault, if you don’t understand that then you’re just ignoring facts to shield Travis
2. I never said he killed those people, I said those deaths were on *his hands* (as in he’s responsible for the aftermath of that situation because he could’ve done something about it when it was happening but didn’t)
3. He’d be getting backlash regardless so idk what you’re talking about
MY POINT is that saying “If he admits that he had a part to play in the loss of life then he’d go to jaaaaaaiiiil” doesn’t do anything
I recognize that if he did say that he was partly responsible then he might go to jail, but it’s his fault he’s even in that position in the first place, so I feel no sympathy
Cancel culture has always been somewhat of a myth. All of these celebrities usually bounce back after saying/ doing something questionable. Look at Ellen. all those allegations of racism and ill treatment in the workplace, she got royally "cancelled" on the internet. All she had to do to fix it was hop back on set, say "i'm sorry" and give twitch a promotion and everything was fine.
At the end of the day, Travis will still be making millions off of his current catalogue of music. Give it a few months and UTOPIA will be released, and it will sell at least 150k 1st week cos its Travis Scott. He'll be fine
I think the problem with Travis really just comes down to him being way too desensitized to his fans getting fucked up at his shows because it goes with the whole rager image and thats probably why he saw the ambulance and the passed out people and just kept going. He definitely should be held accountable for that and encouraging his fans to be fucking crazy and just disregard all the rules and everyone telling them to just sneak into the show. It is super irresponsible and he’s finally getting hit with that reality all of that finally reached a breaking point. I think in the moment he probably just thought he could keep the show going and the medics and security would just handle it but in the end they were really overwhelmed. It was a fuckfest everyone involved with setting it all up just did a terrible job
Views them as props, when Shawn showed those pics from earlier concerts of blacked out people it’s sick.
That sums it up
The fact that the names and faces, the situations this people went through are reduced to this man scratching his forehead over a black and white filter, is fucking insane. It's important to know what and WHY happened and knowledge what happened.
Kris Jenner used Travis as a pawn she used a snipper at gun point if he stop she would've off him I read Travis natal chart & Kris Jenner natal chart broooooo she was amped up that night on a spiritual as well she is a evil witch their are wayyyyy more bodies the media lying & Travis was having a Saturn return
@@rsyoutube9252 i don't believe the sniper shit as he was humming his favorite frequency. But the rest, you are correct.
@@xxinnamariana7507 sniper metaphor for Kris Jenner being the one pulling the strings .. How many times she silenced kanye for having breakthroughs sending doctors his way calling him crazy ... Where do u think the bandwagon of calling kanye crazy camed from she cab influence the social media outlets even her Natal chart says that ... She is the sniper that I spoke of , she was definitely at the show ...
@@rsyoutube9252 ik kanye isn't fully crazy, i got reamed on twitter for standing up for him. well travis still had to willingly sell his soul to even get Where he is in the first place, and the previous concerts he has didn't look too loving either. Frequencies can do all types of shit to a mass crowd of people.
@@xxinnamariana7507 comparing two of his past concerts is apart of that Saturn return I honestly don't wanna waste energy on this bye
I’ve listened to his music since birds and I’ve come to admire the guy and really look up to him. Ever since this happened, I kinda don’t look at him the same tbh. I know that he isn’t all at fault, but he should be hold accountable for not canceling the show. I know that he stopped it multiple times, but it come a point where you’ve stop the show so many times that maybe something else is happening. Rest In Peace to people who past away.
he had no idea that people were dying when he was on stage it was 8 out of 50,000
@@jacobelsenbrook1121 Maybe he didn't know that they were dying but he saw at least one of them carried out and the ambulances that must've made him think there was something wrong.
@@rainbowofsushi I get what you mean, but people seem to not realize that ambulances are normal at huge concerts like this, it’s still understandable in some sense that he’d not think it’s something that bad. I doubt anyone would’ve expected deaths at a concert where everyone wanted to have fun.
@@jacobelsenbrook1121 there's videos going around of unconscious bodies being carried to the stage and travis seeing them, ambulances and emts were there, not to mention the fact that just because 8 people died doesn't mean thousands of others weren't injured / passed out lol
@@keyringss totally but at the end of the day travis had no definitive idea of what was happening and I would imagine that he would think someone would notify him if people were dying
RIP to the victims that died & got injured at Astroworld. This festival was a disaster.
being a fan, the only thing i feel is guilt. maybe i’m wrong, but i can’t help but feel like us fans were feeding into it as well. it got to a point where passing out was normal at his shows, and we all got comfortable, travis included. i was personally never that crazy of a “rager”, but i enjoyed the thrill of moshing. after the recent events, it’s hard to feel that way anymore. everything just feels dirty. it feels wrong to listen to his music or wear his merch after how he handled this whole situation. i just hope he takes some time to really think of how to handle it properly. i also hope that everyone involved, including travis himself, get the help they need. i can only imagine the mental toll this is taking on everyone. travis is at fault no doubt, as well as everyone else involved in organizing the festival. it’s unfortunate bc i really don’t feel like he’s that terrible of a person. he’s involved in a quite a bit of charitable causes. it’s just hard to look at that now, knowing that lives were lost over little things that were so easily avoidable. i’m very disappointed in him
Thank you for sharing your feelings.
i agree 💯 & 10%
!!!!!
im sorry you may want to view travis as this good person and im sure he may have some good in him i dont know , but from his actions that not someone who cares about his fans their safety and more importantly their lives. And alot of time when you see celeberties involved in charities alot of is for tax breaks another way to not be taxed or just simply help them stay relevant and sweeten their image. This is why i always say its very toxic how people treat these celeberties as gods and worship them and idolize them . Most of the time they dont care about their fans only see them as profit and whatever they got to do to accumalate that wealth . Its sad and i hope as consumers we hold them accountable and stop supporting them its the only way is to hit then where it hurts in for them its their bank accounts .
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As a fan of both Travis Scotts music and him as a person, this has definitely been an uncomfortable series of realisations.
I think a lot of what prevented Travis from taking the actions recommended here is due to the ego and disconnect which has built his identity and driven his success since the beginning.
I feel like Travis felt himself a leader - he has always been so embedded into the idea of raging at shows and creating the most intense outlet of that.
All around him is proof of this identity, I can imagine he would feel the pressure to constantly need to outdo or live up to the level of ‘rage’ he has channeled in the past.
This is only exacerbated by the overwhelming hype for a post corona event with huge artists and massive crowds.
It is a disappointing fact that the actions people call Travis out for from the past, were instead positively received at the time they happened. People thought it was iconic when Travis told people to rush the stage etc. Obviously in hindsight, and to anyone with crowd management experience, it was irresponsible, but within Travis’s sphere of influences, who would have called him out when people lauded him for being such a ‘rager’.
I feel like Travis had a huge amount of pressure to make this performance the greatest he’s done - with it being performed on the grounds of Astroworld, in his home town, after a huge period of time without huge festivals with some of the biggest artists in the world performing.
I want Travis to be held accountable for how his artist image has culminated in this, that his actions in the past and to this point have been irresponsible and have led to him not understanding the severity of the situation before it was too late. Travis should have managed the crowd better, especially with the ambulances. At the very least I hope that Travis moves away from this persona and makes real effort to heal his community.
The management of this event was horrible at all levels, I pray for the victims of this event and that their families receive all of the support possible.
as a fan i feel exactly this way too 💯
This was so beautifully written and you are very coherent , respectful and aware
This is exactly what I've been feeling but haven't been able to put into words. Well said
couldn’t have said it better as a fan myself
Well said
Travis fan here (who just saw him at Rolling Loud two weeks ago): that "apology" was trash. First, I don't know what he is feeling/experiencing, but I don't think jumping on IG with a FILTER was the best approach at all. 8 people died. The best apologies are concise and straightforward, which his video wasn't. His team is failing him and he is failing us fans. I definitely feel like we are watching his downfall (dramatic, i know). I'm so upset by this whole situation. :(
RIP to those who died.
As a Travis fan, I think his team handled things very poorly and they are not professional enough for these type of situations. They’re responsible of what went down as well as the fans who were being wild and Travis himself. Everything was so poorly managed and should never happen again.
May the victims Rest In Peace 🕊
Glad you were unable to provide an unbiased take as a fan. Saw way too many Stan's on Blackyspeakz's 2nd video about the situation dickriding and acting like he didn't have any responsibility and did his best to insure shit was safe, completely ignoring that he helped incite the shit
I partially agree, the stage crew and other workers surveilling the show definitely should’ve jumped into action, but the way so many witnesses describe makes it difficult to blame someone. The crowd endlessly shifted around like a wave and was crammed in to the point that it became difficult for one’s lungs to expand. I think Travis was somewhat wrapped up in his own performance but should’ve taken some notice to the constant yells for help between songs. But in the crew’s fairness not only would they need to pinpoint certain people in critical condition, but there was no way of reaching them. The only thing to do in the future is to prepare and prevent this from happening again.
@@acecashman1237 it’s not dick riding it’s pointing out the actual flaws of the preparation of Live Nation in their 3RD YEAR of holding this festival and the barricading of the Houston Police who has taken 0 blame it’s calling out the real problem of the event and not using Travis as a scapegoat
@@kaiserroll6223 @Alleviate stop it yall are both speaking too logically about this
🌵He mixes ASTRO & VAMP ❗️🌵🧛🏿♂️
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god bless y’all
As a longtime fan of his music and an attendee of Astroworld, im very disappointed. I couldn’t attend the first 2 years but I was so excited to go this year. It was literally going to be one of the highlights of my year. I loved Travis Scott so I camped out 3 hours early for a good spot for his set like many others. Never did I think I would want to get out so much in my life at my favorite artists concert. There were way too many people and I was blessed to walk away with minor injuries but the entire time I was panicking and thinking to myself “when will it end”. When you admire someone so much for so long, you never think they would put you in danger like that. I think like Shawn said in his video the worst part is his response. Roddy Rich who many of the people I talked to at the festival SKIPPED
to get a good spot for Travis responsed promptly and respectfully and it was not even his show. He just really let me down. As for his music I don’t know if I’ll ever be able to listen again because now it’s like a soundtrack to what happened that night. I hope he’s doing okay, but the situation was just handled terribly in my opinion on his end.
Sorry you had to go through something like that. Hope you have the strength to heal from that. It’s pathetic how people are trying to overlook that he enables this kind of behavior to the point that it scarred people who were true fans at one point
I think the worst part of all of this is how he and Kylie responded. It comes off as if they do not feel in the least bit responsible. Its just disgusting that they care so little about the people that love and adore and literally idolize them.
regardless of the intent, the brand partnering with the mental help services is tone deaf.
Maybe the legality of it all as to why nothing much else has been said. I don't think it'd be a gesture that suggests fault, to have had organized some type of official vigil service by now (Kanye tried but I'd have announced something like this through Travis to at least try to make him look better. These one offs by the other performing artists look like every man for himself off this wreck). He could have showed up to the service, he/Kylie could be at the hospital with victims, he just gave two bare minimum PR statements and let his peers move to make good deeds before him. Maybe things are being done out of the public eye, but I don't want to hear about it via a Netflix documentary that lines their pockets, that's clearly the culture that got us here.
Then Kylie good god. Recorded the ambulances. Screams "look at all the peasants". Just piss poor self awareness.
As for fault, I think most of this is on poor planning: overselling venue + poor staffing, then Travis insighting people to sneak in and increase capacity and rowdiness in general.
Ignoring the show not getting stopped at several red flags, the responses to the whole event have just put a sour taste in my mouth for Travis and Kylie, they just seem like they think so little of other people. Like it's one thing to not know in the moment, it's another to be totally tone deaf to how to respond. Makes me feel like they think their fans are nothing but zeroes and commas in the grand scheme, the kids that make fun of the less fortunate behind closed doors.
Redemption for everyone, but there's a sour taste here, those responses were not it
Its seeing comments like this that gives me hope in ppl really
Thank you for this! Your assessment seems very well thought out and sincere.
Kylie and her damn sisters are having a new reality show on hulu just shows u how the haves can be so fucking egotistical and insensitive. Just like his boyfriend. No wonder why they have no clue how to their actions affect people who blindly follow them as if they'll always view them as peasants.
danish baig's story is heartbreaking. he gave his life to save his fiancee which takes so much courage man, imagine being in the surge and losing the love of your life, losing blood sweat and tears to rescue them, only for you to be separated from them again, eternally. i hope that people don't forget about this in a month like they usually do for big artists because this is such a tragedy
I'd say 60% of the fault is on the concert managers for neglecting security and medical AND for seemingly not shutting it down the moment they heard ppl were dying, and 40% of the fault is on travis for encouraging this behavior (though he did pause the concert for ppl who passed out, he didn't stop to check on the crowd and see exactly what was going down)
gotta agree with you here but i’d also say some blame should go on pockets of the crowd cos i’ve seen videos it was violent as hell and stuff i’ve never seen it at a travis concert usually if u fall u get picked back up straight away and everyone is respectful and nice usually
@@joshking6934 That goes to his 40% of the blame for enabling these kinda lunatic fans to behave like that at his concerts. Idiots rushed in because he encouraged them to and security couldn't stop them bc they were understaffed at fucking ASTROFEST. One of the biggest artists' most notable event. Leaving normal ppl who waited in line to be caught in the crush.
@@velocity4519 and you think travis in person was responsible of hiring staff and sexurity or did someone else do that? Hmmm maybe the organizing company called Live nation? Naaaah prolly not
@@velocity4519 his whole image before this is marketing. People should be able to behave themselves. You cant just back track events to fit into your argument
@@albinskoldberg4802 if Travis is promoting dangerous activity at his concerts and straight up ignoring an AMBULANCE it is 100% his fault. You aren't getting this behaviour at any other concert because of the dangerous image that travis creates around "rager" culture
I don’t care .. Travis has always encouraged this behavior. Venues have capacity limits for a reason. This event shouldn’t have even gone on once the stampeding began.. hell, it shouldn’t have been green-lit knowing there wasn’t enough security and staff for 50,000 people. Proper planning prevents piss poor performance. Hate to see it. RIP to all lost :/
there were enough security but a lot of the security quit on the spot since so many people were breaking into it and they couldn’t do anything to stop them
I saw a video of some security personnel saying they had no background in crowd control or medical assistance.
See as someone that just listens to him every now and then. There’s times where I hear about the stuff he does in the community. Like he had a softball game and also had opened like an education center or something and looked happy. The next day all the Astrofest thing happened and it was crazy. Crazy how much can change from one day to another.
Its the people bro...
Exactly. He’s done nothing but good these past few years, I mean he was on top of the world the entire pandemic while everyone was at their low. Crazy how one thing like this can make people turn on him so quick. It’s like people have been praying for him to slip up. This is their time. Cancel culture is sad asf. No one wants to take accountability.
@@laynetorres583 Are you serious right now? You say it’s just one thing like it’s a small thing, my guy there are eight people dead and countless others injured and otherwise affected if anyone turns on Travis especially after the apology it’s pretty fucking justified. And that’s isn’t cancel culture that’s called having a conscience and following it.
@@oliverm9876 it’s easy to point fingers looking from the outside in. No one knows what he did and didn’t see and no one said this should be taken lightly. I’m just saying for people who are just looking at the videos posted and what’s in front of them they’re so quick to judge and think Travis is the guy behind all of this. What about the organizers of this whole thing? Someone didn’t do their job clearly. But is Travis partly to blame OF COURSE, no one said he wasn’t bud.
Duality bro, these celebrities most of the time come out and do good stuff because their about to or already done very evil stuff
Apologies neverr look legit because it's public. That's how I feel. No matter WHAT someone does, use filters don't use filters, be empathetic don't be empathetic, it doesn't matter. It always look perfomative.
Exactly, people looking for oscar worthy performances from dudes that just make music. Not all grief is captured on camera and it doesn't have to be. You guys are the reason people are so fake these days. I'm not gonna take out a camera to make a statement when I'm actively mourning. I'm surprised he even took time to say something. I'd be shook for weeks, like what the fuck am I doing, only to be slandered for not saying anything. Whatever you do expect to be slandered I guess.
@@MrDreadEnd people really be expecting him to pour out tears, even if he did, they’re still gonna say he’s trying to make people sorry for him lol
Also he can’t really “apologize” per se. that would be an admission of guilt and look horrible if he goes to court. He never said he was sorry and said that he didn’t realize the severity of the situation. Definitely a lawyer or 2 behind the camera
I mean i agree to an extent, but no matter what this apology is trash, like the worst of the worst. Excluding the fact that yes an apology will look partially performative, it IS in fact performative. Adding a black and white filter while doing stereotypical “sad” movements and exclaiming how deeply you care for your fans while you watched plenty of them be trampled in front of you is 100% performative
@@NeverEndingFear The narrative you're spinning might not match up with what he's actually living.
Like you're saying all of this as if he was completely aware of just how severe things became when we don't know.
I understand it's natural, but entangling your perspective with the narrative and parading it as fact is one of the reason why no public apology is ever taken seriously.
8 Flames On Stage, 8 Grammys, 8 People Sacrificed
Thank you. Everyone involved is at fault but these Travis stans are so far gone. This isn’t a Dababy, Boosie or Dave Chappell situation. Fuck people’s feelings! Children died! They want to protect him so bad. It’s disgusting!
Travis fan here and I have to agree. I don't believe he is 100% at fault, but I believe he has handled this situation poorly (as well as his team). It's awful and my heart aches for those that have died/been seriously hurt. Ugh.
for real stans act normal until it's their fave artist
@@Evelyn-pl3we well thank you. Other Travis fans are currently criticizing the hispanic guy who tried to help his friend before she died. He jumped on the camera man podium begging them to stop the show. Calling him weak. Saying it’s his fault his friend died. It’s craziness.
They dont understand that aside from a couple of lawsuits which he'll definitely be able to pay for, nothing will actually happen to him. Those families lost their loved ones for good. There are ppl currently in critical condition as we speak. There are people who wont be able to listen to sicko mode without getting flashbacks of that terrible event.
@@kbreezy1581 right if anything after the smoke clears this incident may even boost his career a lot of people love the whole idea of sacrifices and shit. I personally think it’s bullshit and the promoters and Travis team just didn’t want to pay extra for security and didn’t want to shut down the event after all those people bypassed security. It was negligence not a ritual. SMH RIP to the ones that aren’t here anymore.
I definitely feel guilty listening to his music now. And it sucks, because I have so many of his songs in my playlist.
Same here bro
“Separate the art from the artist” is easier said than done to be honest. Forgetting and separating a tragedy like this while listening to his music is not as easy as it sounds.
Not sure if I can say the same for myself
@@woodchayn not when u realize he’s on some demon shit. His most beautiful songs sound different to me now thinking it’s some dark shi lol.. only good vibrations I’m gon go listen to some Larry June
Me too... When I listen to my playlist and one of his songs come on, I skip them because I just can't help but think of those who passed away - RIP to them:(
There's so much B.S. and this whole situation does make me question the deeper cultural significance of things we take lightly like the messaging in music or following an artist blindly. I will never look at him the same, just being honest.
I was in the center of the pit during the event. I did CPR and helped pull a couple of people out of the crowd. Travis, the organizers, the experts who helped organized the event, etc etc etc all share responsibility for what happened. The whole event was a shitshow from the very beginning. The barricading system was absolutely appalling and most definitely contributed to the surge. Even though I assume Travis didn’t have much to do with the actual logistics of the event aside from design, the festival in his name. It’s his responsibility to ensure that he can provide a festival that’s fun and rage-worthy, but also safe. In terms of his response, no amount of response will be seen as sufficient. He paid for the cost of the victim’s funerals and other fees, partnered with a mental health network to provide services for anyone at the fest, and is supposedly refunding every single ticket sold. Nothing will make up for the lives lost, and if there’s anything to take away from this, it’s that there needs to be more oversight and regulation when it comes to this massive festivals. You cannot control how people act, but you can mitigate the risk but making sure the environment is as safe as possible for everyone to have a great time.
His apology was shitty. But, it was everyone's fault. Not just trav, not just the fans, not just the venue. Everybody. Thas it, this shouldn't be a hard thing or even intelligent take. It's just really obvious.
It should be but unfortunately people are just using Travis as a scapegoat.
@@SolidSnake240 Because at the end of the day he still controls the show. His fans will listen if he had stopped to do a safety check. He encouraged it to get that packed also. There's a clip people use of one of LP's old concert where they stopped the show to command the audience to help someone who had fell. No reason Travis couldn't do the same if he truly cares about his fans so much.
The victims that died are at fault too?
@@phoenix9531 when i say everybody i mean everybody who CAN be at fault. The mfs who crashed down security checkpoints, fences, pushed everyone in the crowd, kelt rushing to the front, not helping or letting paramedics through, etc etc.
Agreed. Venue gets most of the blame, because regardless of the culture Travis built, the awful staffing issues, terrible crowd control setups and such are completely inexcusable, but Travis did deliberately cultivate a fan culture that condones injuries at his concerts and just acting, in general, uncaring to the person next to you.
travis really thought adding a black and white filter would make us forget how stupid his apology was.
*Travis’s Forehead* about to have its own Ted Talk about how it was abused - - the way he gripping it in the apology video 💀
he's hiding his face. i think he feels more inconvenienced and embarrassed he gotta go make an apology than anything else. and i don't need an apology from him because i'm not his biggest fan - but his biggest fans do communicate on those public platforms
"I got em stage diving out the nose bleeds." Travis knows what he's doing, and he encourages it
He didn’t encourage it in this show so it’s irrelevant
@@tempestprime3986 He didn't stop the show and played song after song, so he did encourage the chaos
it definitely feeds his ego the crazier a show gets. i think all performers want that to a degree, but he didn't know where the line was or wasn't mature enough to be a vibe-killer when it was necessary
This is a very good video commentating on the matter. I’ve been really disappointed in certain music UA-camrs and their response to what happened. While it’s not all Travis’s fault, those that are saying he doesn’t deserve any blame are really upsetting. Especially those that are trying to take that side just to get views. Much love Shawn and mad respect!
We definitely not getting the Utopia reaction now
Or a blatantly negative reaction. He will literally take a crap on it.
🗑/10
Its a damn shame, i feel like im watching travis' downfall
As a travis fan I'm pretty disappointed. I get how you want your fans to have fun but dangerous isn't fun, you would think that he hasn't been informed of people getting hurt in past concerts and with his brand bigger than ever right now (plus him giving out extra tickets for an over capacity event is just a money grab without thinking of negative consequences) his apology felt like more of a "I'll do this one selfless act, now leave me alone" couldn't even bother mentioning the actual people who DIED
I agree,he is in the same situation as Kanye was 10 years ago in terms of how he is presented to the public.I hope Utopia is completely different to the normal Travis music and that he can show us he is better than this and can win back the respect that ppl had for him prior to this
@@jaiysonprabaharan7259 he's gotta do more if he wants respect back
@@jaiysonprabaharan7259 oh man definitely not 😳. Mans done some crazy things and said stuff but not encouraging “raging” yikes.
@@jaiysonprabaharan7259 I thought that at first. But Kanye was just an outspoken asshole. Anyone can rebrand that through kindness. Travis got people killed and his response was not proportional to a two way exchange with people that love and care about him. To me this whole thing is nasty because he and Kylie don't care about people the way people care about them. Sickening tbh
As a security officer for live events working his 2019 tour at my arena there were no incidents. It was The countryrock , pop singers and mariachi bands who made my job a headache💢. Security officers and event staff leaders are always being fired after moments like this. With that said I would like to see other event coordinators help Travis compensate the victims rather than jump to protect their wallets by pointing in his direction.🤝🏽
I really have started to like Travis less and less throughout this whole situation; ordinary people with not as much money, fame, etc etc are reacting to this better than he is. Its not all his fault but he is one of many people responsible for all of this and I reallly hope he’s actually doing something for these victims behind the scenes.
He cant speak out properly because he is being sued
i think he is paying for their funerals idk
@@albinskoldberg4802 money is the root of evil
@@kingzekken55 paying for funerals and paying medical costs for all victims plus the free healthcare
@@kingzekken55 oh and also refunding all tickets
Honestly as a longish fan i always got an awkward vibe from him like he doesn’t know how to carry himself like a nervous teenager. I don’t know how his mental health is but this definitely is going to affect him, he should probably handle the situation give money or sum sort of finance support tho those who were lost or injured, then take a little time to recover because the mental strain must be insane on this level of backlash and everyone who is saying he doesn’t care and shit treat him like he’s perfect, he’s human too everyone takes shit differently. I get where some of the hate that he is getting and it truly is horrible what happened. We’ll just have to see where it goes from here. Prayers out to the people lost 🙏🏽
Well fucking said
he went and found an instagram filter before he filmed his apology for the deaths of 8 people and a child
No one is treating him like he should have been omniscient, but it was easily avoidable beforehand and Travis didn’t make the attempts. During the event, he didn’t stop the show after seeing an ambulance in the crowd or at least let them have room to work is also crazy. I get what you’re saying, he can’t know everything and can’t be expected to make the best decision at all times, but this isn’t a simple mistake. People died so he needs full accountability for what he didn’t do to help.
I think this was a bad combo of things that eventually created a horrific event. The organisers were awful. They were understaffed, under supplied and agreed to sell more tickets even when they were at capacity. But they opted with extra money over health and safety.
Travis, while it’s not directly his fault. He’s still to blame. He’s promoted rage culture in a way that is completely unsafe. Rockstars mosh all the time but they are actually sensible with it. I.e if people are getting hurt, it stops etc. Travis is different. He’s encouraged fans to break in, jump barriers, ignore security and jump off balconies. He’s been arrested MULTIPLE times for inciting riots and public endangerment. That’s all fine if you only have 200 people at your show. But when you’re a popstar that has loads of minors as fans, you gotta know when to cut that shit out. It’s common sense. He’s taken rage culture and given it to an audience that really has no experience on how it works. So of course they go way too far.
He had people come up to him and tell him something was wrong and he ignored it. There was a time when the music cut out and you can hear very clearly a whole section screaming for help. He ignored it. He saw a person being resuscitated, he acknowledged it, but then started singing to the body which was so fucking weird. He saw multiple ambulances in the crowd and he ignored it. Either him or his team should have put two and two together and realised something is not right.
That apology was one of the worst apologies ever. It looks like he’s trying so hard to pretend to be upset. Just do a normal formal video. Why try and do the theatrics.
This is a huge point. Does Travis not realize that the majority of his fans are young teenagers? They do whatever he says..
Travis handled this terribly; its been disgusting to see so far. And I think you’re right in saying that he gets off to the idea of his shows being so lit that people get injured. I also think in the heat of the moment his best judgement probably was not with him. If he couldn‘t make the right call someone else should have been able to stop that show. How did it not stop?
People that are full blown defending bruh are not acknowledging him seeing a ambulance driving thru the crowd and him saying shake the ground. You have no idea if someone’s dying right now and you don’t care. That IS HIS FAULT. The entire thing isnt his fault but idk how u can defend that moment. U dont have to make him a villain but people who cape for mfs really will make themselves look foolish for no reason. Be objective kids. It’s a good habit to be objective.
You hella young, Shawn! Thanks for the commentary. RIP to the victims 🕊 🙏🏿
I don't think any apology he could've done would've been "good". Everyone would've had something to say.
Its the weird satanic shit that came with it. Its all over the internet about that concert. People explained how it felt, like they were in straight hell. Looking like some Bohemian Grove type shit.
@@mellymel5883 jesus christ, stop it with the demomic shit. Have people that claims this even listened to his music?
@@mellymel5883 what they felt was dehydration and suffocation. Demons. arent. fucking. real.
@@mellymel5883 stop it. this tragedy isn’t for you to use to further your christian propaganda, your satanic demonic bullshit. get a grip
@@BatsuOhno its people responsible not your dumb fairytales
The “conspiracy theories” saying it was a demonic ritual is extremely disrespectful
I mean yeah but when a artist has so much demonic shìt around them .. what are people supposed to think
@@earthangel90210 what is demonic about his image
@@biguzivertt are u slow ? If u don’t see it then it’s not for me to explain lbs look it up there’s plenty of videos
U like uzi vert so idk why I even expect u to see it lol 😖
@@earthangel90210 Maybe they think normal sane person thoughts? Just for one second.
This shit is so damn heartbreaking 💔🙏🏽
Kris Jenner used Travis as a pawn she used a snipper at gun point if he stop she would've off him I read Travis natal chart & Kris Jenner natal chart broooooo she was amped up that night on a spiritual as well she is a evil witch their are wayyyyy more bodies the media lying & Travis was having a Saturn return
it's so many factors that play into this that it's hard to pick a truly valid standpoint. Travis is no doubt responsible for encouraging this type of behavior at his shows, and overall being very negligent. But The Planners and Organizers should be ashamed of letting him continue on with the prep of the show without hiring proper staff or having proper resources.
I feel Travis didn’t handle the situation well at all but it’s def mainly the organizers. Even with Travis’s rage culture i feel like this could’ve been avoided with proper planning. But idk cause a dude also got paralyzed at one of his shows before. Travis also straight up doesn’t seem to care about the safety of his fans so it’s just all a shit storm
Kris Jenner used Travis as a pawn she used a snipper at gun point if he stop she would've off him I read Travis natal chart & Kris Jenner natal chart broooooo she was amped up that night on a spiritual as well she is a evil witch their are wayyyyy more bodies the media lying & Travis was having a Saturn return
@@rsyoutube9252 You are talking nonsense
@@user-lj2gx2bh8p if innerstand the spiritual meaning then u will know. the spirit is electrical the soul is magnetic
I expected more from his response. You can’t just be like “man this is a bummer. Thoughts and prayers though.”. Not asking him to cry or anything, just show some more respect and seriousness the situation deserves. Even if you don’t think it’s your fault, it happened at your show. He was so slow to piece together the severity of the situation even afterwards he just didn’t seem to get it.
Even though the apology was fake, how did y’all not know he was a psychopath. He legitimately kicked a cameraman off the stage because he didn’t like the angle of his picture. Days Before The Rodeo was nothing but evil trap hymns. I fell in love with Rodeo because it represented a very dark period of my life and Travis’s use of the “wild west” theme captures my experience in the south. I’ve always know he was crazy so this is kind of expected. He’s basically a gothic Kanye
First off i want to say rest in peace to the ones lost at the festival. Praying for everyone in the hospital and those traumatized by the event. It’s so hard to even think about what they went through. I would say i’ve been a fan of travis since a little bit after rodeo came out. Probably partly because I live in houston and Travis reps where he is from heavily. I attended the first 2 astroworld festivals and had a pretty good time. There was definitely plenty of times things got too crazy though. My friend group who likes concerts and such, decided not to go to this astroworld because the price was almost double than the previous years. I feel extremely lucky that we didn’t end up going. Regarding my stance on Travis now, i haven’t listened to a travis song since the news, and anytime i see my travis merch i get a bad feeling, and just feel sadness for the people, when he could have just stopped the show. Once he saw the one guy passed out, things should have slowed down dramatically, and then the ambulance... if there is an ambulance somebody’s life is on the line. How is that not worth stopping your performance for? Am i fan anymore? no. I believe i interpreted him wrong this whole time, and i just feel dumb in a way. Once more, rest in peace❤️
well said
9 year old Ezra's dad, Treston Blount, was a Travis Scott STAN. He has a Astroworld tattoo sleeve and always posted about him on his FB. I can't imagine looking down at your arm and seeing the place your son was hurt so badly at😔
Honestly I feel like Trav on an emotional and moral level is still mentally in high school. Like this man is reckless, careless, doesn't understand the gravity of the situation nor does he understand the consequences of his action. On top of that this man is just dissociated and doesn't even know how to humanely respond to something like this. People are gonna think he's some psychopath or something but for me, this man is just a teenage adrenaline junkie.
seems illiterate too
Not at all. He cares and he knows exactly how to control the crowds. Smh y'all need to research wtf y'all are listening to.
What Pewdiepie said about this stuck with me. The organizers knew there was chaos but if hey stopped the show they would've had to return the money, and Travis liked to see people going crazy for him.
At the end of the night, it turned out into a horrible tragedy bc of greed and ego and nobody got what they wanted.
I still love his music because, even though he is my favorite artist, I was never particulary interested in him as a person. He was always socially awkward so this kind of response to the tragedy doesn't suprise me, but no matter what he does, it won't bring people back. He is responsabile for what happened but I think the organizers are mostly to blame.
Yea you’re right, Travis Scott should’ve stopped the shows but the dumbest thing is that he encouraged his fans to do something so crazy
@@emaaadsheikh8448 yup! He gets a gratification from people acting batshit crazy so it didn’t register in his mind that something is terribly wrong
@@taylorwaylor8965 EXACTLY! That’s what I’m saying
I’m the same, I have an app that tracks my plays and it lists Travis as my 2nd most listen to artists with 10k+ plays yet I don’t care for him as a person at all. Same with Kanye and the crazy shit he do too. Listening to him now feels a little odd though. I think I will take a break.
@@brxyann I actualy like Kanye as a person. I don't agree with most stuff he says but I find him very captivating
This whole situation has diminished some of the admiration for travis like it just shows how he only cares about his rage aesthetic and how he doesn’t rly care for the people involved
As a huge fan of Travis, I at least expected him to take responsibility of what had happened. Man’s just in denial of it like he’s some 14 year old kid. Nothing’s going to bring those people back but at least he could show some sort of respect and accountability, rather than giving a free trial of better help. Idk about his music anymore tbh, listening to it just feels more disrespectful to those who have passed away :(
I'm curious if people want him to say he killed those people
His music still slaps. It’s just sad that he encourages his fans to do such fuckeries.
Rest in peace to the people who have died at the Travis Scott concert in Houston Texas😩🤌🏻💖🙏
🤌🏼🤌🏼🤌🏼
Yes
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I still don’t get how Meami doesn’t see Travis at fault. It’s so saddening.
who gives a shit about him, i swear the dude always thinks his opinion matters more than others
dude supports NFTs. he basically values money over the earth. not surprising that that’s the type of person he is honestly
I dont think that he viewed that situation with all the nuance needed to give a thoughtful response on the tragedy. Its quite obvious that while everyone involved shares a bit of the blame of the tragedy that had occured, travis and Livenation are the biggest villains of the story. The way travis perpetuates rage culture is such an issue.
@@kbreezy1581 i fully agree with you. I think Meami’s respond was rushed and fueled by his emotions.
also in the clip where it sounds like he’s saying “who told me to stop” “who told me to stop” he’s actually saying “put 2 hands up in the sky”. listen and you’ll see
Facts nigga didn’t do his research fully…seen a video on tik tok and ran off with it instead of watching the full performance
His audience doesnt care, yall go look on social media they think none of what happened is fault. His streams have gone up since the tragedy, theres no way someone can swim through a crowd injecting people with needles when other people couldn't even get through the crowd..
Clearly they tossed the needle in the air passing it for mass injections. Prick someone and pass it to Pedro 20 yards away /s
They are gonna come on here and start talking about cancel culture as if, a bunch of people with 2 followers on twitter saying some shit actually affects the trajectory of these musician's careers.
Really awesome that you told who the victims are. Class act.
I was a fan of him because some of his songs slap, and when he opened for Kendick Lamar's DAMN concert when I was 18/19 I thought it was cool. I thought it was cool when he got on a bird mechanism above the audience, not afraid to fall. I thought it was cool when he had us stand on the seats, disobeying security warnings. Some stayed standing the whole time during this concert.
Mind you, I was 18-19 years old. Now I'm 23 and seeing this situation. All I can think is "It definitely was leading up to this". Travis runs his shows and brand on rebellion, borderline anarchy if you think about it. Disobeying authority as if he gives us permission to (he tells people this) because he's the one with the money and fame. When you're an adolescent, you don't think about the potential dangers. But those in their mid twenties and thirties knew better, and definitely shouldn't have encouraged it either.
I can't ignore the fact that Travis encourages this behavior too, because I've witnessed it first-hand. He should've stopped the show, and his apology felt like an inconvenience to him. I can't listen to his music anymore without thinking of the people who died.
His incessant perpetuation of rage culture has always been somewhat of a red flag. He takes the type of behaviour and brand of rebellion which is usually somewhat okay for a crowd of couple hundred adults, and presents it to thousands of minors who have no regard for even their own safety at times. They're kids, why would they, they think their invincible. That is ultimately the most dangerous thing about travis and the way he carries out his concerts. He is a mainstream artist with thousands of young fans at his concert. He isnt some underground rapper performing in a rager in some backroom. He needs to understand that.
Everyone: can’t believe Travis hasn’t apologized
Travis: *Apologizes*
Everyone: I don’t like how he apologized
Make it make sense
After watching OBSERVE’s video on Scott’s apology, I’ll say this: when a bunch of people DIE at this guy’s music festival, you’d THINK it’d prompt more of an emotional and active response rather than sounding like he just got woken up and is shaking the last bits of sleep off. While it does sound like he was on something, the graveness and horror of the situation should prompt more a response than what he gave.
I mean, these were his FANS who died. Like people who took time out of their day to see HIM live! You’d think he’d be more devastated.
I get What your saying. Although we do need to understand that some people react differently to serious situations. Some people can’t translate their true inner emotions physically. Believe it or not But some people laugh in serious scenarios where it would be considered rude like funerals. Idk. But i myself think the video of him could indeed have been better, it’s just not so black or white y’know
@@ezy002 Highly agree with this response. We never know exactly what Travis is thinking here. And a real apology i.e. taking responsibility is not a good move for him legally when there are other larger parties who are also responsible for this tragedy. In my opinion it did look like Travis was truly distraught but idk, like I said, only he knows what he's thinking. None of us are body language experts. Additionally, we don't know what he's doing behind the scenes. We can't judge him based on a 1m30s video addressing the situation.
At the end of the day, any kind of acknowledgement from travis, or lack thereof, would prompt criticism.
I do understand what you mean it honestly doesn’t look that great if you scrutinize it but to contextualize I’ve always known Travis’s interviews and public speaking to be very awkward and disjointed so I interpreted it as his way of expressing how he felt while still unsure of what the right and wrong thing is to say. Personally I’m someone who overthinks a lot and I’ve been called nonchalant about serious situations that I’ve cared deeply about so it does frustrate me to see people judge something as subjective as basic human expression of emotion based on how this stranger spoke in this video.
@@MuscularMontel For sure my Guy! It’s easy to jump to conclusions. We can only guess so much. It would have been a different story if what he said was something else compared to the clip. We know his intentions are good. It’s more of a lack of expression i guess. There’s a lot to delve into regarding this situation. We know there are other important factors of this aftermath to bring up!
Rip to lives lost🖤. I wish this never happened
Not defending him here cause I do think he had some responsibility. but if you've followed travis for a long time and seen him on video/interviews, you would know he can sometimes act very shy/weird in front of cameras. So the apology video didnt really phase me that he was rubbing his forehead or whatever.
As a fan of Travis Scott, who has previously been to a concert of his during the Astroworld Tour, I think people are giving him too much shit as if he’s to be held responsible for all this when like you said there’s plenty of people who hold some of the responsibility as well. I do think there are valid points you made, and while I can see why you would feel how you feel, I really think people are misjudging a lot here. For example, the apology video came across as genuine to me, and I didn’t think anything of it at the time until I saw the conversation online. Travis is the type of person to upload a lot of random content quite often to his instagram story, especially of him talking to address his fanbase. It wasn’t weird how he was talking, or what he was saying necessarily, (there are a couple things to point out) He uploaded the video sometime the day after, and we had seen reports throughout the night of the concert and through the day after (before the apology) about the police investigation. Travis went out to that one afterparty, but I’m sure he was still very busy after finding out the severity of the situation just dealing with all sorts of things (and he said he had been working with Houston PD and the fire department, etc), so I don’t think the apology video was ever meant to be an “apology video” I saw it as more of an update on the situation as well as just a way of him addressing the situation. Plus I don’t think people should judge apology videos to determine how the person is actually feeling or what they’re going through cause that seems insensitive as we don’t really know those things for sure. I’m sure he’s devastated too, and I’m not trying to say that he doesn’t hold responsibility for this because he definitely is partially responsible, but I don’t think people are showing enough empathy and putting themselves in his shoes..Despite the mistakes he may have made, like potentially inciting some reckless behavior, it’s not like people at his concerts don’t enjoy the mosh pits or seek to take part in them, and I still think he really tries his best to provide help and while we can sit back and judge the lack of action we wanted to see during the concert, I don’t know if we should be pointing fingers at him without being understanding of the fact that we don’t know if someone communicated to him that things were fine while he was on stage, or he didn’t notice because he was really caught up in performing, or was thinking about other shit while looking around the crowd. We also know for a fact that there were plenty of people who didn’t know people had been hurt, much less killed based on many testimonies from people at the concert. we’re all people, I don’t think just because travis holds more responsibility than a lot at the event that we should disregard his perspective too. I do think whoever is to blame will be held accountable for their mistakes (including Travis and live nation), I think for now we should focus on providing the people that were hurt or the families that are suffering from the loss of a loved one with support and however else we can. I think a lot of the blame resides with concert culture, like accepting that injuries are likely to happen and accepting reckless behavior at concerts. I think this situation is far more complex than people are allowing themselves to see.
I thought Travis was held at gun point with a script 😂 it was so generic. 😭rip to the people that died man
i bet he didn't wanna do it but his people kept pressuring him like: you gotta speak, man. you gotta say something. the fans deserve info
then trav was begrudgingly like: fine! this embarrassing for me. but lemme just do this corny ass shit real quick!
@@360.Tapestry Fr tho
Honestly I’m a Travis Scott fan and I can’t listen to him the same anymore like I was listening to one of the songs that he was playing at the concert and all I heard while listening to the music was this video of this girl being dropped on a stretcher..and it’s just like I can’t get it out of my head it’s like it sucks I don’t know..I can’t listen to him without seeing this in my head it just hurts you yk I don’t think I’ll listen to him again.
I 100 percent agree with your point of view. 30 minutes in a show and you are advised to stop due to people being hurt, you need to stop. Even when you see an ambulance going through a crowd to try to save lives and you don’t help the people the care you need is just pure awful to me, on a personal level. No matter who it is, no one deserves to die, especially at a an event that is an everyday event for people. These 8 people did not know they would die to this show, they all bought the tickets in order to have fun, not to be punched pushed or killed by the person beside them without any action coming from the person who is control of the crowd and there health at this event
He literally said "what the fuck is that" when the ambulance pulled up. Some of yall only want to see things one way and its showing. Y'all expecting TRAVIS SCOTT to come out like Obama after his drones hit a kill spree. Bro is not a diplomat. Why do yall expect pr excellence from dudes like dababy, travis and kanye west. Stop being high, these are entertainers. Travis fucked up, the rage had a consequence that should have been predictable and prevented but flaws in the venue exacerbated the risk and led to these deaths. If no one died none of you would question Travis' ability to apologize. Such a stupid thing to ponder. Him apologizing will not resurrect anyone and won't prove anything. Bunch of dramatic individuals in the comments really expected travis to come out in tears saying "I killed those people". Talking bout "I need to rethink his music," you need to rethink riotous behavior, you need to rethink how safe a concert actually is, you need to rethink your damn priorities because if you think this is the last concert death history appears to say otherwise.
as a fan of Travis music since 2015, I can’t look at him the same after this honestly. I thought he genuinely cared about his fans but after this it seems like it’s the complete opposite. lost all my respect i had for him.
As a Travis scott “fan” and attendee of the event i was extremely disappointed in him but i also want people to give just as much attention to Houston pd as travis because if you were there they did not do their job at all….extreme negligence from them until sh*t hit the fan and it was already too late
5:24 "he seems so dissociated and disconnected [from the events that transpired]" as a travis scott fan since 2014, i feel like that's how he's always been, with anything. (not defending him whatsoever).
but like, besides his on stage persona of trying to get the crowd as hyped as possible, he has never really felt like a person..idk he seems incapable of showing emotion and just seems disconnected from normal human behavior, like a robot, do any other travis fans agree there?
can you imagine him showing affection, getting scared, laughing uncontrollably, anything of the sort? i don't even know how to guess what his personality could even be like, compared to any other artist with his level of fame.
Rip to those lost 🙏 but I don’t think Travis was legally able to take responsibility or even say sorry cause it would imply its his fault. His apology was probably the extent to how much he could say.
Damn I didn’t even think about this. Good point
Not a good point, he acted like a total idiot and his response would not give anyone who was harmed any comfort.
@@Jackson-df3rv I’m not saying the apology was good or justified but he is right that if Trav directly apologized he’s holding himself accountable and in fault for the deaths. Prosecutors could argue that he himself is admitting to being at fault which would hurt his case
@@akrylicsound exactly
If I would’ve been at that concert I don’t I’d be able to listen to Travis music again. It’s just bring back flashbacks every time his music comes on tbh…even now that I wasn’t even there it just doesn’t feel right to be turning up to his music. I know sicko won’t be the same for a lot of people and Travis might not be able to perform for years to come. I am sure music show will change after this tragedy. Rest In Peace to all the people that passed 🙏🏾
great video shawn!
I'm not a Travis fan by any means but I'm from Houston. I see this as a mistake and a lesson. who really wants to hurt their fans? The crowds in houston have been wild and this isnt new. Playboi Carti came and they shut it down before he could perform. So who's really stopping the massive income generator for Houston? HPD? Plus he's done much more for the city than Meg and Beyonce and united the culture. This is not to takeaway from the deaths of the people. RIP fr, but like I feel the man actually cares for his fans and will do whats right. Fam just opened up a new design school in HTX like bro aint gotta help, but houston still needs him.
That’s what people fail to realize bro it truly breaking my heart that his fans really turning they backs on him after everything he’s done for them & the city……….fucking bittersweet ass fans
@@Romeyjackson everybody just jumping on sayin he's like satan himself 🤦♂️
Hey Shawn Cee. Could you make a video predicting the 2022 grammy nominations rap catergories i.e. best rap performance, best melodic rap performance, best rap song and best rap album? Keep the amazing videos. I'm a huge fan :)
🤨Tbh, I don't get what people were expecting from Travis when he did that apology. Since when has Travis ever been well-spoken and not awkward?
💀had a seizure tryna read that first sentence
@@das_trp I edited it.
And the fact that people are expecting him to admit guilt when he is literally piled on with lawsuits
He is indeed super awkward, always hiding his face etc but stilll I can't believe he didnt show more emotions like without you these people are alive. It's not all his fault but thats so weird
@@Motm1777 Yeah for sure but i’ll never take it upon myself to tell people how to show emotion besides what they say. i’ll leave that to “body language experts” and twitter
That Gofundme should be paid for complety by Livenation, Travis, and Kylie since she is a billionaire. This would NOT put a dent in any of their wallets But, if they cared about others and not money this concert would have been better equipped and handled.
I wasn’t really a big fan of Travis he is just of those artist I tune into. I went to the fest to see what the hype was about. I drove 9 hours for the trip down to Houston with three other friends by the way this was my first concert. I knew stuff was off once I saw the merch line but I wasn’t thinking too much of it. As time went on I kept on trying to have fun with my friends I did have some but then we left sza 30 min early to get good seats for the performance. We were in the middle of the crowd. Once the first song hit every one rushed to the front to get good spots I thought it was normal so I started jumping and yelling until the second song started and every one kept on rushing from every where. I had people yelling at me about how they couldn’t breath. I couldn’t either I had to jump as high as I could in the crowd to get a relieve of cold air. I had a water bottle with little water in it. I never knew how selfish people were because when I was trying to escape the middle and help others I was getting yelled at and people were just calling me names or just not letting me move out. Later on I got separated from my friends. I rushed the crowd to the back for safety. I had fun but the part that got is that i didn’t know I was having fun while people were fighting for their lives until after. A part that got to me was when he was playing 90210 and there was an ambulance on the field I kept on saying that he was going to stop the song and he didn’t I stood there in just confusion and mixed emotions. That’s where I felt that I lost some respect for him. After the show I stood up the rest of that night just reading about the news. I’ve had nightmares every now and then about that night. My friends and I are okay but we left Houston traumatized and once I got home every day I get asked about what went down that night. I have feeling of survivors guilt occasionally. Songs like the “Escape plan and highest in the room” are the ones I can’t listen to throughly because those were the ones everything went to shit.
I'm so sorry.. it wasn't your fault
Kris Jenner used Travis as a pawn she used a snipper at gun point if he stop she would've off him I read Travis natal chart & Kris Jenner natal chart broooooo she was amped up that night on a spiritual as well she is a evil witch their are wayyyyy more bodies the media lying & Travis was having a Saturn return its 666 bodies
What got me is he put a filter on a live apology. Just write a sincere letter or take the time to make a video apology worthy of their lives
I think it's insane to see and as a father myself, Hearing about the children really struck me. They went to see their idol and never got to see adulthood.
There is a lot behind it, It isn't solely on Travis, however there was much that could've happened to stop this tradgedy.
If Travis Scott Reads this, Just know an ex fan now smokes Travis "scoot" pack. Won't catch me listening to him
Travis was giving more love to his forehead.
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I think the travesty that was that concert was very unfortunate for everyone involved. With insight on being on the floor and in mosh pits at his Astroworld concert, I will definitely say that it's a dangerous zone to be in when things get rowdy. I think the blame goes to everyone involved. I will give Travis Scott the benefit of the doubt that things were lost in translation. He's used to people climbing everything and everywhere raging. He's used to people raging uncontrollably to his music. So the instances where people were trying to tell him or his security about what's going on and he's not doing anything about it, I will say he probably wasn't aware of the situation.
I do think he should take accountability for allowing a surplus of people to storm the area when the area was past capacity. That's an ignorant gesture that added to the problem. I also believe that people in the crowd should share the blame for how they acted, too. They raged on ambulances, stopped paramedics from getting to their destination, and deterred other concerned individuals from interrupting the show. The festival atmosphere is very dangerous and carries high risk especially for a Travis Scott concert. Personally, this is why I stay away from music festivals because once someone goes down, they will never be able to get up when the stampede starts moving and this was the case for the unfortunate lives that were lost in that event.
His apology video came off as disingenuous. The body language in the video didn't appear sincere. Could he be emotionally numb? Possibly. Whatever the case, after reviewing that video, he could have decided to not post the video and stick to a written statement. His apology didn't help his case on the criticism that he's getting. I appreciate that he's refunding all of the tickets from the event, cooperated with the authorities, and cancelled his Las Vegas event. For the many that were injured, I do think part of taking accountability, he could cover all of their medical fees. For the lives that were lost, there isn't a price that could cover losing a life.
i’m a huge travis fan. he’s too 3 inspirations and it shows throughout my music. this tragedy has given me some much needed insight into his character and fan base however. i’ve been trying to do as much research as possible to make informed decisions but it kind of hurts to hear some of the things he’s allowed to happen at his shows. i recently deleted his catalogue off my phone. idk how to feel tbh
I think there’s two ways that Travis’s career goes from here. He never releases either to jail time or negative public reception. Or he does a mbdtf type move where he changes his musical sound and makes something crazy. Ofc he could just keep raging, but he’ll end up in the same boat as Chris Brown
I only just started listening to Travis Scott, then this happened, now I’ve been totally put off his music after seeing this. He has a responsibility and he needs to own to what he has done wrong. I don’t understand why he didn’t entirely stop the show. He had the best vantage point to see the entire crowd and should recognise whether or not the crowd are enjoying your music or calling to stop everything because people are dying. Travis “Bystander” Scott.
Man…this tragedy seems to have deeply affected Travis Scott’s core fanbase. Plus it’s Global. Over 50k of his core fans experienced this event. With all this negative energy dividing his fans; will he survive this or will people just forget about it a month from now?
whatever happens, the lawsuits won't be nice for him
Considering the age and character of the majority of his fans, he'll sadly bounce back.
@@jenb8299 agreed, all it takes is a new song or album annnnnnnnd we’re to our regularly fucked up scheduled program. 😒
@@gemgirl2000 Exactly!!
How he moves now gonna be crucial from now on
HIs apology video felt too much like an act to be taken seriously. I want to see him read the victims names with pictures attached in order to see if he truly is a garbage human being.
It came out Travis went to a party after the concert. Was he really that unaware 😬 at least he ended up leaving but shit man 🤦♂️
"When someone told Travis at Dave & Buster’s about the tragedy, he immediately left the party," the sources said.”
-nbc article (UA-cam deletes my link)
I can’t even listen to his music anymore without thinking about what happened. I heard people say they think he’s an ass but I never understood that until this event.